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Title: Boris or Bela?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 14, 2015, 09:29:17 AM
Ok-everyone who's been on this forum for a while knows I love Lugosi movies-but who do you prefer
Lugosi or Karloff?
Certainly Karloff got the better roles in later life-and he was a great actor-I dont think Lugosi could have brought the empathy and pathos that Karloff gave to the Monster-Lugosi's forte was being just plain evil-he could do pathos-as in the BLACK CAT(1934),the PHANTOM SHIP (1939) and such-but Karloff-even his mad doctor roles-you sympathized with him-Lugosi-even when his murderous madness was somewhat justified-kinda-like in the DEVIL BAT(1942) took glee in his madness-he relished it-"YES! I like to torture!"-the RAVEN (1934). Thats why I like Bela-he took really awful pictures and gave a full blooded (no pun intended) performancce to every thing he did. The nuance he brought to DRACULA was nowhere to be seen in his hammy overblown acting in the PHANTOM CREEPS (1939)-but that serial needed overblown melodramatics-it was a serial meant for kids-fast paced and overblown-like a cartoon-and he made it fun.
And the same year he stole the show from Karloff in SON OF FRANKENSTEIN.

http://youtu.be/h0UY7irdFgw (http://youtu.be/h0UY7irdFgw)


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 14, 2015, 10:30:09 AM
Boris beats Bela... sorry.

http://youtu.be/xjtxN623-gI (http://youtu.be/xjtxN623-gI)


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: VenomX73 on June 14, 2015, 11:21:57 AM
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I vote for Bela Lugosi.


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: major jay on June 14, 2015, 01:38:12 PM
I'm on the fence with this one.
But I do think Karloff could play an evil role just as well as Bela. For example, THE MASK OF FU MANCHU or THE BLACK CAT.


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: JaseSF on June 14, 2015, 04:20:38 PM
Boris is probably the better actor but Bela was a better showman. Seeing either of them in a film increases my interest in said film.


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 14, 2015, 11:36:33 PM
Ok-everyone who's been on this forum for a while knows I love Lugosi movies-but who do you prefer
Lugosi or Karloff?
Certainly Karloff got the better roles in later life-and he was a great actor-I dont think Lugosi could have brought the empathy and pathos that Karloff gave to the Monster-Lugosi's forte was being just plain evil-he could do pathos-as in the BLACK CAT(1934),the PHANTOM SHIP (1939) and such-but Karloff-even his mad doctor roles-you sympathized with him-Lugosi-even when his murderous madness was somewhat justified-kinda-like in the DEVIL BAT(1942) took glee in his madness-he relished it-"YES! I like to torture!"-the RAVEN (1934). Thats why I like Bela-he took really awful pictures and gave a full blooded (no pun intended) performancce to every thing he did. The nuance he brought to DRACULA was nowhere to be seen in his hammy overblown acting in the PHANTOM CREEPS (1939)-but that serial needed overblown melodramatics-it was a serial meant for kids-fast paced and overblown-like a cartoon-and he made it fun.
And the same year he stole the show from Karloff in SON OF FRANKENSTEIN.
[url]http://youtu.be/h0UY7irdFgw[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/h0UY7irdFgw[/url])

Don't dismiss your idol's performance in THE BLACK CAT too quickly.  It illustrates BELA LUGOSI's range, which was under used.  DRACULA was great (not really) but typecast him.  BORIS KARLOFF got parts that BELA, accented, did not. 

BORIS KARLOFF


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: akiratubo on June 14, 2015, 11:38:38 PM
Why choose?  I like 'em both!  I suppose if pressed, I'd have to go with Bela.  I've watched plenty of movies I knew would be horribly s**tty simply because Bela was in them.  I haven't done so for Boris.

I think it has do with Boris being more of a conventionally "good" actor than Bela.  There never was, nor will there ever be again, anything like Bela.


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: dean on June 15, 2015, 02:10:43 AM
Watched more with Bela. Like Boris, but Bela wins for me.


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: Alex on June 15, 2015, 03:14:52 AM
It have to vote for Bela, although I like both.


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: Newt on June 16, 2015, 08:55:13 AM
Hard choice, but for me it has to be Boris.  I'm just fond of him, I guess. 


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: major jay on June 16, 2015, 11:58:08 AM
 I've watched plenty of movies I knew would be horribly s**tty simply because Bela was in them.  I haven't done so for Boris.
I haven't seen any of Boris's Mexican output, but I'm thinking it stinks just as bad as anything Bela let loose during his career.


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on June 20, 2015, 05:32:32 PM
 I've watched plenty of movies I knew would be horribly s**tty simply because Bela was in them.  I haven't done so for Boris.
I haven't seen any of Boris's Mexican output, but I'm thinking it stinks just as bad as anything Bela let loose during his career.

Then sir, you are indeed fortunate. I've had the misfortune of watching Boris' 2nd to last film "Isle of the Snake People." Memorable for all the wrong reasons.

As to whether I prefer Boris or Bela, that's the same as asking me whether I like Chris or Pete the best. I like both pairings equally, since they complemented each other so well. Where, Pete, even at his worst always came across as warm and likable, Chris, even at his best, came across as cool and unlikable. The same could be said for Boris and Bela. Boris being the warm and likable one, and Bela being the cool and unlikable one. (IMHO)


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 21, 2015, 05:28:47 AM
 I've watched plenty of movies I knew would be horribly s**tty simply because Bela was in them.  I haven't done so for Boris.
I haven't seen any of Boris's Mexican output, but I'm thinking it stinks just as bad as anything Bela let loose during his career.

Then sir, you are indeed fortunate. I've had the misfortune of watching Boris' 2nd to last film "Isle of the Snake People." Memorable for all the wrong reasons.

As to whether I prefer Boris or Bela, that's the same as asking me whether I like Chris or Pete the best. I like both pairings equally, since they complemented each other so well. Where, Pete, even at his worst always came across as warm and likable, Chris, even at his best, came across as cool and unlikable. The same could be said for Boris and Bela. Boris being the warm and likable one, and Bela being the cool and unlikable one. (IMHO)

Ahh-as Hallows said-check out the BLACK CAT (1934)
Boris is the evil one-Bela is the (twisted!) hero!
In life-I float to Bela-he was an addict-so am I-I can relate.

One of the best horror scenes EVER-I still gives me the creepers-


https://youtu.be/7C9fBMnSuE0


edit-how did I f**k that one up-I dunno-but I managed....


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 21, 2015, 09:24:04 AM
 I've watched plenty of movies I knew would be horribly s**tty simply because Bela was in them.  I haven't done so for Boris.

I haven't seen any of Boris's Mexican output, but I'm thinking it stinks just as bad as anything Bela let loose during his career.


Then sir, you are indeed fortunate. I've had the misfortune of watching Boris' 2nd to last film "Isle of the Snake People." Memorable for all the wrong reasons.

As to whether I prefer Boris or Bela, that's the same as asking me whether I like Chris or Pete the best. I like both pairings equally, since they complemented each other so well. Where, Pete, even at his worst always came across as warm and likable, Chris, even at his best, came across as cool and unlikable. The same could be said for Boris and Bela. Boris being the warm and likable one, and Bela being the cool and unlikable one. (IMHO)

Ahh-as Hallows said-check out the BLACK CAT (1934)
Boris is the evil one-Bela is the (twisted!) hero!
In life-I float to Bela-he was an addict-so am I-I can relate.

One of the best horror scenes EVER-I still gives me the creepers-


[url]https://youtu.be/7C9fBMnSuE0[/url] ([url]https://youtu.be/7C9fBMnSuE0[/url])


edit-how did I f**k that one up-I dunno-but I managed....





http://youtu.be/7C9fBMnSuE0 (http://youtu.be/7C9fBMnSuE0)


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: telegonus on July 01, 2015, 04:37:13 AM
I like both Boris and Bel. If I tend to be be more favorably inclined to the Great Karloff it's as much as matter of his living longer than Lugosi, being in better health longer, and having English as his first language. Every little bit helps. Bela was cursed by a huge ego, poor career choices, a more flamboyant style,--when running on all cycliners--in other words, he was the more theatrical of the two. Karloff really mastered the art  of acting for the csmera. Sad to say, Lugosi never did. He was a fine actor, though, but a totallly different type from the more versatile and physical Karloff.


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 01, 2015, 07:57:24 AM
I like both Boris and Bel. If I tend to be be more favorably inclined to the Great Karloff it's as much as matter of his living longer than Lugosi, being in better health longer, and having English as his first language. Every little bit helps. Bela was cursed by a huge ego, poor career choices, a more flamboyant style,--when running on all cycliners--in other words, he was the more theatrical of the two. Karloff really mastered the art  of acting for the csmera. Sad to say, Lugosi never did. He was a fine actor, though, but a totallly different type from the more versatile and physical Karloff.

Well put. I say Lugosi is a great PRESENCE, but Karloff is a great ACTOR.


Title: Re: Boris or Bela?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 05, 2015, 04:02:04 AM
In my opinion even in their films together-Bela dominates-the one exception of course being the BODY SNATCHERS (1945)
.The BLACK CAT (1934)-Boris just broods threw this Bela has the more complex role.
,The RAVEN (1935) the scene where Bela unveils the room of mirrors Karloff starts shooting them-but turns into a classic Frankenstein growl at the end of the scene,
.The INVISIBLE RAY (1938) Bela is the good guy-dont have much to do-score one for Boris
,BLACK FRIDAY (1940)-totally miscast-Bela shoulda been the doctor-Boris the Jekyll/Hyde-Stanley Ridges the gangster-what a wasted oppurtunity.
I'll not mention the GIFT OF GAB or the Kay Kyser claptrap.
.the SON OF FRANKENSTEIN (1939)-Ygor steals the show-Atwill is fantastic and Rathbone is on the verge of shrieking hammy! But Karloff doesn't have much to do.
All that being said-Bela couldnt pull off the Monster (see FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE WOLFMAN ) and Boris isnt sexy enough to be Dracula.