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Title: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: skuts on September 11, 2011, 08:47:53 PM
Usually when speaking about bad movies, we think about classics like Manos or Plan Nine. But what about the other kind of bad movies, the kind that are actually spiritually, emotionally or psychically harmful? These are the kinds of movies that would probably play on the Videodrome Channel. Some are outright sadistic and cruel and make no effort to hide what they are, like Make Them Die Slowly but the more insidious ones may disguise themselves as "message" films, pretending to have some alleged deeper purpose like the vicious animal snuff porn distributed by certain "animal rights" groups.
Here's a few titles that I've had the misfortune to have seen.
Salo: 120 Days of Sodom
Funny Games (original, I didn't see the remake)
Last House on the Left (original)
Maniac (Spinell's version)
Hostel 1 & 2
The Devils Rejects
I Spit on Your Grave (original)
Irreversible

Maybe I'm a p***y, but these movies left me physically ill after watching them.


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: bob on September 11, 2011, 10:13:00 PM
A Serbain Film
Saw 3d -- I enjoyed the Saw series but this one is horse manure  :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred:


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: InformationGeek on September 11, 2011, 10:46:08 PM
Human Centitpede
Porno Holocaust
Most of the later Saw films
 and Standing Ovation (That's a whole another kind of sadism though)


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: Archivist on September 12, 2011, 03:46:19 AM
These movies are on my 'avoid at all costs' list.  The movies listed above are also on this list.  I see no point to these kinds of movies, as this kind of horror just makes me feel ill, like the OP.

Men Behind The Sun (1988) Hong Kong movie about the Japanese experimental medical unit 731
The Guinea Pig movies from Japan
August Underground trilogy - never seen it, never want to.  That stuff is bad enough just reading about it.


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: skuts on September 12, 2011, 08:02:45 AM
Another one I just thought of, Bloodsucking Freaks. I've seen amateur porn that was less degrading.


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: Chainsawmidget on September 12, 2011, 09:59:31 AM
Another one I just thought of, Bloodsucking Freaks. I've seen amateur porn that was less degrading.
I used to threaten my friends with making them watch that one. 


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: Criswell on September 12, 2011, 03:42:16 PM
Seriously! I'm the first person to mention Cannibal Holocaust. Pretty much the sickest thing ever filmed.


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: peter johnson on September 12, 2011, 04:21:40 PM
"Cannibal Holocaust" and "Make Them Die Slowly" are the same film.  Just differently titled.  Strangely, I didn't mind "I Spit on Your Grave", the original.  I found it to be a pretty straightforward vengeance flick.

peter johnson


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: Criswell on September 12, 2011, 04:22:55 PM
"Cannibal Holocaust" and "Make Them Die Slowly" are the same film.  Just differently titled.  Strangely, I didn't mind "I Spit on Your Grave", the original.  I found it to be a pretty straightforward vengeance flick.

peter johnson
No actually Cannibal Ferox and Make Them Die Slowly are the same films if I can recall.


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: voltron on September 13, 2011, 01:53:00 AM
If anybody really knows me on this board, these are exactly the type of films I tend to seek out when I'm in the right mood. I'm all for extreme cinema and I love to see people pushing the envelope. I'm a MASSIVE fan of Spinell's Maniac. I liked the August Underground trilogy quite a bit (Penance was my fave cause there was a bit more character development). I kinda thought Cannibal Holocaust was a wee bit overrated - still haven't seen Cannibal Ferox, though. I thought the Saw movies were s**t. Eli Roth is a lamewad. "Torture Porn" is a catchphrase made for stupid kids. Rob Zombie is a dork (musically and directorial wise). A Serbian Film was AMAZING. Only mistake I made was reading some reviews before I saw it. Why did I like it so much, you ask? The cinematography was fantastic, the soundtrack was excellent and the plot was quite unnerving and it definately got to me. Any movie that truly disturbs me automatically gets a thumbs up. No one has mentioned Polanski yet - I find a lot of his films to be disturbing in a more subtle way ie: The Tenant spooked me like no other movie before. Threads was pretty devastating as well. The short film Cutting Moments was brilliant - made me feel like someone kicked me in the stomach after watching it. The juxtapostion of mundane (dysfunctional) family life coupled with horror gore was just...oh man, WOW!  :cheers:


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: RCMerchant on September 13, 2011, 04:35:30 AM
I dont care for the nazi horror films. Garbage like the BEAST IN HEAT and GESTAPOS LAST ORGY. Ugh.
I agree one hundred percent about I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE and MEN BEHIND THE SUN. Horrendus.
Some of HG Lewis's stuff can be over the top....like the WIZAED OG GORE. But the gore effects are sooo bad...it's more laughable than disturbing.
Thats why BLOODSUCKING FREAKS dosnt bother me....it's just so fake and silly.
I can do without HOSTEL and SAW. Hated both.


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: skuts on September 13, 2011, 08:40:29 AM
If anybody really knows me on this board, these are exactly the type of films I tend to seek out when I'm in the right mood. I'm all for extreme cinema and I love to see people pushing the envelope. I'm a MASSIVE fan of Spinell's Maniac. I liked the August Underground trilogy quite a bit (Penance was my fave cause there was a bit more character development). I kinda thought Cannibal Holocaust was a wee bit overrated - still haven't seen Cannibal Ferox, though. I thought the Saw movies were s**t. Eli Roth is a lamewad. "Torture Porn" is a catchphrase made for stupid kids. Rob Zombie is a dork (musically and directorial wise). A Serbian Film was AMAZING. Only mistake I made was reading some reviews before I saw it. Why did I like it so much, you ask? The cinematography was fantastic, the soundtrack was excellent and the plot was quite unnerving and it definately got to me. Any movie that truly disturbs me automatically gets a thumbs up. No one has mentioned Polanski yet - I find a lot of his films to be disturbing in a more subtle way ie: The Tenant spooked me like no other movie before. Threads was pretty devastating as well. The short film Cutting Moments was brilliant - made me feel like someone kicked me in the stomach after watching it. The juxtapostion of mundane (dysfunctional) family life coupled with horror gore was just...oh man, WOW!  :cheers:

It may be that as we grow older, our level of empathy matures (or at least it should). When I was younger, I enjoyed all manner of grotesquery. The more depraved the better. Films like Maniac and Cannibal Holocaust were required multiple viewing. I think it is only in hindsight that we come to realize just how unhealthy these films really are.

I still enjoy a bit of the old ultra-violence, Machine Girl and Rubber's Lover come to mind. I think there is some truth to what Cronnenberg says in Videodrome, that what the eye sees on television is interpreted by the mind as raw experience. Whether we know it or not, or like it or not, the images we watch (and we have to actively watch this stuff, it doesn't just appear in front of us by accident) are forever swilling around in our subconscious and affecting our thoughts, feelings and actions in ways we are not even aware of.

There is a theory call "predictive programming" in which these images of bloody horror and death are used to desensitize us in order to prevent us from reacting when we see the real event unfolding in front of us. For example, most people in the past, if they were to see an individual being savagely assaulted would try to help. But nowadays they'll just stand by and gawk, probably filming it to post on youtube.


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: Rev. Powell on September 13, 2011, 08:49:49 AM
If anybody really knows me on this board, these are exactly the type of films I tend to seek out when I'm in the right mood. I'm all for extreme cinema and I love to see people pushing the envelope. I'm a MASSIVE fan of Spinell's Maniac. I liked the August Underground trilogy quite a bit (Penance was my fave cause there was a bit more character development). I kinda thought Cannibal Holocaust was a wee bit overrated - still haven't seen Cannibal Ferox, though. I thought the Saw movies were s**t. Eli Roth is a lamewad. "Torture Porn" is a catchphrase made for stupid kids. Rob Zombie is a dork (musically and directorial wise). A Serbian Film was AMAZING. Only mistake I made was reading some reviews before I saw it. Why did I like it so much, you ask? The cinematography was fantastic, the soundtrack was excellent and the plot was quite unnerving and it definately got to me. Any movie that truly disturbs me automatically gets a thumbs up. No one has mentioned Polanski yet - I find a lot of his films to be disturbing in a more subtle way ie: The Tenant spooked me like no other movie before. Threads was pretty devastating as well. The short film Cutting Moments was brilliant - made me feel like someone kicked me in the stomach after watching it. The juxtapostion of mundane (dysfunctional) family life coupled with horror gore was just...oh man, WOW!  :cheers:

It may be that as we grow older, our level of empathy matures (or at least it should). When I was younger, I enjoyed all manner of grotesquery. The more depraved the better. Films like Maniac and Cannibal Holocaust were required multiple viewing. I think it is only in hindsight that we come to realize just how unhealthy these films really are.

I still enjoy a bit of the old ultra-violence, Machine Girl and Rubber's Lover come to mind. I think there is some truth to what Cronnenberg says in Videodrome, that what the eye sees on television is interpreted by the mind as raw experience. Whether we know it or not, or like it or not, the images we watch (and we have to actively watch this stuff, it doesn't just appear in front of us by accident) are forever swilling around in our subconscious and affecting our thoughts, feelings and actions in ways we are not even aware of.

There is a theory call "predictive programming" in which these images of bloody horror and death are used to desensitize us in order to prevent us from reacting when we see the real event unfolding in front of us. For example, most people in the past, if they were to see an individual being savagely assaulted would try to help. But nowadays they'll just stand by and gawk, probably filming it to post on youtube.

Excellent points.  Obviously every movie with "extreme" content is different, and some have more justification than others.  But there are lots of films that ask you to identify with the torturer rather than the victim so that you can get a sick sadistic thrill.  My reaction to movies like that is hatred.


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: ChaosTheory on September 13, 2011, 08:23:07 PM
I ..... kind of liked I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE.  Like Peter Johnson said, it's a straightforward revenge flick.  I've seen exploitation movies where the rape scenes, though not as graphic, are meant to be titillating, and that's way worse.

DEAR ZACHARY, while not horror exactly, is pretty brutal.
ADDIO ZIO TOM - if you don't know about this movie, you're just as well off.
There's a movie called NAKED MASSACRE on one of my Mill Creek sets, that I had a hard time getting through.  It's technically fictional but very obviously based on the Richard Speck case and it's just an ugly ugly viewing experience.


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: voltron on September 13, 2011, 10:03:38 PM
Excellent points.  Obviously every movie with "extreme" content is different, and some have more justification than others.  But there are lots of films that ask you to identify with the torturer rather than the victim so that you can get a sick sadistic thrill.  My reaction to movies like that is hatred.

I found that Maniac tried to get you to almost feel empathy for Frank Zito. The film isn't your typical slasher. Frig, I wouldn't call it a slasher really because it's so much deeper than you typical F13th knockoff. I think that's why it's such a powerful film for me - we're almost seeing things through Frank's eyes and it's not pretty. That's the thing, it's not supposed to be pretty and I raise a shot to Mr. Lustig and Spinell for creating one of the most believable potrayals of a serial killer ever (screw Henry: POASK, I think it's way overrated and lame compared to Maniac). I remember reading a short story long ago that was about horror movies and censorship and one character described Maniac as "the most reprehensible film ever made" because " the killer is portrayed in such a positive light".BTW, I also enjoyed the original I Spit On Your Grave as well. My only complaint would be that some of the revenge scenes could've been fleshed out more. The rape scenes took up so much time, that the revenge scenes - especially the last one - seemed like an afterthought. But, like others have said , I think it's a solid rape-revenge flick that doesn't deserve some of the derision it gets (usually from mainstream critics).


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: Raffine on September 17, 2011, 06:28:26 AM
Those FACES OF DEATH tapes that were so popular in the 80's. They brought the notion of Gore Porn (or whatever it's called) right into our living rooms, family dens, and kiddie bedrooms.


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: RCMerchant on September 17, 2011, 06:43:56 AM
Those FACES OF DEATH tapes that were so popular in the 80's. They brought the notion of Gore Porn (or whatever it's called) right into our living rooms, family dens, and kiddie bedrooms.

I agree. Even though most were fake....it was disturbing that so many kids wanted to see people die. I think it says more of us as a people,and not blaming it on a movie. People want this s**t. Why? I dont know. You tell me.
The ad line for LAST HOUSE ON THE  LEFT WAS-"its only a movie." Im afraid that kids will want more than the movie.
Give me Dracula and Frankenstein any day..


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: Raffine on September 17, 2011, 07:21:50 AM
Those FACES OF DEATH tapes that were so popular in the 80's. They brought the notion of Gore Porn (or whatever it's called) right into our living rooms, family dens, and kiddie bedrooms.

I agree. Even though most were fake....it was disturbing that so many kids wanted to see people die. I think it says more of us as a people,and not blaming it on a movie. People want this s**t. Why? I dont know. You tell me.
The ad line for LAST HOUSE ON THE  LEFT WAS-"its only a movie." Im afraid that kids will want more than the movie.
Give me Dracula and Frankenstein any day..

Yeah, the big selling point of these tapes was they were supposedly REAL deaths. It was disturbing these tapes were HUGE rentals when they appeared.

 I admit a friend and I rented one out of curiosity back in the 80s. The first thing my mind screamed was "THIS IS REALLY SICK!" the second was "THIS IS REALLY FAKE!".

RC, you and I are about the same age. Did you have to watch those very graphic Drivers Ed movies like I did? I think the coach who taught my class got a twisted pleasure out of making us watch those scenes of twitching, dying teenieboppers and juvie brains splatter on the road..


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: RCMerchant on September 17, 2011, 07:47:18 AM
Those FACES OF DEATH tapes that were so popular in the 80's. They brought the notion of Gore Porn (or whatever it's called) right into our living rooms, family dens, and kiddie bedrooms.

I agree. Even though most were fake....it was disturbing that so many kids wanted to see people die. I think it says more of us as a people,and not blaming it on a movie. People want this s**t. Why? I dont know. You tell me.
The ad line for LAST HOUSE ON THE  LEFT WAS-"its only a movie." Im afraid that kids will want more than the movie.
Give me Dracula and Frankenstein any day..

Yeah, the big selling point of these tapes was they were supposedly REAL deaths. It was disturbing these tapes were HUGE rentals when they appeared.

 I admit a friend and I rented one out of curiosity back in the 80s. The first thing my mind screamed was "THIS IS REALLY SICK!" the second was "THIS IS REALLY FAKE!".

RC, you and I are about the same age. Did you have to watch those very graphic Drivers Ed movies like I did? I think the coach who taught my class got a twisted pleasure out of making us watch those scenes of twitching, dying teenieboppers and juvie brains splatter on the road..
Yeah. And the LSD scare movies too. If you did acid,yer baby would look like a little one eyed octopus thing. I remember. It gave me a chance to chew tobbaco and spit. Cuz the lights were off.


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: Raffine on September 17, 2011, 07:54:58 AM
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If you did acid,yer baby would look like a little one eyed octopus thing.

We musta been shown different movies.

The film they showed us said we'd make little frog-head babies or yeechy Siamese twins (one head, two bodies!) - they showed 'em, too!


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: RCMerchant on September 17, 2011, 08:06:23 AM
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If you did acid,yer baby would look like a little one eyed octopus thing.

We musta been shown different movies.

The film they showed us said we'd make little frog-head babies or yeechy Siamese twins (one head, two bodies!) - they showed 'em, too!
They were all gruesome. SOMETING WEIRD video sells em. I dont wanna buy em.
I did do acid...my kids are beautiful. I dont have Blue Sunshine weird flashbacks. The REFFER MADNESS of the 60's. Acid. Not somethig you want to do every day, Number 1-You cant. Once you trip-aint like drinking booze. You dont get higher. The paths are open.....you can only get so high on acid. Then you come down and crave orange juice. I know.
And feel very paranoid. Which may explain the Manson girls.


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: bob on September 17, 2011, 01:55:45 PM
I just watched this one yesterday The Diving Bell and the Butterfly (2007)  :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred:

This film is allegidily about the power of the human spirit is in reality it is movie that is gimmick driven look at the fate of a man suffering physically, emotionally and psychologically for an extended period of time. As Jean-Dominique Bauby struggles with the toll it is taking on him while lying in a hospital bed one cannot help but wonder how The Diving Bell and the Butterfly is not a horror film.


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: zombie no.one on September 17, 2011, 05:28:07 PM
spiritually, emotionally or psychically harmful film that leaves me physically ill after watching it?
...hmm

(http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/411MT5GW7SL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)


seriously though, I'm more offended by films that ooze mediocrity, rather than ones with excessive gore/torture or scenes of moral degredation. maybe I shouldn't be? who knows.

There is a theory call "predictive programming" in which these images of bloody horror and death are used to desensitize us in order to prevent us from reacting when we see the real event unfolding in front of us. For example, most people in the past, if they were to see an individual being savagely assaulted would try to help. But nowadays they'll just stand by and gawk, probably filming it to post on youtube.

I've always wondered about this theory, and whether it can be applied to other types of images. for example if we are exposed to lots of funny images/films, do we become desensetized to funny incidents in real life? or if we watch a lot of music videos, do we then become unable to appreciate 'live' music if we go to a show? or does the desensetization process only apply to violence and gore


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: bob on September 17, 2011, 08:55:07 PM
Magnolia (1999) - I just finished this. This movie is supposed to be about to be the power of forgiving people,  I on the othe er hand beg to differ.

There are unspeakable offensive acts committed within Magnolia done by many characters. Yet, the audience is supposed to have sympathy for them. This movie wears the audiences out not just because of the length but because of the constant running themes being beaten into the head of those watching the film.

   There are two saving graces in this film: the two noble people in Magnolia who are just trying to do the right thing with no ulterior motives and the acting which is outstanding. However, that is not enough to save Magnolia. To be blunt Magnolia sucks and is one of the worst movies ever made.



Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: RCMerchant on September 17, 2011, 10:03:43 PM
Magnolia (1999) - I just finished this. This movie is supposed to be about to be the power of forgiving people,  I on the othe er hand beg to differ.

There are unspeakable offensive acts committed within Magnolia done by many characters. Yet, the audience is supposed to have sympathy for them. This movie wears the audiences out not just because of the length but because of the constant running themes being beaten into the head of those watching the film.

   There are two saving graces in this film: the two noble people in Magnolia who are just trying to do the right thing with no ulterior motives and the acting which is outstanding. However, that is not enough to save Magnolia. To be blunt Magnolia sucks and is one of the worst movies ever made.


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Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: 66Crush on September 17, 2011, 11:32:27 PM
I have to admit, I've never been much of a "Saw" fan. I thought "Hostel" was far superior at doing this kind of thing, although it might not be as creative. I had always wanted to see "Maniac" because I liked the poster, but once I saw it, I was so dissapointed in it, even though I loved Savini's EFX. It's a great EFX movie but so weak on story. I kind of got the same vibe from "Basket Case."


Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: bob on September 17, 2011, 11:57:25 PM
Magnolia (1999) - I just finished this. This movie is supposed to be about to be the power of forgiving people,  I on the othe er hand beg to differ.

There are unspeakable offensive acts committed within Magnolia done by many characters. Yet, the audience is supposed to have sympathy for them. This movie wears the audiences out not just because of the length but because of the constant running themes being beaten into the head of those watching the film.

   There are two saving graces in this film: the two noble people in Magnolia who are just trying to do the right thing with no ulterior motives and the acting which is outstanding. However, that is not enough to save Magnolia. To be blunt Magnolia sucks and is one of the worst movies ever made.


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Title: Re: Let's list the Other kind of bad movies
Post by: SC-RM on September 18, 2011, 01:38:49 AM
Problem child: The entire thing is built around a nice guy trying to help out an orphan,Sure Ritter messes up bit here and there but "Junior" cares not he relentlessly destroys everything all while sporting a s**t ating grin begging the veiwer to grab him by the throat.

Ritter's character attempts ot be the loving father but if you ask me if junior was my responsibility I might drown him. The real kicker is somehow we are supposed to sympathize with junior after he's caused thousands in damage,mental stress,and in some cases attempted murder,But...DAAAAAW look he learned a lesson,I guess all is forgiven,BS.

There would be a total of 3 of these movies all witht he same plot. All envoking the same rage from me.