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Title: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Olivia Bauer on July 24, 2013, 12:50:44 AM
There are a lot of bad and good movies on VHS, almost all films have a DVD release after the conversion. But there are very few films so terrible that they never saw conversion and were left behind to remain on VHS until it became movie purgatory. I'd like a list.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 24, 2013, 07:20:31 AM
really the dumbest movie ever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTGTLwpcTjM


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Jack on July 24, 2013, 11:21:13 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41W7EQMD2XL.jpg)

Not one of Stephen Baldwin's more memorable ones.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71FE1P80YQL._SY300_.gif)

That's actually a favorite of mine.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Andrew on July 24, 2013, 11:34:09 AM
There are films which have not had a DVD release, but I have to say that the lower cost of releasing on DVD compared to what it was for a VHS release means they've probably just fallen to the wayside rather than being too bad.  I'm sure quite a few movies are stuck in legal limbo, which I believe is the case for "Moontrap", and then there are others which are just forgotten and not considered profitable to release.  That the Asylum and other companies are cranking out movies like crazy for SyFy and other outlets cannot help the chances for something like "Primal Scream" (1987).

Personally, I've been pleasantly surprised by a number of older movies that have made it to DVD.  Seeing "Bog" on DVD completely surprised me, as have a few others that are just mind-numbingly awful.

Sadly, I wish we could get some of the old sword and sorcery films released - even some of the really bad ones.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Criswell on July 24, 2013, 01:51:07 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Moment_by_Moment.jpg)

Actually, Moment by Moment is so bad it's not available on anything.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: voltron on July 24, 2013, 04:35:26 PM
I've mentioned this before, but Ken Russell's Whore (1991) has yet to be released on dvd yet. Not a "bad" movie by any means - it really blows my mind that you can find insane amounts of Z-grade garbage (not knocking that stuff, mind you :)) that have legitimate dvd releases, but for whatever reason Whore is not available as of yet.  :question: I really can't see a lot of the stuff released by RaeDon making the cut. Then again, stranger things have happened I guess.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 24, 2013, 05:33:00 PM
Badmovies should re-release Tomcat with MST3K type commentary except only sound effects


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: zombie no.one on July 24, 2013, 08:31:06 PM
I was about to bemoan the fact one of my b-m faves HOSPITAL MASSACRE has never seen a DVD release , but I just found this site, which claims to have it

http://www.j4hi.com/page6/page424/Hospital_Massacre.html

Anyone bought from here, or similar places? Is it legit?


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 24, 2013, 08:46:17 PM
Just for the hell of it is a well known one.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Trevor on July 25, 2013, 01:15:40 AM
([url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Moment_by_Moment.jpg[/url])

Actually, Moment by Moment is so bad it's not available on anything.


 :bouncegiggle: :teddyr: :teddyr:

I actually saw this when it was first released *HITS SELF REPEATEDLY*  :buggedout:


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Trevor on July 25, 2013, 01:18:32 AM
Percival Rubens' The Demon  :buggedout: :buggedout:

Yes, I know it's available on DVD but the master that was used for that and the VHS release is a real crappy one: my place of work has the uncut version on 35mm film and I wish that could be used as a digital master to re-release the DVD and a BluRay if possible.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 25, 2013, 08:44:46 AM
I was about to bemoan the fact one of my b-m faves HOSPITAL MASSACRE has never seen a DVD release , but I just found this site, which claims to have it

[url]http://www.j4hi.com/page6/page424/Hospital_Massacre.html[/url]

Anyone bought from here, or similar places? Is it legit?


They are a bootlegger, for sure. They don't own the rights to the titles, they assume the copyrights are abandoned. They're probably mostly duping VHS prints. Quality will be a coin toss.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: zombie no.one on July 25, 2013, 10:24:22 AM
thanks Rev. confirmed my suspicions. I don't really want a DVDr of a VHS copy

btw I thought copyright didnt expire till something like 50 years after being set, wouldn't they be infringing it by doing that on 70s/80s movies? (Not that they probably care)


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Pacman000 on July 25, 2013, 10:41:34 AM
thanks Rev. confirmed my suspicions. I don't really want a DVDr of a VHS copy

btw I thought copyright didnt expire till something like 50 years after being set, wouldn't they be infringing it by doing that on 70s/80s movies? (Not that they probably care)
Copyrights last longer than 50 years.  They're betting that no one cares to enforce the movies' copyrights.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 25, 2013, 10:49:37 AM
thanks Rev. confirmed my suspicions. I don't really want a DVDr of a VHS copy

btw I thought copyright didnt expire till something like 50 years after being set, wouldn't they be infringing it by doing that on 70s/80s movies? (Not that they probably care)

Determining the copyright status of something is complex, because it depends on the laws in effect at the time the film was made. But basically nothing from the 1980s should be in the public domain, with very few exceptions.

There is periodically legislation in Congress to basically legalize bootlegging by recognizing abandoned/orphaned copyrights as part of the public domain. It would be a great idea but it never gets anywhere, probably because no one has much of a financial stake in passing it.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: voltron on July 25, 2013, 11:14:53 AM
I was about to bemoan the fact one of my b-m faves HOSPITAL MASSACRE has never seen a DVD release , but I just found this site, which claims to have it

[url]http://www.j4hi.com/page6/page424/Hospital_Massacre.html[/url]

Anyone bought from here, or similar places? Is it legit?

Not sure if that one's legit, but here's some great news, zombie: X-Ray will be released on Blu-ray as a double feature with Schizoid in late August!
http://www.amazon.ca/X-ray-Schizoid-Double-Feature-Blu-ray/dp/B00CPTUNUG/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1374768727&sr=1-1&keywords=x+ray+schizoid


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: claws on July 25, 2013, 12:12:04 PM
Lots of good and bad Indie Horror movies never made it to DVD because the original print is either lost - or in bad shape. Bad print movies that got released to DVD after a long delay: One Dark Night (1983), Scared to Death (1981), The Redeemer (1978), Day of the Animals (1977).
A case of bad (English) audio was the reason why Anthropophagus (1980) took so long to hit DVD.
Anchor Bay was supposed to release The Prey (1980) to DVD. Apparently they were in possession of the R-Rated print but wanted the unrated Asian version which they couldn't track down.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Gst0395 on July 25, 2013, 03:55:31 PM
One bad horror movie I've heard about is Night of Horror (1981). Based on IMDb reviews (like this one at the top (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0202496/reviews?ref_=tt_urv)), it sounds particularity horrible. It only seems to have received an obscure VHS release by Genesis Video with no sign of a DVD release.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: zombie no.one on July 25, 2013, 03:59:41 PM
I was about to bemoan the fact one of my b-m faves HOSPITAL MASSACRE has never seen a DVD release , but I just found this site, which claims to have it

[url]http://www.j4hi.com/page6/page424/Hospital_Massacre.html[/url]

Anyone bought from here, or similar places? Is it legit?

Not sure if that one's legit, but here's some great news, zombie: X-Ray will be released on Blu-ray as a double feature with Schizoid in late August!
[url]http://www.amazon.ca/X-ray-Schizoid-Double-Feature-Blu-ray/dp/B00CPTUNUG/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1374768727&sr=1-1&keywords=x+ray+schizoid[/url]

Awesome.  :thumbup: will grab that for sure.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Pacman000 on July 25, 2013, 06:41:41 PM
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Determining the copyright status of something is complex, because it depends on the laws in effect at the time the film was made. But basically nothing from the 1980s should be in the public domain, with very few exceptions.
I've heard that you had to register your copyright within 5 years of publication from 1979 to 1989.  Is that true?


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 25, 2013, 08:20:59 PM
Quote
Determining the copyright status of something is complex, because it depends on the laws in effect at the time the film was made. But basically nothing from the 1980s should be in the public domain, with very few exceptions.
I've heard that you had to register your copyright within 5 years of publication from 1979 to 1989.  Is that true?

I don't think so, but maybe. Some of this stuff is governed by regulations rather than statutes, and before 1976 some of it was even governed by state laws. But 1979-1989 doesn't match any of the major revisions of copyright law. Big changes happened in 1976 and 1992.

This is why non-specialists really can't determine whether something is in the public domain or not. It's even more confusing because the music used in a movie, for example, may be published separately and have a whole different copyright term.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Doc Daneeka on July 26, 2013, 12:20:50 AM
I have a VHS copy of a film by Lorenzo Munoz (of HIP HOP LOCOS infamy) entitled BARRIO BOYZ, which hasn't made it to DVD, or even IMDb, despite only being made in 2000 :tongueout:


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: zelmo73 on September 26, 2013, 07:29:48 PM
I don't believe that Mac & Me has ever made it to DVD...and quite frankly, I honestly never took the time to check if it ever did or not. The only '80s film that was more critically panned than Mac & Me was Ishtar (which, ironically, did come out on DVD).


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: JPickettIII on September 26, 2013, 11:16:14 PM
really the dumbest movie ever

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTGTLwpcTjM[/url]


I have seen this.  Bad bad movie. :buggedout:


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Mofo Rising on September 27, 2013, 08:25:54 PM
There's a documentary making the rounds about VHS collectors. I imagine it will be of interest to all.

Rewind This! (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2395970/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj1Y7eMNOzo

There's a lot of movies that are now only available on VHS. And once those magnetic tapes degrade, they're gone.

I've got a crapload of VHS tapes on my shelf that I can pretty much guarantee will never get any official DVD release.

Who's going to release these?

Mutant on the Bounty (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097934/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4n1ZP2kAGY

Age Isn't Everything (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103629/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_83)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nz-lnobfO4


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 27, 2013, 08:39:51 PM
JPIcket3 - I read an interview with Brad Pitt once, he was talking about the crappy straight to video movies you have to do as an actor when you first come to Hollywood. He mentioned Tomcat. I didn't think it would be as weird and off putting as it was. freakin cat dancing


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Pacman000 on September 28, 2013, 10:00:20 PM
Some good movies have never had an official DVD release.

A few years ago, we wanted a copy of "Onion Head" staring Andy Griffith.  We checked around, but, alas, it's not on DVD.  We had to order a VHS from another state!


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: MrMari on September 29, 2013, 06:47:33 AM
I was about to bemoan the fact one of my b-m faves HOSPITAL MASSACRE has never seen a DVD release , but I just found this site, which claims to have it

[url]http://www.j4hi.com/page6/page424/Hospital_Massacre.html[/url]

Anyone bought from here, or similar places? Is it legit?


I have actually ordered from these guys. They do VHS to DVD-R transfers and make no bones about it. This is no different than what the sellers do on sites like iOffer.com. Rev is correct. Many of these sellers write verbiage that the movies and TV shows have fallen into public domain status but I am sure that due diligence has not been done by these retailers to determine these things. 

It gets strange when you see really bad movies that DO make it to DVD. Many of them though cut out scenes for what ever reason. Take for instance the Kathy Willets movie "Creep" from 1995. Now that movie was just BAD. Somehow, it got a DVD release even though it was shot on video to begin with.  Strange thing was that they cut the DVD version up so bad that they made the movie worse than it already was. LOL. I got lucky and snagged a VHS copy from a dying mom and pop rental store.

An example of a really good movie that never got a proper DVD release would be "Household Saints" from 1993. That is one of my all time favourite early 90s New Line releases and its stuck in low fi VHS land.

Companies like Code Red, Scorpion Releasing, and Shout Factory are making most of my dreams come true though.



Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Pacman000 on January 14, 2017, 01:30:53 PM
Some good movies have never had an official DVD release.

A few years ago, we wanted a copy of "Onion Head" staring Andy Griffith.  We checked around, but, alas, it's not on DVD.  We had to order a VHS from another state!
Onionhead is now on DVD; at Warner Archive.  Sure, it's a DVD-R, but it's still an official release.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: chrisr on January 15, 2017, 02:47:12 PM
Spookies from 1986 comes to my mind.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: claws on January 16, 2017, 07:09:50 AM
Spookies from 1986 comes to my mind.

Spookies had three DVD releases in the UK. They don't appear to be ports from VHS/Tape masters, but are presented in full screen. I believe Spookies was a European co-production and most likely the reason the UK got a DVD release. Legal rights might prevent a US release, or the owner just doesn't care, is asking for too much money or original elements are lost. It's always one of those.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: ChocolateChipCharlie on January 16, 2017, 08:21:35 PM
I know it was reviewed here, but I'm still surprised that Rock N Roll Nightmare made it to DVD. As much as I love it, it's ghastly awful.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on January 19, 2017, 06:03:28 PM
Spookies from 1986 comes to my mind.

Spookies had three DVD releases in the UK. They don't appear to be ports from VHS/Tape masters, but are presented in full screen. I believe Spookies was a European co-production and most likely the reason the UK got a DVD release. Legal rights might prevent a US release, or the owner just doesn't care, is asking for too much money or original elements are lost. It's always one of those.

I don't know how accurate is this, but Spookies does show as an American/Dutch co-production. Looking for the box office numbers, I could only find that it grossed only $17,785.00 here in the U.S. on an extremely limited release, which is why it probably has never gotten a release on DVD. Though, it probably should, if only because the storyline and the history of the film comes across as being one of those WTF! is going on moments.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: claws on January 20, 2017, 04:46:06 AM
Spookies has been highly requested for ages and several boutique labels have tried to release it. Last I've read was Code Red trying to contact the owner by telephone without success.
If a DVD should ever happen it should include both versions of the film, otherwise the fanboys will go beserk.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: claws on January 20, 2017, 07:18:06 AM
I was reading up on the history of Spookies and wow, what a mess. The owner of Spookies was also involved in UK's legendary VIPCO Label wghich should explain the UK DVD of Spookies. Anyway, here's a quote from the article:

Quote
Not many movies from the 1980s are considered missing, but Spookies is one of them. All the main players involved in Twisted Souls/Spookies are interested in releasing a DVD of the film in the U.S., including Magliochetti, who still has the original ending in interpositive form. Though rights were owned by Sony, then Vestron, and then Lionsgate, no negative or print has been found, and it is unclear whether Michael Lee still holds any rights, as no one has been able to contact him.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Archivist on January 20, 2017, 09:09:04 PM
Percival Rubens' The Demon  :buggedout: :buggedout:

Yes, I know it's available on DVD but the master that was used for that and the VHS release is a real crappy one: my place of work has the uncut version on 35mm film and I wish that could be used as a digital master to re-release the DVD and a BluRay if possible.

Is there the possibility that you could start a crowdfunding campaign to make that happen?  Or get in touch with the people who did the old release, and ask if they would be interested in a 35mm uncut print on loan?  Would your work be amenable to that? 

If successful, it could become a sideline, and you might get a raise commensurate with your new efforts.  It's just what I would do if I had access to hundreds of old and potentially financially viable movies...


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Trevor on January 31, 2017, 04:24:39 AM
Percival Rubens' The Demon  :buggedout: :buggedout:

Yes, I know it's available on DVD but the master that was used for that and the VHS release is a real crappy one: my place of work has the uncut version on 35mm film and I wish that could be used as a digital master to re-release the DVD and a BluRay if possible.

Is there the possibility that you could start a crowdfunding campaign to make that happen?  Or get in touch with the people who did the old release, and ask if they would be interested in a 35mm uncut print on loan?  Would your work be amenable to that? 

If successful, it could become a sideline, and you might get a raise commensurate with your new efforts.  It's just what I would do if I had access to hundreds of old and potentially financially viable movies...

There is a company in SA which was interested in re-releasing the copy we hold but I never heard back from them.


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: JPickettIII on February 19, 2017, 10:59:06 AM
really the dumbest movie ever

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTGTLwpcTjM[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTGTLwpcTjM[/url])


I saw Tomcat:Dangerous Desires on HBO a long long time ago.  It was bad back then.  😜😜😜


Title: Re: Movies too bad to survive DVD
Post by: Olivia Bauer on February 22, 2017, 11:17:14 PM
Apparently there's this increadibly offensive John Belushi biopic called "Wired" which was never released on DVD.
In fact they released a pretty small amount of VHS copies.

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