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Title: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: alandhopewell on October 17, 2013, 01:53:50 PM
       Post something that you wrote, or read, or happened to you....here's mine....

http://pointingthecannon.blogspot.com/2012/12/sad-sadie.html


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: Ed, Ego and Superego on October 17, 2013, 02:44:56 PM
I rneted a car last month, returned it on time and now I'm getting calls and letters threatening legal action and subpoenas if I don't return it. 

Thats plenty scary enough for me. 
-Ed


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 17, 2013, 05:47:16 PM
       Post something that you wrote, or read, or happened to you....here's mine....

[url]http://pointingthecannon.blogspot.com/2012/12/sad-sadie.html[/url]
That's a bit spooky, but really sad, not scary. 


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: El Misfit on October 17, 2013, 06:01:23 PM
Fake, but this is worthy of a good short.
http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/The_Russian_Sleep_Experiment (http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/The_Russian_Sleep_Experiment)


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: zombie #1 on October 17, 2013, 09:08:19 PM
As I was just trying and failing to think of anything to type here, my cat suddenly jumped on me out of nowhere and scared the s**t out of me. that'll do!

edit. he'd make quite a good halloweeny witch's cat imo. can you see him staring into your soul  :twirl:

(http://i42.tinypic.com/mtbhqv.png)


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: El Misfit on October 17, 2013, 10:42:58 PM
Try almost getting shot by your own mother,  this is a true story.

Back in the early-mid 80's (say 1885 and I was about 21), Halloween night was georgeous, it was around 68 degrees, warm and a full moon was out. My mother slept out on the porch (it was converted into a huge bedroom) and yours truly (that's me) decided to scare her.

Her window was open, and I put on my Freddy Krueger glove and a fedora...she was asleep, and I was giggling nervously as I scraped the glove against the window screen. My mother shot up in bed and screamed at the top of her voice, and that made my giggles turn into insane bellowing laughter just like Freddy.  I said to her, "you die!"

She got up and as I tried to run back into the house, she caught me at the front door..the floodlight was on and she was standing there with her duty weapon (she was a licensed C.O. and carried a .357)

She yelled "New Jersey peace officer, hands above your head!"  And I complied. FAST.

She looked at me for a minute and said, very low and menacingly, "Shawn?"  So after admitting to the name she gave me,  she grabbed me by the hair and said "get the f*ckin here!" and we went in.   I got the lecture of my life about how she could have killed me, and it did sink in for sure, but the rest of the night I laid in bed laughing my ass off over the way she shot up in bed and screamed.

We laugh about it now, but back then, history would have changed and you guys wouldn't have been able to hear this wonderful story (although I'm sure some news station would have covered it  :bouncegiggle:)  Never play Freddy Krueger with your other, kiddies, never.

"True"  :twirl: :twirl: :twirl:


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: zelmo73 on October 18, 2013, 10:29:01 AM
Back in the early-mid 80's (say 1885 and I was about 21

Marty McFly had a tough time with that year. That would freak anybody out!  :teddyr:


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: alandhopewell on October 19, 2013, 12:06:44 PM
http://pointingthecannon.blogspot.com/2012/12/dragway-zero.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_F3V3oNRPU


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: indianasmith on October 19, 2013, 04:42:45 PM
The 22nd Amendment is repealed and Barack Obama is elected President for a third consecutive term! :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout:


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on October 19, 2013, 05:40:09 PM
The 22nd Amendment is repealed and Barack Obama is elected President for a third consecutive term! :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout:

With all due respect, I doubt it, but if the Republicans keep shooting all their toes off like they did with the government shutdown, we'll no doubt see our first women president with Hilary Clinton. Either that or V.P. Joe Biden becomes President Joe Biden.


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: zelmo73 on October 19, 2013, 06:01:58 PM
All that the government shutdown did was provide us with a sneak preview of what will happen when the Federal Reserve Notes that we call US Dollars stops flowing due to our decreased credit status. What's going to happen when we run out of countries to borrow money from? They were better off keeping the government closed and allowing the debt ceiling to be breached.

On a side note, did any of you know that the IRS was also closed during the entire government shutdown? Kinda funny how that interesting fact was reported nowhere in any news outlet in the country!  :question:


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: Umaril Has Returned on October 20, 2013, 01:55:48 PM
OK people, I just returned to th eboard and have seen my typo in my post, so without any further adieu, here is the amended story, with the right year in place:

Try almost getting shot by your own mother,  this is a true story.

Back in the early-mid 80's (say 1985 and I was about 21), Halloween night was georgeous, it was around 68 degrees, warm and a full moon was out. My mother slept out on the porch (it was converted into a huge bedroom) and yours truly (that's me) decided to scare her.

Her window was open, and I put on my Freddy Krueger glove and a fedora...she was asleep, and I was giggling nervously as I scraped the glove against the window screen. My mother shot up in bed and screamed at the top of her voice, and that made my giggles turn into insane bellowing laughter just like Freddy.  I said to her, "you die!"

She got up and as I tried to run back into the house, she caught me at the front door..the floodlight was on and she was standing there with her duty weapon (she was a licensed C.O. and carried a .357)

She yelled "New Jersey peace officer, hands above your head!"  And I complied. FAST.

She looked at me for a minute and said, very low and menacingly, "Shawn?"  So after admitting to the name she gave me,  she grabbed me by the hair and said "get the f*ckin here!" and we went in.   I got the lecture of my life about how she could have killed me, and it did sink in for sure, but the rest of the night I laid in bed laughing my ass off over the way she shot up in bed and screamed.

We laugh about it now, but back then, history would have changed and you guys wouldn't have been able to hear this wonderful story (although I'm sure some news station would have covered it  BounceGiggle)  Never play Freddy Krueger with your other, kiddies, never.

OK, now we know that I'm 48, NOT 148 lol  :cheers:


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: Umaril Has Returned on October 20, 2013, 02:28:29 PM
The 22nd Amendment is repealed and Barack Obama is elected President for a third consecutive term! :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout:

With all due respect, I doubt it, but if the Republicans keep shooting all their toes off like they did with the government shutdown, we'll no doubt see our first women president with Hilary Clinton. Either that or V.P. Joe Biden becomes President Joe Biden.


Probably a bit controversial here, but I feel the shutdown was deliberately continued thru calculated Democratic refusal to deal w\Boehner, because they knew this would make Republicans take the blame for the shutdown.

Part of one of the deals the Republicans wanted was to have ALL of The Hill sign up for Obama-care and give up their exemptions. It's easy to see why Obama refused that, because he'd have to live by his own rules.

Another provision was income verification for low-income and wlefare peoples. To avoid fraud. BOTH sides agreed on this, but then again, Obama and Reid struck it down. Easy to see why, for the same reason they struck down voter ID's, because they would stop fraud.

Last, the Republicans wanted all medical devices to be tax free. Why? to make them more affordable.   

This last deal wasn't unreasonable. But as usual, Obama said 'No' (funny considering he accuses the Repubs of being the party of "no'). Eventually I feel this will come back to haunt him though, given the problems Obama-care is causing at the moment. 

No "accountability", no "end to bi-partisanship", but we got a lot of transparency, because we can see right all that's going on.

What a world...


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: Umaril Has Returned on October 20, 2013, 02:43:10 PM
Back in the early-mid 80's (say 1885 and I was about 21

Marty McFly had a tough time with that year. That would freak anybody out!  :teddyr:

haha yeah!   :bouncegiggle:

Seriously though, my story is true. I was nearly a goner.  And I would have technically been at fault because I presented myself as an intruder.  Thank God it didn't have the other ending.


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: zelmo73 on October 20, 2013, 04:57:50 PM
I lived in an actual haunted house for a brief time. This particular one, to be exact, with the spirits of most of the people shown on the web page: http://www.alaskahistory.org/detail.aspx?ID=147 (http://www.alaskahistory.org/detail.aspx?ID=147)

It was nothing like what you see on those silly Ghost Adventures TV shows or movies like The Amityville Horror. No, this was about as mediocre and anti-climactic as normal life can be when you share a residence with living roommates, only these particular roommates were no longer among the living.

Now, I was never personally scared by anything in that house; I found a lot of it to be kinda cool, actually. I used to hear a lot of commotion around the house throughout the day and night; people walking around upstairs, closing doors, switching lights on and off, etc. My wife was the one that saw something that scared the bejeezus out of her though. One morning, she was on my computer in our old bedroom, when she looked over and saw an old lady lying on the floor with her feet propped up, reading a book. My wife saw enough to notice the old lady's face hidden by the brown-covered book that she was reading, so that all my wife saw of the old lady was her curly gray hair, and the pink-striped socks that the old lady was wearing, before my wife ran screaming out of the room to come and get me. I was napping on the couch in the living room when this happened.

I ran into the bedroom to investigate, and of course, there was no old lady there. So after I calmed my wife down a bit, I asked her what she saw, before ultimately laughing because I reminded my wife that a little old lady lounging around reading a book wasn't particularly scary. A lot more stuff like that happened in that house while we were staying there, everything from chilly presences walking in and out of rooms to feet stomping on the upstairs floor when I got home from work, enough to where you could recognize the different personalities that each one of those people had. I never subscribed to the whole "demon" thing all that much; if they were evil, they sure as hell didn't act like it. I will definitely remember living there for a long time though!


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: El Misfit on October 20, 2013, 08:31:34 PM
Cowboys winning the Superbowl is a scary story to read in the paper.  :tongueout:


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: Trevor on October 21, 2013, 12:45:30 AM
*COUGH* I chiseled some of the crap off my undies over the weekend.  :buggedout: :wink:


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 21, 2013, 05:08:31 PM
As I was just trying and failing to think of anything to type here, my cat suddenly jumped on me out of nowhere and scared the s**t out of me. that'll do!

edit. he'd make quite a good halloweeny witch's cat imo. can you see him staring into your soul  :twirl:

([url]http://i42.tinypic.com/mtbhqv.png[/url])
What's your kitty's name?  

The 22nd Amendment is repealed and Barack Obama is elected President for a third consecutive term! :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout:
With all due respect, I doubt it, but if the Republicans keep shooting all their toes off like they did with the government shutdown, we'll no doubt see our first women president with Hilary Clinton. Either that or V.P. Joe Biden becomes President Joe Biden.
Probably a bit controversial here, but I feel the shutdown was deliberately continued thru calculated Democratic refusal to deal w\Boehner, because they knew this would make Republicans take the blame for the shutdown.
Part of one of the deals the Republicans wanted was to have ALL of The Hill sign up for Obama-care and give up their exemptions. It's easy to see why Obama refused that, because he'd have to live by his own rules.
Another provision was income verification for low-income and wlefare peoples. To avoid fraud. BOTH sides agreed on this, but then again, Obama and Reid struck it down. Easy to see why, for the same reason they struck down voter ID's, because they would stop fraud.
Last, the Republicans wanted all medical devices to be tax free. Why? to make them more affordable.   
This last deal wasn't unreasonable. But as usual, Obama said 'No' (funny considering he accuses the Repubs of being the party of "no'). Eventually I feel this will come back to haunt him though, given the problems Obama-care is causing at the moment. 
No "accountability", no "end to bi-partisanship", but we got a lot of transparency, because we can see right all that's going on.
What a world...

Let's not get political - that can be scary.   :hatred:


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: zelmo73 on October 21, 2013, 05:21:24 PM
Let's not get political - that can be scary.   :hatred:

I'm gonna dress up as a half-black/half-Irish U.S. President for Halloween.


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: El Misfit on October 22, 2013, 08:10:28 AM
Politics happening?
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/298/820/00a.gif)


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: Umaril Has Returned on October 23, 2013, 03:41:25 PM
Let's not get political - that can be scary.   :hatred:

I'm gonna dress up as a half-black/half-Irish U.S. President for Halloween.

Someone already took the job, I hear.


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: alandhopewell on October 24, 2013, 12:41:49 PM
(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/355/8/c/wip_zombie_obama_by_ocdfx-d5or50t.jpg)


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: Umaril Has Returned on October 24, 2013, 05:19:38 PM
As I was just trying and failing to think of anything to type here, my cat suddenly jumped on me out of nowhere and scared the s**t out of me. that'll do!

edit. he'd make quite a good halloweeny witch's cat imo. can you see him staring into your soul  :twirl:

([url]http://i42.tinypic.com/mtbhqv.png[/url])
What's your kitty's name?  

The 22nd Amendment is repealed and Barack Obama is elected President for a third consecutive term! :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout:
With all due respect, I doubt it, but if the Republicans keep shooting all their toes off like they did with the government shutdown, we'll no doubt see our first women president with Hilary Clinton. Either that or V.P. Joe Biden becomes President Joe Biden.
Probably a bit controversial here, but I feel the shutdown was deliberately continued thru calculated Democratic refusal to deal w\Boehner, because they knew this would make Republicans take the blame for the shutdown.
Part of one of the deals the Republicans wanted was to have ALL of The Hill sign up for Obama-care and give up their exemptions. It's easy to see why Obama refused that, because he'd have to live by his own rules.
Another provision was income verification for low-income and wlefare peoples. To avoid fraud. BOTH sides agreed on this, but then again, Obama and Reid struck it down. Easy to see why, for the same reason they struck down voter ID's, because they would stop fraud.
Last, the Republicans wanted all medical devices to be tax free. Why? to make them more affordable.   
This last deal wasn't unreasonable. But as usual, Obama said 'No' (funny considering he accuses the Repubs of being the party of "no'). Eventually I feel this will come back to haunt him though, given the problems Obama-care is causing at the moment. 
No "accountability", no "end to bi-partisanship", but we got a lot of transparency, because we can see right all that's going on.
What a world...

Let's not get political - that can be scary.   :hatred:


Again, while I respect the fact that my words will not fall on the ears of all in a favorable way, it was my right to say, and I feel I've been respectful enough. Politicians living by the same rules they force upon society isn't really a bad thing. While we know it can't (and won't) ever happen, one can only hope. And on that note, I'll go back to waiting for my letter from Lincoln, as no doubt the rest of the U.S. is waiting for.


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: zelmo73 on October 24, 2013, 05:34:11 PM
I think you'll find that you are not in the minority anymore, Umaril. It is important that we not allow the status quo to bully us or attempt to choose our way of thinking for us. It is always healthy to have opposing and objecting viewpoints in our society. This is one of the foundations that the U.S. was founded upon, and I do not particularly enjoy the bullying tactics that are used by either side in this country, nor do I agree with the bullying tactics that the U.S. government uses in other countries either.


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: El Misfit on October 24, 2013, 06:39:32 PM
Preparing for a mature flame war
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/622/399/a72.gif)


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: zombie #1 on October 29, 2013, 05:04:03 AM
As I was just trying and failing to think of anything to type here, my cat suddenly jumped on me out of nowhere and scared the s**t out of me. that'll do!

edit. he'd make quite a good halloweeny witch's cat imo. can you see him staring into your soul  :twirl:

([url]http://i42.tinypic.com/mtbhqv.png[/url])
What's your kitty's name?  


Sorry AHD, didn't see yr post.

I was thinking of a name for a couple of weeks before I got him and nothing sounded right, then on the day I went to collect him I thought "well it's a Sunday today, and he's black cat... Black Sunday...Black Sabbath...Why not call him Ozzy?!". And so I did.  :smile:


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: alandhopewell on October 30, 2013, 01:50:01 PM
As I was just trying and failing to think of anything to type here, my cat suddenly jumped on me out of nowhere and scared the s**t out of me. that'll do!

edit. he'd make quite a good halloweeny witch's cat imo. can you see him staring into your soul  :twirl:

([url]http://i42.tinypic.com/mtbhqv.png[/url])
What's your kitty's name?  


Sorry AHD, didn't see yr post.

I was thinking of a name for a couple of weeks before I got him and nothing sounded right, then on the day I went to collect him I thought "well it's a Sunday today, and he's black cat... Black Sunday...Black Sabbath...Why not call him Ozzy?!". And so I did.  :smile:


     Ozzy looks a lot like a late friend of mine, named Malcolm; he owned my best friend, Dave.


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: zombie #1 on October 30, 2013, 05:46:21 PM
yeah my brother's cat looks almost identical, he doesn't have the white tip on his tail though.


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: Couchtr26 on October 30, 2013, 11:53:44 PM
As I was just trying and failing to think of anything to type here, my cat suddenly jumped on me out of nowhere and scared the s**t out of me. that'll do!

edit. he'd make quite a good halloweeny witch's cat imo. can you see him staring into your soul  :twirl:

([url]http://i42.tinypic.com/mtbhqv.png[/url])
What's your kitty's name?  


Sorry AHD, didn't see yr post.

I was thinking of a name for a couple of weeks before I got him and nothing sounded right, then on the day I went to collect him I thought "well it's a Sunday today, and he's black cat... Black Sunday...Black Sabbath...Why not call him Ozzy?!". And so I did.  :smile:


     Ozzy looks a lot like a late friend of mine, named Malcolm; he owned my best friend, Dave.


Wonderful cat Zombie #1.  Also, wonderful name.


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: ER on October 31, 2013, 03:10:34 PM
When my grandma was a little girl in the 1930s, she lived for a time in eastern Ohio, right across the river from West Virginia, and many people there talked about the "ape-bear" that they said they saw in the woods. Apparently a lot of people claimed to have encounters with this creature or creatures, which they said walked on two legs and was taller than a man, hairy, and stank, and would run from you during the day but was bolder at night, and it liked to raid chicken coops and steal from farmhouses. Her father told her not to take Appalachian tall tales too seriously, but when Grandma told me about the ape-bear when I was little, I always wondered if the supposed creature the locals had been describing may not have been the same thing as Bigfoot.


Title: Re: HALLOWEEN: GIVE US A SCARY STORY
Post by: zelmo73 on October 31, 2013, 04:21:18 PM
Happy Halloween, everybody! Here is a true Alaska story from April 2000, printed in our local newspapers. My theory is that the man died but his soul didn't know that he was dead yet, and wasn't at rest until they found his body later on that year. It's a fascinating read though, especially when the Alaska State Troopers confirmed it!  :buggedout:


------------------

SIGHTINGS
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Man 'Made Cold By
The Universe' Seen By
Scores Who Knew Him
By Liz Ruskin - Anchorage Daily News
From Fred Colvin <fcolvin@alaska.net>
5-15-00


 
BETHEL - In villages along the Kuskokwim River and in this hub city, scores of people have reported catching sight of Richard Pavilla, a 38-year-old man who disappeared in December while on a snowmachine trip from his home village of Atmautluak.
 
Pavilla, they say, is still alive but he is in a rare condition in which he is feather-light and as wary as a wild bird.
 
"It has happened in the past, but it's kind of long and in between," said 77-year-old Peter Jacobs, through a Yup'ik translator. "That person is not dead. The spirit is still with the body, but he's in a different state."
 
The Alaska State Troopers ended their search for Pavilla more than three months ago, 12 days after they found the body of Pavilla's companion and the snowmachine the two were riding. The troopers presume Pavilla is dead, too. But day after day, Bethel's search and rescue coordinator keeps taking the reports of people who say they've seen the lost man.
 
Pavilla and Richard Tikiun, 27, left Christmas Eve on a snowmachine for Bethel, about 30 miles away across the frozen tundra. People in the village told troopers the men had been drinking and may have been planning to pick up Tikiun's stash of alcohol on the way. Searchers found Tikiun's body Dec. 28, four miles from Atmautluak and just north of the main trail to Bethel. He lay face down on the ground next to his snowmachine and an empty vodka bottle, troopers said.
 
Pavilla, troopers said, obviously stayed alive for a while, despite fierce winds and temperatures that dropped to minus 30 degrees.
 
Searchers found a series of windbreaks made of snow blocks and tree branches, snow caves dug into drifts and even a hastily made igloo, as well as several sets of tracks thought to be Pavilla's.
 
It was shortly after New Year's when the first sighting of the lost man was reported, said Peter Atchak, Bethel's volunteer search and rescue coordinator. Five of the searchers, Pavilla's cousins, reported seeing a solitary figure on foot about eight miles southwest of Bethel.
 
"They thought it was a searcher, but when they were approaching close he took off running," Atchak said. The person crossed the frozen river and was gone, the cousins reported.
 
The next report came a couple of days later. A group of youngsters were driving a truck from Napakiak upriver to Bethel when someone came out of the brush toward them. They got frightened and drove off, Atchak said.
 
The troopers ended their search Jan. 9, figuring no one could survive so long in such severe weather.
 
The volunteer search and rescue group kept looking, and Atchak kept track of the reported sightings. They came from up and down the Kuskokwim and from villages on the coast. In all, there were more than 50 reports from 10 villages. People also reported seeing Pavilla in Bethel - near the high school, at the hospital and crouched under a woman's house.
 
Atchak said he has repeatedly investigated reports of boot prints and found they were made by size 7 Sorels, just like Pavilla's.
 
"I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't seen his tracks, his footprints and the way they disappeared," he said.
 
To learn more, Atchak convened meetings of elders in Bethel. More than 100 came.
 
Pavilla is stuck between two worlds, some of the old people told him. It happens sometimes: People get lost, become very frightened and fall into these states. Their senses sharpen so that they can hear rabbits and foxes running in the woods. They don't feel the cold. They are not ghosts, but their bodies become so light they can walk on top of trees and cross wide rivers like the Kuskokwim in a hop or two.
 
The Yup'ik term for it, Atchak said, is cillem quellra. Roughly translated: "made cold by the universe."
 
"I've been hearing (about) that since I was a little girl," said Neva Rivers, a Hooper Bay elder.
 
Martha Larson, of Napakiak, said her family had a brief brush with this phenomenon. In the late 1950s, her teenage sister got lost at their summer fish camp. She was missing only about half a day. When the sister came back she told them that she could hear her family calling her but she was too afraid to show herself.
 
"Something happens to you when you get lost like that. Your mind - you start to panic," Larson said.
 
Some in the Yukon-Kuskokwim Delta, such as Rivers and Peter Jacobs, remember the case of Gabriel Fox. Thirty years ago, Gabriel walked away from a children's home upriver to avoid punishment for some trouble he was in. Searchers chased the boy on their snowmachines but he was too fast for them. As he ran, his feet didn't touch the ground, Jacobs said, holding one hand about 10 inches above the other as he recounted the story.
 
Gabriel's body was never found, Atchak said.
 
To bring back a person who is in limbo like that, you have to touch him, some of the old people told Atchak, or spit on him. He will be skittish and afraid of people, but he will also be terribly thirsty. You might be able to lure him closer by pulling out a water bottle and drinking from it, Atchak learned.
 
Whoever rescues him should try to keep him isolated for about two weeks, Peter Jacobs told him. Give him only a sip of water at first, and a trace of dried fish. As he recovers he will gradually be able to tolerate more.
 
Atchak said he talked to a Napakiak man who said he had such an experience after he was left for dead in minus 30 degree weather.
 
"He got touched by somebody," Atchak said. "He said he felt so heavy when he fell down. Then he woke up in the hospital."
 
Apanguluk Kairaiuak, who is documenting the stories of Southwestern Alaska elders, said these experiences are consistent with his understanding of Yup'ik creation mythology. According to this ancient belief, he said, people were created by animal, bird and fish spirits. Before they become people, the pre-humans pass through three other phases, gradually growing more connected to the earth and less connected to their creators, he said. When a crisis strikes, a person sometimes reverts to an earlier phase, he said.
 
"Without that kind of spiritual memory, our people would not be able to do this," he said.
 
Atchak said he now understands the stories he would hear old people tell.
 
"They used to talk about some time in the future when our world would get thin," he said. "Like between our world and the next world, they become closer together."
 
He isn't dispatching searchers to look for Pavilla these days, but he held a meeting Thursday in Atmautluak to ask locals to be alert for Pavilla as they go out bird hunting, ice fishing and gathering wood. About 50 people came, he said.
 
"In the event anybody should have an encounter with him, we should approach him carefully and try not to frighten him," said Atchak.
 
After talking to the Napakiak man again, Atchak is also advising people to look for a body.
 
"From his experience, it sounded like he was able to leave his body and go into a different body," Atchak said.
 
Jacobs' son, Peter Jacobs Jr., said he thinks he saw Pavilla just last week, as he was riding from Atmautluak to Napakiak.
 
"I saw someone up on a tree, standing up in a tree," Jacobs said. "I got kind of spooked."
 
He stayed a long distance away but he figures it was Pavilla because it was miles from any village and the person standing on the branch had no snowmachine.
 
In other recent reports, people have said Pavilla's face is dark and his hair is long, Atchak said.
 
"He's been outside for a heck of a long time," Atchak said.
 
In Atmautluak, Pavilla's father looks for his missing son every day.
 
Moses Pavilla said he has believed from the start that his son is alive. Soon after he went missing, the elder Pavilla went to the trail he disappeared from. He believes he heard his son in the bushes.
 
"He was close by me but I couldn't see him," the father said in a recent telephone interview.
 
A few weeks later, in Atmautluak, Moses Pavilla says he saw Richard heading into his sister's house. She was inside but said she hadn't seen anyone.
 
So Moses Pavilla keeps looking, riding his snowmachine back and forth between the village, his fish camp and a neighboring village.
 
"I never stay home much this winter, because I really need him," Moses Pavilla said by telephone last week.




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