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All the current news about Bill Cosby is incredibly depressing to me. The man was the voice of my childhood; I grew up listening to records of him telling funny stories about Go-Kart races and Fat Albert's Hernia and The Chicken Heart That Ate New York City and dozens of others until I could re-tell them from memory. The stand up routine entitled "Bill Cosby Himself" is, to this day, the funniest thing I have ever watched - and it's clean enough to share with your kids. But now all these rape allegations - I'll be honest, I DON'T want to believe them. At all. But where there is that much smoke, I guess it is likely that there is fire of some sort. Betrayed doesn't even begin to describe how I feel about it.

Yeah, I had heard the allegations long before this recent news.  I grew up on the "Chicken Heart" routine and Fat Albert and Picture Pages, not to mention his Electric Company appearances..
The Electric Company: The Director and the Musketeer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jTcJaMx_70#)
I love how Morgan Freeman cracks up and they keep it!

There are a lot of allegations. It does make me wonder if maybe it's true. I hope not.

But I'm a man that respects the law so as long as he's not convicted I will treat him as if he is innocent, until he is proven guilty.

There are so many screwballs out there these days, until proven otherwise I'll just assume it's people looking for 15 minutes of fame, a book deal, and and out-of-court settlement.  And this stuff supposedly took place 30 years ago, so it's nothing but he said she said;  I can't imagine how it would ever be "proven" one way or another.

Thing is-he aint denying it-it just says its the past-he wont talk about it. He's guilty. Innocent people call you a liar-he aint...he paid them off to shut up. f**k him.

That may be true.  Or it may be that he does not want to dignify the charges with a response.
That being said, he sure looks guilty. :bluesad:

That crumbling sound you hear is a part of my childhood dying.

(http://1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/94/22/4abb67d58a54ba24c7f6a43d5999b98d.jpg)

"Where is my Mortimer Ichabod marker?"

In Seinfeld's "Comedian" doc. there's a scene where he's talking to Chris Rock and Rock is telling him about seeing Bill Cosby and hearing entirely new routines. Seinfeld, even today, repeats the same material at all his shows. In the end he talks to Cosby who gives him advice. It's basically the entire point of the movie, that there's always someone better than you and to learn from them

Until he admits to the accusations, or until the truth of them is proven in court, Bill Cosby has the right to be presumed innocent, as I personally suspect he more or less is. Some of these accusations seem easily discredited and the people bringing them against him are not themselves trustworthy. Let his accusers present their cases in a forum where their testimony can be examined and rebutted instead of the open mic character assassination going on against Cosby right now in the media.

     Me, I think it was started by folks who were p**sed at him for basically telling people to pull up their pants, learn to speak Standard English, and stop whining; the ones who followed are just looking for a ride on the Gravy Train.  It's the same sort who're wrecking that town in  Missouri.

That's crazy. 15 different women with similar stories are all making it up?

You always my man. 

Yes, disappointing, but sadly I believe these allegations.  I don't think this is about money or a book deal.  I think the illusion fell like a house of cards.  I think these are all true but only he has to live with it.  :bluesad:

I'm a Cosby fan, have been for a long time. I grew up listening to my parents' vintage stand up LPs ("Revenge," "Why Is There Air?", "Wonderfulness," etc.) and I can quote his "Bill Cosby: Himself" concert film practically chapter and verse.

However, it certainly doesn't look good for him. I read in the paper earlier this week that the first woman to accuse him of this behavior was basically paid to go away, which is never the mark of an innocent man.

I have to say, though, that his recent social-media fiasco was kind of hilarious in an awful way. Just as this Cosby-as-rapist story started getting traction, some genius on his staff decided it was the perfect time to have a "Make Your Own Cosby Meme!" contest... so of course his official Twitter was flooded with pix making rape jokes. Duhhhh!!!

Man-it aint even close-a cop shot an unarmed man-Bill is a rapist. Thats pulling a race card in reverse. Thats like saying OJ was innocent.
Black,white,brown,f**king purple-evil is evil. I gotta pretty acurate bulls**t meter-its going off like a five alarm fire. :bluesad:

Hmmm.   :question: That's quite a segway you make there.  It seems at least a few of the COSBY accusers could be described as "white".  I think your remarks are as suspect as those you condemn. 

What he said.

     AHD- I guess I'm just sick of all of it; mayhap I spoke wrongly.

It's okay, I just don't see a corollary.   I'm sick of it, too. 

Obviously I have no idea what the truth is in the Bill Cosby situation, if he's a sexual predator he should be exposed for what he is, if he isn't then I hope he can be vindicated, but you ever notice that so often when a prominent black man says things that rub the black community the wrong way (Herman Cain, Bill Cosby) suddenly all these accusations of sexual misconduct seem to appear and smear his reputation to the point that it overshadows his message? Makes you wonder about the future of Ben Carson.

For the first time today, I heard one of Cosby's accusers tell her story first hand.  It was chilling.
She seemed completely credible.

The thing is-there a perverts in all walks of life-most sickos-like Ted Bundy-for example-seemed like  perfectly normal  folks. They become very good at what they do...thats why they're called predators.

I always figured Bill Cosby would be one person important to my childhood who would remain untarnished.  Just goes to show, look elsewhere than TV for your heroes.

I guess I should tear down my Kirk Cameron shrine, too! :bluesad:

You should have done that long ago.

Kirk Cameron? Wow. I mean, I can understand that he was basically regurgitating dogma that he felt was his right to, which it is. To think you can do that in the current PC-mania climate that has swept over this country like a plague and NOT get shot down is pretty stupid.

And he's not even a very good actor.

Oh, wait. You were being sarcastic, right, Indy? Please say yes.  :buggedout:

:bouncegiggle:

No, my only shrine is to Anne Hathaway . . .   I admire Kirk Cameron for trying to make some good Christian entertainment, I just wish he was better at it . . . I've heard SAVING CHRISTMAS is just downright awful.  I did enjoy FIREPROOF, though.

Ah, yes, Anne Hathaway. Very, very tasty choice.

I'm considering constructing one for Jennifer Lawrence. She just gets cooler and sexier every time I see her or read something about her. Not gonna feed HER to Cthulhu.

Okay, back to discussing the pros and cons of Bill Cosby being naughty.

Looks like the war is on, folks

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/bill-cosby-fires-back-sexual-abuse-lawsuit/story?id=27369340 (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/bill-cosby-fires-back-sexual-abuse-lawsuit/story?id=27369340)

After weeks of sexual assault allegations from a parade of women, Bill Cosby is fighting back.

The 77-year-old comedian filed a lawsuit today against Judy Huth, who claims Cosby forced her to perform a sex act in 1974 at the Playboy Mansion, when she was 15.

In documents obtained by ABC News, Cosby alleges that not only is Huth lying but that she filed the lawsuit after failing to extort money from him. Cosby is asking a judge to dismiss the lawsuit and is seeking monetary damages from Huth and her attorney.

In his filing today, Cosby says Huth's lawyer approached the comedian's attorney, Marty Singer, last month and made "ominous references" to 'criminal penalties.'" According to the lawsuit, Huth's lawyer demanded $100,000 for her silence, and later increased the amount to $250,000 as additional women came forward.

"Through her lawyer, Plaintiff made extortionate claims to Mr. Cosby (through his counsel) about criminal penalties, coupled with ever-increasing demands for a six-figure payday to keep quiet about her long-since-expired claims," the documents state.

The suit claims that after Cosby's attorney rejected Huth's claims and accused her of extortion, her attorney filed a lawsuit two days ago against the comedian.

Cosby also alleges that Huth tried to sell her story to tabloids 10 years ago, but is now claiming that she repressed the memory of what happened until recently in order to file her civil lawsuit.

The documents claim that Huth's story falls apart when she alleges that she and the comedian "engaged in a drinking game" in which they "both consumed three beers." Singer states in the suit, "It is a well-known, and easily verifiable, that Mr. Cosby is a life-long non-drinker."

Huth's attorney did not immediately respond to ABC News' requests for comment about today's filing.

Singer also did not return requests for comment today, but in a statement last month, he called the recent allegations against Cosby "unsubstantiated, fantastical stories."

The suit comes a day after Cosby broke his silence on Twitter to thank two of his supporters.

I don't know what to think on this still - the charges span decades, come from a variety of sources, and all allege a similar pattern of behavior.
One or two gold diggers I could see - but fifteen?  Even if one or two of them are bogus claims, I don't see how ALL of them could be.

Never underestimate the cult of money-grubbing.

But, yeah, I have to wonder as well. Lost Robin Williams to suicide and now this? There isn't ANYTHING worth believing in anymore.

I didn't really buy him as a firefighter though. maybe a lesbian firefighter, he's not rugged looking at all

This bugged me for awhile: "naughty"?   :bluesad:   :thumbdown:

It makes me sad, because if you're a huge comedy nerd like I am, Cosby is incredible. He is a comedy legend.

That being said, if the allegations are true, and they seem very true, f**k that guy.  His legacy deserves to be f**ked. a***ole.

I don't know what to think about this. Sadly, even if every woman's claim was proven to be completely fabricated, and all the evidence was shown to the public that completely exonerated Cosby, people would still treat him as if he were guilty. Public cases like this are never erased, and the accused are never looked at in the same way again. Look at the Fatty Arbuckle case. Look at anyone ever accused of any sexual crime.

If Cosby is indeed guilty, he should of course pay for his crimes. If he is not, any semblance of a normal life is over for him.

Wow.  
BILL COSBY is a RAPIST.  Now BEVERLY JOHNSON has come forward.  Wow.  He is a predator.  

Bill Cosby Drugged Me. This Is My Story.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2014/12/bill-cosby-beverly-johnson-story (http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2014/12/bill-cosby-beverly-johnson-story)

Until it is proven he IS a rapist, the least that can be said is that he was most likely promiscuous. If it is proven, would it make you happy if I changed that to "a filthy rat-bastard rapist"?

I can understand what Hallows is saying-rape is not "naughty'.Rape is EVIL. If he was accused of murder-would you use the term "naughty"?
"Naughty" is what a little kid does when he sneaks cookies out of the jar. "Naughty" is not how you describe rape-whether he is guilty or not-rape is not "naughty."

I understand what he's saying as well. But I don't believe in calling a person something he hasn't been proven to be.

If I had said, "Rape is naughty" then I could understand this spinoff. I did not say that.

Fine. I'm an awful person for not vilifying a person BEFORE they are convicted of something I do not know if they did or did not do. Sorry I did not pass moral judgement on a media event that I have no direct connection to or have any personal stake in.

And I'm done here. So long, and thanks for all the fish.

Your welcome.I got horsy sauce-if ya want.
Im sorry you quit over dumb s**t like this.
Dont be a p***y when someone calls you out.  :lookingup:

That is not what you suggested.  You wrote "... the pros and cons of Bill Cosby being naughty."   Was he being "naughty"?  Is there a "pro" to this supposed "naughty" behavior?  I don't think rape is equatable with "naughty".  
This is a bit more of what you wrote:

Whether it's true or not, proven or not, there is nothing "pro" or simply "naughty" about rape.  

 
It has not been suggested that you should label HIM anything, and you are right to the extent that we are all innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.  The court of public opinion may perhaps feel differently.  

Now this is a supreme example of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face and passive/aggressive behavior:  


I consider you a friend, but you took this way too far and have now characterized all three of our remarks dishonestly.  You've turned this into something it never was.  It was never personal.  I am sorry to see you are now a guest.  

And I think this is what some people might call "playing the race card": 

Bill Cosby Breaks Silence: I Only Expect Black Media to Remain ‘Neutral’ Amid Rape Allegations 

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/bill-cosby-breaks-silence-black-media-stay-neutral-073643824.html (https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/bill-cosby-breaks-silence-black-media-stay-neutral-073643824.html) 

As sexual assault allegations mount against him, Bill Cosby broke his silence to make a statement on the media coverage of the accusations.

“Let me say this. I only expect the black media to uphold the standards of excellence in journalism and when you do that you have to go in with a neutral mind,” Cosby told a New York Post writer, who also writes for black media outlets, in a short phone conversation from his Massachusetts home...

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/bill-cosby-breaks-silence-black-media-stay-neutral-073643824.html (https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/bill-cosby-breaks-silence-black-media-stay-neutral-073643824.html) 

His remarks are a good diversion from the real issue, but in the end I believe he knows exactly what he's doing.  He's turning these allegations into an issue of his race.  The big bad "non black media" have attacked him, apparently, and these many women (it's over 20 allegations now) are a laundry list of lies?  I don't believe that. 

He is NOT helping himself.  Every time he opens his mouth he makes things worse for himself.

New Cosby Accuser Says She Blacked Out for 2 Days After Comedian Drugged Her 

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/cosby-accuser-says-she-blacked-2-days-comedian-025336107.html (https://tv.yahoo.com/news/cosby-accuser-says-she-blacked-2-days-comedian-025336107.html) 

...“I noticed myself getting a little dizzy,” she said. “Bill had sat down on the edge of the couch. He said, ‘Come over here and have a seat.’ And he had his legs open and when I sat down, I was sitting down in between his legs with my back to his crotch. And he started to stroke my hair back in a petting motion like this. The last thing I remember is just feeling the strokes on my head. After that, I don’t remember anything else...”


It's up to 24 accusers now...   :bluesad:  This story gets worse and worse; it's stomach turning. 

I've seen Cosby speak several times on how blacks should not use their race as an excuse or justification.  Now here he is doing it.  Very sad, very disillusioning.

It just keeps getting worse . . .  :bluesad:

The real problem is that 'old' allegations are pretty much impossible to prove with physical evidence.

I am not saying any of these ladies are lying and I am not propping up BC.  But, I will say it does not matter to me much how many "pile on," as that in and of itself does not mean a single one of them (or the group collectively) are telling the truth.

I've spent a good of time in court on rape cases.  They are hard enough to prove in the best of circumstances with solid physical evidence.  A case like this will never see a conviction, or at least that's my read.

But, I do renew my caution of the "court of public opinion."  The fact remains that Cosby has now been convicted in the cultural court, and regardless of his guilt or innocence, his life is forever altered in a negative way.

This p**ses me right off because we have codified protections in place to prevent this crap from happening, yet they are ignored. Due process is a very, very important thing, and I suggest you all be very careful how much of that you are willing to give away on the alter of "pop news."

I've looked rapists and murderers and armed robbers in the eye.  And, I've testified against them.  And, I believe they should be punished for their crimes and their crimes are no joking matter.  But, at the same time, I've also been vocally adamant that they deserve their day in court according to the freaking rules.  That is, rules of evidence and rules regarding Right to Cross Examination.

People's lives, including those accused of heinous, violent crimes, are not "entertainment."  This stuff is not a game.

Regarding that glee that is felt when a story like this breaks?  I suggest you guys check out the STARSUCKERS (2009) documentary.  It's available online:

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/starsuckers/ (http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/starsuckers/)

It is an interesting insight into how and why stories like this are manufactured and used to manipulate.  No vetting, no sourcing, nothing in many, many cases.

Short Version: Gossip is its own evil, no matter what the subject of the gossip did or did not do.

I agree Ulthar, to the extent that we are all innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.  I also agree that any conviction is unlikely.
It is well observed that there is no "entertainment" in these stories.  They are terribly disturbing and not "Pop news" to most of us who've commented here.  I think there are many reasons a woman would choose to not tell her story, but later decide with hindsight that she needed to.   I think at least a few of these women's stories are credible. 

Bill Cosby says career is 'far from finished' 

http://news.yahoo.com/bill-cosby-says-career-far-finished-223257089.html (http://news.yahoo.com/bill-cosby-says-career-far-finished-223257089.html)

Los Angeles (AFP) - A defiant Bill Cosby hit back Wednesday at sex allegations swirling against him, declaring: "I'm far from finished."

The embattled 77-year-old actor-comedian, a household name in the United States and beyond, has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing in the face of accusations dating back decades by some 30 women.

He has not been charged with any offenses but his glittering career has taken a huge hit.

Cosby went on the front foot Wednesday, releasing a statement reading: "Dear Fans: For 53 years you have given me your love, support, respect and trust. Thank you! I can't wait to see your smiling faces and warm your hearts with a wonderful gift -- LAUGHTER. I'm ready!

"I thank you, the theatre staff (Heymann Performing Arts Center), the event organizers and the Lafayette Community for your continued support and coming to experience family, fun entertainment. Hey, Hey, Hey -- I'm far from finished. Sincerely, Bill Cosby." ...

http://news.yahoo.com/bill-cosby-says-career-far-finished-223257089.html (http://news.yahoo.com/bill-cosby-says-career-far-finished-223257089.html)

The dude has chutzpah, I'll give him that.
But I find myself unable to believe a word he says anymore.

One of the really good films he was in - Robert Culp's Hickey and Boggs - was showing on AMC the other night and I couldn't bring myself to watch the thing.

Everything That's Wrong With Bill Cosby's Video Message to Fans

http://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/everything-that-s-wrong-with-bill-cosby-s-message-to-fans-000652286.html (http://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/everything-that-s-wrong-with-bill-cosby-s-message-to-fans-000652286.html)

It is worth noting here these allegations have been around for decades, it's not like much of this is really new.  Previously, it had virtually no effect on his career or lifestyle.  Several comedians say he's always been skeezy though, basically an open secret.  Big difference now is just the amount of attention.  Cultural circumstances, basically, are just different now. 

You certainly have a valid point about public opinion and where it comes from, but that's just how it is with celebs.  Perception is reality.  Think of Michael Jackson, which is a murky scenario to be sure.

‘Cosby Show’ Actress Accuses Bill Cosby of Sexual Assault 
The sexual assault scandal surrounding embattled comedian Bill Cosby further widened on Friday, as two more women — including an actress who had appeared on “The Cosby Show” — came forward with new accusations against him.

In a press conference with attorney Gloria Allred in New York, Lili Bernard and Sammie Mays shared their allegations against Cosby. Lili, who appeared in an episode of the final season of “The Cosby Show,” claimed that she was drugged, raped and threatened by Cosby while he was mentoring her in preparation for her appearance as “the zany and very pregnant Mrs. Minifield.”

According to Bernard, Cosby was initially comforting and welcoming to her, complimenting her on her various skills...

http://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/cosby-show-actress-accuses-bill-cosby-sexual-assault-191123143.html
 (http://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/cosby-show-actress-accuses-bill-cosby-sexual-assault-191123143.html)

Exclusive: Bill Cosby Breaks Silence About Sexual Assault Allegations

http://gma.yahoo.com/exclusive-bill-cosby-breaks-silence-sexual-assault-allegations-143309487--abc-news-celebrities.html  (http://gma.yahoo.com/exclusive-bill-cosby-breaks-silence-sexual-assault-allegations-143309487--abc-news-celebrities.html) 



Uhm, What the... did he say?  This is "breaks silence"...?  :question:  ...And then spouts gobbledygook? 

honestly i don't think he did any of this, yes he did cheat on his wife for years he's publicy stated that and so has she. so if he's doing that why would he be raping anyone? i always get a kick out of how certain women go after someone famous for 15 minutes of fame and other women also follow. i have no idea if he did any of this to be honest,

if he do it, i'm still going to listen to his albums, watch his tv shows and film etc.. cause he's a favorite comedian/actor/writer of mine. Phil Spector killed his wife or had her killed rather but i still call him a musical genius who just later in life become a stinking idiot by doing one of the stupidest things you can do. why not divorce her?

sorry about going off topic a bit folks. my point is i don't pay much attention to how bad a person is if i like their music/movies, books etc.. Michael Jackson was a very talented Guy and he's way over-rated i think. but he made a lot of great music through the years, however i do think he was a pedophile. if others disagree with me on that, i'm ok with that

i'm still going to listen to his music though regardless what i think of him as a person. the same goes for bill cosby.

with the dude from 7th Heaven Stephen Collins i had to think of his name for a minute. i admit i didn't think he did it either. but than he did flat out admit it and i give him credit for that. some of the claims were stuff he did during the show's production and he i believe denied those but in the ones from the 70's for example

he admitted those and he even apologized to he said 1 or 2 of the women later in life. if he was going to admit to those if he did it, i think he would have admitted to the stuff he did later as well.

anyways going a bit off topic again sorry, my point is until bill cosby comes out and says in court prolly or maybe not?

that he did all this than for the time being i don't believe it. but that's just me, oh and sorry for the rambling and my bad spelling too lol

PHIL SPECTOR killed LANA CLARKSON, who was NOT his wife. 

i couldn't remember if they were married or not. i think he hired a hitman or something, i don't really remember the details anymore. only that i love his music that he put out in the 50's and 60's. that's the era of music i'm talking about. i have heard of that actress after all she appeared in about a dozen or more Roger Corman movies in like the 80's and 90's i believe.

There was no "hitman".  They met the night he killed her. 

it's been a long time and i stopped caring about it after he was caught and thrown into jail.

"...caught and thrown in jail."?  PHIL SPECTOR was tried twice; it was apparent from the first night that he was responsible. 

oh i know he's guilty but that doesn't mean i'm going to stop loving his music. there was a time where he was did some really great music. and it's a shame that time is passed. even if he does get out of jail before he passed away at some point his time has passed in producing some great tunes for us.

Cosby said he got drugs to give women for sex 
http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-cosby-said-got-drugs-women-sex-212247466.html]
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Can we just lock him away and be done with it?

I feel so betrayed right now.

I loved this man's work.  LOVED IT!  Memorized his silly stories to share with my friends when I was in third grade.  THIRD GRADE!

And now this?

I'm just flat p**sed! :hatred:

I feel for you Indiana. We had a rash of childrens entertainers from the 70's and 80's being imprisoned for child abuse over the past few years in the UK. Its pretty gut wrenching.

I'm disappointed. 
One must be that person, whoever one purports to be, all the time, 24 hours a day.  Though I can't claim to ever having been a fan of cosby, I can admit I was an admirer. 
We all need someone to believe in. 

guilty or not i'm just going to watch his stuff and listen to his albums. if he's guilty he should go to jail. my only question is this, he's almost 80 years old now, why in the world did it take so long and have this come out NOW at his current age? you'd think it would have come out years ago or is it just me?

in short i can separate the man and his comedy. i wonder if any of this happend after Ennis was killed? i don't even remember what year that was but it makes you wonder..

Well, there were a number of accusations against him around 10 years ago.  Just things snowballed again this year because of a pretty public mention from a comedian.

honestly i don't remember that, but don't worry i do believe you. i don't watch the news ya see. also i get tired of hearing about celebs to be honest in the news. so most of it i just try and stay away from. i do think if he is guilty he should be in Jail though. but like many people on here i grew up with his movies, tv shows, and albums and i'm not going to stop listening to those like is aid. it's just a shame all this has happend to him. it shouldn't matter if he's a comedian or not

he should be in jail if he did it.

having said that i just got done watching a show i dvr'd like back in March called Vanity Fair Confidential and this episode was about Phil Spector. and i'll be honest i was on the fence for years on weather he did it or not. originally i didn't think he had done it but than i do love the guy because he's made some fantastic music.

but having said that the more i learned i became more convinced he did it but still was on the fence a little bit. after watching that episode i do think he did it.
i didn't watch the trial when it was on tv. nor do i watch any trials on tv they just simply bore me to death. apparently he was Bio-piolor which sorry for spelling that wrong. which doesn't mean all people who are go and kill people, they don't. but he was apparently VERY drunk that nite and he was a mean drunk who had a history of threatening people with Guns. they interviewed one of his adopted sons a guy named Gary. and he wasn't surprised it happend at all, apparently nobody was surprised. just the public apparently. and if you haven't seen that episode check it out.

Bill Cosby, in Deposition, Said Drugs and Fame Helped Him Seduce Women   

He was not above seducing a young model by showing interest in her father’s cancer. He promised other women his mentorship and career advice before pushing them for sex acts. And he tried to use financial sleight of hand to keep his wife from finding out about his serial philandering.

Bill Cosby admitted to all of this and more over four days of intense questioning 10 years ago at a Philadelphia hotel, where he defended himself in a deposition for a lawsuit filed by a young woman who accused him of drugging and molesting her... 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/arts/bill-cosby-deposition-reveals-calculated-pursuit-of-young-women-using-fame-drugs-and-deceit.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/arts/bill-cosby-deposition-reveals-calculated-pursuit-of-young-women-using-fame-drugs-and-deceit.html?_r=0)

not to make excuses for Bill Cosby but lets remember Woody Allen is today still married to what is essentially his own daughter and still making movies. Why did these two towering giants of comedy decided to procure sex in ways that are so far outside of what is deemed acceptable by society?

Woody Allen didn't drug her and rape her while she was unconscious and helpless.
He's still creepy, but Cosby, it turns out, was far worse.

i'm sorry but i can't stand Woody Allen i have seen only films of his i liked and that were Scenes from a mall & Curse of the jade Scorpion and no i haven't seen Annie Hall yet. but the few i have seen were utter garbage minus the 2 i mentioned. though that one he did what 10 or 11 episodes his 1st one he filmed in Paris was an ok film. anyways back to Bill Cosby, if he goes to jail yeah i'll be sad about it but if he's guilty and did it he should go to jail.

i'll be sad only cause i grew up watching him on tv and listening to his comedy albums. in fact i was listening to his last album just recently that just came out as recent as (2013)!  i bought it when it came out actually. i don't remember if he was being accused at the time or not.

either way i was still laughing at one of the tracks called Not Rich i think it's called?

It's definitely bizarre, uncomfortable, and even creepy, but they didn't have a real father-daughter relationship when he was with Mia Farrow, she was of age when they started dating, and they've now been married for coming up on 20 years.  Have to agree it's not even in the same ballpark as, say, RAPING FIFTY PEOPLE.

legally and morally Cosby is the worse offender but both of them were morally wrong. The Allen's actions were legal and lesser in scale is beside the point

If you were married to a woman who had adopted children who you knew and had a relationship of some kind with would you date one of them?

Jim H- Mia Farrow might disagree. As I recall she had a lot to say on the issue and it wasn't pretty.

Both men were married to women their own age it's not like they are socially inept to the point where they had to do this stuff.

Yeah, and I'd also say Winona Ryder's actions were morally wrong when she shoplifted, just even lesser in scale.  If I mentioned that and how Hollywood types go outside the law to get what they want even when they have the means, I suspect you'd find this to be an unhelpful comparison though.  That'd be the same school of logic as comparing Allen and Cosby.

having sex with what was essentially his step daughter is well into taboo territory and society has responded by ostacizing him to large extent, personally if not professionally.



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I feel like you're arguing against something I didn't actually say (that what Allen did wasn't both wrong and taboo), so I'll just leave it at this:

Shoplifting is wrong.  Being involved with someone barely old enough to consent while you are far older than them and may have had some degree of parenting with previously is very wrong. 

Raping dozens of women over decades is so much worse that it should not be compared to it, and doing so trivializes rape.

why is Winona Ryder being brought into this? shoplifting is nothing compared to the stuff that both Allen & Cosby both pulled they were both wrong.

shoplifting isn't even in the same universe as that.

Jim - I guess I see Allen's crime as ongoing, to an extent. at the same time, it wasn't illegal and I suppose that says something.

both men are Disgusting in the things they did. if it's true that Allen dated his step daughter in her teens  was it ever revealed how old she was ? if it's under 18 it's rape by law as you both know and he should be in jail not married to her. i'm sorry i just don't get what people see in Woody Allen, women in particular my mom was a teenager when he did his 1st film in the 60's and even she doesn't see what women see in him.

in real life or in his films.

I'm a big fan I have to admit. His movies give you a lot to think about and he has a great deal of skill particularly in writing, giving the characters motivations that make sense and the plot being logical and relatable.

bill cosby or woody allen?

woody

oh, i dunno why people love Woody Allen even before i saw anything he's done i never understood it. i thought hannah & her sisters was also terrible as well i think it was TCM i saw that on  a few years back. great acting but boring ass movie. much like most of the films i've seen of his. kinda like Orson Wells though i don't think he's not talented i think he was a great director but like him as an actor over a writer as anything i've seen that he's written just bores me to death too.

to use another example. at least with Cosby yes he's done bad films but he's also done films i love as well.

Woody was great up until ANNIE HALL but after that he's pretty spotty.

I think only Yankees understand Woody Allen.

he he, well i dunno about that. i dunno why  i haven't seen Annie Hall yet to be honest. for me the only reason to watch any of his films is he knows how to cast a film i will give him that. but the material isn't always good sadly. but like i said to each their own for those who like it. Scarlet Johanson which i spelled wrong, i think was the actress i was thinking about when i said that film was filmed in Paris. i'll have to look it up. he's not in it though and that i think helped.

WOODY ALLEN was never married to MIA FARROW.  

I think he only got better. 

i can take his films or leave them. but i do think he's way over rated to be honest. when i see him in a role it always feels like he's playing the same character to be honest.

He is playing the same character. So were Groucho Marx, W.C. Fields, Mae West, etc.

Agreed.  Acting would fall down the list of his accomplishments below writer, director, comedian... 

yes i do agree the marx brothers did play the same characters and they even had lesser films as well to be fair. but the marx bros. i have actually laughed at and i think they are funny. i'm sure i have laughed a few times that woody allen did in his films. but it would be nice if he played a different character instead of doing the same one. and i don't think he's a bad actor either. actors who want to play different roles i can respect that because it's them wanting to try different things. you see Certain actors who play the same roles it's them just accepting being typecast and most actors don't want to be type cast. yes Peter Cushing, Vincent Price, Boris Karloff were typecast as horror actors they all accepted that but they also did a slew of other films where they did various types of roles.

they also loved making horror films as well and loved the work as well. with woody Allen yes he's done different genre's but it'd be nice to see him play as a Serial Killer and not as his normal character. kinda like when Robin Williams played one and i have no idea how well he played or even if the film was good cause that's one i actually haven't seen of his to be fair. my point Robin Williams  tried something different than playing the same character. but that's just my opinion i dunno about anyone else though

blah blah blah blah

And Bill Cosby is a rapist.
Am I on the wrong thread?

Being its turned into a Woody Allen thread-I hate his movies.
They just bore the s**t out of me.

As for Cosby-dam-he may not have done them all-but he did enough.
Of course thats just my opinion.

Right on both counts, Ronnie!

sorry about that