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Title: 50 years ago today
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 22, 2013, 03:03:04 PM
50 years ago today the assassination of a U.S. President sent shock waves around the world. 


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: LilCerberus on November 22, 2013, 03:45:46 PM
On this day, 11 years ago, the lead singer of INXS was found at half staff.


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: major jay on November 22, 2013, 06:39:10 PM
A big piece of the United State's spirit, togetherness, and unified drive died with that great man that day, and we've never really quite recovered from it. Such a monumental loss.


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: El Misfit on November 22, 2013, 11:29:52 PM
50 years ago today was 11/22/1963.  :tongueout:


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: LilCerberus on November 22, 2013, 11:44:00 PM
On this day, 11 years ago, the lead singer of INXS was found at half staff.

I got it wrong; it wasnt 11 years ago, it was 16. :lookingup:


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: indianasmith on November 22, 2013, 11:46:51 PM
I took the time out from my lesson plans today and talked to each class about JFK and what his death meant to the nation, and especially to those of us in the Dallas Fort Worth area . . . I talked about who Kennedy was, and why so many loved him - and why so many hated him as well.  We listened to a portion of his First Inaugural Address.  Then we took the time to review a little bit of the bizarre life of Lee Harvey Oswald as well.  It was a teachable moment, overall.


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: Trevor on November 23, 2013, 01:28:02 AM
I took the time out from my lesson plans today and talked to each class about JFK and what his death meant to the nation, and especially to those of us in the Dallas Fort Worth area . . . I talked about who Kennedy was, and why so many loved him - and why so many hated him as well.  We listened to a portion of his First Inaugural Address.  Then we took the time to review a little bit of the bizarre life of Lee Harvey Oswald as well.  It was a teachable moment, overall.


Something I've always wanted to know and you're the best person to ask: what on earth is this all about?

(http://www.jfk.org/images/collections/detail_thumbnails/1999.023.0017.jpg)

How can someone accuse the President of treason?


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 23, 2013, 08:47:28 AM
I took the time out from my lesson plans today and talked to each class about JFK and what his death meant to the nation, and especially to those of us in the Dallas Fort Worth area . . . I talked about who Kennedy was, and why so many loved him - and why so many hated him as well.  We listened to a portion of his First Inaugural Address.  Then we took the time to review a little bit of the bizarre life of Lee Harvey Oswald as well.  It was a teachable moment, overall.


Something I've always wanted to know and you're the best person to ask: what on earth is this all about?

([url]http://www.jfk.org/images/collections/detail_thumbnails/1999.023.0017.jpg[/url])

How can someone accuse the President of treason?


Wow, Trevor, you don't understand American politics! Every President's political enemies accuse him of treason and want him to be impeached.

(http://itmakessenseblog.com/files/2013/10/Obama-for-treason.jpg)

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzzSo6-4wFr2CswYkWtTSnslaKJDT2nntZPxZqxnZeuz4gefTr)(http://www.progressiveblendradio.com/images/TREASON.jpg)

In America, we think when a politician pursues policies we personally disagree with, it is treason. Isn't that the way it works in other countries?


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: zelmo73 on November 23, 2013, 11:04:05 AM
I wish that American politics would clean house the old fashioned way. As they say in the computer tech industry: Garbage In, Garbage Out!  :cheers:

(http://content.artofmanliness.com/uploads/2010/03/burr3.jpg)


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: El Misfit on November 23, 2013, 11:57:07 AM
Related, funny but hurtful
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1459773_686711288061613_1273459861_n.jpg)


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: indianasmith on November 23, 2013, 12:56:57 PM
Political hyperbole has always been the order of the day in America, going back to Jefferson vs. Adams . . .
when Jefferson was branded as an atheist, a Jacobin, and a shameless libertine who would burn the Constitution on a French altar to the Goddess Reason, and Adams was vilified as a corrupt monarchist who wanted to marry his sons to the daughters of George III and create an American royal family!!!!

The pamphlets in Dallas were created by the local chapter of the John Birch Society, I believe - a fanatical anti-Communist bunch that flourished in the 1960's.


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: major jay on November 23, 2013, 05:13:14 PM
The fact that people couldn't accept an unassuming outwardly ordinary guy could kill the President and change the coarse of history shows how devastating the event was.There had to be some kind of horrible reason for it. But no, it was just some douchebag that wanted make his mark.


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: indianasmith on November 23, 2013, 05:49:49 PM
I used to be a hard core conspiracy theorist, but after really looking things over I am now 80% sure that Oswald did it himself.  One of the problems in looking into this event is that there were so many people who hated Kennedy that it gets to be like MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS - too many suspects!


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: zelmo73 on November 23, 2013, 08:17:50 PM
Physics kinda kills the lone gunman theory though. I'm betting that the conspirators wish that they could take back that last head shot to the front of his head and that it hadn't been caught on film. Maybe then, people wouldn't still be talking about it 50 years later.


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 23, 2013, 08:27:48 PM
Since KENNEDY's murder was caught on film, all of the once hard-to-see footage is examined again and again.  56 seconds into this video, the last gruesome shot looks like it's from behind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmz4lz6l8Fs


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: zelmo73 on November 24, 2013, 02:07:07 AM
You be the judge, I guess:

http://www.assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/wound.html (http://www.assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/wound.html)


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: indianasmith on November 24, 2013, 02:09:20 AM
People have been arguing ever since it was released to the public in 1975 exactly what the Zapruder film shows.  We're not going to settle it here.


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: Javakoala on November 24, 2013, 07:30:34 AM
I still think it was alien squirrels, but no one will listen to me.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 24, 2013, 12:09:28 PM
People have been arguing ever since it was released to the public in 1975 exactly what the Zapruder film shows.  We're not going to settle it here.
Yes, Indy.  One thing's for sure, we're not going to argue about it here. 


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: zelmo73 on November 24, 2013, 12:12:22 PM
Then why did you start arguing?


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 24, 2013, 12:55:18 PM
A big piece of the United State's spirit, togetherness, and unified drive died with that great man that day, and we've never really quite recovered from it. Such a monumental loss.
Thanks for understanding. 


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: El Misfit on November 24, 2013, 04:56:42 PM
People have been arguing ever since it was released to the public in 1975 exactly what the Zapruder film shows.  We're not going to settle it here.

It'll never be settled, there will always be those who says aliens did it for the Illuminati's birthday pie. :tongueout:


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: zelmo73 on November 24, 2013, 07:06:23 PM
Quote from: indianasmith
People have been arguing ever since it was released to the public in 1975 exactly what the Zapruder film shows.  We're not going to settle it here.


[url]http://www.assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/wound.html[/url] ([url]http://www.assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/wound.html[/url])


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Feynman found that JFK’s head moved forwards at the moment of impact.

The laws of physics then tell us that the shot must have come from behind!

The backwards movement of the President’s head after Frame 313 then became the mystery. Were there two shots? Could there be some other physics explanation for this strange phenomenon? Did the red spray of blood force his head backwards, like a jet engine? Could his muscles have gone into spasm because of the brain damage?


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But Lifton made a discovery that, for more than two decades, was so incredible that it was not given much credence: the head wound shown on the Zapruder film does not at all match the wound described by eyewitnesses and the doctors that treated JFK in Dallas!



The Zapruder film, and whomever had control of it for all of those years before it was released to the public, raised more questions than it did answers.


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 24, 2013, 10:58:02 PM
First Lincoln now this guy. Is JFK the one who pulled the sword from the stone and became King?


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: indianasmith on November 25, 2013, 12:12:06 AM
Poor Lester.  Most Americans look up at least some of our Presidents; I have a feeling you wish the office had never even been created. :bluesad:


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: Trevor on November 25, 2013, 12:49:52 AM
The pamphlets in Dallas were created by the local chapter of the John Birch Society, I believe - a fanatical anti-Communist bunch that flourished in the 1960's.

Thanks, Indy: you've cleared up a lengthy mystery for me. :cheers:

Now I know why Don Siegel was referring to the JFK assassination and the society you mentioned in his autobiography while he was shooting The Killers: the studios were closed and one of his crew (a member of the JBS) wanted to work anyway.  :smile:


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: Trevor on November 25, 2013, 05:09:57 AM
I took the time out from my lesson plans today and talked to each class about JFK and what his death meant to the nation, and especially to those of us in the Dallas Fort Worth area . . . I talked about who Kennedy was, and why so many loved him - and why so many hated him as well.  We listened to a portion of his First Inaugural Address.  Then we took the time to review a little bit of the bizarre life of Lee Harvey Oswald as well.  It was a teachable moment, overall.


Something I've always wanted to know and you're the best person to ask: what on earth is this all about?

([url]http://www.jfk.org/images/collections/detail_thumbnails/1999.023.0017.jpg[/url])

How can someone accuse the President of treason?


Wow, Trevor, you don't understand American politics! Every President's political enemies accuse him of treason and want him to be impeached.

([url]http://itmakessenseblog.com/files/2013/10/Obama-for-treason.jpg[/url])

([url]https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzzSo6-4wFr2CswYkWtTSnslaKJDT2nntZPxZqxnZeuz4gefTr[/url])([url]http://www.progressiveblendradio.com/images/TREASON.jpg[/url])

In America, we think when a politician pursues policies we personally disagree with, it is treason. Isn't that the way it works in other countries?


If I had to accuse my President of treason, I would be in jail very quickly.  :buggedout: :buggedout:


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: Trevor on November 25, 2013, 05:12:30 AM
One of the problems in looking into this event is that there were so many people who hated Kennedy that it gets to be like MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS - too many suspects!

And too many frightened seven year old kids in the audience: me in 1974, my first movie.  :teddyr:


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 25, 2013, 08:52:12 AM

If I had to accuse my President of treason, I would be in jail very quickly.  :buggedout: :buggedout:

We take our freedom to criticize our public officials very seriously, and even if it gets hateful and ridiculous at times, it is better than the alternative.

Also, even though partisans constantly try to have the sitting President impeached, it's almost impossible to successfully do---we've had more Presidents assassinated than impeached.


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: Newt on November 25, 2013, 09:17:20 AM
Also, even though partisans constantly try to have the sitting President impeached, it's almost impossible to successfully do---we've had more Presidents assassinated than impeached.

Crude, but effective.


Title: Re: 50 years ago today
Post by: tracy on November 25, 2013, 12:05:30 PM
This happened 38 days before I was born but my Mother said it was still as fresh on their mind as if it just occurred. My parents greatly admired Kennedy and felt the loss deeply.