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Title: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: The Burgomaster on April 05, 2014, 02:58:37 PM
Hugely entertaining.  Looks pretty slick in 3-D.  The theater where I saw it was recently renovated and they now have seats with push-button recline / foot rest functions.  There I was, lying back with my feet up.  Just like home.  Except I wasn't in my underwear and slippers.



Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: The Burgomaster on April 05, 2014, 07:02:04 PM
And there's an inside joke related to Pulp Fiction that made me smile . . . but pay close attention or you'll miss it.



Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: tracy on April 07, 2014, 12:49:21 PM
Next on my list,for sure. :smile:


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: WingedSerpent on April 07, 2014, 08:54:12 PM
Saw it on Saturday and really enjoyed it.  Loved seeing the familiar sites when they filmed a large part of it here in Cleveland. 


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: Scorpio on April 08, 2014, 07:13:12 PM
Definitely a movie I have plans to see as soon as I can get a day off from work.


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 09, 2014, 09:05:56 AM
I liked it. A good time at the movies.

It strikes me that this current crop Marvel movies serve about the same function today as James Bond movies did for past generations. They're action-oriented big budget spectacles set in a (somewhat) consistent good vs. evil universe. They are less adult-oriented than Bond, but the plots are still pretty dense. They're not great art but they're consistently high quality and entertaining; they feel like movie "events."

I am in the minority in saying that I've enjoyed the stories that focus on the individual characters more than the AVENGERS team up.

They really need to make a standalone movie about the Black Widow. She's a more interesting character than any of the other Marvel movie heroes except maybe Tony Stark. And a movie can't have enough Scarlett Johansson in tight black pants for my tastes.


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: Olivia Bauer on April 09, 2014, 12:03:12 PM
Much better than I expected. I'd say it's up there with Avengers.


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: Archivist on April 14, 2014, 02:09:13 AM
Going to see this on Thursday night, before the Easter Weekend shuts down most of the independent cinemas.  Really looking forward to this!


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on April 14, 2014, 04:14:58 PM
And the moneymakers just keep on making more money.

It earned somewhere between $96.5 and $101 million its first weekend. A record for April and beating or equaling the combined opening take of the two previous films combined, which earned something like $99 million between them. And beating back a challenge from "Rio 2," which opened this past weekend, it is the first time in sometime that a film was the #1 grossing film at the boxoffice 2 weeks in a rolw.

And the Walt Disney Company is raking it in with both hands. Not only is Marvel now a division of the Company (the $4 billion price tag now looks like a bargain,) so after costs are extracted, it looks like the film will turn a profit, but the Company is also the distributor of note for most of the world. And the money is in distributing a film not producing a film, which often lose money at the boxoffice, as the distribution fees charged are upfront and off the top, before a profit is made.

And you can expect if not another "Captain America" film, which seems likely with the success of the two previous films, but Marvel thinks it can put out 5 films a year, featuring the various Marvel characters. And there are alot of Marvel characters. The Company had their interns go thru all the Marvel comics to see how many characters there were in the Marvel universe, and when the interns were finished, the number of characters stood at somewhere around 8000.

Thus, we shall see what we shall see.


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: WingedSerpent on April 14, 2014, 05:07:44 PM
And the moneymakers just keep on making more money.

It earned somewhere between $96.5 and $101 million its first weekend. A record for April and beating or equaling the combined opening take of the two previous films combined, which earned something like $99 million between them. And beating back a challenge from "Rio 2," which opened this past weekend, it is the first time in sometime that a film was the #1 grossing film at the boxoffice 2 weeks in a rolw.

And the Walt Disney Company is raking it in with both hands. Not only is Marvel now a division of the Company (the $4 billion price tag now looks like a bargain,) so after costs are extracted, it looks like the film will turn a profit, but the Company is also the distributor of note for most of the world. And the money is in distributing a film not producing a film, which often lose money at the boxoffice, as the distribution fees charged are upfront and off the top, before a profit is made.

And you can expect if not another "Captain America" film, which seems likely with the success of the two previous films, but Marvel thinks it can put out 5 films a year, featuring the various Marvel characters. And there are alot of Marvel characters. The Company had their interns go thru all the Marvel comics to see how many characters there were in the Marvel universe, and when the interns were finished, the number of characters stood at somewhere around 8000.

Thus, we shall see what we shall see.

OK,....but did you like the film?


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on April 14, 2014, 06:22:01 PM
I haven't s
And the moneymakers just keep on making more money.

It earned somewhere between $96.5 and $101 million its first weekend. A record for April and beating or equaling the combined opening take of the two previous films combined, which earned something like $99 million between them. And beating back a challenge from "Rio 2," which opened this past weekend, it is the first time in sometime that a film was the #1 grossing film at the boxoffice 2 weeks in a rolw.

And the Walt Disney Company is raking it in with both hands. Not only is Marvel now a division of the Company (the $4 billion price tag now looks like a bargain,) so after costs are extracted, it looks like the film will turn a profit, but the Company is also the distributor of note for most of the world. And the money is in distributing a film not producing a film, which often lose money at the boxoffice, as the distribution fees charged are upfront and off the top, before a profit is made.

And you can expect if not another "Captain America" film, which seems likely with the success of the two previous films, but Marvel thinks it can put out 5 films a year, featuring the various Marvel characters. And there are alot of Marvel characters. The Company had their interns go thru all the Marvel comics to see how many characters there were in the Marvel universe, and when the interns were finished, the number of characters stood at somewhere around 8000.

Thus, we shall see what we shall see.

OK,....but did you like the film?

I haven't seen the film, nor do I have any interest in seeing it, as I normally, as in this case, refuse to watch sequels and remakes. Besides my interest lies not in films themselves, but in the financial and business aspects of films. Thus, here are some more monetary statistics.

A decline at the boxoffice of 56% from the 1st weekend, still the film managed to earn $41.4 million at the boxoffice. For a total boxoffice to date of $159 million. That is just the domestic gross. Internationally, the film has earned $312.7 million internationally and is on track to be one of those sequels which earns more money at the boxoffice than the original. None of which is going to come from me, but I think we as Americans have to get use to the idea that with the international boxoffice becoming more important for the success of the film, American filmmakers are going to gear films more and more for the international audience.

#2 at the boxoffice was the sequel "Rio 2," again which I have no interest in seeing, but it earned a more than respectable $39 million at the boxoffice, especially as the original earned $39.2 million its opening weekend. And again, the international boxoffice gross for the original was higher than the domestic boxoffic gross.

And after several years of decline, last year was a good year for films at the boxoffice, and this year at the boxoffice is on track to be even better than last year. Which is all to the good for the American economy, as American films is one of the few American products, where the U.S. makes more in exports than it makes in imports.

More on the business and monetary side of films as it becomes available.


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: indianasmith on April 14, 2014, 09:55:56 PM
If that is the aspect of film that interests you, cool beans.
For me, only one question matters with a movie.
Did it entertain me?

If the answer is "yes", I don't care if it's a DTV piece of shlock from the Asylum or the blockbuster film of the year.
If I am entertained by it, it gets my money.


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: MrMari on April 15, 2014, 03:22:23 PM
Saw this over the weekend. Was very entertained. I think overall they are doing a good job with these movies. I thought this was 100 times better than Thor The Dark World. I didn't catch the Pulp Fiction reference though.


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: Zapranoth on April 18, 2014, 08:30:10 PM
Mr Mari.  If you see it again, pay close attention to Fury's tombstone.


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: Archivist on April 19, 2014, 01:02:15 AM
Saw this on Thursday as planned, and enjoyed it greatly.  It's far better than the first Captain America movie, and as a movie itself easily compares with others like Iron Man and The Avengers.  And better than Thor: The Dark World, as mentioned above.  The action scenes are excellent, and the fight scenes are very well choreographed and directed.  Lots of CapAm action including much brutal throwing of the shield, something I've been hoping he would do for ages.

For those who are yet to watch this in the cinema, be aware that there are TWO scenes in the credits.  One immediately follows the movie, before the credits roll, and another is at the end, after the credits.  People were walking out and missing them, but stick around and watch.

Something I am truly enjoying is how all of Marvel Cinematic Universe movies are tying in together and becoming a real series.  It's like reading a series of novels that focus on different characters at any given time in an overarching story.  The sense of continuity is wonderful and it creates a sense of great anticipation of the next installment.

And one more thing: with the growing number of characters in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and many of the big name actors converging into one film, how big are future budgets going to be???


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: MrMari on April 19, 2014, 01:36:54 AM
Mr Mari.  If you see it again, pay close attention to Fury's tombstone.


I got it now thanks. Had to look it up.  Found some other tidbits about the movie here: 

SPOILER ALERT. DO NOT CLICK BELOW IF YOU HAVENT SEEN THE MOVIE

http://www.fatmovieguy.com/captain-america-the-winter-soldier-easter-eggs-secrets-and-trivia/ (http://www.fatmovieguy.com/captain-america-the-winter-soldier-easter-eggs-secrets-and-trivia/)


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: Chainsawmidget on April 29, 2014, 01:22:33 PM
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Besides my interest lies not in films themselves, but in the financial and business aspects of films.
I suppose everybody needs a hobby.


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: alandhopewell on May 05, 2014, 02:04:45 PM
Saw it on Saturday and really enjoyed it.  Loved seeing the familiar sites when they filmed a large part of it here in Cleveland. 


     I'm from Lorain originally, and lived in Cleveland for a while....I got a big kick out of the Cleveland shots in AVENGERS,  and am looking forward to CA:TWS.

(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z77/alandhopewell/imagesCAZ8G3A3_zpsbdd9ee20.jpg)


Title: Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER (2014)
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on May 10, 2014, 02:53:58 PM
If that is the aspect of film that interests you, cool beans.
For me, only one question matters with a movie.
Did it entertain me?

If the answer is "yes", I don't care if it's a DTV piece of shlock from the Asylum or the blockbuster film of the year.
If I am entertained by it, it gets my money.

Actually, Indy and I are not that far apart, as "like" forms part of my like, too, but . . . (and we'll ge to that later) "like" is not the chief determinate of whether a film is made. It's "BOXOFFICE!"

Only when "that" person decides that a film has a chance to earn a respectable profit at the boxoffice will a film be made. Only when he or she, and there are more and more shes, decide that there is enough demand to earn a respectable profit will a film be remade. Only when the last film did well enough, and there is enough demand for another film will a sequel be made.

Not whether I like the film nor Indy likes the film nor anyone of us likes the film, and with the cost of a film today, not even if all of us on this board like a film, will a film be made, unless what we pay for a ticket, a rental, or a purcchase, or however we see a film, increases expontentially, will a film be made. "Boxoffice" trumps "like."

Sequels
I am not totally opposed to all sequels, just most seuqels. Though, I'd like to see and be interested in seeing a sequel to . . .

"Dog Soldiers" called "Dog Soldiers : Fresh Meat."
"Lair of the White Worm" called "Return of the White Worm"
and "Hansel and Gretel : Witch Hunters."

A remake of John Christopher's "White Mountains."

A film made from the series . . .

"Shannara"
"Dragonlance"
"Artemis Fowl"

And if they were still all alive, a film from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's "The White Company" w/ John "The Duke" Wayne, Lord Laurence Olivier, Sir Alec Guinness and directed by John Ford.

But . . . ? (Here we go.)

That is not likely to happen. Not because everyone is dead, who'd be in it, but (there's that word again) because the fastest way a filmmaker can go bankrupt is to take my "like" into consideration without taking into consideration "the like" of everyone else. And I accept and understand that.

And yet . . . ? and yet . . . ?

It was more likely to happen yesterday than today, because while my "like" has not changed in almost 60 years, the "like" of the general movie going public has changed.

And for a long time, I just accepted that, then I realized that I could not only accept that, but (there's that word again) I could also try to understand that, which is why I went past "like" to the financial and psychological and etc. that made up the components of filmmaking and "boxoffice." And I find them both fascinating and interesting.

And it is not only films . . .

If anyone has been involved in any type of entertainment, as I have, one knows that what goes on behind the scenes, the curtain, the camera, etc. can be as fascinating and interesting as what goes on in front of the scenes, the curtain, the camera, etc. For example . . .

Ballet
Why does a boy take ballet?
What happend to the group/the individual dynamic, when two or more boys take ballet in the same class?
Why don't more boys take ballet, when it is one of the most muscular activities a boy can do?

Which is why boys and girls don't compete against each other, except when partnering, as boys being more muscular than girls, at that age, would win more than their fair share of competitions.

Broadway
Last month was the Actors' Fund, which is basically a welfare organization for people who work in the theater in New York City, and has been in existance for over 132 years, biggest event: The Gala.

They like to put on something that people might be interested in attending, so this year's gala theme was "20 Years of Disney on Broadway."

Who'd that thought that someone would like to see excerpts from . . .

Newsies -- Mary Poppins -- The Little Mermaid -- The Lion King -- Beauty and the Beast -- Aida -- and the latest one "Aladdin."

Apparently, someone did, as while the $100 tickets were still $100 at the end of the day, the $200 tickets were $250, and the $20 tickets were $50.

Twenty years ago, Disney Theatrical Productions brought something called "Beauty and the Beast" to Broadway and nothing has been the same since.

Not Broadway
There are a number of reasons for Broadway's revival, but when people saw you could put $2 or $3 million into a Broadway play and get your money back. People began reinvesting in Broadway.

Not the Walt Disney Company.
Besides those plays already names watch for a possible . . .

Alice in Wonderland: the Musical -- Father of the Bride: the Musical -- Freaky Friday: the Musical -- Frozen: the Musical -- The Jungle Book: the Musical -- and The Muppets: the Musical.

And not even the movies.
As producers caught on to the fact that people who had seen a film would then pay to see a stage adaptation of the same film on the stage. So, recently, we have had . . .

Spiderman -- Rocky -- Matilda -- Hedwig and the Angry Inch -- Heathers -- and Bullets Over Broadway.

The Gala also raised a number of what I thought were interesting and fascinating questions. To whit . . .

Who was there? How many kids?
As Broadway has finally got smart enought to realize, that if they put on something that kids' might want to see, such as "Matilda." Something that'll put the kids' seats into the seats, then maybe the kids will continue to come back as adults.

How much did it make" How many will the midtown Manhattan Marriott hold?
Even if they restrict the number of tickets to the after gala to the number of people who saw the show in the theater, that is 1800 or 1800 x $1500 per ticket for the after gala. That is $2.700,000 + the show tickets or around $250,000 or $2,950,000 in one night.

Taxes?
You can bet that most of those involved, who bought tickets, will write off the cost of the ticket from this year's tax bill. Which means it has to be made up someplace, and some of that someplace is out of your pocket. But, I can hardly begrudge them, since I, or more accurately, my tax preparer, makes heavy use of my charitable tax deduction each year.

How one hand washes the other?
The Walt Disney Company by donating the cast memebers and the 111 year old New Amsterdam Theater, which had been closed for a decade, when the Company bought it and rehabbed it for $8 to $10 million, they not only advertise their product, but (there's that word again) they generate goodwill for the company, which they can bank and then use later. And it probably writes off its donation from its tax bill.

No, "like" will always be part of my like, but (there's that word again) there's so much more out there, then just "like," that is fascinating and interesting, and which I hope I can continue to share with you all.