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Title: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Fausto on May 22, 2012, 04:16:19 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2147928/Is-Batman-gay-Major-DC-Comics-character-come-closet.html


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: The Gravekeeper on May 22, 2012, 05:00:06 PM
Good for them. I look forward to the day when a character coming out of the closet isn't considered to be provocative enough to warrant press releases, though.

As for who it'll be, I seriously doubt it'll be Superman or Batman. They've more or less learned not to mess around too much with their cash cows.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 22, 2012, 05:02:23 PM
Goodness knows everything HAS to be about sex . . .


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: El Misfit on May 22, 2012, 05:12:46 PM
Goodness knows everything HAS to be about sex . . .

ehhh? :question:


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: RCMerchant on May 22, 2012, 05:38:37 PM
I'm guessing....hmmm....Robin.
Mebbe Wonder Woman.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Fausto on May 22, 2012, 06:12:12 PM
Goodness knows everything HAS to be about sex . . .

 Yeah, really, it's not like gay people have committed relationships that would have an impact on story arcs the way straight superheroes have...  :lookingup:


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: AndyC on May 22, 2012, 07:06:27 PM
As for who it'll be, I seriously doubt it'll be Superman or Batman. They've more or less learned not to mess around too much with their cash cows.

True, both are too iconic and lucrative to take chances with. Besides that, Superman's ongoing thing with Lois is too integral to his story to mess up by making him openly gay.

As for Batman, fans already make jokes about his young, tight-wearing male wards. Nobody is going to do anything that would invite more speculation of that nature.

Of course, if they go too far down the pecking order, this won't mean a whole lot.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: RCMerchant on May 23, 2012, 03:49:41 AM
Marvel and Archie comics did it first....

Marvel had the RAWHIDE KID gay in 2003....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rawhide_Kid

Archie comics had a gay charecter in 2010....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Keller

So this is not something groundbreaking.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Mofo Rising on May 23, 2012, 03:57:21 AM
C'mon, DC, who cares?

For those who don't read comics, DC recently rebooted their entire timeline. 70 years of comic history is now gone for their new lineup.

At any rate, it won't be Superman. He's Superman. Batman is basically asexual, but you couldn't make him gay because the Robin thing would be a little bit too awful. Wonder Woman? Too easy.

Seems like another gimmick to me. Openly gay superheroes have not been news for a while. Northstar from Alpha Flight came out in the late '90s, and that would have been news if anybody cared about Alpha Flight. Grant Morrison, during his incredibly popular run on the X-Men in the early 2000s wrote the Beast as gay. (A Marvel comic, of course.)

In fact, the Wildstorm Universe has had two characters, Apollo and the Midnighter, who are carbon copies of Superman and Batman and have been in a committed gay relationship for years.

I'd actually find it more interesting if they actually presented a character as gay as a natural part of the story instead of crowing about it. We're at that point, right?


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Psycho Circus on May 23, 2012, 07:36:40 AM
Goodness knows everything HAS to be about sex . . .

ehhh? :question:

Oh for pete's sake!  :lookingup:

After decades of story writing based in and out of real life, were you so naive to think something like this wouldn't come up?? Get a grip Indy, gay people are everywhere and they aren't hurting anybody, especially you (it isn't just about "sex"). If you don't like the fact that a comic book has a gay character then don't bloody well read it!


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: AndyC on May 23, 2012, 07:52:28 AM
I suppose the difference here is that it's DC and they're planning to do it with (I assume) one of their well-established heroes and not some second-stringer from a title only committed fans are even familiar with. That's something new.

I do see the contradiction in saying on the one hand that gay people are normal enough to include in this way, then tooting their horns for being so progressive. I think it's a good idea, but making it out to be a gutsy move on DC's part kind of undermines the rationale behind it. It's like that Seinfeld episode where Jerry and George were freaking out because people thought they were gay, then adding "Not that there's anything wrong with that." Saying something is no big deal, but making a big deal of it.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: El Misfit on May 23, 2012, 08:39:00 AM
I really don't see a problem with this, esp. if Batman specifically choose Robin's out fit, which really screams campy and gay at the same time. Basically, it's nothing new, and really, nobody should get bent out of shape for this.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 23, 2012, 05:30:16 PM
I don't see a reason for it. They shuold just create a new gay character. Pink Lightening


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: JoeTheDestroyer on May 23, 2012, 06:46:17 PM
This also isn't new for DC, technically.  They've had lesbian versions of Bat Girl.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: JoeTheDestroyer on May 23, 2012, 06:48:21 PM
Scratch that, Batwoman.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: JaseSF on May 23, 2012, 06:55:36 PM
For some reason I expect it to be Green Lantern. Don't know why.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 23, 2012, 07:32:37 PM
For some reason I expect it to be Green Lantern. Don't know why.
RYAN REYNOLDS
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Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: tracy on May 24, 2012, 12:58:14 PM
I dunno....I've had a number of gay friends and it seems to me that when they come out every aspect of their lives is about being gay. I just don't think that this is necessary. Every aspect about my life isn't about being heterosexual....that's just how I am and it is a part of me. I don't organize heterosexual pride parades or try to demonstrate how straight I am. I think this is a personal thing between you,God and your partner/lover/spouse. Personally,I think homosexuality is wrong but I have known some lovely gay folks who were quite dear to me. I didn't pry onto their lives and they did me the same courtesy. I say that if DC has to do this then create a new character instead of messing up a well-known one.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: AndyC on May 24, 2012, 01:50:28 PM
I dunno....I've had a number of gay friends and it seems to me that when they come out every aspect of their lives is about being gay.

I think that has a lot to do with finally getting it out in the open. They've concealed it for years, and feared what people might think if it came out. So, when they finally let go of that burden, I'm sure it just feels great to talk openly about it and assert that formerly hidden part of themselves. I completely understand that. Coming out is a big deal because people consider being gay to be a big deal. If the rest of us just accepted these people and let them be, they'd respond accordingly and just be. I used to complain about pride parades, until I got to thinking that they only exist because many people, both straight and gay, see homosexuality as something embarrassing and shameful and worthy of hiding. Take away gay shame and gay pride will go with it.

I'm actually amazed at the dramatic about-face I've done on this issue in the last year or two, and I'm not entirely sure what precipitated it.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: RCMerchant on May 24, 2012, 04:48:41 PM
I dunno....I've had a number of gay friends and it seems to me that when they come out every aspect of their lives is about being gay. I just don't think that this is necessary. Every aspect about my life isn't about being heterosexual....that's just how I am and it is a part of me. I don't organize heterosexual pride parades or try to demonstrate how straight I am. I think this is a personal thing between you,God and your partner/lover/spouse. Personally,I think homosexuality is wrong but I have known some lovely gay folks who were quite dear to me. I didn't pry onto their lives and they did me the same courtesy. I say that if DC has to do this then create a new character instead of messing up a well-known one.

I agree with most of that statement...except for "I think it's wrong" part.
It's wrong for me....but it may be right for someone else.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Raffine on May 24, 2012, 06:00:22 PM
My guess:

AQUAMAN

He's been around a long time and is well established, but still not quite as ingrained and beloved in the public mind as the likes of Superman and Batman. As far as I know Aquaman just swims around under the sea and sends out psychic vibrations to whales and fishies. DC always seems to be trying to reinvent the character, anyway.



Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Psycho Circus on May 24, 2012, 07:14:07 PM
I just don't think that this is necessary. Every aspect about my life isn't about being heterosexual....that's just how I am and it is a part of me. I don't organize heterosexual pride parades or try to demonstrate how straight I am. I think this is a personal thing between you,God and your partner/lover/spouse. Personally,I think homosexuality is wrong

They have those parades to defy small-minded people like you. If it's so wrong, then let your god judge them and keep your ignorant, blinkered views to yourself.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: RCMerchant on May 24, 2012, 08:10:25 PM
I think homosexuality is wrong but I have known some lovely gay folks who were quite dear to me.


So-if they were lovely,dear to you people-what's wrong with them?
If two people love each other-wtf is wrong with that?
Do they say it is WRONG for you to be hetrosexual?
NO. They just want to be accepted-without fear of being harrased,discriminated against,to marry-to live their lives-like everyone else. And so called "normal" people treat them like sub-humans.
THAT is WRONG.

I believe some people are just afraid-of their way of life being changed-they can't accept the fact that people who don't hold there views on politics,religion,sexual preferance-if they speak a strange language or have differn't cultures-if they dress funny, dont listen to the same music,pierce their faces or what have you-its frighting to them.
And frightened people are dangerous people.
I'm not homosexual-but it doesn't scare me-I dont understand their sexual preference-but if it makes them happy without harming others-so what?

Like the Beatles say-LET IT BE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFonBtPz06U&feature=related


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: AndyC on May 24, 2012, 09:41:49 PM
I believe some people are just afraid-of their way of life being changed-they can't accept the fact that people who don't hold there views on politics,religion,sexual preferance-if they speak a strange language or have differn't cultures-if they dress funny, dont listen to the same music,pierce their faces or what have you-its frighting to them.

That's pretty much the way I see it. People want to feel safe about their place in the world, and have life follow clear-cut rules. They want to know who to look up to, and they especially want someone they can look down on. They want the security of an orderly world, preferably one where they are normal and their way of life is the right way. When people start changing the rules, acknowledging that there might be more than one right way to do things, maybe treating their favourite pariahs like human beings, it threatens their place in the natural order as they see it. That scares the crap out of some people.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 24, 2012, 09:45:23 PM
I don't doubt that some people feel that way.
However, for the committed Christian, we simply either have a choice of rejecting the Book we have built our entire faith around, or reject homosexuality as a moral behavior.  I don't hate homosexuals or fear them, but at the same time, I don't believe that their behavior is something God approves of.  But I still believe He loves them.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Psycho Circus on May 25, 2012, 07:03:23 AM
I don't doubt that some people feel that way.
However, for the committed Christian, we simply either have a choice of rejecting the Book we have built our entire faith around, or reject homosexuality as a moral behavior.  I don't hate homosexuals or fear them, but at the same time, I don't believe that their behavior is something God approves of.  But I still believe He loves them.

Ah, typical contradictory Christianity. Can't "reject the book we have built our entire faith on", yet cherry pick from that book to suit your particular lifestyles.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: AndyC on May 25, 2012, 11:25:35 AM
I don't doubt that some people feel that way.
However, for the committed Christian, we simply either have a choice of rejecting the Book we have built our entire faith around, or reject homosexuality as a moral behavior.  I don't hate homosexuals or fear them, but at the same time, I don't believe that their behavior is something God approves of.  But I still believe He loves them.

Ah, typical contradictory Christianity. Can't "reject the book we have built our entire faith on", yet cherry pick from that book to suit your particular lifestyles.

To be fair, not all Christians subscribe to an all-or-nothing philosophy, or consider the Bible a divine rule book to be followed to the letter under any circumstances (whether in theory or in practice).

But let's take a look at what is in that book. The Bible says very little about homosexuality, but it says a ton about treating others with respect. To me, the most important principles in the Bible are to treat other people as you would have them treat you, judge not lest ye be judged, let him that is without sin cast the first stone, focus not on the mote in your brother's eye while ignoring the beam in your own, and so on. Those are core Christian principles, and trump any of the older bits that contradict them.

And some of those older bits are open to interpretation as well. There are parts of the Bible that have, over the years, been poorly translated, taken out of their historical context, or just interpreted in ways that best fit people's own biases. And I think there are parts of it that cannot be taken literally, and parts that have grown, for want of a better word, obsolete. I can never understand how people can call the Bible "the living word" while treating it as a dead, stagnant thing that doesn't grow with us.


Title: Captain Marvelous?
Post by: Raffine on May 25, 2012, 12:01:49 PM
Captain Marvel, maybe?

"Shazam!" seems like a real gay thing to say.

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t214/morrisawilliams/marvelous.jpg)


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: tracy on May 25, 2012, 12:09:03 PM
I just don't think that this is necessary. Every aspect about my life isn't about being heterosexual....that's just how I am and it is a part of me. I don't organize heterosexual pride parades or try to demonstrate how straight I am. I think this is a personal thing between you,God and your partner/lover/spouse. Personally,I think homosexuality is wrong

They have those parades to defy small-minded people like you. If it's so wrong, then let your god judge them and keep your ignorant, blinkered views to yourself.

Actually,I believe that I am allowed to have my opinions....I wouldn't say such a thing to you. I don't wish harm to anyone and I believe that whether you are gay or not is between you and God. I can like someone as a person while still disagreeing with their lifestyle. I have never had a gay friend hate me because I am straight and I would not hate them because they are gay. I don't think I am small-minded....just different-minded as they are they. And gay folks don't scare me.....sometimes they worry me but that is usually on an individual basis. I'm kind of not really interested in anyone's sexual dealings....we don't have enough privacy anymore.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 25, 2012, 12:35:04 PM
I just don't think that this is necessary. Every aspect about my life isn't about being heterosexual....that's just how I am and it is a part of me. I don't organize heterosexual pride parades or try to demonstrate how straight I am. I think this is a personal thing between you,God and your partner/lover/spouse. Personally,I think homosexuality is wrong

They have those parades to defy small-minded people like you. If it's so wrong, then let your god judge them and keep your ignorant, blinkered views to yourself.
Actually,I believe that I am allowed to have my opinions....I wouldn't say such a thing to you. I don't wish harm to anyone and I believe that whether you are gay or not is between you and God. I can like someone as a person while still disagreeing with their lifestyle. I have never had a gay friend hate me because I am straight and I would not hate them because they are gay. I don't think I am small-minded....just different-minded as they are they. And gay folks don't scare me.....sometimes they worry me but that is usually on an individual basis. I'm kind of not really interested in anyone's sexual dealings....we don't have enough privacy anymore.
Y'know what?  Circus isn't gay - not by a long shot - but he does wear his hair long and has been known to indulge in makeup.  I realize you did not imply such, but I think it's worth setting the record straight; he knows what it's like to be singled out, perceived one way or another, and disparaged for same.  The man has guts. 


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: tracy on May 25, 2012, 12:47:31 PM
I just don't think that this is necessary. Every aspect about my life isn't about being heterosexual....that's just how I am and it is a part of me. I don't organize heterosexual pride parades or try to demonstrate how straight I am. I think this is a personal thing between you,God and your partner/lover/spouse. Personally,I think homosexuality is wrong

They have those parades to defy small-minded people like you. If it's so wrong, then let your god judge them and keep your ignorant, blinkered views to yourself.
Actually,I believe that I am allowed to have my opinions....I wouldn't say such a thing to you. I don't wish harm to anyone and I believe that whether you are gay or not is between you and God. I can like someone as a person while still disagreeing with their lifestyle. I have never had a gay friend hate me because I am straight and I would not hate them because they are gay. I don't think I am small-minded....just different-minded as they are they. And gay folks don't scare me.....sometimes they worry me but that is usually on an individual basis. I'm kind of not really interested in anyone's sexual dealings....we don't have enough privacy anymore.
Y'know what?  Circus isn't gay - not by a long shot - but he does wear his hair long and has been known to indulge in makeup.  I realize you did not imply such, but I think it's worth setting the record straight; he knows what it's like to be singled out, perceived one way or another, and disparaged for same.  The man has guts. 
I realize that....and I think it's just fine that he has the guts to look anyway he wants. I have been singled out as well....a good number of people have treated me badly because I am a short,dumpy woman who doesn't have model looks or seems well-off.. I have customers not even talk to me but will speak if someone they approve of shows up. I certainly will apologize if I have offended anyone because I never meant to but my religious views are my personal ones and not spoken to hurt.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: alandhopewell on May 25, 2012, 01:46:55 PM
I don't doubt that some people feel that way.
However, for the committed Christian, we simply either have a choice of rejecting the Book we have built our entire faith around, or reject homosexuality as a moral behavior.  I don't hate homosexuals or fear them, but at the same time, I don't believe that their behavior is something God approves of.  But I still believe He loves them.

Ah, typical contradictory Christianity. Can't "reject the book we have built our entire faith on", yet cherry pick from that book to suit your particular lifestyles.

     Not so; there are behaviors (symptoms of sin) that I have, that God does not love, and I'm aware of them, and would rather not have them in my life. However, I am also aware that God loves me, and died and rose again to pay for the sin of ALL.

     Those who "cherry pick from that book" are NOT Christians....to quote our Lord, they are hypocrites. Personally, I probably find them just as distasteful as you do.

      In the interest of transparency, I am, or have been

A liar
a fornicator
a thief
an addict
a homosexual
a practicioner of the occult
a bully
and other things. I hate this sin in my life, and some of it God has helped me with. Some, like my temper and my roving eye (and my smart mouth) I still struggle with. Still, He died for those, as well.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 25, 2012, 01:54:49 PM
I've never tried to hide my religious views from anyone on this forum - just the opposite in fact.
Circus, you and I have enough history that I think it fair to say we know each other (somewhat).
Many Christians make way too big a deal about homosexuality - maybe not as much as the Westboro cult,
but they tend to give it more attention than it deserves.  I know my way around the book pretty well, and
I can say that homosexual behavior, whenever it is mentioned in the Scripture, is condemned.  In both Testaments.
That being said, the Bible is far more harsh in its condemnation of many other behaviors.

I think the "cherrypicking" comment a bit broad.  There are some examples of "rightly dividing the word of truth."
For example, the sacrificial and ceremonial laws in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy were given to
the ancient, theocratic nation of Israel, and are not meant to be binding upon Christ's church today.  That is what
Paul referred to in Romans when he talked about not being "under law, but under grace."  But the  moral and ethical teachings of Christ are as binding upon His followers today as they were when He uttered them.  Any church that rejects that truth does so at its peril.

In the spirit of tolerance, I think it is perhaps best to recognize that there are some very divergent opinions here.  I don't think Tracy deserved the harshness of tone you directed at her for expressing an opinion in what is, after all, a discussion forum where differences of opinion always have and always will exist.  Peace, brother!


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Raffine on May 25, 2012, 03:53:55 PM
Maybe it's Swamp Thing.

He can call himself "Swamp Thang".  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Mofo Rising on May 25, 2012, 04:50:43 PM
Maybe it's Swamp Thing.

He can call himself "Swamp Thang".  :bouncegiggle:


I think the Marvel version would still be better suited for that role. Check out the name of his comic:

(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/12950-2684-14522-1-giant-size-man-thing_large.jpg)


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Raffine on May 25, 2012, 05:28:19 PM
I think the Marvel version would still be better suited for that role. Check out the name of his comic:

([url]http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/12950-2684-14522-1-giant-size-man-thing_large.jpg[/url])


Don't google that!!!   :buggedout:


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Psycho Circus on May 25, 2012, 06:08:42 PM
I stand by what I said. I fully understand your beliefs and I agree with the positives Andy C  pointed out regarding the teachings of the bible, but I will never back down over discrimination when it comes to gender, sexual preference, skin colour, handicaps etc due to religious leanings. I try to and wish everyone else would just let others lead their own lives. I make my own judgements, I don't need a book to help me do that.

There was no need to make daft or stereotypical homophobic comments over the plot of a comic book for crying out loud! That is why it irked me so. If you have faith in something, that's great, but don't let it get you bent out of shape over the real life day-to-day goings on of modern society.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: RCMerchant on May 25, 2012, 06:13:56 PM
Fact ofthe matter is: I used to be religious.
Untill I realized most religious people have all this hateful baggage. And don't give me your cover story-"I have to obey the Bible".
Thats like saying-I beleive that Islam said your wrong-or I that Charlie Manson said your wrong.
BREAK AWAY. THINK FOR YOURSELF.
f**k what what your 'religion" says.
Its an escuse for your predjudice.
FREE YOUR SELF.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57OZDh6VrJY


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Newt on May 25, 2012, 06:25:52 PM
If you have faith in something, that's great, but don't let it get you bent out of shape over the real life day-to-day goings on of modern society.

In all fairness, Circus, it may not be possible for some people to make that separation.  Their belief is supposed to guide them through "the real life day-to-day goings on of modern society" and, in addition, turning a blind eye may not be an option for them.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: RCMerchant on May 25, 2012, 06:55:00 PM
If you have faith in something, that's great, but don't let it get you bent out of shape over the real life day-to-day goings on of modern society.

In all fairness, Circus, it may not be possible for some people to make that separation.  Their belief is supposed to guide them through "the real life day-to-day goings on of modern society" and, in addition, turning a blind eye may not be an option for them.
I love ya Newt-but I agree with Circus.
If your religion is based on love-and you do a 2-face and say-"I hate them but i love them.-what the f**k is that all about?
Its not that they are PHYSICALLY hurting anybody-but that attitude is what started the National Socialist Party.
Prejudice is evil. And I acn understand if they were a military threat.
But-DAM.
I don't think a parade of drag queens is going to upsurp your country.
Theyre here-theye queer-they aint going away.
Get used to it. Quit being a p***y. Dont be so insecure.
And NO-thats not pulling the "Nazi" card...thats just true.

See what happens? I started my debate on this sober-now Im drunk-and I still think I make sense. Nah-I aint a bleeding heart. Im an anarchishst.
The LAST thing folks should be worried about is the queers.
Look at the big picture.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 25, 2012, 08:01:42 PM
Maybe it's Swamp Thing.

He can call himself "Swamp Thang".  :bouncegiggle:
:bouncegiggle: Now yer outta control!!! 
Can I join in?
I heard BRAINIAC has a thing for SUPERMAN...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/SupermanCv219.jpg/250px-SupermanCv219.jpg)


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 25, 2012, 08:09:06 PM
... In the interest of transparency, I am, or have been...a homosexual...
You were a homosexual?   :question:


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 25, 2012, 10:28:52 PM
I get where you're coming from, Ronnie - really.
But the thing is, I don't love someone, and then hate them.  Those who do that are missing the whole point of Christianity.  GOD LOVES HOMOSEXUALS, just as he loves all others who sin.  Loved them enough that He was willing to let Himself be sacrificed in the most brutal fashion imaginable to save them from the moral sewer they had fallen into.

But He doesn't love the sewer.

Circus, friend, if you have faith but don't let it affect the way you live or react to the real world, then you don't really have any faith at all.  A faith that doesn't change you to some extent is meaningless.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: JaseSF on May 25, 2012, 11:01:17 PM
Y'know it surprises me this could stir up people so. Homosexuality is a part of our world and has a long history. It's not going to disappear and really it doesn't matter than much to me what people decide to do in their own private lives (although obviously people should use wisdom and be safe when engaging with different partners). We've had gay marriage here now for several years and it doesn't seem like any big deal at all to most people I know. So DC just wants to have a major character reflect a portion of the population. I see nothing wrong with that as long as it involves two legal consenting adults.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Fausto on May 26, 2012, 12:32:25 AM
First of all, I never intended to stir up this kind of debate, but since it has, I feel the need to weigh in on this issue. I had to think long and hard about my response, and, well, this is it. I'm sure I'll have any number of disagreements, but this is how I feel. I should also mention that, as a Unitarian Universalist Pagan, I have sincere respect for Christianity, as I do all spiritual paths, though there are aspects of it I take issue with.  So here it goes:

Cultures (which can mean anything from groups of countries, such as Europe, all the way down to a few friends) define themselves not only by what they are, but what they are not. In order to support itself, a culture must create a set of social norms by which its members live by, an individual’s membership dependent upon adherence to said norms. Both Christianity and heterosexuality are cultures in and of themselves, both with expectations and taboos that its respective members are expected to follow; those who deviate from these norms are seen as abject and contaminating.  The word deviate simply means to separate, to go in a different direction. The negative connotations of the word and its various forms (deviance, deviant, etc) reflect society’s unease with those who refuse to abide by norms, regardless of whether said norms – of gender, appearance, behavior, religion, what have you – have any real practical or moral value. The problem with these sorts of taboos is that breaking them seemingly threatens the identity of the society, because to allow them to be broken undermines the definition of what the society is or is not.  In response, the culture will create sanctions to protect itself from perceived danger; this happens on both a macro-cosmic (legislation banning gay marriage) and micro-cosmic (someone spray-painting the word “faggot” on the windshield of a person’s car) level.

Let’s take, for example, a group of seven year old boys. They are neighbors, go to the same public school, and regularly hang out together. They decide to form a club, in which they regularly meet, play games, and do the sort of things that seven year old boys do. They decide to make a list of club rules in order to maintain a sense of group cohesion and conformity. Naturally, this includes the typical “NO GIRLS ALLOWED!”

One day, a new neighbor moves in, a seven year old girl. She makes friends with one of the boys, and wants to join the club. Should she be allowed to join?  Changes would have to be made. First off, the rules, which the boys swore they would never change under penalty of wedgies. What if she wanted to do sissy stuff? What if they ended up talking like her, acting like her, playing like her?  What would people outside the club think? If she joined, in what sense would it be a Boy’s club?

There’s no proof that anything would have changed all that much (she may well have been a tomboy), but the perceived threat of being contaminated by an outside force – of having to compromise their own self image – is enough for them to declare her an undesirable, abject and disgusting (“girls…eeew!”).  It’s not enough that she is refused acceptance in their community; the individual members must each continue to reject her, making her the butt of jokes, picking on her, inoculating themselves with cooties shots as an amulet against her evil, in order to prove to each other their own sense of belonging.  It is this need to justify one’s place in a group that lies at the root of bigotry.

The disgust of gay behaviors is a learned trait; it is seen as filthy and unnatural not only because it flies in the face of the social norms you were raised on but also because admitting otherwise would make you yourself an acceptable target for bigotry (“I ain’t a goddamn queer!”). Thing is, the reason that heterosexuals cannot relate to homosexuals is because homosexuality is not a choice, any more than heterosexuality is. This is why it’s so easy to hate gays: their attraction to those of the same sex makes no sense precisely because it does not and cannot evoke the same sort of arousal, and since you can’t relate to that, and it doesn’t affect you personally, you have nothing to lose by oppressing them.  However, a person cannot change what their body finds itself physically aroused by, it doesn’t work that way, and no amount of “praying the gay away” is ever going to fix that, nor should it have to be “fixed” at all. It is simply the way things are, and if you can’t accept that, then that’s your own failing, and no one else’s.

Short of spending the rest of their lives celibate and alone (in other words, trying to appease God by atoning for the way he supposedly made them), there is no way for gays to be accepted by Christianity as a whole, unless Christians finally wake up and realize the errors in their beliefs.

If he or she is in the room, or a picture is nearby, right now take a look at your significant other. Imagine being told that your relationship with this person, even if you are allowed to continue it, is an abomination, according to the scripture of a religion that you don’t even practice. As a penalty, you are not allowed to talk or show that you love and care about this person because someone somewhere might be offended by it. You lose friends and family because they cannot abide by this disgusting relationship you choose to have, despite it having no real lasting effect on their lives whatsoever. What would you do?
 


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Mofo Rising on May 26, 2012, 03:37:35 AM
I get where you're coming from, Ronnie - really.
But the thing is, I don't love someone, and then hate them.  Those who do that are missing the whole point of Christianity.  GOD LOVES HOMOSEXUALS, just as he loves all others who sin.  Loved them enough that He was willing to let Himself be sacrificed in the most brutal fashion imaginable to save them from the moral sewer they had fallen into.

But He doesn't love the sewer.

Circus, friend, if you have faith but don't let it affect the way you live or react to the real world, then you don't really have any faith at all.  A faith that doesn't change you to some extent is meaningless.

indianasmith, I hope I've made it clear that I hold you in the highest respect, even if I don't respect all (or most) of your beliefs. I know you won't, but please don't construe the rest of what I'm about to say as an attack on you, just a respectful disagreement.

My first point, not all branches of Christianity hold homosexuality as a sin. I'm not even interested in discussing the many varieties of Christianity as regards to this topic, but since the topic has veered this way... It is true that the issue of homosexuality is not viewed with any sort of consistency by the many types of Christianity that exist in the world today. Your brand of Christianity insists that is a perversion of what God wants, and believe me I fully understand how that would be a no-go for you. But that's not the only narrative that exists.

This next part is more difficult, because it is an affront to your beliefs. Please understand that I know you are somebody that does not hold any hate in your heart.

I view homosexuality as a perfectly natural phenomenon. There is a lot more to homosexuality than an obsession with who sticks whose parts into who. All that is present any relationship is there in most homosexual relationships, regardless of whether that is male/female, male/male, or female/female. It's perfectly natural for a species that is in heat all the time.

However, if there is not a cosmic intelligence proclaiming it's a sin, then then the agitprop against it isn't a moral imperative. It's just you telling people that you think they should go to Hell for what they're doing. If there isn't a cosmic law, then describing people's lives as a sewer is indescribably awful. You meaning well only makes it worse.

I know where you're coming from, believe me, but your point of view is incredibly damaging. Not all of us agree, not even those who identify themselves as Christian.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Newt on May 26, 2012, 06:41:00 AM
I think Indy said it well here:
if you have faith but don't let it affect the way you live or react to the real world, then you don't really have any faith at all.

All I was attempting to point out was that it really is not a 'choice' for Christians of certain flavours, either.  If you are going to extend tolerance to everyone and all lifestyles, then you MUST include tolerating them as they are as well.  It's all or nothing folks.  Telling Christians they are wrong and so on is equally as intolerable as telling gays they are wrong.  Either way you are singling out a group you disagree with and telling them they should not be as they are.  Can't do that for one and not the other.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: RCMerchant on May 26, 2012, 06:42:47 AM
OK-this discussion veered waaay off from the original comic book thing.
Thing is-if comic books didn't evolve with the times-we'd still have stuff like this-

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/RCMerchant/1489535-157_super.jpg)

Will Eisner's the SPIRIT is one of my favorite comics of all time. But his sterotype charecter Ebony White is quite disturbing.

Comics evolve and become more mature about the human condition as WE mature. And it should reflect that. Kids read comics. Showing them that homosexuals are not all a bunch of poofy princing clowns -even in the sometimes clumsy way DC is doing it-should be applauded.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: RCMerchant on May 26, 2012, 06:54:49 AM
I think Indy said it well here:
if you have faith but don't let it affect the way you live or react to the real world, then you don't really have any faith at all.

All I was attempting to point out was that it really is not a 'choice' for Christians of certain flavours, either.  If you are going to extend tolerance to everyone and all lifestyles, then you MUST include tolerating them as they are as well.  It's all or nothing folks.  Telling Christians they are wrong and so on is equally as intolerable as telling gays they are wrong.  Either way you are singling out a group you disagree with and telling them they should not be as they are.  Can't do that for one and not the other.

Your right.
Except I don't jihaas or Crusade for my beliefs. I dont crucify or burn folks at the stake. I dont say there going to hell. To be honest-my opinion-you go too far right or left is just narrow minded.There is room for us all on this dirtball planet.
Why fight?
I do believe Christ taught tolerence.
Practice what you preach.
Me?
I never claimed to be a good guy.
I'm a drunk.
I dont care. Heaven and Hell mean nothing to me.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 26, 2012, 07:00:00 AM
Newt, thanks for that comment.  You make the point I was trying to make better than I did.
Mofo, I appreciate all your kind words, and I do recognize that there are many flavors and permutations of Christianity. Some have embraced the gay lifestyle and even ordain and marry homosexuals.  However, they can only do that by DENYING that the Bible is God's inspired word.  If I believe that the Bible is true when it says that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for my sinful nature, then I also have to believe it is true when it says homosexuality is immoral.  And, ultimately, when it  comes down to it, I would rather believe in the Word of God than the word of men.  As for whether or not homosexuality is inborn or learned, I think that, while desire may be innate to a degree, I believe that all behavior is ultimately chosen.  And I do believe it is possible for a person to leave the gay lifestyle permanently.

RC, you are my friend, and it's good that you are redirecthing this thread to its original topic. The only thing I will say in contradiction to your last post is that Christ taught love, not tolerance.  When they brought him the woman taken in the act of adultery, He drove off her accusers and forgave her.  But He did not say "Go and sleep around some more."  He said "Go and sin no more."  As far as the original topic goes . . .. I am not an advocate of censorship, and DC is free to publish whatever they want, just as I am free to purchase it . . . or not.  


Now I am going arrowhead hunting.  Toodles!


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: RCMerchant on May 26, 2012, 07:09:14 AM


that Christ taught love, not tolerance.  




WTF does that mean? What? (http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/RCMerchant/dunno.gif)
I guess I'm evil.
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Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Psycho Circus on May 26, 2012, 10:07:00 AM
This is still all a load of blinkered bullsh!t, and "moral sewer"?   :lookingup:


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: alandhopewell on May 26, 2012, 11:55:54 AM
If you have faith in something, that's great, but don't let it get you bent out of shape over the real life day-to-day goings on of modern society.

In all fairness, Circus, it may not be possible for some people to make that separation.  Their belief is supposed to guide them through "the real life day-to-day goings on of modern society" and, in addition, turning a blind eye may not be an option for them.
I love ya Newt-but I agree with Circus.
If your religion is based on love-and you do a 2-face and say-"I hate them but i love them.-what the f**k is that all about?
Its not that they are PHYSICALLY hurting anybody-but that attitude is what started the National Socialist Party.
Prejudice is evil. And I acn understand if they were a military threat.
But-DAM.
I don't think a parade of drag queens is going to upsurp your country.
Theyre here-theye queer-they aint going away.
Get used to it. Quit being a p***y. Dont be so insecure.
And NO-thats not pulling the "Nazi" card...thats just true.

See what happens? I started my debate on this sober-now Im drunk-and I still think I make sense. Nah-I aint a bleeding heart. Im an anarchishst.
The LAST thing folks should be worried about is the queers.
Look at the big picture.

     It's not about hating people, but behaviors.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: tracy on May 26, 2012, 11:57:12 AM
I get where you're coming from, Ronnie - really.
But the thing is, I don't love someone, and then hate them.  Those who do that are missing the whole point of Christianity.  GOD LOVES HOMOSEXUALS, just as he loves all others who sin.  Loved them enough that He was willing to let Himself be sacrificed in the most brutal fashion imaginable to save them from the moral sewer they had fallen into.

But He doesn't love the sewer.

Circus, friend, if you have faith but don't let it affect the way you live or react to the real world, then you don't really have any faith at all.  A faith that doesn't change you to some extent is meaningless.
Yes....very well put. And please believe me that I do not hate anyone who is gay.  And I do realize that homosexuality is here to stay....right now it's one of our lesser worries. I'd say getting this nation back to work to repair this sad economy is much more important. Social issues,no matter how important,are often used to divide and comquer by folks who have others agendas in  mind. But I must stick with my faith in such matters....which is indeed thinking for myself. :smile:


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: alandhopewell on May 26, 2012, 12:07:33 PM
... In the interest of transparency, I am, or have been...a homosexual...
You were a homosexual?   :question:

     There was a period of my life, from my mid-teens until my thirties, when I believed myself to be homosexual. It would take entirely too long to go into WHY I believed this; suffice it to say that I lived the life, and accepted it. Over time, I came to understand that this was not truly "me".

     During that time, I made many friends who are homosexual, and found family members who were in the life. I've not seen any of them in many a year (I moved away from my hometown), but I would still recieve them as friends, and respect them as
 human beings.

     However, if asked, I would tell even them that I believe homosexuality to be a sin. Not an excuse to hate, harm, or marginalize another person, but a sin.

     I have sin    we all do.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: alandhopewell on May 26, 2012, 12:15:40 PM
OK-this discussion veered waaay off from the original comic book thing.
Thing is-if comic books didn't evolve with the times-we'd still have stuff like this-

([url]http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/RCMerchant/1489535-157_super.jpg[/url])

Will Eisner's the SPIRIT is one of my favorite comics of all time. But his sterotype charecter Ebony White is quite disturbing.

Comics evolve and become more mature about the human condition as WE mature. And it should reflect that. Kids read comics. Showing them that homosexuals are not all a bunch of poofy princing clowns -even in the sometimes clumsy way DC is doing it-should be applauded.


     As a man of partial negroid genetics, I never found Ebony White disturbing. So he spoke thus....so what? He was a fully realized character, who sometimes had more of a hand in solving a case than Denny Colt did.

     Better that than some of the nihilistic urban gyrations that pass for "black" today.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: RCMerchant on May 26, 2012, 05:22:36 PM
OK-this discussion veered waaay off from the original comic book thing.
Thing is-if comic books didn't evolve with the times-we'd still have stuff like this-

([url]http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/RCMerchant/1489535-157_super.jpg[/url])

Will Eisner's the SPIRIT is one of my favorite comics of all time. But his sterotype charecter Ebony White is quite disturbing.

Comics evolve and become more mature about the human condition as WE mature. And it should reflect that. Kids read comics. Showing them that homosexuals are not all a bunch of poofy princing clowns -even in the sometimes clumsy way DC is doing it-should be applauded.


     As a man of partial negroid genetics, I never found Ebony White disturbing. So he spoke thus....so what? He was a fully realized character, who sometimes had more of a hand in solving a case than Denny Colt did.

     Better that than some of the nihilistic urban gyrations that pass for "black" today.

THAT I agree with-he was always depicted in a good light-but the boot lip minstel type drawing-and his speach was defintitly very srereotypical "yes massah" mode.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 26, 2012, 05:37:22 PM
RC, you are my friend, and it's good that you are redirecthing this thread to its original topic. The only thing I will say in contradiction to your last post is that Christ taught love, not tolerance.  When they brought him the woman taken in the act of adultery, He drove off her accusers and forgave her.  But He did not say "Go and sleep around some more."  He said "Go and sin no more..."
JESUS also said "...give to CAESAR what is CAESAR's..." and I know the rest, but that's enough.  The Romans were dominators, oppressors, rapists and killers.  JESUS most definitely preached tolerance.   Sometimes, he chose to give good advice.

...As a man of partial negroid genetics, I never found Ebony White disturbing. So he spoke thus....so what? He was a fully realized character, who sometimes had more of a hand in solving a case than Denny Colt did.

     Better that than some of the nihilistic urban gyrations that pass for "black" today.
I do appreciate your candor; which early on I had mistaken for a kind of racism.  I think there are problems in "Black" America that are cultural... and probably in "Gay" America, too.  Just about ANY America I think of as a matter of fact.  And of course you've shared some of your heritage with us, even your photo. 
Yet, I feel sad.  Why do I feel you are hating on yourself?   :bluesad:


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 26, 2012, 06:35:28 PM
"give to Caesar what is Caesar's . . ."

I always thought that meant to respect and obey the government.

Anyways, looks like everyone has pretty much stated where they stand on this issue, one way or the other. 
I'm always happy to answer any direct questions, charges, accusations, or insults  :wink: But I think I'm pretty
much done with this one.

Plus I got REALLY overheated at the river today and I am pretty much jello right now! lol


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: RCMerchant on May 26, 2012, 09:22:33 PM
In the long run-I don't care. All the comics I own dont date later than 1976 anyway.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 28, 2012, 03:08:55 PM
this is just my opinion (obviously) but if you look at the ten commandments, lke 5 of them are variations on thou shall not steal. don't covet they neighbors house or his wife, etc 

So what is homosexuality stealing? i think the perception at the time was that these were people who were shunning marriage in favor of just sexual release withuot the consequence of pregnancy. I think now we understand homosexuality is something else.

what is a gay person stealing from anyone? a possible spouse? would you want your son or daughter to marry a homosexual of the opposite sex?

I guess this could be interpretted as a "liberal" interpretation of the bible but i think bible has to make some sort of sense. You can't just follow it blindly because what if it's the Antichrist talking?


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 28, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
If you look at the New Testament, God's design for human sexuality is monogamous, heterosexual marriage.  While polygamy was tolerated in OT times, there is not a single case where a polygamous relationship made for a positive family situation.  Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon all had grief from their plural marriages.

Biblically speaking, I think that the reason homosexuality is condemned is because it violates God's created order.  He made man and woman, and bound them together for life.  Whether homosexuality is inborn or learned, I believe it is still emblematic of the broken and scarred nature of the world we live in.  All of creation has been warped out of God's original design, and will remain warped until the world is made new.

That is a purely Christian and Biblican interpretation of the issue.  If you beleive in neither Christianity nor the Bible, then obviously it will make absolutely no sense to you!


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 28, 2012, 06:29:26 PM
...That is a purely Christian and Biblican interpretation of the issue.  If you beleive in neither Christianity nor the Bible, then obviously it will make absolutely no sense to you!
You're ducking.  That is one "purely Christian and Biblical interpretation".  Nonetheless, you make little, if absolutely no, sense. 


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 28, 2012, 06:32:23 PM
To you, at least! :twirl:


I think you will find that what I posted represents the general thinking on the subject of most evangelical American churches.   Not asking for any agreement here, just trying to explain why many Christians feel that way.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: AndyC on May 28, 2012, 07:23:11 PM
I know many of them like to think they own exclusive rights to the name, but evangelical American churches ain't the only Christians. Your basic position doesn't really bother me, but the little assumptions that casually find their way in there do make me wince a bit.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 28, 2012, 07:33:35 PM
That's why I said many Christians, not all.  Granted, I've spent my life in the evangelical community, so I do sometimes take our view for granted as being representative of Christendom.

My bottom line is that Scripture should be the only true guide for doctrine and practice.  It's all we have that comes to us straight from the Apostles of Jesus.  I try to toe the Scriptural line on what I say, and what I do (with less success at the latter.)

Sorry for the wince!


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 28, 2012, 08:02:14 PM
indiana- but again what is the reason behind the admonition against homosexuality? What is someone who is being gay taking from someone else or themself?  I'm trying to understand the purpose of the rule against homosexuality and it makes no sense to me.  I can see why you shouldn't kill or steal.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 28, 2012, 10:57:49 PM
I'll just be perfectly honest - I DON'T KNOW. 

 Except that God made the human race male and female and intended man and woman for each other. That is made clear in both Testaments of Scripture.  Homosexuality tends to fly in the face of that.  It essentially tells God "I reject your created role for me and choose another."   But in the end, what  it all boils down to is whether or not one believes Scripture is inspired of God or not.  If you believe the Bible is nothing but a quaint old book written by men, then it has no binding authority over you at all.  If you believe it to be the inspired word of God, then you have to try to obey it, whether you fully understand or not.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Mofo Rising on May 29, 2012, 04:47:13 AM
That is a purely Christian and Biblican interpretation of the issue.  If you beleive in neither Christianity nor the Bible, then obviously it will make absolutely no sense to you!

Of course it makes sense. This decree against homosexuality isn't exactly rocket science as far as Christian dogma goes. It's not like we're talking about something as abstruse as the concept of transubstantiation. I may be completely irreligious, but that doesn't mean I don't understand theological arguments.

I should say that many homosexuals I know are still devout Christians. In fact, most people I know are devout Christians. I understand you're part of a community (one of the best benefits of religion), but I think that your particular brand of Christianity may not be as widespread as you think it is.

More importantly, we're discussing homosexuality in a polite, almost academic sense. This is not the way it plays out in the world. We're living in a society where homosexuals in a committed relationship are denied what should be basic rights, such as visiting somebody in a hospital when they are dying. We are living in a society where people are beat to death for being gay.

Theological arguments about brands of Christianity are fine, but lets not pretend they are merely academic. Homosexuals are not free to live their life without the intrusion of people who think they live their life "wrong." This is an election year, we're all going to hear a lot about gay marriage.

This is not a polite discussion, it's an active (and incredibly damaging) imposition of belief.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: AndyC on May 29, 2012, 06:11:01 AM
I'll just be perfectly honest - I DON'T KNOW. 

 Except that God made the human race male and female and intended man and woman for each other. That is made clear in both Testaments of Scripture.  Homosexuality tends to fly in the face of that.  It essentially tells God "I reject your created role for me and choose another."   But in the end, what  it all boils down to is whether or not one believes Scripture is inspired of God or not.  If you believe the Bible is nothing but a quaint old book written by men, then it has no binding authority over you at all.  If you believe it to be the inspired word of God, then you have to try to obey it, whether you fully understand or not.

There goes that all-or-nothing philosophy again. You either believe it's the inspired word of God, 100% factual, literal and directly applicable to every situation regardless of circumstances or what your own conscience tells you is right, or it's just an old book to you. Little assumptions that are ignorant or possibly dismissive of what many other Christians believe.

It also strikes me as a bit of a straw man against anyone with a different theological view.

Other person: As I understand the scriptures, that doesn't make sense. (Suggest another interpretation or closer analysis)
Indy: If you aren't a Christian, it won't make sense to you, but those of us who believe in the Bible have to obey it.

Big jump there.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 29, 2012, 08:52:58 AM
100% inspired word of God - absolutely.
100% factual - not always.  It contains parables, stories, analogies, and poetry.
100% literal - again, there is symbolic language, figures of speech, etc.
Applicable - not every verse applies to every situation, but there is a verse for every situation.

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but there is not a single positive reference to homosexuality in the entire Bible.  It is not something that comes up in every book or passage of Scripture, but everywhere it is mentioned, it is mentioned as a sin that is displeasing to God.

It's not some flowery, apocalyptic poetic verse, the New Testament's teachings about homosexuality are always found in passages where the author is listing various sins that are displeasing to God.  So if the Bible is wrong about homosexuality, then it is apparently wrong about a great deal of sins.  Adultery, for instance - nearly every passage that condemns homosexuality condemns adultery as well!  So are we to assume that the Bible is wrong about that?  That God has changed his mind in the last two thousand years about the institution of marriage?  What about idolatry, greed, theft, murder, and covetousness?

You may accuse me of an "all or nothing" mentality, but to say that the Scriptural prohibitions against homosexuality are wrong, or mistaken, or due to errors in interpretation is to open up every single moral teaching of the New Testament to question.  There are Scriptures which are cryptic and open to our interpretation. Ask six different pastors about the "Beast" of Revelations and you will get six different answers.  But the Biblical teachings on sexual morality are pretty darned clear and simple.

Mofo, as far as I am concerned, "partner benefits" for committed gay couples are fine.  I have no issue with that. But a homosexual relationship is not and can never be a true marriage as far as I am concerned.



Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: AndyC on May 29, 2012, 11:02:45 AM
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100% inspired word of God - absolutely.
100% factual - not always.  It contains parables, stories, analogies, and poetry.
100% literal - again, there is symbolic language, figures of speech, etc.
Applicable - not every verse applies to every situation, but there is a verse for every situation.

Not what I'm talking about, and I think you know it.


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Adultery, for instance - nearly every passage that condemns homosexuality condemns adultery as well!  So are we to assume that the Bible is wrong about that?  That God has changed his mind in the last two thousand years about the institution of marriage?  What about idolatry, greed, theft, murder, and covetousness?

You may accuse me of an "all or nothing" mentality, but to say that the Scriptural prohibitions against homosexuality are wrong, or mistaken, or due to errors in interpretation is to open up every single moral teaching of the New Testament to question.

The old slippery slope. That takes us back to Lester's point. Those other things are clearly harmful. There is a victim, or at least some understandable consequences. Once again, we are dealing in absolutes and over-generalization. We have a few passages condemning something that is not harmful in and of itself, and these passages are used as justification to abuse, bully, insult and discriminate against people because they happen to be different in something that is really none of anyone else's business. It's apples and oranges. To say that questioning those passages will put all morality in jeopardy is a big stretch.

What does put the whole Bible at risk over a few small passages is the all-or-nothing mentality. I can think of two groups of people who promote it where the Bible is concerned - evangelical Christians and Atheists.

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I have no issue with that. But a homosexual relationship is not and can never be a true marriage as far as I am concerned.

That's what it really boils down to, and you have every right to feel that way. Just don't make it a prerequisite for being Christian.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 29, 2012, 12:21:07 PM
There are a lot of things that Scripture condemns that don't hurt others.  But they hurt us, spiritually, by removing us from God's will and rejecting His plan for our lives.

Obviously, we don't and won't agree on this.  But I think my way of thinking is closer to what Christ's apostles actually taught.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: alandhopewell on May 29, 2012, 12:57:53 PM
RC, you are my friend, and it's good that you are redirecthing this thread to its original topic. The only thing I will say in contradiction to your last post is that Christ taught love, not tolerance.  When they brought him the woman taken in the act of adultery, He drove off her accusers and forgave her.  But He did not say "Go and sleep around some more."  He said "Go and sin no more..."
JESUS also said "...give to CAESAR what is CAESAR's..." and I know the rest, but that's enough.  The Romans were dominators, oppressors, rapists and killers.  JESUS most definitely preached tolerance.   Sometimes, he chose to give good advice.

...As a man of partial negroid genetics, I never found Ebony White disturbing. So he spoke thus....so what? He was a fully realized character, who sometimes had more of a hand in solving a case than Denny Colt did.

     Better that than some of the nihilistic urban gyrations that pass for "black" today.
I do appreciate your candor; which early on I had mistaken for a kind of racism.  I think there are problems in "Black" America that are cultural... and probably in "Gay" America, too.  Just about ANY America I think of as a matter of fact.  And of course you've shared some of your heritage with us, even your photo. 
Yet, I feel sad.  Why do I feel you are hating on yourself?   :bluesad:

     AHD, I appreciate YOUR candor, as well. However, the only parts of myself I "hate" are my shortcomings as a person.
Many years ago, when Dr. King (and Jesus, and my grandfather) exhorted us to live as if race were irrelevant (which it is; blue cup, red cup, it's a CUP) I decided to behave in exactly that way . I don't care if the other six billion, eleventy-million folks on the planet think race is important....it isn't.

     I hate behaviors, not people, and I believe that bad behavior is bad behavior regardless, and the Involuntary Boat Ride
Defense does not excuse it. I don't lump myself in with such people, nor do I count myself as "better" than them; I am better than such behavior, and so are they.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Jim H on May 29, 2012, 01:01:51 PM
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Many Christians make way too big a deal about homosexuality

I think that's the most important thing to note in American Christianity and the gay stuff.  There's an almost hysterical overreaction to gays, and I find it completely baffling.  There are so many other behaviors just as equally or more strongly argued against in the bible (it really does have only a relative handful of mentions), that the singling out of gays by the evangelicals and others in the USA should give anyone thinking clearly pause.  

It's obvious something more is going on here.  A lot of it is something cultural filtered through the religion, I suspect.  Not sure exactly what is going on beyond that though.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: alandhopewell on May 29, 2012, 01:06:41 PM
That is a purely Christian and Biblican interpretation of the issue.  If you beleive in neither Christianity nor the Bible, then obviously it will make absolutely no sense to you!

Of course it makes sense. This decree against homosexuality isn't exactly rocket science as far as Christian dogma goes. It's not like we're talking about something as abstruse as the concept of transubstantiation. I may be completely irreligious, but that doesn't mean I don't understand theological arguments.

I should say that many homosexuals I know are still devout Christians. In fact, most people I know are devout Christians. I understand you're part of a community (one of the best benefits of religion), but I think that your particular brand of Christianity may not be as widespread as you think it is.

More importantly, we're discussing homosexuality in a polite, almost academic sense. This is not the way it plays out in the world. We're living in a society where homosexuals in a committed relationship are denied what should be basic rights, such as visiting somebody in a hospital when they are dying. We are living in a society where people are beat to death for being gay.

Theological arguments about brands of Christianity are fine, but lets not pretend they are merely academic. Homosexuals are not free to live their life without the intrusion of people who think they live their life "wrong." This is an election year, we're all going to hear a lot about gay marriage.

This is not a polite discussion, it's an active (and incredibly damaging) imposition of belief.

     To be honest, Mofo, I've never understood why we don't have laws allowing people to decide for themselves who they want on their insurance, etc., as they are the ones who bought or earned such benefits in the first place.

     As far as gay-bashing, I hate it as I would hate ANY assault on someone's person. However, I don't think it needs a special law, as HAVE laws covering assault, attempted murder, and the like.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: FatFreddysCat on May 29, 2012, 01:08:08 PM
Um...wow. This thread sure got heated.  :buggedout: So have they announced who the gay character is gonna be yet? That was the only reason I even clicked on this thread, I was wondering who it was gonna be.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 29, 2012, 02:30:47 PM
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Many Christians make way too big a deal about homosexuality

I think that's the most important thing to note in American Christianity and the gay stuff.  There's an almost hysterical overreaction to gays, and I find it completely baffling.  There are so many other behaviors just as equally or more strongly argued against in the bible (it really does have only a relative handful of mentions), that the singling out of gays by the evangelicals and others in the USA should give anyone thinking clearly pause.  

It's obvious something more is going on here.  A lot of it is something cultural filtered through the religion, I suspect.  Not sure exactly what is going on beyond that though.

There I do agree.  Homosexuality is A sin, nothing more.  There are MANY sins which get a much greater share of conemnation in Scripture, and the degree to which some churches focus on homosexuality above all is ridiculous and hurtful.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: tracy on May 29, 2012, 02:54:08 PM
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Many Christians make way too big a deal about homosexuality

I think that's the most important thing to note in American Christianity and the gay stuff.  There's an almost hysterical overreaction to gays, and I find it completely baffling.  There are so many other behaviors just as equally or more strongly argued against in the bible (it really does have only a relative handful of mentions), that the singling out of gays by the evangelicals and others in the USA should give anyone thinking clearly pause.  

It's obvious something more is going on here.  A lot of it is something cultural filtered through the religion, I suspect.  Not sure exactly what is going on beyond that though.
I agree here as well....I prefer to deal with people on an individual basis instead of focusing primarilly on if they are gay. Whether I agree with it or not isn't a make it/break it point for me. Besides,I'm sure my gay friends have stuff they don't like about me that has nothing to do with being straight. :wink:
There I do agree.  Homosexuality is A sin, nothing more.  There are MANY sins which get a much greater share of conemnation in Scripture, and the degree to which some churches focus on homosexuality above all is ridiculous and hurtful.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 29, 2012, 06:13:35 PM
Indiana- I don't believe it's just some quaint old book at all. It has lasted as long as it has beause it makes sense. I just can't grasp the prohibtion on homosexuality. I'm also not big on the post Jesus NT.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Andrew on May 29, 2012, 06:36:47 PM
Um...wow. This thread sure got heated.  :buggedout: So have they announced who the gay character is gonna be yet? That was the only reason I even clicked on this thread, I was wondering who it was gonna be.


I'm betting it's going to be "Martian Manhunter."


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 29, 2012, 07:06:20 PM
we have a winna!


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 29, 2012, 07:23:31 PM
Indiana- I don't believe it's just some quaint old book at all. It has lasted as long as it has beause it makes sense. I just can't grasp the prohibtion on homosexuality. I'm also not big on the post Jesus NT.

Not a fan of Paul, eh?


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 29, 2012, 07:48:02 PM
I just have this suspicion that Revelation is no more significant than the Quran, basically. I mean good for them for spreading Christianity but they weren't Jesus and there is no need for any more prophets after him.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 29, 2012, 07:50:47 PM
Um...wow. This thread sure got heated.  :buggedout: So have they announced who the gay character is gonna be yet? That was the only reason I even clicked on this thread, I was wondering who it was gonna be.


I'm betting it's going to be "Martian Manhunter."
snicker


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 29, 2012, 10:51:47 PM
I just have this suspicion that Revelation is no more significant than the Quran, basically. I mean good for them for spreading Christianity but they weren't Jesus and there is no need for any more prophets after him.

All of the New Testament was written after Christ's time.  But I think Revelations has great significance because of WHO wrote it as well as when it was written.  John was the last of the Apostles, indeed one of the last men alive who had seen and known both Jesus and John the Baptist.  He would have had a pretty fair idea if a vision that came to him was from Christ or not.

I don't pretend to understand everything in Revelations, but I certainly think it is significant, whether you consider it history, allegory, prophecy, or some combination of the three.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 29, 2012, 11:07:07 PM
I just have this suspicion that Revelation is no more significant than the Quran, basically. I mean good for them for spreading Christianity but they weren't Jesus and there is no need for any more prophets after him.

All of the New Testament was written after Christ's time.  But I think Revelations has great significance because of WHO wrote it as well as when it was written.  John was the last of the Apostles, indeed one of the last men alive who had seen and known both Jesus and John the Baptist.  He would have had a pretty fair idea if a vision that came to him was from Christ or not.

I don't pretend to understand everything in Revelations, but I certainly think it is significant, whether you consider it history, allegory, prophecy, or some combination of the three.
Oh.  The authorship I know you know is disputed.  Why you don't mention that fact, to me, is as our beloved friend put it "cherry picking". 


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 29, 2012, 11:14:06 PM
The authorship of nearly every New Testament book has been disputed by modern scholars, mostly with an agenda to deny their historical accuracy.

Most of the reading that I have read seems to indicate that there is little doubt that Revelations was written by a disciple of Jesus named John, near the end of the First Century AD.  The contention is over whether or not the John was the same John who wrote the gospel that bears his name.   While there are marked differences in style in the original Greek between the two works, they are of a VERY different nature which might well account for the different vocabulary used.  Frankly, there is virtually NO historical evidence for a second Apostle of Jesus named John whose works the early church would have embraced as canonical.

For an excellent discussion of the authorship of all the Johanene works - the Gospel, the three epistles, and Revelations - I recommend Donald Guthrie's New Testament Introduction.  Guthrie was one of the foremost New Testament scholars in America, and a strong advocate of single authorship for all five NT works attributed to John.  He also absolutely shredded the ridiculous conclusions of the infamous "Jesus Seminar" a few years back, with solid scholarship and excellent style.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 30, 2012, 12:21:09 AM
The authorship of nearly every New Testament book has been disputed by modern scholars, mostly with an agenda to deny their historical accuracy.
Most of the reading that I have read seems to indicate that there is little doubt that Revelations was written by a disciple of Jesus named John, near the end of the First Century AD.  The contention is over whether or not the John was the same John who wrote the gospel that bears his name.   While there are marked differences in style in the original Greek between the two works, they are of a VERY different nature which might well account for the different vocabulary used.  Frankly, there is virtually NO historical evidence for a second Apostle of Jesus named John whose works the early church would have embraced as canonical.
For an excellent discussion of the authorship of all the Johanene works - the Gospel, the three epistles, and Revelations - I recommend Donald Guthrie's New Testament Introduction.  Guthrie was one of the foremost New Testament scholars in America, and a strong advocate of single authorship for all five NT works attributed to John.  He also absolutely shredded the ridiculous conclusions of the infamous "Jesus Seminar" a few years back, with solid scholarship and excellent style.
Oh.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Mofo Rising on May 30, 2012, 05:03:23 AM
For those still paying attention to the original post, the unofficial scuttlebutt is that it is going to be Alan Scott.

If you find yourself asking, "Who?" don't feel bad. He was the original Green Lantern (the one in the festive colors). He's a character, but not a major one. If this truly is the case, then it's a lot of brouhaha over nothing. The whole issue will be about as progressive as Northstar of Alpha Flight coming out in the early '90s. Nobody cares.

By the way, I can't give karma to Andrew for his Martian Manhunter crack, but he certainly deserves it.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: AndyC on May 30, 2012, 06:40:33 AM
If it's not one of the current starting lineup, who really cares?

Just an attempt to share in the publicity Marvel is getting for Northstar's upcoming nuptials.

Incidentally, talking about showing a gay man's nuptials in a comic book does make the whole thing sound kind of indecent. :teddyr:


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 30, 2012, 07:32:08 AM
I don't doubt the authenticity or whatever of it.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: tracy on May 30, 2012, 12:43:43 PM
Um...wow. This thread sure got heated.  :buggedout: So have they announced who the gay character is gonna be yet? That was the only reason I even clicked on this thread, I was wondering who it was gonna be.


I'm betting it's going to be "Martian Manhunter."

Just out of curiosity...why?


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: RCMerchant on May 30, 2012, 03:49:41 PM
Um...wow. This thread sure got heated.  :buggedout: So have they announced who the gay character is gonna be yet? That was the only reason I even clicked on this thread, I was wondering who it was gonna be.


I'm betting it's going to be "Martian Manhunter."

Just out of curiosity...why?

Martian MANHUNTER-get it-MANHUNTER?? It's like-ah-never mind....


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on May 30, 2012, 03:54:04 PM
I don't know of another forum on the net where we could have this discussion and it be kept as polite and civilized as we have done on this thread - kudos to all concerned!

(For the record, I don't think Emo Spiderman is a DC creation, but he would be my candidate!)


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 30, 2012, 04:40:56 PM
I don't know of another forum on the net where we could have this discussion and it be kept as polite and civilized as we have done on this thread - kudos to all concerned...!
:thumbup:  You got that right.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Jim H on May 31, 2012, 12:46:23 PM
I don't know of another forum on the net where we could have this discussion and it be kept as polite and civilized as we have done on this thread - kudos to all concerned!

(For the record, I don't think Emo Spiderman is a DC creation, but he would be my candidate!)

Yeah.  We're so awesome.   :thumbup:

 :teddyr:


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: AndyC on May 31, 2012, 02:38:00 PM
People can disagree and still respect one another. Simple wisdom too often forgotten these days.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Chainsawmidget on May 31, 2012, 04:38:39 PM
For those still paying attention to the original post, the unofficial scuttlebutt is that it is going to be Alan Scott.

If you find yourself asking, "Who?" don't feel bad. He was the original Green Lantern (the one in the festive colors). He's a character, but not a major one. If this truly is the case, then it's a lot of brouhaha over nothing. The whole issue will be about as progressive as Northstar of Alpha Flight coming out in the early '90s. Nobody cares.
Saying it's going to be a major character and then announcing it's Alan Scott is like saying you have a huge Hollywood star in your movie and then revealing it's Clint Howard. 

"Hey, you know Green Lantern, that character nobody cared about even when he got a huge movie, toylines, videogames, and DC telling everybody what a great character he is even though nobody really believed it?  Well, here's the version of the character that people care even less about!  Your grandfather might have read his comics." 

Nice choice DC.  Couldn't you have at least said somebody like Hawkman?  Sure nobody really cares about him either, but at least they've heard of him. 


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Raffine on May 31, 2012, 07:07:55 PM
How about the Wonder Twins?

You'd get a lesbian, a gay man, and a monkey!

(http://members.shaw.ca/gorillagallery/myweb2/gleek2.jpg)


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Chainsawmidget on May 31, 2012, 07:40:24 PM
How about the Wonder Twins?

You'd get a lesbian, a gay man, and a monkey!

([url]http://members.shaw.ca/gorillagallery/myweb2/gleek2.jpg[/url])

The crazy thing about that is, it wouldn't be the first gay monkey that DC comics had. 

Okay, technically it was a gorilla, but my point still stands. 


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 31, 2012, 09:02:59 PM
How about the Wonder Twins?

You'd get a lesbian, a gay man, and a monkey!

([url]http://members.shaw.ca/gorillagallery/myweb2/gleek2.jpg[/url])

The crazy thing about that is, it wouldn't be the first gay monkey that DC comics had. 

Okay, technically it was a gorilla, but my point still stands. 
I think the "monkey" had a tale and therefore is not a gorilla or any kind of ape.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS88vDb-JsepUMNIFyKzmVrn3ZT5bFWkBFTtceKxlQi1Aep5XQH)


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Raffine on May 31, 2012, 09:18:51 PM
How about the Wonder Twins?

You'd get a lesbian, a gay man, and a monkey!

([url]http://members.shaw.ca/gorillagallery/myweb2/gleek2.jpg[/url])

The crazy thing about that is, it wouldn't be the first gay monkey that DC comics had. 

Okay, technically it was a gorilla, but my point still stands. 
I think the "monkey" had a tale and therefore is not a gorilla or any kind of ape.
([url]https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS88vDb-JsepUMNIFyKzmVrn3ZT5bFWkBFTtceKxlQi1Aep5XQH[/url])


I think he's talking about this:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Brainmallah2.PNG)



Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Mofo Rising on June 01, 2012, 03:02:29 AM
How about the Wonder Twins?

You'd get a lesbian, a gay man, and a monkey!

([url]http://members.shaw.ca/gorillagallery/myweb2/gleek2.jpg[/url])

The crazy thing about that is, it wouldn't be the first gay monkey that DC comics had. 

Okay, technically it was a gorilla, but my point still stands. 
I think the "monkey" had a tale and therefore is not a gorilla or any kind of ape.
([url]https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS88vDb-JsepUMNIFyKzmVrn3ZT5bFWkBFTtceKxlQi1Aep5XQH[/url])


I think he's talking about this:

([url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Brainmallah2.PNG[/url])




Now, they're both male, but technically it's an interspecies relationship. Also, even before the Brain got that shiny new robot body, he was already a brain in a jar, so I'm not sure how male he even is anymore.

So in some sense, it's a homosexual bestial relationship, and that's progressive. At the same time, the categories are pretty darn blurred. What really is going on there? And does it matter? They both got blown up really good before consummation.

Still a touching moment. Makes me wonder why DC doesn't crow about their previous strides in making a relationship involving homosexuality and bestiality between a genetically modified ape and a brain in a jar more palatable for the comic-reading public.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: RCMerchant on June 01, 2012, 06:28:10 AM
How about the Wonder Twins?

You'd get a lesbian, a gay man, and a monkey!

([url]http://members.shaw.ca/gorillagallery/myweb2/gleek2.jpg[/url])

The crazy thing about that is, it wouldn't be the first gay monkey that DC comics had. 

Okay, technically it was a gorilla, but my point still stands. 
I think the "monkey" had a tale and therefore is not a gorilla or any kind of ape.
([url]https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS88vDb-JsepUMNIFyKzmVrn3ZT5bFWkBFTtceKxlQi1Aep5XQH[/url])


I think he's talking about this:

([url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Brainmallah2.PNG[/url])




Now, they're both male, but technically it's an interspecies relationship. Also, even before the Brain got that shiny new robot body, he was already a brain in a jar, so I'm not sure how male he even is anymore.

So in some sense, it's a homosexual bestial relationship, and that's progressive. At the same time, the categories are pretty darn blurred. What really is going on there? And does it matter? They both got blown up really good before consummation.

Still a touching moment. Makes me wonder why DC doesn't crow about their previous strides in making a relationship involving homosexuality and bestiality between a genetically modified ape and a brain in a jar more palatable for the comic-reading public.


This is surreal......! I'm so proud to be a member of this forum!


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: indianasmith on June 01, 2012, 06:43:37 AM
Must  . . .  . not . . . .  say . . .  .





EEEEEEEWWWWWW!!!!!!!!! :buggedout: :buggedout:


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 01, 2012, 07:33:26 AM
The Wonder Twins barely qualify as superheroes. Gleek doesn't even have nay powers. He's a super mascot


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: tracy on June 01, 2012, 12:53:34 PM
Um...wow. This thread sure got heated.  :buggedout: So have they announced who the gay character is gonna be yet? That was the only reason I even clicked on this thread, I was wondering who it was gonna be.



I'm betting it's going to be "Martian Manhunter."


Just out of curiosity...why?


Martian MANHUNTER-get it-MANHUNTER?? It's like-ah-never mind....

D'oh! Of course! Boy,I was off my game that day. :teddyr:

As for comic gorillas,here's my favorite...

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5xSLHkWAfdA/Tz1ZSbElmMI/AAAAAAAANl8/3p3O4EYvzho/s1600/90942-4146-gorilla-grodd_super.jpg)


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Raffine on June 01, 2012, 03:32:35 PM
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So in some sense, it's a homosexual bestial relationship, and that's progressive.


It beats Rick Santorum's dire prediction of man-dog love, at least.

DC seems to have had a weird obsession with gorillas since the beginning.

(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/229/221779-19172-116456-1-superman-s-pal-jimmy_super.jpg)(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2732/4118367229_48aa247d57_o.jpg)
(http://www.lethargiclad.com/gorilla/ac400.gif)(http://thefifthbranch.com/images/oldies/jimmyolsen/jimmyolsen98.jpg)(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-kHPuXWYzhS4/TYnUYSShC3I/AAAAAAAACSc/CTJkDDT5o-M/Action+Comics+238.jpg)(http://comiccoverage.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8345158e369e200e55373f2508834-350wi)

Jimmy in particular had a bizarre relationship with gorillas.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Psycho Circus on June 01, 2012, 07:12:35 PM
Old Superman comics sure are bizarre


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Raffine on June 01, 2012, 11:58:15 PM
It's official. (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/green-lantern-latest-superhero-outed-gay-earth-2-issue-marvel-northstar-storyline-article-1.1087842)

Thanks for playing.

Me? Kind of disapointed no gorillas were involved.

Well, maybe...

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t214/morrisawilliams/greengorilla.jpg)


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: RCMerchant on June 02, 2012, 04:51:47 AM
Well-dam! Lets celebrate!

It all makes sense now!!!!

No not really.


Ah-so what.


 :tongueout:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sAm5UCJ9vA


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: AndyC on June 02, 2012, 08:13:49 AM
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1087832.1338536468!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/image.jpg)
He's not just gay, he's flaming.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: alandhopewell on June 02, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
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So in some sense, it's a homosexual bestial relationship, and that's progressive.


It beats Rick Santorum's dire prediction of man-dog love, at least.

DC seems to have had a weird obsession with gorillas since the beginning.

([url]http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/229/221779-19172-116456-1-superman-s-pal-jimmy_super.jpg[/url])([url]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2732/4118367229_48aa247d57_o.jpg[/url])
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Jimmy in particular had a bizarre relationship with gorillas.


     DC's fascination got even stranger....

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Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 02, 2012, 08:23:57 PM
For some reason I expect it to be Green Lantern. Don't know why.
RYAN REYNOLDS
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Jase had it; I myself thought he had something since that movie starring RYAN REYNOLDS bombed, didn't it?  If I'm right that was a major investment, then... what in the wake of a failure...?  Food for thought.  Wonder if cross-eyed RYAN REYNOLDS wants to play Green Lantern again?  :question:  :lookingup:  :bouncegiggle: 


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: dean on June 02, 2012, 09:07:02 PM
Meh.  It would have been more interesting if the writers just made the character gay in the rewrite and went on like normal instead of making a big song and dance about it before hand.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: JaseSF on June 03, 2012, 05:02:10 PM
Not quite, I figured it would be the Hal Jordan or Kyle Raynor Green Lantern for some reason. But then again they did say major character, didn't they? I never though about ol' Alan Scott.


Title: Re: Major DC character to come out of the closet
Post by: Mofo Rising on June 06, 2012, 05:49:44 AM
Pointless hype.

Batwoman has been gay from day one of the DC reboot. I guess lesbians don't count in the DC hype machine?

DC deserves no accolades for this. It's about as progressive as "Three's Company."