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Title: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: WingedSerpent on June 19, 2013, 09:33:04 PM
Well, its a hit and perhaps the start of a DC shared movie universe akin to the Marvel One.  They wanted to start one with Green Lantern but when that movie failed, so too did those plans. 

I'll say I liked it more then I didn't but that doesn't mean some of its flaws weren't evident.

When this movie started going, IT REALLY GOT GOING.  The action scenes where great-much more an improvement over the lackluster Superman Returns. Also while there are a few nods to the Donner movies-Man of Steel doesn't feel the need to stop and point them out as SR did.  The Christopher Nolon touch, however was painfully obvious in some places.

It was also overly - dramatic in some places. Particularly when dealing with some of Johnathan Kent's moments. 

Back to what I liked.  I like how the Kryptonians where treated.  Like they were still somewhat alien, at least in there ways of thinking. The man playing Zod was intense in many of his scenes, and this played into the final action moments.  And there are a few Easter eggs for sharp eyed viewers.     

So, I liked it. 


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: Archivist on June 19, 2013, 09:53:32 PM
Man of Steel opens in Australia next week.  Sooooo looking forward to this!


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: Jim H on June 19, 2013, 10:32:38 PM
I thought it was alright.  I actually don't have too many specific complaints, other than it feeling too long.  But, at the same time, I wasn't really thrilled or anything either.

I guess I just didn't find it that enjoyable at times.  It wasn't boring either.  I know these are vague thoughts, but I saw the movie several days ago and I can't really seem to be more specific.  The action scenes are reasonably good.  Cavill is physically a great Superman, and his performance is good (though he's not Christopher Reeves).  Michael Shannon is a solid Zod, though a few times it gets hammy - I blame the script and direction, as Shannon is a GREAT actor. 

I dunno.  I just wasn't really impressed, even though I don't have any major issues.

It's a very low 7/10 from me, I guess.

*****SPOILER******



I still don't get why the kryptonians didn't just find another planet to terraform instead of Earth.  Did I miss something there? I don't recall them saying it would only work on Earth or anything.  Considering if they'd said "Kal, let us take the DNA crap out of you so we can go rebuild Krypton somewhere else" he'd have almost certainly agreed, why go the hard line?



*****END*****


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: ChaosTheory on June 20, 2013, 11:50:58 AM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww327/missteeks/superman_zps54399c9d.jpg)

 :wink:


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on June 21, 2013, 05:22:41 PM
For those who saw it and enjoyed it, it is expected to do enough business that there should be a follow-up sequel.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: akiratubo on June 21, 2013, 06:47:27 PM
I enjoyed it as long as Supes was beating the s**t out of people.  Fortunately, that was at least half the movie.  The fight with Faora and Non was worth the whole rest of the movie.

I didn't like this movie's version of Pa Kent.  I won't be spoilerific but I really, really didn't like him.

My main gripe was some of the dialogue was HORRIBLE.  You can REALLY tell what Nolan had a hand in writing.  Fortunately, Snyder took a "let's get past all this stupid talking and get to the ass-kicking" attitude toward things so that wasn't too awful.

I didn't notice any slow-mo.  If there was some it was very unobtrusive.  Could it by Snyder is actually listening to his critics?


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: InformationGeek on June 21, 2013, 07:47:29 PM
I had a great time and didn't have many too problems outside of Pa Kent.  I understand where he is coming from and what he is getting at, but seriously?

Love the part where Superman casually breaks the handcuffs without making it a big deal.  It was like he didn't even notice he had them on for a second.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: Pacman000 on June 22, 2013, 03:47:30 PM
Good movie, I guess.  Different style from the old ones, but I expected that.  Still, I liked the old style better.  At times this felt like a generic alien-invasion film.

Love the part where Superman casually breaks the handcuffs without making it a big deal.  It was like he didn't even notice he had them on for a second.
Ah..Yes that was good. :smile:


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: Archivist on June 30, 2013, 08:48:15 AM
I enjoyed Man of Steel very much, with something to like about just about everything.  I also had some caveats.  The cinematography and direction were very well done, particularly the hand-held camera work and the use of backlighting and flaring to create atmosphere.  The story was quite linear, with only a few jumps necessary to flesh out Clark's beginnings, and the rest was a very simple linear narrative.  The action scenes were heaps of fun.

Something that bothered me was the nagging sense of deja vu during the aerial fight scenes between Superman and the others.  Maybe it was because I was watching The Matrix trilogy this year, but if you watch those scenes, and think of the Matrix Revolutions, you will know what I mean.

Pa Kent?  I didn't mind him at all.  I didn't feel that his character was as fleshed out as it could have been, and Kevin Costner was perhaps wasted a bit in that role.  We've all seen him do considerably more deep roles than Jonathan Kent.

The 'Superman as Jesus/Messiah' angle was played a bit, too.  Some of it a little too obvious, but that's got to be Snyder.  I don't see Christopher Nolan doing something that blatantly.

But those things are minor compared with the much larger enjoyment of this movie.  It's a great reboot and I think the production company have set themselves well for a trilogy.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: Chainsawmidget on June 30, 2013, 10:40:19 AM
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The 'Superman as Jesus/Messiah' angle was played a bit, too.  Some of it a little too obvious, but that's got to be Snyder.  I don't see Christopher Nolan doing something that blatantly.
Did you watch his Batman movies? 

Subtlety is not his strong point. 


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: Archivist on June 30, 2013, 09:13:39 PM
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The 'Superman as Jesus/Messiah' angle was played a bit, too.  Some of it a little too obvious, but that's got to be Snyder.  I don't see Christopher Nolan doing something that blatantly.
Did you watch his Batman movies? 

Subtlety is not his strong point. 

I know what you mean, but the Jesus references were a bit much even for Nolan.  Seriously, Clark is in a church and a blazing stained glass window with Jesus is behind his head?


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: Puma81 on July 07, 2013, 03:29:58 AM
1. For Snyder, this was a BIG improvement. (That's not saying much). It was his LEAST like a Rock N Roll music video, movie, to date.
2. You will LIKE this intense movie if action and cinematography are your priority.
3. You will HATE this awful piece of GARBAGE if Story and Characters are your priority.

It does some things well, and others terribly, and that's why everyone is on the fence.
Snyder should quit directing and take up cinematography. It would be best for everyone.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: Archivist on July 08, 2013, 09:56:47 PM
1. For Snyder, this was a BIG improvement. (That's not saying much). It was his LEAST like a Rock N Roll music video, movie, to date.
2. You will LIKE this intense movie if action and cinematography are your priority.
3. You will HATE this awful piece of GARBAGE if Story and Characters are your priority.

It does some things well, and others terribly, and that's why everyone is on the fence.
Snyder should quit directing and take up cinematography. It would be best for everyone.


Not sure how much control Snyder exerted over the cinematography, but Amir Mokri was the DoP for Man of Steel.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0596360/

He also shot Transformers: Dark Side of the Moon, Coyote Ugly and The Joy Luck Club, among many others.  But I do agree, the cinematography in MoS was amazing.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: Puma81 on July 09, 2013, 12:22:34 AM

Not sure how much control Snyder exerted over the cinematography, but Amir Mokri was the DoP for Man of Steel.

[url]http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0596360/[/url]

He also shot Transformers: Dark Side of the Moon, Coyote Ugly and The Joy Luck Club, among many others.  But I do agree, the cinematography in MoS was amazing.


Directors all have different levels for how involved they get with the cinematography, but with Snyder films, you can tell that he plays a big role in the visuals. I believe he approaches every scene by thinking about what would look cool.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: moregore on July 22, 2013, 03:46:21 PM
Loved it cant wait for Superman and Batman paired together in the next film


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: daveblackeye15 on July 22, 2013, 09:40:56 PM
It was alright but it has its flaws. I really thought they were trying to hard to be Dark Knight. No, Superman can be dark and it can have its spots of cerebral but it can't be Batman. It was a little hard to tell what was going on in some fight and I wish Clark had a little more 'the everyman' to him.

I don't regret seeing it but I think the movie should have been funner, I wish I left this movie like I did for Pacific Rim: ready to watch it again.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: Paquita on July 23, 2013, 10:03:24 PM
My opinion doesn't really count because I don't know all about the factual lore of superman, and I don't really like a lot of newer movies, but I thought Man of Steel was awful.  I thought a huge part of Superman was his secret identity.. was that not totally blown in this movie?  I also think it lacked a display of "cool" super powers, and showing them in flashbacks (which there were wayyy too many of) while making them seem like horrible painful memories doesn't count. Pitting him up against equals right away was kind of boring for me.  I would rather have seen him punch an a-hole to the moon at least once.  The part where he effortlessly breaks his handcuffs was the coolest part, and that's pretty sad.
 


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: ralfy on July 27, 2013, 02:42:46 PM
Too many actions scenes and not enough character development.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: akiratubo on July 27, 2013, 04:42:27 PM
Saw it again yesterday and it was still just as good as the first time.  I did notice something I hadn't before, though.

The armor Zod's troops wear?  It looks an awful lot like the power armor Lex Luthor uses from time to time.  If they absolutely must use Lex Luthor, I'd love to see Lex put on that armor and actually trade punches with Superman.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 28, 2013, 06:39:09 PM
I'm not a fan of Superman at all. Sadly, the news of Batman appearing in the next installment means I'll have to suffer through a Superman film.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: Neville on August 15, 2013, 11:09:37 AM
Too solemn and unfunny for my taste, but an overall improvement over the Bryan Singer film. I'm with daveblackeye15 in this one, the dark tone doesn't fit Superman: Superman has to be all about the sense of wonder and the action, and at least one of those was missing here.

In other words, I need "to believe a man can fly", not to have that explained.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: DrSpunkwater on August 25, 2013, 11:55:11 PM
Meh, the movie wasn't terrible. But I think I'll stick with Superman 1 & 2.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: messedup on December 15, 2013, 09:26:51 PM
As someone who grew up with Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z i really enjoyed the battle scenes. The rest was kinda stupid.
At least it was better than Returns and the last two Reeve-Sequels.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: zelmo73 on December 15, 2013, 11:04:04 PM
Not as good as Superman 1 & 2. Better than 3 & 4. About even with Returns, but not as boring.

This movie was obviously trying to be two movies in one. It would have made a great sequel, but with Nolan's involvement in the film, it should have gone for a Batman Begins (2005) type of origin, because the Superman that I grew up with was all about "truth, justice, and the American way" and fighting crime, not fighting space aliens coming right out of the gates. Battling General Zod and the Kryptonians in order to save Earth was a plot better-suited for a Man Of Steel 2, not an origin story.

Plus, Lois Lane was wasted as a character, though cast well with the right actress, Amy Adams. The sub-plot with Perry White and the female version of Jimmy Olsen was unnecessary and went absolutely nowhere. The Faora character was actually more interesting than General Zod, which is a shame because she didn't get enough screen time; think Darth Maul, the most interesting part of all of Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (1999), all five minutes of him.

Russell Crowe as Jor-El: good. Kevin Costner as Pa Kent: bad.


Pairing Zack Snyder and Christopher Nolan together in a movie is like pairing apples and oranges together and expecting peaches & cream. Not gonna happen!


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: alandhopewell on December 17, 2013, 04:06:17 PM
     What did Superman do to these filmmakers to make them hate him so badly?


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: Ted C on December 17, 2013, 04:23:26 PM
     What did Superman do to these filmmakers to make them hate him so badly?

Pffft... I've seen far worse. So they wanted to make Superman a little angsty... so what?

At least we got to seem him throw down with someone who could really fight back.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: tracy on December 17, 2013, 04:24:11 PM
I was thoroughly unhappy with it. Plus the woman picked to portray Lois Lane was,in my opinion,no good. Also,Paquita was so right about his lack of a secret identity....WTF was that all about?


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: A.J. Bauer on December 19, 2013, 12:12:01 PM
It kinda seems like they took a really good Nolan style movie, cut it up, rearranged the pieces, and crammed in plugs like trying to shove stuffing into a turkey.

The narrative felt disjointed and out of order, Jonathon Kent failed his role as a father figure by making him an evil jackass with morals you'd have to be deranged to agree with, and the fight scenes drag their feet until somehow watching them felt like a chore.

Overall it felt like someone dropped the ball in production. I'm not going to say it's Zack Snyder's fault, although I'd like to see the behind the scenes just to find out why a film with such amazing potential ended up being such a disappointment. I'd probably hate this movie more if Iron Man 3 never came out. I saw Iron Man 3 before Man of Steel and I hated Iron Man 3 with a burning contempt that the wrath of Sauron couldn't match. Man of Steel wasn't good, but at least I was already p**sed off from the last movie.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: FatFreddysCat on August 11, 2014, 10:14:00 AM
I finally saw this last night and didn't really dig it much. It never really felt like a "Superman" movie to me, if that makes any sense. The second half felt like I was watching someone play an alien-invader video game, with occasional cameos by Superman.

I said this about "Superman Returns" and it applies here as well: Superman doesn't work very well with the current mania to make every superhero "dark and gritty." He's SUPPOSED to be a slightly dorky, All-American red and blue Boy Scout. Here, he's just a guy in a suit who gets the CGI crap kicked out of him a lot.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: ulthar on September 27, 2014, 05:34:49 PM
Behind the times, I know, but I finally saw this last night.

Urgh.

It did not work for me.  I actually enjoyed the movie MORE before the so-called "action" kicked in.  The fight scenes were boring and predictable.  Didn't like the visuals and the overuse of certain FX engineered to try to indicate "how strong they are."

I read the thread before posting, and a number of folks commented on things that bothered me as well.  But here's the thing...I don't like it when movies ANNOY me, and the most common cause of annoyance is "taking me out of the movie.

On the whole, I don't like angsty superheros.  It's one of those things that can be very effective, but needs to be done in small doses.

I don't like superheros that are evenly matched with their opponents and SORELY outnumbered very early in the film...I just know some baloney, hokey solution is coming.

I did NOT like that everyone knows who Superman is in this reboot.  I thought a lot of the character driven charm of the classic stories was the tension between Lois and Clark and Lois and Superman.  Geez.  How to take the ONE KEY CHARACTER ARC from a storyline.

Someone somewhere, perhaps here, once made a truly profound statement in a review.  My apologies to whoever it was, here or elsewhere, for not remembering specifically who or where.  The statement was (paraphrased)...

To movie makers: It's one thing to borrow or pay homage to past movies, but don't take me out of you movie to remind me of better movies.  Especially CONSTANTLY.

All through this mess I saw reminders of better projects.  Not just with story, but with visuals and character design and...well, everything.  It was VERY annoying.


Title: Re: Man of Steel (2013)
Post by: Muscle Hedonist on October 02, 2014, 02:32:12 PM
I actually really hate this movie. I'd go as far as saying seeing this movie in the theater was one of the most agonizing experiences of my life.