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aka grass-ganja-weed-dope-mary jane-whatever you wanna call it-I just call it Pot-its gettin legal-I would like to know if you smoke it-and  your opinion on its legalization.
Myself-In my life-Ive smoked so much pot its crazy.
I quit for a long time. Lately I been smoking it-alot-. I Like pot. I think It should be legal everywhere.Booze is legal-and POT is not? Wha?  :question:

Sorry, I've always hated pot.  I can't stand the smell.  It's illegal here in Portland and people still do it all the time.  And the cops do nothing.  Yeah, alcohol is worse and I don't really do that either.  Just an old stick-in-the-mud fuddyduddy I guess.

I don't do any intoxicants.  Period.  Ever.
That being said, alcohol kills WAY more people than all illegal drugs combined.
I have become a very reluctant advocate for legalization.

There aint a damn thing wrong with being an old "fuddy duddy".
I was born in 1962-I cant stand new music for the most-but Im an addictive personality--now-s**t like Ecstasy,meth,or any other drug-I dont f**k with any other drugs. I did LSD in the 70's and 80's,cocaine,opium,herion,qualudes,mescaline,methadone,moriphine,mushrooms....I did em all. I drink whiskey and smoke pot now.

I agree with you 100% Indy. I actually think they should make booze harder to get than pot!

The war on pot has been a waste of money and human lives for decades-its time for it to STOP!
Throwing decent folks in jail for smoking a joint is insane-all-and I do mean ALL of the politictions since this country started have had get togethers that involved f**king BOOZE!
 This country is a BOOZE and cigarettes country-and they slam POT? Horse s**t.

Angry BELA!  Angry!   :bouncegiggle: 

So now you're smokin' weed?  Who knew bourbon was a gateway drug?   :teddyr:   :drink:  Hey, lots of us lived (and I mean lived) through the '70s and '80s.  Heroin?  Yuck.  I knew lots of people who had been were etc, etc, yuck.  I knew a girl I loved and heroin killed her.  However, I get you.  I kind of had a moment where two friends of mine tonight saw no tragedy just disgust with PHILIP SEYMOUR HOFFMAN.   They had no experience with drug addiction.  I spoke up but shut my mouth with the hostile reception 'cause his death is damned f**king sordid.  He was a father of three, but I can't defend him.   :bluesad: 

Back on topic:  You want weed?  Grow it.   :teddyr:

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I like to see it use for medical use first.

I don't do drugs or alcohol, though I did try both when I was younger.
Personally (this isn't an attack) I feel sorry for people who feel the need to "enhance" their life with pot, or alcohol.

It made sense in a way, sociologically, to ban it because it was foreign. It's part of the culture to an extent now though.

Also, more to the point, prohibition hasn't worked. By making it illegal they were supposed to make it hard to get and unaffordable, neither of which it achieved at all.

I don't smoke it.

Never done pot, have no desire to. I drink, but only when I'm at home for the day, or going to be somewhere long enough to loose the buzz.

I fear people who can't control dangerous objects when they're 'sober' as it is...when the brain is addled by booze or drugs...well, there is a good reason I'm a paranoid behind the wheel...

As one who has lost relatives to both alcohol and drugs, I wish that neither of them had ever come into existence.  My father was also a drug\alcohol addict and it cost him his family. So while the balance of power tips in the direction of the ones who want it, I can only hope that there exists some understanding for those of us who have good reason  to not want it, esp. if it's affected our families.

My experience with pot: loved it when I was a teenager. I very briefly fell into a group of stoners who smoked everyday and didn't like it at all. Just started feeling lethargic and a little "dopey" all the time; completely lost the fun. I returned to smoking it somewhere between once a week and once every two or three months through my twenties; never has any problem putting it down. Then I stopped for years simply because none of my friends smoked. Tried it again in my thirties, and apparently something in my brain chemistry had changed. Just couldn't get really high anymore; I felt slightly intoxicated but it was not much fun.

Overall I think that pot's no big deal. I understand there are some people who have an issue with it, but I think the verdict is in that it's a lot less damaging/debilitating than alcohol or most other drugs. If alcohol and pot were both discovered tomorrow and a panel of scientists had to pick one to be the social intoxicant of choice, I have no doubt weed would win.

I think it has close to zero value as medicine. That seems like a gigantic scam.

As far as drug control policy goes, I like the Portuguese decriminalization model. Possession of drugs for personal use is an administrative offense, not a criminal offense. Offenders can be fined, put on probation or enter drug treatment free of charge. They will NOT be thrown into prison. Sale of narcotics remains illegal like everywhere else. This seems to me like a well-balanced policy that is more humane to drug users but doesn't go so far as legalization.

I'm in favor of legalizing it and then taxing the snot out of it, booze, and cigarettes so that they are obtainable, but not every day items.

Of course, I believe that we should bill the cigarette companies for all the health-related issues that come from smoking. My tax dollars shouldn't help care for people who make stupid choices when they have had clear evidence for decades that it can destroy your health.

Never used it.

I don't dink alcohol (can't stand the taste) and I've been around smokers enough to know that's not for me either.  But the tax on them can help pay for things so if its legalized for that reason I can understand.

Like anything,  it's a risk vs reward situation.  I'm sure there will be some negative consequences to legal marijuana. Any substance can be dangerous if taken in excess, even water.  And there may be some others we just won't know about until they happen.  The question is will they out way the benefits of sin tax and non-violent offenders not going to jail.

I suppose if it where legal everywhere, I might try it.  But until then, I'm staying clean.

http://takimag.com/article/legalize_itjust_dont_smoke_it/print (http://takimag.com/article/legalize_itjust_dont_smoke_it/print)

"Legalize it-- Just don't smoke it"

I agree with this. unfortunately, this kind of thinking is beyond the comprehension of a lot of people.

John Wayne said: "Life's hard. It's harder when you're stupid." Doing just about anything to chemically impair yourself makes life not only harder for you but for those family and friends who have to step in and take up the slack for you, whether you know they're doing it or not. I've known my share of drug users and while most wouldn't admit it, in every case someone to some extent did have to take up where they left off, making it unfair for that person. The war on drugs is a failure; people will always get stoned; and they'll always be doing something unwise when they do.

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I've never used the stuff and never intend to  because if I did I would have to increase the dosage (read pay more) for some medications I'm on. That said, I find it strange that pot is illegal while alcohol and tobacco are legal and cause more damage to those using them.

I'm a fan.

smoked a silly amount between the ages of 16 to 24, now haven't touched the stuff for over 12 yrs. it was great at first because it seemed to make music sound 10x better. I would stick a record I'd heard a thousand times before on, and hear things in it I'd never heard before, like a certain bassline or guitar line hidden in the mix... so that's great, but then it became something that I could feel distorting my mind and making me ultra paranoid. At one point when I was probably smoking about 10 spliffs a day, I actually started believing I was being stalked by a Chinese religious sect who were leaving secret clues and messages for me in the form of graffiti around the town where I lived. this became obsessional and turned me into a kind of hermit, and in retrospect it was 100% definitely due to my weed intake. so I'm glad I gave it up, the hardest drug I do these days is caffeine.  but as far as legalisation goes, I think it should be *my decision* to not smoke it, not the government's.

I've read that if alcohol was discovered tomorrow it would be an instant class A drug

I've never smoked pot though I must admit I left a Pink Floyd concert feeling "interesting". I really see no problem with the legalization of it for medical use....it wouldn't suprise me if its use as a pain reliever and stress reducer had less harmful side effects than some pills. Also,I have no problem with a small amount for personal use. Down here I've seen far more damage done from those 12 pack a night beer drinkers than someone who lights up a joint to relax. Let the state regulate and tax it.

     I smoked pot from 1973 until 1997, didn't smoke while locked up, smoked with my friend Dave after I got out; I haven't smoked any since I got here, because I don't know anyone here who sells, and penalties are harsher here than in Ohio.

     Were it legal here, I'd smoke it. It's a great analgesic, and I enjoyed the relaxation you get from a buzz. Sure, you can use it to excess, and stay wasted all the time, but my friends and I were never like that. I don't really like alcohol that much, never did, and besides, it just makes me feel muddy and sleepy these days.

     I never tried, or wanted to try heroin or crack, tried coke once BITD, didn't like it-made me feel jangly, not high. Same for speed, or downers; to  me, that's not being high. I did like acid, and mescaline, but so much of that that's out there is junk of unknown composition.
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Was never a fan of it, nor am I now.  Back in high school, around 2001 or so, I was particularly straight-edge, and didn't drink or smoke pot.  However, I wrote a 15 page paper for a teacher of mine on how the use of marijuana should be legalized.

Since then, I've tried it.  Didn't particularly like it or feel anything.  Granted, I've only tried it about five times my entire life and then moved on to worse things. 

But yeah, I think it should be de-criminalized/legalized. 

I don't smoke it but wouldn't mind seeing it legal.   Hell, I'd love to try to grow it. 

Anybody who smokes pot should go straight to jail, no get out free card!

Gosh, who'd that leave to be the jailers?

I'd like to see an explanation for that statement, if you would be so kind.

Well my username has 420 in it so I was being sarcastic. Personally as someone who has two vices weed and alcohol, it is clear to me which is more harmful. I know from experience that you can excel academically (I was top of my class in 4th year university while smoking daily) and stay physically in excellent shape while smoking once or twice a day. You get drunk even 3 or 4 days a week and these things become extremely difficult as you will feel like crap half of the time and not have the energy to work out hard. Creatively as well it is very common for me to come back from a smoke with new song ideas and record/compose high quality material. Drinking you mostly just end up talking about creative stuff you want to do and never get around to it. As it is now I am cutting down on the drinking significantly but I cant foresee taking away having a spliff at night as I really do love it. There is a limit though, you cant just start smoking in the morning and accomplish much of anything. Everything in moderation even moderation.

As for legality its completely insane that any person would be in jail for smoking pot. I mean my mayor Rob Ford smokes much worse and hes the mayor!

I'll smoke pot MAYBE once a year usually about once every 2-3 years.  Personally I don't really think legalizing it will do anything but encourage the black market for the stuff.  By the time the states put on all the taxes they will simply price themselves out of the market. 

Mom is a proponent of medical marijuana use (pot is called 'dagga' here) as she had two sisters - one had cancer and the other chronic asthma - for whom her Mom would prepare a marijuana tea which would relieve the symptoms. Mom told me she tried the tea a few times and she found it very bitter indeed. 

It's a little funny that I find it growing wild here from time to time. It may date from the '80s when this was my grandparents' house and my cousins used to go back in the woods and smoke it and toss the seeds.

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Louie ck drugs are a solution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4sjI8KzKxI#ws)

When I wrote that, I thought it was 341. Also, I have heard people say that and not give an explanation.

That reminded me of a story Dad used to tell. He was a police officer before we were born and one day he found some pot growing wild in our grandmother's back yard. No idea how it got there but he pulled it up and disposed of it before telling her what it was. Needless to say,she was appalled. :teddyr:

Smoked it for years.  Love it.  Would buy it all the time if it were legal.  Wait, what am I saying?  I buy it all the time and it's STILL illegal here in Iowa!
I'm not a total stoner but I do like to smoke up before marathon gaming sessions on the Xbox 360 or before a bike ride.  (yes, I said bike ride)  Being baked while cranking out miles on a mountain bike is a total blast.  I get into this zone and just fly.

Never had the urge to do harder drugs so I never bought into that whole "gateway drug" theory.

Of course, I don't do any recreational drugs and never will but I am in favor of legalization. The war on drugs indeed is not working and honestly legalizing it might just take a lot out of the hands of those who lace pot with other drugs to get people hooked or worse...also perhaps a bit less in the control of organized crime. I would be wary of people driving under its influence though.

It's ultimately people's choice what they do and making some things illegal isn't necessarily going to get people to do what others think best.

How many weed smokers do you ever see on Intervention? 

Or on Jeopardy?

We don't know

On Jeopardy?  ...Every night. 

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"What is.........ohh, these colors man, the colors....."  :wink:

Relax, dudes, it's a joke. Puff up a fattie.  :hot:

I've pumped a widish range of legal, illegal, and semi-legal stuff into my system over the years, and none of it stuck (oustide of coffee).  Its a good buzz, less fattening than booze (minus the munchies), but its still not my thing.   I worry about legalization and how some people (kids mostly) will latch onto it.

Legalizing in my mind is complicated. Its an "easy" high and I think that it feeds addictive personalities due to  its "natural" and "herbal" and "medicinal" properties.  So in that way I think its more addictive as people think its "clean" and more wholesome than other highs.  And yes it is addictive, you can't see a "wake and bake" user and not see that.  BUT we don't need to be spending billions busting people with it either.  Its not the evil drug of Reefer Madness, but it's not harmless neither.

 I lived in the Netherlands, and the approach was interesting, yes it was legal, but there was a sort of social stigma associated with using it (analogous to maybe going to nudie bars here).  You never saw professionals in the pot shops, or grannies or anything like that. 



-Ed

Yeah I would actually say I'm anti-legalization despite being a pot smoker. It isn't the same for everyone that's what people don't realize it is genuinely damaging to some people especially if you have undiagnosed conditions. The addictiveness of it also depends on the person as it's more psychologically addictive than chemically addictive, *personally* everyone I know has stopped with no problem at all, suddenly, after being heavy users - the worst symptom being mild boredom. I've stopped after long periods of smoking tobacco as well with practically no issues so it could just be me, legalising is best done how NL have done it though plus yeah I think it's worth mentioning NLs social approach to recreational drugs in general - their youth is a lot more clued about the dangers than in the UK for example (2-MMC being a classic example of people NOT researching a drug, which is far from harmless).

My Mom visited several pot shops when she was in Amsterdam three years ago...  :teddyr:

4 and change years later I had some pot brownies that my sister's bf (potential brother in law?) made. My sister doesn't like edibles because of how hard the high hits. I can see where she's coming from. Being high for that long was strange, though it's more likely that I'm not used to being high and feeling my body ripple is a foreign experience.
I'm for legalizing it, if only to bankrupt privately owned prisons. New Orleans still has pot being illegal, but it's not on a high (pun not intended) priority as much as finding murderers or preventing a brawl. Case in point was that nearly two months ago I went to a big gayfest with some friends and bought some edibles. There were cops nearby and saw me buy some and didn't care. Same thing about the police at the music fest I attended over the weekend. There were people bringing in pot through security and smoking it at the venues, and the cops didn't care because of the priority.

I'm not even surprised how many people at work smoke pot and do other drugs and also admit it. Seems like more people do drugs these days than back in the day when I would occasionally smoke a joint in hiding  :bouncegiggle:

I guess times have changed and people are more open about it. Most I know even seem proud doing drugs. Kind of like vegans who tell everyone they are vegan even though you don't want to know.

Why did this old thread come back?
As long as it did-
Yeah-I still smoke pot. More than ever, actually!
Oh-I was never a Vegan.
Oh yeah- I been smoking pot since 1977.
I'm smoking pot right now.

Times have changed. Vegan? WTF is a Vegan?
I know what a Vegan is- but I still ask-What the f**k is a vegan? And why?


Times have changed? How old are you? Maybe in your late 30's?
Times have changed? You gotta be kidding me.
Not a damn thing has changed. Only balance of power..
Folks been smokin pot a long time. Let them be.

So! After all this fun debate-!
I like pot,myself.  :thumbup:

I remember when I was due to finish my contract back in 2010, the thing I was looking forward to the most was that I was going to have a huge joint, then they asked me to extend to 22 years and that put that idea out the window. Not sure why I wanted to have one since they'd had so little effect on me when I was younger. Maybe it was just the thought of having the freedom again to be able to do something like that, rather than the act itself. After all, you do give up a lot of personal freedoms to be in this job. Now, I don't think it would matter to me if I left, I doubt I'd feel an urge to go smoke one anymore. I don't have any issues with anyone that does though in their private time though and want's to smoke it (although equally I'd take issue with someone smoking it and doing a safety critical job for example).

If pot ruins lives why does Michael Phelps have 8 gold medals? :question:

I'm aware that folks been smoking pot a long time. What I meant was that where I grew up people would do drugs more secretly, in private and were kind of hush about it. No idea about other places but this was my experience from where I lived back then.
I usually get new people (temps) at work assigned to me and I have to show them what to do. More than often some will tell me after a couple of hours that they can't wait to get home to chill and smoke pot or do other drugs. Even though they barely know me, they mention this casually. This wasn't the same years ago. People wouldn't boast about their drug habit to strangers, at least not in my neck of the woods.
Laws regarding drugs are strict here in Germany. People think they get a free pass doing pot for own use but in reality they don't. Even if cops catch you with a small amount you can still get into trouble with the law.

We're entering a phase in which we'll learn some real science about what CBDs are good for and what they aren't.

Marijuana demonstrably harms younger brains, and there's no good reason for a kid (<22 years of age) to use it.   None.  The harms outweigh the benefits, we know this already.

What the benefits may be, in appropriate patients, remains to be seen.

The rest is marketing and greed, and fake news.  :)

- Zapranoth the family doctor

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We can not justify banning marijuana while alcohol amd tobacco remain legal.

I've tried it before and it's not something I care for. I've had some bad reactions with it, maybe it was laced with something, I'm not sure. I know people that use it regularly, because it's legal in Oregon.

you might be allergic, bushma. several family members are.

Honestly this is a very near perfect summation of my feelings.

I'm all for pot legalization,  not so enthusiastic about cocaine but hell, it's basically super caffeine.

Heroin,  I don't  really want to legalize  it  as legwlmopiods are bad enough.

As for meth,  sorry,  can't get behind legalizing a drug the nazis created and the american and British military rejected as too harmful.

Hey, I got an idea, let's make a drug that stops the impulse to get high and then hook everyone on it. Sound like a plan?

No, eliminating freedom to choose is not a solution.

I've always been a proponent of the Portuguese model for drug policy. Basically, make all drug USE a misdemeanor but keep drug TRAFFICKING illegal, spend the money you save not prosecuting users into rehabilitation and recovery services. Logical, and it seems to be working.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it (https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it)

Hey-I got an idea! How about YOU smoke a joint and mellow out, man?
Don't step on the grass....!

And give Big Pharma more money to corrupt the government? No.

I'm starting to think that pot causes glaucoma, because every place the legalizes pot for medical use there's suddenly a huge spike in people with that condition...

Weird, huh?

I thought it was just Sven, but come on, you guys really didn't get the irony in my suggestion to eliminate drug use by hooking everyone on drugs? Really?  :bouncegiggle:

Yer right. But sometimes I can't tell when your being serious or just plain ignorant.

You meant kidding or being ignorant, I hope.

Hmm, i sorta like this but the issue is that we don't penalize the pharma industry for pushing opioids on people, which they did for decades leading to the opioid epidemic.


Let's see, sell pot, go to prison and have your life crushed by a felony conviction. Push addictive opioids on the public thru doctors, commercials, etc, and become a billionaire...

Sorry, my stomach just turns too much at that.

Until we go after big pharma and maybe imprison a few corporate overlords (Yeah, right) I just have a hard time condemning the people selling honest driugs to people who know what they're buying.

I would be for that, but the road through rehab is an expensive one, especially in states that slash rehab funding. Speaking from experience here.

Hang in there guy, it's worth it.

I used to argue for drug decriminalization, and maybe there is pragmatism there, but it will never be the more moral stance, even taking into consideration the failure and corruption of the war on drugs. I'd like to think morals count for something, even if only as an ideal trampled underfoot by the maelstrom of life, and having a government selling drugs is not moral; not when we know the poison drugs represent to society.

Some people feel a need to get high; it's in their makeup. It is a sickness, a flaw, a dooming fault almost certain to lessen their ability to enjoy the benefits of a normal life, happiness and self-development. Should they be ashamed of their flaw? Perhaps, perhaps not, but to give in to it and seek society's blessing for it is also ridiculous and I don't understand the argument that there is a right to intoxication. That is utter BS.

Invariably when someone spends life getting high others step in to take up the slack for that person in some way or another, meaning drug-users are to an extent parasitic, undertaking an activity that is at its very best harmless and more often damaging in incalculable ways, rotting the user, those who step up for her, and greater society.

When you are high you are not functioning at a normal level; you are impaired. An impaired person is a danger to herself and to others. What right does anyone have to be endangering? Much of the misery and loss, crime, homelessness, so many of the problems out there have drug use (I'm counting alcohol there) at their heart, and whether something is illegal or legal does not change the irresponsibility of setting aside a portion of a lifetime and devoting it to intoxication. Children are innocent and frequent victims of the drug use of others. in saying this I'm not talking about incarcerated parents, I am talking about the erosion of life related to drugs. There's never a moment when life pauses and it's all right to be high, not in an unpredictable world filled with interdependence.

Who among us does not have a personal experience with a drunk driving loss or know someone who overdosed, or know someone victimized by drug crime? Anyone not able to check at least one of those boxes?

Celebrating intoxication and drug culture is especially gross. Metaphorically or literally drugs are the devil's best tool and rightly or wrongly in the future I think it will be likely the genes responsible for addiction will be targeted by eugenicists. For now we see a legal accommodation of those so weak they feel justified in seeking out the pacifiers of drugs, and at its heart the arguments for legalization are about the same as those arguments for legalizing pedophilia: "we have a need, we can't help it, we want to do it."

There is political power in numbers but numbers alone do not make something right. If fifty million rapists demanded the right to sexually assault, rape would still be wrong. A majority polled saying legalizing drugs is all right because it eliminates legal entanglements for something others will just be doing anyway....is that automatically right, just because most people want it?

Lel, not me but my sister. Worst part is that while in rehab for drug use she got addicted to drugs to make her stop being on drugs. :/

i find judging people to be a sickness. and i find inflicting your own moral code on others to be a flaw. i also find self-righteousness to be a dooming fault.
  tell me, ER, you have used the word"her" in your last post, are you projecting your own personal experience? if so, it's fine for you to look at YOURSELF any way you choose. carry on with THAT.
  in MY  experience, the vast majority or people who partake of alcohol or pot do NOT drive drunk, nor do they get overly intoxicated to the point of being incapacitated. they do it as a way to relax WITHOUT truly harmful drugs like anti depressants can be to some people's systems. just watch the commercials to see the harmful side effects. i don't have an issue with anyone who takes them to help themselves as long as they know what COULD happen to them if they end up with bad side effects, and know what to do if that happens.
  anti depressants help people. so does pot. alcohol is certainly more dangerous than either, physically, but partaking of any of them in moderation is NOT a flaw. should i consider YOU flawed for using your own body's endorphins to" get high"? because you DO, you know, when you go running, etc.. i don't judge you, don't judge me, or anyone else, please. EXCEPT those few who DO cause harm to others while under the influence. unfortunately a cell phone in hand isn't considered a drug, but they sure as hell cause vehicular death, don't they.

Is it responsible behavior to be impaired?  

I used the female pronoun because he or she were the only applicable choices in the language for the singular. (They/their is plural and grammatically incorrect.)

Of course it's my opinion. But I base my views on drugs overall on tens of thousands of annual drunk driving accidents and overdose deaths, and that does not speak of responsible behavior. As for pot being used strictly as an antidepressant, well sales of non-intoxicating marijuana compare to sales of non-alcoholic beer.

I guess pot is a subject about which you feel strongly; strong enough to attack me personally in your reply to a post that wasn't aimed at anyone here, but just a general opinion I'm free to hold. You never did refute my statement that getting high is not responsible. Legal or illegal, it's just not.

As for judging someone, you are judging me right there.

My mindset comes as a parent, and when you have children depending on you, your time is not your own. If you don't have people who depend on you, then you do have more free rein, but to get high when who knows what might happen in between then and sobriety, who might need you, what might arise, that baffles me.

Needing to get high is a weakness, not a right, however common it is.

As for me being self-righteous....that does puzzle me. I constantly address my flaws, insecurities, changes of view, my doubts about what is and what isn't, my weaknesses, my terror at my mistakes hurting others. Self doubt is a better charge against self-righteousness.

I think in many cases when I'm disliked it's because I don't share common agreement among many people here, who can't tolerate diversity of opinion. One I think just likes to put down women but that's his issue.

But doesn't society depend on a consistent code of conduct? And by implementing said code of conduct doesn't society implicitly judge other forms of conduct, & those who practice them as bad? I do agree that self-righteousness is a fault; if you always see yourself as righteous you will never realize your own faults, & may eventually cause yourself harm.

ER's pedo example was poor; a better example might be speed limits. Is there a deadly crash everytime the speed limit's broken? No, but breaking the speed limit does increase one's risk of crashing, if only slightly. Should we lower speed limits to decrease the chances of crashing further, or should we raise them? Does the increased convience outweigh the increased risk?

Not sure the endorphins/illegal drugs comparison is applicable, unless the naturally-occurring endorphins you get through exercise have some sort of mind-altering effect which makes you less aware of your surroundings. I agree that most antidepressants sound dangerous. Most states are banning cell phone use in cars; using a cell phone while driving is as bad as driving drunk.

I chose the pedophile argument because I actually heard it made, someone honestly said legalizing drugs was based on people needing to get high, and this person said he and others who share his own addiction should have recognition the same way. I found that disgusting.

Horses**t  :lookingup:.

Comparing pot smoking to pedophilia is disgustingly stupid.

ER-we get it. You don't like pot and think people who use it are losers.
Why drag it out on and on? Trying to convince them you are right?
Yeah, I know. Pot turns people into mindless zombies.
Gimme a f**kin' break.

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Ronny, I'm someone who has nearly always had a lot of responsibility placed on me, other people's lives at times, and I'm not talking about only children there, and I can't fathom the luxury of being able to feel it's all right to let myself become impaired on a regular or daily basis, and feel it was acceptable, or even beneficial, or above all, my right to get that way.

I guess, Ronny, I am trying to understand the justification for deliberate irresponsibility, and so far no one has ever been able to explain it to me. People get high because they choose to, not because they should. So I have often been the designated driver, the one who bails others out of jail (including last week when my friend got drunk and got in a fight), the one who takes care of my cousins' possessions while they go to rehab, the one who consoled my aunt the times her daughter overdosed, the one my other junky cousin tried to stab. I'm someone who got ripped off by an addict friend in college, who stole things from Jackie and me every time she came over, so she could afford to get high. I've had to take employment drug tests since I was in my teens. Drugs are foreign to me. That's where I'm coming from. I'm also always "lending" money to another friend even though she and her husband always seem to have enough money to buy their weed. I give her money because I feel bad for their little boy, but I wish they'd give up pot and spend money on him. I know I will never get my money back but I consider it an investment.

But you know, I don't feel like I'm missing out by being sober. The people I've admired could do a lot of other things people who are wasted couldn't. I've known amazing people who never touched drugs. I've never met a drug user who was in the same league.

But give me a break, I never equated smoking pot to Reefer Madness. Just said it wasn't justifiable. Which it's not.

Hell, my friend's mom in high school grew it out back and she and her husband and son smoked it all the time, telling me stories about how Carl Sagan lit up and was the Professor X. who wrote all the articles. My downstairs neighbor a dozen years ago grew a s**tload of it and smuggled it all over the place via her airline job. Got high with her a few times and once she f**king tried to molest me. (Should've added her to the list.)

I've used it and when I did I was abdicating responsibility just like anyone else who uses. That's all I was saying. Maybe you can explain it to me.

ER is correct, though I often use the plural for the sake of ease and inclusiveness. 

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Holy Moly!  :bouncegiggle:
You like Byron, right? Is he a loser? Or Poe? Or Bela Lugosi? If you will judge someone by an addiction to drugs is stupid.
You kill me, man.  :drink:
I couldn't even read all this justification of why you say stupid s**t!
Dam! Keep it down to 5 sentences or so. Even a paragraph is ok. But when you go on for half a page about some dam thing or another-it just turns into home school psychotherapy horses**t.

Sweet Satan! Don't deliver me from Evil!

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You kill me, man! Just because when YOU used it-it f**ked you up. So you assume everyone else was as freaked out as you.
You Kill me, man.  :bouncegiggle:

Oh, my God, please. I can't do this anymore. No one saw through this? I could have kept this topic up a while longer, I had an even bigger post about drugs ready, I was going to mention the deterioration of Jim Carrey and bring up the urban legend about Martin Scorsesi's nose and I had it about 1,500 words. It's been funny, it's been fun, but be free, really, I release you. Yes, I get why you smoke pot, yes, decriminalizing beats locking users up, but honestly, gang, for real? Not one of you thought I was kidding even a little? Comparing getting high to molesting children? Ohhhhhmigawd, what a day. You are all so serious. Really, exploiting pre-existing antipathy, it's like shooting fish in Cassius Clay's teacup. Jig's up, peace out, we return to regularly scheduled programming.  Thanks for the amusement, take a bow! I couldn't have done it without a few of you. TTYL

More long winded s**t!  :buggedout:
Christ onnna Cross! Just stop!  :bluesad:

You make excuses when someone calls you on something-and say "I'm joking!"
Horses**t.

Actually, Ronny, God as my witness, I been calling almost every reaction here to someone on email all night, including this. I did think maybe someone would catch on and play along sooner but, nope, having a go. Sleep tight. TTY.

Well, I reckon I ain't on the ER channel-because I don't get wtf your trying to prove or do.
Play along with what?
What world are you in?  :question:

Psst, look up "push-pull experiment'. It's the basis of everything from good-cop/bad-cop to double team selling on a car lot.

Advice: dislike leaves you vulnerable. Manipulating a couple of you based on you being out to get me is as easy as tripping someone who is shoving into you.

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What does that even mean?

Yeah, lol. Now tomorrow I'll see if the rest of what I predicted and sent to someone comes true.

I gotta go to bed, but I enjoyed this more than I thought I would.

Your out of your mind.
I'm done with this madness. Good Gravy.

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Shrug, but I predicted you guys right so far.

Ron.....I used to do this for a living in my twenties, man, this is not even a challenge, getting predictable reactions off the caustic, just nostalgia.

All right, happy trails to you. Night.

Yup. Your the best judge of people on this board. I getcha!



 LISTEN TO YOURSELF.  :bluesad:

Oh yeah- that's called 'TROLLING."

I'm still here. I can't believe it. The word troll gets used a lot. With the pot topic, nah, just proving a point that some people here will always try to attack me. As a rule I'm serious here.

I started this thread- and you decided to use it as a anti-pot crusade and to troll.  
Your attacking anyone who is of a opinion that is not yours.
And your not proving anything-unless it's some weird s**t in your head.

I thought you liked RC?  

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I wouldn't like anybody blowin' smoke in my face either.   

You actually are serious about what you pretend is a joke.
When you get caught in bulls**t-you say you are joking. That's an old trick.
I did it as a little kid. My Dad didn't fall for that bulls**t either.

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Sure,  as long as big pharma makes a fortune on them.

Getting back on track I sometimes use hash to help me relax before going to sleep. It sometimes work.

It does sound like trolling. Something I do not understand the appeal of. But perhaps we should let this rest now.

  if society truly DID depend on a code of conduct, who gets to set the standards, though? no offense, but your speeding example isn't a great one either, simply because it's a LAW, not a code of conduct. and yes, i know there are laws against illegal drugs, but those laws ARE changing all over the world. and some of the most dangerous..well, i'll use sven's example, opioids.( i know, i'm not spelling it right) they are legal, and they kill so many people. including people who AREN'T taking them, because people DO drive while under their influence.
   as for endorphins having a mind altering affect, YES, they do. and they ARE addictive. i know so many people who have replaced the addiction they" beat" with working out, in some cases to a dangerous point where they end up injuring themselves. and neglecting the rest of their lives to fill that need for the" high" they get from endorphins by spending hours a day working out. my niece is now seeing the light that SHE has an addiction to working out, and it is affecting her relationships with her children. that is NOT a good thing, i think you'll agree with me on that. 

  oh, i don't disagree with the grammar part, i simply wanted to know if she was projecting her own experience, as i said. grammar expert is NOT one of my titles, lol!

 i will say thank you for not putting me in a position to have to reveal info from your PM. and that's the last thank you you'll ever see from me.
tell me, just who the F**K do you think you are, anyway? and who do you think WE are? because i'll tell you right now, we are NOT your little white mice. we are NOT a social experiment for you. we are people who are friends for many years, and i've had just about enough of you being such a condescending little robot who thinks WE are your toys. i stayed away from this part of the board off and on for years just to avoid fighting with YOU, because i didn't want to hurt MY FRIENDS here by doing so. you are NOBODY'S friend here, if you think it's okay to experiment on us. and after having read SO many of your posts, let me diagnose YOU. you are addicted to being a martyr. you are a control freak  who disguises that by" helping" people, when in reality, you are ENABLING them, JUST so you can continue to control them. and pat yourself on the back while you do it. you are also THE most narcissistic person i know, and considering my brother, that is saying something. you use your insecurities to get attention when you don't have someone who "needs" you at the moment. i've never believed you were telling the truth about being insecure, and i never will. sp put that in your pipe and have a toke, evvie.

i screwed up that quote, and i have no idea how to fix it. i'm sure you'll all get my point, though. :cheers:

Aren't laws just codified extensions of a society's code of conduct? As for who gets to set the standards, the people in society do, using the best available method. Overthrowing the old monarch for a new one, electing new representatives, directly voting on new laws, etc. That's why such discussions are important, including, yes, judgments that certain conduct is generally harmful to, or potentially harmful to, enough members in society for said conduct to be restricted, or banned outright. That's where the speeding example came in; it's an easy to understand example which doesn't play off emotions or require definitions of who gets hurt.

Even speed laws change: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law

I agree that an addiction to exercise can harm one's family, as can any addiction. I'm not sure it can harm other people outside one's family, nor do I know if it's common enough to regulate.

I agree that morphine & similar drugs are addictive, mind altering, & dangerous if abused. And they have been. Is making another mind altering substance legal a good idea, even if it is less dangerous? In my opinion no, tho I may make an exception for medical reasons. (Not sure about that yet.)

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Well you admitted you were posting primarily to get a response from people, & that getting said response was a form of entertainment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

You've never been off topic or started a quarrel per se (that I've seen), but the definition contains the word OR, not AND.  I do like you, but you used to not be this way. Post from the heart, not to get another's goat. Discord is stressful, not hilarious. To offend is not a sin, to do so deliberately to cause others grief is.