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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=203_1360053143

North Korea video shows US city under attack

Didn't they snag some footage from Call of Duty?  Like no one would notice.
-Ed

We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving

 :bouncegiggle:

NK's amazing air force

http://cryptome.org/2013-info/02/dprk-airbases/dprk-airbases-01.htm

Huh.
I saw some MIG-17s, MIG-21's a couple of either SUKOI-27's and 'Frogfoot' ground attack ships...and a lot of planes with parts missing.
Of course, who knows whats underground...

probably more of the same. they've got a rundown of sorts if you go to the main page cryptome.org

North Korea WANTS to be an evil empire SO badly . . . but they are forever doomed to play the part of Igor to China's Frankenstein!

Or, as I once explained it to my kids, "North Korea envisions itself as a snarling pit bull barely restrained by the Chinese leash, but it's really more like a chihuahua with a hormone imbalance!"

Maybe they are going for  a "Mouse that Roared" Scenario. We invade then rebuild their country. 

I'm amazed at the DPRK, its like a communist theme park, or some sort of experiment.  I can't stop reading about it.

No!  The Glorious Leader made that entire video himself using only one black crayon, which is also made himself.  All hail the Glorious Leader!

there's an awesome documentary about the American soldier who deserted during the Korean war and became a citizen.

Sorry, but I have one word for a person like that - TRAITOR! :hatred:

That reminds me of what Sam Neill did with a single black crayon in the film In the Mouth Of Madness  :buggedout:

I view North Korea as a sad story.

Now, we all know North Korea as basically being the craziest of crazy. It's well deserved, the people in charge of that country are f**king lunatics.

The inherent tragedy involves the people who have to live there. It's basically a nationwide cult. Amidst widespread starvation, they are still subject to a cult of personality. I don't remember who made the documentary, I think it was National Geographic, but the people who live there don't question the basic s**ttiness of having to live in North Korea. They don't have any idea that there's anything better.

Does the rest of the world have to worry about North Korea? Well, a little bit, yes. The problem is that North Korea has militarized their own citizens, so if it came down to out and out war, they've got a lot of people ready to fight. That's why nobody really wants to step in and say something.

On the other hand, they're lunatics. They say they have nuclear capability and are doing test runs. If I had to guess, I'd say it's all bulls**t. Insular culture that is not afraid to starve its own citizens is probably a lot less technologically savvy than they'd like to portray.

I was kind of hoping that the death of Kim Jong-Il would lead to end of the soul-sucking lunacy that is North Korea. But his offspring seem to be fine with things as they are.

The real question is why does China continue to support them? What good does that do to them, or anybody for that matter?

North Korea makes China look reasonable in comparison and provides a nice distraction/diversion in the world press.

I think I should send Kim Jong Un a pair of my undies: they shall set you free, just like prune juice.  :tongueout: :buggedout: :twirl: :wink:

Careful there Trev: despite your kindly intentions, delivering your undies to him might be taken as an act of terrorism, if not an out-and-out declaration of war!  :buggedout: :bouncegiggle:

Love that movie!

I just can't wrap my mind around how the leadership of North Korea can look at other countries, like South Korea, China, or anyplace for that matter, and continue to see any point in continuing with their own political system.  Even evil has to have some point to it, and starving a whole country of people and torturing them in prison camps, just so a few leaders can live a lifestyle roughly equivalent to a middle class American - which is totally against everything they believe in anyway - that's beyond pointless.

I can't figure out why China continues to support them either.  Sure it's a useful distraction, but jeez...might as well introduce a new strain of Bubonic plague into Mongolia if they're that heartless and cruel in their need for a distraction.

 :teddyr: :teddyr:

*KJU opens packet: dust flies out, plus flies*

KJU: "SNEEZE: WTF is this: honorable ashes of most honorable Kim Great Granddaddy?"

 :buggedout: :buggedout: :wink:

Ok, there's a back story here somewhere?  Is this "undies" story on the thread someone can point me to? 

P.S.

I have a feeling this is going to be one of those things I was better off NOT knowing about, but I'm sick and I have to know.

My undies are the stuff of legend: the legend that is better for having gasoline / petrol poured over it and set alight.  :buggedout: :buggedout:

1. "Rosebud' from Citizen Kane: that was a code name for them.
2. My undies are also known as Keyser Soze.
3. Dave England from Jackass would never dare to wear them.  :tongueout:
4. The case in Ronin contained my undies: that's why Robert de Niro said he didn't remember what was in the case.  :buggedout:
5. Gandalf said YOU SHALL NOT PASS: my undies did.
6. My undies don't have many threads left in them, so they hijacked this particular thread.  :wink:

 :wink: :wink:

Wait... I don't... but... no there's gotta be... ...

*walks away confused*

 :teddyr: :teddyr:

62 posts later I get the chance to say: welcome to the site and to the wonderful family I have on here.  :thumbup: :teddyr:

Indiana- absolutely. He's definitely not a nice guy.

Jack- ethnic nationalism, the powerful wanting to hold on to their power.

Tis just a running joke, sice Trev here claims to be wearing 100 year old underwear.

I agree.

That was very well put, Newt  :cheers:

It's cut and dried pretty much...China and N. Korea have an understanding. N. Korea makes China look acceptable, when in reality they're pretty much the same thing, except for China having money to feed, cloth and educate their people, so the Chinese are basically using N. Korea's press diversions and threats to continue to pave their own road to hell with good intentions while making them look good on the world stage.

Korean or Chinese, they're all the same..a bunch of Asian communists supplied with Russian rifles.

Sometimes its better not to know, really it is.....
Indy: about the soldier, we live in a society where freedom to choose is inherent, he chose to walk out and renounce everything.  Frankly his going is pretty much our gain. Don't need nor want him.

Part of me wonders if  the Kim family is just a mafia, they have it all gravy and somehow the whole damn country buys in.  I don't SEE why or how it works in this century, I really don't. 

-Ed

Well, as Newt said before, N. Korea may be just a tool that China uses to try to legitimize Communism by saying that we can either have it N. Korea's way, or the "better" way of Chinese Communism, all while they remind the world that neither system is going anywhere soon.

And if that truly is the case, then China itself is just as deluded, with their own series of human rights violations and abuses. Only with their economy in full swing, it's as if they've created a slightly better model, with the gilded cage they've created for their citizens and the idea that the govt. is all they want and need. Just my take on it anyhow..

Good points. Of course a strong economy doesn't mean that everyone's happy and money also creates it's own evil. Trying to combine Capitalism and Communism will eventually make for a very conflicted system. Not a great example.

I'm still following this story. For a while it was going to be the new thing everybody was scared about. That's the way the media in the U.S. works.

But then Boston happened, and now nobody even remotely cares. Not a dismissal to Boston, that was terrible and f**k those guys.

What really gets me about the North Korea thing is what little respect everybody involved gives to North Korea. Basically, what they said was "We have nuclear weapons and you should all be terrified!" The universal response was "Hey, maybe you idiots should stop talking."

So, North Korea sucks. China sucks for supporting them, especially now that the idea of a Communist China is ridiculous lip-service. We all know you're capitalist, China. Just come out of the closet. It's okay, we understand and we've known all along. You don't need your beard of North Korea.

And by the way, that guy is really p**sing the entire world off.

Very true, especially when you look at the way that the Soviet Union spurned Capitalism as a "necessary" part of the Communist edict. So what they did to make up for it was simple..they took everything off of their neighbors, poured into their military to provide the illusion of power, when in reality they were so poor they couldn't even feed themselves.

Eventually their tanks and planes and military in general began to dissolve as no money was coming in. There are entire graveyards of Cold-War era military hardware that went to rot because there was no money to maintain them with.

Agreed: South Korea should fly a couple of bombers over Pyong-oing-oing-yang and drop a few empty tin "bombs" on the capital: then Mr Kim Jong Un will do one in his pants.  :tongueout: :teddyr:

BTW: the BBC broadcast an undercover documentary last week showing that North Korea is a hopelessly backward and impoverished country.

Well, I don't remember who produced this documentary on North Korea I watched. I think it was National Geographic.

But basically it presented a nation that is under the sway of a cult of personality. Basically, some Western doctors showed up and helped people with their vision problems. Glasses, etc. As the information was filtered to them, it was the benevolence of the Kim Jong-il family. They were weeping with gratitude that their beloved leader helped them fix this problem.

Now I don't want to say that "Western" society is the greatest thing ever. Far from it. But the people in North Korea live horrible lives, and the people in charge in that country are directly responsible. But the people don't get any information about the outside world, so they believe it is the benevolence of their dictators that is responsible for this good fortune. For a simple thing that is readily available in the rest of the world.

They have no access to the idea that things could be better. In the U.S.A. we take for granted freedom of information, and the guaranteed right to tell any of our leaders to f**k off. But maybe that's an anomaly, and North Korea is an anomaly in showing how bad things can get when you choose to deny your citizenship that right.

Fun fact, Putin's Russia has spent a good amount of time creating new measures to deny their citizens that right.

The right to free speech is not a given. It's constantly imperiled. You should probably speak up when some d**khole tries to take it from you, because the consequences of not defending it almost always end up awful.

Well said, Mofo, but I will take exception to one thing above: I believe Western Civilization IS "the greatest thing ever."  Not America per se, but the whole post-Enlightenment idea of government: inalienable rights, free speech, free press, free religion, and the worth of the individual.  I'm a student of world history, and I can't think of a better system that has ever existed.

Islamic golden age was pretty good. virtually stateless. Have you ever read " The Discovery of Freedom"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfJqbbkZaZ4

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Wow! I never knew America was this bad! I've lived here my whole life an never knew that I lived like this!  All of the good coffee not made from snow comes from the Glorious Leader! I should write him a thank you letter, too bad I don't have a pen or paper!

The Islamic "Golden Age" was good if you were a Muslim, but not so great for the Christians they conquered.  The Jizya tax was heavy, and collected with great humiliation and abuse.  Also, your children could be taken from you at any time and forced to serve in the Sultan's Janissary Corps.

I am unfamiliar with the book you cite.

Indy, I believe that book is considered seminal to Libertarianism.  If the argument is for sympathy for Islam, I would have expected The Mainspring of Human Progress (1947), by Henry Grady Weaver to be suggested. 

Thanks Newt!

I saw a homeless guy sleeping on a bench this morning.  I thought of the above video, then I thought it was be really fun to make a propaganda video for North Korea.  There's a decent sized homeless community here in Portland (OR) and there's even a guy that lives in a tent on a beach near where I would.  Could be fun to do some interviews then cut it all into a film to post on youtube for the North Koreans.

...

Am I crazy for thinking it would be fun to make a propaganda video for North Korea?

Every Civilization has it's ups and downs, not one is better than the rest.

Indiana / newt - Yes, It is a seminal libertarian text, written by Rose Wilder Lane, daughter of Laura Ingalls Wilder

http://mises.org/books/discovery.pdf

Islam stuff is on page 82 if anyone is so inclined. chapter The Second Attempt" 

I don't know that I agree.  I think, for all its flaws, our American system is infinitely superior to the Aztec culture, which cut the hearts out of some 20,000 victims a year to satisfy the bloodlust of their god Huitzilopitchli.  Or that of Stalinist Russia, where some 40 million were mass murdered by the government in a 35 year period. 

That being said, if I could live at any point in history, I would have loved to have been a citizen of Rome in the last century of the Republic.

I got propaganda for all of them.
Its called an ATOM BOMB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLFliTyydSs


 We all just wanna kill each other? Fast-easy. Quit playing with our dicks-DO IT,p***yS!

The scariest are societies who go from civilization to regression. That's one of the themes of Discovery of Freedom: that the growth of government was not "progressive" it was a return to barbarism.

I find that to be the fundamental flaw of libertarianism.  Without government, you have anarchy, and anarchy has never yet proven to be a good thing.  I believe in LIMITED government, but I do believe in having rules and clear consequences for violating them.  I also believe in massively retaliating against those who murder our citizens for no good reason.

Her thesis wasn't all or nothing like that. It had to do with what was going on in the world at the time, which was individual , family, community etc  power being sublimated to governments. People felt that was the way civilization was headed. She was saying no, It was in free societies that human beings discovered how to harness their creative/ individual energies. What the communists are doing isn't new, it very very old. early pagan sort of peoples believed their leaders were Gods and that their lives were determined by fate.


This was post Great Depression when people were clamoring for collectivism. She wasn't an Emma Goldman type person

This is the one.  I watched it on cable not too long ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxLBywKrTf4

Isn't the original premise of Anarchism (and subsequently Libertarianism) that the basic goodness of human nature will prevail and we will all be good to each other, given the chance (freedom)?  That we don't need to be constrained to behave acceptably by laws and their enforcement?  It's a pretty thought.

It is a very pretty, whimsical, idealistic thought!
Unfortunately, it is at odds with 5,000 years of recorded human history.
With no consequences at all for their behavior, people tend to lose their veneer of
civilization pretty quickly and give vent to their savage, violent side. Not all people -
but enough of them to make life pretty awful for those who DO try to live nice, peaceful lives!

Isn't the simplest solution to then declare the difficult cases 'non-persons' (since they do not conform to the definitive decent human behaviour) and proceed to exterminate remove them as dangerous vermin?

Oh...wait a minute...that sounds familiar...

 :tongueout:

I'm not sure there has ever been a "good" government, per se, just exercises in less evil forms of government, with some systems of government, and those who head it, going far off the deep end of the bad scale. Even our present-day American republic is bloated, clumsy, bureaucratic, corrupt, controlled by special interests, it panders to the masses and sees participation, both in elected office and in the electorate, by those who do society no favors by being there. It is, however, thus far, the best system humanity has devised. At least from what I can tell, and at least until we can evolve toward some sort of benign meritocracy, which I doubt we ever will.

I plan to dissolve the government and declare myself Emperor of the United States in the near future.  I would like all of you guys to serve on my ministry of culture.

Except RC.  I will make him Secretary of Parties. :teddyr:

I will do my solemn best to get as f**ked up as a can of worms in the whatthef**kever of my country.  :drink:

I can see it now - I'll be meeting with my council of regents, deep in discussion about whether Kim Jong Un should be executed or simply required to clean all the boy's locker rooms in the USA with his tongue, and RC will break down the door with a keg under one arm and a girl under the other, screaming
"PAAAARRRRRRTTAAAYYYYY!!!"   :cheers: :hot: :buggedout: :bouncegiggle: :twirl:
at the top of his lungs.

So, who's with me?

I'm for getting back to mild taxation with a King on the other side of the ocean. They can station soldiers in my house if they want. I will teach mine to play bass will help w/ recording.

WOW!  That Doctor was amazing 1,000 surgeries in 10 days.  I'm very happen that the Glorious Leader brought him to the country to help his people.   :lookingup:

What happens when the soldiers assault your teenage daughters? 
That was one of the issues that drove the people of Boston to the breaking point.

I don't have any.

Seriously though, we do have this thing called western civilization we are a part of. There are families communities etc that can reinforce morality, not just the government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4m75TT-ymE&feature=player_detailpage

US Troops and President Obama in nuclear flames from a North Korean nuke test. 

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Set to music from The Elder Scrolls 4.

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