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South Africa's President Jacob Zuma announced in a national address that Nelson Mandela has just passed away.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/05/world/africa/nelson-mandela/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter

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One of the truly historic figures of the late 20th century.
A man of courage and dignity, however one feels about his politics.

I first heard of this guy when I was 19.
I was working at ASAP Printing in Houston, when we got this last minute rush order to print up these posters.

I had no idea who this guy was, but I thought they were pretty cool, so I stole one off the reject pile.

It was a painting of a younger Mandela, with blood & sweat dripping from his brow. The background was the outline of Africa shaped from barbed wire that was consumed in flames, with the words FREE MANDELA written in flames (though, I can't remember if it was on the top or bottom).

My Mom picked me up from work, & one the way home, told me who this guy was.
When I got home, I flicked on the news, & GUESS WHAT?
The client still had to pay for them, though, they sat on the OUTGOING shelf for a pretty long time.

Indeed.
A man who spends nearly 30 years in jail, and who comes out of jail with an attitude of love and pity those who wronged him, and not the will to destroy them, has quite a character within him. Not many would feel that way...

"Mandela’s sharp statements rarely cited in mainstream media"

http://rt.com/news/mandela-sharp-quotes-media-860/

This is why only liberals in the U.S. really miss the guy. The 2nd comment in the Comments section of that web page makes a good point though.

I largely agree with those statements actually. I don't know much about him but his wife seems like kind of a Hillary type, less appealing and more sinister than her husband.

Fixed that For you.

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Slashed out the part that can cause a s**t storm.

Why? Nobody cared about his wife.

And it's stuff like this that can cause a s**t storm.

Okay, I looked into the background of Winnie Mandela and discovered something rather interesting, which does make her sound rather Hillary-ish.



From Wikipedia: http://blekko.com/wiki/Necklacing (http://blekko.com/wiki/Necklacing)

Necklacing is the practice of summary execution and torture carried out by forcing a rubber tire, filled with petrol, around a victim's chest and arms, and setting it on fire. The victim may take up to 20 minutes to die, suffering severe burns in the process.

In South Africa [edit source | edit]

The practice became a common method of lynching among black South Africans during disturbances in South Africa in the 1980s and 1990s. The first recorded instance took place in Uitenhage on 23 March 1985 when black African National Congress (ANC) supporters killed a black councillor who was accused of being a White collaborator.[1]

Necklacing "sentences" were sometimes handed down against alleged criminals by "people's courts" established in black townships as a means of enforcing their own judicial system. Necklacing was also used by the black community to punish members of the black community who were perceived as collaborators with the apartheid government. These included black policemen, town councilors and others, as well as their relatives and associates. The practice was often carried out in the name of the ANC. Winnie Mandela, then-wife of the imprisoned Nelson Mandela and a senior member of the ANC, even made statements that endorsed its use.[2] The ANC officially condemned the practice.[3] The number of deaths per month in South Africa related to political unrest as a whole from 1992 through 1995 ranged from 54 to 605 and averaged 244.[4] These figures are inclusive of massacres as well as deaths not attributed to necklacing.

The first victim of necklacing, according to the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission, was a young girl, Maki Skosana, in July 1985.[5]

“ Moloko said her sister was burned to death with a tire around her neck while attending the funeral of one of the youths.
Her body had been scorched by fire and some broken pieces of glass had been inserted into her vagina, Moloko told the committee.

Moloko added that a big rock had been thrown on her face after she had been killed.[6]
 

Zelmo, is this really the time or place to bring this sort of stuff up?
Mandela was a great man - but all great men are flawed at some level.  You're dragging in stuff that he had no part in, into a thread that was intended to honor his memory.  I'm not saying that this sort of discussion is not appropriate at some point - but this is not the time.

I believe that there is a lot that has happened in South Africa that most of us Americans don't know much about. This is why I normally don't designate someone as "great" without checking into their background first. I am curious as to what some of our resident South African friends think of his passing though.

I became aware of Mandela back in the '70's.  I am not keen on the current trend to present the man as some sort of a saint: I feel that actually diminishes his achievements.  What is most remarkable about him is that he emerged from imprisonment and re-created himself and his country into something far, far better than what they had been. No big deal for a saint; a huge achievement of effort for a mere flawed human, on all levels.  THAT is rare and admirable.

His ex-wife's actions represent the road he decided he could and would no longer follow.  

Indiana- It's no disrespect to him to discuss those sort of things. While he was in jail the ANC resorted to some brutal tactics.

Why does this s**t have to happen when the guy just died? Is it really necessary to go out of your way to dis the guys wife after he died? If you say yes, then you are making yourself look like an assh*le with a dildo shoved up your ass.

Ex-wife. Just a guess, but I doubt Nelson would have taken serious offense to people trashing Winnie.

I guess it's hard to fault the guy for starting something up then having no control over it after he got locked up for 20+ years. Nelson dropped the ball, the ANC picked it up, but then they ran toward the wrong goal with it.

the past couple of days I've been reading a lot about Mandela's life, some positive, some negative. I have absolutely no idea what to think about the guy. The media obviously turned him into some kind of symbol for peace, hope and integrity, but the more I read about his pre-incarceration life the more I gather his involvement with terrorist style tactics and organisations was more prominent than the media has ever let on. I just don't know... he's not impacted my life in any way so all I can conclude is:  RIP to 'some guy' called Nelson Mandela

MIsfot- the people who died via neckacing died horrible deaths. There's no glossing that over.

Well, that escalated in no time....

No, there isn't. Go to Metacrawler.com, type in the word "necklacing" in the website's search engine, and you'll get a pretty clear picture of that legacy.

There is a time and place for that, here an now isn't. no matter how hard you try, you are acting like they kid who cried wolf. True at the end, whiny brat who wants attention at the beginning.

Doctor heal thyself

So we were lying since the beginning? It appears that the truth from the very beginning is what is making you so upset.

All of human history seems a bit sh!t smeared.  Frankly, I do not necessarily disagree with you, but we, the Badmovies community, need to try to hang onto civility. 

More like how we are not amused at this s**t.

That's good, because I wasn't trying to be funny either.

who is "we"? you and other newbies?

^Pretty sure it's you and Zelmo here, though it seems to be more of Zelmo and less of you

Do you ever watch bad movies?

ehh....why wud any1 do that? i only watch teh gud movies!

All right, let's keep this topic good-natured then. Remember Dave Chappelle's hilarious impression of Nelson Mandela in "Nelson Mandela Boot Camp"?

yeah, just not that often due to my sister watching TV all the time.

You're a good kid.
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This is totally disrespectful for Nelson Mandela and each one of you dragging his name in the mud should be ashamed of yourselves.

Speaking as the resident South African, all I can say is that I am glad the Old Man (note the caps) has no more pain, no more suffering and is at peace. 95! I should be so lucky to live that long and have such an eventful life. As far as anything political goes, on that I have no opinion.

Or, like a true gentleman, you will keep your political opinions to yourself. :cheers:

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it got a bit tempestuous in here, I hope everyone's still friends

Me?  I love everybody.  El Misfit hates everybody.  Same as before!  :teddyr: :cheers:

I think he should definitely be remembered for the good he tried to do. Some view him as an over-glorified terrorist. Even if he wasn't a saint, I feel that might be a bit harsh, considering the good he tried to achieve. South Africa still has alot of problems these days, notably crime and corruption. I'd like to see it change for the better in the future.

It always seems unsettling when a man of such world prominence passes,whether you agree with his views or not.

It's unsettling, huh? Yeah  I'm sure Israel wailed at the wall for days after Arafat died, and I'm sure all Russians cried for days when Stalin died, especially those who were sent to his "railroad" for being "mentally unfit" for opposing Communism.   :tongueout:

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THANK YOU FOR CONTRIBUTING TO THE THREAD!!!

Yes I am in an annoyed mood.

Nelson Mandela gave me hope. :smile:

Yeah, sorry I didn't engage in petty political bickering with the rest of you.  You're  such an infant.

I wasn't wanting to upset anyone.....

Aside from the little quip I left a few pages back, I mostly avoided this thread.
However, after seeing the turn this threas has taken, I will say one thing.

NO man is truly without sin. And yes, while Mr. Mandela was an extraordinary human being for the ordeals he endured, the fact is is that NO man is without their wrongdoing.  That said, Mr. Mandela's wrongdoings would have eventually become the subject of discussion somewhere else, if not here at Badmovies. And, it would happen as it always does, with the usual chances for harmony or discord afforded these types of post-mortem discussions regarding great leaders. It's part of the process.

Sadly, what seems to be happening is that it seems to be a crime to criticize people for anything today,  and it seems that the right to do so seems to be disappearing at a faster rate every day, regardless of the right to speak one's mind that is inherent to ALL human beings.

And with that being said, we need to remember that while it IS true that politics and religion are topics that should be avoided if one wished to remain friends with others, there is no stopping an individual from speaking their mind. That you cannot stop, or take away.

All you can hope for is that respect will prevail, but it doesn't always work that way.  Just stay cool and let it work itself out.  Peace, fellow members  :cheers:  :smile:

Umaril

You didn't do anything wrong, Tracy. You just need to stay out of political topics if you don't want to upset anyone, or be upset by anyone.

I think we can probably put this one to bed now.

You didn't do anything wrong, Tracy.  Your post was nicely unbiased and entirely appropriate.

I'm still astonished that so many of a lot of the same global leaders, politicians, etc. were pouring the same accolades and remembrances on the late U.S. Senator Robert Byrd's memory: former Ku Klux Klan leader turned "respected voice of the Senate" according to the New York Times and President Bill Clinton among others. I guess redemption is best served by those who don't remember what an old guy did in his youth. :cheers:

I was not a huge fan of Robert Byrd, but I will say that in his later years he did all he could to atone for the sins of his youth, and was dedicated to the cause of civil rights.  I think it is important to judge a person by their life in full, not by a single snapshot from a misspent moment.

Well, Bull is young... and he means well.