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Title: FINALLY!!!
Post by: alandhopewell on November 07, 2012, 01:48:39 PM
     This mess is over. I'm not happy with the winner, but I didn't vote for the other guy, either; I wrote in Captain America.

     This is the second Presidential election where I felt there was no one to vote for, and it all just seems like a badly-staged circus- I don't trust any of them.


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: ChaosTheory on November 07, 2012, 02:19:12 PM
I had to constantly remind myself this year that the right to vote is something people have died for.


John Adams wrote this before the Revolutionary War ended: "There is nothing I dread so much as a division of the [nation] into two great parties, each arranged under its leader and converting measures in opposition to each other....how few aim at the good of the whole, without aiming too much at the prosperity of parts!"
Don't think about that too long, or you may want to jump off a bridge  :bluesad:


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: alandhopewell on November 07, 2012, 02:59:13 PM
I had to constantly remind myself this year that the right to vote is something people have died for.


John Adams wrote this before the Revolutionary War ended: "There is nothing I dread so much as a division of the [nation] into two great parties, each arranged under its leader and converting measures in opposition to each other....how few aim at the good of the whole, without aiming too much at the prosperity of parts!"
Don't think about that too long, or you may want to jump off a bridge  :bluesad:

     My daughter, who just turned twenty-one, has never voted, and shuts me out when I remind her of the martyrs to the priviliege. I don't like it, but how can I convince her that it's worth her time, when she can see how the candidates themselves treat the process?


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: A_Dubya on November 08, 2012, 02:52:35 PM
I have voted 2 times now in a presidential election (still a relatively young fella). I still don't know how much it matters though. I just feel so insignificant in the political world of huge $$$ and shady characters.


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on November 13, 2012, 07:26:02 PM
I thought this might be interesting, as I picked these facts up from a number of different sources.

Romney did well and/or picked up the majority of . . .

regular Churchgoers
Cubans
the Elderly
non-supporters of Gay marriage
non-Hispanic Catholics
Men
Mormons (no surprise there)
Southerners w/ the exception of Floridians
Westerners w/ the exceptions of Coloradians and New Mexicans
Whites

Obama did well and/or picked up the majority of . . .

Asian-Americans
Blacks (no surprise there)
irregular Church goers
Gays and supporters of Gay marriage
Hispanic Catholics
Hispanics, excluding Cubans
Jews
New Englanders
Women
the Young


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: indianasmith on November 13, 2012, 10:08:08 PM
I find it interesting that BOTH tickets got fewer votes than they did last time.  Obama got almost 9 million fewer votes than in 08, and Romney got about 2 million fewer than McCain. (Which really surprised me, because I thought that he was a much stronger and more electable candidate than McCain!)


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: LilCerberus on November 13, 2012, 10:16:40 PM
I blame Jill Stein.
And Virgil Goode.
And Gary Johnson.


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: indianasmith on November 13, 2012, 10:18:37 PM
Does their combined percentage equal Obama's margin of victory?


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: dean on November 13, 2012, 10:21:12 PM
I find it interesting that BOTH tickets got fewer votes than they did last time.  Obama got almost 9 million fewer votes than in 08, and Romney got about 2 million fewer than McCain. (Which really surprised me, because I thought that he was a much stronger and more electable candidate than McCain!)

Just a suspicion of course, but I imagine there are quite a few people who felt a bit 'let down' after the big optimism that came leading up to the 08 election which may have put voters off on either side which may account for the lower numbers.


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: El Misfit on November 13, 2012, 11:50:23 PM
I didn't vote in this election, mainly that the yahoo's of the state triumph's over the civilized, as my dad puts it.


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: tracy on November 14, 2012, 01:28:10 PM
I'm glad it's over as well....it seems like each election has less appealing candidates and more at stake. Doesn't seem right...somehow.


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: ulthar on November 14, 2012, 03:06:35 PM

I didn't vote in this election, mainly that the yahoo's of the state triumph's over the civilized, as my dad puts it.


This can be a bigger problem than our individual choices.

The politicians and perhaps the media blast about election results being "a mandate" or validation of past/proposed policies.

If enough people do not vote, win or lose, the elections do not represent "public opinion" at all.  So, policies are made based on the "acceptance" of a very small percentage of the population...those policies that effect everyone.

A representative republic cannot operate properly without participation of the represented.


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: Doc Daneeka on November 14, 2012, 05:16:39 PM
I blame Jill Stein.
And Virgil Goode.
And Gary Johnson.
Glad Rocky Anderson is cool!


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on November 16, 2012, 04:07:43 PM
Finally???

Hardly!!!

2012 may be over, but the candidates for 2016 are already lining up at the starting gate, and because Obama cannot run for a 3rd term, we'll have twice as many candidates with twice as much noise as in 2012. Among the candidates likely to run are . . .

Republicans
ex-Governor Jeb Bush of Florida
ex-Secretary of State Condi Rice
Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey
Senator Mario Rubio of Florida
Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana
Governor Nikki Haley of South Carolina

Democrats
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
San Antonio (Texas) Mayor Juan Castro
Vice President Joe Biden
Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York
Governor Martin O'Malley of Maryland
Senator Kirsten Gillbrand of New York
Chicago (Illinois) Mayor Rahm Emanuel

And I'd add one not mentioned in the newest issue of "Time" Magazine.

Republican Governor Rick Perry of Texas.

See you all, or at least some of you, in 2016.


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: LilCerberus on November 16, 2012, 04:34:31 PM
I'm still getting robocalls from pollsters wanting to know if I'm a secessionist.


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: indianasmith on November 16, 2012, 06:40:42 PM
I'm rooting for Paul Ryan in 2016.  He was the best thing on the Republican ticket this time!


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: tracy on November 17, 2012, 01:21:17 PM
Finally???

Hardly!!!

2012 may be over, but the candidates for 2016 are already lining up at the starting gate, and because Obama cannot run for a 3rd term, we'll have twice as many candidates with twice as much noise as in 2012. Among the candidates likely to run are . . .

Republicans
ex-Governor Jeb Bush of Florida
ex-Secretary of State Condi Rice
Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey
Senator Mario Rubio of Florida
Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana
Governor Nikki Haley of South Carolina

Democrats
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
San Antonio (Texas) Mayor Juan Castro
Vice President Joe Biden
Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York
Governor Martin O'Malley of Maryland
Senator Kirsten Gillbrand of New York
Chicago (Illinois) Mayor Rahm Emanuel

And I'd add one not mentioned in the newest issue of "Time" Magazine.

Republican Governor Rick Perry of Texas.

See you all, or at least some of you, in 2016.


If Rick Perry decodes to try again I hope he's humiliated even worse. The man is a self-serving jerk who has no business in the White House. I wish he wasn't our governor. I've been keeping my eye on Bobby Jindal of Louisiana....wondering if he might really make a decent president. Gov.Chris Christie seems like a bully to me....maybe I'm wrong but I just haven't liked any of what I've seen. New Jersey folks.....let me know if I'm wrong.


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: El Misfit on November 17, 2012, 03:13:58 PM
Finally???

Hardly!!!

2012 may be over, but the candidates for 2016 are already lining up at the starting gate, and because Obama cannot run for a 3rd term, we'll have twice as many candidates with twice as much noise as in 2012. Among the candidates likely to run are . . .

Republicans
ex-Governor Jeb Bush of Florida
ex-Secretary of State Condi Rice
Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey
Senator Mario Rubio of Florida
Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana
Governor Nikki Haley of South Carolina

Democrats
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
San Antonio (Texas) Mayor Juan Castro
Vice President Joe Biden
Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York
Governor Martin O'Malley of Maryland
Senator Kirsten Gillbrand of New York
Chicago (Illinois) Mayor Rahm Emanuel

And I'd add one not mentioned in the newest issue of "Time" Magazine.

Republican Governor Rick Perry of Texas.

See you all, or at least some of you, in 2016.


If Rick Perry decodes to try again I hope he's humiliated even worse. The man is a self-serving jerk who has no business in the White House. I wish he wasn't our governor. I've been keeping my eye on Bobby Jindal of Louisiana....wondering if he might really make a decent president. Gov.Chris Christie seems like a bully to me....maybe I'm wrong but I just haven't liked any of what I've seen. New Jersey folks.....let me know if I'm wrong.
Jindal has been cutting courses in colleges, mainly engineering classes.


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: ulthar on November 17, 2012, 03:29:39 PM

Jindal has been cutting courses in colleges, mainly engineering classes.



I've worked at a few universities in my day, and I don't ever recall the Governor of the State having, or trying to exert, that level of micro-control.

I'm not even sure it's possible.

The State legislatures provide the budget for public schools, including universities.  The administrations of those schools, including Board of Regents and the like, decide how those monies are spent.  What programs get how much is up to them...not the Governor.

So, unless you can provide some sort of documented proof that the Governor is controlling the schools in this way, I'm going to have call "CRAP" on your claim.  Sorry.

In contrast, I have found several recent articles that seem to show he supports similar programs at LA's publicly funded institutions of higher learning:

http://gov.louisiana.gov/index.cfm?md=newsroom&tmp=detail&articleID=3688

http://www.lsu.edu/departments/curb/budgetupdates.shtml

http://www.nbc33tv.com/news/education/governor-jindal-announces

(and related, http://theadvocate.com/home/4049168-125/lsu-project-touted)


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: El Misfit on November 18, 2012, 01:08:22 PM

Jindal has been cutting courses in colleges, mainly engineering classes.



I've worked at a few universities in my day, and I don't ever recall the Governor of the State having, or trying to exert, that level of micro-control.

I'm not even sure it's possible.

The State legislatures provide the budget for public schools, including universities.  The administrations of those schools, including Board of Regents and the like, decide how those monies are spent.  What programs get how much is up to them...not the Governor.

So, unless you can provide some sort of documented proof that the Governor is controlling the schools in this way, I'm going to have call "CRAP" on your claim.  Sorry.

In contrast, I have found several recent articles that seem to show he supports similar programs at LA's publicly funded institutions of higher learning:

[url]http://gov.louisiana.gov/index.cfm?md=newsroom&tmp=detail&articleID=3688[/url]

[url]http://www.lsu.edu/departments/curb/budgetupdates.shtml[/url]

[url]http://www.nbc33tv.com/news/education/governor-jindal-announces[/url]

(and related, [url]http://theadvocate.com/home/4049168-125/lsu-project-touted[/url])

He uses the Budget Cuts excuses, that's why.


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: ulthar on November 18, 2012, 02:13:50 PM
1. Legislatures approve budgets.

2. Then refute the articles I listed that demonstrably show his actions are quute the opposite of your unsubstantiated claims.


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 20, 2012, 11:00:49 AM
...If Rick Perry decodes to try again I hope he's humiliated even worse. The man is a self-serving jerk who has no business in the White House. I wish he wasn't our governor. I've been keeping my eye on Bobby Jindal of Louisiana....wondering if he might really make a decent president. Gov.Chris Christie seems like a bully to me....maybe I'm wrong but I just haven't liked any of what I've seen. New Jersey folks.....let me know if I'm wrong.
Oh no, you're right Rick Perry is a jerk. 

I truly disliked CHRIS CHRISTIE until Hurricane Sandy.  Not being very political, and though I live here in NJ, I don't know much about him.  But his casting politics aside in the wake of our disaster made an admirer out of me.  If he were to run, I will look hard at his record. 


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: indianasmith on November 20, 2012, 06:42:06 PM
I think Gov. Christie is a very effective governor for New Jersey, but I seriously doubt he will ever win the GOP nomination.  He is too far left of the party's base, and tends to come across as a bit abrasive and short-tempered - which works great in NJ, but not so much in the South!


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 20, 2012, 11:33:16 PM
I think Gov. Christie is a very effective governor for New Jersey, but I seriously doubt he will ever win the GOP nomination.  He is too far left of the party's base, and tends to come across as a bit abrasive and short-tempered - which works great in NJ, but not so much in the South!
Not to mention he's so damned fat. 


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: indianasmith on November 21, 2012, 12:48:04 AM
Actually, we in the South are generally OK with fat. :cheers:

All that bacon grease! :teddyr:


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: Trevor on November 21, 2012, 04:08:33 AM
I will be running for Prez in 2016.

Free healthcare and clean undies for all.  :buggedout: :wink:


Title: Re: FINALLY!!!
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on November 27, 2012, 05:27:04 PM
I will be running for Prez in 2016.

Free healthcare and clean undies for all.  :buggedout: :wink:

Trevor, is that president of South Africa or president of the U.S.? Or are you going to make South Africa the 51st state, so you can be president of both?