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Title: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: Trevor on November 05, 2012, 04:01:57 AM
So, with that in mind, please get out there and vote for whomever your party or candidate is, vote the way you want to (and not how or for whom the media tells you to) and whatever the result is later in the week, I trust the result will be the best for the USA.  :cheers:


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 05, 2012, 08:15:38 AM
I'm voting Eric B for president

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnEYVqGmoNY


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: Ed, Ego and Superego on November 05, 2012, 01:10:48 PM
My two cents on the voting.... "If you are part of a society that votes, then do so. There may be no candidates and no measures you want to vote for...but there are certain to be ones you want to vote against. In case of doubt, vote against. By this rule you will rarely go wrong."
RA Heinlein- The Notebooks of Lazarus Long.

-Ed


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: tracy on November 05, 2012, 02:42:07 PM
After a lot of searching I finally found a candidate I can fully support...

(http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/dagwood-for-president-625x300.jpg)


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: AndyC on November 05, 2012, 02:48:54 PM
As a neighbour, I just hope that whichever way the election goes, people will respect the result and get behind the winner.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: Ed, Ego and Superego on November 05, 2012, 04:46:29 PM
Once I was despondant iover an election, and my father gave me this bit of doggerel:

PLEDGE OF UNITY

The election is over,
The results are known.
The will of the people
Has clearly been shown.

Let's forget the quarrels
And show by our deeds.
We will give our leader
All the help that he needs.

So let's all get together
And let bitterness pass,
I'll hug the elephant
And you can kiss the a$$

.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 05, 2012, 05:44:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jKszduiK8E


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: El Misfit on November 05, 2012, 06:24:30 PM
Because why not?
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/comic-riffs/StandingArt/PREZpearls.gif?uuid=FeBK6iRtEeK6KSOKasNqCA)


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: indianasmith on November 05, 2012, 11:08:09 PM
I am excited and hopeful!  Going to the polls tomorrow!


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 06, 2012, 11:27:14 AM
I am excited and hopeful!  Going to the polls tomorrow!

Good luck Indy, you got my write in vote!


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: ChaosTheory on November 06, 2012, 11:58:59 AM
(http://bmj2k.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/bill-and-opus-17056165337.jpg)


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: A_Dubya on November 06, 2012, 12:00:24 PM
I'm voting Eric B for president

I endorse this.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: tracy on November 06, 2012, 01:05:52 PM
Because why not?
([url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/comic-riffs/StandingArt/PREZpearls.gif?uuid=FeBK6iRtEeK6KSOKasNqCA[/url])


:teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr:


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: Ed, Ego and Superego on November 06, 2012, 02:21:52 PM
([url]http://bmj2k.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/bill-and-opus-17056165337.jpg[/url])


Me too.  Kodos wasn't running.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 06, 2012, 06:33:19 PM
I'm calling it for Jill Stein.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: HappyGilmore on November 06, 2012, 07:11:51 PM
Can't be good either way.

As a Libertarian, welp, I got mine in.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 06, 2012, 07:51:07 PM
Aargh! Liquor stores are closed in Kentucky while the polls are open!  :hatred:


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: LilCerberus on November 06, 2012, 08:59:52 PM
Can't be good either way.

As a Libertarian, welp, I got mine in.

Well, they're in third, which is better Constitutional party, & way better than the Green Party.
 :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: InformationGeek on November 06, 2012, 09:07:51 PM
Vote this morning folks and I was 58th voter in my district.  As I remember the ballot, there's only thing left the say, "What the hell is the Constitutional Party?"


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: El Misfit on November 06, 2012, 11:33:24 PM
I think Indy is crying >:)  :tongueout: JK, though. :smile:


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: indianasmith on November 06, 2012, 11:50:14 PM
Actually, I am.  I am heartbroken for my country.  I truly believe this is the end of America as we know it, and what we will become in the next four years will SUCK! :hatred:


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: Criswell on November 06, 2012, 11:50:38 PM
Just in case no one noticed, Puerto Rico is now a state.

http://www.ceepur.org/REYDI_NocheDelEvento/index.html#en/default/OPCIONES_NO_TERRITORIALES_ISLA.xml


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: Pilgermann on November 07, 2012, 01:05:30 AM
Aargh! Liquor stores are closed in Kentucky while the polls are open!  :hatred:

You should've gone the night before like I did.   :cheers:

I'm pretty apathetic when it comes to politics, probably 'cause I'm so ignorant about them, haha!  I'm afraid I didn't cast my vote, and I'm not exactly proud of being in the non-voting crowd but I feel stupid voting if I feel uninformed.  Entirely my fault of course.  I'm not upset with the outcome, though.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: bob on November 07, 2012, 01:11:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: AndyC on November 07, 2012, 05:33:09 AM
Vote this morning folks and I was 58th voter in my district.  As I remember the ballot, there's only thing left the say, "What the hell is the Constitutional Party?"

They believe all citizens should go for a walk every morning.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 07, 2012, 01:22:06 PM
Just in case no one noticed, Puerto Rico is now a state.

[url]http://www.ceepur.org/REYDI_NocheDelEvento/index.html#en/default/OPCIONES_NO_TERRITORIALES_ISLA.xml[/url]


They're not a state yet, the Puerto Rican people just voted in a referendum that they were in favor of applying for statehood. I think that they will eventually be admitted as the 51st state, however.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: tracy on November 07, 2012, 01:37:33 PM
Actually, I am.  I am heartbroken for my country.  I truly believe this is the end of America as we know it, and what we will become in the next four years will SUCK! :hatred:
I have to agree with Indy here.....I was very disappointed in the results and just don't know what will go on in this term. Yet,our vote doesn't elect the president so I suppose my griping doesn't really matter. Sigh! :thumbdown:


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: ChaosTheory on November 07, 2012, 01:39:45 PM
Can't be good either way.

As a Libertarian, welp, I got mine in.

Yeah, me too.



Vote this morning folks and I was 58th voter in my district.  As I remember the ballot, there's only thing left the say, "What the hell is the Constitutional Party?"

They believe all citizens should go for a walk every morning.

 :bouncegiggle: I'd support that!


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: Jim H on November 07, 2012, 03:24:10 PM
Actually, I am.  I am heartbroken for my country.  I truly believe this is the end of America as we know it, and what we will become in the next four years will SUCK! :hatred:

Honest question, what has changed in your life or those in your community in the past four years that makes you think the country is essentially wrecked?

In simple terms, I've not seen any giant changes that make me think the country is enormously changed in any meaningful way.  I don't see that changing in the next four. 

I remember liberals saying the same thing when Bush got re-elected, and I had the same thoughts then.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: indianasmith on November 07, 2012, 06:08:36 PM
The out of control spending.  This President added more to the debt in four years than any President in U.S. history, and plans to pile on more debt in his next term.  Eventually, China cuts up our credit cards and collapse follows.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: El Misfit on November 07, 2012, 06:38:38 PM
Just one question Indy- Who is America in debt to? America cannot be in debt to itself, cuz that would mean that the rich will have all of the money.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 07, 2012, 06:50:32 PM
The problem with republicans is people think, correctly, that whatever cuts they make to wasteful spending programs will simply be added on to the military empire. As pointless as many, i would say all, of those domestic programs are, they are all better than bombing people.  I think Rand Paul is the one to lead them out of the woods on that. He's more of a modern thinker on those issues


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: Jim H on November 07, 2012, 06:59:33 PM
The out of control spending.  This President added more to the debt in four years than any President in U.S. history, and plans to pile on more debt in his next term.  Eventually, China cuts up our credit cards and collapse follows.

So, you're worried China will deliberately destory its most important trading partner?

You're right to be worried about the debt, and Obama should have done more to cut spending when Congress failed to pass his tax hikes (especially as government revenue declined in a sluggish economy) - but I really think you're jumping the gun in being heart-broken over a destroyed country.  Many economic indicators indicate things will get better in the next four years - and the president can only do so much to help or hinder such things anyway.  And I really don't think you have to worry TOO much about China's actions here.

Cheer up.   :cheers:


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: El Misfit on November 07, 2012, 07:00:45 PM
Lester, in my expierece, the current Gov. of Louisiana has done more damage than good, with budget cuts that is taking away engineering at colleges like LSU. Thankfully, I'm at Delgado that still has engineering as an option, which I'm taking.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: indianasmith on November 07, 2012, 07:01:53 PM
Not so much destroy us as OWN us.  Economic peonage to the absolutely amoral People's Republic is what I see coming.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: bob on November 07, 2012, 10:03:55 PM
Indy's grim outlook for America is basically the same as every Republican friend I have. It's sour grapes in my opinion.

I'm cautiously optimistic because Romney encouraged Republicans to work with Obama in his concession speech. Obama said he's willing to work with Republicans in his victory speech.

I think it's pretty cool that Tammy Baldwin became the first openly gay person to be elected to the U.S. Senate.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: Mofo Rising on November 08, 2012, 04:56:08 AM
Ah, don't worry. China is giving every indication that they are living on the edge of an economic bubble that is going to burst at any time. For a communist nation, they are the poster model for the danger of capitalism unrestrained. They will implode because the map does not match the territory.

Really, the only reason I'm glad Obama won is because I think there are some very basic social issues that need time to breath. The war against gay marriage I find idiotic. This election will let that particular issue breath, and then will we will all stop worrying about it and let it be.

More importantly, the issue of human-based climate change, which almost every single scientist is arguing for, will no longer be set to the side as niche-issue. Sure there are some good arguments against its possibility, but almost nobody in the scientific community believes those. Get rid of the cherry-picking because the opposite makes political sense to you.

But what I really hope for is that party obstructionism will end. Romney's concession speech was wonderful. We're facing some incredibly tough times. I don't care what party you subscribe to, we really need to put party politics aside and work together to put this country back into the privileged position we've occupied for years.

As to why the Repulican party lost, can I mention a few things. I'm young, I'm a "minority," and I vote. Recognize me.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 08, 2012, 09:11:57 AM
INdy- it's here. economic whatever that is is here


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: ulthar on November 09, 2012, 10:42:23 PM

Honest question, what has changed in your life or those in your community in the past four years that makes you think the country is essentially wrecked?



The economic growth that is reported is not keeping pace with inflation, at least by some indicators (never a good sign).

On 31 Dec 2007, the DJIA closed at $12,800.  Today, it closed at $12,815.  That's pretty flat, even not correcting for inflation.

How much would that $12,800 be worth today when corrected for inflation?

$13,757

That's a loss of about 7% value.  Since the market was essentially flat over the last four years and inflation has been about 7.5%, that means for ever dollar you put in the bank in 2008 is only worth about 92 cents now.

No one in their right mind would call that acceptable.

What could Obama have done to change that?  Perhaps nothing.  Well...nothing in a "positive" sense, because he could have DECREASED the size and involvement of government in the operation of the economy and he did exactly the opposite.  If he had done so, we may not have seen the effect in four years, so we cannot lay any blame for this at his feet directly.

What we CAN lay at his feet is that the national debt exceeds the freaking national GDP.  Anyone that does not understand the importance of that absolutely should not have the right to vote.

In short, such a system is unsustainable.  It's beyond a perpetual motion machine.  There is absolutely NO WAY a nation can survive in this economic mode.  It's not fun and games, it's not cute sound bites and platitudes.  It simply can not work.

I'm not big on about.com in general, but I do think this page (http://useconomy.about.com/od/fiscalpolicy/p/US_Debt.htm) gives a pretty good synopsis on the facts and figures.

And, to answer your specific question, some people define their nation as their community.  I look around me, and see entire shopping centers closed down, boarded up.  I see businesses that have existed for decades or longer closed.   I often hear friends and neighbors talking about losing their homes or their jobs.  The fear and concern is very, very real.

People are hurting.  Is that Obama's fault...did he cause it?  Of course he did not cause it.  But the one thing he can do to HELP, maybe not FIX it, but HELP, that is...to butt the hell out of everyone's lives, he's not done.  Continued government spending at current levels, much less increases, spending that DEMANDS taxation of those left working, cannot win anything in a system that already exceeds the economic output of the nation.




Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 09, 2012, 10:50:31 PM
 the Dow has been essentially flat since the 90's.

(https://investmentscore.com/files/editorials/1.%202009%20Nov/Chart%201a.jpg)

if you add in inflation it gets much uglier. Gold has gone from 300 or less an ounce to nearly 2000 an ounce in that time courtesy of Greenspan then Bernanke.

"the lost decade" is an expression that you may have heard


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: ulthar on November 09, 2012, 11:04:23 PM

 the Dow has been essentially flat since the 90's.


True, but the question was specifically how are things now compared to 4 years ago.  No one that's looking at the data could possibly conclude that things are not worse now than 2008.



Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: RCMerchant on November 10, 2012, 05:35:42 AM
The Presidident of the United States of America-
dam-
he cannot control the economy!!
Not possible.
No one can.
Its a monster that got out of control long ago.As far as inflation goes-blame Obama? BLAME YOURSELF.
Video games,fast food,cheapliving,-welfare,drugs-
we are a "LETS PARTY!" society-and its catching up with us.
What happened to farmers and factory workers?
I work in a factory.
NO ONE CARES. :bluesad:
f**k Republicans,f**k Democrats.
f**k POLITICS!
MY FAMILY IS HUNGRY!
Come to Michigan!
CHECK IT OUT!

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/RCMerchant/tumblr_lf89wxB3ja1qe0eclo1_r34_500-2.gif)


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: RCMerchant on November 10, 2012, 05:47:31 AM
Southwest Michigan is a very white trash hell. No jobbs. Nothiiiiing here.We are DYING.
Small towns are dying....f**k your god,come to the world of poor white trash,n****rs and spicks.
We LOVE each other.REALLY!
We still fight-of course-but we have the smarts to know that politics wont help us.
So we steal-and kill.
JUST LIKE GOVERMENTS.
 :bluesad:


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: ulthar on November 10, 2012, 11:45:26 AM
Ronnie, please understand no one is saying Obama or any other president 'controls the economy.'  At least I am not.  I specifically said if he did anything we not even see a result from he did.

But, there are things that he CAN and DID do that will have long term effects.  He is intimately involved with the spending of public money...he has instituted programs and spent political capital to influence Congress to spend amounts that exceed the output of the entire US economic base.

Is he worse than Bush in this regard?  We could debate that, but honestly that debate does not interest me.  All I care about is the facts, and let me review the ones that are important to me:

(1) It was during Obama's first term that US national debt exceeded GDP.  Unless this comes down, the national economy WILL fail.  Period.   A nation simply cannot operate that way, just like your own home cannot operate that way.

(2) He has done NOTHING to check the growth in spending.  He spent more than Bush.  All indicators point to him spending more in the second term than he did in the first, especially if he perceives his re-election as validation for his spending policies.

This is not a D vs R issue.  In a way, it IS an "us vs them" issue, where the "us" is those of us, you and I included, that are effected by public spending policy that is damaging to the national economy and the "them" is ALL politicians that value their own reelection, power base or whatever over doing what is right for the nation.

I'm not saying I really would have been all that happy with a Romney victory.  Do I think he's really all that different from Obama?  No, certainly not on the issue of spending and government control.  You and I agree on the idea that "they" are pretty much all the same.

But don't think for a minute that what they do has no effect on our lives in the long term.  Look at the graph Lester posted and think about its implications.

This is important stuff.  I'm not arguing for Republican control of the same spending policies.  Please be clear on at least that point.  No matter what they say, neither party has a very good track record in recent years on this topic, and actions speak louder than words.


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: tracy on November 10, 2012, 01:10:21 PM
The Presidident of the United States of America-
dam-
he cannot control the economy!!
Not possible.
No one can.
Its a monster that got out of control long ago.As far as inflation goes-blame Obama? BLAME YOURSELF.
Video games,fast food,cheapliving,-welfare,drugs-
we are a "LETS PARTY!" society-and its catching up with us.
What happened to farmers and factory workers?
I work in a factory.
NO ONE CARES. :bluesad:
f**k Republicans,f**k Democrats.
f**k POLITICS!
MY FAMILY IS HUNGRY!
Come to Michigan!
CHECK IT OUT!

([url]http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/RCMerchant/tumblr_lf89wxB3ja1qe0eclo1_r34_500-2.gif[/url])


RC....I can't seem to stop staring at Jack....what do I do?


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: indianasmith on November 10, 2012, 06:52:32 PM
What's worse is, he can't seem to stop staring at you either, Tracy!
(Don't tell Alan!)


Title: Re: The 6th November is a big day for my family in the USA
Post by: LilCerberus on November 10, 2012, 07:27:06 PM
Obama believes he's going to teach the rich what Roosevelt taught the Rockefellers. Instead, he's going to learn what National Bank taught Jackson.