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Title: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: Archivist on January 28, 2015, 01:48:21 AM
Not even the sight of Jessica Alba in her underwear could save the slow motion train wreck that was the Fantastic Four movie of 2005.  Fox really foxed that one up.  Especially egregious in its bastardization of Victor Von Doom, it reduced him from a noble and complex megalomaniac to a two bit movie villain.  But now, Josh Trank draws upon David Cronenberg and the Marvel Ultimates series to hopefully redeem the Fantastic Four on the big screen.

Fantastic Four Teaser TRAILER 1 (2015) - Kate Mara, Miles Teller Movie HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ekxlwp9DPI#ws)

This looks quite promising.  The cinematography reminds me of some of the newer DC movies like Man of Steel.  I'm crossing my fingers for this one, and placed it in the Good Movies forum as a hope for the future.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: messedup on January 28, 2015, 01:31:46 PM
Trailer looks interesting, but I have to admit that I never cared much for the Fantastic Four.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on January 28, 2015, 04:19:57 PM
Trailer looks interesting, but I have to admit that I never cared much for the Fantastic Four.

Same here, which is why I probably won't see it. Not that the role of Johnny Storm/The Human Torch, who was previously portrayed as white, is now a black man, played by Afro-American actor Michael B. Jordan, which seems to be getting most of the attention.

Not that I can complain about the change from white to black, as Nick Fury was originally a white man, then they cast the Afro-American actor Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury in "The Avengers." And now whenever I see the character of Nick Fury, I expect him to be a black man.

If I have a greater complaint about casting, it is casting Jamie Bell as Ben Grimm/The Thing. I actually like Jamie Bell as an actor, but previously in other versions, both print and film, Ben Grimm, even before he becomes The Thing is portrayed as sporting some heft. And I don't think Jamie Bell has the bulk to portray Ben Grimm.

And I was wondering how they were going to explain the relationship between Sue and Johnny, as originally they were brother and sister, and it seems the explanation is that Sue is now the adopted sister of Johnny.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: Ted C on January 28, 2015, 06:30:11 PM
I have trouble with any story concept that includes 'an anti-social programmer known as "Doom" online' as the villain.

Would it be so hard to give Dr. Doom the respect he deserves as a world-threatening supervillain?

I predict that his will have disappointing returns, and the sequel will never be made.

Seriously, you know it's going to be bad when this happens:

"Mara said that she was supposed to read the Fantastic Four comic books for preparation. However, director Josh Trank suggested to her that it was unnecessary...."


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: indianasmith on January 28, 2015, 09:36:27 PM
I guess I am the only one who liked the 2005 version, and its sequel.
This one doesn't sound nearly as good.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: akiratubo on January 28, 2015, 10:57:57 PM
They should do a slight re-imagining where their powers involve turning into anthro-animals.  They could call it The Fantastic Fur.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: Trevor on January 29, 2015, 01:06:31 AM
I guess I am the only one who liked the 2005 version, and its sequel.
This one doesn't sound nearly as good.

No, you're not alone.  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: Archivist on January 29, 2015, 03:07:34 AM
I have trouble with any story concept that includes 'an anti-social programmer known as "Doom" online' as the villain.

Would it be so hard to give Dr. Doom the respect he deserves as world-threatening supervillain?


Yeah, I'm rather worried about that.  But they completely changed the character of the Mandarin in Iron Man 3 and it actually worked, and I'm almost as passionate about the character of the Mandarin as I am Dr. Doom.  Oh, my geekdom for a horse...


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: Alex on January 29, 2015, 04:10:19 AM
I guess I am the only one who liked the 2005 version, and its sequel.
This one doesn't sound nearly as good.

While the 2005 movie (and the follow up) weren't really my kind of super hero movie, I do have to admit I found them entertaining enough in a sort of just switch off Mr Brain and enjoy kind of way.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: Ted C on January 29, 2015, 10:45:32 AM
I guess I am the only one who liked the 2005 version, and its sequel.
This one doesn't sound nearly as good.
I can watch them without feeling like my soul is being sucked out, but I would definitely classify them as "Bad Movies" rather than "Good Movies".


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: Ted C on January 29, 2015, 10:47:18 AM
But they completely changed the character of the Mandarin in Iron Man 3 and it actually worked, and I'm almost as passionate about the character of the Mandarin as I am Dr. Doom.  Oh, my geekdom for a horse...
The Mandarin was actually a sort of bait-and-switch villain. I actually think IM3 is the weakest of the Iron Man movies, largely because of the weak villain.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: WingedSerpent on January 29, 2015, 05:50:28 PM
The 2005 version had plenty of flaws, but it did somethings right.  The suit for the Thing looked pretty could.  Some of the scenes between the Thing and the Human Torch were fun and had that element from the comics.  Doctor Doom didn't look too bad for an adaptation, but I felt they left too much of the character in the comic books and didn't bring enough of him to the screne.

Rise of the Silver Surfur, I felt the same.  Plenty of flaws but stuff to like as well.  Although I can't get behind portraying Galactus as a puffy pink cloud made out of cotton candy.  I get what they were going for, more of a force of nature-but it didn't look good and he was defeated way too easily.

This does not look like a superhero movie.  This is Interstellar: with super powers.  That might not inherently be a problem.  After all, the Thor movies have a huge fantasy element to them, and Captain America is more war and spy movies.

I don't know if I'm going to see this one. 


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: Ash on February 09, 2015, 04:49:59 AM
This does not look like a superhero movie.  This is Interstellar: with super powers.  

This.

The same guy who directed Chronicle is also directing this so I don't think it's going to be anything like the Marvel comic book.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on February 13, 2015, 02:22:20 PM
Not wishing back luck on the film or any of the people involved with it, but if the box office does not live up to expectations, there may be some chance that Marvel may regain some of the rights to the characters. Thus, as they have recently with Spiderman. Sony Columbia having exclusive film rights to the character Spiderman have sold some of those rights to Spiderman back to Marvel, and where Spiderman goes in making appearances in some of Marvel's upcoming films, the Fantastic 4 may follow.

Though, I will tell you what gets me with all this, is how cheaply Marvel sold off its iconic characters to various movie studios. I don't know how much they sold the film rights to the Fantastic Four for, but--apparently--they sold the exclusive film rights to Spiderman to Sony Columbia for only $7 million. Thus, one of the best things that ever happened to Marvel was that it got rid of its old s@@@ for brains management and got in new management who understood the value of what it had.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: Archivist on April 22, 2015, 11:54:14 PM
And the new trailer is up!

Fantastic Four | Official Trailer [HD] | 20th Century FOX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRoD28-WgU#ws)

It's funny how the first trailer made it look like Interstellar, this one becomes another cool but slightly generic trailer.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: Alex on April 23, 2015, 02:41:58 AM
Maybe its because I've never been a big Fantastic Four fan, but the trailer just kinda made me think "Meh". I suspect I will watch it eventually but most likely I'll wait until its on netflix or something similar to watch it.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: alandhopewell on May 23, 2015, 12:42:57 PM
    Methinks I'll give this one an El Paso....
I wasn't too sure to begin with, then I read an article about why Johnny Storm is suddenly black. The author (of the article)'s premise is that, if you take a formerly white character and make them black, you're striking a blow against racism, but if you leave them as is, or (HORRORS!) make a previously black character white, you're supporting racism in some way.

    HUH????
My concern is that the Director holds the same view.
When Samuel L. Jackson was cast as Nick Fury, I think it was because he is BADASS, not because of his genetics, or some cock-eyed effort to "atone" for something-grow up, folks; it's just pigment.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on May 28, 2015, 06:36:42 PM
    Methinks I'll give this one an El Paso....
I wasn't too sure to begin with, then I read an article about why Johnny Storm is suddenly black. The author (of the article)'s premise is that, if you take a formerly white character and make them black, you're striking a blow against racism, but if you leave them as is, or (HORRORS!) make a previously black character white, you're supporting racism in some way.

    HUH????
My concern is that the Director holds the same view.
When Samuel L. Jackson was cast as Nick Fury, I think it was because he is BADASS, not because of his genetics, or some cock-eyed effort to "atone" for something-grow up, folks; it's just pigment.

That explanation, about Nick Fury, is as good as any as I have seen about why, where once a character was white,  now he is black. Indeed, I must admit, when I see Nick Fury now as white, I am disappointed he does not look more like Samuel L. Jackson.

Like many people here, I--too--am going to give this a pass. Not because Johnny Storm is now an Afro-American, though I am afraid that is going to hurt at the box office, but because, except for the X-Men, the Fantastic Four, are some of my least favorite characters in the Marvel Universe.

There are other people, I am afraid, are hoping this film fails at the box office, because if it fails at the box office, maybe the rights to the characters, which are owned by 20th Century Fox Film Corporation, would then revert to the Walt Disney Company, who except for the X-Men, has seemed to have the most luck with the most recent Marvel characters.

The same thought, the reverting back of the rights of a character, here to the film Spiderman, which is owned by Sony Columbia, after the relative failure of the last Spiderman film, would revert back to the Walt Disney Company, but . . .?! That does not seem to be the case, as it looks like Sony Columbia is going to take another run at creating a successful Spiderman film in 2017, with a rumored Asa Butterfield in the role of Spiderman.

And we shall see, what we shall see.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: etmoviesb on May 28, 2015, 09:22:19 PM
In general I really dislike superhero movies. I think they take themself too seriously and actually make no sense. The whole wave of "super hero with super problems" make me laugh as most of the problems are the same problem normal humans simply have anyway (relations, jobs...)

So or they are not serious (like The Super Inframan [1975]) or they tend to be really stupid.

In a way I hope the next Batman VS Superman is just: Superman throws Gotham to the sun, just after do the same with the city where Lex Luthor is. Finally leaves a message like: be good or I do it again. End.


Title: Re: Fantastic Four (2015)
Post by: dean on May 28, 2015, 09:48:21 PM
In general I really dislike superhero movies. I think they take themself too seriously and actually make no sense. The whole wave of "super hero with super problems" make me laugh as most of the problems are the same problem normal humans simply have anyway (relations, jobs...)

So or they are not serious (like The Super Inframan [1975]) or they tend to be really stupid.

In a way I hope the next Batman VS Superman is just: Superman throws Gotham to the sun, just after do the same with the city where Lex Luthor is. Finally leaves a message like: be good or I do it again. End.


Reminds me of this comic:

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