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I didn't want this to dominate the Random Thoughts thread, and I saw several people had posted on the topic there, so I thought I'd give it a thread of its own.

The owner of Chick-Fil-A, Dan Cathy, was asked in an interview what he thought about the topic of gay marriage.  He expressed what is the pretty much universal view among evangelical Christians, that tamperint with the definition of something we believe to have been created by God, was a very bad idea.  The interviewer knew the man was a Christian and no doubt wanted to elicit such a comment.  The response, initially, was a backlash from the left accusing Mr. Cathy of being a hatemonger, a bigot, etc, and several liberal mayors threatened (directly or indirectly) to run  the Chick-Fil-A franchise out of their cities.  This elicited a wave of response, from conservative and a few liberal sources, to show a Chick-Fil-A appreciation day, which happened yesterday and elicited a tremendous outpouring of support. Chick-Fil-A has long supported a wide range of charities, ranging from helping children with cancer and from low income neighborhoods, to socially conservative agencies like Focus on the Family (which are, incorrectly in my opinion, labeled as "hate groups" by many on the left).  It has been interesting listening on talk radio to the wave of responses from all over the spectrum, including a few gay callers who expressed support for Mr. Cathy's rights of Freedom of Association and free speech, even if they disagreed with his views.

Tomorrow the gay and lesbian community is staging a national "kiss in" at Chick-Fil-A, where they plan to come into the restaurants all over the country and "make out" in protest.

So, I know most folks here support gay marriage (and most of you know I do not), but my question is, does this flap help or hurt that cause, in your opinion?  Will seeing men smooching with men and girls smooching girls in the booth next to you influence your opinion on the issue?

(PS, I am NOT trying to start a flame war.  This forum is wonderful for its ability to hold such a discussion and keep passions in check, so let's play nice and have a good old fashioned talk about this!)

I would DEFINITELY go to Chick-Fil-A to watch lesbians kiss.

I think any number of straight males would do that!  However, in my experience, real life lesbians rarely look like the ones in the movies!

BTW, apparently Roseanne Barr said that "Anyone who eats at S**t-Fil-A deserves to get cancer."

Is it just me, or do folks on the left talk about tolerance a lot more than they practice it?

I'm not going to discuss left vs right, but:
1) Business exists to make money
2) Its stupid to exclude any money-holding segment of the populace from wanting to eat your sandwich. The dude can say what he wants, but its not clever if he is speaking in a way that refelcts on his business.
3) I like Chik-fil-A sandwiches a hell of a lot
4) I don't like extremists of any stripe.  Nor do I like flame fanners who just want to make mouth noise... Both Rosanne and Rush come to mind. They are all a buncha real world Trolls who would be banned if they showed up here.
5) I wish people would spend half as much effort as they do with this $#|+ doing things like crime prevention, feeding the hungry, picking up litter, walking the dog or any number of things that make the world a more pleasant place.


 

The left, the left, the left.  Quite a few Republicans have come forward supporting gay rights.  Does that make them liberals or leftists?  One must keep in mind it wasn't so long ago in this country that the color of your skin could cause you to be refused service in many restaurants.  We've come a long way from lunch counter sit-ins.  I support all people who want equal rights, despite others who have just as much a sense of entitlement to deny them. 

There are definitely some right wingers who are downright hateful, although I think that popular leftists, especially celebrities, get a free pass on speech that would spark national outrage if someone of a more conservative stripe said it. 

But this does obfuscate the issue a bit.  Roseanne's comment was rude and hateful  - much more so than anything Dan Cathy said.  Some people just like to talk ugly.

Okay, so why equate that loudmouth with "the left"?  Since when is she their spokesperson?

I think a war will be held, because the battle will reach a new height. :lookingup:
Seriously, it's their business, not the LGBT business. You guys know I support gay marriage, but raging a war with a fast food chain seems a little too extreme.

I was surprised by the number of radio callers today who support gay marriage (and a couple who were themselves gay) who still viewed this as a free speech issue and supported Chick-Fil-A!

BTW, AHD, Roseanne in her most recent book has completely embraced socialism and has appointed herself A left-wing spokesperson.  Certainly not the only one, but she is one of the louder voices out there on the far left fringe.  I find it odd that so many wealthy people suddenly turn on and seek to destroy the system that gave them so much!

thats what the chick-fil-a thing is about? i had no idea, i heard it mentioned but never heard about a protest. left, right, blah, blah. i respect anybodies opinion or preference as long as its not ignorant or hateful. i also think that it is awesome that you people can disagree on these things and not argue. my opinion: every person on this planet should have the same rights period. not letting gays get married will not keep people from being gay. being gay is neither right nor wrong. why is gayness of such concern? is it contagious? i dont care about other peoples sexual preference, it has nothing to do with what i like. i dont want to see anybody making out in public, its rude and disgusting. i think making out in public is not going to help gay people, it will probably do the opposite. if god doesnt like gays, why does he keep making them? if jesus loves me and im a man, would that make jesus gay?

I would say I was going to boycott Chick-Fil-A , however I've nver been there in my life....so they'll continue not to get my business.

To Kakihara - I think you are deliberately exaggerating to make a point.  First of all, you know and I know there are many kinds of love.  There is paternal love (for our children), romantic love (usually for only one special person at a time), sexual attraction (which may or may not be a kind of love, depending on who you ask), and altruistic love (a deep and unselfish concern for the wellbeing of others).

Why is it such a big deal in America?  Most Americans are Christians, at least nominally (something like 80% in the last national poll).  The Bible, in both the Old and New Testaments, condemns homosexuality as a sin.  Sin, of course, implies choice.  A huge debate in recent years is whether sexual orientation is a result of nature or nurture. Different studies have come to mixed conclusions.  I guess, in answer to your question, the Christian position is that God made men and women, and men and women (for whatever reason) became homosexual.  The question about Jesus is, I think, a rhetorical flourish on your part, but if the question was sincere, NO.  Loving humanity enough to endure crucifixion in order to pay the price for their sins does NOT make him gay!

And I agree, making out in public is in poor taste, regardless of who does it.

Bob - I am usually a Chicken Express guy, but I will say that every Chick-Fil-A I have ever been in is clean, well run, and staffed by friendly, courteous people!

What I am interested in seeing is this:  does the "new tolerance" practice what it preaches?

My favorite comment I have seen about the two sides of the issue:  someone posted on FB, "whichever side you are on, be nice to each other!"

If the Bible is indeed an historic book, the context of how any debauched persons may have expressed themselves and been witnessed is the very beginning of stereotyping.  We are all individuals, of course.  Who else was there?  And kept their lip buttoned?  It's not that I think anyone's wrong.  It's that I see such as subjective.  I have known and know many gay persons, who embraced their gayness later in life, living previously as husband, wife, and perhaps childbearer or parent.  And finally admitted they always felt gay.  Again, I don't claim to understand any of it, but I do embrace equal rights, in this world anyway, for all.  Does this make me evil or Christian?  I think the debate about biblical interpretation of homosexuality masks deep, personal, prejudice.   Much has changed and will continue to, as long as human beings inhabit this planet.  If there is God, we must accept.  

I'm just baffled by the whole thing. Really, there is personal conviction and there is running a business. Believe what you want as individuals. Support what you want on your time and with your money, but keep it professional around the business. A restaurant chain has a lot of employees who are affected by these decisions, franchisees who are affected, and customers who have beliefs of their own. A company does not need an official position on something that has nothing to do with the business it's in. If you are in the business of making chicken sandwiches, then make chicken sandwiches, and channel that conscience into responsible business practices and supporting charities that your customers will appreciate. Don't stand up as a company, speaking on behalf of its franchisees and employees, and start judging people who probably make up some percentage of your clientele and even your staff. It's unprofessional, it's irresponsible and it's arrogant.

So I'm confused... if I eat at Chick-Fil-A now, am I a hate mongering homophobe, or a brave defender of corporate free speech?

Seriously though... this is a non issue to me. Until this flap started, I had no idea that Chick-Fil-A was such a large corporation. The only Chick-Fil-A restaurant I have ever seen was in one of the local malls and since I've never encountered another, I had always assumed that it was an independent mom & pop operation. Imagine my surprise. It's been there for years 'n years and to be honest I don't think I've ever eaten there anyway. I'm more of a cheeseburger kinda guy.

I thought the "Support Chick Fil A Day" thing was kinda stupid, but the planned retaliatory "Same Sex Kiss-In" is even stupider.

The company president didn't say "We hate gays" or "We won't serve gays" or "We won't hire gays." Maybe his personal view is out of step with a lot of people, but I don't see the point in taking it out on the chain's individual franchises and their employees.

I'm really depressed about this right now.  My best friend has become so militant on this issue that we can barely talk, and he has completely abandoned his faith in God.  It is breaking my heart.

That ^ is very sad indeed, Indy.  :bluesad:

Where does a South African stand on this issue? Well, I like chicken and I am a celibate bisexual male ~ I could never be 100% gay as I am very much attracted to women ~ and I do have my religious beliefs. The God I believe in made me this way and I try and live my life right: no drinking hard liquor, no smoking, no drugs, no sleeping around: straight edge, as Jase would say.  :smile:

As far as Mr Cathy's beliefs go, I have no problem with him voicing them and I have no issues with his stores not opening on Sundays.

So this issue is a storm in a tub of chicken as far as I'm concerned.

I don't think it's a great idea to boycott Chick-Fil-A, but I understand the position of those who wish to do so. I vehemently disagree with anybody who is anti-homosexuality, but if they wish to voice those opinions, they are more than free to do so. Unwise for a business, but they are a private entity and can say whatever they wish.

Note: They are not free to do whatever they wish. There's a reason there are anti-discrimination hiring laws in this country. Although, it should be stated that while the Chick-Fil-A owner has stated his anti-homosexual views, his company has done nothing that actively flouts these laws.

While it is true that most Americans identify themselves as Christian, it is not true to assume that all of these people are anti-homosexuality. The actual percentage of Christians who view homosexuality as a sin is undoubtedly much lower than the overall percentage of Christians. Christian belief is not a monolithic entity, and to assume that all Christians hold the same beliefs about everything is a fundamentally flawed position. I've stated before that many, if not most, homosexuals I know are active churchgoers. Disagree with their interpretation of Christianity? Well, they disagree with yours.

In the long run, I think this kerfuffle is a good thing. Bringing homosexuality into the national discourse is important. Communicating ideas and arguments is valuable, and the primary way we advance as a species. I'm wholeheartedly disappointed that we still have to hear things like this, but we gain nothing by ignoring conflict. Sometimes it goes the other way, but open argument is one of the best ways to promote understanding. Better than hidden hatreds and agendas.

As far as Chick-Fil-A is concerned, their food is okay. I like it, but it's not amazing. Then again, it's pretty hard to mess up fried chicken. It's delicious.

Lastly, and I don't mean to hector this point, but it's pretty crass to come out against homosexuality while pointing out straight males tendency to get aroused by two lesbians kissing as understandable, as long as they are attractive.

I never claimed to be perfect!!!!!
And I am certainly aware that many Christians do not accept the Bible's teachings on homosexuality.  But our Japanese friend (I am assuming from his screen name that he is so) did not seem to understand why many Americans are uncomfortable with homosexuality, and that is (I think) largely due to the influence of the Bible's condemnation of it.

I have heard the samethings, however there has never been one in my neck of the woods ever, at least as long as I've been around.

I definitely  wouldn't want to work there

Check out this article http://smallbusiness.chron.com/approved-open-chickfila-11450.html


I have taken part in interviewing people and we could not even ask the person their  age.

I would think that that a lot of these requirements would be illegal.


Far as the boycott, sounds to me like both parties are exercising their rights of free speech  I  definitely don't agree with some of the right wing organizations they support.

If we boycotted every company that supported policies we don't agree with, we would have a tough time buying anything.  I am very happy to let everyone have their own opinions.  If I like a product, I will buy it.  If I don't, I won't.  I think Tom Cruise is a real weirdo . . . but I enjoy all those damned MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE movies anyway.

I cannot support gay marriage for it goes against my Christian beliefs. I have also had several homosexual friends that I loved dearly. I do not hate gay folks but I don't support their lifestyle. I think it is between them and God what they do in their personal life whether I think it is wrong or not. I have been in a couple of serious arguments since this boycott subject started and I do believe in their right to free speech....however,I also believe in the Chick-Fil-A owner's right as well. He has never said that gay folks are refused service,just that he cannot support gay marriage. Isn't that his right just as is their right to object? As for this "kissing' thing,well,I'd rather not watch anyone do it. That's a personal experience that shouldn't be simply done for an audience. Gay or straight.
Sadly,I consider this a moral issue being exploited to distract America from whatever is really being done in Washington.

NSFW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO-msplukrw

The nearest Chick-Fil-A is thousands of kilometers from me, so I guess that settles the issue.
But if it truly is between them and god, why stop them from marrying by law? YOU are a christian. YOU cannot marry people of the same sex. Why force secular people to not to do things that YOU, as a christian cannot do? You are infringing their freedom.

Yeah, there's probably something to that.

I find it funny how people who are boycotting this is really not hurting the CEO or the owner. Really that's not going to leave a mark, it's just a waste of time.

i believe i asked "why is gayness of such concern?". what i meant was why is the nation so worried about this instead of something more important? really, who cares about who is gay? when some new law gets passed or some major company "loses" 300 billion dollars and gets bailed out by our money, what do we do? not much if anything. when somebody talks about not supporting a different lifestyle, we line up by the thousands across the country! we are so distracted. not to say that this issue is not important, it is for both sides, but this whole thing is silly. oh and by the way, i enjoy watching 2 chicks go at it, sometimes 3 or 4. but 2 dudes? thats just inappropriate.

In my observation, our media is always pro-sodomy and anti-Christian, and "tolerance" always only goes in one direction. The reason I oppose "marriage" between two people of the same sex is because it legally imposes their phony definitions of marriage on the rest of us and discriminates against those of us who oppose them based on our creed.

Case in point: the pro-sodomy groups are forever complaining about hiring and firing discrimination, but the preacher at my church was, in fact, forced to resign from a company where he was employed back before he was a preacher because they were ordering all of their employees into some kind of convention or parade or something promoting sodomy. Needless to say, I don't think any of the hate-mongering hypocrites currently screaming against Chick-Fil-A much care about what happened to him, or what happens to the great many more Christians like him they're oppressing and discriminating against in their workplaces. (Incidentally, his courageous stand also convinced another Christian lady to quit.)

Sodomy supporters are always acting as if giving the sodomites their way on "marriage" would be harmless to the rest of us. Oh really? I submit, for your consideration, that sodomy supporters are fascist thugs, that they have bullied, oppressed, and persecuted us using what perverted laws they already have in place, and that they very much intend to use same-sex "marriage" to do the same thing.

More cases in point:

Will anybody who doesn't believe in same-sex "marriage" be allowed to refuse to be the photographers at a same-sex "wedding" on First Amendment grounds? [urlhttp://www.lifesite.net/news/photographers-guilty-of-discrimination-for-refusing-to-shoot-same-sex-weddi]The tyrants in black robes in a New Mexico court say no.[/url]

Speaking of tyrants in black robes, California's Proposition 8 amendment to the state constitution passed with overwhelming support from black Democrats, whereupon the sodomy supporters took it to court. Judge Vaughn R. Walker, who's er, into sodomy himself, refused to recuse himself from the case. Gosh, wonder what his decision was? It's pretty blatantly lawless to rule a constitutional amendment un-Constitutional, but other judicial tyrants stood by their fellow judicial tyrant's decision saying this (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/02/california-court-decides-voters-were-wrong-for-not-wanting-gay-marriage/), of course. By the way, if you support Proposition 8, sodomy supporters think they should "Burn [your] f---ing churches to the ground, and then tax the charred timbers." (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_GQOaRYZ4cBnhcquSfwetEI;jsessionid=CAB17B246B87C1A3468B9520BD6FD7B5)

Then there's North Carolina's Proposition 1, which passed 60-40. The sodomy supporters' responses? Here's one of the nicer ones: "Can I just kill everyone in North Carolina?" (http://twitchy.com/2012/05/08/north-carolina-bans-gay-marriage-liberals-freak-out/) That link leads to a lot more of this civility from all those loving, tolerant sodomy supporters who just can't quite bring themselves to understand why I'm so bitterly opposed to all this loving and tolerance of theirs.

Their child-recruiting group GLSEN is pushing kiddie porn in schools to ever-younger groups of kids (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2009/12/breaking-obamas-safe-schools-czar-is-promoting-porn-in-the-classroom-kevin-jennings-and-the-glsen-reading-list/) using our tax dollars. Here's one of the cleaner passages from one of the books they're pushing:



--Reflections of a Rock Lobster (http://www.glsen.org/cgi-bin/iowa/all/booklink/record/1593.html)

Question: in view of of their pushing this sick stuff on our kids, why hasn't every GLSEN member been arrested for child molesting and moral turpitude?

Answer: Because it's mental child molesting. That's different. We have to be tolerant of it because it's "free" speech (paid for with tax dollars) and they're "fighting hatred" (of pederasty and pedophilia) in our schools. Only a hateful Christian bigot could possibly be opposed making kids read pederastic porn, obviously.

Mercifully, "Safe School Czar" Kevin Jennings, who spearheaded this effort in our schools with full support from the current administration in the White House (not to mention NAMBLA), is gone (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/05/no-more-fiting-tips-obamas-porn-pushing-safe-schools-czar-is-stepping-down-in-july/). Not so mercifully, GLSEN is still very much in our public schools, and continues to push this perversion on our kids. Gosh, why would anybody be afraid to trust sodomites and their supporters with our kids?

Of course, if same-sex "marriage" were legalized, people would almost have to let these perverts "adopt" children and show them these books to help indoctrinate them with their sicko beliefs, wouldn't they?

And if a scientific study (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000610) makes the mild observation that children on the whole tend to be at a bit of a disadvantage being raised under two "mommies" or "daddies" as compared to the traditional family, well, the people who did that study will have to be "scrutinized" (http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/07/13/ut-austin-scrutinizes-ethics-controversial-same-sex-parenting-study) (bullied) won't they? Do you suppose we'd be seeing any of this "scrutiny" from the usual suspects if the study had made the contrary observation? That's a little something to remember the next time sodomy supporters claim the science is on their side: it's easy to bend science to one's agenda when contrary observations are outlawed. That's one reason you'd never know there's no such thing as a "gay" gene and sodomites are most definitely not "born that way."

Needless to say, sodomy supporters are also determined to outlaw reparative therapy (http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/democrat-admits-attack-on-parental-rights-is-the-whole-point-of-banning-sex) just to make sure that nobody is allowed to change his or her sexual desires. De Cecco's analysis of Kinsey's work which suggested that it was telling us sexuality is "changeable as the weather" (http://www.narth.com/docs/1995papers/johnson.html) will, of course, have to be outlawed too.

I could go on, but I think it should suffice to say that as far as I can see, same-sex "marriage" doesn't really have anything to do with love or liberty, but only with promoting perversion and outlawing all dissenting opinions. If a man wants to "marry" another man or a woman another woman, they can already draw up a private legal contract conferring all the general legal benefits of marriage on them; plenty of lawyers are more than willing (for a fee) to play along with any definition of marriage you may have, including if you'd like to marry your sheep. (You might still not be allowed to have sex with your sheep depending on your state's laws, but you can marry them.) Inheritance laws, likewise, allow you to leave everything to whomever you wish, including pets, wild animals, and inanimate objects. (e.g. "I hereby leave my entire vast fortune to be burned on a campfire.")

If marriage is really what you want, there is absolutely nothing in American law preventing you from being married in the eyes of any god who'll have you right now. (The Christian God won't, no matter what any of the Bible-rejecting pretend-Christians who support sodomy may say.) What the sodomite bullies and thugs are seeking is to be married in the eyes of their god the state, which will then allow them to punish dissenting thought criminals such as Christians with unemployment, heavy fines, and possibly prison time. If the sodomites were really into marital liberty, they could call for privatization; instead, they demand the state be their bully pulpit. That's why true Christians and everyone else who believes in religious liberty should resist it.

This latest assault on Chick-Fil-A is merely one in a long line of thuggish assaults on religious liberty in America, and I am somewhat heartened to see that people still resist these anti-religious hate campaigns. With these perverts poisoning the minds of the next generation in our public schools, however, I can only wonder how much longer we'll be able to hold out. The nearest Chick-Fil-A is an hour's drive from my house, but the next time I'm down in the city, I think I'll pay it a visit for lunch.

It was such a crazy thing. People going out for chicken in protest of a protest.

This is why I watch CNBC and sportscenter not pundit shows. The fault really lies with the initial reaction from liberals though. Surely there are bigger fish to fry than some CEO's rather normal beliefs.

Well, for that bigoted and hypocritical attitude, GLAAD and PFLAG and a whole host of others would like to force you to watch 2 dudes going at it. In fact, they'd like a whole bunch of dudes have a go at you in prison.

Incidentally, people do complain when the government wastes our money too: if anything history is far more likely to despise Barney Frank for his incestuous financial relationship with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae than for letting that one guy whatsizname run a gay prostitution ring from his house decades ago. It's just, what are they going to do about it? Our media's also not about to report on all the government's thieving and waste when Democrats are in power, and it's likely that a fair number of the people who voted for these guys actually approve of all this thieving and waste anyway.

Phony definition of marriage? I suppose you use the bible's definition. Okay. Go ahead. But don't stop others from doing their own thing. If you don't like gay marriage, then don't marry a guy. It's that simple. But let others do what they please. You are the one imposing your will on others, in a way that limits their freedom.


I don't know the whole story here.



Sure..that makes sense in so many ways...actually, no. By "us", I guess you mean christians. Truly, they are the most persecuted minority (at 80% of the population) in America. It's truly sad that a christian man could NEVER become president. I've heard that they have to go to mass in secret. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megachurch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megachurch) )
Also, the bullying that christian kids have to go through once their faith is made public. How many suicides were commited by the faithful, because of their persecution?

Oh wait. That's not the case at all...
Kids who are gay on the other hand, do have a bullying problem. Usually inflicted upon them by ignorant christians. Usually, but not all the time, of course.


I think that this is wrong. Even if the photographer refused for stupid reasons, he should've been able to do so. It's his right after all.



I'm not familiar with proposition 8. However, don't try to make a strawman argument. I've seen worse comments about Jessica Ahlquist by the other side. Death threats were commonplace.


See above.


I'm not sure about "pushing" this on the kids. Are they forced to read it? I really don't know.

And why do you equate homosexuality with pedophilia? They are not the same thing at all, you know. Two consenting adults can do as they please. If someone rapes a child, he deserves the harshest of punishments.


Just because someone is gay, doesn't mean he or she rapes children. Get this through your head. Would an orphan really be at a better place in an orphanage than in a loving home with two parents?
And as for indoctrinating children with their sicko beliefs, that should hit quite close to home to you, shouldn't it? And I doubt that gay parents try to raise their adopted children to be gay. After all, they should know what it is like to have heterosexuality forced on them by their parents. Well, I guess most of them.


The criticism of the study seems valid. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/debra-umberson/texas-professors-gay-research_b_1628988.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/debra-umberson/texas-professors-gay-research_b_1628988.html)

If you make a study with an already decided outcome, you will make it so that you will get that outcome.
And whether they are born this way (which I belive they do) or not, makes no difference in the question of marriage.


Good. You can't pray the gay away. The people who say that you can are most likely delusional, or possibly want your money.
I find it disgusting that certain christians tell homosexuals that they are sinners, less than human, and that they need Jesus in their lives. No. This is evil. They deserve the same rights as all human beings, and should not be treated differently.


What are you babbling about? What world do you live in? Do you seriously believe that? They want to get married, for f**k's sake. If anyone can be accused of punishing thought crime, it's the religious. Noone is going to take your jobs or put you in prison...I can't believe I have to tell you this.



Good question. I want religion out of schools too.

Naku, all that diatribe will accomplish is to get this thread shut down.
Remember when I said something about "playing nice"?  This isn't it.

The most interesting thing to come out of this has been the mayors and such trying to shut down Chick-Fil-A or deny them business licenses, etc.  It's one of the very few times I've seen where I think the rights claim of someone being persecuted by leftists for their beliefs is completely correct.

A few points...

Chick-Fil-A has pretty good food.  They also have the healthiest food of any fried foods fast food chain, interestingly enough. 

I actually think it's cool they're closed on Sunday, I wish more businesses were open fewer days - days of rest are good for everyone, in my opinion.  They cement social bonds and give people more time to themselves and their families. 

That said, I find it completely bizarre they'd drag their religious beliefs into this area of their business.  Why even talk about it at all? 

This is where I'm applying it.  :tongueout:

That's exactly what I find so bizarre about this. Remember the good old days, when a restaurant served food, and its owners had little to say publicly about anything not related to food? Remember when the only thing people considered when deciding where to dine was what they wanted to eat? Why is everyone so determined to let this stuff spill over into every part of life?

When I do business, I concern myself with the business I'm in. I try to set aside personal issues and be professional. And when I dine out, I just want to enjoy the food. I don't want to be thinking about whether I agree with the restaurant owner about this, that or the other thing.

It's as though we've been so bombarded in the last 50 years by the virtues of standing up and speaking out and exercising rights that we've lost any sense of the appropriate time and place for things. We've forgotten the importance of knowing when to just shut up and do your job, or shut up and try to get along, or shut up and enjoy your chicken. As a society, we've got it into our heads that evil will triumph if we let anything slide, even if that means living in a perpetual state of righteous indignation.

I'm not trying to put myself beyond this by praising it, but -- this is very well said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anTMH-0hjGs

Oh-oh yeh, no doubt!  Windbag. 

The thing is, the interviewer ASKED Mr. Cathy the question.  It wasn't like he went on the air with a PSA.  If someone asks me my opinion on something, I am going to give it to him!  (I am sure you guys did not know that!)

Yeh, but nobody asked Nakuyabi...  :lookingup: :teddyr:

That, and all the grade school fellatio.  :buggedout:

All of this just proves my point: you and your pervert buddies are all hate-mongering totalitarian thugs, and all of this "marriage" nonsense is just another power play in your true agenda: suppression of all our First Amendment rights, and establishment of your totalitarian thuggery as the state religion with government schools as your madrassas.

With all due respect, as the long time representative of the right wing end of thinking on this forum, I would like to say:

You are nutty.

I see no reason to "play nice" when your enemies are playing for keeps. If AHD and Cthulhu and a great many others like them had their way, you and so very many others wouldn't be allowed to post threads at all. From what I've seen of your posting, you think "playing nice" means treating your friends like your enemies and your enemies like your friends! Try treating your friends like your friends and your enemies like your enemies for a change.

You've failed to address any of my points. And I don't want to take away your right to have religion. But I do want to be left alone. If you choose to live your life under an imaginary dictator and his servants, go ahead. Don't force it down on my throat though. Or any child's throat for that matter.
As for establishing a state religion: that's precisely what I DON'T want. But why am I even bothering to use reason against someone who has clearly rejected it?

With all due respect, squishy "representatives" like you are the reason the right wing keeps losing fights it should easily have won.

You don't win people by getting in their faces and screaming.
You win people over by showing them that you are thoughtful, intelligent, and willing to consider their point of view.
Then you show WHY you think your way is better.
Posting excerpts from kiddie porn (which, incidentally, many homosexuals would be horrified if they read!) and accusing people in this fine forum of being "totalitarian thugs" because they don't agree with you will earn you nothing but a quick trip to the exit.

By the way, are you a member of Westboro Baptist Church?