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Secret Service looking into Ted Nugent violent anti-Obama message 

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/secret-looking-ted-nugent-violent-anti-obama-message-225142639.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/secret-looking-ted-nugent-violent-anti-obama-message-225142639.html) 

The U.S. Secret Service is looking into a violent rant by "Catch Scratch Fever" rocker Ted Nugent  in which he denounced President Barack Obama and his top advisers as "evil" and urged National Rifle Association members to help "chop their heads off in November."

"I'll tell you this right now: If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year," Nugent said. "We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November. Any questions?"

Nugent, speaking at the organization's annual gathering over the weekend, praised NRA members but warned that if they did not "get everybody in your lives to clean house in this vile, evil, America-hating administration, I don't even know what you're made out of."

"If the coyote's in your living room, p**sing on your couch, it's not the coyote's fault. It's your fault for not shooting him," he said.He also denounced the administration as "criminals" and said a Democratic victory in November would mean "we'll be a suburb of Indonesia next year" — an apparent reference to Obama's boyhood time there...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/secret-looking-ted-nugent-violent-anti-obama-message-225142639.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/secret-looking-ted-nugent-violent-anti-obama-message-225142639.html) 

Nice. I was just thinking we were overdue for a thread dripping with vitriol. I can't wait.

 :bouncegiggle:

I disliked him when he was not a political operative or commentator; I always thought his Rock sucks, but I suppose he's had his moments.  It's lookin' at 'im I can't stand. 
Now, he's just an a$$hole. 

Agreed, but you just know somebody is bound to reply in his defense. And it's gonna make for some fun times.

I liked one of his earlier comments about France, but this is not only over the top, it's just . . . weird. :thumbdown:

What was said about Bush by our beloved  artists  from Sprinsteen to  an actual assassination  film, I have no problem with  his comments.


http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621 (http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621)

Stupid comments, but I disagree with the premise of the article that the Secret Service is "looking into" them. Sounds like the Yahoo reporter asked them for a comment and they gave the standard response that they're "conducting appropriate follow-up." Appropriate follow-up in this case is to do nothing. Nugent is asking people to vote for Romney, nothing else.

His music does suck though.

As a Ted Nugent fan I will admit that some of his politics are pretty tough. But he is a  God-fearing and patriotic American who loves his country and hates to see the path we are currently on. It's no secret that I despise Obama and I think it's past time that he and his administration were given the heave ho. I personally think it is too much foreign influence and PC baloney that are some of our biggest problems here. There are certain folks who want to drag us down to the level of less successful countries out of misplaced guilt or " we just know what is good for you". Pish posh! I don't need anyone telling me how to be a good American. I love this nation and would rather live here than anywhere else. Besides....we still have that "Freedom of Speech" thing. I remember how un-American the Bush administration tried to make you look if you said one word against it. Phooey! I have the right to point out our governments flaws and the right to my own opinion. So does Ted.... :wink:

Good ole "Uncle Ted." He's an utter mongoloid but dang, he can wail the hell outta that gee-tar!!

     What she said. I personally think that rug-kissing imposter should be dragged naked in chains down Pennsylvania Avenue, if only to send a message to those idiots who voted for him merely due to his genetics.

     He wants to drag America down to a third-world level, he has no problem in killing innocent children, or at least, letting them die, , not to mention the fact that he and his stuck-up skank of a mate seem to think they're better than everyone other than their socialist-elitist friends.

Let the games begin! YEEEEEEHAAAAAW!

Comedian Christopher Titus made a joke about Sarah Palin once that if she ever got elected he would hide on a grassy knoll. Not a great joke, but it got a few laughs and then he moved on to the next joke.

Commentators like Bill O'Reilly and Hannity made a big deal about it, naturally, saying he threatened her life and so on. Then, of course, Ted Nugent making a blatant threat and actually encouraging murder is naturally defended by the same people.

It seems double-standards are everywhere.

I think Ted Nugent is pinhead and I've never cared much for his music, but he is a celebrity and he encouraged killing the President, so if anybody does do anything about it, which will probably never happen, it makes for a nice vacuous three-ring circus of talking-head nonsense.

But honestly, can anybody really be shocked if somebody gets heat for threatening or encouraging the murder of the President? This is just very, very silly.

And before anybody pees themselves, I am not a liberal nor a Democrat. Invariably when I make posts expressing my views, because of the slightly right-leaning tendency of many of my bad movie neighbors, I get debated against as if I am representing such an agenda or posture. You can do that if you like, but you would be highly mistaken.

You must have read some expanded version of his comments that wasn't linked in the article. I didn't read or hear anything that came close to an actual, credible threat. We need to "chop their heads off in November" is a clear reference to ousting Democrats at the polls.

And Grover, you might want to contact Wikipedia---they're listing you as a certified Democrat.  :wink:

My world.  Welcome to it.

     Actually, I think you have a point. In both cases, no one actually DID anything, nor was there ther likelihood of anything being done; even if some yutz did do something, then blame what someone else said, he's just offering an excuse for his behavior.

     Blaming Nugent (or anyone else, regardless of ideological stripe) for the actions of someone else is about on the level of the "comic-books-cause-juvenile-delinquency" rant of Dr. Wertham, and probably for the same reason....ATTENTION.

Maybe this is the answer, a link right from the article you had linked: 
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/president-obama-faces-increase-400-deat (http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/president-obama-faces-increase-400-deat)

Been here a while. I thought you looked familiar.  :cheers:

Yes, You will find links on communist web sites to fascists, doesn't mean they are accurate. You know what they say, what goes  around  comes around, what  was  said about Bush and supporters of that President is now coming home to roost . The Left had better tone it down.

Well, I  have been many things from an Anarchist, Socialist to Republican.  The experiences  I have had and I live in one of the media capitals of the world is that  the press gives a  pass to violent  rhetoric anfd actual violence of groups  and people  they agree with and often the case  is the pass is given to the Left.  The Left in my opinion are the most  violent rhetorical and in reality  group, second only to Muslim fanatics. Yet, all I hear is  how evil and dangerous  FOX  News is and five guys on radio.

Oh, please. I have plenty of personal experiences with different political groups myself, but neither of our personal experiences bear much weight in the argument with anyone but ourselves. There are violent, extrememist, wacko groups in the left, to be more than sure, but so there are on the right, and Ted Nuget proudly represents them.

What I'm saying is that the media is the media, and the talking-head are what they are. The extremist groups each have their corrolary, and in the grand scheme of things, is there really a sizeable difference between them? After years of contemplation, I've come to the conclusion that the further left and the further right one goes, the more one begins to resemble the other.

Why is it that Sean Hannity can condemn the joke by Christopher Titus, but defend the rhetoric of Ted Nugent? Plain old partisan double-standards, that's how. And I'm not just trying to single out the right here. They're on the left too, and I despise that equally. Unfortunately, the left tend to be funnier.

Unfortunately for the right, the left tend to be funnier.

Hey, the right still has Ray Stevens! :teddyr:

The novelty song writer? He's got his moments, "Everything is Beautiful" being chief among them, but we're digressing.

One of my favorite, recurring lines during class lectures, after a 15 minute "rabbit trail" -

"But I digress.   I do that."

The personal experience I am including is of relatives killed by Stalin and Hitler, not just living in lefty-media capital. Although, I was not present, they do have a bearing and serious one in my views.

I don’t speak for Sean Hannity, don’t have cable anymore, and don’t know if he defended Nugents comments. But, I do know I’ll run into many more on the right who condemn fascists than lefties who ever condemn communists.

IMO, There is  only one-standard, run by a  media  that is out of control like rabid dogs, they are decidedly from left-leaning to far-left, from University  to the internet. I don’t find them very funny. I view them, increasingly, as I get older, as they view people like me, the enemy.

I see. Well, without saying so outright you are offering a pretty typical cultural Marxism argument. The problem I have with the cultural Marxism position is that it is such an easy scapegoat route to take. I've had these debates before, and they never go anywhere. I can only identify myself in your mind as one of the enemy because I am not in 100% agreement with you. I'm sorry if you feel I have pidgeon-holed you, but I can't really see any other alternative. I think the best practice is simply to avoid any interactions with you of a social or political nature. But since it is a bad movie site, that leaves us plenty of alternatives in that regard.

Exactly, I learned a lot about Hate I learned from Marxists and Communists. I’m mean they’re not  just better  at humor, they’re  better at many things, like covering up genocide and putting a smiley face on  it.

No apology necessary, you have every right, many times I write in time lapse. :teddyr:

To be honest I am in no way advocating murdering the President.....just getting him and his gang out of Washington. Not by any sort of violence but by exercising our rights as a voter and by making sure folks know  what's up. Of course,we probably will never know what's really going on..... :wink:

That's exactly what Ted Nugent said. I guess that's what bothers me about this story. I don't understand how anyone could interpret the words "chop their heads off in November" as call to literal violence. That Yahoo reporter managed to get a lot of mileage out of nothing at all.

I don't really disagree with you. However, it doesn't appear that you have eliminated much hate by shifting to the right. My problem with the cultural Marxism argument, and with the traditional left/right political spectrum in general, is that is doesn't really reflect life. It's a paranoid conspiracy fantasy. The further one goes left or right the more one resembles the other. The extreme left is communism and the extreme right is fascism. How different are the two, really?

Ted Nugent is a douchebag.
Always has been, always will be.

Regardless of your political beliefs, I think we can all agree that Nugent  was acting like a nut. 

They're  not, which, is  why  Hitler  admired  Stalin, even as they  fought each other  to the death using their  population and millions. It does reflect  life, sadly, just like extreme Islam doesn't reflect all of Islam, but, it is  a  powerful  minority that must be met with extreme measures.

Yeah, hard to believe  this  guy could  act ' nutty.'  :bouncegiggle:  I like him even more now, cause of his politics, you fight a bully by being crazier. Ted  is  just doing what  lefty artists  have been doing and saying for years  against  anyone that oppose them. You know, by any means, baby. :wink:


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NSFW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M8vei3L0L8

Ted has a very weird sense of humor-he even made fun of himself on the Simpsons!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3549DajSl4E

Hell-he'll even move the White House to Kalamazoo! It'll take me 20 minutes to drive there!  :smile:
If I hadda car.  :bluesad:

Actually-when you think about it-what Ted spouts is so over the top nonsense -how could anyone take him seriously?
Like this guy-

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/RCMerchant/47913.jpg)

(-and I hope no one takes ME seriously,either.  :wink:)

Yeah, but could Goebbels play the guitar?

Good point-but I bet he played a mean skin flute!

I don't  cause  if I did I'd remove myself  from this  message board.

Ultimately I judge it by entertainment value.

As an entertainer many years ago he was worthless to me. Now that he's getting older and crazier he's finally entertaining. If he's saying stuff like this now at the age of 60, I can't wait to see what he's doing in ten years. I mean, he's already ripe for Betty White's Off Their Rockers.

Yeah, I've always appreciated that logic. Somebody does something you despise and so you become your enemy. Makes perfect sense.
 :lookingup:

That's an interesting way to look at thing.  I can't argue with that. 

An  eye for an eye, it's  in the Bible and Koran. :teddyr:

I follow neither of them, but I'm glad you've pointed out the similarities between the two. The problem with becoming your enemy is that one guilty party turns into two. Wouldn't you rather be better than that?

Well, he does have one of the more hilariously bad/awesome album covers of all time.  So he's not ALL bad.

(http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/t/ted-nugent/album-weekend-warriors.jpg)

I do think his attitude about vegetarians and meat eating is incredibly naive.  I've read a couple interviews where he's basically like, "we should all just hunt for our own meat!  That'd work!".   :lookingup:

Politically he comes across as nutty, though he's a competent writer if you ever try reading one of his articles.  That's more than most celebrities who try the political game.

I'd rather be alive, not 100 Million dead and 6Million in ovens, Stalin and Hitler respectively. You don't win over a bully by compromising.  

Since this is my last day before taking a break, I will offer one more comment.

Speak for yourself. I win people over all the time. Not by compromise, per se, but by challenging them to justify their actions. This includes bullies. Not always, of course, but to say that it isn't done is most certainly incorrect in my experience. Sometimes, of course, they just get so fed up with my talking that they walk away.  :teddyr:

So much for the Christian ideal of loving your enemies.

And "Don't look . . . Ethel!"
"The Streak"
"The Mississippi Squirrel Revival"
"Gitarzan"
"Bridget the Midget"
"Along Came Jones"

But, you're right. We're digressing.

Hey man-I was just talking metaphisically-I dont reaaly hate Ted Nugent.
He's from MICHIGAN.
And-I think most of his gun control opiouns are right.
I like his music too.
I just thought it was fun to rag him.
I usta work for him.
And-like Ted-I'm making excuses for what I said.
Ted-mean what you say and say what you mean.
a***ole.
He really is a rich a***ole.
Ok-I DO like his music-I DO respect his veiws.
But Ted Nugents are not legit.
He's a Michigan hillrat with too much money.
I know-Im a Michigan hillrat with no money.
Gimme some food offa your caged in hunting circus and well talk.
Other wise-f**k off.
And now I AM seious.

What is this guy's problem? really, he is like a troll, not Wyre style troll, but an a***ole troll. explain to me why he is such one?

I thought I was speaking for myself, no one else is here, someone there old freind giving you these ideas? :teddyr: Yes, I too win over many people, including bullies, but, some bullies, the political ones with huge armies who wil decapitate me and maybe you, well, I choose to not talk to them.

I'm not Christ and those I'm usually  fighting are not Christians or remotely following those ideals. See, This is logic. Have fun on your break.

Wait wait, am I understanding you right in thinking that you're implying the Christian idea of loving your enemy as yourself ONLY applies if your enemy is a fellow Christan?   :question:


I call shenanigans on this.  There's no way he'll end up in jail or die or leave the country if Obama gets re-elected.  I'd bet on it.

No, only if they are also following Christian ideals of forgiveness, they don't have to be Christians. It si amusing how many merciless killers  bring up one  line in the Bible when seeking mercy. I 'ain't'  Christ. What Nugent said was better than Alec Baldwin saying we should go over to Henry Hydes  house and stone  him AND his  fanily to death to the loud cheers  and laughter on David Letterman.

So, if your enemy doesn't also hold an ideal, you just drop it?  How is that in any way an "ideal", then, if you drop it when it is challenged? 


I only vaguely remember that, but was able to look it up.  What he said was if we were in certain other countries, what we *would* do is stone him and his family to death.  Then he started screaming and yelling after jumping up (he looked rather ridiculous), until Conan grabbed a respirator and put it on him at which point he sort of passed out.  It was obviously a set-up gag meant to be a joke.  Poor taste, yeah, but that's about the extent of it. 

Really, I wouldn't call what either of them said violence inciting.  Which is what actually matters.  So hey.   :cheers:

Yeah, shenanigans. I've heard the "if so-and-so is elected I'll leave the country" statement more times than I can count, and it's always b.s.

Well, when quotes  are chopped up, like you just did with my answer to you about the ideal of mercy, one  makes up answers to statements  not made by someone  they don't agree like in Nugents case.

 You have  details  down pact for something you vaguely remember. In any event, maybe, Ted Nugent  was  'joking', yeah, I think he was  joking, like Limbaugh. Let's just  say they're all joking.

I was hoping it was  true, when Bush was  re-elected  in 2004, half of Hollywierd  would be gone. But, alas, they have mostly stayed  and prospered. :teddyr:

Exactly. Rush Limbaugh did that bit in 2008 as well. I love it when the left and the right do equally stupid things. It confirms my message that they are two sides of the same coin.

It's  why I saved my money by canceling cable. :teddyr:

What a coincidence. That's exactly why I cancelled cable.




Wait. What?

I'm having a late lunch today, now,  a late breakfast around lunch is Brunch, so a late lunch around dinner would be Linner?

Or Lupper...depending what part of the country you live in. :teddyr: