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Title: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: indianasmith on March 07, 2012, 06:29:32 PM
Apparently this is the latest ABC installment about lying, adulterous, backstabbing women and the men who love them, hyped up as the next "Desperate Housewives" (or, as I called that show after watching the pilot episode, "The Joys of Adultery.")  Just one small difference - instead of bored suburban Yuppies,  this group of catfighting females all belong to the same megachurch, and one of them is the Pastor's wife.

And the title?  It's initialized because the title of the book it's based on didn't make it past the network censors.

"Good Christian b***hes"

Now, I'm a grown guy, and I've long accepted that Hollywood does not share my Christian worldview and values, and I'm really OK with that.  I mean, B-movies would be pretty boring if they were all made Safe For Sunday School.

But .  . . really?

Would they make a prime time TV show and call it "Nice Jewish Sluts"?

Or, "Sweet Muslim Whores"?

Of course not.  Protests would come flooding in, they would lose sponsors, and, if they used my second example, someone would probably blow up the studio, or kidnap the producer and cut off his head.

And yet it is perfectly acceptable, chic, and funny to use Christianity as a punching bag AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.   The fact is that it's not creative, it's not funny, and it's frankly offensive to many Americans.

But hey, keep it coming.  After all, we're supposed to turn the other cheek.

Jerks. :hatred:


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: Flick James on March 07, 2012, 06:39:34 PM
Muslims are frequently portrayed as automatic terrorists.
Irish people are frequently portrayed as having ties to the IRA.
Russians are routinely portrayed as violent, soulless criminals.
And how many times have Italians been assumed to have mob ties?

Get over it.

But yeah, it looks like a dumb show.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: HappyGilmore on March 07, 2012, 06:57:12 PM
I thought all Irishmen just hung out at bars? How are they tied to the IRA?



Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: Flick James on March 07, 2012, 07:05:06 PM
I thought all Irishmen just hung out at bars? How are they tied to the IRA?



BA-ZING! See? I'm not offended. You just may want to avoid starting your car next time.

 :tongueout:


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: indianasmith on March 07, 2012, 08:17:56 PM
I'm not organizing a boycott or anything.  I just get tired of it.

Let me take another tack on it -

When was the last time a movie or TV series out of Hollywood portrayed Christians in a positive light?
It happens, but rarely.  I'd say about 10-1 at best.

And for the record, Muslims are portrayed as terrorists frequently because Muslims frequently are terrorists.
Not all of them, by any means, but enough to make it more than just a stereotype.

Dunno about Russians or Irish, though.  All the ones I've met were first-rate folks!


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: HappyGilmore on March 07, 2012, 08:33:09 PM
I thought all Irishmen just hung out at bars? How are they tied to the IRA?



BA-ZING! See? I'm not offended. You just may want to avoid starting your car next time.

 :tongueout:
Good thing I don't have a car and walk to work instead. :teddyr:


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: Jack on March 08, 2012, 08:14:01 AM
Muslims are frequently portrayed as automatic terrorists.

I really think anyone working in Hollywood who suggested that Muslims be portrayed as terrorists would probably be ridden out of town on a rail.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: Flick James on March 08, 2012, 09:17:14 PM
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When was the last time a movie or TV series out of Hollywood portrayed Christians in a positive light?
It happens, but rarely.  I'd say about 10-1 at best.

In the last 10-20 years? Let's see.

Movies I've seen that portray Christian faith, values, people, or communities in a positive light:
Junebug (2005)
Cinderella Man (2005)
The Count of Monte Cristo (2002)
Spider-Man (2002)
The Rookie (2002)
Signs (2002)
World Trade Center (2006)
Amazing Grace (2006)
Rudy (1993)
Lars and the Real Girl (2007)
The Passion of the Christ (2004)


I can go on. Negative portrayals of religion abound, this is true, but there are plenty of positive portrayals, Indy. Methinks you are taking the martyr angle here.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: AndyC on March 08, 2012, 09:55:52 PM
My wife mentioned something about "GCB" the other day, and I had no idea what it was. This was the first thing that came to mind:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/JCB_3CX_Backhoe_loader.jpg/800px-JCB_3CX_Backhoe_loader.jpg)
I suppose it does refer to some kind of hoes.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: indianasmith on March 08, 2012, 11:49:20 PM
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When was the last time a movie or TV series out of Hollywood portrayed Christians in a positive light?
It happens, but rarely.  I'd say about 10-1 at best.

In the last 10-20 years? Let's see.

Movies I've seen that portray Christian faith, values, people, or communities in a positive light:
Junebug (2005)
Cinderella Man (2005)
The Count of Monte Cristo (2002)
Spider-Man (2002)
The Rookie (2002)
Signs (2002)
World Trade Center (2006)
Amazing Grace (2006)
Rudy (1993)
Lars and the Real Girl (2007)
The Passion of the Christ (2004)


I can go on. Negative portrayals of religion abound, this is true, but there are plenty of positive portrayals, Indy. Methinks you are taking the martyr angle here.

Point taken, although SPIDERMAN is a bit of a stretch, I think!

Still don't like GCB, though.  The name in and of itself is offensive, and shows Hollywood's double standard.  They might show other faiths in a negative light, too - but I don't think they'd slap a title like this on any other religion.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: Mofo Rising on March 09, 2012, 05:41:48 AM
I would take the opposite viewpoint.

The reason that Christianity can be lampooned with such excess is because that this country is predominately Christian. Don't fool yourself that you're feeling attacked, the vast majority of people in this country still consider themselves Christian.

The reason you could not put a show on like this that features either Jewish or Muslim people is because they are still marginalized in American culture.

More bluntly, almost every movie is a celebration of "middle-American" Christian values. The only reason you don't notice is because it's the water we're swimming in.

So view it as a triumph of Christianity. You may not like it, but the fact that Christiantiy is one of the few religions that people think they can make fun of with impunity is an example of it's ubiquity, at least in this country.

And if you can't stand a little bit of ribbing, well, I only have so much respect I'm willing to give.

"f**k 'em if they can't take a joke."


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: indianasmith on March 09, 2012, 07:34:09 AM
I do see your point.  Not entirely sure I agree, though.  This nation today is probably less Christian than it has been in any point in its history - although I will concede it is still more Christian than most.
I still find the constant barbs from Hollywood tiresome, though.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: Flick James on March 09, 2012, 09:20:49 AM
I TOTALLY agree with Mofo here.

"Turning the other cheek" is what you should do. I'm not Christian, but I can see when a principle is solid regardless of its source. For example, before the existence of this thread, I had no knowledge of the show, and would have no interest in it anyway. But now, because of this thread, I am more likely to watch an episode. I will bet dollars to doughnuts that outrage is exactly what the producers of the show depend on. You just advertised their show for free.

And, as Mofo said, look at the bright side. Look at Mormonism. It is on the rise and is experiencing an almost "cool" perception, and you can thank the success of shows like Big Love, that largely portrayed many dark aspects of the faith. The fact that this show exists is ultimately good for Christianity. I would probably find the show more annoying than you and I'm not Christian.

And if you're looking for me to bemoan a decrease in religion in the world, you're barking up the wrong tree. It's all about perspective. I'm not religious, and I see the Christian right as constantly encroaching on my life. I am more exposed to Christian faith and morals now than I ever remember 30 years ago.



Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: tracy on March 09, 2012, 03:38:44 PM
I have to agree with Indy....the title itself turns me off and I am also bothered by what they are doing. However,I intend to simply not watch it since I have no control what they put on tv and what is or isn't popular.
Now,we avidly watch "Blue Bloods" which portrays a very close family with definite Christian values. Granted,they are Catholic and I am not,but I like how they interact with one another and the positive morals they espouse.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: alandhopewell on March 09, 2012, 03:46:37 PM
I TOTALLY agree with Mofo here.

"Turning the other cheek" is what you should do. I'm not Christian, but I can see when a principle is solid regardless of its source. For example, before the existence of this thread, I had no knowledge of the show, and would have no interest in it anyway. But now, because of this thread, I am more likely to watch an episode. I will bet dollars to doughnuts that outrage is exactly what the producers of the show depend on. You just advertised their show for free.

And, as Mofo said, look at the bright side. Look at Mormonism. It is on the rise and is experiencing an almost "cool" perception, and you can thank the success of shows like Big Love, that largely portrayed many dark aspects of the faith. The fact that this show exists is ultimately good for Christianity. I would probably find the show more annoying than you and I'm not Christian.

And if you're looking for me to bemoan a decrease in religion in the world, you're barking up the wrong tree. It's all about perspective. I'm not religious, and I see the Christian right as constantly encroaching on my life. I am more exposed to Christian faith and morals now than I ever remember 30 years ago.



     JOOC, in what way do we "encroach" upon your life? Because we wish to share with the rest of humanity a wonderful blessing?

     We don't hold rusty butcher knives to people's throats, to bend them to our will....THAT'S encroachment.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: indianasmith on March 09, 2012, 04:32:39 PM
You may be right, Flick.  I certainly always enjoy your perspective on things.  At any rate, I just wanted to rant a bit. I'm done now.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: Flick James on March 09, 2012, 05:32:13 PM
I TOTALLY agree with Mofo here.

"Turning the other cheek" is what you should do. I'm not Christian, but I can see when a principle is solid regardless of its source. For example, before the existence of this thread, I had no knowledge of the show, and would have no interest in it anyway. But now, because of this thread, I am more likely to watch an episode. I will bet dollars to doughnuts that outrage is exactly what the producers of the show depend on. You just advertised their show for free.

And, as Mofo said, look at the bright side. Look at Mormonism. It is on the rise and is experiencing an almost "cool" perception, and you can thank the success of shows like Big Love, that largely portrayed many dark aspects of the faith. The fact that this show exists is ultimately good for Christianity. I would probably find the show more annoying than you and I'm not Christian.

And if you're looking for me to bemoan a decrease in religion in the world, you're barking up the wrong tree. It's all about perspective. I'm not religious, and I see the Christian right as constantly encroaching on my life. I am more exposed to Christian faith and morals now than I ever remember 30 years ago.



     JOOC, in what way do we "encroach" upon your life? Because we wish to share with the rest of humanity a wonderful blessing?

     We don't hold rusty butcher knives to people's throats, to bend them to our will....THAT'S encroachment.

That's a fair question. "Encroach" may be a bit harsh, and I don't mean it in its harshest of senses.

Just as Christians feel that the nation is becoming less Christian and non-Christian values are being forced upon the public, I feel like the Christian right is increasingly trying to shoehorn Christian doctrine into government policy. Further, the government makes policy decisions, including foreign policy, that are influenced by Biblical doctrine moreso than in any other point prior to WWII. The U.S. support of Israel is preferential well beyond anything we've ever lavished upon any other nation, with perhaps the exception of England during WWII. I here some trying to justify such virtually unconditional support in the name of stability in the region, but some of the Christian right politicians have been honest enough to admit that it is based on a Biblican imperative that we must stand by Israel or suffer the wrath of God. At no point prior to the establishment of the state of Israel has the U.S. lavished such support of one nation, and certainly not for such obvious religious reasons.

This is one example of how the government is making major policy decisions influenced by Biblical doctrine, in particular a preference of one religion over another, that I am a representative of the people do not approve of. You are free to disagree with me, or feel that perhaps the Christian moral majority agrees with the support so therefore we should give it, but we as a nation have embroiled ourselves in a holy war, and I'm not okay with it. I'm further not okay with the inevitable cultural blowback that happens with any war, where now we have cultures populating our country whose ideals are alien and detrimental to our way of life.

This is what I mean by encroachment. I did not mean it in a sense that Christians are coming to my house and threatening to behead me or burn me at the stake if I don't convert like they used to. I am happy that doesn't happen anymore.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 09, 2012, 05:35:47 PM

    

Personally-I hate those kinda shows too. I don't care what race,creed,or color they are.  Bunch self centered idiots. And just because you call a cow a horse,does'nt make it so. Ugh.

As for Christians being portrayed as the bad guys-horror films almost always have the preists as good guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au-u9RWe0Jo





Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: Flick James on March 09, 2012, 05:46:06 PM
Oh, BTW, nothing I am writing in this thread is in support of the show in question. It looks really stupid. But all of this controversy almost makes me want to check out an episode.



Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: indianasmith on March 09, 2012, 06:52:14 PM
They would have to have Anne Hathaway in a string bikini for me to check it out at this point!


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 09, 2012, 07:23:29 PM
They would have to have Anne Hathaway in a string bikini for me to check it out at this point!

They would have to have an atom bomb drop in the middle of their palather for me to check it out.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: A_Dubya on March 09, 2012, 09:18:59 PM
"Nice Jewish Sluts" has a good ring to it. I like that.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: The Gravekeeper on March 13, 2012, 09:09:28 AM
I agree, the title and the premise of the show are just stupid and kind of offensive. But it could be worse...at least your religion has had positive portrayals and has been represented accurately in media. Mine, well...we get lumped in with another group entirely when our existence is even acknowledged, and then we get to pick from one of three portrayals: misinformed idiots who'll try anything "spiritual" at least once even if it defies basic common sense, angsty teenaged girls (and it is always girls) who want to gain magic powers to rebel against their parents and society, or just plain evil gits who sacrifice people and animals to Satan just before the orgy. Not to mention that one of our sacred sites tend to be portrayed as a source of ultimate evil in b-movies...


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: AndyC on March 13, 2012, 09:55:13 AM
I agree, the title and the premise of the show are just stupid and kind of offensive. But it could be worse...at least your religion has had positive portrayals and has been represented accurately in media. Mine, well...we get lumped in with another group entirely when our existence is even acknowledged, and then we get to pick from one of three portrayals: misinformed idiots who'll try anything "spiritual" at least once even if it defies basic common sense, angsty teenaged girls (and it is always girls) who want to gain magic powers to rebel against their parents and society, or just plain evil gits who sacrifice people and animals to Satan just before the orgy. Not to mention that one of our sacred sites tend to be portrayed as a source of ultimate evil in b-movies...

Wicca?


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: The Gravekeeper on March 13, 2012, 10:06:12 AM
I agree, the title and the premise of the show are just stupid and kind of offensive. But it could be worse...at least your religion has had positive portrayals and has been represented accurately in media. Mine, well...we get lumped in with another group entirely when our existence is even acknowledged, and then we get to pick from one of three portrayals: misinformed idiots who'll try anything "spiritual" at least once even if it defies basic common sense, angsty teenaged girls (and it is always girls) who want to gain magic powers to rebel against their parents and society, or just plain evil gits who sacrifice people and animals to Satan just before the orgy. Not to mention that one of our sacred sites tend to be portrayed as a source of ultimate evil in b-movies...

Wicca?

Druid. Like I said, when media acknowledges that we exist at all, they sort of assume that we're just like Wiccans (lots of real similarities and we get on quite well, but we're not exactly the same) and then slap Wiccan misconceptions on us, too. The same thing happens to every other Pagan group, too.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: alandhopewell on March 13, 2012, 02:02:11 PM
They would have to have Anne Hathaway in a string bikini for me to check it out at this point!


     Hey, Indy! How's this....

(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z77/alandhopewell/article-2041664-0E12D69A00000578-790_634x799.jpg)


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: indianasmith on March 13, 2012, 07:13:55 PM
Thank you sir, may I have another? :teddyr:


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: Hammock Rider on March 15, 2012, 05:13:42 PM
The U.S. support of Israel is preferential well beyond anything we've ever lavished upon any other nation, with perhaps the exception of England during WWII. I here some trying to justify such virtually unconditional support in the name of stability in the region, but some of the Christian right politicians have been honest enough to admit that it is based on a Biblican imperative that we must stand by Israel or suffer the wrath of God. At no point prior to the establishment of the state of Israel has the U.S. lavished such support of one nation, and certainly not for such obvious religious reasons.


  I thought we supported them because they provide a friendly face in Oil Country.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: indianasmith on March 15, 2012, 06:10:29 PM
Not to mention they are the most democratic, civilized, and progressive country in a corner of the world largely inhabited by fanatical, cruel barbarians.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: Pacman000 on March 17, 2012, 05:41:39 PM
Wonderful, another show I have no interest to watch. :bluesad: I want a good remake of Lost In Space, and I want it today!  Now on to more serious matters:

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Just as Christians feel that the nation is becoming less Christian and non-Christian values are being forced upon the public, I feel like the Christian right is increasingly trying to shoehorn Christian doctrine into government policy.
Traditionally, the nation has had Christian morals.  When another group tries to change this, Christians resist. Where people want to change laws, they try to keep said laws from being changed.  Where laws were never written, where communities assumed there was no need for laws, they enact new laws.

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The U.S. support of Israel is preferential well beyond anything we've ever lavished upon any other nation, with perhaps the exception of England during WWII
I think we support Israel because we we're embarrassed/grieved for not stopping Hitler sooner.  In fact, I think that embarrassment/grief changed us from an isolationist nation which stayed out of foreign affairs to a nation which must help oppressed nations.  We're trying to make up for not bombing Auschwitz.

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And, as Mofo said, look at the bright side. Look at Mormonism. It is on the rise and is experiencing an almost "cool" perception, and you can thank the success of shows like Big Love, that largely portrayed many dark aspects of the faith. The fact that this show exists is ultimately good for Christianity. I would probably find the show more annoying than you and I'm not Christian.
I'm not sure of this.  50 years ago most people took religion seriously.  Now, few people do.  This show is a symptom of apathy.  Furthermore, Christians are accused of hypocrisy, the very thing Christ chided the Pharisees about.  I cannot deny this, but there are good Christians. This show will spread the message of hypocrisy, not the message of Christ.




Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: The Gravekeeper on March 17, 2012, 06:44:01 PM
Wonderful, another show I have no interest to watch. :bluesad: I want a good remake of Lost In Space, and I want it today!  Now on to more serious matters:

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Just as Christians feel that the nation is becoming less Christian and non-Christian values are being forced upon the public, I feel like the Christian right is increasingly trying to shoehorn Christian doctrine into government policy.
Traditionally, the nation has had Christian morals.  When another group tries to change this, Christians resist. Where people want to change laws, they try to keep said laws from being changed.  Where laws were never written, where communities assumed there was no need for laws, they enact new laws.

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The U.S. support of Israel is preferential well beyond anything we've ever lavished upon any other nation, with perhaps the exception of England during WWII
I think we support Israel because we we're embarrassed/grieved for not stopping Hitler sooner.  In fact, I think that embarrassment/grief changed us from an isolationist nation which stayed out of foreign affairs to a nation which must help oppressed nations.  We're trying to make up for not bombing Auschwitz.

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And, as Mofo said, look at the bright side. Look at Mormonism. It is on the rise and is experiencing an almost "cool" perception, and you can thank the success of shows like Big Love, that largely portrayed many dark aspects of the faith. The fact that this show exists is ultimately good for Christianity. I would probably find the show more annoying than you and I'm not Christian.
I'm not sure of this.  50 years ago most people took religion seriously.  Now, few people do.  This show is a symptom of apathy.  Furthermore, Christians are accused of hypocrisy, the very thing Christ chided the Pharisees about.  I cannot deny this, but there are good Christians. This show will spread the message of hypocrisy, not the message of Christ.




I'm not sure if I agree with you about people not taking it seriously. Yes, there are more people than ever who don't think about it one way or another, but there have always been hypocrites. Honestly, one of the best ways I can think of to gauge whether or not religion matters in your country is to ask if someone who isn't a member of the major religion in that country could become its leader.

In the meantime, I'll keep being cautious about who I reveal my beliefs to since I'd prefer avoid being ostracized, being passed over for a job or being fired for them. Honestly, it took me a while to reveal them here because I needed to be sure that this forum really was open-minded enough not to make a big deal out of it.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: AndyC on March 18, 2012, 09:46:31 AM
In the meantime, I'll keep being cautious about who I reveal my beliefs to since I'd prefer avoid being ostracized, being passed over for a job or being fired for them. Honestly, it took me a while to reveal them here because I needed to be sure that this forum really was open-minded enough not to make a big deal out of it.

No big deal to me. My Celtic ancestors were no doubt pagans themselves.

Of course, coming from a Presbyterian background, I naturally favour Christian values and Christian symbols - such as mistletoe and holly, Christmas trees, Easter eggs, dressing up for All Hallows Eve and wishing everyone a joyous Yuletide. :wink:

As for GCB, from the previews I've seen, it looks terribly hamfisted and clicheed, and utterly stupid. Should be a hit.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: Flick James on March 22, 2012, 08:04:09 PM
I miss the days of All in the Family. Now those were the days.



Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: indianasmith on March 22, 2012, 09:39:45 PM
"Boy, the way Glen Miller Played!
Songs that made the hit parade!
Guys like us, we had it made -
Those were the days!"


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: tracy on March 24, 2012, 12:40:19 PM
"Boy, the way Glen Miller Played!
Songs that made the hit parade!
Guys like us, we had it made -
Those were the days!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d8FTPv955I


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: Chainsawmidget on April 09, 2012, 01:43:30 PM
I thought all Irishmen just hung out at bars? How are they tied to the IRA?


I can see it.  Hang out in a bar for a while, get drunk, start thinking "you know what?  We should all go blow something up!"  It makes sense to me. 

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Druid. Like I said, when media acknowledges that we exist at all, they sort of assume that we're just like Wiccans (lots of real similarities and we get on quite well, but we're not exactly the same) and then slap Wiccan misconceptions on us, too. The same thing happens to every other Pagan group, too.
I don't assume anything like that.  I assume you all wear brown robes, live in isolation, and sacrifice women and children to evil spirits and possibly trees.  I saw it on a movie once. 





Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: AndyC on April 09, 2012, 03:11:58 PM
I thought all Irishmen just hung out at bars? How are they tied to the IRA?


I can see it.  Hang out in a bar for a while, get drunk, start thinking "you know what?  We should all go blow something up!"  It makes sense to me. 

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Druid. Like I said, when media acknowledges that we exist at all, they sort of assume that we're just like Wiccans (lots of real similarities and we get on quite well, but we're not exactly the same) and then slap Wiccan misconceptions on us, too. The same thing happens to every other Pagan group, too.
I don't assume anything like that.  I assume you all wear brown robes, live in isolation, and sacrifice women and children to evil spirits and possibly trees.  I saw it on a movie once. 

I always thought nobody knew who they were, or what they were doing.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: Pacman000 on April 30, 2012, 12:42:09 PM
I've seen promos for this, and I've noticed something: they aren't willing to say the full title on air.   :bouncegiggle:  Maybe there is hope after all.

P.S.  The show looks really bad; like a redneck version of Desperate Housewives.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: tracy on May 14, 2012, 01:35:02 PM
I read it's been cancelled....good riddance!


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: indianasmith on May 14, 2012, 05:19:28 PM
Noticed that myself.  Good taste stand vindicated . . . for now.


Title: Re: "GCB"??? Really?
Post by: voltron on May 14, 2012, 08:54:14 PM
It'd be more apt as a good porn flick I think.  :smile: