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Title: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: indianasmith on November 25, 2014, 12:46:24 AM Ferguson, MO is in flames tonight.
I just hope no one else has to die because of the tragic events of three months ago. It's a shame that Michael Brown was killed, but the fact remains that if he had simply gotten out of the road when the cop asked him to, he would probably still be alive. Now who knows how much blood and treasure will be lost because of his poor choices that night? Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: LilCerberus on November 25, 2014, 01:00:30 AM Spoiled brats down at VCU have started some sort of solidarity march...
Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: El Misfit on November 25, 2014, 10:55:09 AM How much blood? As much blood as it takes to get what appears to be police brutality getting off scot-free being brought to anarchy justice.
Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: Olivia Bauer on November 25, 2014, 12:12:43 PM After today I think cops everywhere will be required to wear bodycams.
I hope so anyway. If we had footage we may have found out what happened. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: indianasmith on November 25, 2014, 01:15:49 PM I do think body cams are a good idea. However, in this case I think the forensics combined with the testimony of several key witnesses have given us a pretty good idea of what happened. It's tragic, no doubt, but I also think the verdict was correct.
That being said, if I disagreed, I still wouldn't go out and torch someone's property or try to hurt people. It is not the fact of protest but the manner of protest I have issues with. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: lester1/2jr on November 25, 2014, 03:43:02 PM If you're old enough, think back to the Terry Schiavo case. She was mostly mentally incapacitated, but it appeared that she was kind of there. Here's the thing: if she'd been more overtly with it and functioning no one would have suggested taking her off life support. If she had shown no signs at all of being conscious no one would have said anything if her feeding tubes were removed. She was in between and it's in that grey area that controversies are born.
Michael Brown was a thug. He had just robbed a store with his bare hands something I've never even heard of. At the same time, did his altercation with a cop HAVE to end in his death? Would a more experienced officer have handled it differently? This is the nature of "stories", they have some sort of rub. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: ER on November 25, 2014, 04:00:30 PM Severe though the consequences may have been, Michael Brown, through the decisions he freely chose to make, was the author of his own destruction, and the blame for his death lies solely with him. On that fatal day had he no thought for his parents, and how his death would affect them? What did he hope to gain from beating up an armed policeman? Did he see something heroic in that? The fact that he acted as he did shows the roots of a problem that began long before that August afternoon.
While loss of a human life is regrettable, I find it hard to conjure much pity a man who gets high, steals, and then dies as a result of an assault on a police officer. More than anything I feel bad for the cop in this case. His life is ruined and overwhelming evidence shows he did nothing wrong. Next to the officer I pity the business owners of Ferguson who fired no shots and took no lives, and yet have had to watch their property, their very livelihood, burned to the ground. And for what? The looting happening in Ferguson, Missouri is disgusting and has nothing to do with any sane person's quest for something as sacred as social justice. This matter was from the start a case built on lies and hysteria, exploited by opportunists with only the most tangential stake in the situation. I largely reserved judgment until the grand jury came in, and what scientific evidence shows is that a thief who was intoxicated attacked a police officer multiple times, and ultimately lost his life while another man was defending his own. Also sickening is the video of the late Michael Brown's father standing atop a car last night, screaming at a crowd to "Burn the b***h down." So much for the media trying to portray him as a peacemaker. If Ferguson, Missouri is showing us anything right now it is how easily people are mislead, and how quickly they can become unthinking savages. Parents should do a better job of instilling values in their children, and maybe they wouldn’t grow up to live lives of crime, and reap the hard consequences of their wrongdoing. And for the record, if a cop is pointing a gun at you, it’s a really stupid idea to charge him. But then again it’s stupid to get high, steal from a store, walk down the middle of a street, and get in a fight with a cop in the first place. The supposed murder of Michael “Gentle Giant” Brown is the biggest crock to come along since Tom Wolfe imagined a similar circumstance in a once far-fetched fantasy called Bonfire of the Vanities. When facts mean nothing and lies command mobs, there’s not much reason to feel hope for the future of society. This is what the brave men and women who marched in Selma bled for? Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: lester1/2jr on November 25, 2014, 07:19:14 PM was stepfather who said that
Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: VenomX73 on November 25, 2014, 07:48:15 PM Also sickening is the video of the late Michael Brown's father standing atop a car last night, screaming at a crowd to "Burn the b***h down." So much for the media trying to portray him as a peacemaker. The supposed murder of Michael “Gentle Giant” Brown I agree with you. 1 - IMO The people rioting and looting right now are a bunch of animals (period) 2 - The main stream media is a JOKE. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: Allhallowsday on December 01, 2014, 02:57:12 PM Why Charles Barkley supports the Ferguson grand jury decision
Former NBA star Charles Barkley called Ferguson looters 'scumbags' and said that 'key forensic evidence, and several black witnesses that supported Officer Darren Wilson’s story...' http://news.yahoo.com/why-charles-barkley-supports-ferguson-grand-jury-decision-163736319.html (http://news.yahoo.com/why-charles-barkley-supports-ferguson-grand-jury-decision-163736319.html) Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: indianasmith on December 01, 2014, 07:32:12 PM Even Sir Charles gets it right every now and then!
Good grief, I heard some comments made by Louis Farrakhan this weekend. He basically called on blacks to rise up and murder whites in retaliation (I mean, more than they already do.) Here are the stats, as I recall them - feel free to fact check. 93% of black homicide victims are murdered by other blacks, 7% by white and Hispanics. Over 30% of white homicide victims are murdered by blacks. Maybe we should go set our own neighborhoods on fire to protest? Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: WingedSerpent on December 01, 2014, 09:49:59 PM When they released the verdict that the officer who shot Michael Brown would not be facing charges, we had protests here in Cleveland. Not just for Michael Bown but for our own recent incident where an officer shot and killed a 12 year old who had a toy gun modified to look real. Protestors laid down in Tower City Square and some even shut down the freeway for a few hours.
Luckily, that was about it for us. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: indianasmith on December 01, 2014, 10:46:19 PM It's this culture that teaches young people that the proper way to react to law enforcement is with aggression and defiance.
I would never have dreamed of waving even a toy gun at a cop! It's horrible and tragic that a young child died, but at the same time you have to wonder - what on earth was he thinking? "I'm going to modify my Airsoft pistol to look like a firearm and wave it at the first policeman I see?" Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: Rev. Powell on December 01, 2014, 11:12:42 PM Here are the stats, as I recall them - feel free to fact check. 93% of black homicide victims are murdered by other blacks, 7% by white and Hispanics. Over 30% of white homicide victims are murdered by blacks. I usually stay out of these debates, but according to the FBI's 2011 statistics 83% of whites were murdered by other whites. Only 14% of whites were murdered by blacks. 91% of blacks were murdered by other blacks. 55% of "other races" were murdered by "other races." This is what we would expect, since people are usually murdered by someone they know, often a spouse. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6 (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6) That's the first primary source I found using Google, so there may be other figures out there, but I'd be surprised if there was a reputable source saying 30% of whites were murdered by blacks. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: ER on December 01, 2014, 11:21:19 PM When I was in high school a minister from an inner city AME church came and spoke at an interfaith assembly talking about how he spent over forty weeks a year going to schools and church youth groups in urban areas, telling young black males how to save their own lives through their conduct around police officers.
This gentleman was from the Civil Rights Movement generation, about sixty or so, wise, knew the ins and outs of the law, and made a lot of good points. He said yeah, cops may be in the wrong in a situation, but you'll have a better chance of getting fairer treatment if you use common sense and conduct yourself in the right way. He advised that you never be rude to a police officer, make no sudden moves, never fight the police, and if your rights are violated, file a claim and sort that out later. He said if police have stopped you and want to search you for what you think is an unfair reason, do not be combative, tell them, "I do not consent to a search, but I also will not resist you." Later when things are calmer, he said, a person could access lawyers, tell his side in front of a judge, possibly get justice, but that all depended on surviving the encounter in the first place. He also said don't get drunk and high because that increases your odds of coming to a bad end. He cited the number of young minority males dying through police intervention on a weekly basis, and it was not a small figure. He'd made it his life's mission to try to get the word out in "at risk" communities, and it's a shame the advice he passed along in his presentations was never adopted as standard educational doctrine, because it would have made a difference in the Michael Brown case. Twenty years later I haven't heard anyone duplicating his message in this era, and I doubt that good man's still alive to get the word out. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: indianasmith on December 02, 2014, 12:08:04 AM Here are the stats, as I recall them - feel free to fact check. 93% of black homicide victims are murdered by other blacks, 7% by white and Hispanics. Over 30% of white homicide victims are murdered by blacks. I usually stay out of these debates, but according to the FBI's 2011 statistics 83% of whites were murdered by other whites. Only 14% of whites were murdered by blacks. 91% of blacks were murdered by other blacks. 55% of "other races" were murdered by "other races." This is what we would expect, since people are usually murdered by someone they know, often a spouse. [url]http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6[/url] ([url]http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6[/url]) That's the first primary source I found using Google, so there may be other figures out there, but I'd be surprised if there was a reputable source saying 30% of whites were murdered by blacks. Thanks for the correction. I'll have to track down the stat I saw - I think it may have been referring to violent crime in general, not just homicide - what I do remember is that black on white violent crime is far more common than white on black. I probably started with that and got it crossed with something else. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: Allhallowsday on December 02, 2014, 12:28:30 AM Here are the stats, as I recall them - feel free to fact check. 93% of black homicide victims are murdered by other blacks, 7% by white and Hispanics. Over 30% of white homicide victims are murdered by blacks. I usually stay out of these debates, but according to the FBI's 2011 statistics 83% of whites were murdered by other whites. Only 14% of whites were murdered by blacks. 91% of blacks were murdered by other blacks. 55% of "other races" were murdered by "other races." This is what we would expect, since people are usually murdered by someone they know, often a spouse. [url]http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6[/url] ([url]http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6[/url]) That's the first primary source I found using Google, so there may be other figures out there, but I'd be surprised if there was a reputable source saying 30% of whites were murdered by blacks. Thanks for the correction. I'll have to track down the stat I saw - I think it may have been referring to violent crime in general, not just homicide - what I do remember is that black on white violent crime is far more common than white on black. I probably started with that and got it crossed with something else. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: lester1/2jr on December 02, 2014, 03:15:36 PM I think American Conservative magazine called it: Ferguson is the left's Benghazi. No offense to Democrats or Republicans!
Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: ER on December 02, 2014, 04:29:55 PM I think American Conservative magazine called it: Ferguson is the left's Benghazi. No offense to Democrats or Republicans! I thought Benghazi was the left's Benghazi? No? Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: indianasmith on December 02, 2014, 07:17:35 PM After reflection, I do believe there is a deeper, underlying message we can all take from the events at Ferguson.
A timeless message . . . a message best summed up by Jim Carrey in one of his most immortal roles: http://youtu.be/S-mnYLPxwtc (http://youtu.be/S-mnYLPxwtc) Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 04, 2014, 04:35:22 AM Ok,Indy-they shot an unarmed man-now they choke an unarmed man to death-are you KIDDING ME?
EVERY COP SHOULD WEAR A BODY CAM. :hot: http://youtu.be/5LSBpwmMnVM (http://youtu.be/5LSBpwmMnVM) THIS MAN DIED-ALL THESE COPS ARE GUILTY. They are to protect and serve- They serve-the protect-self-serving pigs serve themselves and protect themselves-I HATE COPS. :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 04, 2014, 04:40:02 AM Man,this aint about left or right-this is about HUMAN RIGHTS. :hot:
Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: indianasmith on December 04, 2014, 07:53:14 AM The Eric Garner case is a different kettle of fish, from all that I have seen.
While I don't think there was any intent to kill him there, I still think excessive force was used. Michael Brown, however, assaulted a police officer twice. He had already tried to take Officer Wilson's gun once. He outweighed the man by over 100 pounds. When he turned around and charged at Wilson, I think the police officer responded in the only way that he could at that point. I simply can't muster any sympathy. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: Allhallowsday on December 04, 2014, 10:49:16 PM I am perplexed. :question:
Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 06, 2014, 03:20:25 AM I am perplexed. :question: I aint. Im clear as crystal.Cops can kill you for whatever the f**k reason they want. Being an a***ole? Kill that n****r! AHHHH! He argued with a cop-the cops pride was hurt- KILL THAT n****r. I HATE COPS They say rioting is not the answer. If n****rs killed your son,white man,I bet you would be p**sed. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 06, 2014, 03:47:21 AM No more bullets?
http://youtu.be/ylqEN7J3GLA?list=RDQRTu6kG6uIU (http://youtu.be/ylqEN7J3GLA?list=RDQRTu6kG6uIU) This has no bearing on anything-I is just trying to lighten the mood. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: indianasmith on December 06, 2014, 09:32:49 AM I appreciate your trying to lighten the mood, but I can't agree with your sentiments on the police.
Anyway, have a good Saturday! Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: lester1/2jr on December 06, 2014, 10:49:06 AM Police forces have attempted to be "innovative" with military style tactics and different techniques and ...it's not the innovation people want, in the same way that the NSA's efforts to spy on people is largely unwanted. innovation in and of itself isn't necessarily a good thing.
Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 06, 2014, 12:08:51 PM I appreciate your trying to lighten the mood, but I can't agree with your sentiments on the police. There are good cops.Anyway, have a good Saturday! But most are self serving a***oles on an ego trip-I'm a cop! I can do anything I want-including BREAKING THE LAW. Last time I looked,choking some one to death is ILLEGAL.Called MURDER. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 06, 2014, 12:17:11 PM Police forces have attempted to be "innovative" with military style tactics and different techniques and ...it's not the innovation people want, in the same way that the NSA's efforts to spy on people is largely unwanted. innovation in and of itself isn't necessarily a good thing. It used to be the cops looked after the people.Now they look at them-like guards at a zoo. We are not animals.And the zoo keepers are on a power trip. The reason that man on Staten Island is dead-not becouse he was selling bootleg ciggerettes-its because cops don like you yelling at them-they are above the law-f**k EM. I fought every cop that tried to-and did-take me to jail. And I been to jail over 30 times-I can tell you some stories about f**kin COPS. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: Allhallowsday on December 06, 2014, 04:27:49 PM Police forces have attempted to be "innovative" with military style tactics and different techniques and ...it's not the innovation people want, in the same way that the NSA's efforts to spy on people is largely unwanted. innovation in and of itself isn't necessarily a good thing. It used to be the cops looked after the people.Now they look at them-like guards at a zoo. We are not animals.And the zoo keepers are on a power trip. The reason that man on Staten Island is dead-not becouse he was selling bootleg ciggerettes-its because cops don like you yelling at them-they are above the law-f**k EM. I fought every cop that tried to-and did-take me to jail. And I been to jail over 30 times-I can tell you some stories about f**kin COPS. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 06, 2014, 04:56:37 PM What? That I been jail over 30 times?
Wanna see my rap sheet? I can list everytime I went to jail since 1979. I really can. Do you want me to do that? I can-and I will if ya want me to-If you think I just pull this s**t out my ass. :question: I can start listing them RIGHT NOW. First time was for possesion of pot in 1979 when John Bebee wrecked his truck-I had weed on me. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: Allhallowsday on December 06, 2014, 09:08:04 PM What? That I been jail over 30 times? Bela, it has nothing to do with believing you. Of course I believe you. Wanna see my rap sheet? I can list everytime I went to jail since 1979. I really can. Do you want me to do that? I can-and I will if ya want me to-If you think I just pull this s**t out my ass. :question: I can start listing them RIGHT NOW. First time was for possesion of pot in 1979 when John Bebee wrecked his truck-I had weed on me. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: Josso on December 06, 2014, 09:16:51 PM and that reenforces your position how exactly RC
Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: Rev. Powell on December 06, 2014, 10:18:06 PM You're saying you've been arrested 30 times... fought every time... and every time it was the cops' fault?
Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: indianasmith on December 06, 2014, 11:44:54 PM I can't even wrap my head around that mentality. I've been arrested once in my life - for trespassing - but I would never dream of fighting a cop.
I learned as a small kid to treat authority figures with respect, and as a result, I've never had any major problems from any authority figure. Even that one time was the result of a misunderstanding, and the police treated me with as much courtesy as the situation would allow. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 07, 2014, 04:08:48 AM I can't even wrap my head around that mentality. I've been arrested once in my life - for trespassing - but I would never dream of fighting a cop. Thats because your white.I learned as a small kid to treat authority figures with respect, and as a result, I've never had any major problems from any authority figure. Even that one time was the result of a misunderstanding, and the police treated me with as much courtesy as the situation would allow. And had money. Im white too-but Im poor white trash. And yeah-it was my fault why I got arrested-I fought because they beat my f**king ass up. They beat the f**k outta me. I HATE COPS. Of course you cant wrap your head around it-you have no life experiance that relates-you may as well be on the moon. Im insane-Im glad your not,Indy. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 07, 2014, 04:14:21 AM Fact is-whatever that man did-he didnt have to die. :hatred: He was killed because an over zealous cop didnt like him.
Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 07, 2014, 04:24:26 AM WTF?
How did this thing end up about my a***oleness? I thought we were discusing the civil rights of a man choked by over zealous cops? Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 07, 2014, 04:43:01 AM You're saying you've been arrested 30 times... fought every time... and every time it was the cops' fault? No Rev-it was my fault-no doubt about that-getting my ass beat-I had cuffs on behind my back in NY-the cop grabbed me by the hair and beat my head on the cop car-that was in 1985. I was arrested for drinking on the f**king beach. In the back seat of a car.Me,Ileane,and Joey. They let us all go because I ended up knocked out and they didnt want to take that home.Joey took me home-I was f**ked up. I suppose Im very one sided on this. I HATE COPS. Oh-all the times I did get busted-no felonies.I got busted for stupid s**t. Drinking in public mostly. I destoryed a garbage can in front of a bar,was sitting on the sidewalk because I was too drunk to get home-s**t like that. When my brother in law Leroy shot Steve-they busted in my house-in front of my kids-threw me on the floor-covered me with f**king shot guns-and started to kick me-"Wheres Leroy? Wheres he at?" I didnt f**kin know! Leroy called from a pay phone in South Haven-turned himself in. I HATE COPS. His sister is the mother of my kids. http://law.justia.com/cases/michigan/court-of-appeals-unpublished/2002/20020730-c229088-30-229088-opn.html (http://law.justia.com/cases/michigan/court-of-appeals-unpublished/2002/20020730-c229088-30-229088-opn.html) I dont make this s**t up. :bluesad: I wish I did. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: kakihara on December 07, 2014, 04:39:02 PM there is a lot race-baiting going on right now. especially with the media, I think they are inciting/causing a lot of this. its being portrayed as black vs white, and the sheeple are playing right in to it. the things that have been said in this thread could never be said openly in public without a fight. there are definitely racial issues in this day and age. based on the facts, eye witness testimony, and video, it seems as though mike brown was a violent thug. sadly, any person who says this will be looked at as a rascist. I think mike browns name has been hijacked and is being used as an excuse for a lot of things right now. there are tons of videos showing police brutality, but they never really draw any attention, just look on youtube, some of those videos will make you sick. i respect Charles barkley for having his own opinion even though it is not a popular one. for a celebrity to do that is a rare thing. actually, i appreciate all of you having opinions and drawing your own conclusions.
Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: VenomX73 on December 09, 2014, 06:47:46 PM Why Don't You Act Like the President of All of US? #Joesfight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0U5QVv_18A#ws)
Well said Judge Jeanine! Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: indianasmith on December 09, 2014, 09:56:04 PM No system is perfect, no police officer is perfect. I get that. No doubt there are some truly bad actors who sully the badge every time they put it on.
That being said, this also needs to be said: If Treyvon Martin had kept walking, and not attacked the man who followed him, he would still be alive. If Michael Brown had not attacked a police officer and tried to take his gun, he would still be alive. If the fellow in New York - Eric? - had not resisted arrest, he would still be alive. The fact is, if every person treated authority figures with respect and courtesy - WHETHER THEY DESERVE IT OR NOT - we would not have to read stories like this, or tear communities apart with protests and looting. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 21, 2014, 11:01:39 AM No system is perfect, no police officer is perfect. I get that. No doubt there are some truly bad actors who sully the badge every time they put it on. I thought a watch was a WATCH-you dont watch with a gun. He killed an unarmed man for no real reason. THATS murder. The guy had not commited a crime-and he was murdered. Your wild west s**t doesnt stand up in a civilized counrty.Nazi Germany maybe. Sorry Indy-why would you rthink America-the home of the free-would kill a n****r for-he was WALKING DOWN THE STREET- needed to die.That being said, this also needs to be said: If Treyvon Martin had kept walking, and not attacked the man who followed him, he would still be alive. If Michael Brown had not attacked a police officer and tried to take his gun, he would still be alive. If the fellow in New York - Eric? - had not resisted arrest, he would still be alive. The fact is, if every person treated authority figures with respect and courtesy - WHETHER THEY DESERVE IT OR NOT - we would not have to read stories like this, or tear communities apart with protests and looting. Indy,if yoyu blindly justify murder-it has nothing to dop with our founding fathers-who-by the way-owned slaves. Dont give me s**t that they were criminals. They didnt commit a crime that deserves a death sentence. Its BULLs**t. And Indy-Dammit-you should know that. And as a teacher-dammit- Indy-you should Know that. Mass ...racism is a diasese-so is populism. Go with the flow- OH! we have to take authority folks with respect? GODDAM! Nazi Germay never questioned s**t either! Indy! Yer like John Wayne. John Wayne s**t is so basic-gwt in the real world. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: lester1/2jr on December 21, 2014, 11:37:07 AM If they guy says "I can't breathe" it's probably a good idea to get off him. He was resisting arrest only in the sense of trying to argue his way out of it which just about everyone does. Michael brown is a different story, but part of a police officers job is to be able to handle these situations without having things like this happen that's what we pay them for. Garner wasn't a threat to anybody.
Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 21, 2014, 11:44:40 AM All religions are an excuse to kill people who dont like you.
Religion? I HATE It! I dont give a f**k what god you think is true. What the f**k is wrong? When your religion condons murder? Islam-(Chrisrtians do it too-the Crusades,anyone.) There is no god-nobody gotta f**kin argue about it. I hate religin :hatred:on. ALL religion is not based on love-its based on "Im right-yer wrong" intolerence. I hate ALL religions. :hatred: AHH! AHH! :hatred: WAKE THE f**k UP! Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: indianasmith on December 22, 2014, 12:06:02 AM Show me one verse where Jesus of Nazareth urged his followers to kill ANYBODY and I might agree.
What the Church did in the Middle Ages was completely abandon the teachings of Jesus. Love ya, RC, but I love God more. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 22, 2014, 12:17:08 AM Show me one verse where Jesus of Nazareth urged his followers to kill ANYBODY and I might agree. Indy-yer alright-Im never going to convince you that its all propaganda-Nazi's thought what they believed was right too. And If you think Im comparing organizes religion to Nazism-I am-Islams are Nazi-so are a lot of Fundmentalist Christians-Koresh? Its all evil. Religion-is evil. EVIL!!! :hot:What the Church did in the Middle Ages was completely abandon the teachings of Jesus. Love ya, RC, but I love God more. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 22, 2014, 12:29:01 AM The man who died in NY-wtf? Like you said "DONT BREAK THE LAW!"
That means he had to die? WHAT? WHAT??? I thought this was America. It IS America-and we -the PEOPLE-have the right-the obligation-to question the people in charge. THAT is AMERICA,my freind. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: indianasmith on December 22, 2014, 01:19:48 AM Religion in itself is neither good nor evil; it is what people do with it that makes it so.
Religion is man's attempt to reach God; that attempt will always fail. Jesus Christ was God's attempt to reach man - and we killed him. The problem is not with God, it's with mankind. Atheistic regimes in the 20th century killed more people than all the religious wars in the history of the world combined. It all comes back to human wickedness. That's why I have faith in God - because if I put my faith in the goodness of human nature, to use one of your favorite phrases, I'm f****d. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 22, 2014, 04:07:14 AM Religion in itself is neither good nor evil; it is what people do with it that makes it so. touche,my freind.Religion is man's attempt to reach God; that attempt will always fail. Jesus Christ was God's attempt to reach man - and we killed him. The problem is not with God, it's with mankind. Atheistic regimes in the 20th century killed more people than all the religious wars in the history of the world combined. It all comes back to human wickedness. That's why I have faith in God - because if I put my faith in the goodness of human nature, to use one of your favorite phrases, I'm f****d. I know Im a godless atheist- And if their is a hell-Im sure Im going. I love ya Indy. Yer a good man. :thumbup: Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: A_Dubya on December 24, 2014, 02:54:06 AM If they guy says "I can't breathe" it's probably a good idea to get off him. He was resisting arrest only in the sense of trying to argue his way out of it which just about everyone does. Michael brown is a different story, but part of a police officers job is to be able to handle these situations without having things like this happen that's what we pay them for. Garner wasn't a threat to anybody. Pretty much where I stand too. This attitude of "just obey the cops at all times, even if you aren't threatening anyone and just want to be left alone" is mind boggling to me. Respect should be earned, not just arbitrarily given to someone just because they have a badge and gun. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: lester1/2jr on December 24, 2014, 02:17:48 PM to me it's market thing. We don't hire them to kill people trying to sell loosies. I understand the risks police officers take and appreciate that they can't always be nice guys, but at the end of the day they work for us.
Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: indianasmith on December 24, 2014, 10:49:17 PM I think the Eric Garner case was handled horribly. First of all, the charge itself was bogus. The only reason selling loose cigarettes is forbidden is because the city doesn't want to lose their precious tax revenue. But the cops have been ordered to bust people for selling loose cigarettes, and until the people of NY grow a pair and challenge the politicians who create such idiotic policies, cops have to enforce the laws when they are ordered to. I will say this - if Eric Garner was actually being choked by the officer, he would not have been able to speak at all. His death had much more to do the fact that he was asthmatic, 100 pounds overweight, and chose to resist rather than simply giving up. That being said, the cop could have de-escalated the situation in a number of ways. He probably should have been indicted - but I wasn't on the Grand Jury and did not hear all the evidence.
Michael Brown - sorry, but we was acting like a thug. He robbed a store, then assaulted Officer Wilson and tried to take his gun. Then, when ordered to halt, he turned and charged at the officer (who was 100 pounds lighter and several inches shorter than him). What does anyone do at that point? You let a guy that big get you on the ground, and you are history, even if you are trained in self defense. Officer Wilson did the only thing he could do, and his life and career in law enforcement have been effectively ended because of it. He will be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life, and that's a shame. Anyone who wears a badge gets my respect automatically. They may not merit it, but the badge does. The police really are the thin blue line that protects society from chaos. They risk their lives every time they go out on the job, and catch nothing but flak for it way too much of the time. If I have a run-in with a policeman and he acts like a turd, I'll memorize his badge number and report the conduct later. But I am not ever going to provoke a man who is carrying a gun and who deals with the scum of humanity on a daily basis. Whatever momentary self-righteous satisfaction such a confrontation might generate is not worth the possibility of losing my life because the officer is having a bad day and misinterprets my actions. As for you, RC - underneath all the crustiness you love to display is a truly decent human being. You are loved by everyone here, myself included - and God loves you too, whether you acknowledge it or not. I hope you have a wonderful, merry Christmas! Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: A_Dubya on December 24, 2014, 11:25:54 PM to me it's market thing. We don't hire them to kill people trying to sell loosies. I understand the risks police officers take and appreciate that they can't always be nice guys, but at the end of the day they work for us. Exactly. And if you are unable to do your job competently, you get no respect from me, whatever uniform you wear. With all the bs I've had to deal with involving the police over the years, I have a totally different perspective than probably most of the people on this forum. Title: Re: Well, the Riots Have Begun Post by: RCMerchant on December 26, 2014, 07:30:42 PM to me it's market thing. We don't hire them to kill people trying to sell loosies. I understand the risks police officers take and appreciate that they can't always be nice guys, but at the end of the day they work for us. Exactly. And if you are unable to do your job competently, you get no respect from me, whatever uniform you wear. With all the bs I've had to deal with involving the police over the years, I have a totally different perspective than probably most of the people on this forum. I laughed-because Joey had juct left the car too p**s I gave him the finger-I thought it was Joey!-it was a cop.He opened. the door-the cops had guns on me-he grabbed my long hair and commenced to beating my head on the roof of the car. His partner had to stop him. I was a bloody mess. They didint arrest us. I ended up in the hospital. f**k COPS. :hatred: |