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Why does he insist on tinkering with these movies every few years? Nobody wants it! Nobody likes it! I know he owns these movies and can do whatever he wants to them, but the public has spoken and the vast majority just want the man to leave it alone. You can't mess with people's memories. I think George Lucas was once the most creative mind in Hollywood, but as a "Star Wars" fan, I truely believe if it 'aint broke, don't fix it! There is a fine line between genius and insanity!

I blame Close Encounters of the Third Kind: The Special Edition

Honestly the only changes that has really bugged me for the longest time is the Force ghosts, and greedo shooting first or at the same time whatever, but this Darth Vader saying no thing is just awful and completely destroys the emotions behind the scene.

I was really excited about this blu-ray, but i'm seriously considering sticking with my vhs tapes.

OK, I'm in the dark here . . . what does Vader say "No" to?

I second that confusion.

John

About Greedo it seems it is not Lucas fault. He had to change the scene for avoid a PG-13 rating by the MPAA. Here is the proof (http://www.geekologie.com/2008/05/29/han-shot-first.jpg).

But what is the story about Darth Vader and the `no things'? Are you talking about ep. 3? (It is the only time we got Darth Vader saying `nooo', right?)

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!  [Get it?]

The 'no' apparently is when he tosses the emperor down the shaft.  In the original he was silent, this time it's more in keeping with his whiny Anakin roots I suppose...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27RVJJfny4I&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_867594

I saw this horror the other day.  Glad I've still got my VHS copies.

Also, listen to Obi Wan's new howl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0EUjobdavw

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The beauty of the original scene is Vader's silence.  You know he's torn apart inside at seeing his son zapped to hell but doesn't vocalize it.  That makes his action of chucking the Emporer down the shaft all the more emotional. Especially for those who have never seen it.  Why George...why...

Hmmmm I may be ok with this one.  The original kind of confused me of how a human could make that howl.  This one seems more like it should be.

My understanding of the new Special Edition was that they were making the original theatrical versions available on DVD and Blu-Ray. Please don't tell me that the "original theatrical versions" is BS and there are actually changes to them. Please don't tell me that. I was so looking forward to having the original theatrical releases on disc.

Absolutely. Vader is moved to action. He doesn't waste any time expressing himself or mulling his decision over for a second or two. In spite of his mask, we can see his inner conflict as Luke gets barbecued. We know what he has to do. His good side wins out, he makes his choice, and he ACTS. He acts suddenly, silently and decisively. Why would even crazy George Lucas think that needed changing?

GL is a f**king a***ole.

Sorry, somebody has to say it. He has officially destroyed any "genius" tag he once wore. Shame on him.

yeah and every few years I have to listen to the whining about George's tampering with his own art and how he's being a money grubber  with all the merchandising.

The money from the merchandise let's him make what he wants without studio input.

Get over it, and the fans have not spoken on this.  This is a strictly a fanboy issue and the general public probably doesn't notice that any thing has changed.

Sure, he can do whatever he wants. No argument. He's still and a***ole.

Lucas flip-flops more than Clinton.
Won't be long before a sequel to E.T. is in the works.

I heard the Ewoks can blink now on blu-ray

NO! No! Never! Please for the love of all things good DON'T let him direct ANYTHING ELSE! No more!

(http://nerdbastards.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/George-Lucas1.jpg)

I'd honestly rather have him direct something new instead of messing up his good movies.

Well, if you really want to stop the madness stop buying crap. It is the only way. If people keeps buying what ever Lucas does, he will continue and there is actually no madness in that.

Looked at the picture and do not get it.  Who is the lady?

Later,

John

I have not seen the newer version in a while will have to check that out.  If this video is correct, WTH?

Later,

John

I do not like this version.  I remember Darth Vader just looking at his son and the dark lord and then eventually picking up the dark lord and throwing him into the reactor.

Wow that actually sucked.

Later,

John

Side note on Vader's Emperor chuck down the shaft.  I remember my brother talking about this after seeing this in the theater. He said the theater was on edge waiting to see what Vader would do.  Then the minute he picked up Palpatine the whole theater cheered and stood up clapping.  There is no way it would happen with the "NO" in there for new audiences.

Come on Later John, don't you see the `Han shot first t-shirt' that Lucas is wearing?

I don't mind that he continually messes with his films, but the fact that we can't get a nice new release of the original theatrical cuts is annoying.  They still exist on VHS and DVD (non-anamorphic laserdisc transfers), but no effort has been made to give us decent new transfers of them.  Perhaps the original film elements aren't pristine these days, but I'd be happy with a copy of a print that's been cleaned up a little, not necessarily completely restored.  A few scratches and speckles don't bother me one bit.

I'm not a huge fan of Star Wars.  I'm a slightly bigger fan of the prequels, surprisingly, than the originals.

I'm fine if the Ewok's blink.  But the Vader yelling "No" does kinda irritate me.  The scene was fine the way it was.

But hell, he's a billionaire or some such and all the fanboys are still gonna buy the toys and t-shirts so, eh.

This is correct.  They do blink now.

I don't mind Lucas adding a bit of extra polish to his movies, or even fixing effects he couldn't originally do the way he wanted. Blinking Ewoks strike me as a bit nitpicky, but it is a small thing that probably does enhance the scenes in a subtle way. It's the changes that mess up the storytelling that bother me. Darth Vader saying "No" makes that scene less dramatic than when he just silently took action. At the very least, it doesn't improve anything, and seems completely unnecessary. Same with Han shooting in self defense, as opposed to shooting first. It changes the character, makes him less of a scumbag at the beginning, and thus diminishes his heroic turn later on. Lucas is fixing things that I think worked better as they were.

Oh, the shirt.  Now I get it.

John

Sheesh, what's he gonna do next? Replace the stormtrooper blasters with walkie talkies?

As far as this being a "fanboy issue" NO SH*T! I'M SORRY, BUT I THOUGHT THIS WAS A SITE WHERE YOU WERE WELCOME TO COMPLAIN ABOUT MOVIES! I don't understand why people click on a topic (let alone post a comment) if they don't want to listen to the complaining.

I don't like any changes, but what you say makes sense.

I will add the theatrical versions did get a DVD release as a bonus disc in the one release.  This is the version I have.  Unfortunately, they're simply the same transfers as the final THX LaserDisc releases and are non-anamorphic, so if you have a good quality LaserDisc player and the original THX LDs, you'd actually get a better picture (you always lose quality when transferring to an analog source).  Still, the quality is still what I'd call "pretty good", just disappointing that "pretty good" is all I can get of an original cut of one of the most popular films of all time. 

I really don't understand it, personally - this is obviously not a money grab, as many people say, as it's fairly obvious Lucas could release the original theatrical cuts on a super duper special edition and charge a lot more for it, and they would sell very well.  The only conclusion one can reach is he genuinely believes he is improving the films - though why he doesn't want extra money and the ability to please his fans more is still baffling to me.

Lucas kind of reminds me of those people you hear about who are addicted to plastic surgery. They keep tampering with their looks because for some deeper reason they are never satisfied with their appearance. Eventually they look completely messed up, but they don't notice because the issue is all in their minds. I think the guy is trying to relive his past glory.

Probably the best analogy there is.

Maybe he needs someone to rein him in. All the movies he made earlier in his career had tighter budgets, as well as producers and execs advising him. Because he didn't have the money or the freedom he has now, he had to make every dollar and every inch of film count. 

The reason the changes bother me slightly, though, is not because of "art" or anything, but rather the fact that every time he does this the movies go on sale at full price just because of something as minor as Ewoks blinking.

Just don't buy it this time people. Everyone complains and then they go and buy it.

Trust me on this, I won't be buying these. I still watch my old VHS of "Return of the Jedi" so I don't have to look at the ghost of Hayden Christiansen (I don't care how he spells his name either, so I won't even bother with Spell Check!) instead of the original actor. The other stuff on the special editions didn't bother me, but that one just made me sick. It's the fact that George Lucas is tweeking them, yet again that bugs me. Why bother at this point? It's like he really is becoming the "South Park" version of himself.

I was going to buy the Blu Ray versions as I don't own this classic series. Oh well, guess I'll just acqures the normal version of each DVD.

See, that there is my predicament. I want to buy the original trilogy, but I'd prefer to get the cut (or as close as possible) I saw when I was a kid. I'm finally able to afford a box set of the first three, but what I'm buying may not be what I want.

Consider that if you have not seen the movies for a long time, you might not remember exactly what they were like when you were a kid.  A slightly updated version might pass, for all intents and purposes.  But this 'Nooooooooo' cr@p has got to stop.

There were versions that came out a few years ago that had the original theatrical versions as a bonus disc, I was thinking of buying the "Return of the Jedi" one, but seeing as how I only watch the movie about once a year, I figured it was a waste of money. I like all the special features and making of docs, but I don't think I'll buy the same movie over and over again (unless it's damaged or as a VHS replacement). Most of the DVD's I find at a good price are ones that are about to be re-released. I got "Predator" about a month before it was re-released with all the special features. Good movie but I'm not going to buy it twice.

Harrison Ford had better watch his a$$.  :teddyr:

I personally will eventaully be getting the original triology DVD version that was released prior to Hayden Chrsitainsen being a ghost at the end up Return of the Jedi, can't remember when that was released.

The original cuts were released on the "limited edition" sets. The original cuts are just laser disc rips so they aren't of the greatest quality but that's the best transfer available so far. 

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Two-Disc-Widescreen-Theatrical/dp/B000FQJAIW/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1316195053&sr=8-9

Just wait until he releases them to theaters again . . . in 3-D.

I don't think I mind Lucas releasing a modified version of his movies as much as I get annoyed that he keeps doing it again and again. I had no problem with the remastered version released to theatres in the 90s, that had a few changes and enhancements. But how many cuts have there been since then, and how much has the story been altered, and how many of the changes have been dumb and unnecessary?

Not sure, too much, and all of them.

Iv'e said this before, but the only really well done special edition is Empire Strikes Back. The stuff it changes isn't dumb, nor does it change the story. New Hope and Return of the Jedi on the other hand....

I did like the stuff he did with the wampa and cloud city. The Han stepping on Jabba's tail thing kind of blew, but I can live with it.