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Title: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 04, 2015, 07:17:30 AM
I dont have ANY opinion on this-because the front runner Hillary is full of s**t-I dont trust anyone who forgives her husband for f**king everything in sight-shes in it for the money and fame.
As for all the Republicans-thats scary-Jeb (say it in a DELIVERANCE kinda voice-JEB! SQUELL PIGGY!) or insane moron money fool Trump-is this reaaly happining He is really second in the running to be the nomination for the president-THIS guy what the f**k are you people thinking??? Ill vote for that crazy nut-what was his name The neo nazi ass from the 70s-help me out here-LaVerne La-some freak from Indiana La Cross-La-La Hitler
'Member that guy had glasses-ran on an independent for years-really crazy basterd. La-la-la-f**k-I dunno.

Dont know-but are you Republicans SERIOUS. TRUMP??
I pray not-because I thought all these mexicans I work with at the canning factory for the last 30 years were hard working people helping put food on yer f**king table-I didnt know they were RAPISTS!!! AHH! MONSTERS!
That man is a child.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 04, 2015, 07:32:03 AM
I dont trust Christie-he's a gangster. Hes been gathering money-and hoarding it untill-POW! I wanna be President!
Ren Paul-I actually kinda like him in a warped kinda way..like I like zombies. He has no clue
On the democrat side-f**k Hillary-what the f**k,-dont you guys got anybody besides Hillary to give use If you dont-were gonna end up with a backwoods f**k or a self centered meglomaniac as the ruler of this f**king country.
Im wrong Jeb aint a backwoods f**k-hes just a member of a clan of crazy a***oles who wanna toss us into WW 3.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 04, 2015, 08:09:18 AM
I'm ready for a President whose name is NOT Clinton or Bush.
There's such a wealth of candidates on my side I'm having a hard time making up my mind.
I like Rubio, Scott Walker, and Carly Fiorina, and Mike Huckabee always has a warm place in my heart.
Trump is utterly unelectable.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on July 04, 2015, 09:23:10 AM
Me: free dirty undies for everyone ;)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on July 04, 2015, 10:26:22 AM
I'm for Bernie Sanders, since he isn't being bought by corporations like the others, or by name recognition like Clinton or Bush.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 04, 2015, 12:45:05 PM
He's getting a huge following and may well take the nomination from Hillary.
I just can't agree with a top tax bracket of 90%.  I don't care how rich you are or how you make your money, for the government to take that big a cut is pure theft.

That being said, my brother's wife adores him!

Uh - Bernie Sanders, I mean.  Not my brother.

Actually, I guess she adores my brother, too.

Now I'm confused. :question:


What were we talking about?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 04, 2015, 01:03:09 PM
This guy: 

(http://cp91279.biography.com/1000509261001/1000509261001_1954112140001_BIO-Mini-BIO-Abraham-Lincoln-SF.jpg)

Or, this guy: 

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/6/21/1277140395230/Franklin-Delano-Roosevelt-006.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on July 04, 2015, 01:13:52 PM
Ben Jones


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 04, 2015, 03:11:00 PM
this guy

 (https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8020/7587554678_0447d1a87b_z.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: diamondwaspvenom on July 04, 2015, 03:32:14 PM
I vote for Trevor.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on July 04, 2015, 04:53:33 PM
In these times of anti-enlightenment & closed mindedness, a rock head just might be what this country needs.
this guy

 (https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8020/7587554678_0447d1a87b_z.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: akiratubo on July 04, 2015, 09:31:18 PM
A U.S. citizen chosen completely at random.

Hey, you.  *poof*  You're the president!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 04, 2015, 10:49:29 PM
I don't really want to be President . . . but if they ever hold an election for Emperor, I'm IN!!!!!!!!!!!! :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: JaseSF on July 05, 2015, 04:16:25 PM
Agree somebody not named Bush or Clinton. Not Trump either...hell, elect a new party.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Alex on July 06, 2015, 02:55:57 AM
Why vote for a lesser evil?

http://www.redbubble.com/people/davidayala/works/11314785-vote-cthulhu-2016?p=sticker (http://www.redbubble.com/people/davidayala/works/11314785-vote-cthulhu-2016?p=sticker)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on July 06, 2015, 03:00:05 AM
I vote for Trevor.

 :teddyr: :teddyr:  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Ash on July 06, 2015, 08:14:53 PM
I'm seriously considering not voting for any of the candidates in the upcoming election.
Don't like ANY of them.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on July 06, 2015, 08:15:13 PM
If you are unsure, take this test as a reference on what you think you should vote for. Remember, it's a reference.
http://www.isidewith.com/ (http://www.isidewith.com/)
Note that it goes like this: yes/no/other. clicking other will show other choices.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 06, 2015, 08:54:19 PM
I got rand paul 85%

followed by Bernie Sanders 74%


Paul - Sanders 2016!

Martin o malley and I are not on speaking terms


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on July 06, 2015, 09:06:19 PM
me


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on July 06, 2015, 09:10:46 PM
Andrew


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 07, 2015, 12:23:19 AM
My top match was Rick Santorum, followed by Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio.
I don't particularly like Cruz and Santorum is unelectable, but Rubio is one of my top 3 picks.
Interesting site!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 07, 2015, 12:41:01 PM
Malvert

(http://i.imgur.com/5HsTGZ5.gif)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 07, 2015, 07:24:53 PM
would be funny to make a joke version of that quiz so everyone who took it got Hillary, even indianasmith


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on July 07, 2015, 07:49:24 PM
I got 98%  :buggedout: on Bernie Sanders.

87% on Hilliary Clinton, 72% on Martin O'Malley and 43% on Mike Huckabee.

Huckabee and I aren't on speaking terms.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 07, 2015, 09:48:07 PM
Personally, I like Rand Paul.

2012 I liked Gary Johnson.

I'm Libertarian.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 07, 2015, 09:55:14 PM
My favorite quote about libertarians:

"A libertarian is someone who believes every gay married couple should be free to fly the Confederate flag while defending their marijuana patch with a personally owned AK-47." :teddyr:

Seriously, I agree with libertarians on a lot of domestic stuff, but the isolationist strain most of them share scares me.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 07, 2015, 09:59:00 PM
I think of it as more Lincolnian vs Jeffersonian


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: frank on July 08, 2015, 02:36:41 AM

I am not a US citizen and took the test just for fun. But actually, something other caught my eye (which was sort of mentioned before).

There were 3 matches for democrats, but a whopping 13 for republicans. Is that a normal thing? Does the party not providing the president always nominate more candidates? I would find it extremely difficult to first have such a strong competition within the own party, basically struggling for a very distinct and specific profile, and then throwing this all overboard and try to unite everyone again once I bacame the sole candidate. My impression would be that in the final race not much can be left from the original profile, or am I wrong?



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 08, 2015, 08:07:07 AM
This is an unusual year in that the Republican Party is deeply divided between its conservative and moderate wings, AND there is no clear "heir apparent" - a Vice President or incumbent President - running.  The thing is wide open, and everybody seems to think they have a shot.  Our Primary Elections start in January in Iowa and New Hampshire, and the lower end guys get weaned out pretty quick.  However, it does have something of a "circular firing squad" effect on the participants, as evidenced by last time.  By the time Romney secured the nomination, he had been bloodied so bad that he was relatively easy pickings for Obama, who had a united Democratic party behind him.
   The Democrats, this year, are looking to have a much more contested election than last time around, since many people have qualms about Hillary and the very quotable Bernie Sanders is mounting a strong challenge to her.  Personally, I think the GOP has a decent shot this year.  Obama's had the reins for 8 years and many folks are ready for a change.  Also, the youth and energy are on the Republican side - over half of our 14 declared candidates are still in their 40's, while Hilary and Bernie are both in their 70's.  One thing my party has learned from bitter experience is that young and cool will ALWAYS beat old and cranky!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on July 08, 2015, 08:40:00 AM
Bernie, Marco, Hilary and John E Bush.  :smile:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 08, 2015, 12:10:06 PM
judging by my twitter feed the most enthusiastic support is for Ted Cruz on the right and Bernie Sanders on the left so I hope for those peoples sake those are the candidates.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 08, 2015, 02:29:20 PM
Normally I don't like Trump. But I like how he's sticking by his words and taking on the BS protest. Normal people would cave-in; which is a problem because the protesters are stifling freedom of speech and freedom of thought.

Sure not all ILLEGAL alien coming from Mexico rapist, thieves and murders... but 30% of the rapist, thieves and murders in our prison are ILLEGAL ALIENS... this is an issue, especially when a common issue of our prison system is 'over crowding' 

So, I can see myself voting for Trump... :)

Otherwise I would be supporting Scott Walker (but I don't think he announced yet)



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on July 08, 2015, 03:25:29 PM
Normally I don't like Trump. But I like how he's sticking by his words and taking on the BS protest. Normal people would cave-in; which is a problem because the protesters are stifling freedom of speech and freedom of thought.

Sure not all ILLEGAL alien coming from Mexico rapist, thieves and murders... but 30% of the rapist, thieves and murders in our prison are ILLEGAL ALIENS... this is an issue, especially when a common issue of our prison system is 'over crowding' 

So, I can see myself voting for Trump... :)

Otherwise I would be supporting Scott Walker (but I don't think he announced yet)



Not yet, reports are that he will sometime this week.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on July 08, 2015, 09:55:35 PM
When I was a child my dad used to have a t-shirt that said, "Bill the Cat For President" so if Bill the Cat's still alive, him for President.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on July 08, 2015, 09:58:54 PM
I dunno, I think trump's saying that racist crap to butter up to his union buddies.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 08, 2015, 11:00:27 PM
When I was a child my dad used to have a t-shirt that said, "Bill the Cat For President" so if Bill the Cat's still alive, him for President.

Bill was dead the first time the Meadow Party ran him, as I recall.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on July 09, 2015, 08:54:47 AM
I dunno, I think trump's saying that racist crap to butter up to his union buddies.

Mexican isn't a race, it's a nationality. English, Russian, Indian, Nigerian, these aren't races either. They're also nationalities. Negroid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid, those are the three races. Surely even in this age of repression political correctness it's still fair game to criticize a neighboring country's national policy, isn't it? Also, true is true, even when it's unpleasant.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 09, 2015, 10:15:20 AM
I dunno, I think trump's saying that racist crap to butter up to his union buddies.

Mexican isn't a race, it's a nationality. English, Russian, Indian, Nigerian, these aren't races either. They're also nationalities. Negroid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid, those are the three races. Surely even in this age of repression political correctness it's still fair game to criticize a neighboring country's national policy, isn't it? Also, true is true, even when it's unpleasant.

Agreed :)

@LilCerberus

We are not sure what is Trumps motive. It's quite possible that he WANTS TO BECOME PRESIDENT and he's saying stuff that he knows WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR. On the other hand, some are assuming that he might be a spoiler like Ross Perot... which will steal the votes from the Republicans and allow Hillary to win.

I would like to think he's fake but I doubt he's being fake when he's getting attacked by both parties... yet, the American People are starting to like him.


Please note... we do have an Illegal Alien issue. This has nothing to do with legal immigration. Actually, I think it's insulting to put Legal Immigration and Illegal Alien's in the same argument.

Think of it like this, you are shopping for Christmas and have a shopping cart full of Christmas stuff, and your standing in line to buy the items. Meanwhile, 20 other shoppers holding handful of Christmas stuff; these shoppers cut in line. They stick their middle finger at you and the lady at the cash register gives these cutters 1,000 dollars; she then let them go through without paying for the items their hands.

(Does this seem fair?)

Currently, it seemed that America has become 'GO' on the monopoly board. Hell, I feel like I should sneak into Mexico just to cross the boarder so I can get all this free stuff, too!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on July 13, 2015, 04:13:02 PM
Walker will officially throw his name in the hat in an hour or so.

I hate him and I'll just leave it at that.

Here's the score card so far.

Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, Rick Perry, George Pataki, Ben Carson, Bobby Jindal, Lindsey Graham, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Scott Walker and Carly Fiorina.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders, Hilary Clinton, Jim Webb, Lincoln Chafee and Martin O'Malley.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Olivia Bauer on July 13, 2015, 05:12:17 PM
It'd be easier to make a list of people that should never be president.

Cruz, Jindal, Santorum and Huckabee are at the top of my s**t list.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on July 13, 2015, 09:13:39 PM
an inanimate carbon rod


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 13, 2015, 09:19:55 PM
It'd be easier to make a list of people that should never be president.

Cruz, Jindal, Santorum and Huckabee are at the top of my s**t list.


Proving that we are diametric opposites who would probably spontaneously combust if we were ever placed in the same room . . .  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Olivia Bauer on July 14, 2015, 06:28:12 AM
It'd be easier to make a list of people that should never be president.

Cruz, Jindal, Santorum and Huckabee are at the top of my s**t list.


Proving that we are diametric opposites who would probably spontaneously combust if we were ever placed in the same room . . .  :teddyr:
To be fair I hate all politicians. Those guys just p**s me off the most.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on July 14, 2015, 07:59:56 AM
It'd be easier to make a list of people that should never be president.

Cruz, Jindal, Santorum and Huckabee are at the top of my s**t list.


Proving that we are diametric opposites who would probably spontaneously combust if we were ever placed in the same room . . .  :teddyr:

No, that combustion would only happen if I walked in there with my filthy undies.  :buggedout: :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on July 14, 2015, 09:56:18 PM
It'd be easier to make a list of people that should never be president.

Cruz, Jindal, Santorum and Huckabee are at the top of my s**t list.

As a guy from Louisiana, Jindal is hated throughout the state, he's cutting the state's budget for his campaign, he's been cutting the budget for his 'rain check' and everyone in the city wants to hang him.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on July 15, 2015, 04:35:01 AM
(https://i.imgflip.com/o6d6r.jpg)

 :teddyr: :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 15, 2015, 11:04:44 AM
I wonder  if we could reanimate Reagan and run him again . . .  how about this slogan:

A BETTER PRESIDENT DEAD THAN ANY OF THESE SUCKERS ALIVE! :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on July 15, 2015, 11:12:14 AM
an inanimate carbon rod


(http://communicategood.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/carbon-rod.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 15, 2015, 05:26:42 PM
Sometimes Malvert pee red, but most times Malvert want to fix the economy vote Malvert

(http://media.giphy.com/media/dhrhMlVN1dkmk/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on July 16, 2015, 01:12:16 PM
I wonder  if we could reanimate Reagan and run him again . . .  how about this slogan:

A BETTER PRESIDENT DEAD THAN ANY OF THESE SUCKERS ALIVE! :teddyr:

I dont think that would be a great idea, with him having Alzheimer late in his presidency. Though, a Zombie president would be interesting.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 16, 2015, 03:16:59 PM
I think that the jury is still out on whether or not his Alzheimer's was manifesting itself before he left office - but his second term was full of difficulties, and he wasn't as nimble as he had been earlier on.  Of course, he was also 75 years old then, too.

I'm reading a great biography of him right now by H.W. Brands - I am finding it remarkably balanced and scholarly thus far.

As a rule, it's very hard to get perspective on a President until they have been out of office at least 20 years.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 16, 2015, 06:14:47 PM
I liked Reagan but not Caspar Weinberger and all the military build up. The whole cold war mentality is baffling to me. Russia is an insane bunch of totalitarians...so let's goad them into building thousands of nukes that will be aimed at all our major cities. Should have shipped American goods into their communism would have been over in 5 seconds.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 16, 2015, 09:05:08 PM
Yet not a single nuke was launched and the Soviets went belly up - hard to argue with those results!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 17, 2015, 12:10:47 AM
 it went belly up because it was a horrible economic system that required absurd amounts of coercion to work properly, which it never did or possibly could have


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 17, 2015, 06:32:43 PM
...aaaand-for al his Moroness-Trump is still the weiner-I mean winner. Christ-makes me ashamed to be an american. If he wins-we all lose-wait for WW3.
THIS is what we have come to-reality TV millionaires being our rulers. Insane. Caligula would be proud.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 17, 2015, 08:26:22 PM
If Trump gets the nomination the VP should be the Girls Gone Wild guy


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 17, 2015, 08:54:12 PM
...aaaand-for al his Moroness-Trump is still the weiner-I mean winner. Christ-makes me ashamed to be an american. If he wins-we all lose-wait for WW3.
THIS is what we have come to-reality TV millionaires being our rulers. Insane. Caligula would be proud.  :bluesad:
You one crazy ass son-of-a-b***h.  Being a crazy ass son-of-a-b***h, I agree with you. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Derf on July 17, 2015, 10:39:43 PM
...aaaand-for al his Moroness-Trump is still the weiner-I mean winner. Christ-makes me ashamed to be an american. If he wins-we all lose-wait for WW3.
THIS is what we have come to-reality TV millionaires being our rulers. Insane. Caligula would be proud.  :bluesad:
You one crazy ass son-of-a-b***h.  Being a crazy ass son-of-a-b***h, I agree with you. 
While I am not particularly crazy, and while my dear saint of a mother is certainly no b***h (and while I can be an ass sometimes), I also agree with you. I cannot believe anyone is taking Trump seriously this election cycle.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 17, 2015, 10:40:54 PM
He'll drop like a rock once the primaries begin.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 18, 2015, 11:15:43 AM
He ran last time too.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Derf on July 18, 2015, 09:56:19 PM
He ran last time too.

And was thoroughly laughed out of the lineup, just as he deserved. I wish people would have done the same this time around.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 18, 2015, 10:24:36 PM
whoever is the least inspiring should run so we can all ignore the election. How great would it be 1if no one cared and the news just stopped covering it


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on July 18, 2015, 11:27:16 PM
Paul Reubens
Because the Bamster makes Peewee Herman look like a man!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on July 19, 2015, 12:42:45 AM
Since people seem to think that Turnip will win, let's take a look at his idiocy and laugh in it.
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/1344736273536488996.png (https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/1344736273536488996.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/02utvTo.jpg?1)
If he somehow won, there would be riots.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on July 19, 2015, 01:14:29 PM
I think Trump killed his chances with the comments about MCCain not being a war hero.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 19, 2015, 01:55:14 PM
No one ever won the Presidency by being a jerk.
Trump is a world class jerk.
Ergo, he will not win the Presidency.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 19, 2015, 02:44:13 PM
I posted this on my FB page earlier.  Since it's relative to this discussion without being overtly partisan, I thought I'd share it here too.

WHY DONALD TRUMP WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT


I've watched politics my whole life, going all the way back to when I was 12 and Jimmy Carter beat Gerald Ford in the 76 election.  One factor has held through that whole time:  the guy who is perceived as being more likable will always win.  If you wouldn't have the candidate over to your house for a backyard barbecue, you won't vote for him.  Let's run down the list:
Carter vs. Ford - Carter was a simple, down-to-earth guy, a peanut farmer who had never been to Washington, who taught Sunday school at his church and sounded like a good ole country boy.  Ford was a career politician - a very nice man according to all who knew him - but he was stained by his pardon of Nixon, and he sounded too much like a politician.  Advantage: Carter.
Carter vs. Reagan - Reagan was funny, charming, and great with a one-liner.  Carter, by this point, had become a downright depressing individual - clearly out of his depth in the office and blaming his incompetence on America's declining virtue.  So, a friendly, joking grandfather figure or a gloomy policy wonk? Advantage: Reagan
Reagan vs. Mondale - Reagan was still his witty, one-lining, enjoyable self, with the added virtue of facing a near fatal bullet wound with incredible courage and good humor.  Mondale was perhaps the most boring human being on the planet.  A guy whose jokes will keep you laughing, versus a droning pedant who will have your guests snoring in five minutes?  Advantage: Reagan.
Bush vs. Dukakis - Bush 41 was less likable than his son, but there was still something endearingly goofy and awkward about this guy.  Dukakis, on the other hand, was so cold-blooded that Dave Barry said of him: "You could never listen when he was talking because you kept waiting for his tongue to flick out and catch a passing fly."  Goofy aristocrat vs. boring accountant - Advantage: Bush41
Bush vs. Clinton - the awkward charm had worn thin and the President seemed increasingly detached from the people, while Slick Willie was funny, jovial, and very charismatic.  Yes, he'd probably put the moves on your wife the minute you were out of the room, but he was SO ingratiating you would just make sure she was out of town next time you had him over.  Beleaguered aristocrat vs. cool young governor - Advantage: Clinton.
Clinton vs Dole - The GOP got a bad case of the stupids and nominated a certifiable geezer this time - a cranky old fart who always looked like he was going to accuse you of stealing his newspaper.  Clinton's charm had worn off to some extent, but he was still more likable on a bad day than Dole was on his best day. Geezer vs. Likable Skirtchaser - Advantage: Clinton!
Bush vs. Gore - W was, even according to his political rivals, a genuinely likable guy.  Yes, he mispronounced stuff and didn't always come across as a particularly bright, but Gore was another Democrat without personality:  droning facts and figures and accusing anything he disagreed with of being a "risky scheme" in that droning baritone voice of his.  Country boy vs. boring professor of environmental science - Advantage: Bush.
Bush vs. Kerry - W was still cruising on a winning war record and his undeniable affection for our men and women in uniform, while Kerry looked like a Yankee undertaker who would try to sell a grieving widow the most expensive casket in the shop. Aloof and unlikable, his Senate record also branded him, fairly or not, as a flip-flopper.  Shady undertaker vs. the patriotic commander-in-chief - Advantage: Bush.
McCain vs. Obama -  Having learned nothing from the Dole-Clinton election, the GOP, in a year when their brand was badly damaged already, nominated a boring old geezer with a stellar war record against the coolest, most hip politician since Clinton played the clarinet on Arsenio Hall - and he was America's first non-white candidate to boot!  Geezer vs. Hipster -  Advantage: Obama.
Romney vs. Obama - Here is the thing: I bet, in person, Romney is a far nicer guy than Barack Obama.  But, in front of a crowd, he comes across as plastic and phony - I always said that if Wiley Coyote had ordered a "Presidential Candidate Kit" from Acme, when he opened the box, Mitt Romney would have popped out!  Obama, despite his party's drubbing in the 2010 Congressional election, still came across as a cool cat who understood the plight of the little people.  Mellow hipster vs. Canned Politician - Advantage: Obama.

So this brings us to Trump.  Not to put too fine a point on it, the man is a jerk.  He insults his rivals, tosses out offensive rhetoric  about minorities that the GOP desperately needs to win over, and now trashes our veterans.  So we have a guy who comes across as an annoying blowhard who would spend your entire barbecue talking about himself and how great he is, versus a field of candidates who are all more personable and likable than he is. Conclusion: Trump will drop like a rock once the primaries start, leaving people shaking their heads and wondering how this bozo ever held a lead, even briefly!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 19, 2015, 03:56:18 PM
Someone who dresses like they're from the 19th century would win. People had more trust in the office then

(http://media-3.web.britannica.com/eb-media/64/7564-004-07AEB61A.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 07, 2015, 05:44:32 PM
Who's missing in the previously posted scorecard? My local paper said there were more than a dozen Republican candidates.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 07, 2015, 10:10:13 PM
There are a total of 17 Republican Presidential candidates at the moment.  I watched both debates last night and recorded my own reactions  in my blog today.   You can check it out here if you are interested.

http://lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com/ (http://lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 08, 2015, 11:42:57 AM
Trump is kind of like the American Berlesconi


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 08, 2015, 12:21:47 PM
Updated score card.

Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, Rick Perry, George Pataki, Ben Carson, Bobby Jindal, Lindsey Graham, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Scott Walker, Carly Fiorina, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders, Hilary Clinton, Jim Webb, Lincoln Chafee and Martin O'Malley.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 09, 2015, 02:53:05 AM
And the scary thing is-even after the f**king debate-he is STILL top runner!
Democrats will win-because the Chump-I mean the Trump-will loose-even his own party hate him! SO! Why is this dick in the lead? And Hilary? Shes just a scary b***h.
Ill tell you why.
Because idiots take politics like a stupid TV show-why stupid morons like the Kardashins-no talent a***oles who make headlines for being-a***oles! The country has become a nation of lemmings. TV has brainwashed folks to thinking that TV is important.
 Its all BULLs**t! They need a holiday in Cambodia.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 09, 2015, 03:18:34 AM
I domt want any of these dicks to be president!! Saunders is the best of the bunch-but not like I care-I just think the rest are worse! DAM! We need an FDR.
This country is run by people with big money who dont give a f**k about YOU!
I just dont wanna get in a atom bomb war-and it will happen-because we are a***oles,
We really are-and it will happen if we keep trying to make other countries like our b***h.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 09, 2015, 01:41:24 PM
Ronnie Merchant for President!!!!!!



(or, maybe not  :buggedout: )


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 09, 2015, 03:48:08 PM
Ronnie Merchant for President!!!!!!



(or, maybe not  :buggedout: )

I'd vote for him  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 09, 2015, 10:39:21 PM
Born in Transylvania so not eligible


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 10, 2015, 12:02:16 AM
The thing is, I would like to BE President.
I just don't want to RUN for President.

Like, if the VP died and the President appointed me to that slot, then resigned and handed me the office - that would be awesome!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 10, 2015, 06:42:29 PM
I'd be good with Rand Paul.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 10, 2015, 10:36:41 PM
How is Trump still leading in the polls?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 10, 2015, 10:50:12 PM
He has a hard core of supporters (I call them Trump Chumps) who are blind to the fact that he's been a liberal most of his life, that he has no serious policy proposals, and that he is unelectable.  All they see is "he tells it like it is" (which in fact he doesn't), and they like that (possibly because they are jerks like him - the one person I know who is the most avid Trump supporter is also the biggest jerk I know!).  I really think he has peaked, as the field narrows, a more reasonable and likable choice will emerge on the GOP side.  I just hope Trump hasn't sabotaged us so badly at that point that we can't win (although I think that may actually be his plan).  It kinda sucks, because we have a really strong field otherwise! LOL


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 11, 2015, 01:24:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMGCS6jUEAA7luP.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 11, 2015, 08:04:46 PM
He has a hard core of supporters (I call them Trump Chumps) who are blind to the fact that he's been a liberal most of his life, that he has no serious policy proposals, and that he is unelectable.  All they see is "he tells it like it is" (which in fact he doesn't), and they like that (possibly because they are jerks like him - the one person I know who is the most avid Trump supporter is also the biggest jerk I know!).  I really think he has peaked, as the field narrows, a more reasonable and likable choice will emerge on the GOP side.  I just hope Trump hasn't sabotaged us so badly at that point that we can't win (although I think that may actually be his plan).  It kinda sucks, because we have a really strong field otherwise! LOL

LOL LOL LOL

I'm leaning to support Trump too and my wife said "I was raised by jerks."


I think the appeal of Trump is deeper then Trump. The American people spoke in 2010 and they were silenced by the IRS during the 2012 election, and they spoke again in 2014 - and for 6 months the Republican Party had done nothing. In fact, we could say that the Republican Party was a mirror to the Democrats.

At first I thought Trump was a joke. Well, I realized I was wrong in the first 30 mins on Rush's show when Trumps announcements overshadows Bushes announcement. Because Rush couldn't stop talking about Trump. Then I told myself 'Omg, Trump was a freaking genius because he's getting free air time and he's overshadowing Bush.'

I keep on hearing others are saying Trump is going to allow Hillary to win (especially if he becomes a 3rd party). I have doubts. Only because I don't believe the American people were that Angry with Bush (41) because they realized he no Reagan. Bill Clinton needed a ringer. In fact, 41 did a successful job with the gulf war.

Hillary is not doing anything to boost her support, in fact, she it being beaten out by Bernie Sanders.

This election is going to be much different. I'm picturing Trump vs Sanders vs Bush. Although, the only people that will be voting for Bush is wallstreet people and I don't think they have the numbers to compete with Trump or Sanders.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 11, 2015, 08:33:48 PM
Jeb leaves me totally lukewarm, but Trump just makes me mad.
He's all hot air and talking points and whenever anyone points that out, he either pouts or calls them stupid.
His comments about Megyn Kelly were beyond the pale.  I'm from the South, you don't talk to ladies like that!
Right now everybody is all: "Oh, he's the front runner!"

He's the front runner in a field of SEVENTEEN.  At most, he's got a third of the party behind him, and I think that
figure is grossly inflated.  His mouth is his worst enemy; he's going to keep saying stupid stuff and make people
mad.  We have so many MUCH better choices this year.  It grieves me that so many conservatives are turning
to this narcissistic, obnoxious blowhard.

If by some miracle he does get the nomination, I will either sit it out or write in Great Cthulhu.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h288/Indianasmith/cthulhu_rising_by_dashadee-d82p6ou_zpsnijxjyp7.jpg) (http://s67.photobucket.com/user/Indianasmith/media/cthulhu_rising_by_dashadee-d82p6ou_zpsnijxjyp7.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 11, 2015, 11:02:02 PM
Actually, people had been talking about 3rd party the very day after the 2012 election when the Republican party decided to allow Obama's Amnesty (by allowing federal funding)... The dirty truth is, if it wasn't for Trump, the American people (those that voted in 2010/12) would be looking for somebody that's not Republican or Democrat.

I would like to see Scott Walker call out Obama... but I'm having doubts that anybody but Trump is going to call out Obama.  But we'll see what happens when Obama veto's a treaty (Really a president has this much freaking power!!!!) [I think it's stupid that there is a debate on this Iran BS - the paper says it gives Iran total freedom to make a bomb while we cannot stop them! and the beauty is that we are giving Iran billions of dollars so they can ATTACK US! Holy s**t talk about being angry!]


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Derf on August 12, 2015, 06:55:10 AM
I was listening to an NPR program that made some interesting comparisons of Trump in this election with Ross Perot. They are/were both rich enough to fund themselves, neither filtered their speech because the public viewed them as the crazy guy saying what they (the public) was already thinking (in many cases, at least). Since neither of them are career politicians, they garnered support for not being the establishment. Perot ended up running as his own party. Trump is threatening the same. The ultimate weirdness would be another Clinton/Bush/Crazy Person contest. I pray that doesn't happen, since I could not in any way support any of those options, but it is looking like a real possibility. It is sad that we can't seem to find anyone who has the ability to truly lead, like another Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy, or Reagan. Love or hate their platforms, they were all inspirational leaders that gave the country someone to rally behind (okay, so maybe Lincoln got only half the country behind him while the other half tried to quit, but he brought them back through a horrible time).


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 12, 2015, 09:07:39 PM
Actually, people had been talking about 3rd party the very day after the 2012 election when the Republican party decided to allow Obama's Amnesty (by allowing federal funding)... The dirty truth is, if it wasn't for Trump, the American people (those that voted in 2010/12) would be looking for somebody that's not Republican or Democrat.

I would like to see Scott Walker call out Obama... but I'm having doubts that anybody but Trump is going to call out Obama.  But we'll see what happens when Obama veto's a treaty (Really a president has this much freaking power!!!!) [I think it's stupid that there is a debate on this Iran BS - the paper says it gives Iran total freedom to make a bomb while we cannot stop them! and the beauty is that we are giving Iran billions of dollars so they can ATTACK US! Holy s**t talk about being angry!]

I honestly feel the Libertarian Party is growing by the day.  I may be biased though.  That's where my allegiance lies.  But people call me crazy.  Last debates I was all over Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 12, 2015, 09:49:53 PM
I think I'm going to be backing Bernie Saunders.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 12, 2015, 09:54:21 PM
I just can't go with socialism.  Particularly not when we are already nearly $20 trillion in debt.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 12, 2015, 10:07:36 PM
Some would say the 2 party system put us in debt. 



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 12, 2015, 10:18:45 PM
http://youtu.be/CsXxUKjklt8 (http://youtu.be/CsXxUKjklt8)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 12, 2015, 10:51:02 PM
He's kind of in the same position Obama was in in 08: running against Hillary and letting her scary beltway/ wall st ness bring out his left wing populism.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Derf on August 13, 2015, 07:12:25 AM
Actually, people had been talking about 3rd party the very day after the 2012 election when the Republican party decided to allow Obama's Amnesty (by allowing federal funding)... The dirty truth is, if it wasn't for Trump, the American people (those that voted in 2010/12) would be looking for somebody that's not Republican or Democrat.

I would like to see Scott Walker call out Obama... but I'm having doubts that anybody but Trump is going to call out Obama.  But we'll see what happens when Obama veto's a treaty (Really a president has this much freaking power!!!!) [I think it's stupid that there is a debate on this Iran BS - the paper says it gives Iran total freedom to make a bomb while we cannot stop them! and the beauty is that we are giving Iran billions of dollars so they can ATTACK US! Holy s**t talk about being angry!]

I honestly feel the Libertarian Party is growing by the day.  I may be biased though.  That's where my allegiance lies.  But people call me crazy.  Last debates I was all over Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. 

I consider myself a Libertarian also. I am against a one-size-fits-all central government that homogenizes our country into one big pile of lowest-common-denominator blandness. The states should have more control over there direction than the federal government. But I suppose that is a discussion for another thread. I will likely vote Libertarian again this election, even though I know my state will go with the Republican candidate, whoever that turns out to be.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on August 13, 2015, 09:23:15 AM
And so we're told this is the golden age
And gold is the reason for the wars we wage
Though I want to be with you
Be with you night and day
Nothing changes
On New Year's Day


Hint....


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Newt on August 13, 2015, 05:15:59 PM
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11242344_10207603111823801_5434102138320348008_n.jpg?oh=81fc8bcaf74d298d347c68553a5f1c54&oe=5639EDE1)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on August 13, 2015, 07:04:12 PM
Twixt ServerGate & "How has Trump torpedoed his chances this week", and all the other stuff I'm not hearing about everyone else, the summer of 2015 is starting to remind me WAY too much of the summer of 1993! :hatred:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 13, 2015, 08:35:32 PM
Actually, people had been talking about 3rd party the very day after the 2012 election when the Republican party decided to allow Obama's Amnesty (by allowing federal funding)... The dirty truth is, if it wasn't for Trump, the American people (those that voted in 2010/12) would be looking for somebody that's not Republican or Democrat.

I would like to see Scott Walker call out Obama... but I'm having doubts that anybody but Trump is going to call out Obama.  But we'll see what happens when Obama veto's a treaty (Really a president has this much freaking power!!!!) [I think it's stupid that there is a debate on this Iran BS - the paper says it gives Iran total freedom to make a bomb while we cannot stop them! and the beauty is that we are giving Iran billions of dollars so they can ATTACK US! Holy s**t talk about being angry!]

I honestly feel the Libertarian Party is growing by the day.  I may be biased though.  That's where my allegiance lies.  But people call me crazy.  Last debates I was all over Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. 

I consider myself a Libertarian also. I am against a one-size-fits-all central government that homogenizes our country into one big pile of lowest-common-denominator blandness. The states should have more control over there direction than the federal government. But I suppose that is a discussion for another thread. I will likely vote Libertarian again this election, even though I know my state will go with the Republican candidate, whoever that turns out to be.
People say my vote is a wasted vote. But not to me. My guy may lose but it's truly how I feel


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 13, 2015, 09:04:19 PM
One ray of hope that I had pointed out to me today:
Since the GOP got control of the House in 2010, the annual budget deficit has dropped from $1.5 trillion to $497 billion, and is predicted to drop by another $75 billion next year.  Also, for the first time since the Eisenhower administration, government spending actually went down last year - REAL spending, not the "let's reduce the rate of increase and call it a cut" that passes for spending cuts in Washington.  There is a real chance for a balanced budget in the next few years, depending on the outcome of this election.

I hope we don't screw it up.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 14, 2015, 10:45:23 AM
Some would say the 2 party system put us in debt. 



LOL If I had my way, the party system would be banned (No reason to support a person because of party) and candidates are not allow to advertise (No reason for campaign money).   

Although, If I was president, the first thing I would demand from the house is a term limit law (on everybody in government in office - including Judges) and I'm not signing s**t until they give me a term limit law. Yes, I'll shut the government down until they give me a term limit law on the desk. And every day they don't give me a term limit law, I'll go on TV at 6:30 to tell the American people that 'today the government is shut down is because they won't give me a term limit law.' (I would do this every day and make the American people get mad and make them vote those jerks out of office!)

Sadly... I know I would be assassinated before I make my oath as being president. (therefore I'm not running for president)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 14, 2015, 10:25:32 PM
I've seen multiple reports that Rick Perry is running out of money for his campaign and can't pay staffers and the like.

I have a gut feeling he'll be the first candidate from either party to bow out.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 14, 2015, 11:18:21 PM
You may be right.  I think Lindsay Graham will follow shortly thereafter.
While I agree with him on foreign policy, he is about as inspiring as a waterlogged French fry floating in a greasy sink.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 15, 2015, 12:33:59 AM
Didn't Graham want to send troops to Syria? that was about a popular idea as him being president


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 15, 2015, 11:42:44 AM
Donald trump vs The Washington Post http://www.theamericanconservative.com/buchanan/donald-trump-vs-the-washington-post/ (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/buchanan/donald-trump-vs-the-washington-post/) get em Don (and Pat)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 15, 2015, 01:51:17 PM
Didn't Graham want to send troops to Syria? that was about a popular idea as him being president


Yep

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2015/07/08/lindsey-graham-wants-10-000-troops-in-syria-to-battle-isis (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2015/07/08/lindsey-graham-wants-10-000-troops-in-syria-to-battle-isis)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 15, 2015, 03:52:26 PM
You know, I'm actually somewhat sympathetic to that, except 2 years ago he wanted troops in Syria to fight Assad, who is himself fighting ISIS. In reality, graham is simply a mouthpiece for various lobbies and has no actual principles to speak of


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 15, 2015, 09:35:02 PM
http://youtu.be/j5VFS6myEc8 (http://youtu.be/j5VFS6myEc8)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 15, 2015, 10:36:26 PM
I don't think there are any good guys in Syria on either side.  Assad is loathsome and ISIS are no better than Nazis. The moderates, if there ever were any, have all either been killed or forced to join one of the extreme sides.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 16, 2015, 10:49:36 AM
I'll take Assad over ISIS. Those guys are the worst. When you make Al Queda look like a bunch of reasonable guys you know you are fully in Nazi/ Manson family territory. A unique historical evil


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 16, 2015, 11:50:30 AM
Trump wants money from Mideast countries supported by US 

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-wants-money-mideast-countries-supported-us-130027587.html (http://news.yahoo.com/trump-wants-money-mideast-countries-supported-us-130027587.html) 

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is outlining a foreign policy in which the United States would put ground troops in the fight against Islamic State militants and demand money from Middle East countries supported by the U.S.

In a wide-ranging interview that aired Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," the billionaire businessman and former reality TV star says he would consider shutting down the federal government over funding for Planned Parenthood. He says he isn't sure whether he has donated money to the organization in the past but adds that he would oppose providing federal funds if it continues providing abortion services.

Trump says he would ask nominees to the Supreme Court about their views on abortion and would take their views into consideration as he made a decision on whom to nominate. He says he opposes abortion except in case of rape, incest and to save the life of the mother.

Calling the nuclear agreement forged between Iran and world powers including the U.S. "a bad deal," Trump says that Iran will have nuclear weapons and take over parts of the world. "And I think it's going to lead to nuclear holocaust," he said. Instead of tearing up the deal, he said he would "police" it, and he called Secretary of State John Kerry "incompetent" for negotiating the agreement.

On defeating Islamic State militants, Trump said the key is to take away their wealth by taking back the oil fields under their control in Iraq. Told by "Meet the Press" host Chuck Todd that such a move could require ground troops, Trump responded, "That's OK." He said the Iraqis should be given "something" from their oil fields but, in an apparent reference to Iraq War veterans, "we should definitely take back money for our soldiers."

"We've had soldiers that were so badly hurt and killed," he said. "I want their families to get something. Wounded warriors all over the place. They got nothing. And they can't even say we had a victory.

Trump in the past has accused Saudi Arabia of being the world's biggest funder of terrorism. On Sunday, he said the Gulf nation should be paying the U.S. because it wouldn't exist without American support. And, Trump said, the only reason the U.S. supports Saudi Arabia is because it needs the oil.

"Now, we don't need the oil so much," he said in an apparent reference to U.S. oil and gas production. "And if we let our people really go, we wouldn't need the oil at all. And we could let everybody else fight it out." 

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-wants-money-mideast-countries-supported-us-130027587.html (http://news.yahoo.com/trump-wants-money-mideast-countries-supported-us-130027587.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 16, 2015, 11:56:24 AM
Trump's immigration plan.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/donald-trumps-immigration-plan-is-out-and-heres-what-in-it-2015-08-16?siteid=yhoof2 (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/donald-trumps-immigration-plan-is-out-and-heres-what-in-it-2015-08-16?siteid=yhoof2)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 16, 2015, 01:54:12 PM
I watched CSPAN coverage of the Iowa state fair today. The candidate that stood out for me was Lincoln Chafee of RI. He came off as reasonable, understated and just normal. In comparison all the other candidates, including Bernie Sanders, came off as cartoonish. Sanders was like a hardcore singer barking and pointing at the audience. It wasn't what I expected and I wasn't into it.

The other highlight was Hillary's mysterious, swank looking sidekick Huma Abedin. She's around my same age too hmm


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 16, 2015, 04:36:45 PM
I think Chaffee has about as much chance of getting elected as you or me.
Kind of like Gov. Gilmore on the Republican side.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 16, 2015, 05:01:00 PM
I think we can all agree the country would be f**ked if Trump ended up winning somehow.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 16, 2015, 07:16:20 PM
I think we can all agree the country would be f**ked if Trump ended up winning somehow.
Maybe it'd be just great!!!  :teddyr: 

 :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 16, 2015, 07:51:53 PM
Indiana- I'm sure you're right.  it was substantive too though. He was a moderate Repub before and a dem now.

I like governors and low key sort of guys rather than pundit types. I feel like if, say, Chris Christie was elected he would know literally, actually HOW to do the job. Some of these other guys... I don't know

I would vote for Bush the elder in a heartbeat I don't care if he's 111




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 16, 2015, 08:16:02 PM
...I like governors and low key sort of guys rather than pundit types. I feel like if, say, Chris Christie was elected he would know literally, actually HOW to do the job. Some of these other guys... I don't know...
Living here in NJ, I don't agree with you. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 16, 2015, 08:51:51 PM
It wasn't an endorsement more figurative but I hear ya


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 17, 2015, 12:05:06 AM
I think Trump would be an effective dictator but a lousy President.

I am wishing for a Rubio/Fiorina ticket . . . I would volunteer for that campaign!!!!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 20, 2015, 07:13:26 PM
A new candidate has emerged

http://wjla.com/news/political/deez-nuts-for-president-independent-candidate-has-strong-showing-in-polls (http://wjla.com/news/political/deez-nuts-for-president-independent-candidate-has-strong-showing-in-polls)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 20, 2015, 09:57:50 PM
A new candidate has emerged

[url]http://wjla.com/news/political/deez-nuts-for-president-independent-candidate-has-strong-showing-in-polls[/url] ([url]http://wjla.com/news/political/deez-nuts-for-president-independent-candidate-has-strong-showing-in-polls[/url])


Deez Nuts is a stupid joke and an insult to the American Election. Really, if the person don't fit the criteria to be president then they shouldn't run for president.


PS... I'm still trying to find out where in the construction does it say that anchor babies are legal. The 14th amendment was created because several states (after the civil war) didn't want the slaves to be citizens.

The 14th Amendment says:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

***Please note it says: and subject to the jurisdiction thereof that doesn't mean anybody can sneak into the border and drop a baby and it becomes a citizen of the USA.***


What does this have to do with Deez Nuts... simple, where does it say that a 15 year old can run for president?

I swear the BIG PROBLEM with our constitution is that too many people are making s**t up and not too many people know the whole story. WE ARE SO SCREWED BECAUSE 9% OF THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR JOKE!



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 20, 2015, 11:07:20 PM
I think it was an 1898 Supreme Court case that provided the official interpretation of the 14th Amendment which created "birthright citizenship" for all children born in the USA.

As for Deez Nuts, that IS a joke.  He would not be permitted to serve if somehow elected because the Constitution does have rather specific rules about certain qualifications for office, and one of those is a minimum age of 35 years.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 20, 2015, 11:35:23 PM
Deez Nuts is the only candidate that speaks for me  :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Alex on August 21, 2015, 05:25:54 AM
In a seperate discussion the wife mentioned to me that North Korea has semi declared was on South Korea today. I told her that as the last really colourful dictator left on now the other ones like Sadam, the Marcos's, Ghadaffi and so on were gone from the world stage he had to stay in the headlines somehow to make up for them. Her reply mentioned that if Trump wins he'll have to share the headlines and it'd be hard to tell which one was the crazier.

From my own more outsider point of view, he is looking like one of the politicians in the UK, Nigel Farrage who is mostly there for comedic relief.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 21, 2015, 06:17:33 AM
I think it was an 1898 Supreme Court case that provided the official interpretation of the 14th Amendment which created "birthright citizenship" for all children born in the USA.

As for Deez Nuts, that IS a joke.  He would not be permitted to serve if somehow elected because the Constitution does have rather specific rules about certain qualifications for office, and one of those is a minimum age of 35 years.


Please note that the 1898 Supreme Court ruling was based on Legal Aliens... So far we DONT have a Supreme Court ruling based on ILLEGAL aliens. (There is a BIG difference between Legal and Illegal - I'm so sick how people keep lumping the Illegal aliens with the Legal aliens.)


The person needs to be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" for it to work.


I do think its sad and scary that people are going to vote for Deez Nuts.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 21, 2015, 11:57:05 AM
I think it's healthy. this election is total bs and people see it. it's all spectacle no substance. It's like American Idol while out country is 18T in debt


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 21, 2015, 12:33:22 PM
I think it's healthy. this election is total bs and people see it. it's all spectacle no substance. It's like American Idol while out country is 18T in debt
I'm not sure about the American Idol argument.

I wasn't planning on voting for Trump (Trump was nowhere in my mind) but the guy took a stand (he said Illegal Aliens need to go) and 90% of the American people seemed to call him racist. Trump kept his stand for weeks and then numbers of people calling him racist seemed to drop. Then one day -  Kathryn Steinle was murdered by an Illegal Alien. The worst part of Kathryn's story is - if the government did their job she would still be alive.

It's sad that somebody was murdered to prove how dangerous this Illegal Alien problem is... but nobody is calling Trump a racist.

My vote is leaning towards Trump right now. I might go back to Scott Walker (but he needs to start calling out Obama).

I guess I don't see this all spectacle no substance part and I think this election is too important for wasted votes like Deez Nuts.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 21, 2015, 05:55:47 PM
So Deez Nuts is a 15 year old kid.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 21, 2015, 05:56:41 PM
I will not be voting this time around. that's my vote: I hate the whole tone and focus of the election


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 22, 2015, 12:23:59 AM
I will not be voting this time around. that's my vote: I hate the whole tone and focus of the election

Sorry to hear that... The election is still months away...

So Deez Nuts is a 15 year old kid.

Yes he is... If we didn't have the age requirement... I might vote for him. :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on August 22, 2015, 07:46:49 AM
Linderbutt McCubbins is my nephew's friend's cat: http://www.limberbutt2016.com/ (http://www.limberbutt2016.com/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 22, 2015, 11:43:47 AM
Skull- well, I also live in Massachusetts which will not under any circumstances ever go red so it doesn't matter if I vote. We haven't had a candidate campaign here in about a thousand years due to electoral college system.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on August 22, 2015, 02:45:00 PM
If I could ask the candidates one question, my question would be, "If you are elected, may I please have a million dollars?"

But my second question would be, "What will you do to stop voter fraud?"

That's an under-reported issue that's more widespread and damaging than is realized. At least it is where I live in the state that supposedly swings all national elections.

I have yet to hear an argument against everyone voting the same day, and after you vote your finger would be marked with ink. (Except perhaps in extreme circumstances that would apply to much than 1% of the people, military on special missions, whatever.)

It's harder to get a library card in Ohio than it is to vote. In 2008, as I said in here at the time, a Cincinnati Enquirer investigation made front page news when it showed there were more registered voters in Hamilton County, Ohio than there were people living there under the census data. (And remember, most people don't even bother to vote to begin with to give you an idea of how much fraud that represented.)

A random sampling of registration info was finding addresses given that if real would have been in the middle of the Ohio River.

One inner city church was found to have baskets of pre-marked ballots stacked in its sanctuary, ready to deliver on election day.

A Cincinnati-area poll worker admitted right to news reporters (and thankfully was later convicted and jailed) that she cast votes all day she sat there, and stubbornly said she'd done it for years, so what?

And on top of all that, now we have at least 41,000,000 foreign citizens trespassing in this country, many of whom are participating in the democratic process right now, and could easily swing the next election.

So my point is, what Americans want may not be reflected in the results of the next election, and that to me one of the most important and yet least often addressed issues we face. In other words, rarely has the electoral process in modern America been less fair, more threatened, or really had less meaning.

So who should be the next President? Is it actually entirely up to us?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 22, 2015, 05:56:47 PM
Bad Lip Reading, Republican Debate Edition:
http://youtu.be/ufGlBv8Z3NU (http://youtu.be/ufGlBv8Z3NU)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 22, 2015, 08:33:11 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CM_YWwmUEAA0iPE.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 22, 2015, 09:00:41 PM
I know this a ways ff, but when will running mates for the candidates be announced?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 22, 2015, 10:28:06 PM
Usually right before the convention next summer.  So about this time next year.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 22, 2015, 11:16:40 PM
The Democratic Convention will be here, in Philadelphia.

Oughta be interesting.   :bouncegiggle: :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 23, 2015, 12:05:54 AM
What is going to happen is Trump is going to divide the Republicun Party-so the Democrats will win by default cuz Trump became the Ultimite Republican-and he is NOT scaring people off-and thinking human beings will elect the best man for the job-LIKE HITLER IN GERMANY .
Yes-I can say s**t about Hitler-Obama is Hitler-Horse cock.-Every ones Hitler in an lection year-! HAHAHAHA!
Fact is-I dont trust No muthaf**kas.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 23, 2015, 07:54:26 AM
Skull- well, I also live in Massachusetts which will not under any circumstances ever go red so it doesn't matter if I vote. We haven't had a candidate campaign here in about a thousand years due to electoral college system.

I live in Chicago... I'm not sure if my vote ever counts for anything.

What is going to happen is Trump is going to divide the Republicun Party-so the Democrats will win by default cuz Trump became the Ultimite Republican-and he is NOT scaring people off-and thinking human beings will elect the best man for the job-LIKE HITLER IN GERMANY .
Yes-I can say s**t about Hitler-Obama is Hitler-Horse cock.-Every ones Hitler in an lection year-! HAHAHAHA!
Fact is-I dont trust No muthaf**kas.

I think he's going to divide both the Republican and Democrat. I do think the 3rd party theory is a little flawed. Back when Ronald Reagan was running a 3rd party didn't seem to work because he already had a hard time to get his message out. And at the time people really believed in party politics.

I know there is a lot of comparisons of ross perot and trump. But they are also flawed too. Ross Perot was not serious, I do think he was there to help Clinton to win. And please note George Bush did win Desert Storm it was doubtful he was going to lose a second term, the only thing they had was, "George Bush was no Ronald Reagan and they kept on telling us about his lie on 'no new taxes'"

Trump is a lot different. Voters are getting sick of both parties. Democrats has been losing elections. And they are getting tired of voting for republicans that are not doing jack.

If Trump was going to repeat Ross Perot then why is the democrats not convicted that Hillary is going to win? They know this is not 1993. They all know the American People are sick of the BS and are looking for a non political President. This is why Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina has been moving up on the polls and Jeb Bush has been falling.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 23, 2015, 08:56:33 AM
Skull- well, I also live in Massachusetts which will not under any circumstances ever go red so it doesn't matter if I vote. We haven't had a candidate campaign here in about a thousand years due to electoral college system.

I live in Chicago... I'm not sure if my vote ever counts for anything.

What is going to happen is Trump is going to divide the Republicun Party-so the Democrats will win by default cuz Trump became the Ultimite Republican-and he is NOT scaring people off-and thinking human beings will elect the best man for the job-LIKE HITLER IN GERMANY .
Yes-I can say s**t about Hitler-Obama is Hitler-Horse cock.-Every ones Hitler in an lection year-! HAHAHAHA!
Fact is-I dont trust No muthaf**kas.

I think he's going to divide both the Republican and Democrat. I do think the 3rd party theory is a little flawed. Back when Ronald Reagan was running a 3rd party didn't seem to work because he already had a hard time to get his message out. And at the time people really believed in party politics.

I know there is a lot of comparisons of ross perot and trump. But they are also flawed too. Ross Perot was not serious, I do think he was there to help Clinton to win. And please note George Bush did win Desert Storm it was doubtful he was going to lose a second term, the only thing they had was, "George Bush was no Ronald Reagan and they kept on telling us about his lie on 'no new taxes'"

Trump is a lot different. Voters are getting sick of both parties. Democrats has been losing elections. And they are getting tired of voting for republicans that are not doing jack.

If Trump was going to repeat Ross Perot then why is the democrats not convicted that Hillary is going to win? They know this is not 1993. They all know the American People are sick of the BS and are looking for a non political President. This is why Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina has been moving up on the polls and Jeb Bush has been falling.



Yer right-the Democrats are not "convicted"-not yet anyway-not like Nixon and Reagan and Bush Jr SHOULD have been-being they were all blatant criminals.
Clinton-not his wife -was guilty of not keeping his dick in his pants-Nixon was INSANE.-Yet he was an intellectual compared to moron Bush Jr-who I still say was the WORST excuse for a national leader this country has ever had short of the evil genocidal Andrew Jackson.
Am I a fan of Hillary?-HELL NO! She's a lying,manliputive b***h-If I was Bill I would have a roving eye too-shes waaay too sneaky. Trump is honest-so was Hitler-yes-the Hitler reference-which-oddly enough-fits in this case. Adolf said quite plainly and spoke to the people of his racist beliefs-as has Trump.
I heard a joke the other day-
A woman is standing in line at the grocery store-she has brown skin and talking a forgein language on the phone-some old white guy is behind her in line-"Ya know-if ya live in this country-ya should learn to speak English-if yer gonna talk Mexican-go back to Mexico!"
She says-"I'm a American Indian-I'm speaking Navaho--If you wanna speak English-go back to England."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 23, 2015, 09:10:14 AM
I wouldnt compare Perot with Trump. Trump and Lyndon LaRouche is a closer  comparison.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 23, 2015, 09:27:21 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CM_YWwmUEAA0iPE.jpg)
This photo kills me-look at the woman with the baby-she looks like an insane teenage Beatle fan circa 1963.
It's an emotional response-did you ever see his lamebrain TV show?
The nadir in "reality" TV-His "reality" is what American Idol is to REAL talent-all mouth and no brains-he's a millionaire who inherited his cash and made millions on real estate conning people out of money and foreclosing on them and collecting cash from hapless fools-he's a lying BANKER.He doesnt need the backing of super pacs-he IS the super pac!
"Thank you Lord Jesus"
Yeah-thank that poor dead guy for this travesty-Christ would roll in his grave-if he didnt rise from it like the living dead and beam up to outer space . Oh-Jesus wouldnt be able to live here-he was from the mideast-he DID NOT have blonde hair or blue eyes like the pictures in your Bible-HE WAS FROM THE MID- EAST!!!

OK-I'm done ranting for now-who do I want for president?
I dont f**king know-its like choosing if I wanna die from bullets or hanging.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 23, 2015, 11:04:10 AM
I might be easier if we discussed who SHOULDN'T be the next president


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 23, 2015, 07:53:50 PM
I might be easier if we discussed who SHOULDN'T be the next president

That would be awesome :)

First, Hillary. I know Benghazi was during her watch but the cover up goes to Obama. He didn't want it to leak that the attack was his mistake because it might cost him some votes in the reelection... so I'm not going to give Hillary complete credit on killing those soldiers. So why shouldn't be president... simple, her email server. Her server was supposed to be protected and controlled by the secret service so leaks will not come out. The idiot thought she was smart by printing all the files (that she seemed to select) and they found three ranks of security clearance files. The cold truth is... people went to jail for a less. There was no reason for her to have a secret server unless she was doing something shady.

Sorry, I have no trust for Hillary.

Second, Jeb Bush... Why do we need Bush number 3?  It's apparent he will be the same Bush number 2 and the last time I check everybody seemed to hate Bush number 2.  I don't think he did anything really bad but I do see the same people that not voted for Mitt Romney in 2012 are not going to vote for Jeb Bush... therefore if he does run, the Democrats would have a sure win.

Sorry, but I don't think the country can make it if another Democrat like Obama is in the white house. I'm surprised that Obama wasn't impeached for sending the UN the Iran Treaty over the House. Although, I'm thinking that Mitch McConnell and John Boehner are secret democrats and there is nothing they are doing that says otherwise (This is why People are loving TRUMP)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 24, 2015, 12:54:59 PM
multiple reports are that Biden is seriously considering a run. I'd welcome it since I think that the left needs a few more candidates, not as many as the dozen plus on the right but it will help the pack in debates.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 24, 2015, 09:53:10 PM
I think the Republicans should loan the Democrats some of their candidates, since the Dems are short of electable politicians.
I'd gladly give them Pataki, Christie, Perry, and maybe Graham.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 25, 2015, 06:04:28 AM
I think the Republicans should loan the Democrats some of their candidates, since the Dems are short of electable politicians.
I'd gladly give them Pataki, Christie, Perry, and maybe Graham.

Dems could take Mark Kirk (since he had voted on almost everything Obama had asked for)

Dems could also take Mitch McConnell and John Boehner since they done nothing that makes them any different then Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi... 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 25, 2015, 10:08:22 AM
Biden is the only one who can beat Hillary. on either side


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 25, 2015, 10:22:03 PM
Not sure on Biden.  Personally.  I wouldn't vote for him and know a few who wouldn't either. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 25, 2015, 11:29:44 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/ (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 26, 2015, 11:12:46 AM
I just had a thought.

If Trump ends up running as an independent what does that do for his chances?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 26, 2015, 01:06:58 PM
not a polling expert but thats what Perot did in 92 and it killed Bush sr's campaign. Since Trump is of course more repub then dem I imagine the same thing would happen?

as for his chances idk


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 26, 2015, 10:39:36 PM
not a polling expert but thats what Perot did in 92 and it killed Bush sr's campaign. Since Trump is of course more repub then dem I imagine the same thing would happen?

as for his chances idk

I think Perot attack Bush for not being a 'real' conservative. I believe Perot took a good number of votes but I'm not sure if those voters would had voted for Bush if Perot wasn't running. The end result was that Clinton won because Perot was a third wheel.

There is a major difference between Perot running and 'if' Trumps becomes a 3rd party player. The difference is Perot was running to take Bush out of the White House; Perot had no intentions in becoming president. Trump is running for the republican seat, he might run for a 3rd party if the Republican party does something shady (Such as removing Trump from the ballad because he didn't pledge loyalty to the party or if Trump is leading during the primary and the Party chooses somebody else)...

If the republican party does something shady in taking Trump out... I will NEVER vote republican again! (I won't vote for democrat either... )



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 26, 2015, 10:56:37 PM
My great fear is that Trump is ultimately unelectable.  He is petty, vindictive, and shallow, and his response to criticism is to lash out at the critic with vicious personal attacks.  That's simply not Presidential.  He may well win enough votes to get the Republican nomination, but then he will offend enough people to lose the general election and we'll have another four years of budget-busting Democratic rule.  There are so many better candidates out there . . . I just hope one of them overtakes him.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 27, 2015, 12:36:59 AM
Republicans went with electable the last two elections and they lost though. They need someone who can fire up the base.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 27, 2015, 06:12:47 AM
I never thought John McCain was electable. He was a sacrificial lamb, nothing more.
Of course, to be honest, 2008 was going to be a Democratic year no matter what.  You get those every now and then.  2012 was one the GOP had a shot at winning and came close, but Romney, after a strong start, began pulling his punches.  I'll be honest: I'm a lifelong Republican voter, but if Trump is the nominee, I will write in Cthulhu or Darth Vader instead.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 27, 2015, 07:22:23 PM
Whatever the reasons McCain and Romney lost they did lose so it would be a little bizarre to run the same kind of candidate again. Bush will lose in similar fashion if the same people vote for / against him. If you KNEW the GOP were going to lose who would you choose? I'd say ted Cruz because thats where most Republicans are, in terms of the platform I think. He's the most conservative and not in a cheeseball corporate way the way the other guys are. protecting monied interests and so forth


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 27, 2015, 10:48:32 PM
I'm a huge Marco Rubio fan.  He also stacks up very well against all three top Democratic contenders in several polls.
Cruz has burned too many bridges and made too many enemies.  He's a flamethrower rather than a problem solver, and America desperately needs a problem solver.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Derf on August 28, 2015, 04:48:46 AM
I can't say I'm a big fan of any of the people running. I would say that the deciding factor may end up being people's perception of Obama. If they feel like the country is better off now than after Bush, they'll vote Democrat again. If not, they'll vote Republican, whoever is running. People tend toward reactionary votes, voting against someone at least as much as they vote for someone. Obama won in large part because people perceived Bush as a bad president and because Obama presented himself as a reasonable person. I didn't vote for him, but I admired the way he carried himself the first time he ran. He even won a Nobel for not being Bush. The question then becomes whether more people think he's done a good job or a bad job. The next set of candidates have to present themselves well, of course, but Obama's presidency will be a big part of people's voting preference.

One of the things the Republican candidate, regardless of who that may be, needs to do is to avoid the attack mentality that has predominated Republican campaign strategy over the last several decades. I remember back when Bob Dole was trying to run. He came across as a sour, angry man. After Bush got the nomination, Dole appeared on a late night talk show. He was relaxed, smiling, and was genuinely charming and funny. If he had presented himself that way on the campaign trail, I think he would have done better. People seem to be growing very tired of the negative campaign style. Candidates would do well to note that trend.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 28, 2015, 07:21:30 PM



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If the republican party does something shady in taking Trump out... I will NEVER vote republican again! (I won't vote for democrat either... )


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A politictian do something shady???  :buggedout:
Heaven forfend!
 :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: retrorussell on August 29, 2015, 01:47:03 AM
http://youtu.be/lsCdD5AUgNA (http://youtu.be/lsCdD5AUgNA)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 29, 2015, 04:10:00 AM
G'head-build a wall.Chump!

(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah192/mydoginky/gfp_zpsibfl81wl.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/mydoginky/media/gfp_zpsibfl81wl.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on August 29, 2015, 06:42:28 PM
So far, I'm not really digging anyone.  Except Rand Paul.  

Or...somebody find Henry Rollins and ask him to run. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 29, 2015, 07:02:08 PM
The thing is with ALL these a***oles-its all NEGATIVE.
I dont hear JACK s**t what ANYONE  will do that is f**king NICE.
Chump want to get rid of Mexicans-his version of Mein Kampf-Hitler hated Jews-this rich spoiled brat f**ker hates Mexicans-what a wonderful world we live in.
This petty scumbag is actually being considerd as being the leader of the f**king free world.
Good f**king gawd.
We have become a nation of TV ratings.
Its all about presentation.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 29, 2015, 07:10:42 PM
Biden is the only one who can beat Hillary. on either side

If the email server issue keeps sticking around I think Bernie, Biden if he runs and if his momentum keeps up Trump have a great shot to beat her.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on August 31, 2015, 03:37:19 AM
I can't vote but if I could, I would go for Deez Nutz.  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 02, 2015, 05:58:14 AM
I can't vote but if I could, I would go for Deez Nutz.  :wink:


lol

I'm not sure about the rules of voting anymore (my dad has been dead for over 15 years and I believe he's still voting multiple of times during each election...)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: justme2013 on September 02, 2015, 06:36:45 AM
I'm going to have to use my absentee ballot and vote I think, and if Bernie makes it he'll be getting my vote. I am hoping that the conservatives don't let Trump get the nomination though because I am getting a good idea that he won't be respected on the international level at all or on the national level by any immigrant groups, minority groups, or most women's rights groups.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 02, 2015, 07:33:03 AM
I'm going to have to use my absentee ballot and vote I think, and if Bernie makes it he'll be getting my vote. I am hoping that the conservatives don't let Trump get the nomination though because I am getting a good idea that he won't be respected on the international level at all or on the national level by any immigrant groups, minority groups, or most women's rights groups.

Bernie is interesting. He was supposed to make Hillary look good. But he's looking good to the democrat voters. Sadly, the democrat party don't want Bernie because he's not willing to work with the 1%. (This is something that most democrat voters seemed to miss to understand the democrat party... they are the 1%).

As for Republicans and Trump... (it's like the flip side of Bernie) The republicans want Bush to become president because he too is willing to work with the 1%. Bush plan was to win the primary by sucking up all the major donors, also part of the republican plan was to dump a lot of candidates in the race... therefore making it difficult for the other republican candidates to get donation money (this is why we have 14/15 republicans running). The problem (before I get to Trump)... I do believe nobody wants to deal with Bush 3 especially when the news made Bush 2 the worst president ever... Second, 90% of the Republican voters of the 2010 and the 2014 election is angry at the Republican party for not doing what they are elected to do (Stop working with the president)... Trump seemed to be the only Republican Candidate that seemed to work with those angry Republican voters. The republican voters are not looking to vote for Trump because he's a jerk (and he says stupid stuff)... They are looking to vote for Trump because he will express how displeased they are with the current situation and they want change. (I'm not sure if Trump could fix the issues but it's interesting to watch)

Please note that Trump is not just picking up Republican Voters... (Immigrants, Minority and Women's groups are looking to vote for Trump)


Sadly I'm loosing faith with Scott Walker. Canada Wall... seriously! (It seems he is copying Trump)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on September 02, 2015, 12:32:43 PM
Zippy The Chimp


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on September 02, 2015, 12:38:29 PM

Sadly I'm loosing faith with Scott Walker. Canada Wall... seriously! (It seems he is copying Trump)


That was real? I thought that was an Onion joke.  :question:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 02, 2015, 04:11:54 PM
Huma

(https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/huma.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 02, 2015, 05:07:33 PM

Sadly I'm loosing faith with Scott Walker. Canada Wall... seriously! (It seems he is copying Trump)


That was real? I thought that was an Onion joke.  :question:

Yup

That idiot is governor of my state


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 02, 2015, 10:59:01 PM
Dr. Ben Carson is looking better and better in the polls!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on September 02, 2015, 11:22:25 PM
Been sayin' it for years....

The weekend before the elections, be it the presidential, mid terms, off year, etc., every horror show host should show Triumph Of The Will, so that everyone can know how a rrreeeaaalllyyy bad idea can look really good...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 03, 2015, 06:40:11 AM
Dr. Ben Carson is looking better and better in the polls!


Agree Ben Carson is looking good but I'm afraid that Obama, playing the race card a million times, might screw Ben Carson in the primary. I also don't trust Obama, I really have doubts he would allow a second black man in becoming president after him, and Ben Carson is a republican too (it doesnt go well when the Democrats are still making the slaves out of the black votes). I'm finger pointing Obama for not allowing this because I do believe 110% that it was Obama that took out Herman Cain in the primary. I was willing to vote for Cain but it was funny how all these woman came out screaming about sexual misconduct and they were coming from Chicago (and when Cain drops out the women are silent again).

Part of me feel that the attack on Bill Cosby is made up. I don't get why those women waited until the guy was 78 years old. I don't get why they didn't call him out in the 1980's (there was a giant anti-rape movement in the 80's. I know for years Bill Cosby spoke how the Democrat party has been killing the black family for years... So this stuff with women coming out and saying how he had raped them feels like revenge too me. I guess I'm the only guy that thinks this issue with Bill Cosby is BS but it seemed too much like a bad movie setup too me.

So I'm going to take a wild guess, when Ben Carson starts to do good in the primary, something is going to come out that will make him look like a creep. (I don't think it's true but this is how dirty the democrats are when a black man is doing well without the support of the democrat party).

And if you think I'm full of beans... look at the Clarence Thomas stuff while he was being appointed.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on September 03, 2015, 09:26:27 AM
Just to let you guys know, I got my fall newsletter from the Illuminati today (oh, Mrs. Rothschild's had her baby!) and we've already decided who the next President's going to be, so ya'll can relax (keep paying those taxes!) and let us do your thinking.

Xala, Xalier, Xalati forever!



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on September 03, 2015, 09:40:59 PM
If Gary Johnson ran again, I'd vote. 
http://youtu.be/toaFfZ1S7UQ (http://youtu.be/toaFfZ1S7UQ)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 09, 2015, 08:28:44 PM
John McAffee is throwing his name in the hat

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34196983 (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34196983)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 09, 2015, 09:54:05 PM
John McAffee is throwing his name in the hat

[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34196983[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34196983[/url])



Would this mean no more hacking the government computers...



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on September 10, 2015, 07:41:03 AM
I saw McAfee's first campaign video and there were no strippers in it, so I lost interest.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 11, 2015, 07:18:21 PM
Rick Perry bowed out

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/11/rick-perry-quits-presidential-campaign/?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/11/rick-perry-quits-presidential-campaign/?_r=0)

updated score card coming shortly


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 11, 2015, 07:26:16 PM
Updated score card.

Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul,  George Pataki, Ben Carson, Bobby Jindal, Lindsey Graham, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Scott Walker, Carly Fiorina, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders, Hilary Clinton, Jim Webb, Lincoln Chafee and Martin O'Malley.

Independents: John McAfee.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 12, 2015, 04:26:26 AM
politics-I like this-lets blow us all up!
https://youtu.be/N1KvgtEnABY (https://youtu.be/N1KvgtEnABY)

http://youtu.be/N1KvgtEnABY (http://youtu.be/N1KvgtEnABY)
My loss of essence is made up by my big gun.
Radical Muslims cover there women because they are afraid of sex-if they would just chill and hang out it cheezy singles bars-Ill bet they would be happy....I would be. :drink:
http://youtu.be/VVadWk7ufZs (http://youtu.be/VVadWk7ufZs)

Push PLAY on both these videos at the same time-smoke pot or have a couple drinks-I realized-this is the coming of the f**king 3rd Hitler-Donald Trump is the last angel of death.
BOOOOO!
Trump is a moron-wont get threw the front door even if he becomes President-because hes a Hitler.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 12, 2015, 04:51:18 AM
Thing is-there should be a NO PARTY All backyard lights will be cut down with chainsaws.-yeah- I know I spelt that wrong-Im a Troyskyite myself.


I been listening to a lot of Pistols! Maybe because? Like old punk and new start


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 12, 2015, 07:15:36 AM
Rick Perry bowed out

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/11/rick-perry-quits-presidential-campaign/?_r=0[/url] ([url]http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/11/rick-perry-quits-presidential-campaign/?_r=0[/url])

updated score card coming shortly



Smart Move... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 17, 2015, 08:15:51 PM
Last night I watched the GOP debate with 18 of my high school students, mostly juniors and seniors.
Tonight, I wrote about it in my blog.  Take a read if you are so inclined.


This week's blog post:  PIZZA AND POLITICS: Watching the GOP debate with my students!

http://lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com/ (http://lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 18, 2015, 10:07:55 PM
Last night I watched the GOP debate with 18 of my high school students, mostly juniors and seniors.
Tonight, I wrote about it in my blog.  Take a read if you are so inclined.


This week's blog post:  PIZZA AND POLITICS: Watching the GOP debate with my students!

[url]http://lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com/[/url] ([url]http://lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com/[/url])


 I agree on most of that stuff-but you mostly focused on the PERSONALITIES-not the policys-that is whats wrong with all politics-and always has been-Trump is proof of that-course nobody really checks out his ideas or policys-they just like the old black brain surgeon guy-who dosnt have a clue how to run s**t.
Nobody really does.
Oh Hitler did-kinda-in a self destructive evil way.
He appealed to folks EMOTIONS.
Thats ALL that politictions do.
Thats there job.
They LIE for a living-and the ones who actually believe there own bulls**t become Hitlers.
So if Trump wins-we as a nation are sheep. Heil Trump!
Clinton wont win-cuz folks think of her as a nasty smartass b***h..
Carson might take it all-because-as you said-hes a nice guy and hes BLACK.
The black voice is so important in this country more than old white f**ks know,


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 18, 2015, 11:22:49 PM
(https://christinarosendahl.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/babar-waves-hello.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 19, 2015, 12:37:51 AM
(https://christinarosendahl.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/babar-waves-hello.jpg)
Lester-dont even act like yer impartial-cuz I know you aint.
Dont be scared to talk yer mind-I know yer a smart guy-say what ya think man! Dont just post clever cartoons! Dont be a p***y! Say someting-if yer gonna post-say something-clever cartoons dont hang,,,man.
s**t man-wtf does a cartoon of f**king Babar even kinda mean?
Grow up,man.Yer clever s**t dont hang.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 19, 2015, 01:23:40 AM
I have never voted-because every single idiot who has ever won as president is FULL OF s**t.
Jimmy Carter was the last good president. Nixon? ARG! Reagan? Holy s**t. He  was a nazi f**k that all Republicans suck his dead dick.
 Bush and Jr-no comment on those tools-Clinton-the guy was a big mouth.
Obama-he is ok-but a***oles wont let him do s**t.
(I mean Congress-you f**king a***oles).


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 19, 2015, 08:05:23 AM
Jimmy Carter?  Really! I consider him a nice guy but a horrible failure.

Reagan?  The only truly great President of my lifetime.

So I guess you could say we are pretty different in our views.

Since this is America, we get to be that way!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 19, 2015, 10:20:11 AM
Quote
Dont be a p***y! Say someting-if yer gonna post-say something-clever cartoons dont hang,,,man

RC is like the guy at work who thinks he's the boss





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 19, 2015, 02:15:29 PM
Quote
Dont be a p***y! Say someting-if yer gonna post-say something-clever cartoons dont hang,,,man

RC is like the guy at work who thinks he's the boss





Nah-because the boss is the first guy to get blamed for s**t when it f**ks up-I'm actually a loser-I b***h about our Presidents-yet I don't vote-so-it's idiots like me who b***h about s**t yet do nothing to change it.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on September 19, 2015, 02:40:45 PM
Quote
Dont be a p***y! Say someting-if yer gonna post-say something-clever cartoons dont hang,,,man

RC is like the guy at work who thinks he's the boss

Nah-because the boss is the first guy to get blamed for s**t when it f**ks up-I'm actually a loser-I b***h about our Presidents-yet I don't vote-so-it's idiots like me who b***h about s**t yet do nothing to change it.
 
RC, I think Lester does not realize that at times RC =  :drink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 19, 2015, 04:20:56 PM
Babar > Jimmy Carter

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/LindaLovelaceForPresident.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 20, 2015, 08:48:38 AM
I have never voted-because every single idiot who has ever won as president is FULL OF s**t.
Jimmy Carter was the last good president. Nixon? ARG! Reagan? Holy s**t. He  was a nazi f**k that all Republicans suck his dead dick.
 Bush and Jr-no comment on those tools-Clinton-the guy was a big mouth.
Obama-he is ok-but a***oles wont let him do s**t.
(I mean Congress-you f**king a***oles).


OMG... your the first person (maybe the only person) that said "Jimmy Carter was the last good president" I think Jimmy should give you a big hug. (I do believe that once history tells the full story of Obama you'll be almost correct that Jimmy Carter wasn't that bad of a president.)

As an American you do have the right not to vote and you still have the right to b***h about it too... I do agree there are too many a***oles in government but that's because too many people are voting for Santa :)

PS I think the worst that OBAMA had done was stabbing the police officers in the back. Shooting of Michael Brown was justified (there was enough evidence to prove that) but Obama used the killing to motivate his voters and started this anti-police officer movement.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 21, 2015, 05:15:28 PM
Scott Walker dropped out

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/scott-walker-to-drop-out-of-race-wisconsin-gov-129589793111.html (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/scott-walker-to-drop-out-of-race-wisconsin-gov-129589793111.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 21, 2015, 05:16:53 PM
Updated score card.

Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul,  George Pataki, Ben Carson, Bobby Jindal, Lindsey Graham, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Carly Fiorina, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders, Hilary Clinton, Jim Webb, Lincoln Chafee and Martin O'Malley.

Independents: John McAfee.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 21, 2015, 09:03:52 PM
Is Gilmore still in?  He didn't show up at the "Happy Hour" debate last week.
Some of these guys that are at 0 and 1% really need to drop out.  Thinking you can
still take it all with those kinds of numbers is nothing but pure egotism.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 21, 2015, 09:26:13 PM
Is Gilmore still in?  He didn't show up at the "Happy Hour" debate last week.
Some of these guys that are at 0 and 1% really need to drop out.  Thinking you can
still take it all with those kinds of numbers is nothing but pure egotism.


After some digging it looks like Gilmore didn't even qualify for the early debate.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/GOP-Debate-Jim-Gilmore-Social-Media-Twitter/2015/09/16/id/691904/ (http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/GOP-Debate-Jim-Gilmore-Social-Media-Twitter/2015/09/16/id/691904/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 22, 2015, 06:24:01 AM
I've already X'd him out on my scorecard at school . . . today I get to draw an X thru Walker.  Wonder who will go next?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 22, 2015, 10:19:31 AM
I've already X'd him out on my scorecard at school . . . today I get to draw an X thru Walker.  Wonder who will go next?

Yeah I'm a little sad by this because I did like Scott Walker. Now I'm full time Trump supporter...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on September 22, 2015, 01:54:55 PM
Kanye West in 2020. At least, he said that he was going to run for President in 2020.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 22, 2015, 04:21:14 PM
Kanye West in 2020. At least, he said that he was going to run for President in 2020.

If Trump fails then I'll be happy to vote for Kanye West :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 22, 2015, 04:27:02 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if Lindsey Graham,  Rick Santorum, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore all it quits soon.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 22, 2015, 11:35:40 PM
They need to, they have less chance of securing the nomination than I do right now.

Me, I'm an "anybody BUT Trump" kinda guy.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 23, 2015, 04:15:14 PM
Last year I thought Christie wouldn't be so bad if he ended up winning the bridge troubles killed that idea for me.  He came off a petty bully, like Trump does to me now.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on September 24, 2015, 07:38:00 PM
Quote
Dont be a p***y! Say someting-if yer gonna post-say something-clever cartoons dont hang,,,man

RC is like the guy at work who thinks he's the boss

Nah-because the boss is the first guy to get blamed for s**t when it f**ks up-I'm actually a loser-I b***h about our Presidents-yet I don't vote-so-it's idiots like me who b***h about s**t yet do nothing to change it.
 
RC, I think Lester does not realize that at times RC =  :drink:
This.  So much.  But it's why I love him.   :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 24, 2015, 07:53:20 PM
They need to, they have less chance of securing the nomination than I do right now.

Me, I'm an "anybody BUT Trump" kinda guy.


I would vote for Alex Trebeck-whos show is better.
I Like Alex-hes nice if you win or lose-Trump just says "LOSER!"
I mean-if were gonna vote into the highest power on the f**kin PLANET-lets give it to DONALD TRUMP.
Why not that fat inter bred beauty contest kid.
Or Bigfoot hunters.
I would vote for Jello Biafra!
No,I wouldnt-Im one of those folks who b***h about politics and refuse to vote.
But there is a saying-"If you choose not to choose that means you have made a choice."
Thats actually a song,I think-RUSH I think!
But Tiana surprised me with a John Deere riding lawn mower!
I wanna vote for THIS man! :thumbup: :cheers:
Not Jesus-Al Green!!!!
! :drink:

I got a John Deere!
I BELIEVE!

http://youtu.be/CslaDEc2PS8 (http://youtu.be/CslaDEc2PS8)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on September 24, 2015, 07:56:37 PM
They need to, they have less chance of securing the nomination than I do right now.

Me, I'm an "anybody BUT Trump" kinda guy.


I would vote for Alex Trebeck-whos show is better.
I Like Alex-hes nice if you win or lose-Trump just says "LOSER!"
I mean-if were gonna vote into the highest power on the f**kin PLANET-lets give it to DONALD TRUMP.
Why not that fat inter bred beauty contest kid.
Or Bigfoot hunters.
I would vote for Jello Biafra!
No,I wouldnt-Im one of those folks who b***h about politics and refuse to vote.
But there is a saying-"If you choose not to choose that means you have made a choice."
Thats actually a song,I think-RUSH I think!
But Tiana surprised me with a John Deere riding lawn mower!
I wanna vote for THIS man! :thumbup: :cheers:
Not Jesus-Al Green!!!!
! :drink:

I got a John Deere!
I BELIEVE!

[url]http://youtu.be/CslaDEc2PS8[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/CslaDEc2PS8[/url])


I b***h about politics, too.  I end up voting Libertarian. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 24, 2015, 09:38:21 PM
Riding mowers are the shizzle!  I was making the rounds on my Cub Cadet this afternoon.
Congrats, RC! :teddyr: :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 29, 2015, 07:38:03 AM
Trump's tax plan looks promising. I do have doubts that 90% of it would come true but it's nice to hear a 'plan' that seemed better then getting presents from President Santa.

It sort of reminded me of Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan...  :smile:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 07, 2015, 07:42:27 AM
Trump's lead is diminishing, the same can be said for Hillary.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-just-121349415.html (https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-just-121349415.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 07, 2015, 10:47:48 AM
bob- that article seems to be saying the opposite?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 10, 2015, 12:01:44 AM
Trump cant tell jam from jelly.
Know why?
"Ok Ronny-why?"
Cuz I cant jelly my d%ck up his ass!
 :bouncegiggle:
Sorry-I know this is important-but I just heard that joke today and I just put Trumps name in front of it-cuz its a funny joke  :drink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 10, 2015, 10:36:01 AM
Ron this is a serious thread I know you can do better than that. what does that even mean?

that kind of joke can't hang   :thumbdown:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 10, 2015, 01:03:06 PM
My work hours have been crazy, the last I saw Trump had a massive lead on the other republican candidates and Hillary had a bigger lead on the dems.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 10, 2015, 08:42:53 PM
Ron this is a serious thread I know you can do better than that. what does that even mean?

that kind of joke can't hang   :thumbdown:

It means Im a dumb ass!
I thought you knew that already :tongueout:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 14, 2015, 11:24:36 AM
It sounds like Hillary cleaned up at the Dem debate. I didn't watch it but my twitter feed was in overdrive. I think dems flirtation with Sanders is coming to end. just not "presidential" enough to throw Hillary over for. He represents their idealism but Hillary represents their practical ness.

remember Nixon talking to the JFK painting "When people look at you they see what they want to be, when they look at me they see what they are!"


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 14, 2015, 02:23:06 PM
The big question in my mind is who are the next few people to drop out on both sides.

I have a feeling Jim Webb, Rick Santorum, Martin O'Malley, Lincoln Chafee and George Pataki will bow out very soon.

As for the debate last night, I wanted to watch but couldn't because of work. I think Bernie still has a shot against Hillary, and he is my preferred democratic candidate, but he badly needs some more momentum to make more of a dent in her numbers.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 14, 2015, 04:58:27 PM
I watched the entire debate last night - a painful experience for this Republican! :teddyr:

Bernie scares me to death.  "Free everything for everybody!  Death to the millionaires!"

Has no one told him our national debt is $18 trillion?  There's not enough wealth out there to tax to put a dent in that, much less to do all the other things that he has in mind.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: retrorussell on October 14, 2015, 05:07:44 PM
Whoever's president should have a good rap song like this one:
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjWevEa-zWw#)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: alandhopewell on October 15, 2015, 01:44:30 PM
     The way things are going, him....

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e6/c1/9b/e6c19bf25cb47556850311c91f8d9944.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 16, 2015, 10:11:33 PM
Why do we need Presidents?
We got computers and gadgets and robots and s**t to do this for use.
YAHHHHHAAAOOO!
WAKE UP!

http://youtu.be/KdUmUFuPjqM (http://youtu.be/KdUmUFuPjqM)



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 20, 2015, 01:19:25 PM
Jim Webb dropped out for the Democratic nomination, but is leaving the door open as possible running as an independent.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/20/450239642/jim-webb-ends-his-presidential-campaign?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=us (http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/20/450239642/jim-webb-ends-his-presidential-campaign?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=us)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 20, 2015, 01:21:34 PM
Updated score card.

Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul,  George Pataki, Ben Carson, Bobby Jindal, Lindsey Graham, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Carly Fiorina, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders, Hilary Clinton,  Lincoln Chafee and Martin O'Malley.

Independents: John McAfee.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 20, 2015, 10:05:30 PM
Why do we need Presidents?
We got computers and gadgets and robots and s**t to do this for use.
YAHHHHHAAAOOO!
WAKE UP!
[url]http://youtu.be/KdUmUFuPjqM[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/KdUmUFuPjqM[/url])
Who you tryin' to wake up? 



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 21, 2015, 08:17:39 AM
Why do we need Presidents?

One word: Leader



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 21, 2015, 02:51:17 PM
Biden won't be running

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-opts-out-of-presidential-race/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-opts-out-of-presidential-race/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 21, 2015, 03:55:50 PM
Biden won't be running

[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-opts-out-of-presidential-race/[/url] ([url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-opts-out-of-presidential-race/[/url])


lol this announcement looks like CYA... I think his announcement was intended to allow him to run if Hillary gets hit very bad with the benghazi hearings. As I recall, the last time they wanted to talk to her about benghazi she suddenly became MIA with a sickness. Then when she'd seemed to be ok, she came out and said 'This is almost a year ago, what difference does it make' (ok she said something like that). But the point is - Hillary prolonged the her testimony and she might do the same.

PS - I don't give Hillary 100% of the credit of benghazi... This was Obama's doing because he came out weeks before telling the American people that the terror is dead... and it would look bad if he was wrong (especially a few months before the election).


I also think the email thing is looking very bad for Hillary. (Really, people had gone to jail for a lessor offence)


I find it so hard to believe she is running for the white house.
 



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 21, 2015, 04:53:23 PM
With Biden out of the running, there is now only one candidate who can GUARANTEE a Democratic victory next November . . .
DONALD TRUMP. :buggedout:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on October 22, 2015, 12:27:25 AM
With Biden out of the running, there is now only one candidate who can GUARANTEE a Democratic victory next November . . .
DONALD TRUMP. :buggedout:
$20 saids that Trump is rigging the polls.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 26, 2015, 02:15:34 PM
In the last few days  Lincoln Chafee dropped out.

http://news.yahoo.com/chafee-ends-presidential-campaign-122802164--election.html;_ylt=A0LEVj_nei5W76IAjgNjmolQ (http://news.yahoo.com/chafee-ends-presidential-campaign-122802164--election.html;_ylt=A0LEVj_nei5W76IAjgNjmolQ)

Updated score card.

Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul,  George Pataki, Ben Carson, Bobby Jindal, Lindsey Graham, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Carly Fiorina, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders, Martin O'Malley and Hilary Clinton.

Independents: John McAfee.

Martin O'Malley will soon follow in the footsteps of Chafee I think.

It's kind of surreal to think that there's three dems still running and over a dozen republicans at this stage.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on October 28, 2015, 07:49:51 AM
So Ben Carson has surged past Trump in the GOP lead, mainly with his demeanor.  I like his demeanor, but man is he really nuts when you get down to his program, imho.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on October 28, 2015, 09:07:00 AM
Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson,  Carly Fiorina

These in my unbiased and non-political opinion will be the last Rep people standing come next year.  :smile:

I wish all Americans - especially my family here - the best, Rep or Dem.  :smile:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on October 28, 2015, 09:08:27 AM

I wish all Americans - especially my family here - the best, Rep or Dem.  :smile:

What about those of us who would consider it a blood insult to be called either?  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 28, 2015, 11:21:41 PM
Had a lot of fun watching the GOP debate with my students tonight!
CNBC Moderators were so bad the crowd booed them several times.
Tonight's blog is my reaction, and scorecard for the night:

http://lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com/ (http://lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on October 29, 2015, 01:06:44 AM

I wish all Americans - especially my family here - the best, Rep or Dem.  :smile:

What about those of us who would consider it a blood insult to be called either?  :wink:

 :buggedout: :buggedout: :wink: :wink:

Oops: all are included.  :smile:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 29, 2015, 12:02:17 PM
Whenever a fascist party runs in some country people say "if they win, it'll be the last election".

I'm starting to see the appeal of fascism.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on November 04, 2015, 07:50:28 AM
I'm impartial but I did have a  :bouncegiggle: at President Obama's comment about the candidates complaining about the CNBC debate and him saying that if they couldn't deal with those guys, how could they deal with Putin and China?  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on November 06, 2015, 01:32:41 PM
Lindsay Lohan

No, but . . .?! She is making noises about running in 2020. Though . . .?! If she is elected, which is doubtful, it'd require a constitutional amendment for her to serve, as even in 2020, she'd not have reached the minimum age to serve as president.

Less doubtful is lowering the minimum voting age to 14, as people are already making some noise about that, or . . .

Fact meets fiction, or, is that fiction meets fact, as . . .

That is what happened in the film "Wild in the Streets" from 1968.

And while that was not, contrary to belief, Richard Pryor's motion picture debut, he doing that an year earlier in "The Busy Body," he did appear in the film as a character called Stanley X, which was clearly based upon the real life Malcolm X.

Actually, oddly enough or maybe not, Richard made his acting debut in a episode of "The Wild Wild West" from 1966.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on November 06, 2015, 03:06:34 PM
Kanye West said he's running in 2020, I doubt that will come to fruition.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: tracy on November 06, 2015, 03:39:27 PM
I find having an opinion this year,as in the last couple of elections,almost impossible. There is not one single candidate that I could trust or even like a little. In between the self-serving liars and the openly stupid I am beyond frustrated. Even the "Washington Outsiders" don't have a clue how to fix this country. And they are closer to the public than the career politicians. Anyone smart enough to do something is probably saying,"Me? President? NO WAY!". I just don't think I will be able to vote for any of these clowns.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on November 07, 2015, 12:39:45 PM
I'm impartial but I did have a  :bouncegiggle: at President Obama's comment about the candidates complaining about the CNBC debate and him saying that if they couldn't deal with those guys, how could they deal with Putin and China?  :teddyr:

I love how Obama talk... Hay, didn't he refused to debate on fox (Oh yes he did)...

Also, I wouldn't call Obama dealing with Putin and China (it seemed that Putin and China are calling the


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on November 07, 2015, 10:50:14 PM
I don't care for Trump at all, but those videos are just bad politics.

Anytime you have little kids screaming obscenities at the camera to make their parents' talking points, you lose me.  I don't care WHO you're for or against.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: retrorussell on November 08, 2015, 03:09:59 AM
(https://img0.etsystatic.com/000/1/6477665/il_570xN.316459072.jpg)
(http://www.dailydiscord.com/resources/JoeWalshForPresident.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on November 17, 2015, 11:59:41 PM
Bobby Jindal finally gave up, he never had a chance. I think Graham and Huckabee with follow suit soon.


Updated score card.

Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul,  George Pataki, Ben Carson, Lindsey Graham, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Carly Fiorina, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders, Hilary Clinton and Martin O'Malley.

Independents: John McAfee.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on November 18, 2015, 06:46:24 AM
I'd really like to see the bottom four or so on the GOP side drop out.  Pataki, Graham, and Paul especially.

Of course, I'd love to see Trump drop out, but that's not gonna happen any time soon. :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on November 22, 2015, 06:22:27 PM
I'd really like to see the bottom four or so on the GOP side drop out.  Pataki, Graham, and Paul especially.

Of course, I'd love to see Trump drop out, but that's not gonna happen any time soon. :lookingup:

I think Trumps numbers are improving as long as the terror is attacking in Europe and the NEWS are reporting *fake* news. I do think it's best for anybody under the top 4 should drop out (that's means Bush is out! And once again, with 4 years of bad news about Bush 1 and 8 years of bad news  about Bush 2 - I don't know why the Rhinos would think we are going to elect a Bush 3)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Alex on November 27, 2015, 05:27:26 AM
Was reading about Trump apparently mocking some disabled reporter and it made me wonder something. Are any of the news channels in the states tracking the minorities Trump has offended so far on some kind of scorecard to see if he can get the full set?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on November 27, 2015, 07:05:15 AM
Are any of the news channels in the states tracking the minorities Trump has offended so far on some kind of scorecard to see if he can get the full set?

He certainly offended me with this stupid tweet:

Quote
Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

As I have long been saying, South Africa is a total - and very dangerous - mess. Just watch the evening news (when not talking weather).

I liked the guy but not after this.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on November 27, 2015, 09:12:59 AM
I just don't understand how ANYONE thinks this guy can win with his track record of offending EVERYBODY on a regular basis.
What a jackwagon!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 27, 2015, 12:02:33 PM
I am 90% certain Trump will win the White House. For the Democrats.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on December 21, 2015, 03:54:05 PM
Graham dropped out.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/12/21/graham-abandons-presidential-bid/77690620/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/12/21/graham-abandons-presidential-bid/77690620/)

Updated score card.

Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul,  George Pataki, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Carly Fiorina, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders, Hilary Clinton and Martin O'Malley.

Independents: John McAfee.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on December 21, 2015, 04:02:30 PM
Wait - Gilmore is still in this thing?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on December 22, 2015, 11:15:17 AM
I think so.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on December 22, 2015, 01:11:49 PM
The media really liked Graham which is telling. He wanted to start more wars, which regardless of how you feel about that means more stuff for them to cover. They probably also liked how unpopular he was with voters, who they hate.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on December 31, 2015, 07:11:51 PM
George Pataki dropped out

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/29/461427557/george-pataki-ending-his-presidential-bid?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=politics (http://www.npr.org/2015/12/29/461427557/george-pataki-ending-his-presidential-bid?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=politics)

Updated score card.

Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Carly Fiorina, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders, Hilary Clinton and Martin O'Malley.

Independents: John McAfee


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Raffine on December 31, 2015, 07:35:11 PM
Has anyone posted these?

If not, shame on you, Badmovies.org!  :teddyr:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVcPRr_ounc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVcPRr_ounc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUxPHJ36u0w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUxPHJ36u0w)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on January 06, 2016, 04:26:15 PM
Gary Johnson threw his name into the hat.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/01/06/gary-johnson-announces-libertarian-run-president (http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/01/06/gary-johnson-announces-libertarian-run-president)

Updated score card.

Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Carly Fiorina, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders, Hilary Clinton and Martin O'Malley.

Independents: John McAfee and Gary Johnson.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 06, 2016, 09:38:02 PM
Johnson is too much of a stoner. Libertarians should nominate someone from the more vital Ron Paul wing of the party. They are out there generally young, smart, pro life and pro civil liberties. ex: Amash, Massie


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on January 06, 2016, 10:01:38 PM
I'm Libertarian.

I'd vote for Johnson. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 01, 2016, 08:53:40 PM
Rubio comes off as a dumbed down, right wing version of Obama in this. just not my style

http://youtu.be/FtZLnpW7FX4 (http://youtu.be/FtZLnpW7FX4)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on February 02, 2016, 12:26:12 AM
I was totally inspired by him!  I am backing Rubio 1000% this year!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on February 02, 2016, 12:26:38 AM
Ted Cruz won Iowa.....


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on February 02, 2016, 01:02:19 AM
Huckabee and Martin O'Malley both dropped out.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/02/01/Cruz-wins-Iowa-caucus-Clinton-and-Sanders-nearly-tied/9241454380172/ (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/02/01/Cruz-wins-Iowa-caucus-Clinton-and-Sanders-nearly-tied/9241454380172/)

Updated score card.

Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, Ben Carson, Rick Santorum, Carly Fiorina, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders and Hilary Clinton.

Independents: John McAfee and Gary Johnson.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on February 02, 2016, 01:35:55 AM
Ted Cruz won Iowa.....

He should change his campaign slogan to Teddy and The Cruisers  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on February 02, 2016, 06:00:53 PM
Hlilary barely beat Bernie in Iowa.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 03, 2016, 10:38:13 AM
^barely

Rand dropped out. too libertarian for the GOP, not libertarian enough for his Dad's followers. He's better in the Senate I think.

This election would be a lot more interesting if Hillary hadn't run or if dems had dispensed with her the way the GOP thankfully did Jeb.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 03, 2016, 11:14:31 AM
Hlilary barely beat Bernie in Iowa.



lol... The coin toss: "Heads Hillary wins, Tails Bernie loses" And the coin is tossed... [That's how Hillary won all the coin tosses]


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 03, 2016, 11:23:15 AM
the chances of winning 6 coin tosses in a row is like 1/64 or something?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on February 03, 2016, 12:00:37 PM
What I want to know is, who picked the quarter?

As far as Rand Paul - there was something about his personality that irritated the heck out of me, even when I agreed with him.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on February 03, 2016, 12:01:58 PM
^barely

Rand dropped out. too libertarian for the GOP, not libertarian enough for his Dad's followers. He's better in the Senate I think.


Updated score card.


Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Rick Santorum, Carly Fiorina, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders and Hilary Clinton.

Independents: John McAfee and Gary Johnson.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on February 03, 2016, 03:56:03 PM
And there goes Rick Santorum.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rick-santorum-to-suspend-presidential-campaign-reports/ar-BBp5BiY?ocid=spartanntp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rick-santorum-to-suspend-presidential-campaign-reports/ar-BBp5BiY?ocid=spartanntp)

Updated score card.


Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders and Hilary Clinton.

Independents: John McAfee and Gary Johnson.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on February 03, 2016, 06:23:13 PM
Bomp bomp bomp . . . another one bites the dust!  LOL


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 03, 2016, 11:03:48 PM
I'll say this for rand paul and even his rival Lindsey Graham: I knew they were running.  Mike Huckabee and rick Santorum ran last time I know that.

Quote
Independents: John McAfee and Gary Johnson.

bath salts and pot 2016


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on February 10, 2016, 01:58:29 PM
Chris Christie also dropped out.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaoR4F4O7d4#)

Updated score card.


Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders and Hilary Clinton.

Independents: John McAfee and Gary Johnson.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 10, 2016, 03:17:27 PM
Kasichs gimmick as the budget balancing guy shouldn't be underestimated in a a country thats 19 trillion dollars in debt. if he really wants to do that I'd be on board even though I don't know anything else about him. less is more isn't that what the Ramones taught us or KISS or whoever it was


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on February 10, 2016, 03:31:42 PM
Carly dropped out

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-carly-fiorina-drops-out-of-2016-white-house-race/ar-BBpmgBb?ocid=spartanntp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-carly-fiorina-drops-out-of-2016-white-house-race/ar-BBpmgBb?ocid=spartanntp)

Updated score card.


Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders and Hilary Clinton.

Independents: John McAfee and Gary Johnson.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on February 10, 2016, 06:10:01 PM
Christie spent millions in ads slamming Marco Rubio . . . and still finished behind him!
A shame Marco totally blew the debate Saturday night.  I'm hoping he can make up some ground before SC on the 20th.
The thought of a Trump presidency literally terrifies me.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 10, 2016, 07:10:09 PM
This is the worst group of candidates I've seen in my lifetime.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 10, 2016, 09:21:28 PM
Christie spent millions in ads slamming Marco Rubio . . . and still finished behind him!
A shame Marco totally blew the debate Saturday night.  I'm hoping he can make up some ground before SC on the 20th.
The thought of a Trump presidency literally terrifies me.

I don't believe in second chances... Marco blew it with the gang of eight... a vote for Marco is a vote for Obama's Immigration. He never going anyway. I do love how Rush keeps pumping this liar up.

Christie is a joke... I'm pleased he finally dropped.

Bush is another joke... really, who is going to vote for Bush 3 when Bush 2 cannot defend himself (this is why Trump is winning... I would love to see the Media pull the same crap they pulled on Bush 2 when Trump is president... Heck, I could see Trump throwing the shoe back!

 
Get ready... Trump is going to be president... and Ted Cruz, Scott Walker or Rick Perry is going to be the Vice-President... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 10, 2016, 10:41:04 PM

 
Get ready... Trump is going to be president... and Ted Cruz, Scott Walker or Rick Perry is going to be the Vice-President... :)

I doubt it, but his chances are getting better. If Trump wins the nomination I doubt he could defeat whoever the Democrats put up. Too high negatives, too many Republicans would cross the aisle just to vote against him and too many people who never would vote anyway would turn out just to vote against him. My dad is a lifelong hater of socialism and he swears he would vote for Sanders in a Sanders-Trump race. Sure, he has passionate support, but he inspires even more passionate hatred.

The Republicans know this, they will do whatever they can to keep him from getting the nomination. To me the most likely scenario seems to be Trump runs as an independent, splits the Republicans and the Democrats cakewalk to the Presidency.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on February 10, 2016, 11:28:35 PM
Either way, we lose in a year that should have been ours.  :bluesad:

There are not enough words to express my contempt and loathing for Trump. :hatred: :hot:

But I can't vote Democrat either.  If it comes down to Trump vs. Hillary or Bernie, I'll vote for a write-in.


As far as Rubio and immigration:  America and Mexico have been neighbors for 200 years.  We have ALWAYS had migrant workers.
The vast majority of them have always been undocumented.  I am sick of the demagoguing on this issue.  If people want to come here and work, let them work.  The ones here to commit crimes or sell drugs, lock them up and then deport them.  But the rest - let them have their green cards, pay a fine for crossing illegally, then go back to building decks or waiting tables or cleaning hotel rooms or whatever it is they do.  That's REALISM.  This "let's deport 11 million people and build a fifty foot tall, 3000 mile long wall" is FANTASY.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on February 11, 2016, 01:13:59 AM
As a neutral, I'm following this campaign with a keen interest as the USA is a country and people I like.

I'm surprised that Donald Trump and Rafael T. Cruz have done so well: not so surprised that Gov. Christie and Carly Fiorina have dropped and that Marco Rubio seems to be stuttering a bit. I'm also astonished that Jim Gilmore is still in the race and hasn't dropped out.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 11, 2016, 07:16:36 AM
Either way, we lose in a year that should have been ours.  :bluesad:

There are not enough words to express my contempt and loathing for Trump. :hatred: :hot:

But I can't vote Democrat either.  If it comes down to Trump vs. Hillary or Bernie, I'll vote for a write-in.


As far as Rubio and immigration:  America and Mexico have been neighbors for 200 years.  We have ALWAYS had migrant workers.
The vast majority of them have always been undocumented.  I am sick of the demagoguing on this issue.  If people want to come here and work, let them work.  The ones here to commit crimes or sell drugs, lock them up and then deport them.  But the rest - let them have their green cards, pay a fine for crossing illegally, then go back to building decks or waiting tables or cleaning hotel rooms or whatever it is they do.  That's REALISM.  This "let's deport 11 million people and build a fifty foot tall, 3000 mile long wall" is FANTASY.

All we have to do for immigration is stop giving benefits to non legal immigrates. No benefits and they will leave on their own.

It's not a fantasy to deport illegal aliens they are not supposed to be here at the first place and the must go. Also, Mexico should not be allowing children riding from south and central american countries thru their country to get into our country... this is insane and nuts... Sorry to sound like an a***ole but the kids need to go back home!

In American history, when we opened our borders to bring people in from other countries there was reasons behind this. Such as we had a civil war that killed a good number of Americans, sadly they needed to be replaced. Another was we had some much land to fill and we needed people to occupy it... those reason make freak'n sense. Today we have somewhere of 30 to 40% of the american population on food-stamps! We have an outrageous unemployment number that the government is not telling the truth about... yet we need more people to come into this country that need food-stamps are can only do jobs in McDonald... this makes no freak'n sense.


Trump is going to win because he's communicating to the TEA PARTY.

I also want to add... Obama allowing the illegal alien children to come to America has gotten more children killed and raped then any psychopath in history! It's sad how the news don't report this.


 
Get ready... Trump is going to be president... and Ted Cruz, Scott Walker or Rick Perry is going to be the Vice-President... :)

I doubt it, but his chances are getting better. If Trump wins the nomination I doubt he could defeat whoever the Democrats put up. Too high negatives, too many Republicans would cross the aisle just to vote against him and too many people who never would vote anyway would turn out just to vote against him. My dad is a lifelong hater of socialism and he swears he would vote for Sanders in a Sanders-Trump race. Sure, he has passionate support, but he inspires even more passionate hatred.

The Republicans know this, they will do whatever they can to keep him from getting the nomination. To me the most likely scenario seems to be Trump runs as an independent, splits the Republicans and the Democrats cakewalk to the Presidency.

I think Sanders is a double down Obama... I think you're dad should really think about it.


I think the hatred is based on untrust... some people think Trump is a spoiler for Hillary; I don't think that's the case. I do think Trump was a spoiler for Ted Cruz. I know if Ted Cruz came of saying that we are going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it he would be laughed off the campaign. Ted Cruz needed a clown to say this... somehow he got Trump to be the clown. I do think Trump wasn't expecting this major support but if he's elected he'll only stay for 1 term.

I got this from how Trump insults Ted Cruz... by saying stuff that would make republican's flock... as for Ted Cruz being naturalized citizen. This stuff was shot all over the internet when Ted Cruz announced. I think Trump is bringing it up is actually removing this from the democrats debates.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 11, 2016, 11:49:26 AM
Sometimes it's whats not there a la modern art. Neither Sanders nor Trump have a Washington or even politician sort of feel to them. In the past people looked for someone who could be an emissary for them into the world of capitols and voting sessions. They no longer want that. They want someone to represent them and them alone and for politicians to have no representation, if that makes any sense.

I'm proud of the way both parties have marginalized the legacy people ie Clinton and Bush how depressing would that be

Re trump specifically to me he is a Berlesconi type of the kind we haven't seen over here before. I think his barbs and so forth are his way of saying hey hello "I have a pulse. I'm not like a CNN host."

as Mike from the Young Ones said "I won't stand on convention, he never stood on me".


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on February 11, 2016, 03:24:51 PM

It's not a fantasy to deport illegal aliens they are not supposed to be here at the first place and the must go.


I think he meant is a fantasy for practical reasons.  Really. how are you going to round them up and deport them?  That's crap-ton of work, man-power, paperwork and not just a little bit dangerous for those that really don't want to go back.

It'd be great if we could just snap our fingers and these problems go away.  Then, there's the real world where deporting millions of people just is NOT going to happen.

Quote

Trump is going to win because he's communicating to the TEA PARTY.


I'm not so sure about that.  I have read a lot of folks that could be described as the "Tea Party" saying they won't vote for Trump no matter what else happens.

Trump is not a "conservative."  I don't see any way he could appeal to the Tea Party across the board. Maybe a few here and there...but not as a "whole."

Interestingly, I heard an interview the other day where a survey result was discussed.  A big demographic among Trump's followers are young "low information voters;" specifically, the interviewer was talking about people that don't inform themselves and really have no idea what is going on in the world or the implications of those issues (and Trump's 'solutions' to them).

They are, essentially, following Trump because he is snarky (sells well with that age group) and showman-flashy in a way that appeals to their sense of "entertainment."

As a group, older Conservatives really can't stand him.  At least, that's the case according to the data the interviewee I heard as well as my own anecdotal observations.

We shall see.  Per the talking heads, SC will tell the tale in terms of if he "can be beaten."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 11, 2016, 04:06:55 PM
Another point about Trump is that the other candidates have held off on attacking him (foolishly, it seems to me) out of fear of damaging themselves his supporters. As more of them drop off, the remainder will be forced to go negative on Trump.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 11, 2016, 05:41:31 PM


I think he meant is a fantasy for practical reasons.  Really. how are you going to round them up and deport them?  That's crap-ton of work, man-power, paperwork and not just a little bit dangerous for those that really don't want to go back.

If you remove the benefits (not allow to work, collect foodstamps, anchor babies) they will go back on their own. If you enforce laws that requires real id's and a social security number; they will go back on their own. That's about 75% of the problem.

Deportation would be enforced by...

If the person done a crime and there is no proof of legal citizenship - deported.

If the person requires hospital help and no proof of legal citizenship - deported.

Fail to leave the country when visa expires - would be a deportation and a something year ban to come back to America.


I still think Trump speaks for the Tea Party. The Tea Party is not just Republicans.


As for a Conservative... This is 2016 not 1980.


I like Ted Cruz... but he don't have the ability to fight the media.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on February 11, 2016, 07:26:43 PM
How about the 3-4 million children BORN IN THE USA, by definition U.S. citizens, whose parents are illegals?
Do we deport them, too, or do we just deport their parents and make them wards of the state?

And those folks needing medical care - do you treat them first and then deport them, or let them die on the way back to Mexico?

As far as criminals, I agree.  If they commit a crime and they're illegal, lock them up for whatever sentence they've earned and send them on back when they've served their time.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on February 11, 2016, 07:49:10 PM

I still think Trump speaks for the Tea Party. The Tea Party is not just Republicans.


I did not mention the word Republican.  Not sure what relevance this statement has.

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As for a Conservative... This is 2016 not 1980.


Not sure what this means or, again, what relevance it has.

If you look at the ideals of the Tea Party and listen to what Trump says and has said in the past, there simply is very, very little overlap.  Rather, there are TONS of differences.

There's no way in hell he aligns the Tea Party, and if folks in that group support him, they are either disingenuous about what they belief or they are very, very fooled about what he represents.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 11, 2016, 10:22:05 PM
How about the 3-4 million children BORN IN THE USA, by definition U.S. citizens, whose parents are illegals?

No they are not legal Americans citizens.

Little history lesson.

Fourteenth Amendment was created because the Democratic party didn't want free slaves become American citizens. The creators of the Fourteenth Amendment added a clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" which means that one of the parents must be in the country legally when they gave birth. There is a big difference between being in the country legally and Illegally. 

Is it the children's fault?

No. This is the governments fault.

Sure there is a fix.... My fix "Good news you have a baby... sorry it's not American, you can go home now."


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Do we deport them, too, or do we just deport their parents and make them wards of the state?

You need to understand that this anchor baby thing is BS. Mother sneaks across the border (which inst hard in California - that's where most of the anchor babies come form) then child is born. Now they can bring the father of the baby, the brother of the father, the cousin of the father, the cousin of the mother, the aunt, the grandmother, 15 to 20 other they said they are related to the baby... THIS IS FREAKN NUTS!

But it get's worst... multiply this by the number of illegal babies born per year.

YES deport them!

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And those folks needing medical care - do you treat them first and then deport them, or let them die on the way back to Mexico?

I think if Mexico has a heart, they would allow a nursing station on the Mexican border side to help the babies... but lets be realistic... It's impossible to be a country when anybody can become a citizen.

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As far as criminals, I agree.  If they commit a crime and they're illegal, lock them up for whatever sentence they've earned and send them on back when they've served their time.

What sucks is that we have over crowding in our prison system and 1/3 of the prison population is illegal aliens... I say deport them to their home country jail, then we free up the over crowding.



I still think Trump speaks for the Tea Party. The Tea Party is not just Republicans.


I did not mention the word Republican.  Not sure what relevance this statement has.

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As for a Conservative... This is 2016 not 1980.


Not sure what this means or, again, what relevance it has.


The truth is the conservative movement had been so bastardized since the 1990's. It's so bad that voters need to be educated on what is a conservative. Others are saying they are like Reagan but they are not... Jeb Bush said he has Conservative values... really? Ted Cruz also said he's a conservative... ok, now who is correct? Sure those that know what a conservative is would know that Ted Cruz is correct... but most don't so they are assuming that Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz are both conservative.

A lot assume the tea party mostly republicans and conservative... it's a mix...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on February 12, 2016, 12:22:00 AM
So what if the Supreme Court says that your interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment is wrong, and that anyone born in the USA, regardless of parentage, is a U.S. citizen?

Our Party is shredding itself to pieces over this issue, and the sad thing is, illegal immigration has been dropping steadily over the last 10 years. 

All the demagoging in this issue does is cost the GOP votes, while not posing any realistic solutions.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on February 12, 2016, 04:52:19 AM
I just got a sidebar ad which said "Win Debate tickets" and when I clicked on it, it went to Ted Cruz's website.  :smile:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 12, 2016, 07:20:10 AM
So what if the Supreme Court says that your interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment is wrong, and that anyone born in the USA, regardless of parentage, is a U.S. citizen?

The amendment said what it says... The person has to have jurisdiction.

But I do agree the Supreme Court can interpret the amendment any way they want... 5 of them are radicals so the Constitution means s**t to them. Otherwise they would realize that government cannot force the citizens to pay for goods or such; therefore the Obama Care is unconstitutional. Also, the states has the right to define what is a marriage... therefore declaring gay marriage was something the Supreme Court should not be doing.

My fear is they take the Amendment to the Supreme Court...

PS the way how the Supreme Court is abusing the system... I'm at the point in believing they should be voted in the court system and have term limits too.

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Our Party is shredding itself to pieces over this issue, and the sad thing is, illegal immigration has been dropping steadily over the last 10 years. 

Not really. Most republicans are not conservatives.  The problem is the two party system. That's because after the civil war they deck was stacked for two parties. Most countries would have several parties...

On the other hand the Current Democratic party (aka The Move On Dot Org Party) is more radical then what the Democrats used to be, and I do believe some of them purposely became republicans so they can assist in Obama's agenda.


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All the demagoging in this issue does is cost the GOP votes, while not posing any realistic solutions.

First off everybody can say what they can do... but the question is if they can do it.

The only reason why I like Trump is because he speaks through the media. Yes, Ted Cruz could be awesome as Reagan but his voice is almost never herd outside the people he's talking to. Sure I do agree the American people needs to be educated but we don't have the time! Also, if the voters that showed up for McCain hold their noses and voted for Romney we wouldn't have Obama's second term... sure I do believe people have the right to vote and not to vote... but saying I'm not going to vote for Trump because I don't like him is in fact a vote for Hillary or Sanders... (just keep that in mind)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on February 12, 2016, 08:55:21 AM
Trump is a loud mouth racist f**king scumbag piece of s**t made famous by TV.
Trump-my god-thats why folks voted for Hitler-he had a charming line-horse f**king cock.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on February 12, 2016, 08:58:26 AM
I don't really care who's President-but Trump is the WORST-nominate one of the Kardashians next,this world is run by morons.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 12, 2016, 10:09:04 AM
Trump is a loud mouth racist f**king scumbag piece of s**t made famous by TV.
Trump-my god-thats why folks voted for Hitler-he had a charming line-horse f**king cock.


If Trump was a racist we would have evidence issued out months ago. What he's saying is not racist... He's being realistic. You cannot have a country that has open borders. Illegal Aliens are breaking the law by default... they are "illegal" at the first place. Second, 1/3 of the prison population is Illegal Aliens!

But people are crossing the border to get jobs in America, like the old days. (Typical argument)

Sorry, this is incorrect. Back in the 1800's America was a growing country that had more land then people. They needed people to fill the lands. After the Civil War we need to replace the lost men. Those are historical facts.



Obama is a racist, a WHITE policeman was attacked by a BLACK THUG that's trying to steal the policeman's gun... The policeman shoots the thug. well, guess who side Obama is for...The BLACK THUG. Why? Because it fits a fantasy the democrats are looking for... white people shooting black people... Although they seemed to omit that the BLACK THUG WAS TRYING TO STEAL THE COPS GUN!

Another awesome racist although now dead... David Duke...


Fun fact about racist America... The south in the civil war was the Democrats. The KKK was created by the Democrats. The keeping of the confederate battle flag was by Democrats. The reason why we need the 14th Amendment the Democrats. Segregation - Democrats. Abortion clinics by poor black neighborhood's - yep you guessed it Democrats.

But somehow the Democrat Party is the voice of Black People... Do you know why?

Because they play Santa. They give the Blacks enough to survive while making it difficult for them to move up.

Wow how they do that?

Poor education and raising taxes to keep business out of some districts.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 12, 2016, 10:22:39 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbBExG3WwAAAx8D.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on February 13, 2016, 01:13:08 AM
For once in the millenium, I am in complete agreement with Ronnie on a political issue - I'd give him karma if I could.
Trump is a racist, a narcissist, and a vulgar boor.  If the GOP nominates him they will lose my vote for the first time since I was old enough to vote.
And they will RICHLY deserve the drubbing they'll receive at the polls.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 13, 2016, 07:49:23 AM
For once in the millenium, I am in complete agreement with Ronnie on a political issue - I'd give him karma if I could.
Trump is a racist, a narcissist, and a vulgar boor.  If the GOP nominates him they will lose my vote for the first time since I was old enough to vote.
And they will RICHLY deserve the drubbing they'll receive at the polls.

Sorry that you believe that...


The fact is I held my nose and voted for both terms of Bush 2, Loser McCain and Loser Romney... Heck I even voted for Bush 1 thinking he was going to be Reagan's 3rd term... Heck, I used to live in Chicago... you want to talk about how many freaking times I had to hold my nose! I'm tired of voting for liars, idiots and thieves.

This is the first time I'm going to vote without holding my nose.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on February 13, 2016, 09:18:15 AM
I would vote for-or could vote for-NO ONE. Trump is a phoney-and the Democrats aint s**t going on nothing either-I just dont like politics-and when me and Indy see eye to eye-you KNOW somethings wrong.
Skull-you need to get laid.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on February 13, 2016, 09:25:40 AM
Evidence-every time he opens his f**king mouth and spouts out stupid s**t.
We need a President-not a big mouth millionare talk show dumb f**k.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on February 13, 2016, 09:32:55 AM
Skull-you spout all this stuff that you pass for fact but is really all bulls**t.
Your not fooling me-or anybody else with half a brain.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 13, 2016, 09:42:45 AM
Thread's getting a little heated---let's try to keep it civil. Bash the candidates all you want but not your fellow forum members.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on February 13, 2016, 09:45:45 AM
Sorry Rev-Ill chill out.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 13, 2016, 10:01:51 AM
@RCMerchant

Politics is loaded with BS... I'm voicing my opinion and supporting it with easy to find facts. Nothing hard to find. It's all there.

I don't want to fight and I don't want to be enemies. I sad my stuff and I think I'll lay low for a week or so...


I do think one of the biggest mistakes of American politics is the length. All this stuff, the debates, the primary voting and the election shouldn't be this long. It was originally designed this way because news travailed by horse. Today, I could sip on a coffee and talk to a person in England, Japan and Africa and they will talk back before I can put the cup back on the table.

:)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on February 13, 2016, 10:07:06 AM
Skull-you bring up politics from the 18oos-thats just plain crazy.Back when we used people for slaves and killed indians. Your arguments are invalid and outdated.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on February 13, 2016, 08:38:56 PM
I think he was just referring to the fact that our technology is so much faster now, there's no excuse for the process to be stretched out this long.  I kind of agree in a way and kind of not. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: The Burgomaster on February 14, 2016, 08:58:49 AM
George Costanza got a write-in vote in New Hampshire. This may be the most wisely-cast vote of all.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on February 14, 2016, 09:42:54 AM
I skipped last night's GOP debate, but apparently it was Trump's worst showing yet and one of Rubio's best.
Don't know that it will change anything but it made me feel better to hear it! :thumbup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 14, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
I agree with everyone that Trump rules and all the other candidates are stupid


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on February 14, 2016, 07:11:32 PM
Apparently I am no longer part of "everyone."

When did that happen??  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on February 15, 2016, 07:45:06 PM
At the restaurant where I live work at FOX is always on. Some of the talking heads seem to always be saying that Trump isn't a republican. Can someone explain this to me?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 15, 2016, 08:06:46 PM
At the restaurant where I live work at FOX is always on. Some of the talking heads seem to always be saying that Trump isn't a republican. Can someone explain this to me?


He hasn't always registered as a Republican: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/16/donald-trump-changed-political-parties-at-least-fi/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/16/donald-trump-changed-political-parties-at-least-fi/)

Certainly many traditional conservatives don't like him: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430126/donald-trump-conservatives-oppose-nomination (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430126/donald-trump-conservatives-oppose-nomination)

His anti-immigration policies certainly appeal to a segment of the Republican base, however.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on February 16, 2016, 06:54:59 AM
I used to like Trump until he started talking nonsense about South Africa.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 16, 2016, 10:54:41 AM
some good info here www.jebbush.com (http://www.jebbush.com)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 17, 2016, 10:22:38 PM
http://hookers4hillary.com/ (http://hookers4hillary.com/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on February 18, 2016, 01:53:11 AM
[url]http://hookers4hillary.com/[/url] ([url]http://hookers4hillary.com/[/url])


 :buggedout: :teddyr: :teddyr:

I clicked that link and almost immediately got an email from my IT dept.  :buggedout: :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on February 18, 2016, 02:01:23 AM
(http://lester.demon.nl/superm/pix/xl5/merchand/toys/mpc-galaxy-patrol-2.png)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on February 18, 2016, 02:13:52 AM
My prediction: by June, Trump will have withdrawn from the elections.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 19, 2016, 11:29:38 AM
Trump got owned by the Pope on the border wall and by Buzzfeed on his claim of being against the Iraq War which means...he'll probably continue to rise in the polls!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on February 19, 2016, 12:58:38 PM
some good info here [url=http://www.jebbush.com]www.jebbush.com[/url] ([url]http://www.jebbush.com[/url])


To me the fact that Jeb and his team let the url be up for sale shows that he doesn't really belong in the race. The best analogy I can think of is that he's at the kids table and everyone else still in it, for the most part, is at the adults table.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on February 19, 2016, 09:41:00 PM
Trump got owned by the Pope on the border wall and by Buzzfeed on his claim of being against the Iraq War which means...he'll probably continue to rise in the polls!


I hate to say-but Lester is likely right-it seems like no one really cares about the world-we-as Americans as of late-seem to love chaos and controversy-it boosts ratings,ya know-so-yeah-politics has turned into a TV show.
Sad s**t,man-America has turned into a bunch of media addicted morons.

http://youtu.be/a6otjCKg594 (http://youtu.be/a6otjCKg594)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on February 21, 2016, 01:11:36 AM
there goes Jeb

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jeb-bush-bows-out-of-campaign-humbled-and-outgunned/ar-BBpKRm3?ocid= (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jeb-bush-bows-out-of-campaign-humbled-and-outgunned/ar-BBpKRm3?ocid=)

Updated score card

Republicans: Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, Josh Kasich and Jim Gilmore.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders and Hilary Clinton.

Independents: John McAfee and Gary Johnson.

I think Carson, Kasich and Gilmore will follow Jeb's lead.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 21, 2016, 10:18:56 AM
Kasich has a little left I think. He managed out pull himself out of the .1 percent swamp to do pretty well in whatever state it was. Now watch him drop out later today.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/jeb-bush-dropping-out-set-up-to-fail-213662?o=1 (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/jeb-bush-dropping-out-set-up-to-fail-213662?o=1)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on February 21, 2016, 10:57:45 AM
Trump got owned by the Pope on the border wall and by Buzzfeed on his claim of being against the Iraq War which means...he'll probably continue to rise in the polls!

Said the Pope, on a rare visit out from behind his own Vatican-encircling wall, built to keep out Moslems.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 21, 2016, 11:33:10 AM
yeah I meant like in the media. whether it was an actual owning is entirely subjective


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: VenomX73 on February 21, 2016, 05:11:10 PM
Trump got owned by the Pope on the border wall and by Buzzfeed on his claim of being against the Iraq War which means...he'll probably continue to rise in the polls!

Said the Pope, on a rare visit out from behind his own Vatican-encircling wall, built to keep out Moslems.

THIS ^

Yup lol correct! - BRAVO!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 22, 2016, 09:27:44 AM
Trump got owned by the Pope on the border wall and by Buzzfeed on his claim of being against the Iraq War which means...he'll probably continue to rise in the polls!

Said the Pope, on a rare visit out from behind his own Vatican-encircling wall, built to keep out Moslems.

THIS ^

Yup lol correct! - BRAVO!  :thumbup:

I think the Pope should lead by example and allow the Vatican to take in the Syrian Refugees.


Bye-Bye Jeb... Although he should had dropped out before Scott Walker! (Seriously who in the right mind was going to vote for Bush 3?)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on February 23, 2016, 08:56:10 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Jim Gilmore dropped out a while back.  I'm not sure. :question:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on February 23, 2016, 06:41:10 PM
As far as media coverage goes, he was never in!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on February 26, 2016, 07:54:17 AM
I seen Trump got owned by Rubio-if there had to be someone I would go for as a Republican President-like if a gun was at my head-it would be Rubio-I think I will vote for socialist Bernie Sanders. FDR was a socialist-so was Kennedy. Arguably-Lincoln as well. Why socialism is looked on as evil makes no f**king sense to me-unless its a front-aka Nazism. Nazi's called themselves socialist-thats where the stigma comes from-they werent anything but fanatics.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on February 26, 2016, 08:09:32 AM
I apologize for being a dick to Skull-I get kinda emotional about politics.
I dont think Trump represents the Republican people-I think he represents TV people...folks who dont pay attention to politics and watch DUCK DYNASTY.
I like TV -but I sure the hell aint gonna elect a man who has no idea how poor people live-he knows how to make himself rich-that means f**king people over.
What is he gonna do for America? Swindle us-fill his pockets.
He's a con artist-the snake oil runs of him in rivers.
I hope he does win-put us in WW3-just so I can say-see? Ya get what ya pay for.
The German masses fell for a "peoples"  candidate in 1933 when Hitler  was appointed Chancellor.
Trump hits emotions-theres really no policy behind his rhetoric.
And no-I aint pulling the "Hitler card"-in this case-it fits like a glove-it frightens me.
Ever read Berlin Diary by William Shirer? He saw it coming when all the Germans were jacking off to Hitler-it scared him-Trump scares the f**k outta me.
Trump thinks his money will buy him clout-in international politics his money aint gonna buy him s**t. It will just isolate us from the world-and this aint about money-its about ideolagy with most 3rd world countrys-and you just cant throw money at them-theyre p**sed-and you need someone whos not gonna scream "LOSER" at them-and p**s them off. Diplomacy is a major part of being a leader-Trump is a big mouth.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on February 26, 2016, 10:10:16 AM
I read for somer eason that Ben Carson made a fruit salad reference during last nights debate. Did this happen?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 26, 2016, 10:43:54 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcJYBtBWEAAJr_4.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 26, 2016, 11:12:57 AM
I seen Trump got owned by Rubio-if there had to be someone I would go for as a Republican President-like if a gun was at my head-it would be Rubio-I think I will vote for socialist Bernie Sanders. FDR was a socialist-so was Kennedy. Arguably-Lincoln as well. Why socialism is looked on as evil makes no f**king sense to me-unless its a front-aka Nazism. Nazi's called themselves socialist-thats where the stigma comes from-they werent anything but fanatics.

I think Orwell said it better about socialism... "Socialism looks good on paper..."

The problem with socialism is human nature. For socialism to work people need to accept it as it is [like 2+2=5] and most don't... therefore boots are kicked in the face.

Lets be realistic about Bernie Sanders... he was a spoiler for Hillary; he was intended for Hillary not to look left. This was all designed by the same people that wanted Jeb Bush run for president. The people that control the Democrat party is the 1% they don't want Bernie elected. I also would like to point out that the same 1% also controls the Republican party (aka the establishment) and they don't want Trump or Cruz elected for president. Although Trump and Cruz represent 2 different dangers to the establishment.

Trump proves that you don't need establishment support or money. I'm starting to believe that Ross Perot suggested a similar threat and somehow the establishment sort of forced him to drop off. According to some poles it looked like Perot could be the next president. This is why I get the impression that the establishment thinks they will do the same thing with Trump. But what they don't see is that Trump's message "Let America be Great Again" is a direct attack on Obama's 8-year Presidential run; and too many people are sick and tired of Obama's BS... I also think Trump saying he will allow prostitution to convict Hillary seals the deal. More American's are also looking at Trump as a middle finger at the establishment. Is this good or bad for the country? I don't think it's bad for the country because the structure of our government system is designed in a way that if you don't like what's going on then get elected and make the change. (This is why the slavery argument is a rotten fail - the founding fathers designed the Constitution so it could end slavery... they just couldn't end slavery from the creation of the experimental government system - expect a union from the slave owners while fighting the British Empire.)

As for Cruz, his threat is the the potential stopping the money train. Unfortunately for Cruz that the Conservative party had been bastardized for 30 freaking years. I would love Cruz to be the next president but I'm also being realistic... too many stupid people want to vote for Santa and not for self-responsibilities; also I don't think we have time to educate the dummies. This is why voting for Trump is the next best move.

The only thing I like about Bernie Sanders he shows how corrupt the Democrat voting machine is... really Hillary wins by coin tossing and super delegates.

I apologize for being a dick to Skull-I get kinda emotional about politics.

No need to apologies... I get emotional with politics too... Don't worry :)


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I dont think Trump represents the Republican people-I think he represents TV people...folks who dont pay attention to politics and watch DUCK DYNASTY.

Yes I do agree with you on this but that's why I love Trump. Because he is speaking to those folks that don't pay attention to politics.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on February 26, 2016, 11:40:45 AM
([url]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcJYBtBWEAAJr_4.jpg[/url])


! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx59zLqBRuI#)  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on February 26, 2016, 04:13:41 PM
And people who sit around watching TV and are common people who  dont  know how to deal with international politics-I dont want Archie Bunker running the world-I want some one with half a brain. Electing someone on a gut feeling is dangerous-if you let your heart overrun your common sense is not a good thing-it's like wanting to punch someone in the face when they p**s you off-sure-it feels good when you do it-going to jail for assault -not so good.You have to THINK. Trump doesnt think-he just wants to punch people in the face. Trust me-I been in jail for attacking people.
I dont think Obama is all that-hell-I aint a Democrat or a Republican-I have no affiliation at all. I just call it as I see it. I think all politictions are liars and-most of all-salesmen. They sell themselves-from laundry soap  commercials to TV shows-its all bulls**t. Money talks-no matter who wins-the money is gonna dictate policy in the long run.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on February 26, 2016, 05:14:35 PM
Based on what I been seeing, I think it's time for Arthur to return from Avalon.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 26, 2016, 05:47:50 PM
And people who sit around watching TV and are common people who  dont  know how to deal with international politics-I dont want Archie Bunker running the world-I want some one with half a brain. Electing someone on a gut feeling is dangerous-if you let your heart overrun your common sense is not a good thing-it's like wanting to punch someone in the face when they p**s you off-sure-it feels good when you do it-going to jail for assault -not so good.You have to THINK. Trump doesnt think-he just wants to punch people in the face. Trust me-I been in jail for attacking people.

The original intent on who votes for a president was land owners. They felt that the people who have skin in the game should have a voice. This gets thrown out the window when everybody has a voice, even those that don't own land or pay taxes. So you are going to get people to vote based on self-interest and half-ass commonsense.

The problem (and I believe you had noticed this too) that people took the time out and voted for republicans in 2010 and 2014 to act as the opposition for Obama... and all we got was lies.

Voting for Trump is equivalent to the raised pitchforks, torches and mob justice. I don't see Trump support stopping... And if Bernie Sanders loses the primary (which he should because the democratic voting machine is fixed) all his supporters are going to move to Trump.

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I dont think Obama is all that-hell-I aint a Democrat or a Republican-I have no affiliation at all. I just call it as I see it. I think all politictions are liars and-most of all-salesmen. They sell themselves-from laundry soap  commercials to TV shows-its all bulls**t. Money talks-no matter who wins-the money is gonna dictate policy in the long run.

Obama is the worst... Every child that was murdered and raped on the train ride over Mexico to America is Obama's fault.

I think it's funny how Marco Rubio calls Trump a snake-oil salesman... while we do have a record that Rubio was part of the Gang of 8... which makes him a bigger snake-oil salesman.

As for money... even though Trump has lots of money he had spent the least amount (or second to the least). I'm not sure the numbers but they are nowhere near Jeb Bush's +100 million dollars fail.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Gene Worm on February 26, 2016, 06:10:33 PM
If Japan gets to have Godzilla as their ambassador, then why can't we have Ultraman run for president?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 26, 2016, 06:36:48 PM
And if Bernie Sanders loses the primary (which he should because the democratic voting machine is fixed) all his supporters are going to move to Trump.

I just do not see that happening. The Sanders supporters I see are all far-lefters who despise Trump, not protest voters.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on February 26, 2016, 07:47:11 PM
When Ronnie and I agree on politics, we are definitely living in the twilight zone!!! :buggedout:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 26, 2016, 07:56:24 PM
 I do tend to see Trump and Sanders as two ends of the same crunchy, craft beer sort of thing. localism and whatnot. with an America First chaser


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on February 27, 2016, 05:00:06 AM
And people who sit around watching TV and are common people who  dont  know how to deal with international politics-I dont want Archie Bunker running the world-I want some one with half a brain. Electing someone on a gut feeling is dangerous-if you let your heart overrun your common sense is not a good thing-it's like wanting to punch someone in the face when they p**s you off-sure-it feels good when you do it-going to jail for assault -not so good.You have to THINK. Trump doesnt think-he just wants to punch people in the face. Trust me-I been in jail for attacking people.

The original intent on who votes for a president was land owners. They felt that the people who have skin in the game should have a voice. This gets thrown out the window when everybody has a voice, even those that don't own land or pay taxes. So you are going to get people to vote based on self-interest and half-ass commonsense.

The problem (and I believe you had noticed this too) that people took the time out and voted for republicans in 2010 and 2014 to act as the opposition for Obama... and all we got was lies.

Voting for Trump is equivalent to the raised pitchforks, torches and mob justice. I don't see Trump support stopping... And if Bernie Sanders loses the primary (which he should because the democratic voting machine is fixed) all his supporters are going to move to Trump.

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I dont think Obama is all that-hell-I aint a Democrat or a Republican-I have no affiliation at all. I just call it as I see it. I think all politictions are liars and-most of all-salesmen. They sell themselves-from laundry soap  commercials to TV shows-its all bulls**t. Money talks-no matter who wins-the money is gonna dictate policy in the long run.

Obama is the worst... Every child that was murdered and raped on the train ride over Mexico to America is Obama's fault.

I think it's funny how Marco Rubio calls Trump a snake-oil salesman... while we do have a record that Rubio was part of the Gang of 8... which makes him a bigger snake-oil salesman.

As for money... even though Trump has lots of money he had spent the least amount (or second to the least). I'm not sure the numbers but they are nowhere near Jeb Bush's +100 million dollars fail.

Wow-do the twist,man-your good at it.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on February 27, 2016, 05:26:39 AM
And -Skull-me freind-the Democratic voting  is fixed?
Take your pointy tinfoil hat off-I do believe the Republicans have a history of sneaky stuff-remember Nixon? Tricky Dick was as crooked as they get. As for Obamas fault with Mexicans getting mudered-thats just plain insane.I aint gonna talk about this anymore with you-because you seem to be a fanatic who doesnt equate common sense with facts.-You twist things to fit your view-if it fits-you use it.
Obama killed the migrants-thats crazy talk.  :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 27, 2016, 07:09:33 AM
And -Skull-me freind-the Democratic voting  is fixed?
Take your pointy tinfoil hat off-I do believe the Republicans have a history of sneaky stuff-remember Nixon? Tricky Dick was as crooked as they get. As for Obamas fault with Mexicans getting mudered-thats just plain insane.I aint gonna talk about this anymore with you-because you seem to be a fanatic who doesnt equate common sense with facts.-You twist things to fit your view-if it fits-you use it.
Obama killed the migrants-thats crazy talk.  :lookingup:


I used to live in Chicago; its easy to see how the Democratic voting machine is fixed. They talk about it on the news all the time. As for the Republicans, well the fix was Jeb Bush and 10+ candidates. The trick was for Jeb Bush to absorb all the donor dollars and all the candidates would be worst then Bush. The Republican establishment really, really believed that the American people would fall for this. Also they were ready to crush Ted Cruz. The Republican and Democrats didn't expect Trump.

And if you don't think the fix is in please explain how Hillary won Iowa and Nevada?

Tinfoil hat? You do know Nixon tapes were about him wanting the IRS to attack his big enemies. Nixon never went beyond his talk. While a few years back the IRS attacked the TEA PARTY... (And yet this has nothing to do with Obama? Really? Really?)

Sure Nixon was bad... Nixon was almost 50 years ago!



Obama and the Children (this is fact!)


On June 15, 2012, President Barack Obama announced that his administration would stop deporting young undocumented individuals who match certain criteria previously proposed under the DREAM ACT.


Do you need a slide ruler to figure why we are having thousands of illegal children crossing the border? Every kid that is murder and raped on a train from Mexico to America is Obama's fault! The blood is on his hands! And no tinfoil hat bs... this is Fn fact!

This is what annoys me when I talk to others about Politics... The facts are there and yet people have blinders.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 27, 2016, 10:07:22 AM
living in Massachusettts illegal immigration isn't a huge issue in my life but the DREAM act strikes me as very late stage Roman empire. importing people from other countries to fight wars Americans don't want to fight and rewarding them with citizenship how about just let them come and work and not be citizens


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 28, 2016, 08:23:24 AM
living in Massachusettts illegal immigration isn't a huge issue in my life but the DREAM act strikes me as very late stage Roman empire. importing people from other countries to fight wars Americans don't want to fight and rewarding them with citizenship how about just let them come and work and not be citizens

Chicago is a Sanctuary City.


You would think the ultimate goal is citizenship. But it's not. They think they are citizens once they cross the border. They are given foodstamps and money (because we don't want them to go homeless) and they fill in Sanctuary Cities that are drastically loosing the population of hard working citizens. And they do vote, especially in areas that don't check for ID's. The ultimate goal (and in a sense you are correct) to fill in the holes to keep the same political people in office.


Sorry but I'm really sick how Obama is given a pass for this executive order. I do blame everybody in office (including Ted Cruz) for not being loud about the issue. This is why Trump is so freaking awesome, he said he's closing the border and push all those illegal aliens back home... I hope he does but at least I know he was the first to make that stand!








Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: VenomX73 on February 28, 2016, 06:44:22 PM
(https://www.makeamericagreatagainpac.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Make-America-Great-Again-Logo1.png)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on February 28, 2016, 09:38:31 PM
This was what I wrote on my FB earlier today:


Well, 48 hours from now Super Tuesday will be over and done. Votes will be cast, delegates awarded, and the candidates who remain will move on to the next state.
 I have been a student of government and history my whole life. I have taught for 20 years, I've read not only the Constitution but dozens of Presidential biographies and books on American government. I'm going to make one simple request of all my friends - if my opinion and judgment mean anything at all to you, read this and think about it before you vote.
 I believe every person should vote their conscience. I believe every person should think and pray before casting their ballot. If that conviction leads you to a candidate different than the one I choose to support, I normally have no problem with that.
 But I would ask you, please do NOT vote for Donald Trump! I have studied him in detail since this election cycle began. I have listened to his own words, studied his past statements, read up on his business practices and on his personal life. It's not hard to do - he has gone on just about every TV show there is, he's bragged repeatedly about his sexual conquests and proudly acknowledged that many of them were married women. He owns and profits off of strip clubs and casinos. He hires illegal immigrants and has his suits and ties made overseas, then denounces illegal immigration and outsourcing. He tells outrageous lies, and when they are proven wrong, he simply denounces the fact-checkers and keeps on repeating the lies. His knee-jerk response to any form of criticism or disagreement is ridicule, mockery, and insults that I would write up one of my eighth graders for. Finally, if you actually look at what he says, the fact is he has no specific plans for anything. He simply believes he is so awesome that his mere presence in the White House will fix every problem there is. He is wrong. And the price of his wrongness, the price of his ill temper and immaturity, the price of his personal lack of any kind of moral code, will be AT THE LEAST four years of Hillary Clinton in the White House, and AT THE WORST World War III.
 So as your friend, as someone who has spent a lifetime studying the Presidency and the history of our country, and as a patriotic American, I urge you -
 Vote Rubio. Vote Cruz. Vote Kasich. Vote Carson. Vote Hillary. Vote Bernie. Vote Darth Vader. Vote Cthulhu.

BUT PLEASE DON'T VOTE DONALD TRUMP.

That's it, I'm done.

Super Tuesday can't come fast enough.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Alex on February 29, 2016, 05:45:50 AM
Listening to Trump's speeches reminds me of one of the Treehouse of Terror hallowe'en specials The Simpsons do. Two aliens replace Bob Dole and Bill Clinton before the election and then make lots of meaningless speeches filled with buzz words that people like and the public laps it up. The reason I mention it here, is every time I hear a speech from Trump it reminds me of that. Full of big promises but no details on how he is going to actually achieve anything.

Anyway, I need to go build a fence as leaves from my neighbours garden keep blowing into my garden. I wonder if I can make him pay for it...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 29, 2016, 07:07:10 AM
Listening to Trump's speeches reminds me of one of the Treehouse of Terror hallowe'en specials The Simpsons do. Two aliens replace Bob Dole and Bill Clinton before the election and then make lots of meaningless speeches filled with buzz words that people like and the public laps it up. The reason I mention it here, is every time I hear a speech from Trump it reminds me of that. Full of big promises but no details on how he is going to actually achieve anything.

Anyway, I need to go build a fence as leaves from my neighbours garden keep blowing into my garden. I wonder if I can make him pay for it...


(http://images.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_640x430/public/mrtprimary.png)

I think I would have Mr. T to chop the tree down... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: JaseSF on February 29, 2016, 09:24:33 PM
If it comes down to Trump or Hillary, I think Trump may be the lesser of 2 evils....honestly though, the U.S. needs for both major parties to come crashing down IMO...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on February 29, 2016, 11:58:42 PM
If it comes down to Trump or Hillary, I think Trump may be the lesser of 2 evils....honestly though, the U.S. needs for both major parties to come crashing down IMO...

Totally agree!!!!

We would never be in this situation if the democrats were less radical and if the republicans pulled their head out of their ass and act as an opposition party. These 8 years was a roller coaster ride from hell. Trump's attraction is more then just republicans. Hillary's last win had a very low turnout...

I think Trump is going to win Texas (which will be a major upset but also a good turning point)... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on March 01, 2016, 12:19:44 AM
He'll never win THIS Texan!!!  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Zapranoth on March 01, 2016, 09:53:32 AM
If it came down to starring in a bad movie, I would watch Trump over any of them.  He would make a much better bad movie.

But, our presidential primary is not a bad movie.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on March 01, 2016, 10:15:11 AM
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqfLOJGS_7o#)

Ever feel American politics is sort of like what's happening at the 1:25 point of this clip?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 01, 2016, 11:36:46 AM
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But, our presidential primary is not a bad movie.
actually


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: VenomX73 on March 01, 2016, 07:59:04 PM
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bQ6eH8vcy9c/0.jpg)

You know, I'll never forget my old dad.
When these things would happen to him... the things he'd say to me.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Gene Worm on March 02, 2016, 12:44:01 AM
I was thinking about my last statement of Ultraman being president, but he's a bit big.

Someone like Gerarachin (http://godzilla.wikia.com/wiki/Gerarachin) would be up for the job!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on March 02, 2016, 05:57:41 PM
I thought that Chris Christie, lurking over Trump's shoulder during The Donald's victory speech last night, looked about as happy as Princess Leia chained to Jabba the Hutt (but considerably less attractive!).


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on March 03, 2016, 04:54:22 AM
I thought that Chris Christie, lurking over Trump's shoulder during The Donald's victory speech last night, looked about as happy as Princess Leia chained to Jabba the Hutt (but considerably less attractive!).

Gov. Christie's expression was one of those what-the-heck-am-I-doing-here ones.  :teddyr:

Just BTW: I am sorry that Dr Carson dropped out: I liked him.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on March 03, 2016, 07:51:43 AM
He is a wonderful and admirable man, but the more I listened to him, the more I realized he had no business being President.
Some men are simply too decent for the job.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on March 03, 2016, 08:39:32 AM
Some men are simply too decent for the job.

That's exactly why I've never thrown my hat into the race.  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 03, 2016, 10:32:49 AM
He is a wonderful and admirable man, but the more I listened to him, the more I realized he had no business being President.
Some men are simply too decent for the job.

I'd never thought Ben Carson was running for president. I do think he's trying to run for Vice-President. I wouldn't be surprise that he's looking to be the balancing act for Trump or Rubio... Though, I'm beginning to hate Rubio more and more and would prefer him to drop out! I don't care what Rush said about Rubio... I think Rubio is as much as a Reagan Conservative as Hillary Clinton! And we all know why the Establishment wants Rubio or Clnton... Amnesty!

I do think Rubio should drop and give Ted Cruz a chance... it would be nice to see Cruz and Trump go head to head... Either case I would still be happy to vote for Trump or Cruz... I'm not sure I'll vote for Rubio (if I do it's because I don't want Hillary and then it'll be the last time I'm voting for republican!)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 03, 2016, 10:51:26 AM
Some men are simply too decent for the job.

That's exactly why I've never thrown my *undies* into the race.  :wink:

fixed...

lol...

Yeah running for president is cut-throat stuff. Ben Carson seemed too nice; even when he tells us that he almost stabbed somebody with a knife, you sort of feel that he's trying to make it sound like he's tough but he's also giving an impression that he can go psycho. This didn't move me away from Ben Carson - actually I would love to see a psycho in the white house :)

The problem I have with Ben Carson, and the same with Ted Cruz, that both guys have trouble getting their messages out. Some may say that Trump is overshadowing the spotlight but I don't think that's the case. Ben Carson and Ted Cruz are repeating from what Trump had said. Example: Trump was the first to say about closing the border, the media spent 2 weeks making fun of Trump then Kate Steinle is killed by an illegal alien... then suddenly Ben Carson and Ted Cruz agrees with Trump about the border.

Please note: If Ted Cruz is serious about winning he needs to focus his attacks on the Establishment, Hillary Clinton and Obama... He needs to say something that Trump has not and he needs to say something that Trump will agree :)

I don't care what they said about Trump's slogan "Make America Great Again!" The slogan is an assault on Obama and the Establishment (or the current Republican Party that's working with Obama and the Democrats). And that's why Trump is far ahead of the game.


Sorry I just couldn't stop myself... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 03, 2016, 01:52:19 PM
WOW after listening to Mitt Romney attack on Trump... I came up with 2 conclusions.

1... If you don't like Trump... Vote for Ted Cruz

2... If you don't like Ted Cruz.. Vote for Trump

DON'T VOTE FOR ANYBODY ELSE!



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 03, 2016, 08:06:26 PM
I don't see how trump can lose at this point. The country isn't going to rally around Hillary Clinton


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on March 03, 2016, 08:24:18 PM
If it's Trump vs. Hillary, I think he'll do good to get 45% of the vote.

Roughly a third of the GOP is nuts for him, another third will hold their noses and vote for him, and the third I belong to will shake their heads and either stay home or vote Libertarian or write-in.

Women, Hispanics, and blacks will go overwhelmingly for Hillary because, even if Trump is NOT a bigot (which I don't believe for a minute), every bigot in the country is rooting for him.

It's going to be a GOP massacre.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on March 03, 2016, 09:18:54 PM
I don't see how trump can lose at this point. The country isn't going to rally around Hillary Clinton

Not sure that's true at all. 

Lot of the primaries so far have been so-called "open" primaries, meaning non-R's can vote.  Those are pretty much done.

Also, some states like SC give all delegates to one candidate, even if individual districts did not vote for him.  That's not true of every state.  Take a look at the delegate numbers for the states that split 'em up.  Trump ain't doing as well as 'reported.'

Have you looked at the actual delegate numbers vs just listened to the spin?  He is most definitely NOT winning by "all the others combined" as the common theme is reported.  In fact, give Rubio's delegates to Cruz (or vice versa) and pretty much either is beating him now, or close enough to it to make it a race.

It's far from a 'done deal.'


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 03, 2016, 09:20:18 PM
I don't see how trump can lose at this point. The country isn't going to rally around Hillary Clinton


http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/ (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/)

A lot can change but I think exactly the opposite. Anyone the Dems nominate should beat Trump comfortably. Trump has very high positives with a very small number of Americans and very high negatives with many more. 33% positive, 60% negative.

http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/188936/trump-negative-image.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/188936/trump-negative-image.aspx)

Hillary is relatively strongly disliked by of 40% (which overlaps with Trump's 33% favorable), but is nowhere near as hated as Trump. The only platform she has to run on is "I'm not Trump."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 03, 2016, 09:59:28 PM
people may dislike him but vote for him a la Howard Stern's ratings (according to Private Parts )


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 03, 2016, 11:02:31 PM
Trump ain't doing as well as 'reported.'

Oh? so far he has 319 Delegates... What does the numbers need to be to say he's doing well? I think he's doing better then expected. And it's apparent from Romney's rant that Trump is exceeding expectations.

The only person that can take out Trump is Ted Cruz and Ted Cruz is not going to do it as long as Rubio is in. And listening to Romney's rant he wants the delegates vote split so he can be nominated himself in the convention.

people may dislike him but vote for him a la Howard Stern's ratings (according to Private Parts )

Possible but I have doubts that Trumps dislike numbers are that big. I do agree that not all republicans like Trump. I disagree that those republicans will sit if Trump is nominated (it sort of make me feel like I'm a STUPID a***ole for voting for Bush, McCain and Romney. I never like those fools but I voted for them because I knew the Dem's were worst! ) But I do think (and I think the establishment is finally realizing) that Hillary cannot pull her voters. Heck, I don't see how she is beating Bernie Sanders... the Dems are flocking to Bernie Sanders but Hillary is winning (like I said the system is fixed for her to win the nomination).


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 03, 2016, 11:43:39 PM
I don't think the person who could lead this country exists. its like trying to get a president of all of Africa. We are too diverse in so many ways to be led by one magical person. DC is obsolete



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on March 04, 2016, 06:44:18 AM
I don't think the person who could lead this country exists. its like trying to get a president of all of Africa. We are too diverse in so many ways to be led by one magical person. DC is obsolete



I think lester is right. Diversity is hazardous to the unifying principles at the heart of any nation's foundation. The very idea that people can believe differently yet believe the same things is a contradiction. Diversity is at the root of every conflict that has ever existed in history, yet we're told it somehow makes our country stronger and more secure. The thing holding the United States together has always been its prosperity moreso than its principles, beautiful though those often are. As if matters weren't precarious enough already in challenging economic times, now we are infusing into our society masses of people with zero basis for valuing or understanding the traditions out of which the nation grew, broadening the diversity of outlook away from unification and toward fragmentation and its resulting chaos. And we wonder why a system that functioned well for two hundred years is so rapidly breaking down. Is it truly such a mystery?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 04, 2016, 06:47:17 AM
I don't think the person who could lead this country exists. its like trying to get a president of all of Africa. We are too diverse in so many ways to be led by one magical person. DC is obsolete



DC is not really obsolete. It's just that too many people THINK that voting for something else then their party would make a MESSAGE. It doesn't and what it does is hurt the people that are trying to vote against the democratic machine.


Yeah, I think Reagan was an awesome president but the Establishment did a good job in bastardizing conservationism. Those Cruz conservatives need to get off their Cruz high horse and see what's going on. The Establishment don't want Cruz or Trump to win. Rubio goal is not to win, his goal is to prevent Cruz or Trump from getting 1200+ Delegates. The message that Romney gave was to keep the chaos open. If Trump is leading by 200 more Delegates then Cruz should do the correct thing and drop out... unless he wants an open convention, which means Him and Trump are not going to be nominated. And who ever the establishment nominates will not beat Hillary (because too many people are going to be too p**sed off to vote and start pushing a 3rd party!)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 04, 2016, 07:22:48 AM
I don't think the person who could lead this country exists. its like trying to get a president of all of Africa. We are too diverse in so many ways to be led by one magical person. DC is obsolete



I think lester is right. Diversity is hazardous to the unifying principles at the heart of any nation's foundation. The very idea that people can believe differently yet believe the same things is a contradiction. Diversity is at the root of every conflict that has ever existed in history, yet we're told it somehow makes our country stronger and more secure. The thing holding the United States together has always been its prosperity moreso than its principles, beautiful though those often are. As if matters weren't precarious enough already in challenging economic times, now we are infusing into our society masses of people with zero basis for valuing or understanding the traditions out of which the nation grew, broadening the diversity of outlook away from unification and toward fragmentation and its resulting chaos. And we wonder why a system that functioned well for two hundred years is so rapidly breaking down. Is it truly such a mystery?

Nice :)

I don't see it as much as a mystery. I think a lot has to do with Socialism and the Hippy Movement from the 1960's.


Socialism is a new concept that sort of took off in the later 1800's and a lot of people wanted it to work. In theory it should work - at least it suggest everybody is equal. But in reality some people are always going to be more equal than others. Since the introduction of Socialism, American has been slowly pulling away from it's foundations. The people in government are more focused in reelections then doing the job and going home after it's done; so they use socialism as a tactic.


Hippy movement seemed to think that Socialism can work if the right people are doing it. So there Hippies think they are the right people and they took over the schools and government. And the decay that we've been noticing is based on those Hippies thinking they can make Socialism work.

(sorry this is my cliff-note version on what I think has gone wrong. To really explain this and to show evidence would be writing a 50 page short story.)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 04, 2016, 09:35:53 AM
And we wonder why a system that functioned well for two hundred years is so rapidly breaking down. Is it truly such a mystery?

Is the "system breaking down"? People always say that, but I don't see it. We're as prosperous as ever.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on March 04, 2016, 09:40:47 AM

Oh? so far he has 319 Delegates... What does the numbers need to be to say he's doing well?



Did you read the rest of my post?  Have you looked at the details of how the delegates for the remaining primaries pan out?

Let's say Rubio, et al drop out and their delegates pledge for Cruz.  Trump loses, even with just the delegates committed now.  Similar comment if it goes the other way.

Oh.  Here we go.  Actual data rather than wishful thinking:

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/R-PU.phtml (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/R-PU.phtml)

So Trump has 338 delegates.  He needs over 1200 to win the nomination (and that's IF the party does not block him by other means). Add Rubio's to Cruz's and you have Trump and Crux tied.  So, my statement stands.  Trump is NOT walking away with this thing they way it is being reported and the way people are being led to believe.

Even without adding Rubio's delegates to Trump's, another thing that has to be kept in mind is that many of the states that have not had primaries yet don't go "all or nothing" like SC.

Historically, success in the early primary season means nothing.  This is all just political theater, and Trump in the leading actor.  He's window dressing, and a whole lot of both conservatives and libertarians are waking up to the fact that Trump is a NYC Progressive with a good act.

Trump may well be the next R candidate for President of the United States.  But, I highly doubt it.  We'll see what happens, but we sure can't predict it based on the primaries that have already happened.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 04, 2016, 11:34:39 AM
ER -  diversity exists outside of race too though. People in Massachusetts don't have all that much in common with people in Alabama/ the bible belt. I'm sure if someone from one of those places moved to the other they would be pretty baffled, generally speaking.


also our population is over 300 million now. one person leading 300 million people and all those people mailing thousands of dollars into the same place is crazy. The scale of it.

I don't think the random people we elect to go to washington have the ability to spend 5 trillion dollars a year in a logical manner. I don't know that any entity could.

I just don't relate to the 20th century mode of government at all.

 the population in 1790 was 3,929,214 https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?dsrcid=225439#rows:id=1 (https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?dsrcid=225439#rows:id=1)

that s the nation Washington led. strikes me as a lot more manageable


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on March 04, 2016, 02:12:24 PM
lester, diversity absolutely exists outside race. It bugs me when the word gets used in that limited context, as it tends to be in this era.

Your example of people different regions is exactly right, and kind of what I was meaning when I mentioned prosperity being a great unifier. Economics has tied the various regions of America together as strongly as politics, probably even more.

A friend of mine, a New Jersey native who works daily in New York City, remarked just the other day that he doesn't feel like New York is part of the United States, it's an "international city." I think he had a good point since New York definitely has that feel to it.

Japan works extremely well, I admire the Japanese no end, and I think that's a good example of a nation "largely" devoid of heterogeneous populations creating minority communities on any great scale. This has allowed the Japanese to enjoy common similarities of outlook that Americans simply cannot lay claim to. (And, yes, I know there is strife in Japan, but it's not rooted in the same issues or on the same scale as it is in societies where many different culture groups are co-existing.)

Whenever you have diversity, you have a certain amount of disunity, however that diversity is defined, and however that disunity is expressed. Sometimes diversity comes down to the stupidest points of difference, like what church you go to on a Sunday (Northern Ireland), sometimes it's skin color, sometimes it's...well take your pick. If everyone, would live by the golden rule most of the world's problems would cease. A shame that hasn't happened.

The core of what defines a nation (beyond its physical borders) is a set of agreed-upon common values, laws, customs. When those are absent you begin to drift away from nationhood in its purest sense and head more toward something like a federation, often one defined economically, and I think the United States is heading in that direction, assuming it maintains its cohesion for the foreseeable future, as I hope it does. Whoever wins in November is, as you were absolutely right to say, not going to represent everyone, and that internal disunity is one of the two biggest threats to the United States enduring.

As for who will be the next President, the original topic of discussion here, I have to say, however someone wants to examine the underlying causes of what is going on in the (vicious) 2016 race, it is making for an interesting campaign, isn't it?

I know a lot of people reading this won't agree, and that's cool. As Ali G used to say: Respeck. (Which is another thing that'd cure a lot of social ills, basic cordial respect.)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on March 04, 2016, 05:29:18 PM
And if Bernie Sanders loses the primary (which he should because the democratic voting machine is fixed) all his supporters are going to move to Trump.

I just do not see that happening. The Sanders supporters I see are all far-lefters who despise Trump, not protest voters.


Ditto, sort of.  Some people that I talk too at college say that Trump is too much of an egotist to be taken seriously and that his demeanor would be terrible.

I "support" Sanders since he doesn't come off as a snobbish lunatic as Trumpet, Clinton, Cruz, sorta Rubio does. I say that I "support" him in quotes since I believe that if he was elected POTUS that he would die in office trying to run the US.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on March 04, 2016, 05:44:38 PM
And if Bernie Sanders loses the primary (which he should because the democratic voting machine is fixed) all his supporters are going to move to Trump.

I'm backing Bernie and should be not get the democratic nomination there's no chance in hell I'm voting for Trump.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 05, 2016, 09:07:27 AM
I don't think the person who could lead this country exists. its like trying to get a president of all of Africa. We are too diverse in so many ways to be led by one magical person. DC is obsolete



I believe this is true.
I also believe it has ALWAYS been true-except maybe long ago-when diverse people were not allowed to vote-blacks-women. This is not a land of WASP's.We have grown as a country and as a people-the "standerds" Republicans support are outdated,bigoted and rooted in flag waving nostalgia nonsense.-Its time to enter the real world of TODAY. Hitler-(yes-a Nazi reference-which is dam relevant-because Nazism was based on German nostalgia and Nationalism) took advantage of the idea that the people want to go back in time to an era were everything was peachy keen-a white bread 1950's Leave It To Beaver  world that never existed-wake up,people. Welcome to 2016.
Trump is a liar-a con artist who is telling you what you want to hear-he is finger f**king your mind with bulls**t . His aim is POWER. He doesnt want to help YOU-he wants to help himself.
Oh-for the record-I dont support Democrats either-Hillary is riding the coattails of Slick Willy. I dont trust that crazy woman either.
If I had to vote--I'd vote for Bernie Sanders. Yes-hes a Socialist. So f**king what. At this point I would vote for Bugs Bunny before I voted for Trump or Clinton.

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Oh-and this has nothing to do with anything either.

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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: javakoala on March 05, 2016, 10:04:17 AM
Let me make it clear that I do not care for the two main camps as well as their ideologies: Republican/conservative and Democrat/liberal. Yes, I'm being very black and white about this, but the biggest problem they both have is corporate rule.

Just as I believe in separation of Church (religion) and State, I think there should be separation of Corporation and State. Both parties bathe in contributions from corporate entities and end up serving corporate interests more than the will of the people.

That being said, the "will" of the people (not everyone, but enough to cause sane people to go insane) seems to be "Huh?". Ridiculously low voter turn out, and a good percentage of those who manage to vote do so based on looks, sound bites, and how well put together the candidates' ads are. If that's the case, then shouldn't George Clooney or Brad Pitt be running for political office. "A candidate is only as good as his/her last movie!"

Continuing with this generalized rant, why not place a ban on mud-slinging attack ads by politicians? I quit watching them because almost every one of them spends the entire time telling you what a scumbag the opponent is. That's nice. Would you like to give me a realistic idea of what you stand for, good sirs? Nope, because they would have to own up to being bought and sold by their contributors as well as shady crap they pray no one discovers until AFTER the election.

They might as well turn elections into reality shows and let the viewers vote by text message. It worked for American Idol, and look at how many slobbering idiots voted each week.

Screw politics. I'm gonna go watch some movies and hope that I'm wiped out in the first few minutes of the Apocalypse that will probably take place in my lifetime.

Oh, and, whoever is the last one standing, remember to turn out the lights when you leave.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 05, 2016, 10:13:37 AM
Let me make it clear that I do not care for the two main camps as well as their ideologies: Republican/conservative and Democrat/liberal. Yes, I'm being very black and white about this, but the biggest problem they both have is corporate rule.

Just as I believe in separation of Church (religion) and State, I think there should be separation of Corporation and State. Both parties bathe in contributions from corporate entities and end up serving corporate interests more than the will of the people.

That being said, the "will" of the people (not everyone, but enough to cause sane people to go insane) seems to be "Huh?". Ridiculously low voter turn out, and a good percentage of those who manage to vote do so based on looks, sound bites, and how well put together the candidates' ads are. If that's the case, then shouldn't George Clooney or Brad Pitt be running for political office. "A candidate is only as good as his/her last movie!"

Continuing with this generalized rant, why not place a ban on mud-slinging attack ads by politicians? I quit watching them because almost every one of them spends the entire time telling you what a scumbag the opponent is. That's nice. Would you like to give me a realistic idea of what you stand for, good sirs? Nope, because they would have to own up to being bought and sold by their contributors as well as shady crap they pray no one discovers until AFTER the election.

They might as well turn elections into reality shows and let the viewers vote by text message. It worked for American Idol, and look at how many slobbering idiots voted each week.

Screw politics. I'm gonna go watch some movies and hope that I'm wiped out in the first few minutes of the Apocalypse that will probably take place in my lifetime.

Oh, and, whoever is the last one standing, remember to turn out the lights when you leave.


Well said,sir! :thumbup:
Oh-we have a reality  show guy running for president,buy the way.
I have a little more faith in humankind,though-I think-I HOPE-thinking minds will prevail in the long run- sorry state of the world when most folks are lemmings-they will follow a shmuck right off a cliff.
The Cult of Personality...as the song goes.

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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 05, 2016, 10:31:25 AM
I agree with Java-from the food we eat to the people we elect to run the world-it's all about SELLING-its the selling of the President.It's not an election-its marketing .
Of course it always has been-and always will be,-its not new. There is no perfect person who will make everyone happy. Ever. And never will be.
But ignoring simple FACTS and going on face value and sound bites  :lookingup:-you have to THINK. :hot:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Zapranoth on March 05, 2016, 04:09:27 PM
You said "if I had to vote," Ronnie.

I'll point out that for our system to work, well... well all *do* have to vote.    :hot:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 05, 2016, 05:45:01 PM
You said "if I had to vote," Ronnie.

I'll point out that for our system to work, well... well all *do* have to vote.    :hot:
This is true-but if I choose not to choose I have made a choice.
And being I just quoted the band Rush-maybe its better I dont vote.
If I could choose between eating liver (ahh!) or liverwurst (ahh!) I wouldnt eat.
I am NOT gonna vote-because I cant vote for anybody-I think they are all liars.

I sure as hell dont know the answers as how to fix this world-nobody does-but this I am certain of-
Donald Trump is NOT the answer...good lord-anybody-the man is flat out  an egotistical self serving meglomaniac. He scares the hell outta me.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Zapranoth on March 05, 2016, 07:51:05 PM
If Trump secures his party's nomination, then casting no vote in the primary is making the choice to allow more probability of him becoming the POTUS.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 05, 2016, 09:09:50 PM
If Trump secures his party's nomination, then casting no vote in the primary is making the choice to allow more probability of him becoming the POTUS.

yeah-yer right. so I'll vote.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 05, 2016, 09:14:37 PM
See how easy it is to sway folks-it's not hard.
No-I'm not gonna vote. I lied. :tongueout:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 05, 2016, 09:33:58 PM
you also have the right NOT to vote.

staying home sends a message that you don't like any of the candidates enough to go down the street and pull a lever. that's how I feel so far at least


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on March 07, 2016, 03:57:09 AM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on March 07, 2016, 03:59:32 AM
Oh-and this has nothing to do with anything either.

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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 07, 2016, 07:13:43 AM
you also have the right NOT to vote.

staying home sends a message that you don't like any of the candidates enough to go down the street and pull a lever. that's how I feel so far at least

Yeah that would be true if there wasn't for election fraud. This is why the republicans need a big turnout to beat Hillary. And the republicans are not going to get this big turnout with Ted Cruz or if they slip Rubio. There is no sense for Rubio or Kasich to be in other then keeping the votes away from Trump or Cruz so they can push this to the convention - where they know they would get the support from the establishment. I still think if Ted Cruz is for helping the country then for helping himself; he should realize that Rubio and Kasich are not dropping out and therefor he should so Trump could win... otherwise we are looking an an establishment republican and Hillary the new president.

Sorry, I just don't think we have enough Americans that would vote for a True Conservative especially when the majority of the people think conservatives hate gays, blacks, women, poor people, etc...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on March 07, 2016, 07:50:23 AM
And 66% of Americans hate Donald Trump.  He's the only candidate in the race on  either side with higher negatives than Hillary.
A Trump nomination is a Hillary win, period.

Frankly, I think God is ticked off at us and this years' candidates are our punishment.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 07, 2016, 09:36:08 AM
And 66% of Americans hate Donald Trump.  He's the only candidate in the race on  either side with higher negatives than Hillary.
A Trump nomination is a Hillary win, period.

Don't believe the polls. It's hard to tell if they are telling the truth. The election results do tell a different story.

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Frankly, I think God is ticked off at us and this years' candidates are our punishment.  :bluesad:

lol I don't think God has anything to do with this. We all would LOVE to have a true Conservative in the white house. The problem is we have too many people looking for Santa and there isn't enough looking for self-responsibilities. For Ted Cruz to work he needs to get his message past the Media... And it's not happening.

I also want to point out and I do agree that we have too many stupid people voting. I never thought that was true because I thought people cannot be that damn stupid - until during Romney's presidential run and my sister (who in her 30's) was telling me she's not voting for Romney because he wants to ban contraceptives. I realized that Obama is going to win because of the stupid. What makes Trump so freaking awesome is that he's collecting the stupid vote. Love him, hate him all you want... but he's a million times better then Hillary.

Fact... Hillary killed soldiers to keep a campaign slogan alive.

Fact... Hillary had Top Secret emails in a secret server that should send her to PRISON.

Fact... Hillary (in the 1970's) help a child rapist get off... she joked about how she screwed that poor girl case in the 1980's and there's a tape of this floating in the internet.

Fact... Hillary protected Bill Clinton from the sexual scandals by smearing the victims.


Sure all we have is Trumps word that he'll closed the border and bring jobs... but I would take his word over Hillary's any day of the week.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on March 07, 2016, 09:50:21 AM

We all would LOVE to have a true Conservative in the white house.


Then how on EARTH can you support Trump for a single minute?  You think he is "Conservative?"  If so, you simply are <i>not</i> paying attention to his history, his present or a word he is saying.

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Sure all we have is Trumps word that he'll closed the border and bring jobs... but I would take his word over Hillary's any day of the week.


And why is that?  Because he's saying what you want to hear?  Meanwhile, you have blinded yourself to the number of times he's flip-flopped, changed his story, outright lied, said something one day then his 'handlers' had to correct / fix it the next day.  Good grief.  It's impossible to really know WHAT he's saying anyway.

Trump is peddling poisoned Kool Aid and a whole bunch of people are drinking it.  I truly pray to God to help this nation if he gets elected President.  What a tremendous mess that will be.

But whatever.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on March 07, 2016, 09:53:40 AM
Aww, but Trump's so strong. Like Mussolini.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 07, 2016, 10:39:12 AM

Then how on EARTH can you support Trump for a single minute?  You think he is "Conservative?"  If so, you simply are <i>not</i> paying attention to his history, his present or a word he is saying.


I don't think it matter a hill of beans if Trump is a Conservative. I do think it's annoying a "F" that "Conservative" voters are like, "I'm not voting for Trump because he's not a Conservative." Meanwhile, we all know that not voting for Trump would be a vote for Hillary. Is Hillary a Conservative? Does she deserve your golden Conservative vote?




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And why is that?  Because he's saying what you want to hear?  Meanwhile, you have blinded yourself to the number of times he's flip-flopped, changed his story, outright lied, said something one day then his 'handlers' had to correct / fix it the next day.  Good grief.  It's impossible to really know WHAT he's saying anyway.

Trump is peddling poisoned Kool Aid and a whole bunch of people are drinking it.  I truly pray to God to help this nation if he gets elected President.  What a tremendous mess that will be.

But whatever.

Get off the Kool-aid BS.


The worst that would happen is 4 years of gridlock. And if your a Conservative then you should love the 4 years of gridlock.


The best that could happen is Trump Wall is built and jobs come back to America...



The fact is... if you don't vote for Trump then your voting for Hillary. If you vote for a 3rd party your voting for Hillary. If you vote for Darth Vader your vote is for Hillary. If you vote for my dog your vote is for Hillary.


Like I said... if Cruz wins I would be happy to vote for him... But I'm also happy to vote for Trump. Who has the better odds in winning Trump or Cruz? Sorry but Trump has better odds because his supporters are not republicans. Nothing about kool aid drinking, I'm being realistic.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on March 07, 2016, 01:37:49 PM


I don't think it matter a hill of beans if Trump is a Conservative. I do think it's annoying a "F" that "Conservative" voters are like, "I'm not voting for Trump because he's not a Conservative." Meanwhile, we all know that not voting for Trump would be a vote for Hillary. Is Hillary a Conservative? Does she deserve your golden Conservative vote?




I find it cute that you choose to ignore every poll that shows Trump <i>can't</i> beat Hillary just because you wishfully think he can.

I don't know if the polls are accurate or have any predictive value whatsoever.  But, I do know that historically, he who has led by "popularity" at this stage of the primary process did NOT win the presidency.  At some point, people really do have to stop to think about what they are voting for.


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Get off the Kool-aid BS.



Nope.  You don't get to set the terms of the discussion just because you don't like what is being said.

Trump is a lying sack of feces and there is all manners of evidence, past and present, to demonstrate that.

Trump is not a conservative nor does he represent conservative (or libertarian) values.  At all.  There's all kinds of evidence, past and present, to demonstrate that.

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The worst that would happen is 4 years of gridlock. And if your a Conservative then you should love the 4 years of gridlock.




Keep thinking that.  It may be true; it may not.  He'll be in the position to wreak a LOT of damage to this country, just as Obama and several of his predecessors have done.

The thing that is very different is that we, as a nation, are running out of "time" with some of this stuff.  The Federal Reserve and global banking stuff that is going on under the surface (and is generally not being talked about) is going to come to head a some point.  It bubbled up a bit in the last decade, but but the REAL crash is yet to happen.  It may be during the next presidency or it may not; there's no way to no.

But, do you <i>really</i> think whatever is the status quo right now will continue?  Is that even <i>possible</i>?

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The best that could happen is Trump Wall is built and jobs come back to America...



Oh good grief.  There will be no wall, and 'jobs coming back to America?"  How do you get that when half the dang country doesn't WANT to work at all?  Shoot, no one would work if they thought they could get away with it, and the .gov has been doing nothing but perpetuating that mindset.

Trump's going to magically fix the entire CULTURE?  What a pipe dream.  Like I said.  Kool Aid.

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The fact is... if you don't vote for Trump then your voting for Hillary.




Again, conveniently ignoring every single poll that shows Trump losing to Hillary.  Wishful thinking does not make reality.

And, in the end, it does not really matter.  If you think for one second Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are internally governed by fundamentally different political worldviews, again...Kool Aid.  Sorry that hurts you somehow, but really.  Facts are facts.

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Who has the better odds in winning Trump or Cruz?



Again, completely ignoring a mass of poll data suggesting otherwise.  I don't know if the data are accurate predictors or not, but at least the data is there and can be pointed at: "This is what people SAY they are going to do."  And electing Trump over Hillary ain't it.

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 Sorry but Trump has better odds because his supporters are not republicans. Nothing about kool aid drinking, I'm being realistic.



Cite one single piece of actual data that shows Trump has better odds than Cruz OR Rubio of beating Hillary. 

Here's an interesting read:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/of-course-donald-trump-can-beat-hillary-clinton/471879/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/of-course-donald-trump-can-beat-hillary-clinton/471879/)

The very second sentence:  "Betting markets make Clinton the strong favorite"

And, a good closing paragraph:

"The thing about majoritarian government, though, is that nobody has to fool everybody all the time. Donald Trump’s objective couldn’t be clearer. He only has to fool half the people once."

Here's a summary of the Clinton-Trump polling data.  This is not just ONE poll, or even just the Progressive MSM's results.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html# (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html#)!

Yeah.  Trump's our guy to beat Clinton.  Sure.   :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 07, 2016, 03:24:20 PM
I hope this discussion won't get overheated.  :hot: Andrew did not like any discussion of politics at all on his boards because he thought it only led to fighting. Trump is super-polarizing, even more so than ordinary politicians. No one has gotten out of hand yet, but I think we need a proactive reminder to keep everything civil.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on March 07, 2016, 06:27:15 PM

I hope this discussion won't get overheated.  :hot: Andrew did not like any discussion of politics at all on his boards because he thought it only led to fighting. Trump is super-polarizing, even more so than ordinary politicians. No one has gotten out of hand yet, but I think we need a proactive reminder to keep everything civil.


Well, I'm done.  I've said my piece about Trump.  Everyone one else can vie for getting the last word.  I've got my flame suit on for any replies that might come.   :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on March 08, 2016, 12:00:20 AM
He seems to be more polarizing than Bush and Obama combined, but this board survived those Presidencies, and some pretty heated discussions, as I recall. 

Me?  I pretty much love everybody here, Skull, Ulthar, and Ronnie too. :cheers:
If everybody was right all the time, they would be me! :twirl:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on March 08, 2016, 01:23:15 AM
He seems to be more polarizing than Bush and Obama combined, but this board survived those Presidencies, and some pretty heated discussions, as I recall. 

Me?  I pretty much love everybody here, Skull, Ulthar, and Ronnie too. :cheers:
If everybody was right all the time, they would be me! :twirl:

 :teddyr: :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 08, 2016, 07:05:25 AM
He seems to be more polarizing than Bush and Obama combined, but this board survived those Presidencies, and some pretty heated discussions, as I recall.  

Me?  I pretty much love everybody here, Skull, Ulthar, and Ronnie too. :cheers:
If everybody was right all the time, they would be me! :twirl:


Thanks. I love everybody here too... that's why I keep coming back  :teddyr:

I hope this discussion won't get overheated.  :hot: Andrew did not like any discussion of politics at all on his boards because he thought it only led to fighting. Trump is super-polarizing, even more so than ordinary politicians. No one has gotten out of hand yet, but I think we need a proactive reminder to keep everything civil.

Don't worry. That's why to took some time off so we keep everything civil  :smile:


Well, I'm done.  I've said my piece about Trump.  Everyone one else can vie for getting the last word.  I've got my flame suit on for any replies that might come.   :wink:

Don't worry about the flame suit.

I'd already said I don't trust the polls at this point of the game because the intent of the polls are to create the news and persuade public opinion. I do suggest look at the election results.  The results do show Trump is doing better then expected and he's picking up a lot of non-republican voters. The results also show he doing well with strong religious groups (which Curz should have).


I think I said a great deal of what game the Establishment is playing. They want chaos because they don't want Trump to lock in the Delegates.


In my opinion this election if bigger then Trump. There are too many people angry with Obama and they are pushing Trump because he said the keywords first. Nobody else has took the heat that Trump did in the early summer and when that girl was killed then we get other's saying that Trump is right.


And yet you seemed to be focused why Trump is bad. I'm guessing that you have an opinion on Trump that could mirror's Glenn Beck's opinion and I think it's worthless for me to add my opinion on the subject because it won't change your mind. And I don't want to change your mind!

What I'm saying is... In the Presidential election it does matter if you vote for Trump (if he wins the primary) because anything else will go to Hillary. Really... if Glenn Beck don't vote for Trump then he has nothing to say being a Good Conservative because his support goes to Hillary.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 08, 2016, 04:27:54 PM
On Trump and Authoritarianism... (please note I said it here first)


The worst that would happen is 4 years of gridlock. And if your a Conservative then you should love the 4 years of gridlock.


Today at the end of Rush's show he actually told a Cruz supporter Trump in control of the White House is nothing like Obama's control. What's going to happen is democrat-lite republicans will join forces with the democrats and we'll see a real opposition party. Like I said (4 years of gridlock).  He also said he'll go deeper on that subject tomorrow (3-9-16). I do suggest all Cruz supporter please listen.

I only want you Cruz fans understand all is not lost (unless you don't vote in the election.)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on March 09, 2016, 07:31:13 AM
I have a feeling that Marco Rubio will soon drop out. Don't know why but I have the feeling.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Zapranoth on March 09, 2016, 09:01:07 PM
As for me, I'm not voting for Drumpfenfuhrer.   

Hillary isn't ideal but she'll do, in comparison.  Though if Bernie wins the nomination I'll be thrilled to vote for him.

That is all.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on March 09, 2016, 11:06:08 PM

Today at the end of Rush's show he actually told a Cruz supporter Trump in control of the White House is nothing like Obama's control. What's going to happen is democrat-lite republicans will join forces with the democrats and we'll see a real opposition party. Like I said (4 years of gridlock).  He also said he'll go deeper on that subject tomorrow (3-9-16). I do suggest all Cruz supporter please listen.

I only want you Cruz fans understand all is not lost (unless you don't vote in the election.)


I did not listen to Rush Limbaugh, but I did take a look at his web site to see what he talked about today.

Nothing jumped out at me as what you describe.  What was I supposed to see/hear?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 10, 2016, 06:17:20 AM


I did not listen to Rush Limbaugh, but I did take a look at his web site to see what he talked about today.

Nothing jumped out at me as what you describe.  What was I supposed to see/hear?

Sadly he didn't get into detail about it yesterday, typical Rush. I do think he'll bring it up today or friday. I know he'll bring it up again, because he said he'll get into more details and I know the Cruz people will call him about it.


Sorry, I was excited that finally Rush has said something that I was thinking for sometime.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 10, 2016, 11:47:15 AM
Trump and Sanders have similar views on foreign policy and trade issues. Does that mean the so called "bernie bros" will go to Trump in the general election? if a fraction of them do it could make a big difference


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Flangepart on March 10, 2016, 01:28:41 PM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/5b/7b/f2/5b7bf2bbe005f7c7409a06359370368f.jpg


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 10, 2016, 11:34:55 PM
Ben Carson endorsing Trump... I like that. :)

I wonder if we are looking at Trump/Carson on the ticket.


I need some help in fact checking this story:

http://patriotrising.com/2016/03/10/ted-cruz-bush-another-name/ (http://patriotrising.com/2016/03/10/ted-cruz-bush-another-name/)

I'm not going to hold this against Cruz because it could be a well made lie, but I would like to know what others think. Thanks.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Flangepart on March 11, 2016, 04:47:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/suz7c.png)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 11, 2016, 05:44:40 PM
I'm sorry I aint been hear-I started this thread,after all
I been in the hospital-I had another stint put in.

Trump-criminy-TRUMP!
I dont know what to say except that he touches a cord in extreme right wingers.
Like Hitler.He encourages fighting at his rallys-like Hitler.
He's a racist extremist-like hitler-hes not stupid-hes running on the cult of personality-this is AMERICA.WE LOVE TV.
Trump is a DESPOT.
Why is he on the GOP ticket? Even Nixon Republicans hate him! He's the most dishonest scumbags who has ever run for president-If he does win-I'll bet you dollars to donuts somebody shoots his dumb ass.
Wake up.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 11, 2016, 10:20:33 PM
http://youtu.be/3XriXDtfqCg (http://youtu.be/3XriXDtfqCg) 

http://youtu.be/Dfl_r3XPjG8 (http://youtu.be/Dfl_r3XPjG8) 

http://youtu.be/RbM2F-cfN0A (http://youtu.be/RbM2F-cfN0A)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on March 11, 2016, 11:21:10 PM
I'll leave this here
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us/trump-rally-in-chicago-canceled-after-violent-scuffles.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us/trump-rally-in-chicago-canceled-after-violent-scuffles.html?_r=0)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 11, 2016, 11:50:12 PM
Sweet Jebus-Trump is a train wreck in the making. If this mo mo gets elected-Gawd help us-the man will throw us into WW3. Watch-you think I'm crazy? My god-hasnt history spoke to you f**king Trump morons? You cant see? Trump supporters are comprised of folks who want to be in a pre WW2 Isolationist world. WAKE UP! Hes a f**kin billionare! How does he speak to the common people-?Because dum f**king TV addicted morons will vote for him-I would rather live in f**king Germany right now.-Because-the home of Hitler-has more intelligent politics then this joke of a s**t country election.Trump+HITLER. And that aint a joke or even a simile-it IS. hes a big mouth personality.God help us.-or you-Im an atheist.  :thumbdown: I aint putting my life in  the hands  of imaginary comic book gods.
Yup-I s**t on Trump supporters and Christians all at once! Aint it groovy?  :tongueout:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 12, 2016, 09:43:45 AM
Without even getting into whether Trump's policies are right or wrong, I can say he cannot be the leader of this country. There's no other candidate I call recall in my lifetime who has been so loathed. His rallies are becoming riots.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: javakoala on March 12, 2016, 11:33:21 AM
Sadly, much like ancient Rome, we, as a country, seem to enjoy a spectacle. Talking puts the average person to sleep, or they tune out and wait for the mutated version of what happened to pop up on Facebook and Reddit.

I'm not going to repeat what RC said would happen if Trump wins, but I will say that I would not be shocked, given the volatile response he brings out in both supporters and opponents, if he doesn't survive until the election itself. If he does win, then I think RC may be correct.

The only real upside to Trump making it to the election would be that we may see the largest increase in voter turnout in decades (hopefully to keep him OUT of office).

As I have already said in other postings, I'm not a fan of any of the candidates. The bulk of their "promises if elected" will never happen, which has been the norm for decades. So don't slap any labels on me for disliking Trump. I've disliked that blowhard since he first started oozing into the public consciousness ages ago.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 12, 2016, 11:42:10 AM
His rallies are becoming riots because of free speech hating thugs. Since when do people go into an event to protest it? Do anti abortion protesters go into abortion clinics pretending to be patients? gimmee a break they are trying to be confrontational and to intimidate people.

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Without even getting into whether Trump's policies are right or wrong, I can say he cannot be the leader of this country.
if he runs for the president and gets the most votes then he is. thats all it means. Obama isn't our "leader' in any other significant sense

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Trump supporters are comprised of folks who want to be in a pre WW2 Isolationist world

should we just perpetually be at war ? we're SUPPOSED to be "isolationist". We joined ww2 effort because we thought Hitler was a threat to us. Hes gone

Bring America Home isn't the what George Mcgovern said? Instead people elected Nixon! past time to correct that mistake


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 12, 2016, 01:57:15 PM
His rallies are becoming riots because of free speech hating thugs. Since when do people go into an event to protest it? Do anti abortion protesters go into abortion clinics pretending to be patients? gimmee a break they are trying to be confrontational and to intimidate people.

Quote
Without even getting into whether Trump's policies are right or wrong, I can say he cannot be the leader of this country.
if he runs for the president and gets the most votes then he is. thats all it means. Obama isn't our "leader' in any other significant sense


I mean  I think he cannot possibly get the majority of votes. I have never seen a candidate so hated in my lifetime. I'm shocked he's made it this far.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 12, 2016, 02:15:18 PM
I see. Personally I was a Ron Paul guy and see Trump as sort of a Simon bar Kakhba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_bar_Kokhba figure. i watched his rally this morning it was okay in terms of presentation but substantively it was not really my thing other than generally being anti establishment.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 12, 2016, 03:30:13 PM
His rallies are becoming riots because of free speech hating thugs. Since when do people go into an event to protest it? Do anti abortion protesters go into abortion clinics pretending to be patients? gimmee a break they are trying to be confrontational and to intimidate people.




Well-going to an event to protest it is free speech-Where else would you protest? Outside a laundromat?
And anti abortionists dont sneak into abortion clinics-they BLOW THEM UP.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on March 12, 2016, 03:48:42 PM
His rallies are becoming riots because of free speech hating thugs. Since when do people go into an event to protest it?
I take it you haven't seen peace riots taking place, since that won't get in the news as much as a f**king violent riot.
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Do anti abortion protesters go into abortion clinics pretending to be patients?
No, they burn them down without realizing that it isn't just for abortions (https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2015/10/02/four-arsons-74-days-planned-parenthood-clinics)



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 12, 2016, 08:20:39 PM
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And anti abortionists dont sneak into abortion clinics-they BLOW THEM UP.

Thats an entirely different subject I mean when they have protests they don't go in to the clinic to do it.

When the Republican convention was in NYC in 2004 there were a million people OUTSIDE protesting. they didn't try and take over the convention or something. That's not what a protest is.

A protest is demonstrating that you don't like what is happening, not trying to physically sabotage the thing. that's censorship.

vine of dude rushing the stage at Trump rally https://vine.co/v/iHY3i6EZFgX

is that activism now? no thanks


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 12, 2016, 11:28:54 PM
His rallies are becoming riots because of free speech hating thugs. Since when do people go into an event to protest it? Do anti abortion protesters go into abortion clinics pretending to be patients? gimmee a break they are trying to be confrontational and to intimidate people.

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Without even getting into whether Trump's policies are right or wrong, I can say he cannot be the leader of this country.
if he runs for the president and gets the most votes then he is. thats all it means. Obama isn't our "leader' in any other significant sense

Quote
Trump supporters are comprised of folks who want to be in a pre WW2 Isolationist world

should we just perpetually be at war ? we're SUPPOSED to be "isolationist". We joined ww2 effort because we thought Hitler was a threat to us. Hes gone

Bring America Home isn't the what George Mcgovern said? Instead people elected Nixon! past time to correct that mistake

I'm also getting annoyed by this Hitler comparison because the comparison waters down the horror's of Nazi Germany. (No thanks to Glenn Beck who seemed to believe Trump is one of the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse...) I don't mean any offence to the other's posting the Hitler crap... I just decided to avoid it because the argument is stupid.

I'm not sure if Trump is going to build a wall, kick the illegals out of America, ban sharia practicing Muslims in this country... but I'm willing to take that chance... Hillary is not going to attempt to do any of that stuff... And I have doubts that Cruz can beat Trump in the primary.

What I like about Trump - he's taking away 90% of the democrat talking points. So far the only thing they can b***h about is his wall and kicking illegal aliens out... And those ads are making others want to vote for Trump. (A friend at work was telling me that all those negative ads make him want to vote for Trump - I said Awesome!)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 13, 2016, 02:00:26 AM
 :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 13, 2016, 03:30:15 AM
Of course ya are sick of the Hitler comparisons Skull-truth hurts.
And it doesnt water down s**t-Hitler was  a egomaniac-so is f**king Trump-your being takin in by a fast talker-Hitler was a fast f**kin talker.
It fits so seamlessly its scary.
Ive never been so afraid for the future of this country as I am now.
I worked at Honne Bear Canning Co for 30 years-Lotta Mexicans-lots not legal-hard working folks I would be proud to call my brothers-rasict s**t dont hang with me. f**k that-are you an American Indian? Thought not-you aint a REAL american either,I reckon.I judge people by there HEART-not theyre point of origin-or birth country-this is 2016-quit being a scared coward of differnt cultures.
If Trump was only talking his racist s**t-thats enuff for me-I dont give a f**k about his views on anything else-I hate raciist f**ks-and thats all. f**k Trump.I dont need to know more-f**k him.Hes a billionaire TV show dickhead-maybe we can get the Kardashians in Congress? Christ onna f**kin cross. :lookingup:
So-we-as apeople-who are fed up with politics-I understand-I dont want another Clinton in office either-ever read Berlin Diary by William Shirer? Try reading about real history-instead of being a lemming.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 13, 2016, 04:07:22 AM
Quote
And anti abortionists dont sneak into abortion clinics-they BLOW THEM UP.

Thats an entirely different subject I mean when they have protests they don't go in to the clinic to do it.

When the Republican convention was in NYC in 2004 there were a million people OUTSIDE protesting. they didn't try and take over the convention or something. That's not what a protest is.

A protest is demonstrating that you don't like what is happening, not trying to physically sabotage the thing. that's censorship.

vine of dude rushing the stage at Trump rally https://vine.co/v/iHY3i6EZFgX

is that activism now? no thanks
No-it isnt an entirely differnt subject. Its the f**king same-You cant seperate s**t so easy. It is the same. Quit sticking things here and there-its all the fcking same world-politics be damed. You put things into different compartments in yer brain-OPEN UP. ITS ALL THE f**kING SAME


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 13, 2016, 08:59:56 AM
Of course ya are sick of the Hitler comparisons Skull-truth hurts.

If anybody should be compared to Hitler it should be Obama.

Hitler had Death Trains... Obama has Death Trains. (hundreds to thousands of children are raped and murder on those DEATH trains that are coming to America because Obama thought it would be a good idea to give anybody under 16 amnesty.)

Hitler hate the Jews... Obama hates Israel...

Hitler was friends with Muslims... Obama wouldn't call the Muslims terrorist... Muslims (Heck... He wouldn't even call Isis... ISIS!)

Hitler had Nazi's... Obama has Black Lives Matter... (almost every assault/assassin attack on the police was because Obama push a race card on a black thug that attacked a policeman. And the policeman had to shot the assaulting teenager because if he didn't the officer could had been KILLED... and the Teenager would had his gun! f**k YOU OBAMA!)



I'm going to take some time off and come back on/after Tuesday (I do hope Cruz sees the light and drops out.)
 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 13, 2016, 09:54:13 AM
I hate how this discussion is going.  :thumbdown: :bluesad:

This is one of the reasons I hate partisan politics. It turns people who should be friends based on common interests into temporary enemies.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: VenomX73 on March 13, 2016, 10:14:21 AM
Its not worth it Skull.

Imo It's not a fair thread... That's why I stopped posting...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 13, 2016, 11:48:01 AM
I thought Saddam Hussein was Hitler? and then it was Ahmedenjad. (but never FDR who interned people in camps because of their race)

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No-it isnt an entirely differnt subject. Its the f**king same-You cant seperate s**t so eas

were the Vietnam war protests the same as the Weather underground bombings? I don't really think so. free speech isn't just for one side or the other


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 13, 2016, 12:02:47 PM
His rallies are becoming riots because of free speech hating thugs. Since when do people go into an event to protest it? Do anti abortion protesters go into abortion clinics pretending to be patients? gimmee a break they are trying to be confrontational and to intimidate people.

Quote
Without even getting into whether Trump's policies are right or wrong, I can say he cannot be the leader of this country.
if he runs for the president and gets the most votes then he is. thats all it means. Obama isn't our "leader' in any other significant sense

Quote
Trump supporters are comprised of folks who want to be in a pre WW2 Isolationist world

should we just perpetually be at war ? we're SUPPOSED to be "isolationist". We joined ww2 effort because we thought Hitler was a threat to us. Hes gone

Bring America Home isn't the what George Mcgovern said? Instead people elected Nixon! past time to correct that mistake

I'm also getting annoyed by this Hitler comparison because the comparison waters down the horror's of Nazi Germany. (No thanks to Glenn Beck who seemed to believe Trump is one of the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse...) I don't mean any offence to the other's posting the Hitler crap... I just decided to avoid it because the argument is stupid.

I'm not sure if Trump is going to build a wall, kick the illegals out of America, ban sharia practicing Muslims in this country... but I'm willing to take that chance... Hillary is not going to attempt to do any of that stuff... And I have doubts that Cruz can beat Trump in the primary.

What I like about Trump - he's taking away 90% of the democrat talking points. So far the only thing they can b***h about is his wall and kicking illegal aliens out... And those ads are making others want to vote for Trump. (A friend at work was telling me that all those negative ads make him want to vote for Trump - I said Awesome!)
Your replys on this subject just shows your ignorance-you cant really give a give a really good reason he SHOULD lead this country-you just b***h about Obama-I dont give a f**k about Obama-he aint running for President-Im talking about a man who loves the limelight-who entices violence at his rallys-comparing Obama to Hitler is s**t-your reaching-and you aint fooling no one but yourself.
Go hide Skull-thats what cowards do. My girlfreind is black-I have issues with a racist f**ker running for president. The only reason he is where he is because hes f**king RICH. Hes buying his way in.

Hes a LOSER!
By the way-everything you stated is the most conspiracy theory s**t I ever heard-get the Loch Ness monster and aliens in their while yer at it. :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 13, 2016, 12:21:33 PM
I hate how this discussion is going.  :thumbdown: :bluesad:

This is one of the reasons I hate partisan politics. It turns people who should be friends based on common interests into temporary enemies.
I aint wild about it either-and your right-I aint gonna change anybodys mind-but if I dont try that means I gave up-and if we give up-that just invites dictatorship-Im an American-I have to fight back.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 13, 2016, 12:42:37 PM
I hate how this discussion is going.  :thumbdown: :bluesad:

This is one of the reasons I hate partisan politics. It turns people who should be friends based on common interests into temporary enemies.
I aint wild about it either-and your right-I aint gonna change anybodys mind-but if I dont try that means I gave up-and if we give up-that just invites dictatorship-Im an American-I have to fight back.

I think the best way to fight back would be to argue calmly and civilly about specific policies. I think most of the argument over Trump---both for and against---goes to emotional presumptions about the larger cultural issues we perceive he stands for---racism vs. out-of-control political correctness, authoritarianism vs. decadence---rather than what he actually is or his actual platform. This is why discussions about him get overheated in a way they don't with Obama or Clinton or Sanders or Cruz. This is why his rallies are turning into gang skirmishes. It definitely does not raise the level of discourse on either side.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 13, 2016, 12:44:53 PM
on a different note someone on twitter said this the other day: Hillary is running a 2000 campaign in 2016. I think thats rtrue. Her whole style even down to the pantsuits is like a throwback to that era. I don't think she really gets whats going on just in general.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 13, 2016, 12:53:04 PM
I hate how this discussion is going.  :thumbdown: :bluesad:

This is one of the reasons I hate partisan politics. It turns people who should be friends based on common interests into temporary enemies.
I aint wild about it either-and your right-I aint gonna change anybodys mind-but if I dont try that means I gave up-and if we give up-that just invites dictatorship-Im an American-I have to fight back.

I think the best way to fight back would be to argue calmly and civilly about specific policies. I think most of the argument over Trump---both for and against---goes to emotional presumptions about the larger cultural issues we perceive he stands for---racism vs. out-of-control political correctness, authoritarianism vs. decadence---rather than what he actually is or his actual platform. This is why discussions about him get overheated in a way they don't with Obama or Clinton or Sanders or Cruz. This is why his rallies are turning into gang skirmishes. It definitely does not raise the level of discourse on either side.
as usual-yer right Rev-I will try to control my out of control mouth.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Gene Worm on March 13, 2016, 01:11:59 PM
I hate how this discussion is going.  :thumbdown: :bluesad:

This is one of the reasons I hate partisan politics. It turns people who should be friends based on common interests into temporary enemies.

I remember you saying that Andrew never wanted any political boards earlier in this discussion. Since this thread seems to be turning his forum into a battlefield, I think it'd be nice to Andrew (despite his apparent abandoning of this website) to either reunite and chill out or to post this topic on another website. This site's about bad movies anyway, I don't see any reason for fighting on the subject of politics on a site mainly for talking about awful cinema. I don't know, you guys can decide, I'm just some old flub who likes to watch movies with rubber monsters.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 13, 2016, 01:32:27 PM
I hate how this discussion is going.  :thumbdown: :bluesad:

This is one of the reasons I hate partisan politics. It turns people who should be friends based on common interests into temporary enemies.

I remember you saying that Andrew never wanted any political boards earlier in this discussion. Since this thread seems to be turning his forum into a battlefield, I think it'd be nice to Andrew (despite his apparent abandoning of this website) to either reunite and chill out or to post this topic on another website. This site's about bad movies anyway, I don't see any reason for fighting on the subject of politics on a site mainly for talking about awful cinema. I don't know, you guys can decide, I'm just some old flub who likes to watch movies with rubber monsters.


I suspect if he were here Andrew very well might lock this thread but I don't want to presume. My personal feeling has always been people can ignore threads like this if they want to. If politics starts spilling over into other topics, then it becomes a problem.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Gene Worm on March 13, 2016, 11:41:15 PM
I hate how this discussion is going.  :thumbdown: :bluesad:

This is one of the reasons I hate partisan politics. It turns people who should be friends based on common interests into temporary enemies.

I remember you saying that Andrew never wanted any political boards earlier in this discussion. Since this thread seems to be turning his forum into a battlefield, I think it'd be nice to Andrew (despite his apparent abandoning of this website) to either reunite and chill out or to post this topic on another website. This site's about bad movies anyway, I don't see any reason for fighting on the subject of politics on a site mainly for talking about awful cinema. I don't know, you guys can decide, I'm just some old flub who likes to watch movies with rubber monsters.


I suspect if he were here Andrew very well might lock this thread but I don't want to presume. My personal feeling has always been people can ignore threads like this if they want to. If politics starts spilling over into other topics, then it becomes a problem.

I guess so, but since presidents (especially Trump) spark tons of hate and anger. It's one of those subjects that just makes people turn on each other. I just don't think Andrew would want all of this controversy and turning on each other on his website, that's pretty much all I'm trying to say. Yes, you do have a point that people can just ignore it if they don't like it, but politics (or any big controversial subject) is like a magnet, and it usually leads to chaos.

Take note into how everyone appears to be trying to bash the others' opinion, not just explain their own opinion and carry on, which is pretty much an example of a flame war or at least the start of one. So... I don't know, if you want to keep the thread going then that's fine, I'm just explaining why I don't think Andrew would appreciate the controversy happening on his website if he were here.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Flangepart on March 14, 2016, 12:30:55 PM
If the thread goes away, I'm okay with that.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 14, 2016, 03:51:57 PM
If the election itself went away I'd be okay with that


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on March 15, 2016, 01:56:43 AM
If the election itself went away I'd be okay with that

 :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Even for a political neutral, it's getting a bit much.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 15, 2016, 10:13:58 AM
I suspect if he were here Andrew very well might lock this thread but I don't want to presume. My personal feeling has always been people can ignore threads like this if they want to. If politics starts spilling over into other topics, then it becomes a problem.

Sorry I took sometime off because I don't want to turn this thread into a flame war. I don't even blame RCMerchant for his Hitler comparison. I do point my finger at the Republican party as a whole (They never seemed to argue this because calling Trump Hitler is a reflection to his voters!), the Media that repeats the Hitler comparison and Glenn Beck (whom you would believe should know the difference between Hillary and Trump).






Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Flangepart on March 15, 2016, 11:17:43 AM
If the election itself went away I'd be okay with that

 :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Even for a political neutral, it's getting a bit much.
And in truth...I never thought things would get this bad.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 15, 2016, 09:28:48 PM
If the election itself went away I'd be okay with that

 :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Even for a political neutral, it's getting a bit much.
And in truth...I never thought things would get this bad.
You haven't seen "bad", Babe.   :smile:
You boys don't know this site very long or right quick.  Any long-timer knows to take a moment to digest what our own BELA has to say.
He always enlivens discussion AND we love him. 
I've seen and been subject to worse on this site; it's not the nature of the site, it's the nature of forums.  This site is all good right now.   


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 15, 2016, 10:04:30 PM
I think politics SHOULD be heatly debated-thats why its dam AMERICA.
If you dont debate it-thats means people dont care-and if we give up giving a f**k-you just give it up to crazy a***oles.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on March 15, 2016, 10:34:10 PM

I think politics SHOULD be heatly debated-thats why its dam AMERICA.
If you dont debate it-thats means people dont care-and if we give up giving a f**k-you just give it up to crazy a***oles.


Well, to that.  NC primary turn-out is about 1/3.  No data I've seen shows any different anywhere else.  Saw an article on OHIO that was lamenting low turn-out.

Trump supporters can claim they are "winning."  They may be winning among those bothering to vote, but they are most certainly not WINNING.

In 2012, 57% of eligible voters voted.  So, with that, we can conclude that Obama won the Presidency with roughly 25% support of the US voting population.

There's something to thing about.  And, it's depressin.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 15, 2016, 10:45:50 PM

I think politics SHOULD be heatly debated-thats why its dam AMERICA.
If you dont debate it-thats means people dont care-and if we give up giving a f**k-you just give it up to crazy a***oles.


Well, to that.  NC primary turn-out is about 1/3.  No data I've seen shows any different anywhere else.  Saw an article on OHIO that was lamenting low turn-out.

Trump supporters can claim they are "winning."  They may be winning among those bothering to vote, but they are most certainly not WINNING.

In 2012, 57% of eligible voters voted.  So, with that, we can conclude that Obama won the Presidency with roughly 25% support of the US voting population.

There's something to thing about.  And, it's depressin.
Maybe I should vote.
Or start a crazy PLO Patty Hearst army-except I kidnap a f**king Kardashian.  :drink: Then folks might care. :thumbup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on March 15, 2016, 10:47:13 PM
Kidnap a Karsassian, and the "wrong people" might care.   :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 15, 2016, 10:55:49 PM
Kidnap a Karsassian, and the "wrong people" might care.   :wink:
Yeah-kidnap...nah-kid stuff-Line em up and shoot em. Thats the American way-ask the Indians.And the black slaves. And the Mexicans-and blah blah blah.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Gene Worm on March 15, 2016, 10:57:47 PM
I think politics SHOULD be heatly debated-thats why its dam AMERICA.
If you dont debate it-thats means people dont care-and if we give up giving a f**k-you just give it up to crazy a***oles.

But why on the Bad Movie site? My apologies, but I'm not quite understanding why exactly we all have to debate politics on a site like this. And as I said earlier, we already established that Andrew never wanted his forums to turn into a battlefield of controversy, so why not respect that?  :question:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 15, 2016, 11:05:12 PM
I think politics SHOULD be heatly debated-thats why its dam AMERICA.
If you dont debate it-thats means people dont care-and if we give up giving a f**k-you just give it up to crazy a***oles.

But why on the Bad Movie site? My apologies, but I'm not quite understanding why exactly we all have to debate politics on a site like this. And as I said earlier, we already established that Andrew never wanted his forums to turn into a battlefield of controversy, so why not respect that?  :question:
I understand your line of thought-
BUT-if not here-where? I think any forum should be relevant-Its not like us geeks are out in public-so why not? I understand also that Andrew always semmed like a very open minded guy-and I dont think he would disaprove of us debating politics. Hes a soldier-this is AMERICA.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Gene Worm on March 15, 2016, 11:25:57 PM
I think politics SHOULD be heatly debated-thats why its dam AMERICA.
If you dont debate it-thats means people dont care-and if we give up giving a f**k-you just give it up to crazy a***oles.

But why on the Bad Movie site? My apologies, but I'm not quite understanding why exactly we all have to debate politics on a site like this. And as I said earlier, we already established that Andrew never wanted his forums to turn into a battlefield of controversy, so why not respect that?  :question:
I understand your line of thought-
BUT-if not here-where? I think any forum should be relevant-Its not like us geeks are out in public-so why not? I understand also that Andrew always semmed like a very open minded guy-and I dont think he would disaprove of us debating politics. Hes a soldier-this is AMERICA.

Yeah, you do have a pretty good point. And after all, this is the "Off-Topic" section, which is meant for talking about things (like this) that are outside of the forum's norm. Not to mention, I guess it's not like anybody has to post on it, if they don't want to be involved.

While it still could potentially burst into a  :hot: flame :hot: war, it's not my choice to make. It's pretty much up to the mods and admins to decide what to do with the thread. And who am I to say that Andrew would disapprove? I don't even know the guy. So whatever. I'll go on about more dumb rubber monsters, while you guys can discuss politics, I'm fine with that.   :twirl:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 15, 2016, 11:32:20 PM
I think politics SHOULD be heatly debated-thats why its dam AMERICA.
If you dont debate it-thats means people dont care-and if we give up giving a f**k-you just give it up to crazy a***oles.

But why on the Bad Movie site? My apologies, but I'm not quite understanding why exactly we all have to debate politics on a site like this. And as I said earlier, we already established that Andrew never wanted his forums to turn into a battlefield of controversy, so why not respect that?  :question:
I understand your line of thought-
BUT-if not here-where? I think any forum should be relevant-Its not like us geeks are out in public-so why not? I understand also that Andrew always semmed like a very open minded guy-and I dont think he would disaprove of us debating politics. Hes a soldier-this is AMERICA.

Yeah, you do have a pretty good point. And after all, this is the "Off-Topic" section, which is meant for talking about things (like this) that are outside of the forum's norm. Not to mention, I guess it's not like anybody has to post on it, if they don't want to be involved.

While it still could potentially burst into a  :hot: flame :hot: war, it's not my choice to make. It's pretty much up to the mods and admins to decide what to do with the thread. And who am I to say that Andrew would disapprove? I don't even know the guy. So whatever. I'll go on about more dumb rubber monsters, while you guys can discuss politics, I'm fine with that.   :twirl:
Im not sure if yer being a smart ass or not-whatever-good answer!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 16, 2016, 12:02:50 AM
Everyone is telling me how dangerous Trump is but i just don't see it. He doesn't want illegal immigrants here okay, that can be right or wrong but is it dangerous? are we going to die if there aren't unlimited guys here to do yardwork or whatever for cheap? He doesn't want Muslims to come here or as many, neither do a lot of people not because they dislike them but because they're afraid of getting killed! It's a natural human reaction to terrorism. to not want to get blown up

at any rate: if Muslim and Mexican immigration was restricted, which are the big boogeymen in Trumps platform, how would that be dangerous? I just don't get that whole angle.

Also, judging by my twitter feed a lot of people who dislike him are old iraq war losers who want a more pliant/ blank slate ish W type in there. They loved Rubio RIP to his campaign tho poor guy



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on March 16, 2016, 01:32:22 AM
Everyone is telling me how dangerous Trump is but i just don't see it. He doesn't want illegal immigrants here okay, that can be right or wrong but is it dangerous? are we going to die if there aren't unlimited guys here to do yardwork or whatever for cheap? He doesn't want Muslims to come here or as many, neither do a lot of people not because they dislike them but because they're afraid of getting killed! It's a natural human reaction to terrorism. to not want to get blown up

at any rate: if Muslim and Mexican immigration was restricted, which are the big boogeymen in Trumps platform, how would that be dangerous? I just don't get that whole angle.

Also, judging by my twitter feed a lot of people who dislike him are old iraq war losers who want a more pliant/ blank slate ish W type in there. They loved Rubio RIP to his campaign tho poor guy



The only danger I see is the Republican party screwing over Trump. They are only saying it's bad because they don't know whatelse to say. Fear-mongering at it's worst.


Here is something to think about... If Cruz was so awesome then why did he fail to get second place in Florida or Ohio? Really... Rubio wasn't supposed to get second place. And he only got 13% of the vote is Ohio... does that mean that 87% of the Ohio voters are anti-Cruz?

All I know is that Trump is leading and if Cruz stays in then he's screwing over Trump and Himself. Realistically speaking, the Republicans at the convention are not going to nominate Trump or Cruz even if one of them have 1236 Delegate! Cruz should also realized that he has no chance since it's been noted for this whole week that this was a 2 man race and yet there was voters voting for somebody other then Cruz.

If Cruz is for the American people then he should drop out now, otherwise he's an idiot because he can talk until his head explodes and he will not get the nomination. This is a fact because this is why Reagan wasn't nominated in 1976.


I'm pleased that Rubio dropped out... I was hoping he would but I wasn't sure. I do hope the next cycle is the last.

PS... I do enjoy talking to you on this thread... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on March 16, 2016, 10:41:02 AM
Rubio dropped out.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2016/03/16/distant-second-home-marco-rubio-ends-disappointing-campaign/IAEZHvkhczU1T23ECyk2aP/story.html (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2016/03/16/distant-second-home-marco-rubio-ends-disappointing-campaign/IAEZHvkhczU1T23ECyk2aP/story.html)

Updated score card.

Republicans: Donald Trump, Ted Cruz and Josh Kasich.

Democrats: Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.

Independents: John McAfee and Gary Johnson.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on March 17, 2016, 08:31:58 AM
Maybe even more important than who will be the next President is who will be the next Supreme Court justice, since it seems that the most impacting changes to American society have come from the Supreme Court, ideologically deadlocked right now at 4-4. Often the court's decisions have been directly at odds with the will of the majority of the American people, with the court itself standing in as a staging ground for judicial activism rather than the upholding of legal precedent.

Gay marriage, which I personally do not oppose, is a good example. The Constitution says it is up to individual states to decide on matters not specifically defined as lying within the spehere of the Federal government. Since the Federal government never issued a marriage license, only states, and since the US Constitution says not one word about marriage in general, or homosexual marriage in particular, clearly the Federal government had no authority over the issue, the states did. Yet we saw the Supreme Court somehow take authority in direct contradiction of the US Constitution, and arguably against the wishes of the majority of the American people.

Another problem I have with the Court is its lack of impartiality. It is blatantly a political body, not a neutral, judicial one. For example after the election in 2000 we saw a direct via-party lines split that was much like holding a Presidential election inside of one room, and granting victory to George W. Bush, who may or may not have legitimately won it. Was it truly the prerogative of the court to step in at that time and in that way? Nine people gave us eight years of Bush. Not the people, not the electoral college, just those justices then serving in Washington. SCOTUS is immensely strong.

Just speaking personally, I think if there is a great weakness in the gloriously enlightened US Constitution, despite its flaws the greatest secular document ever penned, it is the power placed in this unelected, lifetime-serving group, which collectively holds greater power than any other body in American government.

It is said the justices today can be divided among those who view the Constitution as an enduring document (one to be regarded as set in intention by its writers), versus a living document (malleable according to the mores of the moment), but in reality I think it does not go that far, and comes down simply to the political loyalty, with many justices not so much interpreting the law as simply casting a vote in the nation's smallest and most exclusive election.

So I say again, who the next justice will be is arguably the most important political matter facing the country/the world, right now.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 17, 2016, 10:59:21 PM
...PS... I do enjoy talking to you on this thread... :)
Whoever "you" is...  :teddyr: :question: :teddyr: 

...
So I say again, who the next justice will be is arguably the most important political matter facing the country/the world, right now.
Whoever she is...  :teddyr: :question:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 18, 2016, 05:15:49 AM
I seriously dont see Trump winning. He has the GOPs so divided-that the Dems will stand united whoever they nominate-and I think Saunders might pull it off.
Personally-I wish Ross Perot would run again!  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on March 18, 2016, 02:04:53 PM
Obviously Pedro should be president
(http://i.imgur.com/wmEA49P.jpg)

we need humor in here to ease the tensions, too seriousness is bad for your health.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on March 18, 2016, 03:17:39 PM
I thought this was interesting: Ben Carson might be Trump's VP should he get the nomination.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/carson%e2%80%99s-camp-plots-vp-bid/ar-BBqCG6q?ocid=spartanntp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/carson%e2%80%99s-camp-plots-vp-bid/ar-BBqCG6q?ocid=spartanntp)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on March 18, 2016, 07:02:32 PM
I don't see why people say Trump can't be president. all he has to do is beat Hillary who is disliked by even her most passionate defenders, at east personally


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Alex on March 19, 2016, 02:58:35 AM
Read an article about where the various candidates have received their funds from. Found it quite interesting reading. Also one about how Trump being elected has made it into the top 10 dangers facing the modern world, mostly due to his statements about other countries being likely to end up starting trade wars.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35713168 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35713168) & http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35828747 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35828747) if anyone else wants to read them.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 19, 2016, 09:53:15 AM
ah hell-if were gonna elect out of touch dinosaurs-lets go balls deep!

(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah192/mydoginky/godprez_zpsgj8xcwck.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/mydoginky/media/godprez_zpsgj8xcwck.jpg.html)

(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah192/mydoginky/Godzilla%20For%20President%20Flyer_zpswgpjibat.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/mydoginky/media/Godzilla%20For%20President%20Flyer_zpswgpjibat.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Gene Worm on March 19, 2016, 11:49:05 AM
@RC: I'd give you karma for that if I could, those images made me chuckle.  :bouncegiggle:

But, even he has his opponent:

(http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/7/12469_12452_12489_12499_12472_12493_12473_65311_65288_12381_12398_65298_65289_.jpg)



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 19, 2016, 08:42:40 PM
Why not Godzilla-he stomps everyone-not just Mexicans! And he honest-Godzillla really wants to rule the world-and he does it by blowing hot air on you-so does Trump


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 19, 2016, 08:54:44 PM
You idiot; smarter than stree trump  :teddyr: 

GODZILLA for PRESIDENT
bevare apeman...
(http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/tumblr_mnb87rsKgB1s5or7ko3_500-1418053915.gif)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 19, 2016, 09:08:05 PM
Bevare!

http://youtu.be/qHkXFsK6UUg (http://youtu.be/qHkXFsK6UUg)
I really dont think anybody tying to be president of the USA knows what the f**k the are getting into-or care-its all about POWER. I hate them all.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 19, 2016, 09:16:53 PM

Bela didnt know what the f**k he was getting into-I dont think anybody does


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 19, 2016, 09:23:32 PM
(http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/tumblr_mnb87rsKgB1s5or7ko3_500-1418053915.gif)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 19, 2016, 09:35:58 PM
([url]http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/tumblr_mnb87rsKgB1s5or7ko3_500-1418053915.gif[/url])

So who wins? Godzilla or Kong-nobody knows. Who wins-I gave up giving a f**k.

I know this-
There was a mushroom! :thumbup:

http://youtu.be/RgZiIDaRVQU (http://youtu.be/RgZiIDaRVQU)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 19, 2016, 09:48:56 PM
Oh-dont ever watch this-it will hurt you.
I also say that about Trump-this will hurt your brain.Im done b***hin about politics.

http://youtu.be/tBUAnnMDV5Y (http://youtu.be/tBUAnnMDV5Y)
this is BAD


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Gene Worm on March 19, 2016, 11:04:15 PM

I know this-
There was a mushroom! :thumbup:



http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3iqjri (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3iqjri)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on March 20, 2016, 12:44:38 AM

I know this-
There was a mushroom! :thumbup:



[url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3iqjri[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3iqjri[/url])


That is one of the coolest things I have ever seen.  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on April 12, 2016, 02:44:12 PM
no one wants to be Trumps running mate

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-vp-picks-thanks-but-no-thanks/ar-BBrFCI7?ocid=spartanntp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-vp-picks-thanks-but-no-thanks/ar-BBrFCI7?ocid=spartanntp)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 12, 2016, 04:59:38 PM
the GOP convention is going to be insane


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on April 12, 2016, 06:34:32 PM
I'm all in for Cruz now.  Anything to stop the Trump Train! LOL


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 20, 2016, 12:18:54 AM
Walter Mitty so we can be a milquetoast nation

Milque/ toast 2016


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on April 26, 2016, 01:59:36 AM
Ted Cruz and John Kasich joining forces?  :question:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on April 26, 2016, 11:39:21 AM
Ted Cruz and John Kasich joining forces?  :question:

I'm a little confused by this as well.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 26, 2016, 03:25:25 PM
Ted Cruz and John Kasich joining forces?  :question:

I'm a little confused by this as well.

The only thing that's confusing to me is why they waited so long. The other Republican candidates waited too long before ganging up to take down Trump, now they'll either be forced to live with him as the nominee or have to pull some suspicious shenanigans at the convention. Either way the old guard of the party loses.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 26, 2016, 09:15:59 PM
I love Trumps spokesperson Katrina Pearson

(http://everything-pr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Katrina-Pierson-is-Donald-Trump%E2%80%99s-HOT-spokeswoman.jpg)

super hot imo


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on April 26, 2016, 09:45:29 PM
So was Eva Braun.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 27, 2016, 07:36:36 AM
It looks like our next first lady is either goung to be this

(http://i1.wp.com/vivirenchihuahua.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/1-16.jpg)

or this

(http://rinf.com/alt-news/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/bill-clinton-05.jpg)

Strange times...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 27, 2016, 10:31:44 AM
Trump never tried to get into art school so it's all good. he's not Hitler


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on April 27, 2016, 10:41:43 AM
They waited far too long to team up to try and take out Trump. If the dozen plus Republican candidates did this from the get go he probably would've bowed out by now due to having bad numbers or be running as an independent currently.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on April 27, 2016, 03:24:15 PM
Ted Cruz picked Carly Fiorina as his running mate, even though it's a bit early for this.

http://www.richmond.com/news/latest-news-ap/article_f8d21a03-c51a-5316-9a9a-10f688c3de73.html (http://www.richmond.com/news/latest-news-ap/article_f8d21a03-c51a-5316-9a9a-10f688c3de73.html)

Has anyone else ever announced their running mate before they won their parties nomination?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on April 27, 2016, 05:19:15 PM
That's a good question, I'm not really sure.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on April 28, 2016, 12:11:02 AM
I love Trumps spokesperson Katrina Pearson

([url]http://everything-pr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Katrina-Pierson-is-Donald-Trump%E2%80%99s-HOT-spokeswoman.jpg[/url])

super hot imo


Is it me, or is there MS Paint in the background?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on April 28, 2016, 02:31:14 AM
Ted Cruz picked Carly Fiorina as his running mate, even though it's a bit early for this.

I think he just torpedoed his campaign: didn't a lot of people lose their jobs at HP when she took over?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 28, 2016, 09:17:09 AM
definitely a charisma gap with Cruz but his platform is very strong


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 28, 2016, 08:37:44 PM
I'm all in for Cruz now.  Anything to stop the Trump Train! LOL
It's confirmed.  You will support an ideologue.  TRUMP is amusing, and who knows?  But cruz is terrifying.   

So was Eva Braun.

Are you kidding?  Even JOHN BOEHNER considers TED CRUZ the antichrist.  


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/john-boehner-ted-cruz-lucifer/480315/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/john-boehner-ted-cruz-lucifer/480315/)  

definitely a charisma gap with Cruz but his platform is very strong
People will misconstrue that you like this turd, just because of your dispassionate honesty.   :smile:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on April 28, 2016, 11:33:53 PM
Trump terrifies me far more than Cruz, to be honest.
He strikes me as a hotheaded sociopath who could easily start World War 3.  Plus, frankly, his personal morals fill me with revulsion.
Is Cruz an ideologue?  Yes, but they are mostly ideas I agree with.  He's also ferociously smart and generally consistent.  He  knows the Constitution and knows how government works.  He was not my first choice, but he's the one man left standing who MIGHT can stop Donald Trump, whom I despise with the white-hot fury of a hundred suns.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Zapranoth on April 29, 2016, 12:09:04 AM
http://youtu.be/v75wCTMZoSY (http://youtu.be/v75wCTMZoSY)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on April 29, 2016, 06:04:16 AM
Trump terrifies me far more than Cruz, to be honest.
He strikes me as a hotheaded sociopath who could easily start World War 3.  Plus, frankly, his personal morals fill me with revulsion.
Is Cruz an ideologue?  Yes, but they are mostly ideas I agree with.  He's also ferociously smart and generally consistent.  He  knows the Constitution and knows how government works.  He was not my first choice, but he's the one man left standing who MIGHT can stop Donald Trump, whom I despise with the white-hot fury of a hundred suns.

Oddly, World War 3 has already started... It started on 9/11... It's just that we are too blind to noticed this.

Sorry but Cruz is not going to do it. What he's doing now is trying to screw over the people in election by ALLOWING THE ESTABLISHMENT TO NOMINATE A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ON THE 2ND OR 3RD VOTE.

Read my lips--- "There is no guarantee that those delegate that Cruz is winning going to vote for him. If there was the Establishment wouldn't be talking about adding a new presidential candidate in the convention and trying to explain the process. I do think the Establishment want's Cruz to think he's going to have a good chance on the 2nd/3rd vote so he can screw over Trump."

SADLY, CRUZ IS TOO STUPID TO REALIZE THIS!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on April 29, 2016, 07:16:57 AM
I know I shouldn't bother to say this, it makes no difference, no one will care, it'll sound like background static, sometimes I envy the happily uninformed---just being blunt there---but whatever may be true of others running for office, Ted Cruz is an evil human being. I'm not critiquing his politics, I am saying HE is evil.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 29, 2016, 08:34:52 AM
Quote
whom I despise with the white-hot fury of a hundred suns.

kind of a tired cliche coming from the author of 5 novels. Is this the best the Trump opposition has to offer? If so their fate is sealed

;)



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on April 29, 2016, 12:05:07 PM
I know I shouldn't bother to say this, it makes no difference, no one will care, it'll sound like background static, sometimes I envy the happily uninformed---just being blunt there---but whatever may be true of others running for office, Ted Cruz is an evil human being. I'm not critiquing his politics, I am saying HE is evil.

I don't think Ted Cruz is evil. I do think Cruz is an opportunist. Being an opportunist is not evil but he is making some mistakes and I do hope he learn from them.

Mistake 1 - Directing his speech to a very narrow number of voters. Ted Cruz took in the account that focus his talking points to those that didn't vote for Mitt Romney. I think it's a mistake because his messages come off as a righteous preacher... which brings mistake 2...

Mistake 2 - The apology for Ben Carson. Character counts. When Ted Cruz won his first state he came out as a righteous preacher... then day's later it came out that he and his supporters started to tell the voters that Carson is going to drop out. I do not think there was anything wrong with him or his supporters saying that Carson was going to drop out - but I do think him apologies for the action hurt his character.

Mistake 3 - The Anti-Trump vote. Really??? So instead of taking about substance we are now talking about blocking Trump (which the message reads: Blocking the Anti-Establishment voters). Therefore the anti-establishment voters are looking at Ted Cruz as a spoiler to a contestant convention. Which brings to mistake number 4...

Mistake 4 - Not connecting the dots. The Trump voters and the Cruz voters are both focused on a similar entity. They are the anti-establishment voter. The reason why Trump voters like Trump because Trump can fight dirty! What Cruz should had done is not try to reason with the Trump voters or make the Trump voters sound like half-wits. What Cruz should had done is say how similar he is to Trump. Then he shows the similarities between him and Trump. (His little speech on how similar Trump and Hillary is an epic fail on his end)

Mistake 5 - Carly Fiorina. First we are still in primary and it's looking that Cruz can only win the nomination if there's a 2nd and 3rd vote and IF THE ESTABLISHMENT ALLOWS IT. The Vice President pick make Cruz delusional because he's not winning the primary election and that Carly had any weight. She was only given focus because it was believe she could assassinate Trump and she failed because it came out that she was an establishment player.



 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 29, 2016, 02:22:34 PM
I know I shouldn't bother to say this, it makes no difference, no one will care, it'll sound like background static, sometimes I envy the happily uninformed---just being blunt there---but whatever may be true of others running for office, Ted Cruz is an evil human being. I'm not critiquing his politics, I am saying HE is evil.
Now I am your fan.  Can't agree more.  TRUMP may be silly but that thingee is EVIL.  

I know I shouldn't bother to say this, it makes no difference, no one will care, it'll sound like background static, sometimes I envy the happily uninformed---just being blunt there---but whatever may be true of others running for office, Ted Cruz is an evil human being. I'm not critiquing his politics, I am saying HE is evil.
I don't think Ted Cruz is evil.
...
Well, he is. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on April 29, 2016, 04:03:42 PM
I know I shouldn't bother to say this, it makes no difference, no one will care, it'll sound like background static, sometimes I envy the happily uninformed---just being blunt there---but whatever may be true of others running for office, Ted Cruz is an evil human being. I'm not critiquing his politics, I am saying HE is evil.
Now I am your fan.  Can't agree more.  TRUMP may be silly but that thingee is EVIL.  

I know I shouldn't bother to say this, it makes no difference, no one will care, it'll sound like background static, sometimes I envy the happily uninformed---just being blunt there---but whatever may be true of others running for office, Ted Cruz is an evil human being. I'm not critiquing his politics, I am saying HE is evil.
I don't think Ted Cruz is evil.
...
Well, he is. 

Right now I see stupidity working here...

Cruz really thinks the establishment republicans are going to allow him to win the 2rd/3rd round vote during the Contested Convention. Even Rush said; "Cruz's pledged votes are not guarantee votes."





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 29, 2016, 08:46:06 PM
I was really p**sed at the way Cruz treated middle eastern Christians at a conference meant to bring attention to their plight http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/11/ted-cruz-is-no-hero-for-insulting-a-room-of-persecuted-christians/. (http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/11/ted-cruz-is-no-hero-for-insulting-a-room-of-persecuted-christians/.) hardly seemed the time to play politics but I guess that's what politicians do


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 29, 2016, 10:16:03 PM
I was really p**sed at the way Cruz treated middle eastern Christians at a conference meant to bring attention to their plight [url]http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/11/ted-cruz-is-no-hero-for-insulting-a-room-of-persecuted-christians/.[/url] ([url]http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/11/ted-cruz-is-no-hero-for-insulting-a-room-of-persecuted-christians/.[/url]) hardly seemed the time to play politics but I guess that's what politicians do
  :smile:
How 'bout he's a sh!t?  No offense intended. 
I'm amazed that people can look at that and not know what it is.  Christians persecuted worldwide?  It does not care.  I think the person I refer to, "It",  is frightening.  It's not good for America.  Nor is it Christian, which it purports to be.  JESUS died on the cross. 

I knelt in Church this morning.  I pray for the people I know are good.  My heart hurts. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 30, 2016, 10:12:54 AM
these are people who could convert to Islam at any time and their lives would be a million times easier but they don't. its like dude have some respect


a guy at work yesterday had an phone with the Trump rally going and whatever those protesters were trying to achieve I'd say they achieved the opposite. this whole thing of disrupting opposition rallies has to stop. its not a game people are getting hurt.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 30, 2016, 11:05:41 PM
http://youtu.be/vt-vG_TdOT4 (http://youtu.be/vt-vG_TdOT4)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on May 01, 2016, 12:20:14 AM
Knock it outta the park buddy. :thumbup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 01, 2016, 06:44:46 AM
these are people who could convert to Islam at any time and their lives would be a million times easier but they don't. its like dude have some respect


a guy at work yesterday had an phone with the Trump rally going and whatever those protesters were trying to achieve I'd say they achieved the opposite. this whole thing of disrupting opposition rallies has to stop. its not a game people are getting hurt.



The protesters would be there if it was Ted Cruz, Scott Walker or even Jeb Bush were the front runners. I think they are Hillary people and the intent is to gain support on her side.

I do agree that the protesters are making Trump better and better. Only because the protesters are not making Trump backdown.



[url]http://youtu.be/vt-vG_TdOT4[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/vt-vG_TdOT4[/url])



Cute video... I think everybody wants to rule the world... I knew I have those dreams.


What I have a hard time understanding was what he said before ruling the world...  :question:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 03, 2016, 12:47:32 PM
...
[url]http://youtu.be/vt-vG_TdOT4[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/vt-vG_TdOT4[/url])

Cute video... I think everybody wants to rule the world... I knew I have those dreams.

What I have a hard time understanding was what he said before ruling the world...  :question:

"CUTE...?"   :lookingup: There's nothing "cute" about that sh!t. 

What you don't understand is his "joke" about "aspirations" being "sweat on" his "butt"...  :hatred: 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 03, 2016, 05:42:34 PM
...
[url]http://youtu.be/vt-vG_TdOT4[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/vt-vG_TdOT4[/url])

Cute video... I think everybody wants to rule the world... I knew I have those dreams.

What I have a hard time understanding was what he said before ruling the world...  :question:

"CUTE...?"   :lookingup: There's nothing "cute" about that sh!t. 

What you don't understand is his "joke" about "aspirations" being "sweat on" his "butt"...  :hatred: 


I had a hard time hearing his joke.

If somebody had a video on me when I was 18 I would say "I want to rule the world and/or be as awesome as the Fonz." 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 03, 2016, 07:50:00 PM
Tom Cruz drops out to make Risky Business 2

2 left on each team


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 03, 2016, 08:17:03 PM
That means Trump's the nominee.  I've never been more depressed about politics in my life.  My party has sold its soul to the devil, and I have no place to go.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on May 03, 2016, 09:22:31 PM
That's it, We're screwed!
I can't see this going well either way.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on May 04, 2016, 01:23:13 AM
I had an interesting thought: If John Kasich was given all the delegates that Trump didn't win from Cruz and so forth would he have enough to beat Trump?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on May 04, 2016, 01:47:01 AM
I was very surprised to hear that Ted Cruz had dropped out and that Bernie Sanders had beaten my ex mother in law in Indiana. What next? Trevor runs for Prez?  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 04, 2016, 01:57:44 AM

http://youtu.be/-ILzhoCuJSs (http://youtu.be/-ILzhoCuJSs)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 04, 2016, 05:46:39 AM
Tom Cruz drops out to make Risky Business 2

2 left on each team

Finally Ted Cruz did something smart. I don't think Cruz had the guarantee delegate for the second and 3rd vote and if the Establishment picked somebody other then Cruz or Trump... Nobody is voting for the Republican party.

That means Trump's the nominee.  I've never been more depressed about politics in my life.  My party has sold its soul to the devil, and I have no place to go.

You need to relax. The Republican party did this to themselves. The American People wanted an opposition to Obama and they voted for this opposition in 2010 and 2014. And instead of opposition we got partnership. I knew Trump was going to win the nomination because he was the first to talk about the Illegal Aliens and the Wall and he did it on a Monday 15 mins before Rush's Show on the day when Rush was supposed to be talking about Jeb Bush. Because Jeb Bush announced his run on Friday (at the end of Rush's show). Nobody supported Trump on the issue until the shooting of Kathryn Steinle. And it's sad but because the killer was an an Illegal Alien that was deported several times, it made Trump so damn right. 

Please note that most of the states that Cruz did win, Trump came second place.

As for Trumps negatives. It's nothing compared to Hillary, if she didnt have the super delegates she would be loosing against Bernie.


And I still see Trump vs Sanders for the president. I cannot picture why Hillary is going to become president when she did treason with her server. (She took Top Secret information and sold it to other countries. I know this is going to come out and Sanders know this too that's why he is still running)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on May 04, 2016, 06:26:35 AM
I had an interesting thought: If John Kasich was given all the delegates that Trump didn't win from Cruz and so forth would he have enough to beat Trump?

That thought struck me as well.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 04, 2016, 07:54:15 AM
Too late for GOP to rally around Kasich? He can point to polls showing he would beat Clinton in a general election while Trump loses to Clinton:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_kasich_vs_clinton-5162.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_kasich_vs_clinton-5162.html)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 04, 2016, 09:21:28 AM
the GOP donor class gave Jeb Bush what.... hundreds of millions of dollars. Thats who they thought was going to win and who the Republican base would rally around. Jeb was a decent governor and is brighter than his brother W but he is 100% compliant to that donor class. He's a status quo kind of guy and thats not a horrible thing but he doesn't project an actual personality. All of the other candidates especially trump were more unique and have more passion about what they care about than him. trump is a nationalist that's his thing and it's popular right now because of white working class unemployment and war fatigue.

Right now Europe is getting fed Saddam 2003 type conspiracy theories about Assad, Syrias president. Some of them are probably true but he is the same dictator he was 5 years ago when no one cared.  the point is the whole international order and liberal interventionism and so forth. The US is NOT being subject to this barrage.

Rupert Murdoch owns media outlets in both countries why isn't he running all the Assad stuff here? because he knows it will get no traction. The American mood is pulling away from not only the international order but from its own central government. not towards libertarianism as I might hope but to a kind of new regionalism. No one is supporting Bernie Sanders an old socialist blowhard because of his looks or personality or because they want US troops patrolling Damascus. They want to bring their kids to soccer practice, have barbeques, go to work and come home and just tend their gardens.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on May 04, 2016, 12:09:47 PM
And now John Kasich drops out too: Oy.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on May 04, 2016, 04:11:52 PM
Trump vs Bernie or Clinton


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 04, 2016, 04:57:07 PM
I wish bernie could win the democratic nomination. sucks for dems to have to hold their nose and vote for Hillary who hasn't evolved one iota since the last century. no offense to her supporters here it just seems like Bernie expresses the base better but then I suppose he would have won


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on May 04, 2016, 05:32:24 PM
If Hilary becomes prez, I'm moving to..... Oh, hang on, I'm already here.  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 04, 2016, 07:29:55 PM
I'm still glad.  B'bye you piece of sh!t.   :smile: 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 04, 2016, 09:23:53 PM
For the first time ever, since I became old enough to vote, I will not cast a ballot for the Republican nominee.

This feels really weird. :buggedout:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 05, 2016, 05:53:38 AM
For the first time ever, since I became old enough to vote, I will not cast a ballot for the Republican nominee.

This feels really weird. :buggedout:


I don't get it... Than maybe you should be a democrat... your no vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary. There is no way around it.

There is nothing that Trump did that can be equal to Hillary.


This alone should make you realize who is a bad guy and should never become president:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2658801/I-never-trusted-polygraph-Hillary-Clinton-LAUGHS-recalls-helped-suspected-child-rapist-walk-free-prosecution-lost-crucial-evidence.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2658801/I-never-trusted-polygraph-Hillary-Clinton-LAUGHS-recalls-helped-suspected-child-rapist-walk-free-prosecution-lost-crucial-evidence.html)

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/06/16/chilling-hillary-audio-she-laughs-at-how-she-got-a-child-rapist-off-with-plea-bargain-discredited-12-year-old-victim-125782 (http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/06/16/chilling-hillary-audio-she-laughs-at-how-she-got-a-child-rapist-off-with-plea-bargain-discredited-12-year-old-victim-125782)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QnmilCVzdw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QnmilCVzdw)



And I can bring several more points why Hillary should never become president.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 05, 2016, 06:26:20 AM
So you'd rather see the country run by a borderline psychopath?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 05, 2016, 08:49:57 AM
So you'd rather see the country run by a borderline psychopath?

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html[/url] ([url]http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html[/url])


Do we have actual evidence that Trump is a Psychopath... No. This is just opinions. Worst, it's a anti-Trump propaganda that has no substance.


OMG I have to quote this.

Quote
While I disagree with many of Hillary Clinton’s policies, she is clearly qualified to be president. She possesses judgment and self-restraint.


Epic fail!!!! Hillary private server is proof of lack of Judgement and Self-restraint. Anybody said otherwise is talking out of there ass. You cannot take anybody seriously when they say Hillary has good Judgement and Self-Restraint and the FBI is looking at her Email Server. Which if it was anybody else... they are looking at 10 years in prison.


Do you want somebody that is TOO DAMN STUPID TO UNDERSTAND NATIONAL SECURITY? And Hillary is trying to play the I'm sorry I was stupid. Lets be realistic, Hillary was not stupid, she did it with intent to sell information to other countries - which is treason.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on May 05, 2016, 09:29:03 AM
I wouldn't completely dismiss Bernie's chances as he won Indiana yesterday. Sure, he's got a lot of ground to make up.

But that could be wishful thinking on my part.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 05, 2016, 09:47:50 AM
I wouldn't completely dismiss Bernie's chances as he won Indiana yesterday. Sure, he's got a lot of ground to make up.

But that could be wishful thinking on my part.


I would like to see Bernie win too but he cannot beat those super delegates.

(http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/S/B/z/1/superdelegates_sac0213cd.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 05, 2016, 10:47:36 AM
...
Do we have actual evidence that Trump is a Psychopath... No. This is just opinions. Worst, it's a anti-Trump propaganda that has no substance.
...
Do you want somebody that is TOO DAMN STUPID TO UNDERSTAND NATIONAL SECURITY? And Hillary is trying to play the I'm sorry I was stupid. Lets be realistic, Hillary was not stupid, she did it with intent to sell information to other countries - which is treason.
Yeh?  Where is your evidence?  This is anti-Clinton propaganda...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 05, 2016, 10:58:17 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html)
"From 2006 to 2009, I worked in the White House for George W. Bush. "

yeah no kidding. hows that WMD search going

"She possesses judgment and self-restraint. "

Trump is mean, so conservatives should support open borders, abortion, feminism etc okay


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 05, 2016, 11:36:51 AM
...
Do we have actual evidence that Trump is a Psychopath... No. This is just opinions. Worst, it's a anti-Trump propaganda that has no substance.
...
Do you want somebody that is TOO DAMN STUPID TO UNDERSTAND NATIONAL SECURITY? And Hillary is trying to play the I'm sorry I was stupid. Lets be realistic, Hillary was not stupid, she did it with intent to sell information to other countries - which is treason.

Yeh?  Where is your evidence?  This is anti-Clinton propaganda...




Secret Server was hers (she admit to it)

Nearly 2,100 emails on the server have been retroactively marked as classified by the State Department. They were not marked as classified at the time they were sent. This includes 65 emails deemed "Secret" and 22 deemed "Top Secret".


Is Hillary an Idiot or Criminal Intent. She is trying to pass off the Idiot defense because she cannot admit the other... either case she not qualified to be President.


(Sorry if you cannot get past that...)

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html[/url] ([url]http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/03/any-republican-who-thinks-its-better-to-elect-trump-than-hillary-needs-their-head-examined.html[/url])
"From 2006 to 2009, I worked in the White House for George W. Bush. "

yeah no kidding. hows that WMD search going

"She possesses judgment and self-restraint. "

Trump is mean, so conservatives should support open borders, abortion, feminism etc okay


I know it seems odd... The logic makes no sense, especially when a conservative opens his/her mouth it's assumed that the person is mean and nasty. Really, it's assumed that Ted Cruz is evil...

Trump is mean... that's why I like him! Because we need some ass kicking in the White House :)



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 05, 2016, 12:35:46 PM
...
Do we have actual evidence that Trump is a Psychopath... No. This is just opinions. Worst, it's a anti-Trump propaganda that has no substance.
...
Do you want somebody that is TOO DAMN STUPID TO UNDERSTAND NATIONAL SECURITY? And Hillary is trying to play the I'm sorry I was stupid. Lets be realistic, Hillary was not stupid, she did it with intent to sell information to other countries - which is treason.
Yeh?  Where is your evidence?  This is anti-Clinton propaganda...

Secret Server was hers (she admit to it)

Nearly 2,100 emails on the server have been retroactively marked as classified by the State Department. They were not marked as classified at the time they were sent. This includes 65 emails deemed "Secret" and 22 deemed "Top Secret".


Is Hillary an Idiot or Criminal Intent. She is trying to pass off the Idiot defense because she cannot admit the other... either case she not qualified to be President.
...
That is not evidence of "treason" or graft. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 05, 2016, 01:17:52 PM
...
Do we have actual evidence that Trump is a Psychopath... No. This is just opinions. Worst, it's a anti-Trump propaganda that has no substance.
...
Do you want somebody that is TOO DAMN STUPID TO UNDERSTAND NATIONAL SECURITY? And Hillary is trying to play the I'm sorry I was stupid. Lets be realistic, Hillary was not stupid, she did it with intent to sell information to other countries - which is treason.

Yeh?  Where is your evidence?  This is anti-Clinton propaganda...


Secret Server was hers (she admit to it)

Nearly 2,100 emails on the server have been retroactively marked as classified by the State Department. They were not marked as classified at the time they were sent. This includes 65 emails deemed "Secret" and 22 deemed "Top Secret".


Is Hillary an Idiot or Criminal Intent. She is trying to pass off the Idiot defense because she cannot admit the other... either case she not qualified to be President.
...
That is not evidence of "treason" or graft.  


Levin can explain it...

http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/margaret-knapp/levin-sect-793-penal-code-what-hillary-clinton-has-worry-about (http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/margaret-knapp/levin-sect-793-penal-code-what-hillary-clinton-has-worry-about)

The law: Section 793 of the Penal Code

Don't want to listen to Levin:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793)


Even if her secret server was an accident or stupidity - she should be punished. Hillary a lawyer that was so damn good in getting a rapist of a 12 year old off, than she should be smart enough to under the law that she violated.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 05, 2016, 04:15:48 PM
...
Even if her secret server was an accident or stupidity - she should be punished. Hillary a lawyer that was so damn good in getting a rapist of a 12 year old off, than she should be smart enough to under the law that she violated.
I am aware of the violations, or criminal activities HILLARY CLINTON is accused of and may be guilty of.  However, your accusation of "treason" is not among the possible violations, and your latest potshot makes your personal feelings about her clear. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 05, 2016, 05:36:23 PM
...
Even if her secret server was an accident or stupidity - she should be punished. Hillary a lawyer that was so damn good in getting a rapist of a 12 year old off, than she should be smart enough to under the law that she violated.

I am aware of the violations, or criminal activities HILLARY CLINTON is accused of and may be guilty of.  However, your accusation of "treason" is not among the possible violations, and your latest potshot makes your personal feelings about her clear. 


This:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.


This:

Nearly 2,100 emails on the server have been retroactively marked as classified by the State Department. They were not marked as classified at the time they were sent. This includes 65 emails deemed "Secret" and 22 deemed "Top Secret".


This:

The Secretary of State, appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate, is the President’s chief foreign affairs adviser. The Secretary carries out the President’s foreign policies through the State Department and the Foreign Service of the United States.


The math says Treason.


Even if her action was stupidity...

This:

http://www.ibtimes.com/romanian-hacker-guccifer-claims-he-hacked-hillary-clintons-completely-unsecured-email-2364424 (http://www.ibtimes.com/romanian-hacker-guccifer-claims-he-hacked-hillary-clintons-completely-unsecured-email-2364424)


Her actions was reckless and dangerous (top secret information was hacked)...

Treason...


As for my little punch below the belt... Sorry but I cannot buy that she is that stupid. I know its a lie and it's coming from the same people that gave us, "It depends on what the definition of is is."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 05, 2016, 05:37:19 PM
I'll be honest: Neither front-runner is acceptable to me.
So I will be voting for someone else.  It's that simple.  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 05, 2016, 08:04:32 PM
...
Even if her secret server was an accident or stupidity - she should be punished. Hillary a lawyer that was so damn good in getting a rapist of a 12 year old off, than she should be smart enough to under the law that she violated.

I am aware of the violations, or criminal activities HILLARY CLINTON is accused of and may be guilty of.  However, your accusation of "treason" is not among the possible violations, and your latest potshot makes your personal feelings about her clear. 

This:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
This:
Nearly 2,100 emails on the server have been retroactively marked as classified by the State Department. They were not marked as classified at the time they were sent. This includes 65 emails deemed "Secret" and 22 deemed "Top Secret".
This:
The Secretary of State, appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate, is the President’s chief foreign affairs adviser. The Secretary carries out the President’s foreign policies through the State Department and the Foreign Service of the United States.
The math says Treason.
Even if her action was stupidity...
This:
[url]http://www.ibtimes.com/romanian-hacker-guccifer-claims-he-hacked-hillary-clintons-completely-unsecured-email-2364424[/url] ([url]http://www.ibtimes.com/romanian-hacker-guccifer-claims-he-hacked-hillary-clintons-completely-unsecured-email-2364424[/url])
Her actions was reckless and dangerous (top secret information was hacked)...
Treason...
 
I think any attempt to prosecute HILLARY for treason would be very difficult to prove. 
You have certainly backed off the selling of information assertion.  But don't think I defend mindlessly.  I am merely dispassionate about anyone accused of a crime when I don't see the evidence and interested only in justice. 

I'll be honest: Neither front-runner is acceptable to me.
So I will be voting for someone else.  It's that simple.  :teddyr:

I'm inclined to agree. 



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 05, 2016, 09:05:51 PM
GREAT NEWS, GUYS!!

I've solved all our problems.  I've given us a better alternative.

Tonight, on FB, I announced my candidacy for President of the United States.

It's time to put facial hair BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

SMITH 2016 - TIME TO SCHOOL AMERICA!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 05, 2016, 09:59:43 PM
GREAT NEWS, GUYS!!

I've solved all our problems.  I've given us a better alternative.
Tonight, on FB, I announced my candidacy for President of the United States.
It's time to put facial hair BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE!
SMITH 2016 - TIME TO SCHOOL AMERICA!
You, my friend, are an idiot. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 06, 2016, 06:03:48 AM

I think any attempt to prosecute HILLARY for treason would be very difficult to prove.  

I'm hoping that true but every time something comes up with the clinton's that makes them overwhelmly guilty they are able to slip by. Worst the mainstream media don't do anything about it... while watergate, Iran Contra and calling Bush out on failing to find weapons of mass destruction... the Media was all over it like flies in s**t.

The fact is Hillary was not supposed to have a secret server and she had it. (This is just like Bill Clinton telling the American people that he did not have sex with Monica and we find his DNA on her dress.) I swear the Clinton's could shot somebody on the street and hundreds saw it and the media will come out and act like it was nothing.

The secret server should be hotter then watergate... Heck during Obama's 7.5 years there should be a dozen of things hotter than watergate...

Do you know what was the biggest thing that hit since watergate? Trump calling the Illegal Aliens criminals.


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You have certainly backed off the selling of information assertion.

I think she was selling information or had plans on selling information.


If the police busted a drug dealer's home and found drugs... we can assume they are selling the drugs or have plans in selling the drugs.


Hillary had Top Secret files on her personal computer...   What other possibility could it be? Stupidity... Really, Hillary was stupid... Then why should anybody elect an idiot in the white house.

(I know she wasn't stupid. I know this was done with the intent to sell. There is no other logical reason to have the information she had and there was no other logical reason why she was willing to delete this information on her server.)


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But don't think I defend mindlessly.  I am merely dispassionate about anyone accused of a crime when I don't see the evidence and interested only in justice.  

The evidence is her secret server. The law is Section 793 of the Penal Code. Why is she not in jail? That's the question that flocked a good number of Hillary voters to Trump and Sanders.




GREAT NEWS, GUYS!!

I've solved all our problems.  I've given us a better alternative.

Tonight, on FB, I announced my candidacy for President of the United States.

It's time to put facial hair BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

SMITH 2016 - TIME TO SCHOOL AMERICA!

If you can get more voters than Trump before the end of the democratic primary - well I'll vote for you. Otherwise, my vote is not going towards Hillary :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 06, 2016, 07:57:24 AM
GREAT NEWS, GUYS!!

I've solved all our problems.  I've given us a better alternative.

Tonight, on FB, I announced my candidacy for President of the United States.

It's time to put facial hair BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

SMITH 2016 - TIME TO SCHOOL AMERICA!

Please tell us more, we need to turn this thread in a positive direction.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on May 06, 2016, 08:30:15 AM
GREAT NEWS, GUYS!!

I've solved all our problems.  I've given us a better alternative.

Tonight, on FB, I announced my candidacy for President of the United States.

It's time to put facial hair BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

SMITH 2016 - TIME TO SCHOOL AMERICA!

Please tell us more, we need to turn this thread in a positive direction.

I hereby renounce my South African citizenship and will vote for Indy  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 06, 2016, 08:32:10 AM
GREAT NEWS, GUYS!!

I've solved all our problems.  I've given us a better alternative.

Tonight, on FB, I announced my candidacy for President of the United States.

It's time to put facial hair BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

SMITH 2016 - TIME TO SCHOOL AMERICA!

Please tell us more, we need to turn this thread in a positive direction.

I hereby renounce my South African citizenship and will vote for Indy  :teddyr:

wow... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 06, 2016, 08:37:31 AM
Do you need a campaign manager, Indy?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on May 06, 2016, 08:52:00 AM
I hereby announce that I am Indy's walking mate. Not running mate as I had enough of that in high school.

Also, when I am Veep, free undies for everyone. Mine.  :buggedout: :buggedout: :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 06, 2016, 09:50:31 AM
unlike apparently some people I'm not very impressed when a candidate is magnanimous in victory. They're euphoric, the whole world looks beautiful including their opponent who they spent months hating. of course they are going to show basic respect (that they didn't in the campaign) in that moment


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 06, 2016, 10:52:41 AM
unlike apparently some people I'm not very impressed when a candidate is magnanimous in victory. They're euphoric, the whole world looks beautiful including their opponent who they spent months hating. of course they are going to show basic respect (that they didn't in the campaign) in that moment

I think it's awesome that Rick Perry endorses Trump :)


I wonder if the anti-Trump supporters would like Trump if he nominates Ted Cruz to the supreme court... [There has been talk about this for almost 2 months.]




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 06, 2016, 03:10:11 PM
Interesting HILLARY story:

Hillary Clinton is going to be exonerated on the email controversy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/05/06/hillary-clinton-is-going-to-be-exonerated-on-the-email-controversy-it-wont-matter/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/05/06/hillary-clinton-is-going-to-be-exonerated-on-the-email-controversy-it-wont-matter/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 06, 2016, 03:25:31 PM
What's your platform, Indy? And are you prepared to answer questions about your running mate's birth certificate?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on May 06, 2016, 04:58:34 PM
What's your platform, Indy? And are you prepared to answer questions about your running mate's birth certificate?

I'm more concerned with his smelly undies.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 06, 2016, 06:16:21 PM
My basic platform has four planks:

1. Common sense.
2. Moral decency.
3.  A mandatory 24 hour verification period before posting hot rumors on social media.
4.  Replacing "Hail to the Chief" with Journey's "Don't Stop Believing!" as the Presidential anthem.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 06, 2016, 07:01:35 PM
My basic platform has four planks:

1. Common sense.

And you hate Trump...  Trump's campaign is based on common sense. You might like it but they are common sense. :teddyr: (I'll vote for Common Sense)

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2. Moral decency.

Bill Clinton destroyed that in the 1990's and it becomes a senseless issue that Establishment Republicans use to weed out good men. Especially when they know nobody can live by the suggested standard. This is really a sick trap.

Like I said, if Ted Cruz didn't apologizes for Iowa; he might be the the Republican nominee... (Trump looks good because he fights dirty and we are so damn tired of hearing moral decency while the Democrats are in your face immoral.)


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3.  A mandatory 24 hour verification period before posting hot rumors on social media.

Sounds like Big Government Censorship to me... You might want to drop this one :)

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4.  Replacing "Hail to the Chief" with Journey's "Don't Stop Believing!" as the Presidential anthem.

Well... I do like this one... 2 out of 4 isn't that bad... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 06, 2016, 07:10:02 PM
If I was president all of my focus would be on driving related issues and eliminating slow and/or distracted drivers from this Earth. and endless skateparks paid for by like a tariff or something


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 06, 2016, 07:13:16 PM
If I was president all of my focus would be on driving related issues and eliminating slow and/or distracted drivers from this Earth. and endless skateparks paid for by like a tariff or something

lol... If I was president I would be assassinated on the day I put my hand on the bible. I would throw everybody out of office and shut down the government until term limits is established... Everybody including the justice would have term limits.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 06, 2016, 07:25:09 PM
I drive for a living and skateboard as a hobby but thats not why those are my only two issues


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 06, 2016, 07:47:47 PM
I drive for a living and skateboard as a hobby but thats not why those are my only two issues

Skateboard for a hobby that is so awesome! I tried to skateboard in the late 80's and failed, I just don't have the dexterity for it... It would be awesome to see a president or vice-president skateboard to the white house.

I'm not sure what to do with detracted drivers. I used to see people read newspapers while driving, plucking nose hairs, shave, makeup, watch a TV... maybe we should have automated automobiles. (I just cannot see how we could live if we drive vehicles like the Jetsons.)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 06, 2016, 08:06:40 PM
If I was president all of my focus would be on driving related issues and eliminating slow and/or distracted drivers from this Earth. and endless skateparks paid for by like a tariff or something

How about a skateboard tax to pay for them? That makes the most sense. Knowing you, you'd probably try to tax my beer to pay for your skate parks. If I were President I'd tax skateboards to pay for microbrewery subsidies!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 06, 2016, 08:10:58 PM
Skull - it's annoying because normally everyone goes the same speed and does the same thing but with texting drivers and so forth theres this knuckleball factor. you don't know when they are going to speed up or slow down or what they are going to do

rev- beer is much cheaper than skateboards, but Belgian beers are already too expensive so I'd say get the money from selling national monuments to the Chinese


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 06, 2016, 09:23:20 PM
I am also going to add a Cabinet Level Department of Smackage to the Federal Government.
Its employees will travel the country administering smacks in the head to all the idiots who desperately need them.

We'll start at the House of Representatives and work from there.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 07, 2016, 06:00:33 AM
Skull - it's annoying because normally everyone goes the same speed and does the same thing but with texting drivers and so forth theres this knuckleball factor. you don't know when they are going to speed up or slow down or what they are going to do

I'm not out to defend texters but usually I see them texting is when traffic isnt moving. Sometimes people would text in a red light and then not notice it's green and speed (I'll even bet most of the texting accidents happen this way).

I am also going to add a Cabinet Level Department of Smackage to the Federal Government.
Its employees will travel the country administering smacks in the head to all the idiots who desperately need them.

We'll start at the House of Representatives and work from there.

well well well... you do have a little Trump in you :)

Yes I would vote to see this... I'm voting for Trump because I think he'll do the same and would also consider him insulting the idiots to the people would be almost the same as a smack in the head. Omg, could you imagine Trumps first 100 days when he comes out to talk to the American people. What I know based on what I'm seeing the Establishment Republicans don't want to work with Trump and the Democrats will not work with Trump... I'm hoping Trump gets nasty and tells the American people each idiot blocking him and I hope it wises up the people to start voting them out of office.

We have too many KINGS and not enough workers in Washington. We need to get some of these KINGS out of office and to do that we need to expose who are the KINGS.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 07, 2016, 08:10:58 AM
I am also going to add a Cabinet Level Department of Smackage to the Federal Government.
Its employees will travel the country administering smacks in the head to all the idiots who desperately need them.

We'll start at the House of Representatives and work from there.

I'm throwing my hat in the ring for the position of Secretary of Smackage.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on May 07, 2016, 02:10:17 PM
My basic platform has four planks:

1. Common sense.
2. Moral decency.
3.  A mandatory 24 hour verification period before posting hot rumors on social media.
4.  Replacing "Hail to the Chief" with Journey's "Don't Stop Believing!" as the Presidential anthem.

Can I be your VP?.....

Sure we're on completely different ends of the political spectrum, but these are four things I like.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 07, 2016, 07:20:34 PM
I am also going to add a Cabinet Level Department of Smackage to the Federal Government.
Its employees will travel the country administering smacks in the head to all the idiots who desperately need them.

We'll start at the House of Representatives and work from there.

I'm throwing my hat in the ring for the position of Secretary of Smackage.

One of my sophomore girls REALLY wants that job . . . and the thing is, she'd be really good at it!
Plus, appointing her will give me street cred with women AND younger voters.
So . . . what do you bring to the table?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 07, 2016, 07:21:41 PM
My basic platform has four planks:

1. Common sense.
2. Moral decency.
3.  A mandatory 24 hour verification period before posting hot rumors on social media.
4.  Replacing "Hail to the Chief" with Journey's "Don't Stop Believing!" as the Presidential anthem.

Can I be your VP?.....

Sure we're on completely different ends of the political spectrum, but these are four things I like.

You'll have to Jell-O wrestle Trevor for it . . . while wearing lingerie.
We'll sell tickets and donate the proceeds to paying off the national debt!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on May 09, 2016, 02:34:26 PM
Back on topic....sort of

Trump said that if he wins NJ Gov. Chris Christie will lead his transition team

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-chris-christie-transition-team/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-chris-christie-transition-team/index.html)

this is putting the cart way before the horse, even more then when Cruz announced Carly was his running mate


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on May 09, 2016, 02:54:52 PM
I hereby announce that I am Indy's walking mate. Not running mate as I had enough of that in high school.

Also, when I am Veep, free undies for everyone. Mine.  :buggedout: :buggedout: :wink:

Sorry, Trevor. I'd vote for a Smith-Trevor ticket for President and Vice President, but . . .?! according to the 12 Amendment of the U.S. Constitution the Vice-President has to be a natural born U.S. citizen, which seems to rule you out.

Actually, at this time, and it is still several months before the election, so anything can happen, not only do we have the possibility that Trump loses to Clinton, if she is indeed the Democratic nominee for President, which seems likely at this time, but . . .?! we have the Republicans, who now control the U.S. Senate, losing it to Democratic control, if Trump, which seems likely is the head of the Republican ticket. And not only that, the political experts are talking about the Republicans losing control of the House, again to the Democrats, if Trump heads the Republican ticket. Though, that is a less likely scenario then the Republicans losing control of the Senate.

And we'll see what we'll see!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 09, 2016, 11:27:29 PM
I think the GOP has set itself up for the worst donkeystomping since Hoover got tossed out on his ear in 1932, and frankly, they deserve it for nominating a classless, misogynistic jerk like Trump.

My "I told you so's" will echo from the clouds in November . . .

unless they turn to me, the savior of conservatism, the teacher of history, the go-to goatee!

SMITH 2016 - It's not too late!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on May 10, 2016, 01:49:46 AM
You'll have to Jell-O wrestle Trevor for it . . . while wearing lingerie.
We'll sell tickets and donate the proceeds to paying off the national debt!

 :buggedout: :buggedout:  :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:

Who'll wear the lingerie?  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 10, 2016, 06:11:10 AM
Both of you, of course!!

(SKIN TO WIN!!!!)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on May 10, 2016, 06:36:02 AM
Sorry, Trevor. I'd vote for a Smith-Trevor ticket for President and Vice President, but . . .?! according to the 12 Amendment of the U.S. Constitution the Vice-President has to be a natural born U.S. citizen, which seems to rule you out.

Ahh, crap: I knew there had to be an issue somewhere  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Gene Worm on May 10, 2016, 07:33:33 AM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on May 10, 2016, 11:13:32 AM
You'll have to Jell-O wrestle Trevor for it . . . while wearing lingerie.
We'll sell tickets and donate the proceeds to paying off the national debt!

 :buggedout: :buggedout:  :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:

Who'll wear the lingerie?  :wink:

You will  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on May 18, 2016, 05:42:25 PM
The Democratic party has been divided in half, I believe, in a manner similar to the Republican party is.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 18, 2016, 05:48:58 PM
there's one lone guy on my twitter feed who is pro Hillary but it's like ... why


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 18, 2016, 08:17:43 PM
there's one lone guy on my twitter feed who is pro Hillary but it's like ... why

And I thought unicorns don't exist... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 18, 2016, 08:22:40 PM
The Democratic party has been divided in half, I believe, in a manner similar to the Republican party is.

The party has been divided. The division started when Hillary won her first state by a coin toss or was it 5 coin tosses...

Now that Trump is on his own and still sweeping the primary all the media focus is on Hillary and Sanders. And it's really hard for the media to make Hillary look like she's sweeping when she keeps loosing states...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 18, 2016, 08:40:19 PM
Bernie should bow out. He's not going to win and he's just hurting his party. Plus his followers are starting to get out of control.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 18, 2016, 09:12:33 PM
And everybody thought the Republican convention would be contested!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 18, 2016, 09:17:07 PM
Bernie should bow out. He's not going to win and he's just hurting his party. Plus his followers are starting to get out of control.

lol the only person hurting the democrat party is Hillary.

Once again the so-called hardcore Conservative 'anti-trump' republicans don't get it. Hillary is running for president (even though she clearly violated the law on handling Top Secret Documents) and the Republicans in the House are not calling her out on this and questing her and putting her on trial. All we get is the FBI wondering what they should do. Mean while, if a baseball player is doing steroids guess who's calling them up...



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 19, 2016, 07:48:27 AM
I'm still stumping for a spot in Indy's cabinet since Secretary of Smackage has been filled.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on May 19, 2016, 08:19:15 AM
I'm still stumping for a spot in Indy's cabinet since Secretary of Smackage has been filled.

Who got that job, Rev?  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 27, 2016, 11:15:38 AM
I would rather live under ISIS than have hillary as president. ok thats not true but I don't really like her very much


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 28, 2016, 09:16:17 AM
I would rather live under ISIS than have hillary as president. ok thats not true but I don't really like her very much

It's nice that they said "She broke the rule with the secret server" although, that's watering down the fact that the 'rule' is the freaking 'law'

I don't see her becoming president, there has been way  way too much talk about her breaking the rule with the secret server.

According to the LAW even if she did this by accident she is still responsible for her actions. At the minimum she should be in jail for 8 years for each Top Secret file discovered. I've been hearing they found 30... [that would be at least 240 years in jail] but I think her whole department is Top Secret so she should be in jail much longer... And selling the Top Secret files to the Enemies is Treason.

RUSH thinks Obama is doing this because he's having fun with Hillary... I don't think that's the case. I think Obama wants Sanders to run for President because Sanders is Obama x10; but Obama is pressuring Hillary to drop out. I'm still expecting an illness from Hillary this summer and Sanders is taking over.

Either Sanders or Hillary - I still don't see them beating Trump!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 28, 2016, 09:23:57 AM
I'm still stumping for a spot in Indy's cabinet since Secretary of Smackage has been filled.

Who got that job, Rev?  :teddyr:

Some high school chick.  :question:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 28, 2016, 09:53:53 AM
No, I actually decided to give the Secretary's job to the most qualified human on earth - Jethro Gibbs (AKA Mark Harmon).
I've got you and her down as Undersecretaries, though. :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on May 28, 2016, 09:46:48 PM
I think most politicians are worthless.
and modern politics are a waste.
They have created a super bureaucracy, that resembles an idiot women whose pregnancies keep turning out idiot children.
Its crazy.


(s**t!) do you know how long it took me to spell that f**king word 'bureaucracy" right?  :bluesad:
thanks to Calvin Beck-dead editor of Castle of Frankenstein magazine,for that analogy-he was commenting on the Nixon Administration-and Democrats as well.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 28, 2016, 09:52:53 PM
Reason #19 to vote for me - I will build a wall around Donald Trump and make Donald Trump pay for it (by lining the inside with mirrors)!!
#smith2016


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on May 28, 2016, 09:58:08 PM
Reason #19 to vote for me - I will build a wall around Donald Trump and make Donald Trump pay for it (by lining the inside with mirrors)!!
#smith2016
See-I like Republicans like Indy-Trump aint a Republican-he appeals to the redneck interbred sound bite morons-Indy aint that-smart guy-and he was hard core Bush back in the day!Trumps a dangerous idiot who wants the job to boost his ego.
The fact that Trump may win makes me realize that this country has spawned a bunch of dumbed down pinheads who's main interest is American Idol type s**t and video games.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 29, 2016, 12:30:04 AM
Air Karma, Ronnie!!!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 29, 2016, 06:39:35 AM
Reason #19 to vote for me - I will build a wall around Donald Trump and make Donald Trump pay for it (by lining the inside with mirrors)!!
#smith2016

You do know that even some of the Anti-Trump people are growing a brain and joining with Trump. I think you need to relax and stop listening to people like Glenn Beck. Trump is nowhere as bad as Hillary or Sanders; and that's a fact.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 29, 2016, 06:42:59 AM
You're making an assumption - I can't STAND Beck.

Here's my logic - I neither like nor trust Trump.  He's grossly unqualified and purely IMO - mentally unstable and a borderline fascist.
That being said, I'm from Texas, a state full of angry rednecks which he is going to carry hands down.  My support matters about as much as bug spit in a hurricane, so I can refuse to soil my ballot with his name and not change things down here one bit.

Then, if he loses to Hillary in the fall, I'm going to enjoy a huge I TOLD YOU SO to every single person who supported him.
If (God forbid) he wins, then I'll pray I was wrong about him while watching him prove me right.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 29, 2016, 08:12:02 AM
What's so wonderful about partisan politics is its amazing ability to bring people together...  :lookingup: :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 29, 2016, 02:13:30 PM
What's so wonderful about partisan politics is its amazing ability to bring people together...  :lookingup: :bluesad:

Not to mention its ability to make total strangers into mortal enemies! LOL


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 29, 2016, 06:46:47 PM


Then, if he loses to Hillary in the fall, I'm going to enjoy a huge I TOLD YOU SO to every single person who supported him.




Please don't do that... it's annoying to find out that millions that voted for McCain didn't vote for Romney and to tell you the truth if they started to come out of the woodwork and screaming "I told you so" they might get knifed. It's annoying as f**k the amount of bulls**t that Obama pull off with the help of the Republicans in the house... If you don't vote for Trump (awesome for you) but if your going to come out and brag how Trump lost and you didn't vote for Trump... Please don't.

I've voted for every a***ole Republican from 1989. Reagan was before my time... and Trump seemed like the closest thing to Reagan to me. Sure Trump isn't wholesome like Reagan but Reagan was from a different time.

Sure I hear all this s**t that Ted Cruz is another Reagan... well if it was then he should had won. You know why Ted Cruz didn't win? I'll give you hint, the Republican Party spent 30 f**k'n years to waterdown the meaning of conservatism. And when a true conservatism runs for office he is hit over the head with morals. Then my stupid sister starts shouting how people like Romney want's to ban birthcontrol pills (there are too many f**k'n stupid people that are allowed to vote)

I think it was awesome that Trump didn't call himself a conservative.

Is Trump smart? I don't know. Is Trump going to be worst then Obama, Hillary or Sanders... Are you f**k'n kidding!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 29, 2016, 11:33:40 PM
Don't be so shy, Skull - tell us what you REALLY think! :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 30, 2016, 07:28:51 AM
Don't be so shy, Skull - tell us what you REALLY think! :teddyr:

Sorry...



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 30, 2016, 08:59:06 AM
If one types a tirade on an internet forum, one should learn to spell and write.  


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on May 30, 2016, 11:51:40 AM
If one types a tirade on an internet forum, one should learn to spell and write.  

Yeah... The point was made. Addressing the dirty dishes while the house is on fire - is - silly and worthless for the topic.





 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on May 30, 2016, 04:18:14 PM
If one types a tirade on an internet forum, one should learn to spell and write.  

Yeah... The point was made. Addressing the dirty dishes while the house is on fire - is - silly and worthless for the topic.

  :lookingup:
If you want to assume my remark is about you, you have a point.  You can't write.   :smile:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on May 30, 2016, 05:51:22 PM
I don't think personal insults belong in this thread.


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http://www.badmovies.org/forum/index.php/topic,113524.0.html (http://www.badmovies.org/forum/index.php/topic,113524.0.html)

I think this thread is fairly pointless on this forum. There are a million places to argue about politics on the Internet, and very few to discuss bad movies.

I don't agree with some of the posters on this thread. My solution is simply to turn the topic of conversation to Indy's third party run for President whenever I think it gets to serious or uncivil. Speaking of which, I don't think we have a nominee for veep since Trevor was outed as an accursed foreigner?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on May 31, 2016, 01:33:31 AM
Speaking of which, I don't think we have a nominee for veep since Trevor was outed as an accursed foreigner?

 :buggedout: +  :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:

I nominate Bill O Reilly and Sean Hannity for veep and Chris Matthews as the "thrill up the leg" candidate.  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 31, 2016, 06:39:11 AM
I'm still mulling over my running mate.  Wonder if Anne Hathaway is available? :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on May 31, 2016, 07:04:44 AM
I'm still mulling over my running mate.  Wonder if Anne Hathaway is available? :teddyr:

Maybe you can dig up ol' Cheezeflix?  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on May 31, 2016, 08:07:56 AM
He and I are buds on FB, but I do miss him being in here. 
   Boy, he would get wound up on politics from time to time!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on May 31, 2016, 09:58:00 AM
The year the libertarian party becomes a complete joke is the year they become valuable to the Wall St Journal and other powerful entities. supporting Ron Paul in 08 and 12 we would look over at those guys and be like oh brother.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 01, 2016, 06:25:36 AM
I don't think personal insults belong in this thread.

Sorry if I insulted Indy... He has every right not to vote.


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I think this thread is fairly pointless on this forum. There are a million places to argue about politics on the Internet, and very few to discuss bad movies.

There is a lot of websites I go to that's not dedicated on politics - but there threads are posted and the topic is always heated.

And normally I wouldn't care too much but this talk about Trump being Hitler is just too much. And I see it a dozen times (meanwhile Hillary is more like Hitler... and nobody calls her Hitler [well except myself])


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I don't agree with some of the posters on this thread. My solution is simply to turn the topic of conversation to Indy's third party run for President whenever I think it gets to serious or uncivil. Speaking of which, I don't think we have a nominee for veep since Trevor was outed as an accursed foreigner?

If the intent is move away from the serious/uncivil then why would it matter if Trevor was born outside of America? I think Trevor would make a great VP :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on June 01, 2016, 07:03:59 AM
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If the intent is move away from the serious/uncivil then why would it matter if Trevor was born outside of America? I think Trevor would make a great VP :)


 :teddyr: :thumbup: :teddyr: :thumbup: :teddyr: :thumbup:

I would probably bring something else to the White House: a 24/7 laundry - staffed by and used by me  :wink: and a sense of humor. President Reagan had it: I'll bring it back.  :teddyr:

(http://quotesoflife.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Its-true-hard-work-never-killed-anybody-but-I-figure-why-take-the-chance-Ronald-Wilson-Reagan-funny-and-humorous-picture-quote1.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 02, 2016, 01:16:42 PM
He and I are buds on FB, but I do miss him being in here.  
   Boy, he would get wound up on politics from time to time!

We're all guilty of that.  I miss Cheezeflix too.  

Interesting article: 

I was wrong: Trump WILL be the next president

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/01/i-was-wrong-trump-will-be-the-next-president-commentary.html?__source=yahoo|finance|headline|headline|story&par=yahoo&doc=103681058&yptr=yahoo (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/01/i-was-wrong-trump-will-be-the-next-president-commentary.html?__source=yahoo|finance|headline|headline|story&par=yahoo&doc=103681058&yptr=yahoo)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 03, 2016, 01:25:22 AM



 

Interesting article: 

I was wrong: Trump WILL be the next president

[url]http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/01/i-was-wrong-trump-will-be-the-next-president-commentary.html?__source=yahoo[/url]|finance|headline|headline|story&par=yahoo&doc=103681058&yptr=yahoo ([url]http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/01/i-was-wrong-trump-will-be-the-next-president-commentary.html?__source=yahoo[/url]|finance|headline|headline|story&par=yahoo&doc=103681058&yptr=yahoo)


(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah192/mydoginky/misfits_zpsipisuzrp.gif) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/mydoginky/media/misfits_zpsipisuzrp.gif.html)



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 03, 2016, 11:03:38 AM
that these people attacking Trump supporters will backfire in the polls is a given. I think the next time something like this happens the Trump supporters are going to fight back and its not going to be pretty.

It's one thing to stand up to a bully. it's quite another and stupider thing to pick a fight with one apropos of no direct sort of action. Trump supporters are not known for their manners online that they are going to sit there while eggs are pelted at them.... I only pray that the liberals an/ or whoever else end these sort of tactics


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 03, 2016, 11:37:57 AM
that these people attacking Trump supporters will backfire in the polls is a given. I think the next time something like this happens the Trump supporters are going to fight back and its not going to be pretty.

It's one thing to stand up to a bully. it's quite another and stupider thing to pick a fight with one apropos of no direct sort of action. Trump supporters are not known for their manners online that they are going to sit there while eggs are pelted at them.... I only pray that the liberals an/ or whoever else end these sort of tactics

Those are Hillary/Sanders people...


You know what else is funny... (I know it's hardly funny)... if Ted Cruz was ahead of the polls and holding his convention... the protesters will attack his supporters.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 03, 2016, 05:31:57 PM
that these people attacking Trump supporters will backfire in the polls is a given. I think the next time something like this happens the Trump supporters are going to fight back and its not going to be pretty.

It's one thing to stand up to a bully. it's quite another and stupider thing to pick a fight with one apropos of no direct sort of action. Trump supporters are not known for their manners online that they are going to sit there while eggs are pelted at them.... I only pray that the liberals an/ or whoever else end these sort of tactics

Those are Hillary/Sanders people...
Every body attacks every body-fer crying out loud-thats politics.
What disturbs me-is that -
OK
I have been visiting "White Power" websites-just because their madness fasinates me. Neo-Nazis love Trump-why? Because he's a racist cocksucker


You know what else is funny... (I know it's hardly funny)... if Ted Cruz was ahead of the polls and holding his convention... the protesters will attack his supporters.
Ya know what-EVERY body is Hitler when yer on the opposite side of a political discussion. Think about-I think Trump is Hitler-you think Hillary is Hitler (I do too-dont feel alone-I cant stand that woman)-I dont like anyone running. Bernie is a jew-so he aint Hitler...I think I'll vote for Godzilla.At least hes honest about his intentions.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 03, 2016, 07:36:57 PM
They probably liked Reagan too, the whole point of democracy is that you beat them with your ideas not eggs and violence. more to the point: it won't work. No one is going to be swayed to vote democrat because of this. rather the contrary


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 03, 2016, 08:46:36 PM
They probably liked Reagan too, the whole point of democracy is that you beat them with your ideas not eggs and violence. more to the point: it won't work. No one is going to be swayed to vote democrat because of this. rather the contrary

I remember when Bush was leaving office and the Obama people were singing "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye" I thought it was the most rude thing that was done... so this anti-American out to silent free speech, throw eggs and burn the American flag... is going to happen.

I won't be surprised that a Trump supporter is going to get shot and killed.

I do agree the more this happens the more Americans are going to support Trump.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 03, 2016, 10:41:06 PM
They probably liked Reagan too, the whole point of democracy is that you beat them with your ideas not eggs and violence. more to the point: it won't work. No one is going to be swayed to vote democrat because of this. rather the contrary

I remember when Bush was leaving office and the Obama people were singing "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye" I thought it was the most rude thing that was done... so this anti-American out to silent free speech, throw eggs and burn the American flag... is going to happen.

I won't be surprised that a Trump supporter is going to get shot and killed.

I do agree the more this happens the more Americans are going to support Trump.

I wont be surprised if Trump gets shot and killed-Even the Republicans dont like him-lotta money out there.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on June 03, 2016, 10:44:43 PM
They probably liked Reagan too, the whole point of democracy is that you beat them with your ideas not eggs and violence. more to the point: it won't work. No one is going to be swayed to vote democrat because of this. rather the contrary

I remember when Bush was leaving office and the Obama people were singing "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye" I thought it was the most rude thing that was done... so this anti-American out to silent free speech, throw eggs and burn the American flag... is going to happen.

I won't be surprised that a Trump supporter is going to get shot and killed.

I do agree the more this happens the more Americans are going to support Trump.

I wont be surprised if Trump gets shot and killed-Even the Republicans dont like him-lotta money out there.

I wouldn't be surprised if ANY of them were shot and killed, seeing how violent it's gotten. I'd vote for Pedro is I were you.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 03, 2016, 10:55:43 PM
They probably liked Reagan too, the whole point of democracy is that you beat them with your ideas not eggs and violence. more to the point: it won't work. No one is going to be swayed to vote democrat because of this. rather the contrary


I remember when Bush was leaving office and the Obama people were singing "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye" I thought it was the most rude thing that was done... so this anti-American out to silent free speech, throw eggs and burn the American flag... is going to happen.

I won't be surprised that a Trump supporter is going to get shot and killed.

I do agree the more this happens the more Americans are going to support Trump.


I wont be surprised if Trump gets shot and killed-Even the Republicans dont like him-lotta money out there.


I wouldn't be surprised if ANY of them were shot and killed, seeing how violent it's gotten. I'd vote for Pedro is I were you.


Id vote for Pedro-I smoked so much pot tonight-I NEVER smoke pot-ever hardley!
Yeah-Pedro got my vote.

http://youtu.be/jyCMkay9XRY (http://youtu.be/jyCMkay9XRY)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 04, 2016, 06:28:08 AM


I wont be surprised if Trump gets shot and killed-Even the Republicans dont like him-lotta money out there.

I'm not sure if this would be Gen Becks fault because I found out this Tuesday that sirius radio suspended the Gen Beck show because he was talking with another host on why it would be good if somebody killed Trump. I'm so pleased that sirius radio suspended his account!

As much as I hate Obama and Hillary - I don't wish they were killed. I do wish they went to Jail...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 04, 2016, 08:18:50 AM
The deal with Trump-even if he does get elected-and it seems a real possibility now-is that all these things he wants to do-ie-build a wall-won't ever happen-because we do have a Congress that will stonewall him. And nothing will get done-we'll have 4 years of stagnation.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 04, 2016, 09:46:10 AM
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Even the Republicans dont like him-

and yet they voted for him in record numbers in the primaries


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 04, 2016, 12:47:34 PM
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Even the Republicans dont like him-

and yet they voted for him in record numbers in the primaries

You cannot trust the media spin on this because Trump has a record number of voters and Hillary is struggling to beat Sanders... Yet Trump is going to lose in a landside against Hillary...  :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 04, 2016, 07:28:17 PM
the thing is, and we all know this, they don't need a wall. if they want to stop illegal immigration they could just fine the people who are caught hiring them.

they won't do that though, probably because they make a fortune off illegal immigrants paying into social security and never collecting it


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 04, 2016, 10:15:26 PM
the thing is, and we all know this, they don't need a wall. if they want to stop illegal immigration they could just fine the people who are caught hiring them.

Actually if the government drop all benefits (because sanctuary cities give Illegals free phone, healthcare, school, housing), pass a worker's law that employees must have legal ID's (which they do have such laws because every time I'm getting a job I need ID's) or the employer could be fined or go to jail, finally recognize that the anchor baby law don't exist (therefore the children born from illegal mothers are NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS).

Please note all this will cost nothing and the Illegal aliens will live just as fast as they came.





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they won't do that though, probably because they make a fortune off illegal immigrants paying into social security and never collecting it

I never thought of that but it makes a lot of sense :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 06, 2016, 12:30:53 PM
Reason #22 to vote for me:  I will make Dr. Pepper my Surgeon General!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 06, 2016, 12:37:38 PM
I worked at Honee Bear Canning Company for 30 f**king years.80 percent of those hard working f**kers were illegal-good luck Trump-those Mexicans-ILLEGAL-were the best people I ever met-and we treat them like s**t!  :hatred:



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 07, 2016, 05:20:25 AM
I worked at Honee Bear Canning Company for 30 f**king years.80 percent of those hard working f**kers were illegal-good luck Trump-those Mexicans-ILLEGAL-were the best people I ever met-and we treat them like s**t!  :hatred:



It's a shame that Honee Bear Canning would prefer slavery over citizens. Because the whole point of hiring ILLEGAL ALIENS is not to pay the full wage, benefits and protection.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 07, 2016, 07:43:33 AM
Indy, what is your position on slavery? Pro or con?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on June 07, 2016, 02:31:52 PM
"Those of us who are too wise to enter politics have the misfortune of being governed by those individuals who are more foolish than ourselves."

--Plato


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 07, 2016, 03:47:31 PM
Indy, what is your position on slavery? Pro or con?


I am against enslaving humans, but I am told that Care Bears make excellent slaves.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 07, 2016, 08:00:28 PM
"Those of us who are too wise to enter politics have the misfortune of being governed by those individuals who are more foolish than ourselves."

--Plato

But in a democracy, you can't be elected without carrying the fool vote, so if he were to govern, the wise man would have to play the fool.

Maybe that quote explains this election cycle after all.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 07, 2016, 09:00:32 PM
Hillary's base of support is dominatrixes and their clients


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Olivia Bauer on June 07, 2016, 10:50:41 PM
I hate both of them but I think Clinton won't do as much damage.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 08, 2016, 05:24:57 AM
I hate both of them but I think Clinton won't do as much damage.

Besides removing the second amendment, keeping obamacare, keeping the borders open and selling top secret's to the enemy powers... yeah... not much damage  :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 08, 2016, 07:38:34 AM
Indy, as President, how would you stop a Bond-type supervillain from using a death ray to blow up the Superbowl?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 08, 2016, 08:37:06 AM
Indy, as President, how would you stop a Bond-type supervillain from using a death ray to blow up the Superbowl?


I would ask a supercomputer and the answer is...

(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/a1/10/1b/a1101bee2cde5a9f7131c8e09923b9a9.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 08, 2016, 10:35:37 AM
Indy, as President, how would you stop a Bond-type supervillain from using a death ray to blow up the Superbowl?

Two words:  Chuck . . . .Norris!! :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 08, 2016, 10:45:28 AM
Hillary was strongest before she declared she was running. like post Sec State and pre declaring she would run. She was a good pre candidate.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 08, 2016, 11:12:58 AM
Hillary was strongest before she declared she was running. like post Sec State and pre declaring she would run. She was a good pre candidate.




If she was the strongest she should had beaten Obama. And she's been having issues when she came out to sell her book - which was a early - early test run on her popularity for becoming president.

The only thing Hillary has is the 'D' in her title and those that love 'free government cheese.' I still believe Hillary is going to play sick in the summer.


I've been hearing that Trump should fire Paul Ryan as chairman of the Republican Convention... Really, Paul Ryan shouldn't be calling Trump a Racist especially when there is evidence that shows that Judge was part of La Raza and has ties with Hillary/Obama...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 08, 2016, 11:20:56 AM
Thoughts on Trump in the bigger picture: watch Milo's UCLA or UC-Santa Barbara speeches where he talks about why HE supports Trump.  Of the two, the UCLA one is probably the better, 'saner' one to watch.

Seriously, Milo Yiannopoulos can be provocative as all h3ll, but listen to what he has to say when he's being serious and settled down.  I've got to admit, he makes a VERY good case.  If you value the First Amendment as a philosophical cornerstone to 'freedom,' give Milo's remarks a fair shake with an open mind.  He might convince you Trump is not the WORST candidate we could have.

The short version of Milo's point: Trump, for all he is and isn't, has opened the Overton Window significantly, and that alone has broken the Progressive Strangle Hold on American politics and social discourse.

That is, the benefit of a Trump presidency (in Milo's take) is not what he will or won't do himself, but lies entirely in how he has changed the political landscape.

Enjoy.

(If you watch the UCLA video that is 2 hours long, start at the 1 hour mark).


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 08, 2016, 11:50:36 PM
Thoughts on Trump in the bigger picture: watch Milo's UCLA or UC-Santa Barbara speeches where he talks about why HE supports Trump.  Of the two, the UCLA one is probably the better, 'saner' one to watch.
Seriously, Milo Yiannopoulos can be provocative as all h3ll, but listen to what he has to say when he's being serious and settled down.  I've got to admit, he makes a VERY good case.  If you value the First Amendment as a philosophical cornerstone to 'freedom,' give Milo's remarks a fair shake with an open mind.  He might convince you Trump is not the WORST candidate we could have.
The short version of Milo's point: Trump, for all he is and isn't, has opened the Overton Window significantly, and that alone has broken the Progressive Strangle Hold on American politics and social discourse.
That is, the benefit of a Trump presidency (in Milo's take) is not what he will or won't do himself, but lies entirely in how he has changed the political landscape.
Enjoy.
(If you watch the UCLA video that is 2 hours long, start at the 1 hour mark).

Great remarks, and well written.  I have always considered TRUMP's presidential bid as an establishment shaker, which I like.   :smile: :question: :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 09, 2016, 08:21:36 AM
Interesting news I found out today...

During the Republican Primary - the Republicans spent over 60 million dollars on Trump attack ads...

During the Democrat Primary - the Democrats spent '0' dollars on Hillary attack ads...

This is interesting because it's been said they are almost equal in unfavorably - therefore a few dollars on Hillary attack ads might (should) tip the scales... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 09, 2016, 10:59:15 AM
allhallows - exactly. it's "disruptive" a la Uber, Amazon etc.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on June 09, 2016, 06:45:35 PM
Trump seems to think skimping on his bills is perfectly acceptable

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/usa-today-exclusive-hundreds-allege-donald-trump-doesn%e2%80%99t-pay-his-bills/ar-AAgR9h6?ocid=spartanntp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/usa-today-exclusive-hundreds-allege-donald-trump-doesn%e2%80%99t-pay-his-bills/ar-AAgR9h6?ocid=spartanntp)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 10, 2016, 12:51:36 AM
(http://atribbledmind.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/fat_axl_rose_meme_by_randomhero36587-d5tp8e8.jpg)

AXL ROSE is trying to have such images removed from the internet entirely.  Bwahhahahahahahahahaaaahaa... 



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 10, 2016, 06:10:42 AM
([url]http://atribbledmind.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/fat_axl_rose_meme_by_randomhero36587-d5tp8e8.jpg[/url])

AXL ROSE is trying to have such images removed from the internet entirely.  Bwahhahahahahahahahaaaahaa... 





(https://www.nachi.org/forum/attachments/f13/54502d1334414578-recent-picture-axl-rose-welcome-bakery-axl-rose.jpg)

This is Axl Rose today?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 10, 2016, 10:20:47 PM
I worked at Honee Bear Canning Company for 30 f**king years.80 percent of those hard working f**kers were illegal-good luck Trump-those Mexicans-ILLEGAL-were the best people I ever met-and we treat them like s**t!  :hatred:



It's a shame that Honee Bear Canning would prefer slavery over citizens. Because the whole point of hiring ILLEGAL ALIENS is not to pay the full wage, benefits and protection.



I am very aware of this-I aint braggin up Honee Bear-that place is a piece of s**t-I braggin up the Mexicans that worked there asses off-80 hours a week,during season-
They wanted to get the f**k outta Mexico-
This is AMERICA-NONE of use are native sons-unless yer an American Indian-you came her just like Mexicans did-just a little later.
So quit yer f**king b***h about a "wall" haha! That'll work!   :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 10, 2016, 10:59:36 PM
This week's blog post explains why I decided to run for President . . .

www.lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com (http://www.lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com)

And I think I have decided to appoint RC Merchant as official "Secretary of Good Times".


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 10, 2016, 11:03:58 PM
This week's blog post explains why I decided to run for President . . .

[url=http://www.lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com]www.lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com[/url] ([url]http://www.lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com[/url])

And I think I have decided to appoint RC Merchant as official "Secretary of Good Times".

Thank you! I will gladly take that nomination-I would also like to thank,Bela Lugosi,Forry Ackerman and Jack Kirby  for making me the idiot geek I am today.  :smile:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 11, 2016, 06:54:54 AM
I worked at Honee Bear Canning Company for 30 f**king years.80 percent of those hard working f**kers were illegal-good luck Trump-those Mexicans-ILLEGAL-were the best people I ever met-and we treat them like s**t!  :hatred:



It's a shame that Honee Bear Canning would prefer slavery over citizens. Because the whole point of hiring ILLEGAL ALIENS is not to pay the full wage, benefits and protection.



I am very aware of this-I aint braggin up Honee Bear-that place is a piece of s**t-I braggin up the Mexicans that worked there asses off-80 hours a week,during season-
They wanted to get the f**k outta Mexico-
This is AMERICA-NONE of use are native sons-unless yer an American Indian-you came her just like Mexicans did-just a little later.
So quit yer f**king b***h about a "wall" haha! That'll work!   :lookingup:


Here is a funny thing about Mexico... They are not Native Americans and They are not Aztec... most of the natives in Mexico died from smallpox and typhus in the 1500's. The current Mexican population is Spaniard (a native or inhabitant of Spain, or a person of Spanish descent) though the Mexican's considered themselves as Mestizo (but that's watering the facts).

Maybe those Mexican's should go to Spain. They are Spanish descents.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 11, 2016, 08:35:30 AM
This week's blog post explains why I decided to run for President . . .

[url=http://www.lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com]www.lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com[/url] ([url]http://www.lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com[/url])

And I think I have decided to appoint RC Merchant as official "Secretary of Good Times".


Nice post, but until you have my endorsement your campaign is going to have an uphill battle. You need to buy me off with an ambassadorship or something.

In all honesty if you were running I'd have to give you serious consideration over those other couple of bums.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 11, 2016, 08:51:15 AM
Fact is-I'd like to see Trumps ass out there picking pickles in 90 degree heat for 12 hours a day.
And his broad,racist remarks-ie-"rapists"-are base and narrow minded.
We should hold our politictions to higher standards (yeah I know-it's a nice fantasy  :lookingup: but dreaming is free.)

http://youtu.be/rl3iaTUQQvY (http://youtu.be/rl3iaTUQQvY)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 11, 2016, 12:10:24 PM
We should hold our politicians to higher standards (yeah I know-it's a nice fantasy  :lookingup: but dreaming is free.)

Who's standard? Last time I'd checked the higher standard only applies to the Republicans (That's before Trump)....


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Gene Worm on June 11, 2016, 01:59:22 PM
Oh good grief, this thread is still going? By the time it's dead, we'll all hate each other over our differing opinions. Oh well, I'll stay out of it.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 11, 2016, 02:47:59 PM
I think Rev. Powell should be Director of the National Endowment for the Arts!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 13, 2016, 09:26:35 PM
A very terrible thing happened in the USA yesterday.  Orlando.  There is lots of diversion and politics already attached to this tragedy.  The ease with which firearms may be purchased is really the issue. 



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on June 13, 2016, 10:39:38 PM
A very terrible thing happened in the USA yesterday.  Orlando.  There is lots of diversion and politics already attached to this tragedy.  The ease with which firearms may be purchased is really the issue. 



"Atrocity" is a better word than "tragedy".

The issue is the intrinsic sickness within a single religion which has inspired most of the acts of hate-fueled mass murder that we've seen in recent years.

And the ease with with firearms may be purchased is far less a cause here than the failure of a jurisdiction to allow citizens to be armed for self-defense, as is their Constitutional right.

Once again Islamic dogma motivated someone to slaughter an unarmed population, and once again people somehow fail to get that. Since Mohammad mandated the death penalty for homosexuals, why is it so many analyzing this crime seem unable to follow the trail to its source?

Why do so many in the west weep instead of feeling outrage?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 14, 2016, 05:33:51 AM
Since Mohammad mandated the death penalty for homosexuals, why is it so many analyzing this crime seem unable to follow the trail to its source?

The problem is that nobody in politics (except for Trump) wants to admit that we are in a holy war. As long as Trump keeps calling out those attackers - Islamic Terrorist - he's going to win the Presidency.


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Why do so many in the west weep instead of feeling outrage?

There is outrage... Every time this s**t happens Americans buy more guns and Trump numbers go up. Most of the mainstream media don't want to cover that.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on June 14, 2016, 06:04:56 AM
Anyone will get my vote if they can warm up the weather in South Africa  :buggedout:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 14, 2016, 09:25:38 AM
Anyone will get my vote if they can warm up the weather in South Africa  :buggedout:



What are you telling me that South Africa didn't get the memo about Global Warming.


I saw a helpful blog on 35 common sense ways to prevent global warming. If doing this helps prevent global warming then maybe doing the opposite on what was suggested would accelerate global warming. I'm not going to post all 35 steps but I'll post a link:

http://www.conserve-energy-future.com/StopGlobalWarming.php (http://www.conserve-energy-future.com/StopGlobalWarming.php)

I will suggest 5 that seemed easy...

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Turn Off the Lights: Duh! If you’re not using a room, there’s no need for the light to be on.


1. Ok, keep the lights on! Heck, every open plug in your outlet should have a lamp. And don't be cheap... you got to use the highest wattage, so bright that your neighbors need to wear sunglasses when they visit. Do I need to add Duh to make a point?

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Use Clean Fuel: Electric, smart cars, cars run on vegetable oil, etc…are great examples for using renewable energy. Supporting companies that provide these products will help the rest of the mainstream manufacturing companies convert over.


2. Don't waste your money in buying a 100,000 dollar car that is plug into a 'dirty power producing power plant!' Go with the gas guzzling Mad Max truck! Clean Fuel, hell no... did it stop Mad Max from siphoning gas from a truck sitting off the side of the road for years. (I do think it's awesome in Mad Max's world that fuel from a truck can work on a car or a helicopter.)

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Conserve Water: This is a tired tip, but ever so important. If we added up the water wasted by the millions of Americans brushing their teeth, we could provide water to more than 23 nations with unclean, drinking water. Remember, it takes energy to draw and filter water from underground.

Taking a quick 5 minute shower will greatly conserve energy. The type of shower head used, will also aid in combating global warming. Take showers instead of baths. Showers use less water than baths by 25%. Over the course of a year that’s hundreds of gallons saved.


3. Just like the light bulb issue, use lots of water. Take a bath every time you change your underwear... or if a woman changes her mind. If that's too extreme... then take a 15 minute shower! Brush your teeth 4 times a day and flush the toilet even if you farted in the bowl.


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Eat Less Hamburger: Besides carbon dioxide, methane introduced into the air contributes to global warning. With meat consumed by the seconds, the amount of cows breathing out methane is a huge contributor, thanks to our carnivorous diet and the billion-dollar meat industry.


4. Really? There are starving people... give them Hamburgers! See a homeless man asking for food - give him a Hamburger. See an old lady walking down the street - give her a Hamburger. See a cop - give him a Hamburger!

I'm amazed how Hamburgers is a threat...

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8jPbkg6XSgM/SXNtURPE4RI/AAAAAAAADaQ/pYD8cd1Yqcc/s400/wimpy_hamburgers_popeye.jpg)

The man behind Global Warming... Hmmmmmmm...



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Become Aware of Your Contribution: With technology within your fingertips, finding information about protecting the environment is everywhere. To help emit less CO2, the first step is being aware of how much you contribute.


5. I'm not actually sure how this helps... but at least you know you done your part in making South Africa a warmer place :)


PS... I never understood why so many people take this Global Warming stuff so seriously when the Earth, the Sun and the orbit has more to do with Global Warming then tiny man.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 14, 2016, 11:22:57 AM

The ease with which firearms may be purchased is really the issue. 



Uh-huh.  An objectively and provable incorrect piece of information.

Have YOU purchased a firearm?  If so, please outline your experience to show how "easy" it was.  It depends on your State, of course...but, this 'talking point' lie needs to die the death it deserves as an untruth.

This particular attacker not only jumped through all the hoops necessary to have a firearm (which includes Federally mandated NICS checks...aka "background checks"), but he had them FOR HIS JOB.  He was a licensed security officer in the State of Florida.  Further, he had been investigated by the FBI several times and (wait for it...) deemed "not a threat."

But yeah, the issue is how "easy" it is to get firearms.  Good grief.

Oh yeah, and let's not forget the other inconvenient FACT that he ALSO has explosives with him.  So, let's go ahead and make firearms harder to get and see if THAT stops attacks like this.  (Hint: It won't; 9/11 did not involve a single firearm, and neither did the incident where someone set a fire in a nightclub and killed a bunch of people).

So...how about we put the straw men to bed and face such issues like grown-ups, rather fall back to empty Progressive platitudes that are completely disconnect from the real world.

And, I'll leave this one here just for fun:

http://thedeclination.com/candlelight-vigils-hearts-on-sidewalks-and-other-magic/ (http://thedeclination.com/candlelight-vigils-hearts-on-sidewalks-and-other-magic/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 14, 2016, 02:38:51 PM
A very terrible thing happened in the USA yesterday.  Orlando.  There is lots of diversion and politics already attached to this tragedy.  The ease with which firearms may be purchased is really the issue. 

"Atrocity" is a better word than "tragedy".

Agreed. 

The issue is the intrinsic sickness within a single religion which has inspired most of the acts of hate-fueled mass murder that we've seen in recent years.
Your remarks are untrue, but akin in radicalism to those you condemn.  This murderer was an American, born right here, perhaps radicalized by some dopey source, but perhaps he was also a self-loathing homophobic closet case.  There have been many instances of mass shootings right here that had nothing to do with "radical Islam".  In each case, the easy acquisition of firearms figures prominently. 


And the ease with with firearms may be purchased is far less a cause here than the failure of a jurisdiction to allow citizens to be armed for self-defense, as is their Constitutional right.

Once again Islamic dogma motivated someone to slaughter an unarmed population, and once again people somehow fail to get that. Since Mohammad mandated the death penalty for homosexuals, why is it so many analyzing this crime seem unable to follow the trail to its source?

So... if victims who may have chosen to never own a firearm, had been armed, what melee would have resulted?  We have the second amendment, right?  Should we all walk around armed to the hilt?  And how often in a gun culture, like in our impoverished areas, do unlicensed persons pull a gun and pull the trigger right here in America born and bred?   

Why do so many in the west weep instead of feeling outrage?

I am not "weeping" and of course I am outraged, but I cannot condemn a religion, support actions that are bigoted, or fail to see some glaring facts that, politicized, you fail to see.  This murderer was deranged, probably burdened with shame and anger; an evil outfit like ISIS are quick to claim responsibility.  They want you to believe their narrative. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 14, 2016, 02:49:41 PM
I do think it was sweet that Trump called out Obama and Hillary on their stand against radical Islam terrorism and Obama/Hillary could only do is defend on why they are not labeling this act of violence.

Interesting fact.. If the shooter was some white guy holding a confederate flag - Obama and Hillary will be all over this shooter and pointing there finger at every red neck on the south. (And that act did happen a few years ago)


I cannot see any gay group voting for Hillary because her policy is going to get more gay people KILLED!







Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 14, 2016, 03:25:21 PM
AHD, I respect you, but you are wrong on this count.

It doesn't matter if the man was taking direct orders from ISIS or not, he was inspired by radical Islamic fundamentalism - like ISIS, like Al Qaeda, like Major Hassan here in Texas, like the San Berandino shooters, the 9/11 hijackers, the Boston Marathon bombers, the Paris gunmen, and the list goes on and on and on.  The common factor in all of these incidents is a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam that demands eternal jihad on nonbelievers.  It is EXACTLY what ER called it - a sickness within ONE religion that has infected a substantial number, perhaps a tenth or more, of its adherents to some degree.  And this doctrine is based on a literal interpretation of Muhammad's commands to make war on unbelievers, ALL unbelievers, until they are converted or enslaved.  That's in the Quran.

To their credit, a majority of the world's Muslims now ignore those passages.  But they are still there, and those who take them literally are still a threat to both non-Muslims, and to Muslims who don't agree with their interpretation of jihad.  It's worth noting that ISIS has killed more Muslims than it has Christians and Jews combined.

If more people in the club had been armed, the outcome might have been different - but at least they would have had a fighting chance.  But over 90% of mass shootings have happened in designated "Gun Free Zones."  It's obvious that ridiculous designation does NOTHING to curb gun violence - all it does is give you one more charge to pin on the offender after he's done his bloody work.  And frankly, most of them are dead by then and don't care.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 14, 2016, 03:26:13 PM

This murderer was an American, born right here, perhaps radicalized by some dopey source...

The dopey source was his father. The kid was brainwashed into this from baby on. I say this because there was a report that he cheered for the 911 attack, which suggest that he had empathy for the terrorist (he was 13/14 years old).

words from his father:

On June 13, Seddique posted on Facebook that he was “saddened by his son’s actions during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan,” as translated by CBS News. But then he goes onto say, “God will punish those involved in homosexuality…not an issue that humans should deal with.”


I think in a week or two we'll find out how deep his father was.





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 14, 2016, 03:36:15 PM
I'm outta here, enjoy the thread.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 14, 2016, 03:46:11 PM


~ snip ~

The common factor in all of these incidents is a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam that demands eternal jihad on nonbelievers.  It is EXACTLY what ER called it - a sickness within ONE religion that has infected a substantial number, perhaps a tenth or more, of its adherents to some degree.  And this doctrine is based on a literal interpretation of Muhammad's commands to make war on unbelievers, ALL unbelievers, until they are converted or enslaved.  That's in the Quran.

To their credit, a majority of the world's Muslims now ignore those passages.  

~ snip ~


Very close and this is why we must put a stop on the Muslim immigration.


It's called: Sharia Law...

According to Sharia Law homosexual activity as a punishable offence as well as a sin.

There are seven countries still retain capital punishment (DEATH PENALTY) for homosexual behavior: Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan, Mauritania, Sudan, and northern Nigeria. In United Arab Emirates it is a capital offense. In Qatar, Algeria, Uzbekistan, and the Maldives, homosexuality is punished with time in prison or a fine. (I hardly find this anti-gay aggression not mainstream in the middle east when there are so many countries in the middle east that's against gay freedom)

Please note that our gay bar shooter went to Saudi Arabia 2 times!




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 14, 2016, 05:28:04 PM
Indiana - most times these are spontaneous events that are over quickly though. for example

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-pro-gun-group-recreates-charlie-hebdo-attack-article-1.2081534 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-pro-gun-group-recreates-charlie-hebdo-attack-article-1.2081534)

Texas pro-gun group re-enacts Charlie Hebdo attack, finds outcome would be the same with 'armed civilian'

"The important thing to recognize here is if you're facing a coordinated terror attack by more than one gunmen, one gun can slow them down but it's not going to be enough to stop the killing," Farago said.


the Orlando attack WAS just one gunman but it's just to point out that the initial shot/ explosion/ whatever is the terrorists advantage.


In other cases armed persons can save the day like the guys who tried to storm the art exhibit and got mowed down by security but...if we all had guns there would still be terrorism.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 14, 2016, 05:59:04 PM
Indiana - most times these are spontaneous events that are over quickly though. for example

[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-pro-gun-group-recreates-charlie-hebdo-attack-article-1.2081534[/url] ([url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-pro-gun-group-recreates-charlie-hebdo-attack-article-1.2081534[/url])

Texas pro-gun group re-enacts Charlie Hebdo attack, finds outcome would be the same with 'armed civilian'

"The important thing to recognize here is if you're facing a coordinated terror attack by more than one gunmen, one gun can slow them down but it's not going to be enough to stop the killing," Farago said.




Wait, though.  That's a misrepresentation of both the results of the study AND what Farago said.  I know Robert (by reputation and I've exchanged emails and spoken on the phone with him...not about this particular event, though), and I know (by reputation) the others involved in that event.

The REAL take-home from that test was that a single armed defender CAN and DOES alter the outcome.  Robert's quote shows that.  Well, that simulated event and a whole bunch of real-world cases that were not simulations.  Take, for example, the Aurora, CO school attack where an armed defender stopped the attack after ONLY ONE PERSON KILLED, even though the killer had a target list and was going after specific target(s).  There are MANY other examples.

Ooo, here's another good case study: the doctor in Pennsylvania that stopped the attack in his office.  As I said, there are MANY others.

The only places where the 'death tolls' get high enough to tickle the gonads of the "if it bleeds it leads" mainstream news buttholes is at the Gun Free Zones.

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In other cases armed persons can save the day like the guys who tried to storm the art exhibit and got mowed down by security but...if we all had guns there would still be terrorism.



Citation Needed.

Well, okay, jokes aside, the purpose of armed individuals is for individuals to protect themselves...not "stop terrorism."

Geez, that's quite a goalpost that has to be met you've set up there.  A solution to a problem (a sovereign, free individual fighting to protect his/her OWN LIFE) has to completely eliminate ALL terrorism or it's not a "solution."  Just wow.

Having an armed person fight back may or may not change the outcome of any given event.  But, that's immaterial, really.  What really matters is that it is both morally reprehensible and repugnant to deny an individual the legal opportunity to make that choice for him or her self.

Here are two facts that cannot be disputed:

(1) The "Gun Free Zone" and all the firearms laws on the books now did not stop this attack. Nor do they stop ANY similar attack.

(2) The SWAT team did not actively respond and engage the shooter for THREE FRACKING HOURS.  I've seen a reference to at least one person bleeding out inside the club during that delay, but I don't know if that's confirmed / documented or rumor at this point.  If I find a link, I'll post it.

Three hours, though...think about that.

Now...think what you want about an armed citizen "stopping terrorism," but here's some food for thought given those two, undeniable FACTS about this case. 

First, regarding (1), if the bullsqueeze gun laws and crap (now existing and in the future passed) are not going to stop the 'bad guy,' what moral justification is there to enacting them to stop the "good guy" that just wants HIS or HER own chance to live another day while seeking to harm no one in the process?

As for (2), well...let's just say if that if someone INSIDE was able to fight back a little bit, perhaps those laying on the floor dying and waiting for help for THREE HOURS may have gotten it.  Maybe not, but maybe.  Maybe, just maybe, by the time the SWAT team even got there it would have been 'over' and those hurt by the bad actor could have gotten medical attention.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 14, 2016, 06:12:02 PM
Here's the link to the story about the girl that died while waiting for medical attention...during the three hour SWAT delay-in-engagement.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/philadelphia-teen-killed-nightclub-attack-called-mom-39828382 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/philadelphia-teen-killed-nightclub-attack-called-mom-39828382)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 14, 2016, 07:35:38 PM


~ snip ~

The common factor in all of these incidents is a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam that demands eternal jihad on nonbelievers.  It is EXACTLY what ER called it - a sickness within ONE religion that has infected a substantial number, perhaps a tenth or more, of its adherents to some degree.  And this doctrine is based on a literal interpretation of Muhammad's commands to make war on unbelievers, ALL unbelievers, until they are converted or enslaved.  That's in the Quran.

To their credit, a majority of the world's Muslims now ignore those passages.  

~ snip ~


Very close and this is why we must put a stop on the Muslim immigration.


This is where you and I, Skull, as well as Mr. Trump and I, part ways.  Some of our most important allies in this twilight struggle against the jihadists are progressive Muslims from states like Jordan and Morocco.  Treating them like enemies and barring their entrance to our country is stupidity.  You don't take the allies you have from a corner of the world where they are few and far between and deliberately alienate them by lumping them in with the enemies they are helping you destroy!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 14, 2016, 08:26:30 PM

The ease with which firearms may be purchased is really the issue. 



Uh-huh.  An objectively and provable incorrect piece of information.

Have YOU purchased a firearm?  If so, please outline your experience to show how "easy" it was.  It depends on your State, of course...but, this 'talking point' lie needs to die the death it deserves as an untruth.

This particular attacker not only jumped through all the hoops necessary to have a firearm (which includes Federally mandated NICS checks...aka "background checks"), but he had them FOR HIS JOB.  He was a licensed security officer in the State of Florida.  Further, he had been investigated by the FBI several times and (wait for it...) deemed "not a threat."

But yeah, the issue is how "easy" it is to get firearms.  Good grief.

Oh yeah, and let's not forget the other inconvenient FACT that he ALSO has explosives with him.  So, let's go ahead and make firearms harder to get and see if THAT stops attacks like this.  (Hint: It won't; 9/11 did not involve a single firearm, and neither did the incident where someone set a fire in a nightclub and killed a bunch of people).

So...how about we put the straw men to bed and face such issues like grown-ups, rather fall back to empty Progressive platitudes that are completely disconnect from the real world.

And, I'll leave this one here just for fun:

[url]http://thedeclination.com/candlelight-vigils-hearts-on-sidewalks-and-other-magic/[/url] ([url]http://thedeclination.com/candlelight-vigils-hearts-on-sidewalks-and-other-magic/[/url])


I do not see your point.  Do you need an automatic rifle?  How 'bout conservative platitudes?  You could keep it friendly. 

Oh, you challenge me about purchasing firearms?  Is that meant to be intimidating, or just macho bullsh!t? How interesting your argument immediately becomes based upon your personal knowledge of me.  These are the questions that need answering:  When did this killer buy his weapon?  How quickly did this person come to own it?  Had not the FBI investigated and interviewed this person, as you may have pointed out, yet he was able to purchase this weapon?  I'm naive?  I don't see you being condescending?  You have questions for me, well I have questions for you as you can see.  Me love you long time but sometimes you are long-winded and haughty. 

I'm outta here, enjoy the thread.

Listen, Rev, I expect those of us who know you know you will at least check in at times.  Ulthar and I have debated before, but always respectfully (at least on my non-condescending side  :teddyr:)  There won't be a problem here. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 14, 2016, 08:56:40 PM
ulthar - my point wasn't about gun rights it was about the guns and how they relate to fighting terrorism. in this case the gun was used FOR terrorism and no one else had a gun, as they are not required to by law, so his fire went unanswered.

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he REAL take-home from that test was that a single armed defender CAN and DOES alter the outcome.

I'd say that's spin on your part. the test showed that the likelihood that an armed citizen will counter act the efforts of a terrorist are small. if that's the case it would make more sense to ban guns altogether. that is, if stopping criminal acts in progress were the only justification for gun ownership.






Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 14, 2016, 09:36:31 PM

I do not see your point.


I'll distill it down for you: if it is really your assertion that the issue with the Orlando shooting is "how easy it is to get firearms," you are wrong.  Easy firearm purchase has nothing whatsoever to do with it, and changes nothing.

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  Do you need an automatic rifle?


Who said anything about an automatic rifle?  

(1) The rifle he used was not an automatic.

(2) Automatic rifles are EXTREMELY difficult to legally buy in the United States.  To purchase one requires a special tax stamp that involves a 6+ month wait and additional (above and beyond the normal NICS check) ATF examination of the application, and this special case paperwork is also VERY expensive.

If it is your assertion that "automatic rifles" are "easy" to legally purchase in the US, again, I will state, and I do mean this as respectfully as possible, that you do not have actual FACTS about firearms law in this country.

(3) I did not think my individual rights were enumerated in the US Constitution as the "Bill of Needs."  I am not morally required to justify my "need" to own any piece of private property any more than I'd be morally justified to show my need to attend the church of my choice or wish for an attorney to represent me if accused of a crime.

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  How 'bout conservative platitudes?


So, what conservative platitudes did I use?  I mentioned FACTS.  It's really quite simple...the 'talking points' being thrown about in the pop press, especially those used by politicians, regarding firearms are NOT FACTUAL.

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  You could keep it friendly. 


Here's the thing with that.  I'm way past keeping it friendly when lies are passed on as truth.  The truth of the matter is that this incident had NOTHING to do with firearms, and many, many other mass murders had nothing to do with firearms.  

The use of an incident like this for political purposes, to (a) further gun control and (b) vilify tens of millions of gun owners who have committed NO crime is repulsive, dishonest and illogical.

I'll tell you what...when Statist politicians and their sycophantic followers lay off trying to infringe on my individual, natural rights (including freedom of speech and due process as well as in regard to firearm ownership), maybe then I'll get back to "keeping it friendly."

As you ask me to keep it friendly, do you realize that the lives of gun owners are threatened daily online by anti-gun zealots?  I'm most certainly not accusing you of doing that, but while I do get a little "heated" in discussing this, I have threatened no one and will not do so...directly or implied.  

But, I hope you can understand that the vitriol leveled in my direction, as a gun owner, as a white man, as a Christian and as a Conservative has me, as I said, a little past TOO much concern about 'keeping it friendly.'  At this stage, I'm far more concerned with "truth" than I am friendliness.

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Oh, you challenge me about purchasing firearms?  Is that meant to be intimidating, or just macho bullsh!t?


Not at all.  It was an honest query to see if you really know what is involved in buying a firearm in this country.  You are the one that said it was 'easy,' and I am challenging you to show how easy it was for you  vs just repeating some BS lie Obama told last year (or whenever).

And, while we are at it, let's define "easy."  What exactly does that mean to you?  Is it easier to buy a gun or a car?  Is it easier to buy 10 gallons of gasoline (which could be used, as it has been, to murder gay people in a bar fire) or a firearm?  Is it easier to buy a knife (as was reported today to have been used in France on a Ramadan attack on a young woman who was intended to be a 'sacrifice') or firearm?

Mass murders (as defined by the government) have been committed with cars, gasoline and knives...all of which are easier to purchase than guns.  Yet for some bizarre reason when such occurs, we don't get a week of angst about regulating cars, gasoline or knives when that happens.

And as I said, 9/11 attack was perpetrated without a single firearm...yet I can still buy box cutters (no permit, no background check) and still fly on jets.

Such inconsistency is puzzling.

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 How interesting your argument immediately becomes based upon your personal knowledge of me.


I don't really know that much about you.  I simply asked if you had personal knowledge about how "easy" it is to purchase a firearm.  I don't even know what state you are in, which would impact your answer to that since different states have different laws.

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  These are the questions that need answering:  When did this killer buy his weapon?  How quickly did this person come to own it? 


What POSSIBLE difference does that make?  That makes no sense whatsoever.

Get your focus off the gun(s).  It simply does not matter when he got it, how he got it, where he got it or what kind it was.  

Attacks like this have been perpetrated with legally just-bought guns, illegally just-bought guns, stolen guns, guns that have been owned for decades, and all other ways.

None of that changes the basic fact: an a***ole used A WEAPON to kill people.  They'd be no less dead than if he set the place on fire or rammed his car through the building.  They'd be no less dead if he just bought the guns, got them from work, stole them from a cop car (it happens!) or, like the Sandy Hook killer, committed a murder to steal the guns.

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 Had not the FBI investigated and interviewed this person, as you may have pointed out, yet he was able to purchase this weapon? 


I'm not following this point.

He passed the NICS checks for any firearms he bought.  That means that AFTER the FBI investigated him for whatever they investigated him for (twice!), they did not enter him into the system as a flagged person.

Would it have mattered?

Probably not.

The dirty little secret about NICS is that it is a colossal waste of money.  It has been estimated that somewhere around 90-97% of 'positives' flagged by NICS are 'false positives' on honest people, AND that in over 70,000 "felon hits" a few years ago, the government only prosecuted 13 (thirteen) cases.  A multi-million dollar system put in place to catch felons trying to buy guns netted 13 convictions in an entire year.

Pretty much all NICS does is inconvenience law abiding citizens that are NOT prohibited persons (by the governments definition) until they can clear up their false positive.

So, there you have "Background Checks."  The government decides who goes on the list, and this "terrorist" was investigated for something by the FBI not once but twice, and he did not get on the list.  Yet hundreds of thousands of regular Joes get ON the list falsely each year.  That's why BG checks, such as NICS, are useless.

Said another way...NICS did not stop this guy from murdering people.

In addition, he was a LICENSED security "operator" and had access to firearms as part of his job.  This is ANOTHER reason why 'where he got them' and all that is immaterial.  He had access to them, just like EVERYONE that wants to do something like this has access to them somehow, some way, even if they make their is (ie, 'total bans' won't work...the technology exists and they are not THAT hard to make...).

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 I'm naive? 


I just re-read my post to see if I called you that and did not see it.  So, I'm wondering if that's a question you are asking me now to address.

I don't think you are naive.  I do, however, think you believe some things that are verifiably untrue.  These things are satisfying to believe, but that does not make them true.

Factually, firearms are not really "easy" to purchase in the US, and automatic ones (which is irrelevant since no automatic firearm was used in this case) even harder.  But all that is a diversion anyway.  The real issue is not the firearm(s) the bad guy had, but rather the LACK of firearms the victims had.

You may not like guns, and that's cool.  But, they exist, and bad guys use them to do bad things.  The problem with ALL the suggestions ALL the politicians are talking about by making the guns the issue here is that anything they "do" will ONLY effect you, me, Indy, etc...and not the type of a-hole that would walk into a bar and kill 50 people...with whatever weapon he chooses.

The whole "he used a gun" thing is a deflection.  I don't even care to get into the "He was a Muslim" thing.  The ONLY thing that matters, ultimately and deep down, is that I want a chance....I want a CHANCE to defend myself, my wife and my children if, God forbid, some sh1thead happens to do something like this where WE are at any given moment.

It is personally repulsive to me at a very limbic level that my life, and the lives of my family, could be sacrificed on the alter of "politics" because some power hungry narcissist thinks climbing on the bodies of the dead to shout the evils of guns is the quickest way to personal fame.

The Pulse Club victims' families have not even had a chance to grieve yet, and yet those victims are being forgotten in the rhetoric of blaming the gun for the actions of a human being.  Rationally, it makes no sense to focus on the gun, because OTHER WEAPONS have been, and are routinely used for similar attacks.  It's all just nonsense...insulting, repugnant nonsense.

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 I don't see you being condescending?  You have questions for me, well I have questions for you as you can see.  Me love you long time but sometimes you are long-winded and haughty. 


Ask away, and guilty as charged on the long winded thing...even though it's 'typing.'  I touch type rather fast, so it just flows with the thoughts sometimes.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 14, 2016, 10:01:24 PM

I'd say that's spin on your part. the test showed that the likelihood that an armed citizen will counter act the efforts of a terrorist are small.



That is incorrect.  The test did NOT show that; Robert's comment taken out of context of the simulations suggest that.

I am very familiar with that series of simulations and was part of a BIG discussion in how to properly interpret the results after the fact.  You are getting information from secondary publications, whereas I was communicating with him and the other organizers directly.

I'm not spinning anything.  Here we go.

They ran the simulation numerous times, each time with a different "armed defender."  I want to say 8 times, but I could be remembering wrong.  It was something like that...in that ballpark.

In all cases, the attackers knew there would be an armed defender present.  The attackers were not caught off guard by someone returning fire.  That's an important point, as the real world incidents suggest that surprise counter-attack has a large effect.

In all but one case, the armed defender "died."  THAT is what Farago was talking about when implying the result does not change much.  That is, they kinda sorta artificially sent the criterion for success as "armed defender lives" or some such.  The other artificially high criterion was that both attackers were "killed."  More on that in a bit.

But, as Robert said in the quote you provided, in ALL cases, the attack was slowed and diverted.  THAT IS THE IMPORTANT RESULT.  The presence of the armed defender gave people, others (not the armed person specifically), a chance.

Further, in each run that the defender was killed, or at least most of them (I'm going by memory...I could double check all this if you would like), ONE of the attackers was "killed."  This is ANOTHER important result...the presence of the armed attacker clearly disrupted the attack, changed the attack pattern, gave 'innocents' a chance to get away and reduced the number of assailants for the police to deal with as THEY engaged.

Now, back to giving others a chance.  One run of the simulation involved an armed defender that did not 'die' in the sim.  This was a lady that chose to use her firearm to cover the retreat and escape of others in the room rather than engage the attackers directly.

They all got away, and so did she (again, going by memory...point is, the result was phenomenal).

So, in Robert's quote that was taken out of context, he was speaking about meeting some specific criteria per individual run, but the REAL lessons of that exercise showed as a whole dataset the following key facts, reiterated for clarity:

(1) The armed defender DID disrupt the attack (consistent with Farago as quoted)
(2) All or most armed defenders did manage to kill at least one assailant.  In a case like Orlando where there was only one bad guy shooter (presumably), the presence of a single armed defender can have a HUGE impact on the result if the simulation results correlate.
(3) It is tactically possible for an armed defender to COMPLETELY disrupt the attack's effectiveness, even if this does NOT involve killing the bad guy(s). 

(It should be noted on that point that killing the bad guy(s) is not the goal of armed self defense...it is stopping threats and protecting life of innocent victims).

Further, we can add to this the data set of the number of times armed defenders were present in real cases and effectively stopped attacks within seconds.  Again, this does not HAVE to involve killing the attacker, just disrupting the attack.  I could provide a lengthy list of such real cases.

So, the simulations of Hebdo corroborated what is known from analysis of real incidents.

I should also point out that Robert caught a TON of flack for that quote when it was published.  He was not misquoted, but his comments were made out of context of proper analysis of the simulation series as a whole.

I'll be happy to contact Robert and have him address this if you'd rather hear it from him, or even the organizer of the simulations (who has a background in emergency preparedness planning and the like).

So, no...I'm not "spinning" anything.  I know what the actual data was, I remember the flack that occurred due to Robert being quoted thusly in the article, and I know what the real world data show as well.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 14, 2016, 10:09:06 PM

This is where you and I, Skull, as well as Mr. Trump and I, part ways.  Some of our most important allies in this twilight struggle against the jihadists are progressive Muslims from states like Jordan and Morocco.  Treating them like enemies and barring their entrance to our country is stupidity.  You don't take the allies you have from a corner of the world where they are few and far between and deliberately alienate them by lumping them in with the enemies they are helping you destroy!


Fair enough, but are these the Muslims that are "immigrating" as refugees?  I keep hearing about Syria, not Jordan and Morocco.

And, here's the thing...even if they are from Syria and they are "good Muslims," that would be born out by some kind of vetting, right?  I mean, that is what lies at the bottom of this "immigration" issue.  We have no real vetting and just an "open border."

For some reason, the concept of "slow down, let's take the time to know who they are" scares the dickens out of the left.  Or seems to.  That's ALL anyone is saying so far as I can tell.  It's little different than voter id - what the heck really is wrong with that kind of vetting, given that voter fraud DOES happen?

What's wrong with vetting immigrants?  I think that's what Trump's been saying all along...stop 'em til we know who they are.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 14, 2016, 10:18:21 PM
Trump uses ugly, inflammatory rhetoric to demonize whole groups of people, and doesn't consider the consequences of his words.  That's what scares me about him.  He will create far more enemies abroad than we already have, and that's not a good thing.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 14, 2016, 10:23:09 PM
" THAT IS THE IMPORTANT RESULT."

thats subjective and your (attempted) reversal of the stories headline and focus is spin.

"I should also point out that Robert caught a TON of flack for that quote when it was published."

I don't know this guy or really care about his group other than his attempt to prove that guns could have prevented the hebdo killings failed by his own admission. or his study or whatever it was. guns aren't magic and society needs to weigh the advantages and disadvantages to allowing them. the latter are piling up if you can't see that you're blind

how about we give all Muslim immigrants guns and then deport them?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 14, 2016, 10:40:52 PM
Ulthar
I can't get the text of your many LONG WINDED remarks small enough to quote you, so I've omitted them.

(1) The rifle he used was not an automatic.  (1) The rifle he used was not an automatic.  (1) The rifle he used was not an automatic. 
 
I should have written semi-automatic.  Really?  What a twat you can be, though I love you, you are the exacting scientist and I'm just a poor uneducated fool, as you'd pointed out here on this forum.  You are my Grand King Poo-bah. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 14, 2016, 10:47:09 PM
" THAT IS THE IMPORTANT RESULT."

thats subjective and your (attempted) reversal of the stories headline and focus is spin.

"I should also point out that Robert caught a TON of flack for that quote when it was published."

I don't know this guy or really care about his group other than his attempt to prove that guns could have prevented the hebdo killings failed by his own admission. or his study or whatever it was. guns aren't magic and society needs to weigh the advantages and disadvantages to allowing them. the latter are piling up if you can't see that you're blind

how about we give all Muslim immigrants guns and then deport them?

Okay, this is ridiculous.

Do you know what the word "sophistry" means?  It applies here to your acceptance of this article.

I'm saying something you don't want to hear and you are calling it spin and my subjective rewriting of the headline.

I'm telling you, I KNOW this study...I was not there during the sims themselves, but I was part of the discussion about the data before that article you are putting so much faith in was even published.  I'm telling you I can get the guy that was taken out of context to comment on your understanding of what he did...and actually said...and you are telling me, essentially, "blah blah blah...I don't want to hear that, I just want to believe what I want to believe."

Good grief.

Believe what you want.  If data and evidence won't convince you to alter your understanding, there really is no point in talking about it, is there?  I mean, it's just dogma at that point.

For anyone else playing at home....the simulations bore out exactly what I outlined above as I outlined them, and the results are 100% in alignment with analysis of real attacks (not simulations).  Anyone has any questions on the topic, feel free to PM me.

To summarize:

(1) In every case, the attack was disrupted...the attackers had to RESPOND to the counter-attack.
(2) In every case but one (or nearly so...going on memory), at least one attacker out of two was "killed."
(3) In one case, many innocents were "saved" by the use of the defensive firearm tactically to 'cover' the retreat and escape of everyone in the room.

Now, if one looks at (2) and (3) and conclude that it was a "failure," there's no hope.  And that's not what Robert said anyway, even as quoted in the article.  Here's what he said, as Lester himself quoted previously:

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"The important thing to recognize here is if you're facing a coordinated terror attack by more than one gunmen, one gun can slow them down but it's not going to be enough to stop the killing," Farago said.


See that part..."one gun can slow them down"  

Nowhere did Robert Farago call it a "failure."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 14, 2016, 10:52:09 PM
Ulthar
I can't get the text of your many LONG WINDED remarks small enough to quote you, so I've omitted them.

(1) The rifle he used was not an automatic.  (1) The rifle he used was not an automatic.  (1) The rifle he used was not an automatic. 
 
I should have written semi-automatic.  Really?  What a twat you can be, though I love you, you are the exacting scientist and I'm just a poor uneducated fool, as you'd pointed out here on this forum.  You are my Grand King Poo-bah. 

Sorry if words mean things ...    :teddyr:

However, I might have been a little more forgiving on that point had not it actually been made an issue in the press.

But, I hope we are all clear that the legalities regarding automatic vs semi-automatic are VERY, VERY different...as are the capabilities of the firearms themselves.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 15, 2016, 01:06:36 AM
And in the Indiana Smith Administration, ULTHAR will be National Science Czar!
And Secretary of Verbally Demolishing People Who p**s Me Off !     :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 15, 2016, 05:59:33 AM
Trump uses ugly, inflammatory rhetoric to demonize whole groups of people, and doesn't consider the consequences of his words.  That's what scares me about him. 

Sorry but you're falling into that Media Propaganda; they don't want Trump and pulling s**t out of there ass to make people like you think he's no damn good for the country. The founding fathers designed this country so we can get a Reagan or a Trump.

Trump has nothing to do with the terror attacks.


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He will create far more enemies abroad than we already have, and that's not a good thing.

Before Obama was President and before Hillary was Secretary of State... ISIS didn't exist.

Before Obama was President Iran didn't get a nuke deal.

Before Obama was President North Korea was not testing nuclear weapons.

Before Obama was President The Cold War with Russia was consider over (he actually started a second cold war).







Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 15, 2016, 07:53:40 AM
No, I just listen to what the man says, and I find it chilling and repulsive at the same time.

As far as your point for point - yes, ISIS was created by Obama's precipitous withdrawal from Iraq.  No doubt there.
Second point also true.
Third point - false, NK tested its first nuke while Bush was President.
Fourth - more ambivalent.  Putin had already started testing the waters during the last two years of Bush.

My point is not that Hillary is better.  My point is that both candidates SUCK!  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on June 15, 2016, 09:07:45 AM
And in the Indiana Smith Administration, ULTHAR will be National Science Czar!
And Secretary of Verbally Demolishing People Who p**s Me Off !     :cheers:

 :bluesad: :bluesad:

I thought that second one was my portfolio  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2016, 09:42:42 AM
"  If data and evidence won't convince you to alter your understanding, "

occum's razor dude. read the article, headline. it says what it appears to say. maybe you spend too much time in an echo chamber and can't see the forest for the trees. obviously someone having a gun will change any situation they're in but the terrorists in the hebdo attack had the drop on the victims. plus they're terrorists they don't care if they die in the act.

adjusting immigration policies would have been a much better way for France to have handled that, not to mention the welfare payments that draw so many of them. places like Poland and Japan have no terrorism because they have no Muslims


Indiana " ISIS was created by Obama's precipitous withdrawal from Iraq.  "

it was created by radical Islam and all these problems we're discussing moreso imo


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 15, 2016, 10:19:39 AM
"  If data and evidence won't convince you to alter your understanding, "

occum's razor dude. read the article, headline.


The funny part, and yes, I'm laughing at you right now, is that you think the headline of a secondary article written by a non-participant in the event for a lay audience contains more information than the people that were actually THERE and conducted the simulations.

Stunning.

And, I don't think "Occam's Razor" means what you think it means.  On second thought, I'm sure it doesn't.  It does not mean "Waaaah, I want confirmation bias in my life so I will look at a headline of a article as factual."

Man, seriously.  Your are arguing from such a messed up position is truly is laughable.  And sad.

Now, when you want to re-engage in a discussion about the ACTUAL FACTS of that study, or any of the many other REAL WORLD events (that I notice you conveniently do ignore, even though I've referenced them several times), you let me know.  I'll be happy to debate it.

But what I won't do is try to engage in a conversation with someone that both misunderstands the nature of the problem that simulation was designed to explore AND willingly and admittedly refuses to acknowledge DATA and FACTS.

Geez...get it through your head.  Robert himself said in the quote you quoted that an single armed defender has an effect.

And your response is to go to the HEADLINE and article as the MORE authoritative source of information to dispute my claim that, uh, an armed defender has an effect?

You have lost ALL credibility with me.  I just can't take this conversation seriously anymore.

I offered to have Robert Farago himself clarify his remarks ... which may have agreed with YOUR take, by the way...who knows?...and you refused.

I think from that last fact alone it is pretty clear where the intellectual honesty lies in this particular discussion. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2016, 10:30:47 AM
"You have lost ALL credibility with me.  I just can't take this conversation seriously anymore."

lol


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 15, 2016, 05:51:00 PM
Ulthar
I can't get the text of your many LONG WINDED remarks small enough to quote you, so I've omitted them.

(1) The rifle he used was not an automatic.  (1) The rifle he used was not an automatic.  (1) The rifle he used was not an automatic. 
 
I should have written semi-automatic.  Really?  What a twat you can be, though I love you, you are the exacting scientist and I'm just a poor uneducated fool, as you'd pointed out here on this forum.  You are my Grand King Poo-bah. 

Sorry if words mean things ...    :teddyr:

However, I might have been a little more forgiving on that point had not it actually been made an issue in the press.

But, I hope we are all clear that the legalities regarding automatic vs semi-automatic are VERY, VERY different...as are the capabilities of the firearms themselves.

If you answered my questions, there were too many words typed there, y'know, all full of MEANING, for me to find such answers. 

http://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/bill-oreilly-takes-stunning-stance-154449244.html (http://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/bill-oreilly-takes-stunning-stance-154449244.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 15, 2016, 09:21:08 PM
No, I just listen to what the man says, and I find it chilling and repulsive at the same time.

Today there are only two ways to get elected... One play Santa or be aggressive. And I'm enjoying Obama and Hillary are playing defense on the Muslim issue.


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As far as your point for point - yes, ISIS was created by Obama's precipitous withdrawal from Iraq.  No doubt there.
Second point also true.
Third point - false, NK tested its first nuke while Bush was President.
Fourth - more ambivalent.  Putin had already started testing the waters during the last two years of Bush.

Ok I was wrong about NK... If Putin was testing the waters with Bush, well he's sure is p**sing in the water with Obama...





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 15, 2016, 09:31:35 PM
A very terrible thing happened in the USA yesterday.  Orlando.  There is lots of diversion and politics already attached to this tragedy.  The ease with which firearms may be purchased is really the issue. 

"Atrocity" is a better word than "tragedy".

Agreed. 

The issue is the intrinsic sickness within a single religion which has inspired most of the acts of hate-fueled mass murder that we've seen in recent years.
Your remarks are untrue, but akin in radicalism to those you condemn.  This murderer was an American, born right here, perhaps radicalized by some dopey source, but perhaps he was also a self-loathing homophobic closet case.  There have been many instances of mass shootings right here that had nothing to do with "radical Islam".  In each case, the easy acquisition of firearms figures prominently. 


And the ease with with firearms may be purchased is far less a cause here than the failure of a jurisdiction to allow citizens to be armed for self-defense, as is their Constitutional right.

Once again Islamic dogma motivated someone to slaughter an unarmed population, and once again people somehow fail to get that. Since Mohammad mandated the death penalty for homosexuals, why is it so many analyzing this crime seem unable to follow the trail to its source?

So... if victims who may have chosen to never own a firearm, had been armed, what melee would have resulted?  We have the second amendment, right?  Should we all walk around armed to the hilt?  And how often in a gun culture, like in our impoverished areas, do unlicensed persons pull a gun and pull the trigger right here in America born and bred?   

Why do so many in the west weep instead of feeling outrage?

I am not "weeping" and of course I am outraged, but I cannot condemn a religion, support actions that are bigoted, or fail to see some glaring facts that, politicized, you fail to see.  This murderer was deranged, probably burdened with shame and anger; an evil outfit like ISIS are quick to claim responsibility.  They want you to believe their narrative. 

Yer me f**kin HERO! Virtal karma my freind.  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 15, 2016, 10:18:33 PM
Trump uses ugly, inflammatory rhetoric to demonize whole groups of people, and doesn't consider the consequences of his words.  That's what scares me about him. 

Sorry but you're falling into that Media Propaganda; they don't want Trump and pulling s**t out of there ass to make people like you think he's no damn good for the country. The founding fathers designed this country so we can get a Reagan or a Trump.

Trump has nothing to do with the terror attacks.


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He will create far more enemies abroad than we already have, and that's not a good thing.

Before Obama was President and before Hillary was Secretary of State... ISIS didn't exist.

Before Obama was President Iran didn't get a nuke deal.

Before Obama was President North Korea was not testing nuclear weapons.

Before Obama was President The Cold War with Russia was consider over (he actually started a second cold war).






And Obama caused all this stuff?
Quit being a kid.Your politics are like Steve Ditko.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 15, 2016, 10:27:06 PM
All this thats happining in the world happened-or would happen-wether Obama was in office or not.
To blame Obama for this s**t is -crazy talk-It would happen if Ronald f**king Reagan was president.Radical terrosit f**kers dont care whos president-theyll f**king kill you -black,white,yellow,red,pur-f**kin-ple!
Its a scary world-We dont need a millionare-Trump is a Svengali to RED NECK America.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 15, 2016, 10:39:46 PM
All this thats happining in the world happened-or would happen-wether Obama was in office or not.
To blame Obama for this s**t is -crazy talk-It would happen if Ronald f**king Reagan was president.Radical terrosit f**kers dont care whos president-theyll f**king kill you -black,white,yellow,red,pur-f**kin-ple!
Its a scary world-We dont need a millionare-Trump is a Svengali to RED NECK America.
You crazy.  Me love you long time... 



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 16, 2016, 05:26:19 AM

And Obama caused all this stuff?
Quit being a kid.Your politics are like Steve Ditko.

I know some people actually believe that ISIS was created by Obama. But I don't believed it. I do know that Hillary and Obama had the option to stop ISIS before they were big and they refused to act.

The Iran Nuke deal is Obama, Democrats and most of the current Republicans fault. I think everybody that signed the deal should be tried for treason.

I was wrong about NK... but I've been hearing all the nuke tests in the last 4 years.

And Putin is p**sing in the Obama cool aid.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 16, 2016, 10:39:02 AM
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I know some people actually believe that ISIS was created by Obama. But I don't believed it. I do know that Hillary and Obama had the option to stop ISIS before they were big and they refused to act.

"act" how launch another war in the Middle East? no thanks

and how are Iran, Putin and North Korea my/ our problem either?

speaking of which, ever notice how people use the expression 'the world stage" but really there is no stage? like physically. where is the world stage? rome?

Is it where Hamilton plays?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 16, 2016, 08:42:58 PM
And, I'll just leave this here, with the added comment that not all known incidents in the second category are included in this graphic.  But, no...a armed citizen present at the time of the attack doesn't have an effect!!!  Let the Cognitive Dissonance begin!

(http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/courtesy-LGBT-for-Gun-Rights-Facebook-page-675x900.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on June 17, 2016, 07:33:18 AM
Just to get people smiling:

(https://i.imgflip.com/15tkr7.jpg)

 :teddyr: :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 17, 2016, 07:57:56 AM
Just so you guys know, I have received a complaint about this thread (non-specific, not mentioning anyone's name) from someone who's not involved in the arguments here.

I am fairly sure Andrew never would have let this thread go on so long, but he's not around, and I don't feel like the mods here have the authority to lock it unless it gets ridiculously bad.

I just remind you all once more to remember to be polite in your disagreements.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 17, 2016, 08:31:45 AM
from someone who's not involved in the arguments here.

Freedom to Silence?

I've seen threads like this in other places and this is one the most tamed. I've cringed with the ulthar/lester1/2jr debate but it's not that bad compared to other websites. The gun debate is a big issue.

I'm going to stay away from this thread for a few days :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 17, 2016, 08:37:42 AM

Just so you guys know, I have received a complaint about this thread (non-specific, not mentioning anyone's name) from someone who's not involved in the arguments here.


Okay, so...this exactly the kind of thing that Milo Yiannopoulus, and many others, have been talking about in regard to the cultural suppression of "Freedom of Speech" by people that don't want any ideas that disagree with their own even stated.

Why in the heck is someone that is not even participating in the thread complaining about it?  If someone does not like the argument/discussion/debate...whatever you want to call it...don't read it.

What is GAINED by complaining in such a case?  One possible thing is that someone said something someone didn't like or agree with and rather than speak up, it's an end-run around participation and going behind the scenes to 'block' conversation.  That's SJW style tactics and if it were me, I'd be very wary of letting that get a foot-hold here on this site.

This thread is harmless...it's a hand full of bmdo members, all who have 'known' each other a LONG time on here...venting and batting things around.  We've ALL had heated conversations (moreso than this, truth be told) in the past, and we're all still friends.

Lock it if you want; I sure don't care.  But seriously, this is a bizarre justification to do so.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 17, 2016, 09:19:57 AM

Just so you guys know, I have received a complaint about this thread (non-specific, not mentioning anyone's name) from someone who's not involved in the arguments here.


Okay, so...this exactly the kind of thing that Milo Yiannopoulus, and many others, have been talking about in regard to the cultural suppression of "Freedom of Speech" by people that don't want any ideas that disagree with their own even stated.


I don't agree with that assessment at all. The complaint is not about the content of the thread or anyone's opinion, but with the decorum of some of the participants, i.e. that it has gotten "too nasty."

I do agree that the best response is not to read the thread if you find it annoying and unpleasant.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 17, 2016, 09:49:19 AM

Quote from: ulthar

Okay, so...this exactly the kind of thing that Milo Yiannopoulus, and many others, have been talking about in regard to the cultural suppression of "Freedom of Speech" by people that don't want any ideas that disagree with their own even stated.


I don't agree with that assessment at all. The complaint is not about the content of the thread or anyone's opinion, but with the decorum of some of the participants, i.e. that it has gotten "too nasty."

I do agree that the best response is not to read the thread if you find it annoying and unpleasant.


So, you've just confirmed exactly what I said....a SJW-esque attempt to shut down the discussion.  That's EXACTLY the tactic used.

As I said, do what you want.  But know that this "stop it, it's too nasty" stuff grows like a cancer on every web site, forum, blog, whatever that it starts in.  Today it's the "Who Will Be The Next President" thread but it won't stop there.

Seriously...think about it.  Someone that is not even participating in the discussion is complaining that the discussion is "nasty" when we've seen far worse on here over MOVIE opinions.  Wasn't it WyredWizard or something like that used to start some mondo discussions?  Some of the replies to him FAR exceeded anything in this thread.

If no one in the actual discussion has their feelings hurt by it, why should someone not participating care?  That's a real question...what is the TRUE motivation in the complaint?

This is the very essence of "freedom."  Freedom (speech, or any other) is not every one getting along and happily saying what they want so long as they don't offend anyone.  Freedom is messy.  It's easy in the happy times, but it gets a might harder when one is faced with granting those freedoms to others...especially others with whom one disagrees.

This is VERY relevant to the topic of this thread.  This election is about the very core concept of what the United States of America really is right now in this point in history.  Are we a nation built on the founding principles outlined in the US Constitution, or are we something else?  If something else, what?

The anger and frustration mildly expressed in this thread is simply a snapshot of the very real anger felt by nearly everyone in the country.  The supporters of all candidates are angry, and many are angry that they don't have a candidate they can support.

In this climate, it is exactly the WRONG time to even try to stifle discussion.  It is ONLY through discussion/debate/argument that we learn new things and find a path through the anger and frustration.

I've gotten on Lester's case a bit in this thread, and I'll admit that.  But, I have a LOT of respect for him and agree with a lot of what he says...here and in past discussions.  I said what I said to him because I am 100% confident that he can "take it," ... and give it right back.  He's not afraid to say what he needs to say to me - even if that happened to be "eff off" - and he shouldn't be.  I can "take it" as well.

Now, I know this is wordy so AHD will be upset with me (if he reads it...  :teddyr: ), but there you go.  This is who we are.  We KNOW each other.  We can take a little bit of 'disagreement' without losing our friendship.  If that were not the case, most of us would have bailed on this site years ago.

So, here's my proposal.  If you believe this thread needs to be shut down, I propose you just ditch all the OT related boards completely.  We'll still have heated debates in the movie threads from time to time, but at least they won't be "politics," right?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on June 17, 2016, 10:01:47 AM
I was the one who raised the issue with Rev: I hate to see people I consider family going at each other's throats over politics.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 17, 2016, 10:22:04 AM
I'm sorry I brought you into this, Trevor. My mistake. I did advise Trevor simply not to read this thread, which I think is the best advice.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 17, 2016, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: ulthar
Okay, so...this exactly the kind of thing that Milo Yiannopoulus, and many others, have been talking about in regard to the cultural suppression of "Freedom of Speech" by people that don't want any ideas that disagree with their own even stated.
I don't agree with that assessment at all. The complaint is not about the content of the thread or anyone's opinion, but with the decorum of some of the participants, i.e. that it has gotten "too nasty."
I do agree that the best response is not to read the thread if you find it annoying and unpleasant.
So, you've just confirmed exactly what I said....a SJW-esque attempt to shut down the discussion.  That's EXACTLY the tactic used.
But you don't need to be right.   :wink:

...
I've gotten on Lester's case a bit in this thread, and I'll admit that.  But, I have a LOT of respect for him and agree with a lot of what he says...here and in past discussions.  I said what I said to him because I am 100% confident that he can "take it," ... and give it right back.  He's not afraid to say what he needs to say to me - even if that happened to be "eff off" - and he shouldn't be.  I can "take it" as well.
 
You got that first statement right, but I'd say more than "a bit". 

Now, I know this is wordy so AHD will be upset with me (if he reads it...  :teddyr: ), but there you go. ..

"Upset"?  You give your many words too much weight... or merit.  You are annoying, but I could not be angry with you.  Me love you long time.  Oh, and I never debated the merits of an armed victim stopping an assault.  I think remarks about victims being armed puts the onus on them.  Guess what?  Many people don't want handguns.  I wanted to know how quickly the murderer we were discussing acquired his semi-automatic rifle.  I asked about the FBI in relation to this case (an issue with legs).  I think I had a 3rd query.  Additionally, I would be interested to know how many rounds a shooter could get off of such a weapon in one minute.  If you have responses, keep 'em brief.  You're not in a courtroom, or a science lab; you're on an internet forum.   :smile: 


Thank you, Rev, for trying to keep order and being there for all of us. 


Trevor, give the good Rev a break; he's on his own with enough to concern himself with here.  You don't like a portion of the forum?  Wade in and let everybody know.  Perhaps you'll influence some. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 17, 2016, 01:51:45 PM

I wanted to know how quickly the murderer we were discussing acquired his semi-automatic rifle.


What do you mean by "quickly?"  From the time he went into the store to get it until he left?

He had plenty of time to acquire his weapon of choice by legal or illegal means.  He'd been planning this (or a similar) attack for a month or more.

What you'll notice is that I repeatedly dismissed this question as irrelevant, because it is.  Who cares "how quickly?"  It adds nothing to the discussion and is nothing but a distraction.

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  I asked about the FBI in relation to this case (an issue with legs).


What do you want to know about the FBI? 

Here's what is understood right now: He was investigated by the FBI twice, was once on a 'watch list' of some kind but subsequently taken off, one gun store he tried to purchase in found him suspicious so the owner called the police (nothing was done) AND he passed all NICS checks for firearm purchases AND obtained a special security license AND worked for a security company that has now been tied directly to the movement and placing of illegal immigrants.

What is it specifically you want to know about the FBI's involvement in the period before he attacked?

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Additionally, I would be interested to know how many rounds a shooter could get off of such a weapon in one minute.


How fast can a shooter pull the trigger?  1-2 times per second if not aiming maybe, but you can't really sustain that rate of fire.  Most AR magazines are 30 rounds or less, so, you'd have to include magazine changes in there.

But again, what POSSIBLE relevance does that have?  He was alone in the building with the victims for what, 20 minutes or so, before the cops arrived and a total of THREE HOURS before he was engaged by the cops.

It has now been well established that at least one person died due to the lack of medical attention and another was shot during the 'down time' between police arrival and engagement.

So, his 'rate of fire' is immaterial.  If you look at the graphic I posted earlier, you will see that in ALL the cases in the top category, the time available to the bad guy is long enough to do similar destruction with ANY firearm, a knife or even a rock.

As has been astutely pointed out on other forums, in that kind of timescale (three hours) he could easily have had a Brown Bess muzzleloader and killed the number of people he did.  His choice of weapon or proficiency with it had nothing to do with the outcome.
 
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  If you have responses, keep 'em brief. 


Yeah, tell ya what.  I'll go ahead and respond however length I want.  If you don't want to read it, that's your call and I couldn't care less.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 17, 2016, 02:49:41 PM
...

Yeah, tell ya what.  I'll go ahead and respond however length I want.  If you don't want to read it, that's your call and I couldn't care less.

Well you don't have to be unfriendly.  After all, it is your opinion that my concerns are irrelevant and worthy of dismissal, so why even bother to respond with no responses?  Oh yes, you couldn't then open the vortex and blow.   :smile:

 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 17, 2016, 03:26:10 PM
Back to the topic of Who should be the Next President?






ME!!!!! :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 17, 2016, 06:15:24 PM
Feds add Orlando gay club shooter’s father, wife to no-fly lists


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/feds-add-orlando-gay-club-shooter%E2%80%99s-father-wife-to-no-fly-lists/ar-AAhdXeL?ocid=ansmsnnews11 (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/feds-add-orlando-gay-club-shooter%E2%80%99s-father-wife-to-no-fly-lists/ar-AAhdXeL?ocid=ansmsnnews11)


Yeah, I sort of got a feeling that his father could be behind this...

Back to the topic of Who should be the Next President?






ME!!!!! :teddyr:


I would like to see you VP for Trump :) [Maybe you should talk to him]


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 17, 2016, 11:52:33 PM
My only motivation in accepting that would be to engineer his assassination, and then replace him and become the overlord of the universe!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 20, 2016, 08:51:48 AM
My only motivation in accepting that would be to engineer his assassination, and then replace him and become the overlord of the universe!

Now I see the connection with you and Ted Cruz...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5msCjCWWrk0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5msCjCWWrk0)


On the serious note... it seemed that the US government is releasing a 'partial recording' of the 911 call from the gay bar shooter; Freedom to Censor at it's best. Partial recording because they don't want any Islamic references coming from the shooter. Even though the shooter had to call in to make such references because he wanted to be award for his deed.

For those that don't know... When an Islamic Terrorist is killing and/or mass killing they must announce the act (so they will be awarded for their deed)... I think it's called a: Bay'at or Bay'ah... sorry if I got the word wrong but I know there's a word for this act.  


It does make you kind of wonder... I mean by: I'm a boy and today I feel like a girl... The government would be like, "I have a right to feel like a girl." Even though I'm not a girl... Meanwhile a terrorist shooting 100 people is telling the world he's doing it for Islam - the government is looking for any other means but the one the shooter was calming.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 20, 2016, 04:51:24 PM

My only motivation in accepting that would be to engineer his assassination, and then replace him and become the overlord of the universe!



http://bigstory.ap.org/article/06e5955c55a94a8bbb142adeca597213/authorities-man-vegas-rally-said-he-wanted-kill-trump (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/06e5955c55a94a8bbb142adeca597213/authorities-man-vegas-rally-said-he-wanted-kill-trump)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 21, 2016, 01:34:38 AM

My only motivation in accepting that would be to engineer his assassination, and then replace him and become the overlord of the universe!



[url]http://bigstory.ap.org/article/06e5955c55a94a8bbb142adeca597213/authorities-man-vegas-rally-said-he-wanted-kill-trump[/url] ([url]http://bigstory.ap.org/article/06e5955c55a94a8bbb142adeca597213/authorities-man-vegas-rally-said-he-wanted-kill-trump[/url])


I believe Trump is perhaps the most polarizing candidate this country has ever had.
I'll give you odds -if he's elected-which likely will happen-he doesn't survive his first term.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 21, 2016, 08:48:48 AM
Yep.  Blowing through PC nonsense is "polarizing."

Trump is a by-product of a culture that has stigmatized disagreeing with Progressive ideology.  In other words, the polarization was already there.  Trump did not cause it. 

Our nation has been this polarized for 20 years, but 1/2 the population has been unjustifiably called a racist or a bigot nearly every time they opened their mouth to express an opinion.

So again, Trump did not cause this.  His popularity is an effect.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 21, 2016, 09:45:16 AM
Yep.  Blowing through PC nonsense is "polarizing."

Trump is a by-product of a culture that has stigmatized disagreeing with Progressive ideology.  In other words, the polarization was already there.  Trump did not cause it. 

Our nation has been this polarized for 20 years, but 1/2 the population has been unjustifiably called a racist or a bigot nearly every time they opened their mouth to express an opinion.

So again, Trump did not cause this.  His popularity is an effect.
Sadly-what you say is true.
Also sadly-just because it's NOT PC don't make it RIGHT.
I could care less about PC-Trump is an example of a people following a man who appeals to the blue collar (why is beyond me-he's a flippin millionaire)-by telling them what they want to hear.
Once he gets in office-dollars to donuts-he turns on you and goes for his own agenda.
I could care less about PC-what is-what isn't-as a human being and a thinking man who couldn't give a flying f#ck about rich people with secret agendas (dont feel bad-I think Hillary has one too)-he's a liar and he is just telling you what you want to hear-he's a f**king TV star,man! He is a genius at manipulation.
I know this will sound like the old-"compare to Hitler" thing-but it is comparable-Hitler took a desillusioned mass and made them into lemmings.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 21, 2016, 09:54:01 AM
I dont see ANYBODY in the near future who has this country's interest at heart.
They ALL have some kinda personal agenda.
GOD DAMMIT!  :hot:
I LOVE my country!
For rich scumbags running for president who have no real idea how common people live is depressing.
And they are all liars-Trump-Hillary-f**k em.  :hatred:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 21, 2016, 10:17:50 AM
Yep.  Blowing through PC nonsense is "polarizing."

Trump is a by-product of a culture that has stigmatized disagreeing with Progressive ideology.  In other words, the polarization was already there.  Trump did not cause it.  

Our nation has been this polarized for 20 years, but 1/2 the population has been unjustifiably called a racist or a bigot nearly every time they opened their mouth to express an opinion.

So again, Trump did not cause this.  His popularity is an effect.

This is true.
He is-your right.
But the masses started Communism. And Facism. Folks like Stalin and Hitler and Mussolini got where the were buy popular support. The masses are idiots.
So-actually-by history's  example-and it's always this way-were f**ked.-just the way it is.
It's history-we follow demigoges (I can't spell that word-I dont feel too bad-Skull cant hardly spell anything)-because we are too stupid to make choices for ourselves-so we follow folks with a good line of s**t-be it good or bad.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 21, 2016, 10:41:53 AM

But the masses started Communism. And Facism. Folks like Stalin and Hitler and Mussolini got where the were buy popular support. The masses are idiots.
So-actually-by history's  example-and it's always this way-were f**ked.-just the way it is.



All elections are popularity contests, and it's a constant tug-of-war between factions.  One could make the exact same arguments regarding the election of any "good" President in history.

Fun Fact: Roughly half of the eligible population bothers to vote at all.  We hear this as "voter turn-out."  Bill Clinton, for example, was elected President of the United States without a true plurality; only about 55% of the eligible population voted at all and less than 50% voted for him.

(see: http://www.fec.gov/pages/rat92.htm (http://www.fec.gov/pages/rat92.htm))

If we think about the math here just for a second, that means Clinton was elected in 1992 by the will of about 25% of the eligible voting population.  That's pretty much true for ALL Presidential elections, at least post WW-II.  Even Reagan's "popularity" is supported by only 52-53% total eligible voter turn-out in 1980 and 1984.

The fact that Trump is "popular" among likely voters is hardly comparable to the populist rises to power of totalitarian regimes of the early 20th Century.  The mechanism of Stalin's and Hitler's "popularity" is simply very, very different.

Trump ain't Stalin or Hitler, and any claims that he would be are farcical and vapid.  The power of the President in this country is limited, and it is so on purpose.  Douglas Adams perhaps outlined this concept in the clearest way...the position of President is not to wield power but deflect attention from it.

Unless Trump were to somehow completely gut the Constitution and grab ALL power from Congress, he will mostly likely be little more than "hot air" just like every one of the last 10-15 Presidents have been.  Even Obama has been severely limited even though his administration THREATENED to usurp unconstitutional powers (in the form of Executive Orders elevated to 'laws' or some such) numerous times.  He has actually formally accomplished little that he has tried to do.  His social and cultural influences have been much greater.

And, again, this is the true value of our Constitutional system, and it is by design.  They, both President and Congress, are not really SUPPOSED to be able to do much.  The less they "do" the better we all are.

Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, has already demonstrated (numerous times) that she does not care about the laws of our nation or the procedures of our government.  Shoot, she was trying to push through legislation when she did not even hold an elected office ("Hillary-Care").  Her history on this goes way, way back and it is just possible that she would be the actual danger exemplified those totalitarian regimes you mentioned.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 21, 2016, 10:46:30 AM
All I know is that I have never felt fear, loathing, and visceral disgust for a candidate like I do for Donald Trump.
Hillary?  Just another liberal pol in a country that elects them every other time.
But Trump?  A nasty, thuggish bully who could easily start World War 3. 

Seriously, can we have a do-over on this one?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 21, 2016, 10:51:12 AM
I am not saying that Hitler or Stalin were voted in-actually Hitler was-by hook and crook-but he-and Stalin-were immensly popular-by appealing to the masses-and that is what Trump does. I dont think Trump has to cheat to win-he will-on the power of white America's fears that they are losing control.
It's called Nationalism-to the point of being Fascist.
He WILL win-fair and square-but dam if itr aint a sad day in American history if he does.
What have we sunk to when we go from Lincoln and Roosevelt-to this. Some bigmouth racist.
The popular vote-Ulthar? Yup-thats the American way.
I dont give a f**k.
That was the German way.
Deluded by a power hungry meglomaniac-just because its popular-dont mean it's right.
Heroin is popular too.
Makes ya feel good-for a while.-Is it good for you? NO. Fer a minute it is. In the long run-hell no.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 21, 2016, 01:13:51 PM

It's called Nationalism-to the point of being Fascist.


Where do you get the idea that Trump's popularity is stemming from either Nationalism OR Fascism?

Do you have any actual evidence to support that assertion, or is it just a game of throwing out emotionally loaded terms? 

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He WILL win-fair and square-but dam if itr aint a sad day in American history if he does.


Well, that remains to be seen.  I hear a LOT of general, vague doom predictions regarding Trump, but little actual of actual substance.  What specifically do you think he will do that will be so "sad" for America?  What specific thing(s) do you think he will do that will make things worse than they are right now?

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What have we sunk to when we go from Lincoln and Roosevelt-to this. Some bigmouth racist.


Well, if those are your standards for "highs" in US, we really would not have all that far to fall, eh?  Lincoln chose to launch the nation to the Civil War when he COULD have chosen to go along with secession and Roosevelt...I'm assuming you mean FDR?  If so, I have two words: Welfare State.  FDR's legacy to this nation is an abomination.

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The popular vote-Ulthar? Yup-thats the American way.
I dont give a f**k.
That was the German way.
Deluded by a power hungry meglomaniac-just because its popular-dont mean it's right.


You keep throwing out these terms but I don't think you really mean what you are saying OR understand history.  That you keep mentioning Germany is interesting.

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Heroin is popular too.


So what.  Your comments are full of straw men colorfully stated but straw men nonetheless.

Our choices this election are:

Clinton
Trump
A Few off-party candidates
Don't Vote

That's it.  Hitler is not on the ballet, and neither is heroin.  This is not 1932 Germany.

Donald Trump, like him or hate him, has done nothing to corrupt our system of representative government.  He sought the nomination, won a bunch of votes in his chosen party's primary and looks to be the nomination.  Arguments of "populism" apply equally to Hillary and every other single candidate for ANY office that has ever run, since he has done nothing different than any of them.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 21, 2016, 01:35:20 PM
"Well, if those are your standards for "highs" in US, we really would not have all that far to fall, eh?  Lincoln chose to launch the nation to the Civil War when he COULD have chosen to go along with secession and Roosevelt...I'm assuming you mean FDR?  If so, I have two words: Welfare State.  FDR's legacy to this nation is an abomination."

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Ulthar-I thought you had half a brain.

That is one of the most insane things I have ever heard in my life.
Are you serious? We should have let the South continue to exploit human beings? Really?
If you really think this-all your arguments are invalid. I wont take them serious.  And just let this country slide into the Great Depression-I thought you were intelligent-yer a tool. I got more moral fortitude in my dick then you have in yer whole body.
 :lookingup:
So we shouldnt have fought for FREEDOM for blacks? What the hell?
We should have let the country break up?
WTF?
Freedom.Freedom! THAT is what America is about! Not yer secular bulls**t.
Freedom for ALL AMERICANS.
If it wasnt for FDR's policys during the great Depression-we would have gone under. Do You know ANYTHING about history that doesnt fit yer narrow point of view?
If ya wanna argue history of the 30;s and 40;s-ya hit the wrong guy.
I actually KNOW what I'm talking about. Just cuz you spit numbers-HA! Dont scare me.
Your arguments are self patronizing,insane,and racist .
BAM!
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah192/mydoginky/Vincent-Laughing-vincent-price-7550519-150-150_zpsbqflfkps.gif) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/mydoginky/media/Vincent-Laughing-vincent-price-7550519-150-150_zpsbqflfkps.gif.html)




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 21, 2016, 03:57:10 PM
When I started this thread-I was just being silly. Now I'm just being a mean a***ole.

I'm sorry. :bluesad:

I really hate how this has polarized US-bad movie fans.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 21, 2016, 05:59:35 PM
When I started this thread-I was just being silly. Now I'm just being a mean a***ole.

I'm sorry. :bluesad:

I like you and I wish you took the time out and listen.


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I really hate how this has polarized US-bad movie fans.

I get it that you hate Trump... I just wished you stopped calling him Hitler. Hitler was a sociopath. He rose into power because Germany was looking for a way out from the Great Depression.

As for FDR - sorry but he wasn't that good. FDR was a racist. He nominated a judge that was in the KKK because the guy was in the KKK. His policies prolonged the Great Depression - which the Great Depression lasted until after world war 2. He did nothing for the Anti-lynching legislation.

And to show how racist FDR was:

After the 1936 Berlin Olympics, only the white athletes were invited to see and meet Roosevelt. No such invitation was made to the African American athletes such as Jesse Owens, who had won four gold medals. A widely believed myth about the 1936 games was that Hitler had snubbed Owens, something that never happened. Owens said, "Hitler didn't snub me--it was [Roosevelt] who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram."


 :buggedout:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 21, 2016, 07:24:08 PM
When I started this thread-I was just being silly. Now I'm just being a mean a***ole.

I'm sorry. :bluesad:

I really hate how this has polarized US-bad movie fans.
This thread is harmless, though I will say you are a loose cannon.  We're not polarized; Ulthar often disagrees, always has... with anybody with whom he finds flaws in their arguments or statements.  Don't sweat Skull.  Harmless. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 21, 2016, 08:24:50 PM
I think that, by the standards of the 21st Century, EVERY white man that lived before 1950 was racist.
Ulthar and I have much in agreement and much on which we disagree; Lincoln is one example and FDR is another! 

But that's OK, we can blow off steam here and let our real opinions hang out and tomorrow we will still be able to debate the merits of Ed Wood versus the Polonia Brothers and all will be well.

A lot of places, that would not be possible.

Of course, a lot of places they wouldn't know who the Polonia Brothers were.

Lucky sods!   :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 21, 2016, 08:53:23 PM
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But Trump?  A nasty, thuggish bully who could easily start World War 3.  

Trump is too hawkish says the guy who wants to nuke Iran. Now I've heard everything

btw Hillary was for Iraq, for invading Libya which has turned into a terrorist hellhole and she pretty much wants to do the same thing to Syria while trump wanted nothing to do with any of these situations. Who's really more dangerous on the ...WORLD STAGE?



"barrumpumpumpaaaaaahh...! welcome to my stage I'm Sam WORLD "


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 21, 2016, 10:24:32 PM
I think that, by the standards of the 21st Century, EVERY white man that lived before 1950 was racist.


wow you really think that?

I know the KKK reached a height of popularity in the 1920's to the point where they walk to Washington and could control the White House. But I also know that afterwards that the KKK was slowly disliked to the point that by the 1950's the KKK became an underground cult.


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The second Klan was a formal fraternal organization, with a national and state structure. At its peak in the mid-1920s, the organization claimed to include about 15% of the nation's eligible population, approximately 4–5 million men. Internal divisions, criminal behavior by leaders, and external opposition brought about a collapse in membership, which had dropped to about 30,000 by 1930. It finally faded away in the 1940s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan




Not EVERY white man before the 1950's was racist, if that WAS TRUE then the Democrat Party would had become the KKK party way-way before the 1950's. They would had became the KKK party in the 1920's... The only reason that stopped the Democrat party from becoming the KKK party was the quick decline of the KKK popularity.

I also remembering reading a life story of the Stooges and I recall how Moe hated segregated towns.

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But Trump?  A nasty, thuggish bully who could easily start World War 3.  

Trump is too hawkish says the guy who wants to nuke Iran. Now I've heard everything

btw Hillary was for Iraq, for invading Libya which has turned into a terrorist hellhole and she pretty much wants to do the same thing to Syria while trump wanted nothing to do with any of these situations. Who's really more dangerous on the ...WORLD STAGE?



"barrumpumpumpaaaaaahh...! welcome to my stage I'm Sam WORLD "

I love the way how Trump will start world war 3, which was said when Reagan was running for president...

even though it was Obama and Hillary incompetence that caused this whole mess in the middle east.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on June 22, 2016, 07:18:20 AM
 :teddyr: :teddyr:

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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 22, 2016, 09:14:53 AM
That was a bit of hyperbole, Skull, but the point is we have come a VERY long way on race since the 1930's.
FDR was considered progressive on race for his day, time, and political party, but he was still dependent on the Dixiecrats and therefore very limited in what he could do publicly.  Southern segregationists controlled the Democratic party right up into the 1960's, but for the first half of the 20th century, many Republicans weren't that much better.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 22, 2016, 10:46:04 AM
Even if you despise Trump his speech this morning was pretty good because it was all about Hillary and he took her apart in the grand manner. It's what Sanders should have done


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 22, 2016, 11:19:45 AM
That was a bit of hyperbole, Skull, but the point is we have come a VERY long way on race since the 1930's.
FDR was considered progressive on race for his day, time, and political party, but he was still dependent on the Dixiecrats and therefore very limited in what he could do publicly.  Southern segregationists controlled the Democratic party right up into the 1960's, but for the first half of the 20th century, many Republicans weren't that much better.

The math says 4-5 million members in the 1920's... in the 1950's the KKK was underground. Therefore not everybody was a racist. The math proves it because there was a MASSIVE DECLINE with the KKK.

The reason why it took so damn long for the south to end segregation was - POWER.


I'm so damn tired of this passing the racism ball. It's a sick attempt in rewriting history. The fact is, the American people didn't want racism, if they did the KKK would be growing in popularity instead of declining in popularity. Again the math don't lie.

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History:

The Dyer Anti-Lynching Bill, introduced by Representative Leonidas C. Dyer, a Republican from St. Louis, Missouri, in the United States House of Representatives in 1918, was directed at punishing lynchings and mob violence. The Dyer Anti-Lynching Bill was passed by the U.S. House of Representatives on January 26, 1922 but its passage was halted by a Southern Democratic filibuster in the U.S. Senate.

Attempts to propose similar legislation took a halt until the 1930s with the Costigan-Wagner Bill. Subsequent bills followed but the United States Congress never outlawed lynching due to Southern Democratic opposition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyer_Anti-Lynching_Bill


Seriously... the Democrat party should be banned like the Confederate Battle Flag. (How can anybody assume Americans were for the KKK if they were trying to pass an Anti-Lynching Bill)


Sorry I see no evidence that every white man in the 1950's was a racist!






Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on June 22, 2016, 11:32:30 AM
Skull, I don't think Indy was saying every white man back then was racist, I think his comment had more to do with the prevailing attitudes of today being so intolerant that by certain standards everyone born before the time those recent attitudes were imposed on society comes off as failing to measure up, and therefore is judged racist in hindsight.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 22, 2016, 11:56:40 AM
Skull, I don't think Indy was saying every white man back then was racist, I think his comment had more to do with the prevailing attitudes of today being so intolerant that by certain standards everyone born before the time those recent attitudes were imposed on society comes off as failing to measure up, and therefore is judged racist in hindsight.

No his attempt was to make it like FDR's racism was a norm and it's not.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on June 22, 2016, 01:11:37 PM
This thread turned way too ugly for me. I no have the email notification for a new reply in it.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 22, 2016, 11:10:12 PM
FDR's racism was far more normal and acceptable in his day than it would have been today.  Again, I didn't say every white man before the 1950's WAS a racist.  I said by the overly sensitive standards of today, every white man before 1950 would SEEM racist.  It was a reference to changing cultural standards on what racism actually was.

Incidentally, the Klan's official membership topped out at around 750,000 in 1926.  The next year the National Grand Dragon or whatever their silly title for their President was, along with his assistant Exalted Wizard, drugged and sexually assaulted a young girl repeatedly during a cross-country train ride.  The story made the national news, and that, along with news that the two had embezzled hundreds of thousands of dollars in Klan membership dues, caused the organization to crash and burn more so than any massive national change in racial attitudes.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 23, 2016, 06:27:13 AM
FDR's racism was far more normal and acceptable in his day than it would have been today.  Again, I didn't say every white man before the 1950's WAS a racist.  I said by the overly sensitive standards of today, every white man before 1950 would SEEM racist.  It was a reference to changing cultural standards on what racism actually was.

If you said in the 1930's it would make sense. After world war 2 racism was dropping off. People were not asking government to make segregation they were asking government to end it. A lot of fighting men/women during WW2 saw the damage of racism at first hand.  The only reason why segregation existed so long was because democrats in power didn't want to give up that power.


The sensitive standards is pushed just like segregation was pushed.  The problem is that black leaders like Louis Farrakhan pushes the race issue so he can gain money/power. And if there is no racism than Farrakhan would be out of a job. (Oddly a lot of White Americans did voted for Obama because they assumed his election would end the race issue - I know this because I had a few family members that voted for him for that reason).

**I don't know about you but I'm tired of being assumed as a master race/racist/slave owner - even though I was born in 1970! And I know I'm not alone with this feeling.**


The Shooting of Michael Brown is a perfect example on how the sensitive standards are being rammed down our throats. It's been proven that the police officer was protecting himself and his weapon. There was no 'hand's up don't shoot' yet you got every so called black leader (including Obama) saying this shooting was a racist act.


Sorry but I do feel offended by this because I know those black leaders and Obama not only destroyed a policeman's life but put many other police officers at risk... why? because they were pushing a dead horse. Because they want racism.

As for FDR - he was a racist a***ole. The problem is that the democrats love FDR, especially how he obtained power, but they also need to cover up FDR's racism by telling others - oh, it was common because white people were naturally racist. No No No. It's not common even in the 1930's, not every state was racist. I believe if FDR came out supporting the KKK that he would NOT had won 4 elections.

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Incidentally, the Klan's official membership topped out at around 750,000 in 1926.  The next year the National Grand Dragon or whatever their silly title for their President was, along with his assistant Exalted Wizard, drugged and sexually assaulted a young girl repeatedly during a cross-country train ride.  The story made the national news, and that, along with news that the two had embezzled hundreds of thousands of dollars in Klan membership dues, caused the organization to crash and burn more so than any massive national change in racial attitudes.

I think this is what the KKK wants everybody to believe. Yeah, I heard the story too... but it seemed like a convenient answer. Such as: "White Americans are racist they only stopped going to the KKK because the organization was corrupt and mishandled." The Dyer Anti-Lynching Bill of 1918 seemed to suggest there was a wave of people protesting against the KKK before the 1920's.

People didn't wake-up one day and said 'Today we are going to pass a prohibition law.' This took years. So I would believe there was an anti-KKK movement back as early as 1910.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 23, 2016, 11:02:51 PM
There were ways those opposed to the Klan, no doubt.
It has gone through many different phases since its storied existence started in 1866.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on June 24, 2016, 03:38:59 AM
 :wink: :wink:

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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 24, 2016, 05:40:13 AM
There were ways those opposed to the Klan, no doubt.
It has gone through many different phases since its storied existence started in 1866.

I think the KKK believed it had 3 or 4 phases. (But it seemed like every time they grow in popularity they dwindling very quickly - so I do question the phases.)


I really believe this racist America story is something that has been rewritten over decades and decades and decades; to the point that we are left to assume that White Americans were racist and the civil rights was the first attempt to fix it.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 24, 2016, 06:46:27 AM
One reason that it is always good to go back and check the primary sources . . . read the editorials from local papers, statements from political leaders as well as local politicians.  I'm a tenth generation Southerner and a sixth generation Texan; things were BAD down here for blacks - straight through from the 1860's to the 1940's.  It was BAD.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 24, 2016, 09:39:29 AM
One reason that it is always good to go back and check the primary sources . . . read the editorials from local papers, statements from political leaders as well as local politicians.  


I do... :)

When somebody comes up with 'Jim Crow' I'm reading why it was, who pushed it and why it stayed. And if a black voter took the time out and read some of this stuff they should hate the democratic party.

I feel like in the scene of the Time Machine (1960) and you talk to the black voters and they are like the Eloi's. They know nothing about nothing but they are happy for all this free food.

This is evil.


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I'm a tenth generation Southerner and a sixth generation Texan; things were BAD down here for blacks - straight through from the 1860's to the 1940's.  It was BAD.

Texas is not the whole USA...

Sam Houston the governor of Texas in the 1860's didn't want Texas to join the Confederacy.

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Houston rejected the actions of the Texas Secession Convention, believing it had overstepped its authority in becoming a member state of the newly formed Confederacy. He refused to take an oath of allegiance to the Confederacy and was deposed from office.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_in_the_American_Civil_War#Sam_Houston


Not everybody from the south was with the Confederacy... I wonder what would had happen if Sam Houston was able to deliver his speech...

As for racism in the south...

Most of the anti-black feelings from the south was based on how devastated the southern people were after the civil war. Southern Fathers and Son's were dead or lost limbs that made it impossible for them to go back to work. The rich became poor over night. And property was destroyed. Yeah it would make sense in the south; especially after the civil war and a generation or two... but in the north or White Americans...

Segregation was a power grab. It came out as a patch to repair the ill feelings. Blacks stay on one side of the street while whites stay on the other side of the street and nobody gets hurt. But then it was used as a tool to give superiority to... the poor whites. "Yeah, I'm a poor white guy but I'm better then this black man." but most importantly and the reason why the democrats didn't want to end segregation... because they can control the VOTE.

The reason behind the KKK and Segregation was to control the VOTE!

Today we see segregation as a tool for racism propaganda... "Look at those white Americans - racism is in there BLOOD!"


This is why I get so damn angry when people call TRUMP a racist or Hitler; meanwhile Hillary starts off with her rant about Jim Crow...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 24, 2016, 10:06:24 AM
Oh bah-ru-uh-ther.   :lookingup: 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 24, 2016, 01:48:53 PM
Skull-the reasons-and the roots-of ISIS go Waaay back-blaming it on Obama is childish.Gimmie a break. Terrorism has been with us-a long time-yer blaming this on Obama-yer world view of things is narrow and predjudice by your political views. Do yer homework. If ya want-I will spell out the history of ISIS . I really can-If ya wanna make me make you look like a fool.
I dont think Obama is all that-I think we should not only carpet bomb them-I do believe we should put troops on the ground and kill them all.
I AM NOT a LIBERAL.
I am an AMERICAN.

I aint gonna argue about FDR's stand on race-Indiana is right-watch a f**king Bugs Bunny cartoon from that era-yeah-whites were pretty racist.
I aint talking about 1942. Im talking NOW!
Clinton-that dumb b***h couldnt find her ass with both hands-shes riding on the coattails of her hillbilly husband.
Trump-
look at his history-
he f**ked over all his backers with bankruptsy in the 80's-and collected-he never made money-he inherieted-and f**ked folks over-hes a millionare scam artist with a big mouth.
Do you really  think he's gonna work for YOU?
He's a CON-Trump is out for TRUMP.

WAKE UP!
The reason we won WW2 is we didnt p***yfooot-I dont think we should p***yfoot now-I I think we should WW2 on there asses-and Im a liberal.
Gee-Nah-I aint a p***yfoot liberal.
Im A f**kIN RADICAL.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 24, 2016, 02:42:01 PM
BUT! I dont think that we should judge all American Muslims and throw them into camps like we did in WW2 with the Japanese. THATS racist-because lotsa American Japanese did heroic s**t.
And Not all American Muslims are terrorists. Ya gotta be careful
Because-we ARE supposded to be the good guys.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 24, 2016, 03:03:15 PM
Was FDR a racist? I dunno. Race s**t wasn't a big issue while WW2 was going on. Maybe he was-I dont think he was-we were kinda busy fighting Nazis to get into the race thing. It kinda took center stage.. FDR was a racist? I dunno-I dont get it. I guess he was-he hated Japs and Krauts-are you a Kraut?
Gimme a break-your reaching.
FDR got us threw the Depression and WW2-what-are you a commie?  :tongueout:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 24, 2016, 03:13:28 PM
I aint gonna argue about FDR's stand on race-Indiana is right-watch a f**king Bugs Bunny cartoon from that era-yeah-whites were pretty racist.
I aint talking about 1942. Im talking NOW!

Why is so damn important? Because people like you and Indy do believe that the culture of America was loaded with racism. Therefore we have this looming feeling of guilt over our heads that makes us stifle our speech/thought because we have this fear of repeating history – racism.

Racism wasn’t common. If it was common then why try to pass an Anti-Lynching Bill in 1918.

Think of it… (critical thinking here)

Why would those nasty racist Americans care about a second class citizen? Why push the effort to pass an Anti-Lynching Law. Why?

Lets dig deeper… Why make The Fourteenth Amendment? (because government was looking for an anchor baby law… NO) Why in 1868?

I tell you why because MOST OF THE AMERICANS WERE NOT RACIST! The intent of the 14th amendment was make sure the ex-slaves were citizens.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on June 24, 2016, 03:18:02 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 24, 2016, 03:28:42 PM
I aint gonna argue about FDR's stand on race-Indiana is right-watch a f**king Bugs Bunny cartoon from that era-yeah-whites were pretty racist.
I aint talking about 1942. Im talking NOW!

Why is so damn important? Because people like you and Indy do believe that the culture of America was loaded with racism. Therefore we have this looming feeling of guilt over our heads that makes us stifle our speech/thought because we have this fear of repeating history – racism.

Racism wasn’t common. If it was common then why try to pass an Anti-Lynching Bill in 1918.

Think of it… (critical thinking here)

Why would those nasty racist Americans care about a second class citizen? Why push the effort to pass an Anti-Lynching Law. Why?

Lets dig deeper… Why make The Fourteenth Amendment? (because government was looking for an anchor baby law… NO) Why in 1868?

I tell you why because MOST OF THE AMERICANS WERE NOT RACIST! The intent of the 14th amendment was make sure the ex-slaves were citizens.

Gee massa!
Yes-Racism WAS common and accepted-was it right NO! But the idea of tarbaby watermelon n****rs was kinda goin on.-was it right? NO Do I think FDR was some kinda advocate for blacks? NO! But  I DO think that his social service implemations HELPED-and It not only welfare-which did get out of hand-helped ALL.
Not just 'n****rs"-who needed it the most-because they really got the short end of the stick. Because of RACISM. I agree it was abused in later years-but it was needed at first-blacks were f**ked. Is it true now? I dunno-I know my wife is black-and I know half her kin is my kin-soI know I been in jail more than them
It aint skin color-its about ffiance-I was poor-i did bad things.
Be poor-try to live-the only reason ther is more crime among blacks is because they are POOR and live in s**tholes-move yerself in a s**thole-and live.They are in s**tholes because they were our n****rs.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 24, 2016, 03:44:19 PM
I aint gonna argue about FDR's stand on race-Indiana is right-watch a f**king Bugs Bunny cartoon from that era-yeah-whites were pretty racist.
I aint talking about 1942. Im talking NOW!

Why is so damn important? Because people like you and Indy do believe that the culture of America was loaded with racism. Therefore we have this looming feeling of guilt over our heads that makes us stifle our speech/thought because we have this fear of repeating history – racism.

Racism wasn’t common. If it was common then why try to pass an Anti-Lynching Bill in 1918.

Think of it… (critical thinking here)



Why would those nasty racist Americans care about a second class citizen? Why push the effort to pass an Anti-Lynching Law. Why?

Lets dig deeper… Why make The Fourteenth Amendment? (because government was looking for an anchor baby law… NO) Why in 1868?

I tell you why because MOST OF THE AMERICANS WERE NOT RACIST! The intent of the 14th amendment was make sure the ex-slaves were citizens.


Gee-how many black folks do you know? Are freinds with? Do you know ANY?
Do you know any Mexicans? Are they your freinds?
Tell me yer freinds?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 24, 2016, 03:53:43 PM
RCMerchant... I've said enough about this... one day you'll get it... maybe... I hope...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 24, 2016, 07:07:36 PM
More "critical thinking".   :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 24, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
know my wife is black-and I know half her kin is my kin-soI know I been in jail more than them

Did you get married without telling us, RC? Or do you mean common law wife?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 24, 2016, 08:15:41 PM
Yeah-I do mean. I aint never been "married" by law my whole life.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 24, 2016, 09:22:09 PM
Skull, you are really setting up one straw man argument after another.

First of all, I never said or implied that ALL Americans born before 1950 were card carrying Klansmen or Jim Crow segregationists.  What I said - and I thought I was clear - was that, by the hypersensitive standards of today, virtually every white man who lived before 1950 would be considered a racist.

That being said, racism was alive and well in North and South and was far more pervasive than you seem to realize.
In the South, it was out front, obvious, and lethal.  In my Dad's home town, in 1926, a black boy shot the white teen who had raped his 12 year old sister.  In retaliation, the town's whites didn't just lynch the young black man - they lynched his brother and three of their friends.  Not one person was ever punished for that atrocity, or for most lynchings in the South at that time - but here's the SICK part - they made postcards of those 5 boys, all hanging from one massive oak tree, and you could buy those cards at the local drug store all the way up until the early 1960's!  Yes, the South was ROTTEN with racism in the first half of the 20th century.  Black World War 2 veterans were lynched - some of them still in uniform - when they returned from the battlefield and tried to register to vote!

In the North, racism was present, even prevalent, but more subtle and less violent.  Yes, some Republican congressmen in the North did put forward anti-lynching bills - but I wonder how many of those selfsame lawmakers would have wanted a black family to move in next door?  or would allow their daughter to date  a black man?  Maybe a few, maybe not!

The long and short of this is:  We have come a LONG way in America on the issue of race.  Many of those who gripe the most loudly about how racist our country is have never experienced REAL racism in their entire lives.  But at the same time, it's still here, and it's still real. And it's not just whites against blacks.  Believe me, there are many blacks alive today who hate whites with the same intensity that their ancestors were hated by Klansmen.  It's all ugly, and it's all bad.  I'm tired of the polarization, and Trump's rhetoric, although it very carefully avoids overtly racist words and phrases, is still very much fostering an "us vs. them" mentality that will do very little to advance our country.

That's it, I'm done, parse that any way you want!

And . . . . one more thing:


#smith2016


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 24, 2016, 10:38:37 PM
Skull, you are really setting up one straw man argument after another.

First of all, I never said or implied that ALL Americans born before 1950 were card carrying Klansmen or Jim Crow segregationists.  What I said - and I thought I was clear - was that, by the hypersensitive standards of today, virtually every white man who lived before 1950 would be considered a racist.


Maybe I'm wording it wrong... I'm saying the hypersensitive standards is the new segregation.

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In the North, racism was present, even prevalent, but more subtle and less violent.  Yes, some Republican congressmen in the North did put forward anti-lynching bills - but I wonder how many of those selfsame lawmakers would have wanted a black family to move in next door?  or would allow their daughter to date  a black man?  Maybe a few, maybe not!

And I'm the one making strawmen... Sorry but you just contradicted yourself by 'implying that all Americans are racist'. Maybe it's because your from Texas. I'm from Chicago I see mix couples all the time.



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I'm tired of the polarization, and Trump's rhetoric, although it very carefully avoids overtly racist words and phrases, is still very much fostering an "us vs. them" mentality that will do very little to advance our country.

It is us vs them - but - the THEM is those in power. The TEA Party told the Republicans they are voting them in office to end Obama Care and to stop the Illegal Aliens. The Republicans didn't do a damn thing and now we are looking at TRUMP.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 24, 2016, 11:19:20 PM
To say that the GOP Congress did nothing - that's an inaccurate assessment.  It's very hard to overturn policies of a sitting President when you do not have 60 votes in the Senate, unless you are prepared to shut the government down once a month!  They did what they realistically could, and achieved some noted successes despite a complete lack of cooperation from the White House.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 25, 2016, 05:23:13 AM
To say that the GOP Congress did nothing - that's an inaccurate assessment.  It's very hard to overturn policies of a sitting President when you do not have 60 votes in the Senate, unless you are prepared to shut the government down once a month!  They did what they realistically could, and achieved some noted successes despite a complete lack of cooperation from the White House.


Boy you don't get it...

The object was to make the president veto and have him explain why.


Why do you think Ted Cruz had a fighting chance against Trump - Because he did shut the government down. If Ted Cruz was smart and stole Trump's thunder early in the race we'll be looking at Ted Cruz as the nominee. But because Ted Cruz focused his voice to the 6 million voters that didn't showed up for Romney - he lost.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 25, 2016, 10:14:17 AM
 :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 25, 2016, 11:01:06 AM
:lookingup:

I should be talking about England leaving the EU...  :twirl:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 25, 2016, 03:05:44 PM
 :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 25, 2016, 03:23:49 PM
Yeah-I do mean. I aint never been "married" by law my whole life.

I am glad I didn't miss your ceremony, I would travel far to attend your bachelor party.  :drink: :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on June 26, 2016, 09:15:26 AM

They did what they realistically could,


Bullsqueeze.  All the R's do is capitulate, and people across the country...folks that have been a silenced majority for a LONG time...are sick of it.  They want representative leadership with the gonads to fight back against cancerous ideals in our government.

The R's have controlled the House for years and thus control every single dime spent by the Federal Government.  They could GUT the entire bureaucracy if they wanted to and had the intestinal fortitude to do it...including Obamacare.

Getting rid of Obamacare was what the current wave of "conservative majority" legislators were elected to accomplish, and they have done jack squat on that or any other issue.

So, a good number of people are holding their ("Conservatives") feet to the fire rather than making weak Washingtonian-esque excuses for them.

You dislike Trump's rise to power / popularity?  Look no farther than the failure of the Republican Party to act like something different than the Democrat Party for the last 30 years.  The Tea Part and Trump Train have not risen from the ashes because people were happy with their representation in government.

I can say that as a voter that voted for Lindsey Graham when he first ran for the Senate.  I see my mistake now, and REGRET that vote (though at the time the alternative was at least as bad or far worse). I'll use him as a Good Example(tm) to show the total failure of the R's in both houses to live up to the "conservative promise" they ran, and got elected on.  Graham is an abomination and should just change his party affiliation to "sell out."

And, he ain't the only one.

Whatever one thinks of Trump's rhetoric or policy goals, he's running on a platform based on "Change."  Obama did this in 2008 and everyone thought it was awesome.  Trump does it implicitly and everyone thinks he's the Devil Incarnate.

I find that dichotomy very interesting.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 26, 2016, 12:03:50 PM
(http://cdn.concreteplayground.com/content/uploads/2015/02/decension.gif) 

...
Whatever one thinks of Trump's rhetoric or policy goals, he's running on a platform based on "Change."  Obama did this in 2008 and everyone thought it was awesome.  Trump does it implicitly and everyone thinks he's the Devil Incarnate.

I find that dichotomy very interesting.

The two men are not comparable.  Trump isn't liked by many because his remarks can be interpreted as racist, sexist, self-absorbed, or paranoid.   OBAMA may be a huge disappointment, but, he has uttered nothing I've heard that could be described by any of those terms. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on June 26, 2016, 08:40:42 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 26, 2016, 11:40:21 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 27, 2016, 12:22:40 AM
Ulthar, Skull, with all due respect - if the GOP in Congress did what you suggest it should have done, it would play out like this:

The House shuts down the government demanding X (the repeal of Obamacare, an end to illegal immigration, repeal of gun restrictions, a Federal ban on deficit spending, for the President to admit that he is secretly a gay Muslim communist jihadist, whatever else their little tea party hearts desire).  And then -

The President blames the Republicans for shutting down the government.
The Democratic legislators blame the Republicans for shutting down the government.
The media blames Republicans for shutting down the government.
Hollywood blames the Republicans for shutting down the government.

Then, after a week or so, the typical American voter turns from reality TV to the news and hears about a government shut down.  He says: "What, Yellowstone is closed?  I can't take my kids to the Smithsonian?  Stupid Republican bastards!"

And the GOP gets swept out of office, Democrats reclaim both houses, and the march of socialism goes on.

What you and Skull and so many arch-conservatives want is for the GOP to adopt a policy of ultimate political suicide that will push the leftist agenda even faster than it is currently moving.  That's why so many candidates, after promising to kill Obamacare, amnesty, etc. etc. etc., and REALLY meaning it when they say it, get to Washington and learn how the real world works, and SHIFT POLICY, winning small victories when they can get them and trying to back candidates who have a realistic chance of winning, until  such a time as we can get a Republican President and Congress back in office and effect some real change.

That's how we got the deficit reduced by half a trillion dollars in the last six years, and it's how we got the 40 year ban on U.S. oil exports lifted, and a dozen other small, incremental victories that were ignored by angry conservative masses because OBAMA'S STILL PRESIDENT! OBAMACARE IS STILL LEGAL!  THERE IS STILL ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!

Politics, in the end, is the art of the POSSIBLE.  Not the realm of make-believe.  This country is never going to return to a pre-1930's, unregulated, laissez-faire capitalist system, and we're never going to go back to the day when the government didn't have some form of social welfare.  So people need to quit with the pipe dreams and focus on realistic, obtainable goals.

Or witness the final death of American conservatism, at the hands of its most diehard proponents.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on June 27, 2016, 03:12:44 AM
Yeah-I do mean. I aint never been "married" by law my whole life.

I am glad I didn't miss your ceremony, I would travel far to attend your bachelor party.  :drink: :cheers:

Same here: that would have been one heck of a party.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 27, 2016, 10:03:25 AM
Ulthar, Skull, with all due respect - if the GOP in Congress did what you suggest it should have done, it would play out like this:

The House shuts down the government demanding X (the repeal of Obamacare, an end to illegal immigration, repeal of gun restrictions, a Federal ban on deficit spending, for the President to admit that he is secretly a gay Muslim communist jihadist, whatever else their little tea party hearts desire).  And then -

The President blames the Republicans for shutting down the government.
The Democratic legislators blame the Republicans for shutting down the government.
The media blames Republicans for shutting down the government.
Hollywood blames the Republicans for shutting down the government.

Then, after a week or so, the typical American voter turns from reality TV to the news and hears about a government shut down.  He says: "What, Yellowstone is closed?  I can't take my kids to the Smithsonian?  Stupid Republican bastards!"

And the GOP gets swept out of office, Democrats reclaim both houses, and the march of socialism goes on.


I’m getting confused here… I thought you're a Ted Cruz supporter? As a Ted Cruz supporter you should know that he did shut down the government for 16 days. The reason why Ted Cruz had a fighting chance against Trump because he did shut the government down. So please can you explain your position on Ted Cruz and then explain to me why you believe this *junk* you posted.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: flackbait on June 27, 2016, 09:47:01 PM
Ulthar, Skull, with all due respect - if the GOP in Congress did what you suggest it should have done, it would play out like this:

The House shuts down the government demanding X (the repeal of Obamacare, an end to illegal immigration, repeal of gun restrictions, a Federal ban on deficit spending, for the President to admit that he is secretly a gay Muslim communist jihadist, whatever else their little tea party hearts desire).  And then -

The President blames the Republicans for shutting down the government.
The Democratic legislators blame the Republicans for shutting down the government.
The media blames Republicans for shutting down the government.
Hollywood blames the Republicans for shutting down the government.

Then, after a week or so, the typical American voter turns from reality TV to the news and hears about a government shut down.  He says: "What, Yellowstone is closed?  I can't take my kids to the Smithsonian?  Stupid Republican bastards!"

And the GOP gets swept out of office, Democrats reclaim both houses, and the march of socialism goes on.


I’m getting confused here… I thought you're a Ted Cruz supporter? As a Ted Cruz supporter you should know that he did shut down the government for 16 days. The reason why Ted Cruz had a fighting chance against Trump because he did shut the government down. So please can you explain your position on Ted Cruz and then explain to me why you believe this *junk* you posted.
Okay I'm not Indy but I think I get what hes saying here. If the Republicans in the legislature have the federal government shutdown (or even threaten it) every time they disagree with Obama nothing would get done and the Republicans appear to be gumming up the works just cause they won't get their way. So the average American would in turn blame the GOP and vote them out of office next election.  Just by common sense government shutdowns are a last resort tactic and cannot be used to often. It weakens what little confidence we have in our national government and could weaken our economy if we have enough shutdowns. I don't think Indy being a Ted Cruz supporter has to do with the point he was trying to make at all.

Skull I do have a question for you though: In in earlier post you said most Americans were not racist right after the civil war, got any sources for that beyond the 14th amendment? I hope you don't think I'm calling you out. Its just that I'm a history buff and I've never really studied the post antebellum period as much as I should. So any new sources would be interesting to read.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 27, 2016, 11:20:58 PM
I was a Rubio guy from the get-go.  I still hope that he will run again some day - he is a pragmatic conservative whom I agree with on most issues.

I've never liked Cruz that much, but I would have taken him over Trump - that's why I supported him when he was the last man standing..  At least he has some concept of how government works.  But I don't think his shutdowns accomplished much of worth, and I doubt they had a lot to do with his longevity in the race.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 28, 2016, 11:56:40 AM
Skull I do have a question for you though: In in earlier post you said most Americans were not racist right after the civil war, got any sources for that beyond the 14th amendment? I hope you don't think I'm calling you out. Its just that I'm a history buff and I've never really studied the post antebellum period as much as I should. So any new sources would be interesting to read.

We assume that what was written in our school history books serves as a purpose to educate young minds. It’s not. What is written in our school history books serves as a purpose to indoctrinate young minds. Please keep that in mind.

I do recommend you to find out who is Howard Zinn. I also like to suggest: Please don't just take my word – investigate on your own.

The untold truth of the Slavery and the United States Constitution. Most of the founding fathers wanted to end slavery during the draft of the Constitution, but there was opposition against it. The opposition believed that the freed slaves would not return to work. So in order to keep the 13 colonies united the founding fathers accept slavery and designed the constitution in a way that slaves will be freed in the future.  Please note that if the founding fathers didn’t compromise – the United States would never exist. ~ I'm saying this because there was always opposition against slavery.


Racism became the power to extort. For example if Indiansmith wanted to run for Governor of Texas to end segregation in his state, the KKK would tell the white farmers if they vote for Indiansmith the crops could go up in flames, shops won't sell and/or buy from them. Please keep in mind what I said about extortion and read this quote:

Quote from: Indiansmith
In my Dad's home town, in 1926, a black boy shot the white teen who had raped his 12 year old sister.  In retaliation, the town's whites didn't just lynch the young black man - they lynched his brother and three of their friends.  Not one person was ever punished for that atrocity, or for most lynchings in the South at that time - but here's the SICK part - they made postcards of those 5 boys, all hanging from one massive oak tree, and you could buy those cards at the local drug store all the way up until the early 1960's!

In the early part of the 1960's there was the civil right movement, therefore it would make sense that some shop owner would sell lynching postcards because there was a symbolic message that was aimed at supporters of the civil rights. If a few KKK members lynched a black man what would stop them from lynching a black loving white folks. Fear.



I was a Rubio guy from the get-go.  I still hope that he will run again some day - he is a pragmatic conservative whom I agree with on most issues.

I've never liked Cruz that much, but I would have taken him over Trump - that's why I supported him when he was the last man standing..  At least he has some concept of how government works.  But I don't think his shutdowns accomplished much of worth, and I doubt they had a lot to do with his longevity in the race.

Ok this makes some sense.

I do believe that Rubio is going to be Trump's VP :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 28, 2016, 04:35:47 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 28, 2016, 10:40:18 PM
I sincerely hope that Senator Rubio does the honorable thing and tells Trump to get stuffed - I think whoever serves as Trump's running mate is flushing their political future down the toilet.  The GOP going to get so badly stomped this fall that anyone associated with The Donald's campaign will be a pariah.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on June 29, 2016, 01:30:09 AM
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 :buggedout: :buggedout: +  :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 29, 2016, 07:21:26 AM
What makes me sad-I seriously think Trump may win.  :bluesad:

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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 29, 2016, 09:21:17 AM
I sincerely hope that Senator Rubio does the honorable thing and tells Trump to get stuffed - I think whoever serves as Trump's running mate is flushing their political future down the toilet.  The GOP going to get so badly stomped this fall that anyone associated with The Donald's campaign will be a pariah.

lol... Some voters think that Rubio's political future was flushed down the toilet when he came out supporting the gang of eight bill.  I've personally believe that the gang of eight was setup to destroy Rubio's political future.

Anyway, I still think Rubio would make an awesome VP for Trump because he would have 4 to 8 years to polish himself to become president.

I seriously think Trump may win.

 :cheers:



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on June 29, 2016, 09:23:58 AM
If you actually read it instead of demagoguing it, that bill was a common sense solution to a complex problem, and I wish it had become law.  Rubio was right to support it and I would have done the same in his place.

My fondest dream would be for neither Hillary NOR Trump to win.  But it's just that, a dream.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on June 29, 2016, 09:29:53 AM
Friendly reminder to vote for Pedro
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(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/2e/2e8bb25783489d7d6f423332e804af0229db9bb4e94ab2da9c2f128d43608603.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhRE0tGCEAE6F4R.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 29, 2016, 10:16:26 AM

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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 29, 2016, 10:18:53 AM
If you actually read it instead of demagoguing it, that bill was a common sense solution to a complex problem, and I wish it had become law.  Rubio was right to support it and I would have done the same in his place.

lol... the bill was a path to a Democrat Voting Block.

If every illegal alien said (and will) vote republican if they become legal citizens... The democrats will kick them out of the country faster then I can spell "Holly s**t!"





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 29, 2016, 11:20:11 AM
I think of this article sometimes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clintons-gifts-from-foreign-leaders-more-lavish-than-those-for-obama/2013/09/01/b2b721a0-1331-11e3-b182-1b3bb2eb474c_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clintons-gifts-from-foreign-leaders-more-lavish-than-those-for-obama/2013/09/01/b2b721a0-1331-11e3-b182-1b3bb2eb474c_story.html)

its about how when she was sec state foreign leaders lavished gifts on Hillary, moreso than even Obama. Some of it maybe maybe in part because she's a woman but more likely they

a. thought she was going to be president and/or
b. find her terrifying

the full list is here https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/04/26/2013-09945/office-of-the-chief-of-protocol-gifts-to-federal-employees-from-foreign-government-sources-reported#t-3 (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/04/26/2013-09945/office-of-the-chief-of-protocol-gifts-to-federal-employees-from-foreign-government-sources-reported#t-3)

some of it is stuff you'd find on a pirate ship or something. or in a museum. great golden statues with pearl inlays

biggest giver to both: Saudis


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 29, 2016, 12:22:54 PM
I think of this article sometimes

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clintons-gifts-from-foreign-leaders-more-lavish-than-those-for-obama/2013/09/01/b2b721a0-1331-11e3-b182-1b3bb2eb474c_story.html[/url] ([url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clintons-gifts-from-foreign-leaders-more-lavish-than-those-for-obama/2013/09/01/b2b721a0-1331-11e3-b182-1b3bb2eb474c_story.html[/url])

its about how when she was sec state foreign leaders lavished gifts on Hillary, moreso than even Obama. Some of it maybe maybe in part because she's a woman but more likely they

a. thought she was going to be president and/or
b. find her terrifying

the full list is here [url]https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/04/26/2013-09945/office-of-the-chief-of-protocol-gifts-to-federal-employees-from-foreign-government-sources-reported#t-3[/url] ([url]https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/04/26/2013-09945/office-of-the-chief-of-protocol-gifts-to-federal-employees-from-foreign-government-sources-reported#t-3[/url])

some of it is stuff you'd find on a pirate ship or something. or in a museum. great golden statues with pearl inlays

biggest giver to both: Saudis



wow the link is awesome!!! (I question some of the value on the items) such as:

Large portrait of Secretary Clinton in gold frame. Rec'd—4/12/2011. Est. Value—$1,900.00. Location—Pending Transfer to General Services Administration

First thing that comes to my mind:

How large is this portrait?

I can get a 30"x30" gold frame with UV Protection at... 261.78 dollars!!!

http://www.pictureframes.com/custom-frames/Ornate-Profile-Custom-Frame-RR2 (http://www.pictureframes.com/custom-frames/Ornate-Profile-Custom-Frame-RR2)

Second thing that comes to my mind:

Talk about VAIN...

Third thing that comes to my mind:

How many pictures did Hillary gave away...



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 29, 2016, 12:27:07 PM
Miao Silver Dragon necklace mounted frame and 22 pendants in the image of a butterfly, Buddha, bell, and leaf. Rec'd—5/8/2011. Est. Value—$440.00. Location—Pending Transfer to General Services Administration

Where did they shop for this?

A miao silver necklace on Ebay is going for 138 dollars

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-tribal-exotic-ethnic-chinese-handmade-miao-silver-necklace-/231948569132?hash=item3601364a2c:g:ZHwAAOSwH71XPDYM (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-tribal-exotic-ethnic-chinese-handmade-miao-silver-necklace-/231948569132?hash=item3601364a2c:g:ZHwAAOSwH71XPDYM)

and that's not saying about the '22' pendants...

Maybe Hillary can shop... (I doubt it - I think the numbers are fixed)



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 29, 2016, 12:28:16 PM
from Pope Francis to Obama lol

Quote
6″ cast bronze medal depicting vines on ceramic stoneware with a Roman travertine finish. 8″ cast bronze medal depicting the Angel of Solidarity and Peace. Book, title: Miserando Atque Eligando. Rec'd—3/27/2014. Est. Value—$1,015.00. Disposition—National Archives and Records Administration

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/11/25/2015-29897/office-of-the-chief-of-protocol-gifts-to-federal-employees-from-foreign-government-sources-reported#t-1 (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/11/25/2015-29897/office-of-the-chief-of-protocol-gifts-to-federal-employees-from-foreign-government-sources-reported#t-1)

isn't that was Jesus gave Pontius Pilate


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 29, 2016, 03:54:32 PM
(http://i.imgflip.com/9uowb.gif) 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on June 29, 2016, 04:02:10 PM
Allhallowsday, if this thread offends you so much, why do you still click on it? Lots of others to choose from.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on June 29, 2016, 05:12:45 PM
Allhallowsday, if this thread offends you so much, why do you still click on it? Lots of others to choose from.
I think it's to break up what could be a giant s**tstorm in a row


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 29, 2016, 05:49:30 PM
Allhallowsday, if this thread offends you so much, why do you still click on it? Lots of others to choose from.

(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/092014/1410082237_cat_pooping_in_the_toilet_fail.gif)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 29, 2016, 06:04:33 PM
Allhallowsday, if this thread offends you so much, why do you still click on it? Lots of others to choose from.

([url]http://www.gifbin.com/bin/092014/1410082237_cat_pooping_in_the_toilet_fail.gif[/url])


 :hot: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :cheers:

Holy crap-thats friggin hilarious!!!!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on June 30, 2016, 01:35:11 AM
Allhallowsday, if this thread offends you so much, why do you still click on it? Lots of others to choose from.
I think it's to break up what could be a giant s**tstorm in a row

Agreed: that's why I post stuff like this:

(https://i.imgflip.com/16l1ih.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 30, 2016, 10:53:42 AM
http://youtu.be/0q1GetC83ec (http://youtu.be/0q1GetC83ec)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 30, 2016, 11:40:15 AM
[url]http://youtu.be/0q1GetC83ec[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/0q1GetC83ec[/url])


I don't have sound (so I'll check this out later)...

But as I recall, the aliens destroyed major cities and the white house... The president could say "Kill those sky hopping mother f*ckers" and he won't be wrong! (I'll check the video later)


Hot on the news today:

It came out that Bill Clinton had a secret meeting with Loretta Lynch on the tarmac in Phoenix. The meeting was before the release of the Benghazi Report.



Quote
Lynch's FBI security detail did not stop Clinton and he proceeded to initiate an extended conversation that ranged from grandchildren to the West Virginia coal industry.

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/bill-clinton-loretta-lynch/index.html[/url] ([url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/bill-clinton-loretta-lynch/index.html[/url])


LOL... I've seen enough mob/spy movies to know the two talked more than grandchildren to the West Virginia coal industry...






Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 30, 2016, 12:38:23 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 30, 2016, 12:41:38 PM
Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Lynch

Lynch and her husband, Stephen Hargrove, married in 2007. In her personal life she uses her married name, Loretta Lynch Hargrove. Her husband has two children from a previous marriage.

She has no grandchildren  :buggedout:



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 30, 2016, 03:51:13 PM
If you recall the history-1980's-of Trump-he declared bankruptsy and f**ked all his investors-and he will f**k you too!
Golly-he don't care about you "working class" republicans-he's a millionare who made money off scamming NYC. Do Yer homework. :cheers: :cheers:
Yee ha!
 :cheers:
Don't matter-I'll bet ya dollar to donuts he's dead within 4 years.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 30, 2016, 05:30:45 PM
Don't matter-I'll bet ya dollar to donuts he's dead within 4 years.

Maybe Trump should have somebody like Bernie Mac as VP

https://youtu.be/anILOkZWf0I


(OMG - I missed Bernie Mac so damn much! And some of the stuff he says is pre-Trump!)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on June 30, 2016, 06:24:22 PM
[url]http://youtu.be/0q1GetC83ec[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/0q1GetC83ec[/url])


Watched the video and now I have a headache. I'm going to assume this was only 'humor' because as I recall in the movie the aliens were destroying stuff meanwhile everybody else was on the run... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 30, 2016, 11:39:42 PM
Ya know-I aint gonna debate this stupid s**t no mo-yeah-Trump is gonna win. Yeah-you like him-I don't-ok-DONE.

Its all politics-but in the long run-were all in the same boat.



http://youtu.be/rvuO2EvCTAE (http://youtu.be/rvuO2EvCTAE)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on June 30, 2016, 11:40:34 PM
DONALD TRUMP is going to BAN blocks of CHEESE !!! 

He wants to make America GRATE again !!! 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 01, 2016, 01:45:48 AM
Ok.

Im done.

I dont think any thing I say will change any bodys mind. Groovy. What I think and what others think aint gonna be same-and I know Im right-and yer right.
NONE of  us are f**king right.
There is no right now.

http://youtu.be/eh7lp9umG2I (http://youtu.be/eh7lp9umG2I)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 01, 2016, 02:01:16 AM
joke-How do you keep a moron in suspence?
I may tell ya later


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 02, 2016, 09:16:31 PM
http://youtu.be/qa7SmlHQaN0 (http://youtu.be/qa7SmlHQaN0)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on July 02, 2016, 09:37:27 PM
joke-How do you keep a moron in suspence?
I may tell ya later

Aren't you going to tell us?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 03, 2016, 12:33:43 AM
I saw on YouTube today that Satan has formally endorsed Donald Trump!  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: AoTFan on July 04, 2016, 02:52:12 PM
Getting back to the original question of the thread, I say "Groot for President."
Because in the end, we're all Groot!

(http://cdn.hitfix.com/images2/assets/marchmayhem/2015/movie-hero/groot.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on July 05, 2016, 02:13:21 AM
 :wink: :wink:

(https://i.imgflip.com/16ru0o.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 05, 2016, 08:28:48 AM
:wink: :wink:

(https://i.imgflip.com/16ru0o.jpg)

wow the bird does look like Sanders... I wonder if Hillary is holding the bird :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 06, 2016, 08:57:11 PM
[url]http://youtu.be/0q1GetC83ec[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/0q1GetC83ec[/url])

this collage humor bulls**t is likely closer to what we have to deal with.
I hatecollage punks.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: voltron on July 07, 2016, 08:57:53 AM
Johnny Rebel!  :wink: Actually that's terrible but in my circle of friends we get a kick out of stuff like that. Not that I'm a racist by any means but one of my friends is totally pc and we enjoy picking on him because of that.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on July 07, 2016, 09:43:57 PM
John Henry Eden! (And karma for anyone who knows who John Henry Eden is. No fair looking him up...)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 07, 2016, 11:38:30 PM
[url]http://youtu.be/qa7SmlHQaN0[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/qa7SmlHQaN0[/url])


I often come back and listen to music and vids I've posted.  Like this one.   My jukebox. 



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 08, 2016, 08:14:14 AM
Police: 5 officers dead, 7 hurt in Dallas protest shooting

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/police-5-officers-dead-7-hurt-in-dallas-protest-shooting/ar-BBu5aky?li=BBnb7Kz?ocid=ansmsnnews11 (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/police-5-officers-dead-7-hurt-in-dallas-protest-shooting/ar-BBu5aky?li=BBnb7Kz?ocid=ansmsnnews11)


[I do blame Obama and the Democrats for these anti-police protest]


Do you want more of this? vote for Hillary! (And never Trumpers - your no vote/3rd person vote is a vote for Hillary!)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 08, 2016, 09:25:15 AM
Sure, electing a racially insensitive jerk will ABSOLUTELY solve all the racial problems in America, Skull!!  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 08, 2016, 09:35:55 AM
Sure, electing a racially insensitive jerk will ABSOLUTELY solve all the racial problems in America, Skull!!  :teddyr:

So far... Obama's saying stuff that white policemen are naturally racist are getting police officers killed!  And we know Hillary's INCOMPETENCE in the Middle East got 4 people killed.

How many people had Trump killed so far - NONE!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 08, 2016, 10:09:39 AM
I'm so much happier reading the Bible ( including commentary ranging from fundamentalism to people claiming Jesus never existed) and skateboarding than being so involved in politics and the stock market.

People are online 18 hours a day and they are getting worked up about all this stuff. What did they say in the 60's turn on and drop out. falling between the cracks isn't as bad as they make it out to be


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on July 08, 2016, 10:23:03 AM
Police: 5 officers dead, 7 hurt in Dallas protest shooting

[url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/police-5-officers-dead-7-hurt-in-dallas-protest-shooting/ar-BBu5aky?li=BBnb7Kz?ocid=ansmsnnews11[/url] ([url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/police-5-officers-dead-7-hurt-in-dallas-protest-shooting/ar-BBu5aky?li=BBnb7Kz?ocid=ansmsnnews11[/url])

This is a tragedy
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[I do blame Obama and the Democrats for these anti-police protest]


Do you want more of this? vote for Hillary! (And never Trumpers - your no vote/3rd person vote is a vote for Hillary!)

This is...ugh. Seriously, We know you hate Obama and Hillary, but come on now.  This  is gonna make people angry at you, do you want people to be angry at you?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 08, 2016, 10:34:06 AM
I'm so much happier reading the Bible ( including commentary ranging from fundamentalism to people claiming Jesus never existed) and skateboarding than being so involved in politics and the stock market.

All I know there  are two things certain in life - Death and Taxes. If you like to know more about Death; some look at religion for answers or put their trust in science - either direction you go your still using FAITH that the source is reliable. Taxes is much simpler - follow the politics.


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People are online 18 hours a day and they are getting worked up about all this stuff.

I had not followed the shootings earlier this week; although I know they are one sided and unusually the side of the perp. All serious - everybody in prison claims to be innocent (but we know they are not.)


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What did they say in the 60's turn on and drop out. falling between the cracks isn't as bad as they make it out to be

lol... I'm not sure what they said about the 60's but most of the players in government are from the 60's...



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 08, 2016, 10:39:27 AM

This is...ugh. Seriously, We know you hate Obama and Hillary, but come on now.  This  is gonna make people angry at you, do you want people to be angry at you?

Black Lives would never exist if Obama didn't use the shooting of Michael Brown for his political game for his second term. Fact Michael Brown was a thug that tried to steal a policemans firearm!

Sorry.. but those cops killed in Dallas was OBAMA'S FAULT!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 08, 2016, 10:57:09 AM
skull - my point was more along the lines of; you don't have to care so much about this stuff. You don't have to hate Black Lives matters or support black lives matters. we weren't put on this earth to be footsoldiers for popular tweeters or talk show hosts.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on July 08, 2016, 11:10:50 AM

This is...ugh. Seriously, We know you hate Obama and Hillary, but come on now.  This  is gonna make people angry at you, do you want people to be angry at you?

Black Lives would never exist if Obama didn't use the shooting of Michael Brown for his political game for his second term. Fact Michael Brown was a thug that tried to steal a policemans firearm!

Sorry.. but those cops killed in Dallas was OBAMA'S FAULT!
Oh jeez, this is..this is just wrong. I seriously hope you aren't that serious, that there is tin foil level conspiracy. I can't tell you how much I want Rev to lock this thread for fear that this is going to end with a giant fight. It's all Obamas fault that the media would milk something out for profit, isn't it? And by saying that it's Obama's fault, aren't you trying to push for Trump's plan then, by bad mouthing a group we know you hate? This is just....UGH.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 08, 2016, 11:46:13 AM

Oh jeez, this is..this is just wrong. I seriously hope you aren't that serious, that there is tin foil level conspiracy.

Tin foil? Like the FBI saying Hillary did no wrong with her Secret Server even thought it was AGAINST THE LAW TO HAVE A SECRET SERVER. How about this one... did you know that the top secret server cannot send emails to any place, the emails had to removed from the source *thumb drive* to another computer so Hillary can receive them to a secret server... oh but that's tin foil...  :lookingup:

Obama wanted to win 2nd term and he pull everything he can to get that win. The Ferguson shooting was an opportunity to jump on (aka never let a good crisis go to waste).


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I can't tell you how much I want Rev to lock this thread for fear that this is going to end with a giant fight.

I don't see any fighting here... If you don't want to reply then don't.


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It's all Obamas fault that the media would milk something out for profit, isn't it?

No... It's Obama fault for saying the bulls**t he said. All the media does is repeat what Obama said.


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And by saying that it's Obama's fault, aren't you trying to push for Trump's plan then, by bad mouthing a group we know you hate? This is just....UGH.


Maybe you can prove me that I'm wrong...



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 08, 2016, 11:57:55 AM
skull - my point was more along the lines of; you don't have to care so much about this stuff. You don't have to hate Black Lives matters or support black lives matters. we weren't put on this earth to be footsoldiers for popular tweeters or talk show hosts.

I think there is far too many people not doing there homework because they don't want to care about this stuff. Sorry but I'd assume that's what you were talking about.


If black lives really matter - why are they not protesting the violence in Chicago?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 08, 2016, 12:07:38 PM
I'm so much happier reading the Bible ( including commentary ranging from fundamentalism to people claiming Jesus never existed) and skateboarding than being so involved in politics and the stock market.

People are online 18 hours a day and they are getting worked up about all this stuff. What did they say in the 60's turn on and drop out. falling between the cracks isn't as bad as they make it out to be

Partisan politics makes folks miserable. I guess arguing about it gives people an illusion of agency. I dropped out of taking sides between Republicans and Democrats (and Libertarians and Socialists, and everyone else) years ago, and have never regretted it once. In fact, if anything, I'm dogmatically apolitical.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 08, 2016, 02:48:17 PM
(http://new4.fjcdn.com/gifs/Where+s+the+flamethrower_0d4a12_5083655.gif)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 08, 2016, 03:35:47 PM
My point is, Skull, that there is a deep and bitter racial divide in America which predates Obama (and all of us in this discussion, for that matter).  It has gotten worse in recent years, and I will agree that Obama probably could have done more to unite rather than divide us.  But if you think electing Trump is going to somehow magically fix this cultural division, you're smoking crack.  No president can fix this - it's gotten too out of hand!  It doesn't matter if Hillary wins or Trump wins, too many blacks will still  hate cops, too many cops will pull the trigger when they shouldn't, and too many whites will insist it's all the black people's fault.

THE ONLY THING that can solve this divide is if people actually focus on loving and helping each other instead of blaming and hating each other.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 08, 2016, 06:08:04 PM
My point is, Skull, that there is a deep and bitter racial divide in America which predates Obama (and all of us in this discussion, for that matter).  It has gotten worse in recent years, and I will agree that Obama probably could have done more to unite rather than divide us.  But if you think electing Trump is going to somehow magically fix this cultural division, you're smoking crack.  No president can fix this - it's gotten too out of hand!  It doesn't matter if Hillary wins or Trump wins, too many blacks will still  hate cops, too many cops will pull the trigger when they shouldn't, and too many whites will insist it's all the black people's fault.

THE ONLY THING that can solve this divide is if people actually focus on loving and helping each other instead of blaming and hating each other.

and you think I'm smoking funny stuff.

I'd already said... Trump winning the white house is not going to be an instant fix. All it's going to do is expose the American People who the Democrats and the Republicans really are. It's going to be an eye opener because the Democrats and Republicans are going to shut down the government and threaten impeachment (or even try to impeach Trump) meanwhile Trump is going to expose them.

What could fix this Racist BS? Peace and love is not the answer.

Make those self-appointed black leaders accountable for starting riots... We need to put these idiots in jail.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 08, 2016, 06:16:31 PM
What would be your process for determining who started the riot?
The one who gave an inflammatory speech, or the one who threw the first brick? 

There is this little thing called the First Amendment.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 08, 2016, 07:27:40 PM
So far... Obama's saying stuff that white policemen are naturally racist are getting police officers killed!  ...
Horse hockey.  OBAMA never said anything remotely close to that road apple.   :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 08, 2016, 09:51:10 PM
So far... Obama's saying stuff that white policemen are naturally racist are getting police officers killed!  ...
Horse hockey.  OBAMA never said anything remotely close to that road apple.   :lookingup:

“But a combination of bad training, in some cases, a combination in some cases of departments that really are not trying to root out biases, or tolerate sloppy police work; a combination in some cases of folks just not knowing any better, and in a lot of cases, subconscious fear of folks who look different — all of this contributes to a national problem that’s going to require a national solution.”

Obama's own words!

[Please don't be so damn lazy - listen to him when he speaks.]

What would be your process for determining who started the riot?
The one who gave an inflammatory speech, or the one who threw the first brick? 

There is this little thing called the First Amendment.

The First Amendment don't give me the right to scream "Bomb!" when I'm inside an airport.

We have months of audio on black lives matter screaming 'kill the police' or 'fry them up like bacon' this is not free speech this is inciting a riot.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: flackbait on July 08, 2016, 10:00:58 PM

Oh jeez, this is..this is just wrong. I seriously hope you aren't that serious, that there is tin foil level conspiracy.

Tin foil? Like the FBI saying Hillary did no wrong with her Secret Server even thought it was AGAINST THE LAW TO HAVE A SECRET SERVER. How about this one... did you know that the top secret server cannot send emails to any place, the emails had to removed from the source *thumb drive* to another computer so Hillary can receive them to a secret server... oh but that's tin foil...  :lookingup:

Obama wanted to win 2nd term and he pull everything he can to get that win. The Ferguson shooting was an opportunity to jump on (aka never let a good crisis go to waste).


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I can't tell you how much I want Rev to lock this thread for fear that this is going to end with a giant fight.

I don't see any fighting here... If you don't want to reply then don't.


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It's all Obamas fault that the media would milk something out for profit, isn't it?

No... It's Obama fault for saying the bulls**t he said. All the media does is repeat what Obama said.


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And by saying that it's Obama's fault, aren't you trying to push for Trump's plan then, by bad mouthing a group we know you hate? This is just....UGH.


Maybe you can prove me that I'm wrong...


Skull correct me if I'm mistaken here but didn't Obama already start his second term after the Ferguson shooting took place? I could be wrong I've been drinking a bit(well a liiiiitle bit more than a bit!)! :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on July 08, 2016, 10:25:00 PM

Skull correct me if I'm mistaken here but didn't Obama already start his second term after the Ferguson shooting took place? I could be wrong I've been drinking a bit(well a liiiiitle bit more than a bit!)! :cheers:
He started in 2012, Ferguson was 2014.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 09, 2016, 06:21:58 AM
Oh my mistake it didn't seem like 2 years ago... Sorry I forgot about Trayvon Martin and the 'White Hispanic' George Zimmerman... And I do believe media/Obama did there best to make Zimmerman white.

And lets not forget 2009; Obama said:  "the Cambridge police acted stupidly" [And he shouldn't be saying things like this - and the arrest of Gates seemed correct because he being disorderly during an investigation of a 911 call.]



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 09, 2016, 08:05:25 AM
So far... Obama's saying stuff that white policemen are naturally racist are getting police officers killed!  ...
Horse hockey.  OBAMA never said anything remotely close to that road apple.   :lookingup:

“But a combination of bad training, in some cases, a combination in some cases of departments that really are not trying to root out biases, or tolerate sloppy police work; a combination in some cases of folks just not knowing any better, and in a lot of cases, subconscious fear of folks who look different — all of this contributes to a national problem that’s going to require a national solution.”

Obama's own words!

[Please don't be so damn lazy - listen to him when he speaks.]



The quote you supplied from Obama says that many (not all) officers have subconscious biases (not outright racism) against blacks, which is quite reasonable and to me sounds very different than "white officers are naturally racist." I think that not addressing the racial issue at all would have been disingenuous and would have earned him far more criticism than his carefully measured response here did.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 09, 2016, 04:30:30 PM


The quote you supplied from Obama says that many (not all) officers have subconscious biases (not outright racism) against blacks, which is quite reasonable and to me sounds very different than "white officers are naturally racist." I think that not addressing the racial issue at all would have been disingenuous and would have earned him far more criticism than his carefully measured response here did.

That would be great if the topic wasn't about the outrage of a white police officer shooting a young black man. Even thought the fact was a police officer had to shot a thug because the thug was going for the police officer's gun.

I would like to know 'where is this bad training he's talking about?' 'What department that cannot root out biases?' 'Who is willing to hide sloppy police work?' 'Who is he talking about as folks not knowing any better?' and Obama said IN A LOT OF CASES (which seemed to suggest that these events are not SMALL) "subconscious fear of folks who look different"


Sorry but everything Obama said suggest that the police department is racist because of flawed training and it's going to require the federal government to fix this. Even thought the police department is a state and local issue (not a fed issue).


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 09, 2016, 04:50:35 PM


(http://new4.fjcdn.com/gifs/Gag+reflex+what+girls+really+do+in+the+bathroom_3a4970_4187021.gif)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 09, 2016, 06:24:58 PM
I really don't think the cops who shot these UNARMED folks are racist-I think waaay back in their youth-they were either-
A. Bullys
Or B. Kids with an inferiority complex who became cops because it stroked their dicks.
And they kill blacks because-well-nobody will call them to task-cuz their black,ya know?
that being sed-
I ain't sorry for starting this thread-I think folks NEED to talk about politics-I dunno if this was the right place to talk about it-but-why not? Were among freinds.
Fact is-trying to convince folks who are flat out NOT gonna listen to anything you say-and that includes me-is like expecting a monkey to expect you to like the taste of his p**s.

(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah192/mydoginky/vjbgSnq_zpsbtaxjr0b.gif) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/mydoginky/media/vjbgSnq_zpsbtaxjr0b.gif.html)

He may think it tastes like ambrosia-but others think its just yer monkey p**s.

(I was trying to find a dog eating his own s**t-but I found this-and the analogy had to be slighty changed- cuz that is a funny picture!  :bouncegiggle:)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 09, 2016, 07:18:59 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 09, 2016, 07:21:14 PM
I can't see voting Clinton or Trump this election.

I'm glad I'm a Libertarian.  Johnson may not win it...but I honestly don't see it as a wasted vote.  I don't think Clinton or Trump would do ANY good for this place.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 09, 2016, 07:31:44 PM
NOW this is a debate I wanna see-! monkeys p**sing and cats s**tting!  :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 09, 2016, 07:40:35 PM
NOW this is a debate I wanna see-! monkeys p**sing and cats s**tting!  :cheers:


You are such a dumb-ass.  You da man. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 09, 2016, 07:53:17 PM
Not really about presidents, but about the constitution, and the 2nd Amendment.  "I've never heard of "Protection rifles." 
http://youtu.be/0rR9IaXH1M0 (http://youtu.be/0rR9IaXH1M0)
http://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4 (http://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4)

Seems appropriate lately.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 09, 2016, 07:54:54 PM
NOW this is a debate I wanna see-! monkeys p**sing and cats s**tting!  :cheers:


You are such a dumb-ass.  You da man. 
Thank ya-thank ya vera much. For my next act I will juggle 10 plates on the end of my dick!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 09, 2016, 08:00:54 PM
NOW this is a debate I wanna see-! monkeys p**sing and cats s**tting!  :cheers:


You are such a dumb-ass.  You da man. 
Thank ya-thank ya vera much. For my next act I will juggle 10 plates on the end of my dick!

 :bouncegiggle:  Okay, I stand corrected.  You are such an idiot...  still THE MAN.   :teddyr:   :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 09, 2016, 08:08:59 PM
It's kinda one sided at the moment-on this board I mean-we got Happy and Hallows and me on line-and some guy who never posts (I looked at whose online-just us)-oh-dam!
f**k it Lets have a shinding!  :thumbup:

Lets dance!  :twirl:

http://youtu.be/7f1uWMC7i9k (http://youtu.be/7f1uWMC7i9k)



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 09, 2016, 08:18:37 PM
Okay... !!!  :teddyr: :smile:
http://youtu.be/RkZC7sqImaM (http://youtu.be/RkZC7sqImaM)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 09, 2016, 08:22:46 PM
Get Up And Go--The Rutles.  That's really close to Get Back.   :bouncegiggle:
http://youtu.be/amiBTezWKqQ (http://youtu.be/amiBTezWKqQ)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 09, 2016, 08:24:15 PM
Yeh!  THE RUTLES...

http://youtu.be/AL9GZaH2Ev8 (http://youtu.be/AL9GZaH2Ev8)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 09, 2016, 08:25:23 PM
Oh yeah-I fergot-this is supposed to be potlitical!-Oh yeah! I can dig it!

http://youtu.be/O8m2LpYGV0E (http://youtu.be/O8m2LpYGV0E)

Hey-Hap-we got to keep this about politics-ya know (I love the Rutles  :wink:)

http://youtu.be/2bKaWRGTB1g (http://youtu.be/2bKaWRGTB1g)

Oh yeah-this aint about that numbnuts either! s**t!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 09, 2016, 08:27:16 PM
Revolution--The Beatles.
http://youtu.be/BGLGzRXY5Bw (http://youtu.be/BGLGzRXY5Bw)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 09, 2016, 08:31:09 PM
These I suppose are "political" mein freund

http://youtu.be/a5hFMy4pTrs (http://youtu.be/a5hFMy4pTrs)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 09, 2016, 08:37:04 PM
Ya know-bein' I started this f**kin thread-I should be able to trash it into oblivious nonsense!

http://youtu.be/JPSLmPokmtg (http://youtu.be/JPSLmPokmtg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 09, 2016, 08:39:10 PM
I guess, we could say, "God Save the Queen" is Political?
http://youtu.be/R8fLOJswWtk (http://youtu.be/R8fLOJswWtk)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 09, 2016, 08:45:35 PM
This is so nice I had to play it twice.

http://youtu.be/JPSLmPokmtg (http://youtu.be/JPSLmPokmtg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 09, 2016, 08:47:35 PM
American Idiot.  Green Day.
http://youtu.be/Ee_uujKuJMI (http://youtu.be/Ee_uujKuJMI)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 09, 2016, 08:57:09 PM
I really dont give a f**k who's the next President-as long it aint crazy ass racist cocksucker Trump-he's a meglomaniac.
I fear for the future of this country.

He IS a modern day Hitler.

http://youtu.be/SlozALOHG7E (http://youtu.be/SlozALOHG7E)
to Trump backers-here ya go-grab yer lotion,baby!
Yeah-I know I'm just getting insanely stupid now-of course-this is called satire.
Somebody gotta break up this s**t. Because I already stated my views normally-now I'm gonna be totally apes**t and just be a cartoonist.

This would make ya a good ring! tone! Ya know-like fer yer phone? That would be groovy!  :cheers: Raise a stein!




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 09, 2016, 09:00:36 PM
RC, you'll LOVE this.  This comedian HATES Donald Trump.
http://youtu.be/CceQISThDYQ (http://youtu.be/CceQISThDYQ)

"I like him cause he's a straight talker.'  You're as dumb as sh*t.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 09, 2016, 09:30:36 PM
He uses comedy to get across a good point. :thumbup:And  ya think popular music-or comedy-doesnt reflect public opinion on politics-gee-the 60's anyone?
So-Being as we just showed that-and I don't see many pro Trump skits or songs going his way...he's a national joke. It's embarrassing to think this shmuck is running for president-only rednecks and conspirisy fanatics need apply-but-the f**ked thing about THAT! We got a hell of alot of TV addicted freaks like that all over this f**ked up land of ours! Who believe in his s**t! Its so sad it's FUNNY. :twirl:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 09, 2016, 09:33:12 PM
Had fun being a fool! See ya! Don't wanna be ya! :drink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 09, 2016, 09:44:45 PM
This is so nice I had to play it twice.

[url]http://youtu.be/JPSLmPokmtg[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/JPSLmPokmtg[/url])


THIS is funny.  I don't want to listen to Punk much these days, but it doesn't mean i can't take it, I just don't care for it much.   :smile: 

However, one must always consider one's "audience".  Are you trying to offend THEM?  It's just food for thought. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 09, 2016, 10:00:03 PM
This is so nice I had to play it twice.

[url]http://youtu.be/JPSLmPokmtg[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/JPSLmPokmtg[/url])


THIS is funny.  I don't want to listen to Punk much these days, but it doesn't mean i can't take it, I just don't care for it much.   :smile: 

However, one must always consider one's "audience".  Are you trying to offend THEM?  It's just food for thought. 

Pretty good question.  I kinda dig that. 



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 09, 2016, 10:14:30 PM
True-yer not gonna get across to a buncha yahoo rednecks or upper class rich white folks with punk rock-it basically is just jerking off. It makes you feel good-but in public to others-yeah-old early 80's bands like DOA aint gonna convince-or even get noticed-by kids who listen to radio freindly watered down" hip hop" and Taylor Swift crap. Which bears no resembelance to the real thing. Modern music on the radio is pussified.
Yeah-their preaching to the converted.  :lookingup:
NOW-if we can get some dumb redneck anthem or such going against him-eh?  :twirl:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 09, 2016, 11:51:47 PM
ah, just write my name in on election day.  I'll fix everything, I promise!!!  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: retrorussell on July 10, 2016, 02:43:51 AM
This guy, from IDIOCRACY:
(http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Dwayne-Elizondo-Mountain-Dew-Herbert-Camacho-Flipping-The-Bird-In-Idiocracy-Gif.gif)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on July 11, 2016, 07:26:00 AM
All right, muthafuggers, here is the once and for all answer to the original question posed on this meandering topic.

Are you ready, Springfield? I say ARE YOU READY SPRINGFIELD???!!!!

The answer is..... it should be resolved by lottery. Yes, lottery. Whoever's name is drawn at random from among 200,000,000 potential candidates, serves. Instead of Publisher's Clearing House showing up on your lawn with humping big check, the Chief Justice comes and shoves a Bible at you and next thing you know, wham, straight to the Oval Office.

Bill Buckley proposed something similar for Congress, let's try it on the Presidency.

Furthermore, if they refuse to serve we shoot them and draw again. If their approval rating dips below 40% we shoot them and draw again. We beat them if they fail to satisfy, and shoot them if they actively displease.

Problem solved. I am so smart today I impress my lil ol self. Now to tackle that pesky immigration crisis before moving on to energy and world peace!

(Must come down from this adrenaline high before work, must come down before work....)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 11, 2016, 09:29:25 AM

The answer is..... it should be resolved by lottery. Yes, lottery. Whoever's name is drawn at random from among 200,000,000 potential candidates, serves. Instead of Publisher's Clearing House showing up on your lawn with humping big check, the Chief Justice comes and shoves a Bible at you and next thing you know, wham, straight to the Oval Office.


Furthermore, if they refuse to serve we shoot them and draw again. If their approval rating dips below 40% we shoot them and draw again. We beat them if they fail to satisfy, and shoot them if they actively displease.


This is a really good plot for a horror/thriller - similar to The Hunger Games :)

[I might use this idea...]


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 11, 2016, 10:57:18 PM
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/28ab18b4453561dc0bb0c0c1e1431923/tumblr_inline_nkpdfnXQdq1qcryb6.gif)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on July 12, 2016, 08:29:34 AM
(Nevermind, I was being dumb.)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on July 12, 2016, 09:01:32 AM
You guys remember the Moral Majority, and how instead of just not clicking on a forum, um, I mean a TV show, or seeing a movie, or reading a book, they'd protest it instead, in effect saying, I don't want to be involved in this, so I don't want you to be able to either?

Those guys remind me of the idiots who banned TV in South Africa until 1975  :tongueout:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: voltron on July 12, 2016, 09:42:10 AM
If only Lemmy was still alive.....


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 12, 2016, 09:55:35 AM
If only Lemmy was still alive.....

Because Lemmy would support Trump and all this silliness would be over  :tongueout:

You guys remember the Moral Majority, and how instead of just not clicking on a forum, um, I mean a TV show, or seeing a movie, or reading a book, they'd protest it instead, in effect saying, I don't want to be involved in this, so I don't want you to be able to either? Instead of leaving people alone to express themselves, they'd try to be controlling and ruin other people's fun? People like that bug me. If something offends you, don't participate, and don't belittle other people who are doing something. I guess they thought they were being witty trying to control others that way. I suppose the ghost of Falwell still lives on in 2016.

I've always thought it was annoying when some 'mother's group' wanted to ban Married with Children because they didn't like the content but the first thing came to my mind was - BE A FREAK'N PARENT AND TURN THE CHANNEL OFF IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR KIDS TO SEE THE STORY.

I've always thought the worst thing Hollywood did was adopt the Hay's Code. (Sorry but I don't understand what this has to do with the Presidential Tread)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 12, 2016, 10:22:33 AM
You guys remember the Moral Majority, and how instead of just not clicking on a forum, um, I mean a TV show, or seeing a movie, or reading a book, they'd protest it instead, in effect saying, I don't want to be involved in this, so I don't want you to be able to either? Instead of leaving people alone to express themselves, they'd try to be controlling and ruin other people's fun? People like that bug me. If something offends you, don't participate, and don't belittle other people who are doing something. I guess they thought they were being witty trying to control others that way. I suppose the ghost of Falwell still lives on in 2016.

(http://new2.fjcdn.com/gifs/It+s+not+enough_109d46_4595013.gif)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on July 12, 2016, 01:52:17 PM
I refuse to vote for Trump because as a person he disgusts me ad I don't agree with his views and am not convinced I should vote for Hillary #2016politics


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 12, 2016, 04:03:00 PM
I guess I was more oblique than I thought then, Skull. I was referring to AHD's constant posting of scatological images, as if saying because he's uninterested in these topics (and don't feel bad, AHD, my five-year-old thinks poop jokes are the height of humor, too), it's fine to be intolerant and make fun of others who might be, and in general to imply anything anyone else has to say on them is worthy of a toilet.

lol I've sense you were referring to the 'toilet spam.'  Sorry I cannot control the 'toilet spam.' I do think it's interesting when this thread is not being used and it's falls a few lines below that AHD posts a 'toilet spam' (in a sense he's bumping the thread)...


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It's a sort of would-be censorship via intimidation that reminded me of the Moral Majority.

I think the most annoying censorship is when a person told Rev that he/she didn't post on the tread but wants to lock it down.

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There are plenty of forums here I have zero interest in and plenty of run-on threads that don't call me to participate in them, but I'm not so anal as to sit and post s**t jokes every time I am tired of someone's views. The sensible thing is to not click on a thread if it disturbs you; the polite thing is to comment intelligently; the boring thing is to keep including Butthead-level humor most of us grew out of about the time we learned what sex felt like.

I do agree and this happens to be the most civilized 'presidential' on the internet.  Even with the toilet gif's are fun to watch.

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But, hey, far be it from me to try to stop a plumbing fetishist from getting his kicks, be it correcting someone's spelling, or displaying an apparent all-possessing fondness for toilets and defecating cats.

Everybody's got a thing, after all.

Sorry but please don't let it bother you. I look past the gif's :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 12, 2016, 04:19:40 PM
what a capitulation from Sanders


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 12, 2016, 04:45:16 PM
what a capitulation from Sanders
It's being called a sell-out. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 12, 2016, 04:50:59 PM
...
Sorry but please don't let it bother you. I look past the gif's :)

No you don't.  They're fun.  You said.  You said.  And you're right.  I'm totally bumping the thread. 


ER, you make my day!  This is for you m'dear:  
(http://new2.fjcdn.com/gifs/Interesting+toilet_8efce5_4695730.gif)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 12, 2016, 05:28:16 PM
 And you're right.  I'm totally bumping the thread. 

It's nice to be right  :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 12, 2016, 07:57:11 PM
 And you're right.  I'm totally bumping the thread. 

It's nice to be right  :cheers:
You da man. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on July 13, 2016, 01:08:49 AM
I think the most annoying censorship is when a person told Rev that he/she didn't post on the tread but wants to lock it down.

With respect, Skull I was the person who sent Rev a PM and asked if the thread could be locked. The reason for this is I detest seeing people I consider family - all of you, in other words - arguing over something as trivial as politics. We should rather be arguing over the technical merits of Manos The Hands Of Fate or the pro South African view in films like Lethal Weapon 2 or Cry Freedom.

And also another explanation: politics are trivial to me because I lived in a Communist country for six years: that is enough torture for a lifetime and I loathe censorship of any kind.

 :smile:



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 13, 2016, 06:10:40 AM


With respect, Skull I was the person who sent Rev a PM and asked if the thread could be locked.

 :smile:



 :buggedout:

I do wish there was something awesome to talk about but recent movies had not been that awesome or worthy to talk about... I had not even see the New Star Wars movie... And I had not been seeing much action at my other message boards since Pokemon Go came out... (My phone sucks because it keeps crashing out of the Pokemon Go)



Actually, Skull, picking a Republican (if she could find one willing to switch sides) would not be a bad choice at all for Hillary in terms of poaching potential Trump voters. The only thing is, I don't think she should take any gambles---she's ahead solidly in the polls, no need to rock the boat.

Sorry but I don't trust the polls. I think I would trust Facebook likes more.

Hillary Clinton

4,050,960

https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/likes (https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/likes)

Donald J. Trump

8,328,253

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/likes (https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/likes)


And if you look at the Likes Trump is gaining speed and Hillary is dropping - I wonder if the night club shooting has anything to do with it...


-------------------------------

Like I said, I NEVER TRUSTED the polls... (and I said that a dozen times on the other thread). So I wouldn't be surprised that Hillary would pull a republican out of her ass. :)





I've posted this on the VP tread a month or so ago... Lets see the likes:

Hillary
Old  = 4,050,960
Today=4,386,361
-------------------
Gain =  338,401

Trump
Old =  8,328,253
Today=9,101,937
-------------------
Gain =  773,684



I don't know what the polls are really saying because Trump has gain more then twice the number of likes than Hillary (comparing to the last time I've posted the thread) and Trump still has 2x more total likes!!!!



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 13, 2016, 08:00:19 AM
I think the most annoying censorship is when a person told Rev that he/she didn't post on the tread but wants to lock it down.

With respect, Skull I was the person who sent Rev a PM and asked if the thread could be locked. The reason for this is I detest seeing people I consider family - all of you, in other words - arguing over something as trivial as politics. We should rather be arguing over the technical merits of Manos The Hands Of Fate or the pro South African view in films like Lethal Weapon 2 or Cry Freedom.

And also another explanation: politics are trivial to me because I lived in a Communist country for six years: that is enough torture for a lifetime and I loathe censorship of any kind.

 :smile:



In a group I belong to, which will remain nameless, a person in a position of authority and a member got involved in a name-calling scuffle over the term "all lives matter" which ended up with the member being kicked out of the group, and the rest of the group angry about it. Major drama.

I just hope that kind of thing never happens here. Talking about the issues like adults is fine, as long as it doesn't turn into personal attacks---but it ALWAYS seems to turn into personal attacks. Andrew didn't want politics on this board because he wanted to foster a certain culture.

We've survived without a major blow-up so far, but I do feel obligated to constantly step in and try to de-escalate, which is annoying to me and to everyone else. Participants want the thread so it stays open.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: voltron on July 13, 2016, 08:47:57 AM
If only Lemmy was still alive.....

Because Lemmy would support Trump and all this silliness would be over  :tongueout:


I meant Lemmy should be president if he was still alive. No way he'd support Trump cause he's very anti establishment / government / politicians. How can you not worship a guy who was in probably the best rock band ever, smoked three packs of cigarettes a day and drinks a half gallon of whiskey a day. The choice should've been obvious.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 13, 2016, 08:59:41 AM


We've survived without a major blow-up so far, but I do feel obligated to constantly step in and try to de-escalate, which is annoying to me and to everyone else. Participants want the thread so it stays open.

The problem with politics - everybody thinks they are voting for the correct thing... but only one is the correct thing.


Don't worry... My rant is never directed at the people posting on this message board.


I meant Lemmy should be president if he was still alive. No way he'd support Trump cause he's very anti establishment / government / politicians. How can you not worship a guy who was in probably the best rock band ever, smoked three packs of cigarettes a day and drinks a half gallon of whiskey a day. The choice should've been obvious.


Please note that Trump has been running the anti-establishment/government/politician ticket....

Not only that Lemmy would support Trump but Lemmy would be an awesome Judge pick or maybe secretary of state :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 13, 2016, 09:40:56 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnQJLR0WIAEt_-y.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 13, 2016, 12:32:50 PM
Dont bring Lemmy into this s**t!
Lemmy would NOT vote for Trump!
Trumps a b***h and Lemmy's a GOD-Trump the Chump wouldn't vote for Lemmy-he would be DEAD! HAHAHAHA!
One-Lemmy's British.
2.Lemmy's into Anarchy-mebbe you mistook his quasi- Nazi uniform outfits as pro-Trump?

http://youtu.be/T9ndbPUSYDQ (http://youtu.be/T9ndbPUSYDQ)

Lemmy is pro Lemmy -Rock and Roll-and he would roll Rebublicans down the street,baby! Cuz if I know anything-I KNOW MY PUNK AND METAL!  :hot:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 13, 2016, 01:48:30 PM
hell with it-this is a good place as any-the door is open,baby-
MOTORHEAD

http://youtu.be/1iwC2QljLn4 (http://youtu.be/1iwC2QljLn4)

I been to 2 Motorhead concerts-I can guarntee none of them crazy head bangers in the audiance would vote for rich b***h Trump!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 13, 2016, 01:50:33 PM
What makes ya think a severe metalhead would vote for TrumP-and-If ya ever bother to read his political views-hes far left.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 13, 2016, 01:55:03 PM
Lenny says f**k politics-god-and the devil

http://youtu.be/JEa1p7i8Lj8 (http://youtu.be/JEa1p7i8Lj8)

Lenny would tell you to f**k off!  :hot:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 13, 2016, 02:00:25 PM
It's nice how you drag a dead man into yer fold.  :thumbup:
Dont drag a good metal head into yer s**t-the man was into total anarchy!
Unless Trump is into anarchy-then I'll vote for the ass puckered mouth lookin b***h.
Yes-I'm gettin NASTY!
I'm a dam punk metalhead from waaaay back-don't drag my heros into yer slime!  :hot:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 13, 2016, 02:37:17 PM
This aint even about politics once Lemmy came into the fold-all yer f**kin politicians are b***hs-left and right-ya f**k with a metalhead-than yer f**kin.  :hatred:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 13, 2016, 02:56:31 PM
Thing is-I started this stupid thread to begin with-so-I reckon-I can run it off the f**kin RAILS!
 I dont give a flying f**k if ya like Trump-or Hillary-in the long run.
Putting Lemmy in the mix-f**k YOU!

Lemmy is HONEST-all your canidates are LIARS!
f**k TRUMP.

http://youtu.be/9CqABV6g4n4 (http://youtu.be/9CqABV6g4n4)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 13, 2016, 03:14:56 PM
Okay, Bela, you need to calm down.  Since you have apparently not been reading your own thread regularly, you did not notice the LEMMY reference was made by a metalhead friend of ours and it got legs of its own.  Not important at all.  Small potatoes. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 13, 2016, 04:30:55 PM
Okay, Bela, you need to calm down.  Since you have apparently not been reading your own thread regularly, you did not notice the LEMMY reference was made by a metalhead friend of ours and it got legs of its own.  Not important at all.  Small potatoes.  


Oh-

http://youtu.be/V3FnpaWQJO0 (http://youtu.be/V3FnpaWQJO0)

 :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 13, 2016, 07:50:41 PM
Okay, Bela, you need to calm down.  Since you have apparently not been reading your own thread regularly, you did not notice the LEMMY reference was made by a metalhead friend of ours and it got legs of its own.  Not important at all.  Small potatoes.  
Oh-
[url]http://youtu.be/V3FnpaWQJO0[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/V3FnpaWQJO0[/url])
 :teddyr:
 
"Be cool.  Don't be like, un-cool."   :lookingup: :teddyr: :bouncegiggle: (I'm quoting the dopey Countess from NYC housewives). 



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 13, 2016, 07:54:00 PM
As we stand here in July, Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate, has my vote.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 13, 2016, 08:08:40 PM
(Nevermind, I was being dumb.)
 
I'm sorry you felt the need to delete your posting.  Was it because I wrote you are "so cool"?   :teddyr: 
Thanks for the nice feedback, you can knock me anytime, but, you chose the high road.  I know there must be brains in that head.   :smile:  Somewhere...  :question:

I rarely delete, but have probably if there's no response.  Once it's witnessed, however, it's forever.  I thought what you wrote was wonderful.  Here 'tis: 

You guys remember the Moral Majority, and how instead of just not clicking on a forum, um, I mean a TV show, or seeing a movie, or reading a book, they'd protest it instead, in effect saying, I don't want to be involved in this, so I don't want you to be able to either? Instead of leaving people alone to express themselves, they'd try to be controlling and ruin other people's fun? People like that bug me. If something offends you, don't participate, and don't belittle other people who are doing something. I guess they thought they were being witty trying to control others that way. I suppose the ghost of Falwell still lives on in 2016.

([url]http://new2.fjcdn.com/gifs/It+s+not+enough_109d46_4595013.gif[/url])


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 13, 2016, 11:39:07 PM
Wait a minute-I just re-read s**t-Volton said if "only Lemmy was alive-"pro Lemmy.
Skull dragged Lemmy into Trumpville-
so yeah-
I was f**king RIGHT!
Hallows-beyond posting cats**t-look at what is being wrote,man!

that being sed-the future is bleak-aint it neat?

http://youtu.be/ZsTtuaUMEq0 (http://youtu.be/ZsTtuaUMEq0)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 14, 2016, 08:54:20 AM
~ Trumpville ~



I do like Trumpville :)

I didn't think you'd be be upset on Lemmy...  I don't even think Lemmy had voted for anything in his life... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on July 14, 2016, 09:24:31 AM
I was crushingly disappointed no one here seemed to know who President John Henry Eden was. (Or is it "will be"?) Honestly, doesn't anyone here have an inner nerd?

Eden for President. Bill the Cat for Veep. We can all go home now.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6HufzVYCg0#)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 14, 2016, 09:25:19 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnS5Q3qW8AA0Re0.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 14, 2016, 09:34:50 AM
~ Trumpville ~



I do like Trumpville :)

I didn't think you'd be be upset on Lemmy...  I don't even think Lemmy had voted for anything in his life... :)
THAT we agree on!  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 14, 2016, 09:36:52 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnS5Q3qW8AA0Re0.jpg)

 :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:

That's so funny and so damn true... (Rush was right - he called it that Sanders would endorse Hillary. I was hoping he was wrong because I really wanted to see a Trump/Sanders debate)



I was crushingly disappointed no one here seemed to know who President John Henry Eden was. (Or is it "will be"?) Honestly, doesn't anyone here have an inner nerd?

Eden for President. Bill the Cat for Veep. We can all go home now.

lol I had to look it up...

I'm wondering about the age requirements of a cat... A cat living 30+ years is freaking amazing... (or scary  :buggedout:)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 14, 2016, 08:17:10 PM
Another terror attack in France... This attack was by a Truck... I wonder if we should be talking about banning trucks instead of the obvious... Or talking about banning terror born Muslims is still not political correct...


I know I pulled my Islam rant from the God thread because I was saving it for this sort of thing... I think I'll wait for the next terror attack before I start ranting about the Holy War. *I think in a week or two I'll be the mood to post it.


*Seriously, these terror attacks are starting to be too common.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 15, 2016, 09:43:03 AM
The fun thing about the Muslim terrorism and crime in Europe is that the government is actually complicit in covering it up.

Cops ordered to remove word "rape" from reports:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/08/german-cops-we-were-ordered-to-remove-the-word-rape-from-migrant-criminal-report/ (http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/08/german-cops-we-were-ordered-to-remove-the-word-rape-from-migrant-criminal-report/)

Teachers called racist (by government officials) for warning female students about the dangers:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/german-teachers-racist-for-warning-female-students-to-avoid-refugee-men-lest-they-be-raped.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/german-teachers-racist-for-warning-female-students-to-avoid-refugee-men-lest-they-be-raped.html)

A woman, a German politician, did not report her OWN rape at the hands of an immigrant to avoid encouraging racism:

http://iotwreport.com/german-politician-kept-quiet-about-gang-rape-by-arabic-men-to-avoid-encouraging-racism/ (http://iotwreport.com/german-politician-kept-quiet-about-gang-rape-by-arabic-men-to-avoid-encouraging-racism/)

How mind-f^%$ed is that...to not report her OWN rape ... her own body sacrificed on the "Social Justice" alter.

4GW coming soon to a neighborhood near you right here in the USA.  I told ya'll about a year ago we are "at war."  Some refused to believe it.  Perhaps look up Fourth Generation Warfare.  Understand THIS war will not look like a WWII movie.

Saw a wonderful quote on Teh Twitter this morning:

"It doesn't matter if you believe in 'Us vs Them.'

'Them' does."

One candidate for President is all about appeasing the enemy even possibly actively helping them.  She's certainly received plenty of financial backing from enemy nations.  She's been accused of countless crimes, including violent felonies and what is tantamount to treason.  On the latter, the FBI stated they have a case, but weaseled out of pursuing it.  No one is buying this weaseling. 

The other candidate promises to fight this enemy, this invasion.  He might have his faults, but at least he is saying he will FIGHT our ENEMIES.

At this point, anyone that votes for Hillary Clinton in November might as well swear fealty to ISIS.  Her presidency will be essentially turning the keys of the US over the Caliphate.

Doubt me?

Ask anyone in France this morning how open immigration is working out for them.  Ask the German people.  Ask the Swedes.  Ask the Brits.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.  No one is entitled to their own facts.  The simple, fundamental FACT that exists is that Western Civilization is at war.  Denying it or hiding behind platitudes will not stop this enemy.

Trump haters need to wake up and smell reality.  Our nation, our civilization, is in a fight for its very existence.  Hate Trump all you want...but at least do so facing the reality that right now, at this point in history, he is the ONLY chance for President that at least pays lip service to a future America remotely like we have known.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 15, 2016, 10:29:31 AM
The war in Iraq was supposed to stop this. we were gonna fight them there so we didn't have to fight them here. they were going to be so impressed with our fortitude they would never attack the west again. so much for that

terrorism is built on SAUDI MONEY and WAHABI IDEOLOGY. North Korea isn't funding juche centers all over the world. there were no Iranian hijackers on the planes on 9/11. There's one nation exporting terrorism to the west and they are our major ally in the Arab world.

It's a self inflicted wound

edit: I know some of the terrorists like this latest one aren't particularly religious but wahabism is perverting Muslim society and the entire world to a lesser extent.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 15, 2016, 11:58:03 AM

At this point, anyone that votes for Hillary Clinton in November might as well swear fealty to ISIS.  Her presidency will be essentially turning the keys of the US over the Caliphate.

 :buggedout:


The most interesting thing about a Hillary Presidency is that's she's going to put Gay's and Feminist in serious danger... Yet she want's to be the protector of those groups...


Yeah, I've remember hearing about the massive rapes in Germany so it makes sense for them to sponge all this... And England did a smart move in dropping out of the EU... :)

The war in Iraq was supposed to stop this.

That's was the thought but it failed because... (and I'll post your answer)


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terrorism is built on SAUDI MONEY and WAHABI IDEOLOGY.

I would think sanctions would be a good move, but the Saudi's had spent 30 years on the global warming propaganda, therefore keeping the world's hand tied on oil dependency. There is also an issue that the terrorist do believe legitimacy of Wahabi Ideology because Saudi exist as a country (has land, collect taxes)... Well to end this would require war on Saudi soil and nobody wants to do that...

But then many after a year of WEEKLY random terror attacks people might start demanding a war in Saudi.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 15, 2016, 12:01:52 PM
Looks like Mike Pence is going to be Trump's VP...  :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on July 15, 2016, 12:10:59 PM


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terrorism is built on SAUDI MONEY and WAHABI IDEOLOGY.

I would think sanctions would be a good move, but the Saudi's had spent 30 years on the global warming propaganda, therefore keeping the world's hand tied on oil dependency. There is also an issue that the terrorist do believe legitimacy of Wahabi Ideology because Saudi exist as a country (has land, collect taxes)... Well to end this would require war on Saudi soil and nobody wants to do that...

But then many after a year of WEEKLY random terror attacks people might start demanding a war in Saudi.

Probably want to.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 15, 2016, 02:54:43 PM

The war in Iraq was supposed to stop this. we were gonna fight them there so we didn't have to fight them here. they were going to be so impressed with our fortitude they would never attack the west again. so much for that.


Fair enough.

But, the War in Iraq was never fought with the conviction to actually win a war...I say that as a slam on the political leadership, not the Marines I personally know that have been on numerous deployments each.

As soon as CNN started showing images of flag draped coffins and interviewing grieving family members, our government (as it has done since Korea in the 1950's and elevated to an art form in Vietnam in the 1960's-1970's) lost it's will to win.

And, the draw-down didn't help.  This was exacerbated completely by the withdrawal under Obama...an action he was heavily criticized for within his own administration.  Further, the Iraqi's all but BEGGED us to stay; they KNEW they weren't ready to fight the insurgency alone when we left.

We left them cold.

I know of one Iraqi soldier that has spoken to American audiences.  His story is very telling.  They trusted us.  They put their effort behind what WE said was "right" and trusted us.  Then we left them high and dry.

And guess what?  Big surprise, even the ones that were on our side, fighting the insurgency in THEIR own country...they don't trust us anymore.  That's the kind of thing that happens to friendships when you screw your friends.

So...maybe the argument "We should not have been there in the first place" is valid.  But, if the "fight 'em over there not here" thing pushed us to go then once there we should have fought to win.

You don't win wars smiling for the camera and hoping everybody likes you.  Real life ain't that nice, simple and pretty.  And now we've let a bad mess get far, far messier...

And it's HERE.

So yeah, that particular stated 'justification' for Iraq didn't work out.  But, it was our own fault...putting "politics" ahead of actually protecting the country...oddly, as our current leadership is STILL trying to do.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 15, 2016, 04:21:02 PM
Who should be the next President?

The one that has exposed 'globalism' as the ridiculous farce it is and is talking about securing the borders.

https://store.breitbart.com/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnbm9f2WIAQBgan.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 15, 2016, 05:59:49 PM
I will give George W. Bush this much credit, Ulthar, and I think you should too:

When a war-weary nation was whining for us to get out of Iraq, he sent in an additional 40,000 troops, crushed the insurrection, and left his successor a country that was stabilized and on its way to peace.
That successor cut and ran to satisfy the anti-war left that elected him, and ISIS was the result.

And Lester, I will take exception to part of what you said.  The extremist mullahs who run Iran pull the strings on Hezbollah, one of the bloodiest terror organizations there is, and they have targeted Americans before and will do so again.  So it's not ALL Saudis or Wahabis, although I will grant you they comprise the majority of terrorist actors.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 15, 2016, 07:16:53 PM
first I will say I did not know the 28 pages linking SA to 9/11 were going to be released today but wow, it certainly buttresses my point.

Ulthar- if a war effort is so fragile a newscast can upend it then it wasn't a very good idea to begin with. There were plenty of protests for the first gulf war and we won that.

I agree strongly about globalism though. globalization = cool I like learning about different things in different cultures like Banh mi sandwiches. globalism = no thanks

Indiana- when there's a major terror attack in the west do you think "Hezbollah"? My first guess is always ISIS and before that it was Al Queda.

I'm not a hezbollah fan, but they have like guys in parliament in Lebanon they aren't wired Arab kids from London who come out of a rave then fly to Syria to train in terrorism.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 15, 2016, 08:29:20 PM

I will give George W. Bush this much credit, Ulthar, and I think you should too:

When a war-weary nation was whining for us to get out of Iraq, he sent in an additional 40,000 troops, crushed the insurrection, and left his successor a country that was stabilized and on its way to peace.


Sure.  I'll grant him that.

But, I will stick to my earlier point that at no time during the war was it a full, 100% military press to win.  There was way too much energy spent on "coalition building" and giving the first rip about what the MSM here was saying.

That's been one of the Republican Party's biggest problems in the last 3 decades, by the way.  Playing the Left's game, instead of setting the rules themselves.  Look no further than the present House of Representatives (and Speaker) for evidence of that.

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That successor cut and ran to satisfy the anti-war left that elected him, and ISIS was the result.


Agreed, and as I noted above, this was against the advice he was given internally...specifically by the intelligence community.

Quote from: lester1/2jr

Ulthar- if a war effort is so fragile a newscast can upend it then it wasn't a very good idea to begin with.


I had kinda hoped that you would realize I was using a sweeping metaphor for brevity.  It wasn't "a newscast" but rather a lot of negative coverage over several years.

But yeah, on the whole, I kinda agree with what you are saying...not about it being a good idea but that the war effort was fragile.

Sorry, Indy, but a strong leader seriously out to win a war would have said, "Screw ya'll...here's what we are doing.  It's going to be messy; we are going to get our nose bloody. But, it's a fight worth fighting, and the Constitution makes ME, not ya'll, Commander in Chief.  I have the approval of Congress (yes, even Senator Clinton) so stuff it.  I winnin' this thing."

Incidentally, Obama voted FOR DoD funding during the war at least three times.  One was for $67 billion in 2006 that did pass, and two "yea" votes for nearly double that in 2007 (that did not pass). Even then, though, while voting to spend the money, he was voting against bills that did not included withdrawal timetables.

You don't win wars against determined enemies playing politics.  I'm not a big fan of FDR's politics, but I think he knew what it would take to win a major war, and I think he (mostly) conducted himself like a CiC determined to win the war he had committed his nation to.

The Iraq war?  Most of the country really didn't even know we were at war, really...except for "stories."  There was no "national effort" to win it.  No real determination to get that 'bloody nose' to win it, if that's what it took.  There has been (on both sides), far, far too much worry over political fallout and "career" consequences.

Interesting side note regarding a recent Obama Administration statistic: There are now more armed federal bureaucrats (EPA, etc) than there are US Marines.  I'll leave it as an exercise to ponder the various ways that could be significant to the near-term US future.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 15, 2016, 09:01:56 PM
I will give George W. Bush this much credit, Ulthar, and I think you should too:

When a war-weary nation was whining for us to get out of Iraq, he sent in an additional 40,000 troops, crushed the insurrection, and left his successor a country that was stabilized and on its way to peace.
That successor cut and ran to satisfy the anti-war left that elected him, and ISIS was the result. ...
 
It wasn't President BUSH who abolished the Iraqi army??? 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 16, 2016, 08:14:58 AM
allhallowsday - in his quasi defense there probably would have been some different horrible problem if he hadn't. Meanwhile, all the weapons that were in the country (albeit under UN lock and key) were looted in the first months of the war, completely defeating it's alleged purpose of stopping Saddam from arming terrorists.

It would be very simple for us to tell the Saudis to f**k off but we won't because they fund our corrupt political system to such a great extent.

A defining characteristic of our age is people acting brave about saying and doing things that require no bravery whatsoever. As Reagan said there are no easy answers but there are simple answers. When people start overlooking the former in favor of the latter we will have some progress on this stuff. Until then it's just talking points, delusions, and convenient "truths".

example: the idea that the Saudi Royals themselves aren't Wahabi cultists, they just act like it to stay in power. Where is the proof of that and what does it matter when they spend billions funding the stuff around the world? It's to make western people feel better about funding their own destruction, basically.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 16, 2016, 01:22:44 PM
I think I had read the Iraqi army veterans were left with no resources or benefits.  Either scenario doesn't bode well. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 16, 2016, 06:55:19 PM
no they were you're right. De baathification


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 17, 2016, 08:13:16 PM
Even Hillary's own staff thinks she is a 'horrible candidate:'

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/hillary-clinton-messaging-225581 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/hillary-clinton-messaging-225581)

So, we can add "insecure" to the list of things she brings to the table as a Presidential candidate, along with the various felonies and conspiracies she's been involved in over the last 2+ decades.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 18, 2016, 08:13:23 PM
As a neutral, I say this:

Donald Trump referred to my country as "a violent, hot mess": My answer is  :tongueout:

Hilary Clinton sat on her backside on 9/11/2012 and let brave Americans die in Libya: she did as much on my birthday in 2012 as GWB did on September 2001. So  :tongueout:

I like Americans: I trust the choice made in November will be a good one.

Trevor, whatever one's politics, it is incomprehensible to compare September 11, 2001 with September 11, 2012.  First, the number of lives lost on the first date remark it as the most important date in recent American history.  Second, "sat on her backside...and let brave Americans die?"  That is not accurate, but it is political and she wasn't the president.  GEORGE W. BUSH was president on September 11, 2001.  Hillary wasn't 11 years later.  You wanted this thread shut down, so why wade in at this late date and express political opinions?  And you're not even an American... :question: 

Let it go. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 18, 2016, 09:01:18 PM
Another terror attack in France... This attack was by a Truck... I wonder if we should be talking about banning trucks instead of the obvious... Or talking about banning terror born Muslims is still not political correct...


I know I pulled my Islam rant from the God thread because I was saving it for this sort of thing... I think I'll wait for the next terror attack before I start ranting about the Holy War. *I think in a week or two I'll be the mood to post it.


*Seriously, these terror attacks are starting to be too common.  :bluesad:


A teenage Afghan refugee armed with an axe and knife attacked people on a train in southern Germany...


4 freak'n days later after the Nice attack!!!!  :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hatred:



@AllHallowsday American politics is very important for Americans and Non-Americans, too...

@Trevor.... Both cases are tragic and very different. It wouldn't matter who was president in 911, the attack came out as a surprise because nobody, No CIA, No FBI, and No 00 Agent would dreamed that the hijackers would hijack the plains just to crash them into buildings.

The deaths in Benghazi was annoying because Obama/Hillary lied that the attacks was caused by a YouTube video. And worst Obama had the maker of the YouTube video arrested... From my understanding the guy is still in jail. Hillary's fault was that she had 8 months of intelligence that the Benghazi attack was going to happen and they asked for support. We got this information from Hillary's secret server. Now if she sat on her ass, or over looked it, the bother some part is that the intelligence was sent to her secret server in the basement - and it was missed - or she purposely refused to send additional guards... Either way, I don't see her fit to be President.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 18, 2016, 10:38:05 PM

A teenage Afghan refugee armed with an axe and knife attacked people on a train in southern Germany...


Now, now...you'll earn the wrath of Merkel calling him an "Afghan refugee."  How CAN you DO that?  The PC term is 'tan German.'  And apparently it wasn't an 'attack.'  Heartless, Skull, heartless.  Your offensive anti-open-borders rhetoric should get you banned from the Internet.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnsbjamVIAABu09.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 19, 2016, 05:32:51 AM

A teenage Afghan refugee armed with an axe and knife attacked people on a train in southern Germany...



Now, now...you'll earn the wrath of Merkel calling him an "Afghan refugee."  How CAN you DO that?  The PC term is 'tan German.'  And apparently it wasn't an 'attack.'  Heartless, Skull, heartless.  Your offensive anti-open-borders rhetoric should get you banned from the Internet.

([url]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnsbjamVIAABu09.jpg[/url])




lol that was funny  :cheers:


http://www.olisa.tv/2016/07/19/germany-train-attack-man-hack-several-passengers-with-axe-and-knife-and-later-shot-dead-by-police/ (http://www.olisa.tv/2016/07/19/germany-train-attack-man-hack-several-passengers-with-axe-and-knife-and-later-shot-dead-by-police/)

According to Independent UK, the attack was carried out by a 17-year-old boy who reportedly was originally from Afghanistan. Speaking with the press the Bavarian interior minister said the the boy arrived Germany as a refugee, and that during the attack, he was shouting religious mantra.

Three people were seriously hurt, and as he attempted to flee the train, the boy was shot dead by the police. The motive of the attack is yet to be ascertained.  :buggedout:


The boy with an ax, attacking passengers and shouting a religious mantra - yet the German's don't know why? This is why these attacks are so damn frequent - we have too many people not aware of the danger because of PC.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 19, 2016, 08:29:16 AM
Aaaaannnnnddddd...in quick follow-up fashion to Nice, French Mom and 3 daughters knifed by Muslim for being too scantily dressed. 

Local Prosecutor: "motive unclear." 

But hey...at least it wasn't a gun.  Right? Or a truck.  Cuz, you know...the weapon is all that matters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/19/man-stabs-french-woman-and-her-three-daughters-for-being-scantil/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/19/man-stabs-french-woman-and-her-three-daughters-for-being-scantil/)


Gooooooooo Open Borders!  Yea!  This can be OUR future, too!

Actually, no.  Go Marion Le Pen and Frexit.  Take France Back!  Make France Great Again.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 19, 2016, 09:16:46 AM
Aaaaannnnnddddd...in quick follow-up fashion to Nice, French Mom and 3 daughters knifed by Muslim for being too scantily dressed. 

Local Prosecutor: "motive unclear." 

But hey...at least it wasn't a gun.  Right? Or a truck.  Cuz, you know...the weapon is all that matters.

[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/19/man-stabs-french-woman-and-her-three-daughters-for-being-scantil/[/url] ([url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/19/man-stabs-french-woman-and-her-three-daughters-for-being-scantil/[/url])


Gooooooooo Open Borders!  Yea!  This can be OUR future, too!

Actually, no.  Go Marion Le Pen and Frexit.  Take France Back!  Make France Great Again.


Initial reports claimed the man struck because he was angered by the women being "scantily dressed," but a local prosecutor has denied this. - So blind mice trying to find out the motive that's leads to anything else but Islam...  :lookingup:

Meanwhile... An 8-year-old was rushed to hospital in Grenoble with a punctured lung... [This guy is a a***ole! I hope he chokes on his 72 raisins!]


What's sad is that these things are unreported because the acts of violence is not +20 killed... do we really NEED +20 kills to wake up?





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 19, 2016, 09:20:59 AM
Apparently, "Allahu Akbar!" is Arabic for "My motives are unclear!"


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 19, 2016, 09:31:43 AM
Apparently, "Allahu Akbar!" is Arabic for "My motives are unclear!"


:bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:

This would make an awesome bumper sticker :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 19, 2016, 10:06:33 AM

Apparently, "Allahu Akbar!" is Arabic for "My motives are unclear!"



So it would seem.  That certainly is the mantra of the current POTUS.  And his presumptive successor:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnbRrboXEAAaenm.jpg)

Quote from: Skull

What's sad is that these things are unreported because the acts of violence is not +20 killed... do we really NEED +20 kills to wake up?



You mean like the story in Bakersfield the other day where 14 teens were shot in what appears to be a drive-by at a party and the national media is essentially silent on it?

Ah, our good friend "Reporting Bias." She is a very well known, well documented fact.  "If it bleeds, it leads" is the media mantra.

This is why the pop culture image of people using firearms for self defense is 'armed crazies out to kill people.'  It's because those are the stories they hear, while the MSM conveniently ignores the 100,000's of uses of firearms that don't even involve a shot fired, much less an injury or death.  Over 90% of defensive firearm use involves no injury whatsoever, and that's only counting ones that are known about (not all are reported, even in self-reporting surveys), but the MSM doesn't see a flashy story unless someone dies (or is seriously hurt).

It's the reason behind the Climate Change "Consensus" malarkey.  There has never been a 'consensus' in the scientific community regarding Anthropogenic Global Warming.  Indeed, early in the 'discussion,' a petition was circulated essentially stating as much and it garnered well over 20,000 scientist signatories in short order.  "Consensus" has been a lie from day one, but that has not stopped the MSM from reporting only those stories that support the "illusion" of consensus.

And, that gets us back to the Ghostbusters Trailer backlash.  Another good example.  Whoever did it was deleting negative comments from the public pages concerning "bad visuals," "bad acting," "bad writing," etc, but leaving comments related to "it's got womyns in it, yuck."  So, the "media" created the message they wanted.

Anyone that takes anything said in the "main stream media" without a healthy dose of independent vetting is a fool.  And, I might add, this is one of the reasons they hate Trump so much. The don't have "control" over what he says.

Here's another fun example of how they act when they don't have 'control' of the conversation:

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAu44wVgb58#)

Note how Lemon kept on and on about "we want to have a conversation" but would not let Sheriff Clark talk?  Note how p**sed off Lemon was that he could not control the narrative?

Same reaction that give Trump.

And these are the people that are in the bag for Hillary.  Seems a bit of a puzzler (to some at least) how Trump can be SO popular and supported even with this coordinated, massive effort to discredit him.  It can't be that he really has become "The People's Choice."  Nope.  It can never be that...they can't allow the illusion of "complete support" to be broken.

Their Reporting Bias is the most powerful weapon the MSM has.  And they use it in every editorial publishing decision they make.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 19, 2016, 10:30:49 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 20, 2016, 08:58:06 AM
Oh cute.  More intellectual input into the discussion.  Always welcome!   :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 20, 2016, 10:08:40 AM
Oh cute.  More intellectual input into the discussion.  Always welcome!   :cheers:

I was able to listen to Ben Carson last night... Boy he tore the never trumper's a new a***ole! Basically he said a no vote for Trump is a vote for Lucifer (aka Hillary/Saul Alinsky)... Though, I feel it's a little late because Obama also agrees with Saul Alinsky; and almost all the problems we are having follows the 'Rules for Radicals' line by line...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 20, 2016, 01:25:28 PM

http://youtu.be/Wh1wctQNKRM


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 20, 2016, 02:28:07 PM

[url]http://youtu.be/Wh1wctQNKRM[/url]


LOL Rush was just talking about it and playing sound bites of the so called Plagiarized speech. Then he played sounds bites of Michelle Obama's speech and Elizabeth Dole's speech. Seemed that Michelle stole Elizabeth's words - but the truth is the words that all 3 women were common words that had a narrow expression. This is as much as plagiarism as if one can claim the Texas Chain Saw Massacre 2 chain saw fight was plagiarizing the chain saw fight in Motel Hell.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 20, 2016, 04:24:24 PM

{video of speech}


And, the truth will set you free:

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/07/trump-shows-loyalty-again.html


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 20, 2016, 09:39:31 PM
{video of speech}

And, the truth will set you free:
[url]https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/07/trump-shows-loyalty-again.html[/url] ([url]https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/07/trump-shows-loyalty-again.html[/url])
 
Which TRUTH would that be?   I thought the clip was funny.  

Hmm.  I do think it's interesting that the TRUMP campaign wants to put to bed a distracting story.  Apparently this person confessing her error will be retained by TRUMP and suffer no repercussions.  I admire loyalty above no other human capacity.  Perhaps we witness ownership.  Perhaps we witness the evolution of a candidate, embracing his own persona, yet... heeding advice.  
There is much to consider.  Such a perspective is unworthy of thought?  

(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/092014/1410082237_cat_pooping_in_the_toilet_fail.gif)



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 20, 2016, 10:32:54 PM

[url]http://youtu.be/Wh1wctQNKRM[/url]


LOL Rush was just talking about it and playing sound bites of the so called Plagiarized speech. Then he played sounds bites of Michelle Obama's speech and Elizabeth Dole's speech. Seemed that Michelle stole Elizabeth's words - but the truth is the words that all 3 women were common words that had a narrow expression. This is as much as plagiarism as if one can claim the Texas Chain Saw Massacre 2 chain saw fight was plagiarizing the chain saw fight in Motel Hell.

Uhm... it wasn't plagiarizing... as you well know.  The chain saw fight in MOTEL HELL...was spoofing TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE.  


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 21, 2016, 06:16:13 AM

[url]http://youtu.be/Wh1wctQNKRM[/url]


LOL Rush was just talking about it and playing sound bites of the so called Plagiarized speech. Then he played sounds bites of Michelle Obama's speech and Elizabeth Dole's speech. Seemed that Michelle stole Elizabeth's words - but the truth is the words that all 3 women were common words that had a narrow expression. This is as much as plagiarism as if one can claim the Texas Chain Saw Massacre 2 chain saw fight was plagiarizing the chain saw fight in Motel Hell.

Uhm... it wasn't plagiarizing... as you well know.  The chain saw fight in MOTEL HELL...was spoofing TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE.  



Yeah... but Motel Hell was the first with dualing chain saw fights.






Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 21, 2016, 11:01:22 AM
WOW Ted Cruz is such a baby. If Ted Cruz cannot handle the mud from Trump; than how the hell can we (the American Voter) expect Ted Cruz could handle the mud from Hillary. Anybody thinks Hillary is not going to get dirtier is day dreaming.

And right now - Trump is correct - Lying Ted... :D


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 21, 2016, 03:28:59 PM
I don't care for Cruz that much, but personally, I wanted to hug him.
He was unwilling to sell his soul to this horrible demagogue my party has embraced.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 21, 2016, 07:47:19 PM
I think Ross Perot was a better Trump, if that makes sense. I like Trump's anti NATO stuff though.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 21, 2016, 08:12:09 PM
I don't care for Cruz that much, but personally, I wanted to hug him.
He was unwilling to sell his soul to this horrible demagogue my party has embraced.



I'm not sure what was the point of Cruz's speech.

1 - if Cruz didn't show up... Trump looks good and Cruz looks like a crybaby but his political career was not over.  Trump wins.

2 - if Cruz did show up and supported Trump... Both men look good. Trump wins and Cruz wins.

3 - What Cruz had done in the speech... Cruz looks like a whining little b***h.  Cruz is now unlike and has no political career. Trump wins.

The only thing that annoyed me about Cruz is that he was assumed to be the next Reagan now he's nothing.


I did like Cruz but he seemed to hold his personal affairs at a higher standard than the needs of the American people (No vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary). Supporting Trump don't mean - licking Trump's toe jam! So I don't know what the F he's b***hing about.


I do agree with Rush. Rush pointed out that the other republican's will start to think twice on not supporting Trump because Cruz was booed off the stage; and it looked really ugly.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: HappyGilmore on July 21, 2016, 09:20:00 PM
I'm sorry but backing Hilary is a terrible idea, and Trump's even f*cking worse.

Either of them in charge, we've got WW3.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 22, 2016, 05:27:19 AM
I'm sorry but backing Hilary is a terrible idea, and Trump's even f*cking worse.

Either of them in charge, we've got WW3.

I agree-Trump is a fearmonger-he's got an itchy trigger finger.
And Hillary will just let Isis run wild. Sigh.  :bluesad: Ah well-I always wanted to see how cool it would look to see thousands of IBM trails zooming overhead.
That would be a sight!  :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 22, 2016, 08:25:14 AM
I'm sorry but backing Hilary is a terrible idea, and Trump's even f*cking worse.

Either of them in charge, we've got WW3.

I agree-Trump is a fearmonger-he's got an itchy trigger finger.
And Hillary will just let Isis run wild. Sigh.  :bluesad: Ah well-I always wanted to see how cool it would look to see thousands of IBM trails zooming overhead.
That would be a sight!  :cheers:

Yeah, I remember when Reagan was running for president and everybody thought we were looking at World War 3, too...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 22, 2016, 08:54:51 AM
I'm sorry but backing Hilary is a terrible idea, and Trump's even f*cking worse.

Either of them in charge, we've got WW3.

I agree-Trump is a fearmonger-he's got an itchy trigger finger.
And Hillary will just let Isis run wild. Sigh.  :bluesad: Ah well-I always wanted to see how cool it would look to see thousands of IBM trails zooming overhead.
That would be a sight!  :cheers:

Yeah, I remember when Reagan was running for president and everybody thought we were looking at World War 3, too...

Hey-one can always hope...! :drink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 22, 2016, 09:03:44 AM

Hey-one can always hope...! :drink:

Drink and Enjoy, the roller-coaster ride has just started :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 22, 2016, 10:01:25 AM
Trump is far more of a threat to the DC pro war consensus than Hillary. Every day on my twitter feed ex Bush/ Iraq war guys bellyache about him. Especially about how he wants better relations with Russia, who they all hate for some reason.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/07/21/trump-enrages-war-party/ (http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/07/21/trump-enrages-war-party/)

"Trump Enrages the War Party"


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 22, 2016, 10:09:14 AM
Here's my prediction, and we are going to have to wait for about 2020 to see if I'm right:

After Trump wins the Presidency, all the 'doom and gloom' forecasts are shown, by what actually happens during his Presidency, to be pure and utter pontificating horse feces.

Just like pretty much the predictions made by every political pundit / talking head out there, such as, but not limited to:

(a) Liberalization of the laws against guns in an area will cause  "Blood in the streets! Gun Violence will go UP!"

Proven wrong so many times it takes a special kind of stupid to make that statement now, after over 20 years of active research showing it's a wrong assumption / forecast.

(b) Anthropogenic Global Warming  

I'll leave these here:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/global-warming-predictions-proven-wrong-97-4-time/ (http://www.westernjournalism.com/global-warming-predictions-proven-wrong-97-4-time/)

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/18888-embarrassing-predictions-haunt-the-global-warming-industry (http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/18888-embarrassing-predictions-haunt-the-global-warming-industry)

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/02/the-big-list-of-failed-climate-predictions/ (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/02/the-big-list-of-failed-climate-predictions/)

(c) The GOP won't let Trump have the nomination

Well, I think we see how that worked out.

(d) Bernie can beat Hillary in the primaries.

So, what's the common theme with ALL these 'predictions?'

They are promulgated by those with decidedly left-authoritarian leaning sources...D or R.  

So, you will forgive me as I look at the big picture surrounding all this press, all the discussion, all the ire (against Trump) and all the pearl clutching and pronounce my OWN conclusion based on the data in front of me:

The already discredited whiners that try to predict the future are once again going to have to eat the words of their predictions.  They are WRONG about everything else, so the safe money is that they are DEAD WRONG about Trump as well.

Your mileage may vary.  I don't care, but that's MY prediction.  Let's meet back here in 5 years and see who was right.  You know, just for grins.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 22, 2016, 10:14:55 AM
Trump is far more of a threat to the DC pro war consensus than Hillary. Every day on my twitter feed ex Bush/ Iraq war guys bellyache about him. Especially about how he wants better relations with Russia, who they all hate for some reason.

[url]http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/07/21/trump-enrages-war-party/[/url] ([url]http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/07/21/trump-enrages-war-party/[/url])

"Trump Enrages the War Party"


Of course they hate him.  He is threatening their cash cow...globalist justifications to be at war everywhere on the planet.

By attacking globalism, he's directly threatening the Military Industrial Complex that supports globalism.  There's a crap ton of money that flows through that 'system.'

The key problem is that up until this year, the Republican party has been so aligned with corrupt, cancerous ideologies that something had to snap.  And Trump snapped it.

Trump has upset their apple cart, and they are p**sed.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 22, 2016, 04:30:40 PM
3 days later and another terror attack...

 :cheers: for the open border people...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 22, 2016, 07:15:45 PM
... Let's meet back here in 5 years and see who was right.  You know, just for grins.
Lord knows.  You need to be right.   :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 22, 2016, 07:35:54 PM

Lord knows.  You need to be right.   :teddyr:



Well, you tell me...does it hurt to be wrong so often?    :twirl:

I don't "need" to be right.  That's your own projection.  As a matter of fact, I admit when I'm wrong quite often ... including just this morning on another site I frequent.  Even been know to admit such to my wife and children.  It's funny how it works when one is intellectually honest.  I have a lot to learn in this life, and never have pretended I don't.  But that does not mean I'm starting from a baseline of "Zero" either.

I'm far less invested in being 'right' than you can imagine.  I care about the truth.  The problem is, people like me that speak up for "truth" get tossed little quips that attack our character for doing just that.  "The truth" has become anathema in this society, and I find that beyond repugnant.

By the way, back on topic:  how are the leaked DNC emails proving me wrong regarding what I've said about media bias.

Oh yeah, they're not.  It has now been publicly shown the DNC and the MSM have been in bed with each other to degree of corruption and quite possibly the commission of actual crimes.

Didn't you have another irrelevant dumb cat video to post?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 22, 2016, 08:20:24 PM

Lord knows.  You need to be right.   :teddyr:



Well, you tell me...does it hurt to be wrong so often?    :twirl:

I don't "need" to be right.  That's your own projection.  As a matter of fact, I admit when I'm wrong quite often ... including just this morning on another site I frequent.  Even been know to admit such to my wife and children.  It's funny how it works when one is intellectually honest.  I have a lot to learn in this life, and never have pretended I don't.  But that does not mean I'm starting from a baseline of "Zero" either.

I'm far less invested in being 'right' than you can imagine.  I care about the truth.  The problem is, people like me that speak up for "truth" get tossed little quips that attack our character for doing just that.  "The truth" has become anathema in this society, and I find that beyond repugnant.

By the way, back on topic:  how are the leaked DNC emails proving me wrong regarding what I've said about media bias.

Oh yeah, they're not.  It has now been publicly shown the DNC and the MSM have been in bed with each other to degree of corruption and quite possibly the commission of actual crimes.

Didn't you have another irrelevant dumb cat video to post?
I am sick and tired of debating the policys of the canidates-I think your all f**ked-you think the world is an oyster. Ok Crack it open-dick in-power hungry f**kers
BUT-Yer opinons on global warming are so SO f**king-40% of the North Ice is GONE.
Do you really think that us making more pollutants is gonna help this country? ARE YOU INSANE??
SCIENTISTS-real ones!-Say it's so-not yer website bulls**t.-Yeh-Im gonna believe a website before SCIENCE. I thought you had brains.
Global Warming should not be political-but it is-because rich oil f**kers wanna do more. A child could see that. OIL+MONEY+POWER.
If we move from oil-are you kidding?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 22, 2016, 08:27:28 PM
Ulthar-I hate to say it-yer a LEMMING-if it's cool-and fits yer idea-a really weird idea-of American Nationalism-(gee-German Nationalism-SAME THING)
If ya get too Red White and Blue-thats Nationlism.
Thats NAZISM.
Wanna join the Michigan Militia?-I did-when i was stupid. In 1994.
Don't come crawling out of yer geek whole acting like some kinda political smug genuis.
 YOU DONT KNOW s**t.
yer so smug.  :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 22, 2016, 09:32:17 PM
Ulthar-I hate to say it-yer a LEMMING-if it's cool-and fits yer idea-a really weird idea-of American Nationalism-(gee-German Nationalism-SAME THING)
If ya get too Red White and Blue-thats Nationlism.
Thats NAZISM.
Wanna join the Michigan Militia?-I did-when i was stupid. In 1994.
Don't come crawling out of yer geek whole acting like some kinda political smug genuis.
 YOU DONT KNOW s**t.
yer so smug.  :lookingup:

Wow...what a heap ton of Straw Men and Non Sequiturs.

Have another drink, Ronnie.  Your ignorance of reality is showing again.

All you do is fling insults at people you disagree with, and everyone here laps it up because you are "colorful."  But here's a tip for you...that's not debate, discussion or conversation.

It seems like you think calling people "Nazi" makes you look smart and they will back down.  You'll have to do better than that, though.  Bring some actual knowledge or understanding to the conversation or stay out of it.  Refute something I've said with facts and we'll see where it goes. 

Go ahead.  Offer some facts to challenge something I said, and we'll bat it around.  But, I seem to remember in a discussion about the Salem Witch Trials you actually said historical facts and analysis don't mean anything to you.  Those pesky things just get in the way of your colorfully stated opinions.  And calling people Nazi.

You started this flame bait thread, and I'm willing to bet a buck or two it was for just this purpose...so you could pass out the Nazi label a few times.  I think calling people "Nazi" gives you a secret thrill for some reason.  How many times you used that term, here, huh?  It's been more than once.  I know it's several times been aimed at me. 

I know, I know...how DARE I disagree you, uh?  That MUST make me a Nazi, right?  That's how it works.

Law #3 demonstrated once again: SJW's Always Project.

Now, show us Law #2 and Double Right on Down.  I love it.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 22, 2016, 10:04:19 PM
Ulthar-I hate to say it-yer a LEMMING-if it's cool-and fits yer idea-a really weird idea-of American Nationalism-(gee-German Nationalism-SAME THING)
If ya get too Red White and Blue-thats Nationlism.
Thats NAZISM.
Wanna join the Michigan Militia?-I did-when i was stupid. In 1994.
Don't come crawling out of yer geek whole acting like some kinda political smug genuis.
 YOU DONT KNOW s**t.
yer so smug.  :lookingup:

Wow...what a heap ton of Straw Men and Non Sequiturs.

Have another drink, Ronnie.  Your ignorance of reality is showing again.

All you do is fling insults at people you disagree with, and everyone here laps it up because you are "colorful."  But here's a tip for you...that's not debate, discussion or conversation.

It seems like you think calling people "Nazi" makes you look smart and they will back down.  You'll have to do better than that, though.  Bring some actual knowledge or understanding to the conversation or stay out of it.  Refute something I've said with facts and we'll see where it goes.  

Go ahead.  Offer some facts to challenge something I said, and we'll bat it around.  But, I seem to remember in a discussion about the Salem Witch Trials you actually said historical facts and analysis don't mean anything to you.  Those pesky things just get in the way of your colorfully stated opinions.  And calling people Nazi.

You started this flame bait thread, and I'm willing to bet a buck or two it was for just this purpose...so you could pass out the Nazi label a few times.  I think calling people "Nazi" gives you a secret thrill for some reason.  How many times you used that term, here, huh?  It's been more than once.  I know it's several times been aimed at me.  

I know, I know...how DARE I disagree you, uh?  That MUST make me a Nazi, right?  That's how it works.

Law #3 demonstrated once again: SJW's Always Project.

Now, show us Law #2 and Double Right on Down.  I love it.
Y'know Ulthar, I did not read all that you wrote (yet) but I must respond that I am surprised at you.  You, our friend, are not "drinking" and some postings do not merit response.  Go back 4 or 5  pages and you will see an example of what I assert without explaining.  I believe that that old adage "Never discuss religion or politics" is true.  

We are all friends.  


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on July 22, 2016, 10:08:51 PM
Monica's ex boyfriend's wife just picked a veep who's trying to restore blanket voting rights to rapists, child molesters, killers, & every other breed of ex felon. :hatred: I live in that commonwealth of confusion. :hatred:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 22, 2016, 11:44:15 PM
Ulthar-I hate to say it-yer a LEMMING-if it's cool-and fits yer idea-a really weird idea-of American Nationalism-(gee-German Nationalism-SAME THING)
If ya get too Red White and Blue-thats Nationlism.
Thats NAZISM.
Wanna join the Michigan Militia?-I did-when i was stupid. In 1994.
Don't come crawling out of yer geek whole acting like some kinda political smug genuis.
 YOU DONT KNOW s**t.
yer so smug.  :lookingup:

Wow...what a heap ton of Straw Men and Non Sequiturs.

Have another drink, Ronnie.  Your ignorance of reality is showing again.

All you do is fling insults at people you disagree with, and everyone here laps it up because you are "colorful."  But here's a tip for you...that's not debate, discussion or conversation.

It seems like you think calling people "Nazi" makes you look smart and they will back down.  You'll have to do better than that, though.  Bring some actual knowledge or understanding to the conversation or stay out of it.  Refute something I've said with facts and we'll see where it goes. 

Go ahead.  Offer some facts to challenge something I said, and we'll bat it around.  But, I seem to remember in a discussion about the Salem Witch Trials you actually said historical facts and analysis don't mean anything to you.  Those pesky things just get in the way of your colorfully stated opinions.  And calling people Nazi.

You started this flame bait thread, and I'm willing to bet a buck or two it was for just this purpose...so you could pass out the Nazi label a few times.  I think calling people "Nazi" gives you a secret thrill for some reason.  How many times you used that term, here, huh?  It's been more than once.  I know it's several times been aimed at me. 

I know, I know...how DARE I disagree you, uh?  That MUST make me a Nazi, right?  That's how it works.

Law #3 demonstrated once again: SJW's Always Project.

Now, show us Law #2 and Double Right on Down.  I love it.

Well golly gee whilickers-seems I hit a nerve. :twirl:
Ouch! Truth hurts.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 22, 2016, 11:46:56 PM
Yup-Im a loud mouth guy flaming-sound familiar?  :tongueout:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 22, 2016, 11:49:23 PM
...

Well golly gee whilickers-seems I hit a nerve. :twirl:
Ouch! Truth hurts.
 

 :bouncegiggle:  :bouncegiggle:   :smile:   :bouncegiggle:   :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 23, 2016, 02:00:37 AM
Flat out-Hilllary is politics-BAD politics-Trump is a really bad actor-Really bad.
Were f**ked. :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 23, 2016, 05:41:37 AM


Well golly gee whilickers-seems I hit a nerve. :twirl:
Ouch! Truth hurts.


Prediction:  You'd Double Down.

Actual Action: You Doubled Down.

Still zero facts and actual arguments, eh?  Just more weak attempts at goading?  More trying to make the discussion personal?

I love it.  SJW types are so predictable.  Every single time.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 23, 2016, 06:08:06 AM

Y'know Ulthar, I did not read all that you wrote (yet) but I must respond that I am surprised at you.  You, our friend, are not "drinking" and some postings do not merit response.  Go back 4 or 5  pages and you will see an example of what I assert without explaining.  I believe that that old adage "Never discuss religion or politics" is true.  

We are all friends.
  

I'm not so sure that last sentence is really true at this point.  See, all that's happened in this thread is when I make a point (usually a factually based one), out comes the calvary telling me I need to back off.  Sorry, but that is garbage. 

The only time you come out to "call me out" is when I've called BS exactly what it is, such as Ronnie's little "Nazi" tirades.

So, yeah...the world (those that read these pages anyway) can read what's going on.  I've attacked no person.  I've called no one a Nazi or anything remotely like that.  The Thought and Speech Police don't like it when opinions are challenged and out comes the attempts at shaming into silence.

As I said...predictable.

If you don't like what I write, ignore me, just like I do most of your comments and 99% of Ronnie's.  I'll debate Lester and Indy and anyone else that cares to have a real discussion, but I'm not going to stop saying my part just because YOU don't like it.

Back On Topic:

Hillary is done as a serious candidate, and everyone knows it.  Yesterday's wikileaks leaks were, or should be at least, the nail in the coffin.  Her entire political career has been one of corruption, deception and criminal acts. It has all been exposed, from Whitewater, to Benghazi, to the emails and now whatever involvement in this newest wave of scandal turns out to be.

Actually, she never should have been a serious candidate for the President of the United States in the first place while under active investigation by the FBI.

The title of this thread is "Who should be the next President?"  Well, it sure as the world exists should not be Hillary Clinton.  That she is/was someone's idea of "the best choice" is, quite frankly, very scary to ponder.

We can sit around gripe about "both suck" and all that, or we can face the reality that this election comes down to two electable candidates: Clinton and Trump.  Whining about how we wish the world to be won't change the way it actually is.  This is objective reality as it is right now: Either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will be the next President of the United States.

On that note...I suggest reading the wikileaks leaked emails or watch Trey Gowdy question Comey on the Hillary investigation or go see the movie "Clinton Cash."  And ask that conscience, "What can I live with?"


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 23, 2016, 07:18:02 AM


Well golly gee whilickers-seems I hit a nerve. :twirl:
Ouch! Truth hurts.


Prediction:  You'd Double Down.

Actual Action: You Doubled Down.

Still zero facts and actual arguments, eh?  Just more weak attempts at goading?  More trying to make the discussion personal?

I love it.  SJW types are so predictable.  Every single time.
Yer "proof" and "arguments" are crap you read on pro Trump internet sites-yeah.  :lookingup:
I have 2 eyes and a brain of my own. I think for myself-I am not a lemming-walk into the sea,man-have fun.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 23, 2016, 07:35:22 AM
Wheres Skull? He's fun to debate-Ulthar is too much of a fanatic.

Politics are a touchy thing-I'm sorry I started this topic-but if I didn't I'm sure someone else would have.
Check out the heated debates here in 2008-Cheezeflix and Indy and me and Menard went hot and heavy-and me and Indy are still buddies-Indy is one of the best men on this board,I think.
Ulthar-I apologize-I get involved in a political debate-just like canidates-except there worse-Trump and Cruze rivalry was shockingly personal and in bad taste-good god-you actually want this guy to rule the free world? Dam-I couldnt even tolerate his stupid TV show!  :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 23, 2016, 08:04:27 AM
Wheres Skull? He's fun to debate...

Thanks... I've been busy smashing a castle and plotting a new book.

The last thing I've posted here was:

4 days later and a new terror attack. Looks like an An 18-year-old German-Iranian gunman killed 9 or 10 people yesterday... I know this was another Islamic terror attack; Germany is trying to be PC here... and once again, how are those open borders people feeling about Islam? Maybe I'll ask this question in another couple of days...


As for Trump - he rocked!

The only thing got me wondering was where was all that rioting? I swear they made the convention sound like it's going to be the 1990's LA riots. All I was was 5 people put a tiny wall around Trump's walk of fame marker. 5 people and that's news...  :lookingup:

I'm excited to see what Hillary does, or try to do...Though I'll hear it from Breitbart, Rush, maybe Hannity....

Quote
Politics are a touchy thing-I'm sorry I started this topic-but if I didn't I'm sure someone else would have.

Don't be sorry. Actually it's a good thing you posted it because we would have a million of tiny threads and it's way too much Cat Pooping in Toilets to go thru.

Politics is always heated. People want to believe they are making the right choice and calling such and such a Nazi (without proof) is an attack on the supporters character.

If Trump is a Nazi - please show us proof.

I posted proof on why I believe Obama's words got 11 police officers killed - yes words do mean something (all Obama had to say the truth of Michael Brown shooting and Black Lives Matter would not exist and nobody would be hunting policemen). If John Lennon knew that his words 'Beatles is bigger than Jesus' would had killed him, I think he would had changed his speech.


If we looked at prism of Nazi Germany then we are to assume the Muslims are playing the role of the Jews. But in the 1930's the Jew were not bombing, shooting or driving cars into innocent Germans. So this is a failed comparison. We are not even talking about sending the Muslims in camps...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 23, 2016, 08:26:07 AM
Wheres Skull? He's fun to debate...

Thanks... I've been busy smashing a castle and plotting a new book.

The last thing I've posted here was:

4 days later and a new terror attack. Looks like an An 18-year-old German-Iranian gunman killed 9 or 10 people yesterday... I know this was another Islamic terror attack; Germany is trying to be PC here... and once again, how are those open borders people feeling about Islam? Maybe I'll ask this question in another couple of days...


As for Trump - he rocked!

The only thing got me wondering was where was all that rioting? I swear they made the convention sound like it's going to be the 1990's LA riots. All I was was 5 people put a tiny wall around Trump's walk of fame marker. 5 people and that's news...  :lookingup:

I'm excited to see what Hillary does, or try to do...Though I'll hear it from Breitbart, Rush, maybe Hannity....

Quote
Politics are a touchy thing-I'm sorry I started this topic-but if I didn't I'm sure someone else would have.

Don't be sorry. Actually it's a good thing you posted it because we would have a million of tiny threads and it's way too much Cat Pooping in Toilets to go thru.

Politics is always heated. People want to believe they are making the right choice and calling such and such a Nazi (without proof) is an attack on the supporters character.

If Trump is a Nazi - please show us proof.

I posted proof on why I believe Obama's words got 11 police officers killed - yes words do mean something (all Obama had to say the truth of Michael Brown shooting and Black Lives Matter would not exist and nobody would be hunting policemen). If John Lennon knew that his words 'Beatles is bigger than Jesus' would had killed him, I think he would had changed his speech.


If we looked at prism of Nazi Germany then we are to assume the Muslims are playing the role of the Jews. But in the 1930's the Jew were not bombing, shooting or driving cars into innocent Germans. So this is a failed comparison. We are not even talking about sending the Muslims in camps...


No-Muslims are not the Jews. lotsa muslims are crazy ass basterds-but not all-that is the problem-sorting them out is like sorting the wheat from the chaff-it's hard. But I can't condone punishing all for the few. FDR did- he did horrible things-Japanese interment camps-letting Pearl Harbor happen without warning folks-bad s**t. When I'm sober-which I am now-I think-truthfully-that Trump's big ideas are just that. Most of his  radical policies will never go threw congress. And It will polarize the nation-and make it stagnet. And now-I don't think Hillary is any better-she's an irresponsible liar and I think she's just power hungry. Is Trump a Nazi?
No-but he has a Hitler type effect-people are entranced with his seemingly common man rhetoric (and hes a billionaire!) and fall under his spell.
Hitler spoke to the common man as well-and he was a common man-not a phoney. Actually-Hitler was more honest-and more evil.
So yer right-Trump is not a Nazi-I threw that word around to much-very wrong.
He's a Hitler type mesmerizer.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 23, 2016, 08:33:05 AM
side note-folks still listen to Rush Limburger? Dam.  :buggedout:
I prefer the madness of George Noory's ufo rants on Coast to Coast AM.  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 23, 2016, 10:10:21 AM
"5 Biggest Scoops from the #DNCleaks WikiLeak":

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/07/22/5-biggest-scoops-from-the-dncleaks-wikileak/ (http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/07/22/5-biggest-scoops-from-the-dncleaks-wikileak/)

Summary:

  • Chuck Todd of NBC is bossed around by DNC Chair Debra Wasserman.
  • Hillary has to pay people to support her.
  • Protests that the media cover are not real. The “protesters” are a bunch of interns.
  • The Washington Post hosts joint fundraisers with the DNC.
  • The Democratic primary was rigged.

Getting ready for the Democrap Convention next week...should be a fun one.  Lies, spin and hatred of freedom makes for some entertaining television.

It'll be great to see if any speaker even tries to address leaked evidence of collusion between the party and the press and corruption in trying to make her following look bigger than it really is.

Oh, and to add to the fuel...wikileaks has announced this first release is just the beginning.  Hillary's campaign is a sunk ship.

Either Hillary or Trump will be the next President.  Vote your conscience when you enter the voting booth in November.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 23, 2016, 10:50:01 AM
"5 Biggest Scoops from the #DNCleaks WikiLeak":

[url]http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/07/22/5-biggest-scoops-from-the-dncleaks-wikileak/[/url] ([url]http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/07/22/5-biggest-scoops-from-the-dncleaks-wikileak/[/url])

Summary:

  • Chuck Todd of NBC is bossed around by DNC Chair Debra Wasserman.
  • Hillary has to pay people to support her.
  • Protests that the media cover are not real. The “protesters” are a bunch of interns.
  • The Washington Post hosts joint fundraisers with the DNC.
  • The Democratic primary was rigged.

Getting ready for the Democrap Convention next week...should be a fun one.  Lies, spin and hatred of freedom makes for some entertaining television.

It'll be great to see if any speaker even tries to address leaked evidence of collusion between the party and the press and corruption in trying to make her following look bigger than it really is.

Oh, and to add to the fuel...wikileaks has announced this first release is just the beginning.  Hillary's campaign is a sunk ship.

Either Hillary or Trump will be the next President.  Vote your conscience when you enter the voting booth in November.

Boy-yer such a fanatic.
"Democrap"-funny!  :thumbup:
Loosin up man-take a chill pill.
Do you jerk off to Trump at night.
Get a life-because Trump wont give you one-if yer rich and hate minorities.
Yer Repulican God Reagn would beat his ass for such s**t,


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 23, 2016, 03:31:13 PM
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Don't be sorry. Actually it's a good thing you posted it because we would have a million of tiny threads and it's way too much Cat Pooping in Toilets to go thru...
Gee, you said they were fun.  You said.  You said. 

...
I posted proof on why I believe Obama's words got 11 police officers killed - yes words do mean something (all Obama had to say the truth of Michael Brown shooting and Black Lives Matter would not exist and nobody would be hunting policemen).
:question: One need not post "proof" of something one believes.  We believe you believe, you don't have to prove you believe.   :tongueout:

If John Lennon knew that his words 'Beatles is bigger than Jesus' would had killed him, I think he would had changed his speech...
:question:  What does any of that mean?  JOHN LENNON made his remark about Jesus in 1966.  He was murdered in 1980.  The two incidents are unconnected.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 23, 2016, 06:31:34 PM
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Don't be sorry. Actually it's a good thing you posted it because we would have a million of tiny threads and it's way too much Cat Pooping in Toilets to go thru...
Gee, you said they were fun.  You said.  You said.  

...
I posted proof on why I believe Obama's words got 11 police officers killed - yes words do mean something (all Obama had to say the truth of Michael Brown
If John Lennon knew that his words 'Beatles is bigger than Jesus' would had killed him, I think he would had changed his speech...
:question:  What does any of that mean?  JOHN LENNON made his remark about Jesus in 1966.  He was murdered in 1980.  The two incidents are unconnected.

Lennon and Chapman> Are you f**kin serious?
So-yer logic.Lennon should have shut his mouth in 66-so f**ked up nut job wouldnt kill him years later?
REALLY?
Thats the stupidist thing I ever heard.

 All politics is lie-Trump is good at lying-he talks like an idiot to idiots-which any backwoods hillbilly loves-I know-I see pickups with confederate flags driven by methhead toothless hillbillys with Trump bumber stickers.
Ye ha
I hope he wins-he will f**k you on every promise he made .Aint  no thinking man could go with that. Its all dumb down s**t, .THINK! Dont be a lemming!
Think for yerself! Dont let these morons with nice rhetoric suck you in-please,my freInds. PLEASE.
PS-read a book-all yer s**t is from the f**kin internet-read a history book-gee-educate yerself. Books are GOOD! Dont fall for a pretty face with a big mouth-and no real ideas.
 Sadly this country has been run by rich liars for decades.  :bluesad:
 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 23, 2016, 07:01:42 PM

 :question:  What does any of that mean?  JOHN LENNON made his remark about Jesus in 1966.  He was murdered in 1980.  The two incidents are unconnected.


Mark David Chapman stalked and killed John Lennon because Lennon made the remark about Jesus. The two are connected.

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He had been a big Beatles fan, idolizing Lennon, and played guitar himself, but turned against him after becoming a Christian; he was angered at Lennon's comment that the Beatles were "more popular than Jesus."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_David_Chapman#Plan_to_murder_John_Lennon





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 23, 2016, 07:03:18 PM
side note-folks still listen to Rush Limburger? Dam.  :buggedout:
I prefer the madness of George Noory's ufo rants on Coast to Coast AM.  :wink:


I've been listening since 1989 or 1990... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 23, 2016, 07:07:01 PM
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Don't be sorry. Actually it's a good thing you posted it because we would have a million of tiny threads and it's way too much Cat Pooping in Toilets to go thru...
Gee, you said they were fun.  You said.  You said. 

I do think they are funny... but I like to see something more than silly cat poop... maybe a cat falling in the toilet :D


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 23, 2016, 07:13:29 PM

 :question:  What does any of that mean?  JOHN LENNON made his remark about Jesus in 1966.  He was murdered in 1980.  The two incidents are unconnected.


Mark David Chapman stalked and killed John Lennon because Lennon made the remark about Jesus. The two are connected.

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He had been a big Beatles fan, idolizing Lennon, and played guitar himself, but turned against him after becoming a Christian; he was angered at Lennon's comment that the Beatles were "more popular than Jesus."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_David_Chapman#Plan_to_murder_John_Lennon




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So Lennon should deserved to die? THATS INSANE.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 23, 2016, 07:28:59 PM
free yerself-=he will lose-betcha 10 dollars!
Cmon man-lets make this a ten dollar bet-Ill man up, :thumbup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 23, 2016, 08:15:30 PM
the DNC leaks is slightly better than these leaks usually are which isn't saying much. wikileaks has long been victim to what I call the Al Capone's vaults effect. that's not to say awful stuff doesn't happen at the DNC but they probably don't communicate it via email.


The take from the Bushies and democrats on this is whats interesting to me: that Trump and wikileaks are somehow affiliated with Russia.

 some of the older board members might remember when that accusation was thrown around (sometimes accurately, usually not) by the other side. crazy to hear it coming up again. I really doubt Donald trump is coordinating with wikileaks and/or Putin.


If people hate Trump that's certainly okay. I think the media have signaled though that they are going to be trying to stop him and the DNC leaks indicate the way they are most likely to do it is to help Hillary.

If you don't like Trump you may think "great" but heres the thing : it won't work. it will end up being counterproductive because people will figure it out.

also none of this would be nececcary if the democrats had nominated someone who didn't need help to win.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 23, 2016, 08:18:06 PM

 :question:  What does any of that mean?  JOHN LENNON made his remark about Jesus in 1966.  He was murdered in 1980.  The two incidents are unconnected.
Mark David Chapman stalked and killed John Lennon because Lennon made the remark about Jesus. The two are connected.
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He had been a big Beatles fan, idolizing Lennon, and played guitar himself, but turned against him after becoming a Christian; he was angered at Lennon's comment that the Beatles were "more popular than Jesus."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_David_Chapman#Plan_to_murder_John_Lennon
Fair enough, I think what I meant is obscured.  I don't believe that murderer killed LENNON because of that statement, but more to ensure the survival of his own existence (or, ever having existed.) I think so little of that murderer I ignored the intent of your words.  I apologize.  


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 23, 2016, 09:03:13 PM
Actually, if you visit www.lennonmurdertruth.com (http://www.lennonmurdertruth.com) , you will find that author Stephen King killed John Lennon, acting on coded orders from ex President Richard Nixon, that were printed on the cover and editorial pages of TIME and NEWSWEEK magazines.  I  know it's true because I read it on the internet!!  :teddyr: :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 23, 2016, 09:24:35 PM
 :bouncegiggle:  That's funny. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 23, 2016, 09:25:27 PM
Actually, if you visit [url=http://www.lennonmurdertruth.com]www.lennonmurdertruth.com[/url] ([url]http://www.lennonmurdertruth.com[/url]) , you will find that author Stephen King killed John Lennon, acting on coded orders from ex President Richard Nixon, that were printed on the cover and editorial pages of TIME and NEWSWEEK magazines.  I  know it's true because I read it on the internet!!  :teddyr: :bouncegiggle:


Yup! what he sed!  :thumbup: :twirl:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 23, 2016, 10:53:55 PM
A nice little piece on the online popularity of calling Trump "Hitler."

http://thedeclination.com/reductio-ad-hitlerum/ (http://thedeclination.com/reductio-ad-hitlerum/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 24, 2016, 07:57:40 AM

Fair enough, I think what I meant is obscured.  I don't believe that murderer killed LENNON because of that statement, but more to ensure the survival of his own existence (or, ever having existed.) I think so little of that murderer I ignored the intent of your words.  I apologize.  



No apology is needed. I don't think a lot of people knew why Chapman killed Lennon (besides a psycho fan).

My point is that words do matter... And Obama has been playing words that a few psychopaths had been picking up and assuming they have the support of the president to kill police officers (because in their mind white cops are racist)...


So Lennon should deserved to die? THATS INSANE.


I've never said that or even implied that. Yes John Lennon was correct in saying what he said... I'm only saying that word do matter and it was John Lennon's own words that killed him. If he never compared the Beatles to Jesus he would still be alive, maybe there could had been a Beatles reunion in the 80's.

A nice little piece on the online popularity of calling Trump "Hitler."

[url]http://thedeclination.com/reductio-ad-hitlerum/[/url] ([url]http://thedeclination.com/reductio-ad-hitlerum/[/url])


My fear this Hitler/Nazi name calling sort of desensitized the tragic events that lead to and during World War 2.

I do agree that people dropping 'Hitler/Nazi' is a sick attempt to stifle free speech. And I'm at that point that if anybody wants to call Trump a Hitler/Nazi please present the proof or I'll keep demanding for this proof until the poster stops or otherwise show me proof so I would stop.


the DNC leaks is slightly better than these leaks usually are which isn't saying much. wikileaks has long been victim to what I call the Al Capone's vaults effect. that's not to say awful stuff doesn't happen at the DNC but they probably don't communicate it via email.


I think they are leaking stuff out to counter Trumps convention. It is exciting to see how the DNC handles this...


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If people hate Trump that's certainly okay. I think the media have signaled though that they are going to be trying to stop him and the DNC leaks indicate the way they are most likely to do it is to help Hillary.



This is the problem about the media - but I'm wondering how mainstream they are today since most people are getting there information off of blogs and outside 'american sources' I know it sucks but you can lean a lot about American politics from other countries.

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also none of this would be nececcary if the democrats had nominated someone who didn't need help to win.


I never understood - Hillary. I mean she start her book tour two years earlier and it was an epic fail, especially with the money and I really, really thought the email investigation was started by Obama so he can pull the plug on Hillary... I guess I'd assumed wrong on that one - but I'm never always right (I'm mostly right and always learning what is correct.)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 24, 2016, 02:17:47 PM

My fear this Hitler/Nazi name calling sort of desensitized the tragic events that lead to and during World War 2.


That was exactly the point of that writer's essay on the topic.  It's a ludicrous and immature comparison that has quite literally no basis in rational reality. That does not stop a lot of people who only know arguing from "rhetoric" from doing it.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 24, 2016, 03:17:06 PM

My fear this Hitler/Nazi name calling sort of desensitized the tragic events that lead to and during World War 2.


That was exactly the point of that writer's essay on the topic.  It's a ludicrous and immature comparison that has quite literally no basis in rational reality. That does not stop a lot of people who only know arguing from "rhetoric" from doing it.

I think the biggest problem is that most of the Americans don't understand the reason why we asked for immigrates to migrate in American in the 1800's and the early 1900's... But then again most Americans don't know that the Democrat party was the party of slavery and the KKK and the Republican party was made to counter it... I know people would never believe the Republican party actually started in the 1850's...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 24, 2016, 03:30:22 PM

the DNC leaks is slightly better than these leaks usually are which isn't saying much. wikileaks has long been victim to what I call the Al Capone's vaults effect. that's not to say awful stuff doesn't happen at the DNC but they probably don't communicate it via email.
 


Well, the leaks are "good enough" for Wasserman Shultz to resign over it rather than stay and fight for some other truth if it existed.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/under-pressure-dncs-debbie-wasserman-schultz-limits-convention-role-1469376914 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/under-pressure-dncs-debbie-wasserman-schultz-limits-convention-role-1469376914)

So...either she's so weak so as to not stand up for herself (and her Party) in the face of false accusations or there is some real teeth to the emails.  I guess either choice supported by the evidence.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 24, 2016, 08:33:41 PM
Go! Go! Go! Keep those borders open!!!!!


Meanwhile, a Syrian refugee living in Germany kills pregnant woman with machete, injures 2...


Do I need to say anything else?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 24, 2016, 08:47:54 PM
Go! Go! Go! Keep those borders open!!!!!


Meanwhile, a Syrian refugee living in Germany kills pregnant woman with machete, injures 2...


Do I need to say anything else?


And a suicide bomber thwarted by someone doing a little "racial profiling."  Only death was the bomber, but he did injure 10 or so.


GOOOOOOOO OPEN BORDERS!

Working so well in Europe.

Merkel's relationaship with the German press is about like the DNC's relationship with our press here.  It's working out so well for Germany, no wonder so many want to mimic it here...you know, that whole "open borders is a good idea" and "mass Islamic migration is not a problem" thing.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 24, 2016, 09:27:06 PM
Go! Go! Go! Keep those borders open!!!!!
Meanwhile, a Syrian refugee living in Germany kills pregnant woman with machete, injures 2...
Do I need to say anything else?
And a suicide bomber thwarted by someone doing a little "racial profiling."  Only death was the bomber, but he did injure 10 or so.
GOOOOOOOO OPEN BORDERS!
Working so well in Europe.
Merkel's relationaship with the German press is about like the DNC's relationship with our press here.  It's working out so well for Germany, no wonder so many want to mimic it here...you know, that whole "open borders is a good idea" and "mass Islamic migration is not a problem" thing.

I live in NJ... I don't know that I see that happening, but I have seen a shift toward more Middle-Eastern and Indian peoples near me, buying houses, and they've been buying businesses for decades.  Kind of back to the old "Mom and Pop" kind of operations.  I have found many to be friends, and, sometimes they're Christians of a sect unknown to me, yet so devout.  Sometimes they're Sikhs.  I do talk religion and politics superficially with my friends in such operations and they wag their fingers at Pakistan, Islamic extremism, and are sometimes Hindi...
It is the FREEDOM of America I love best, as I think they do too. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 25, 2016, 06:05:44 AM

I live in NJ... I don't know that I see that happening, but I have seen a shift toward more Middle-Eastern and Indian peoples near me, buying houses, and they've been buying businesses for decades.  Kind of back to the old "Mom and Pop" kind of operations.  I have found many to be friends, and, sometimes they're Christians of a sect unknown to me, yet so devout.  Sometimes they're Sikhs.  I do talk religion and politics superficially with my friends in such operations and they wag their fingers at Pakistan, Islamic extremism, and are sometimes Hindi...

I'd lived in Chicago most of my life (over 40+ years), actually this is the first year I'm living 60+ miles away from Chicago. I've seen all types of people. My best friend in High School was a Muslim. Even though he wasn't the kid to knife you (or maybe he seemed that way) he did believe in some crazy stuff. I've learned a good deal of the Muslim culture from him. No pictures drawn of Muhammad (I've learned all that back in 1985) and the reason he explained is that the picture wrecks his faith. This topic came up when we were talking about what if Jesus was black. We were so close as friends that we were going to join the navy together (he sort of talked me into it). We took a test but we both failed the test. And the recruiter told us that we can try to take it the next day but then we decided not to go. The last time I saw him was in the early 1990's and he was driving a motorcycle, he told me he was marring a cousin and going to run a dollar bill like store in Indiana...[Maybe I should see if he has a facebook account - it would be nice to see him].

I don't think he could gun down people - but I recall somethings about his religion seemed screwy. I'm not trying to insult the religion but it seemed like there is a line that you cannot cross. And once you cross that line you loss all honor and respect.

Originally I thought there are two type of Muslims (The hardcore from the Middle East and those that are westernized) but I don't know. I thought my friend was westernized but he seemed more bounded to his religion then I ever was.



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It is the FREEDOM of America I love best, as I think they do too. 

I would think that too... I would hope... but you cannot expect people to respect America if they are not being assimilated to the country. And you cannot assimilate people by just bringing them across the borders with a smile and a pat on the back.



And meanwhile, last night there was another Florida club shooting (I'm not sure if it's a terror attack - but it sure sounds like one)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 25, 2016, 07:27:22 AM

I live in NJ... I don't know that I see that happening, but I have seen a shift toward more Middle-Eastern and Indian peoples near me, buying houses, and they've been buying businesses for decades.


The influx of the 'migrants' in Europe has taken off to 'beyond proportion' levels only very recently.  Immigration itself is not "the problem."  The problem stems from several interconnected facts:

(1) The RATE of German immigration is destabilizing on its own.

Germany's population grew by over 1 million in one year alone.  With a starting population of only around 80 million, that's a growth north of 1%.  That kind of population growth is destabilizing no matter WHO is immigrating.

(2) Who is immigrating into the country?

Germany knows many of the 'migrants' are connected to terrorism and follow terrorist leaning ideologies.  Yet, the German government defends them - says they are 'not a problem.'

What percentage is it?

Who knows.  Who cares, really?  The issue is that the German government is complicit in the actions the violent subset of migrants are doing against the German people.

And, there is growing evidence that the percentage of 'violence seeking' migrants in Germany (and elsewhere in Europe) is larger than many folks both here and there really want to admit.

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I have found many to be friends, and, sometimes they're Christians of a sect unknown to me, yet so devout. 


So, not Muslim, then?  That's very telling.

This is, I think, a good time to remind that Trump never said "Ban Muslims."  He said Ban Muslim Immigration for such a time as we can get a better handle on WHO, exactly, is coming into the US.  Yet, that's not how he has been quoted.

Here are the two players' strategies for dealing with a growing problem here as reflected by an existing problem in Europe:

Trump: Stop the influx of unvetted people entering this country until we shore up domestic economy (ie the economy is stable enough to handle more people looking for jobs) and better vetting is in place.

Hillary: Openly allow an increase of immigration by about 550% with American unemployment already as high as 12% in some areas.


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It is the FREEDOM of America I love best, as I think they do too. 


I find it very, very interesting that the people that cry out the most passionately about American Freedom and how great this country is are immigrants that have come here...and assimilated into American culture...

They know what the world looks like elsewhere; many have lived it.  They try to give us warnings, and our establishment government and media ignores their warnings.

I have no doubt the people in your community loves America and the freedoms she offers. 

Now, just taking the two broad-stroke platform planks mentioned above as a starting point, I ask:

Which of those two strategies is most likely to preserve those freedoms and which is most likely to destroy them?

Germany and probably the rest of Europe are lost.  They will be saved only through bloody conflict.  Brexit is Britain's attempt to check their own decline before it reaches a tipping point (if it hasn't already). 

We have the capability to stem the rate of our own decline, but that requires action, not passive acquiescence to politically correct fear of 'offending' those swear to hasten that decline.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 25, 2016, 07:35:34 AM
And to clarify:

By 'assimilation,' I don't mean giving up their religion and cultural ties.  I mean living by our laws, not trying remake the US into what they left.

This includes adherence to our Bill of Rights (as conceptual natural rights)...such as allowing others to practice their own religion, speak out as they like, etc.

I come from Irish ancestry.  I've heard and read some pretty ugly (yet often funny) things about Irish immigration into the US.  It does not offend me and I think it's uniquely American to be so accepting of 'self-criticism.'

I'm not saying everyone in America has to dress like me or go to my church to 'assimilate.'  But people attacking cartoon shops because of what they draw is distinctly NOT American.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 25, 2016, 07:57:36 AM
And to clarify:

By 'assimilation,' I don't mean giving up their religion and cultural ties.  I mean living by our laws, not trying remake the US into what they left.

Agree but our education system is so wreck that too many believe that Assimilating means must give up religion/culture ties... then they suggest that leaning a second language at an adult age it hard. (just another lazy excuse). If I was visiting France it would make sense for me to learn to speak basic french. But if I was planning to live in France; I would think it would be expected for me to learn to read and speak french at least to the point that I can function in the country without bumbling around.

Unless your name is Hillary Clinton - Ignorance is not an excuse in law (and that's any law in any country!) I think it's cute that Hillary Clinton can get away with 'ignorance' (even though we know there was intent with the secret email server)




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 25, 2016, 08:12:31 AM

 (even though we know there was intent with the secret email server)


Buckle your seat belt for Round 2 of wikileaks.  Word going around it is some pretty bad stuff regarding the email scandal and by implication the subsequent cover-up/refusal to charge her.

Also, there has already been some mention in the ones leaked already referencing the email security issue.  I don't recall the specifics.  It will be widespread news soon.

It seems I have heard somewhere that Hillary should have never been a serious candidate for President. Where could that have been....  :teddyr:

What a sh1tshow the Democrat Party has been exposed to be.  Take note every day 'average' Democrat supporter...this is the Party you've assigned your allegiance to. 

Now's your chance to stand up for what you really believe in and do like the alt-right has done to the establishment Republicans (every bit as corrupt).  Our side began it's house cleaning with supporting Trump.  Who is going to rise from the ashes of the DNC to try to rebuilt / save the party?

Can the party be saved?

And to think...a month ago the Big Question was "Can the R party be saved?"  Haha, I'm enjoying a bit of schadenfreude on this.  Every line the MSM has uttered for the past year is now at least suspect....as it should be when the press is in the bag for one party.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 25, 2016, 09:15:31 AM

 (even though we know there was intent with the secret email server)


Buckle your seat belt for Round 2 of wikileaks.  Word going around it is some pretty bad stuff regarding the email scandal and by implication the subsequent cover-up/refusal to charge her.

I feel that some of these leeks were well known assumptions. We knew the Democrats cover-up and refused to charge Hillary. We also know the media (CNN and such) are lowballing all attacks. Really, do you think the media would be nice to Reagan if they discovered he had a secret server? Hell No!

My suspicions is the leak... I know they are pushing the Russia but I don't think they would leak this. What's the motive?

I won't be surprised if a Sander's fan leaked this. But I think the leak is more insider than that.



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Also, there has already been some mention in the ones leaked already referencing the email security issue.  I don't recall the specifics.  It will be widespread news soon.


I'm not sure I'll be that wide spread... so far the focus is Russia is the master of the leak and it's because they want Trump as president. I serious doubt Russia would leak this so we can elect Trump. Motive makes no sense, especially when Hillary was given 100 million dollars for the uranium deal (yet the act is not treasonous)



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It seems I have heard somewhere that Hillary should have never been a serious candidate for President. Where could that have been....  :teddyr:

Again this is nothing new... Sure the emails sort of verify this feeling that most Americans don't understand why Hillary. I don't understand why Hillary (unless she blackmailed herself to the nomination).



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What a sh1tshow the Democrat Party has been exposed to be.  Take note every day 'average' Democrat supporter...this is the Party you've assigned your allegiance to. 

Depends how 'well informed are those supporters' right now I'm assuming they are starting to believe the Russians leak the emails because they (Russia) wants Trump for president. (And I don't see the logic in this one)


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Now's your chance to stand up for what you really believe in and do like the alt-right has done to the establishment Republicans (every bit as corrupt).  Our side began it's house cleaning with supporting Trump.  Who is going to rise from the ashes of the DNC to try to rebuilt / save the party?

Can the party be saved?


And part of me is thinking that the DNC leaked there own emails. Think of it, the information was already assumed. We know they are doing nothing to Hillary with her emails. We know most don't like Hillary. The leaks make the DNC more united to Hillary then the Republican party is united to Trump.

And it got people now thinking (maybe wanting to watch the convention) just to see what happens. What will Sanders do? Will the Democrats party be saved? Will Hillary look presidential with the email leaks...

~and~

I heard that there is a protest going on her VP pick... because he's not progressive enough... Really? This is a setup for those Never Trumpers, oh, we can vote for Hillary because her VP is protested by the progressive Democrats. It's a trick.


Sorry but more I think of this... I'm leaning towards a stunt because Hillary has nothing besides to try to look like the underdog.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 25, 2016, 09:44:11 AM
I'm going to disagree with your hypothesis that this is internal and designed to gain sympathy for Hillary on the basis of such things like the body language and similar reactions to Wasserman Schultz being booed off the stage at the Florida delegation breakfast this morning.

The boogeyman seeking (Russia, etc) is more evidence it's real.  They are trying to deflect from the content of the emails and focus on "the messenger."  They are openly attacking wikileaks, when they've praised them in the past.

Also, the trending manipulations and tweet blocking going on at twitter and facebook is also telling.  They are trying to block visibility to the story.  And, the MSM over the weekend sat on it for 48 hours before mentioning it.

I don't think this is a planned false flag event at all.  If it was, it is a spectacular failure.  Hillary's support is plummeting and both the DNC and MSM are reeling from the backlash.  They'll not spin their way out of this. 

It would make no sense to false flag an attack on their own credibility; how then could they hope to sell the false flag stories and garner sympathy for HRC?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 25, 2016, 09:50:22 AM
Interesting.  Nate Silver's election projection now show chance of Trump victory at 57.6% compared to 10.8% only one month ago.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoNjE1xXYAAH_9p.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 25, 2016, 10:02:58 AM
I'm going to disagree with your hypothesis that this is internal and designed to gain sympathy for Hillary on the basis of such things like the body language and similar reactions to Wasserman Schultz being booed off the stage at the Florida delegation breakfast this morning.

That's ok to disagree...

I think it was a gamble that went wrong. Just like Ted Cruz gambled with his speech and ended up getting booed off the stage. I don't think Ted Cruz wanted to commit political suicide. But it happens because there are people that (I hate to say it but you know I'm right) that don't understand why people are flocking towards Trump.




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The boogeyman seeking (Russia, etc) is more evidence it's real.  They are trying to deflect from the content of the emails and focus on "the messenger."  They are openly attacking wikileaks, when they've praised them in the past.

Sure but the narrative is... Russia wants Trump to win because Trump is a friend of Russia (which is not true - there is no such evidence to support this).




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Also, the trending manipulations and tweet blocking going on at twitter and facebook is also telling.  They are trying to block visibility to the story.  And, the MSM over the weekend sat on it for 48 hours before mentioning it.

I don't think this is a planned false flag event at all.  If it was, it is a spectacular failure.  Hillary's support is plummeting and both the DNC and MSM are reeling from the backlash.  They'll not spin their way out of this.

This is why this email leak was so outrageous... Why? Because as silly as it sounds they are not living in the real world. I believe Rush will talk about the email's and I'll pee my pants if he agrees that the leaks seemed too convenient because so far they don't say anything that I don't already know.

On the other hand, if the emails leaked says. So and so is supporting Hillary because she's blackmail him for child porn (than we are talking about a leak).  I'm looking for those leaks because I like to know if she is blackmailing the party.



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It would make no sense to false flag an attack on their own credibility; how then could they hope to sell the false flag stories and garner sympathy for HRC?

Because Hillary starts off as a victim because evil Russia. And to imply Russia is supporting Trump.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 25, 2016, 01:01:19 PM
I'm going to disagree with your hypothesis that this is internal and designed to gain sympathy for Hillary on the basis of such things like the body language and similar reactions to Wasserman Schultz being booed off the stage at the Florida delegation breakfast this morning.

After listening to Rush talk about it, I'm beginning to wonder that Obama released the emails to knock Hillary out without getting dirty in knocking her out. wow those Sanders fans were rough with Schultz... :D

Yeah, I'm assuming this but I believe Obama knows Hillary is weak and he don't want to get his hands dirty. I also think the leaks are giving Sanders a boost in popularity.

I'm not buying the Russians were behind that hack.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on July 25, 2016, 01:38:11 PM
I think these email leaks will have a minimal long term effect and will be largely forgotten in a couple months. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 25, 2016, 01:50:52 PM
I think these email leaks will have a minimal long term effect and will be largely forgotten in a couple months. 

I would think so too... but the Sander's people seemed to voice a loud opinion against this... They were booing Sanders when he mentions "Hillary's Name."


Right now I'm wondering if Trump hacked the DMC and released the emails... (the thought of Trump hacking a computer is quite funny...)


But if Trump or any of his workers were responsible with the hack; the FBI would be on top of this like flies on poop. That's why I'm thinking Obama or his people did this, to put pressure on Hillary and make her drop. I think it's funny because I don't see Hillary walking away...



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 25, 2016, 02:04:33 PM
The Islamification of Sweden is complete:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3547291/Sweden-s-deputy-PM-sparks-outcry-describing-9-11-Twin-Towers-attack-September-11-accidents.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3547291/Sweden-s-deputy-PM-sparks-outcry-describing-9-11-Twin-Towers-attack-September-11-accidents.html)

Will an Open Borders strategy bring this kind of thinking here, or does out country have the moral courage to stop it?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 25, 2016, 02:16:00 PM

I think these email leaks will have a minimal long term effect and will be largely forgotten in a couple months. 


The real question is what damage will they do while they are in the popular consciousness.  And, they are doing a bit of damage now and people have only scratched the surface of what is in them.

They've been out 3 days and the DNC's chair has resigned and been boo'd off the stage by Democrat delegation from Florida.  Clinton has hired her to her campaign which is going to anger many Clinton supporters further.

Between Benghazi, accepting $$ from the Saudis, skating on crimes even the FBI admits she DID commit, her possible health issues and now her own party being discredited, Clinton's campaign is in trouble.

It remains to be seen how deep the trouble is, but my read is that she is done as a contender for president.  Her support is dropping fast and Trump has all the positive momentum right now.

If she officially gets the nomination (I'm beginning to doubt this, actually), she'll get a bounce after the convention, but I predict it won't be enough to offset everything that has come up in the last week alone.  Her bounce will be a bump and then she's done.

And don't forget, Assange says this leak is the first of at least three, with the next one coming soon and supposedly containing enough specific evidence for HRC's indictment.

We shall see.  I personally think you guys are underestimating the response to these leaks from the Left side of the aisle.  This is not about what Trump supporters think of the leaked emails; they were not going to vote for Hillary anyway.  This is about what Hillary and Sanders supporters think, and an awful lot of them are absolutely, unabashedly PO'd.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 25, 2016, 02:59:55 PM
And for my next prediction (gee, this is fun), I have an idea how the MSM will spin this:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoO_xi-WcAAA6Rl.jpg)

That's an image showing the fenced areas and No Free Speech / No Go Zones surrounding the Democrat Convention in Philly. No protesters in that image because they are not allowed inside a 'protective' circle.  So, some protesters are saying, "What's the point of protesting, then?" along with complaints about how their protests in Cleveland were visible to the delegations whereas in Philly they are not.

My prediction: The MSM will show images like like this and play it as "See! Our Convention is not heavily protested like the Republican Convention was.  We are more popular."

 :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 25, 2016, 03:13:16 PM
Assange interviewed by Democracy Now and asked about the Russia sourcing:

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/25/exclusive_wikileaks_julian_assange_on_releasing (http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/25/exclusive_wikileaks_julian_assange_on_releasing)

Assange:

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In relation to sourcing, I can say some things. A, we never reveal our sources, obviously. That’s what we pride ourselves on. And we won’t in this case, either. But no one knows who our source is. It’s simply speculation. It’s, I think, interesting and acceptable to speculate who our sources are. But if we’re talking about the DNC, there’s lots of consultants that have access, lots of programmers. And the DNC has been hacked dozens and dozens of times. Even according to its own reports, it had been hacked extensively over the last few years. And the dates of the emails that we published are significantly after all, or all but one—it’s not clear—of the hacking allegations that the DNC says have occurred.



Also, notably, Glenn Greenwald was apparently on NPR decrying the Russia angle.

As a bit of 'spin,' the Russia angle is already starting to die.  Greenwald has some excellent reading in his Twitter timeline:

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald (https://twitter.com/ggreenwald)

And, I think this photo was taken today - "Never Hillary" from Sanders supporters angry about the leaks:

(https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBhoaHR0cHM6Ly9wcm9kMDEtY2RuMDcuY2RuLmZpcnN0bG9vay5vcmcvd3AtdXBsb2Fkcy9zaXRlcy8xLzIwMTYvMDcvR2V0dHlJbWFnZXMtNTgwMDI0MjQwLWZlYXR1cmUtaGVyby5qcGcU4BIU5gkcFIQGFJQDAAAWABIA&s=pasV1wcx7fTQsOfEkXbMn3FEtk2koHshzovMavOD--g)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on July 25, 2016, 03:24:57 PM
I wasn't even thinking about Assange's comments. He's said a lot of crap in the past before though, so I wouldn't hold my breath. But yeah, that could be a bigger deal and sustain it into more damage.

I also think Clinton is a serious threat to Trump no matter what. She still polls way higher with blacks and hispanics and women, and I don't think that will change. That alone makes it close.  


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 25, 2016, 04:19:13 PM
The Democrat Convention is a laughing stock at this point, and it's only Monday.  Some samples:

* Sanders delegates chanting "Lock Her Up" when Clinton's name mentioned.

* 1000's of protesters (vs hundreds in Cleveland), even though they are held off by the fence.

* Speaker(s) openly boo'd.  Representative Marcia Fudge (OH), Convention Chair, openly interrupted during remarks.

* Vote on legitimacy of super-delegates called for "Ayes" yet folks are saying there were CLEARLY more "Nays."

The Proletariat in the Democrat ranks are rising up against the self-described "Betters" in the Party.  And everyone said it was going to be the Republican Convention that was going to be entertaining.

Just wow.

This captures the 'mood' as well as anything:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoOabrhUEAA-NhO.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 25, 2016, 04:55:09 PM
#HillaryRottenClinton is 'trending' on Twitter now.

#DNCDisaster will probably be within the hour...many posts to it so far.

 :teddyr:

Politainment.

On the other hand:

Elections are pretty serious business.  The Democrats have made a mockery of the system.  

Either all this is real, which shows their corruption far exceeded their respect for out nation and its people or it's all manufactured.

Even if all this is just showmanship to drive news and keep people talking about it (which I don't believe at all), it's still a travesty of a very important institution of our Constitutional Republic.

Either way, a whole heap ton of people are very angry over what they are seeing.  I don't think this level of anger will pass quickly, if at all.

UPDATE:

Both #HillaryRottenClinton and #DNCDisaster have now been removed from Twitter's trending list.  Twitter has been manipulating the 'trending' stories list for some time and it is well documented.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Flangepart on July 25, 2016, 05:34:30 PM
Yup...
Explain the T-shirt I saw today.
ATREIDES 1016.
Shoulda known politics would go all 'Herbert' on us.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on July 25, 2016, 07:07:34 PM
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Either way, a whole heap ton of people are very angry over what they are seeing.  I don't think this level of anger will pass quickly, if at all.

Personally, I find this aspect very hard to judge.  Sometimes a very few are very loud on the internet, it gets magnified by a handful of careful gatekeepers, then it dissipates super quickly.  And sometimes it's just the opposite. 

I'll also be curious to see how many Sanders supporters actually vote Trump.  I think the number is far lower than many seem to assume.  I think most who say this will back down when actually in the booth.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 25, 2016, 07:26:04 PM
The Democrat Convention is a laughing stock at this point, and it's only Monday.  Some samples:

* Sanders delegates chanting "Lock Her Up" when Clinton's name mentioned.

 :buggedout:





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 25, 2016, 07:48:04 PM
pretty believable theory I heard was that a p**sed off Sanders supporter with access to DNC server leaked the emails. I certainly would if I were them.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 25, 2016, 08:12:12 PM

I'll also be curious to see how many Sanders supporters actually vote Trump.  I think the number is far lower than many seem to assume.  I think most who say this will back down when actually in the booth.



I certainly don't know how many actually WILL vote for Trump and a lot can change between now and November, but live coverage of the convention and protests outside certainly show many several thousand in one small area that are saying they plan to do exactly that.

In related news, Facebook has admitted to blocking links in posts to wikileaks:

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/07/facebook-admits-it-blocked-links-to-wikileaks-dnc-emails/ (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/07/facebook-admits-it-blocked-links-to-wikileaks-dnc-emails/)

Facebook has been under fire for at least several months for controlling content availability, all the while pretending to be a 'news sharing source' for its user base.

This admission (along with the continuing daily Twitter trending manipulations) is not doing a whole lot to convince people that the main assertion of media collusion in the emails is either false or 'no big deal.'

 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 25, 2016, 08:42:48 PM
One minute and 18 seconds of truth: 
http://youtu.be/Axi3jF-GX2Q (http://youtu.be/Axi3jF-GX2Q)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 25, 2016, 10:10:41 PM
pretty believable theory I heard was that a p**sed off Sanders supporter with access to DNC server leaked the emails. I certainly would if I were them.

Out of all the theories I heard (The Russians  :lookingup: ) and a list of my tin foil hat stuff... the Sanders supporter hacking the DNC makes f'n sense.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 25, 2016, 10:25:20 PM
I will say this much, and it does not alter my personal revulsion for either candidate in the least:

I maintained from very early on that Donald Trump was unelectable.  His negatives were simply way too high, making even the unlikable Clinton look good in comparison.

Clinton's hamfisted campaign style and the shenanigans at the DNC, along with the wave of terror attacks and anti-police violence, are changing that calculus somewhat.  Trump's had a good couple of weeks, and she has not.  If the trend continues, he might actually win.

In which case,  I will fervently pray that everything I believe about this man is wrong. 
Either that, or for Great Cthulhu's third party bid to overcome them both.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 26, 2016, 07:27:40 AM
Another Islam based terror attack in France, this time on a Christian church.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/one-hostage-dead-two-attackers-killed-after-assault-on-church-in-france-police-say-1469525653?mod=fox_australian (http://www.wsj.com/articles/one-hostage-dead-two-attackers-killed-after-assault-on-church-in-france-police-say-1469525653?mod=fox_australian)

Your daily reminder:

One candidate wants to bring these attackers here to the US in large numbers.
The other candidate wants to re-establish some control over the nation's borders.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 26, 2016, 07:50:07 AM
And here's why Brexit was so important to the British people:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/25/juncker-vows-eu-open-borders-always/ (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/25/juncker-vows-eu-open-borders-always/)

Seriously, real life has become a parody.

Law #2: SJW's Always Double Down.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 26, 2016, 08:11:09 AM
Another Islam based terror attack in France, this time on a Christian church.

[url]http://www.wsj.com/articles/one-hostage-dead-two-attackers-killed-after-assault-on-church-in-france-police-say-1469525653?mod=fox_australian[/url] ([url]http://www.wsj.com/articles/one-hostage-dead-two-attackers-killed-after-assault-on-church-in-france-police-say-1469525653?mod=fox_australian[/url])

Your daily reminder:

One candidate wants to bring these attackers here to the US in large numbers.
The other candidate wants to re-establish some control over the nation's borders.



I was going to post this but the info I received at the time didn't say much... Than I drove to work, while listing to breitbart news and the report was two Islamic terrorist chopped the priest head off in church...  :buggedout:

Than the guy reporting this said there is another incident in Berlin with a killing of a dentist, and anti-terror police was sent...  :buggedout:


All I have to say is: "Go-Go open borders!!!!"


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 26, 2016, 08:46:38 AM

~~~



First I like to say it's nice to see your feeling better :)



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I will say this much, and it does not alter my personal revulsion for either candidate in the least:

I maintained from very early on that Donald Trump was unelectable.  His negatives were simply way too high, making even the unlikable Clinton look good in comparison.



It's good that you had not changed... but don't think Trump was unelectable or even have that high negatives. I won't be surprised that his so called high negatives was enhanced... only because Trump does threaten the narrative.

And... the wikileaks seems to verify that the media was never straight with the American people.

As for Hillary... OMG!



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Clinton's hamfisted campaign style and the shenanigans at the DNC, along with the wave of terror attacks and anti-police violence, are changing that calculus somewhat.  Trump's had a good couple of weeks, and she has not.  If the trend continues, he might actually win.


I've been hearing for almost a year that Trump will be the death of the Republican Party. If you ever listen to Joe Walsh (not the singer) [ http://walshfreedom.com/radio/ (http://walshfreedom.com/radio/) ] He came up with the conclusion that we are witnessing the death of the Republican party. And I do like Mr. Walsh because he's really blunt and correct. But we didn't see that in the RNC... actually, which was shocking was that Ted Cruz who failed to deliver an awesome speech and got booed off the stage. And Trump played Cruz like the WWE event. We actually saw a Hero turned into a Heel and a Heel turned into a Hero. It was awesome!

So it doesn't look like the Republican party is going to selfdestruct...

And speaking of selfdestruction... I never thought I would see the selfdestruction of the democrat party, but I have to say... This email release thing was hotter than I thought. It looks like Sanders had a stronger support and the media did everything they could make it look like Sander's support was small. And I believe a good number of Sander's supporters wanted to take it to the convention.

But everybody uttering the words "Support Hillary" gets booed! First Lady (support Hillary) - Booed. Sander's (support Hillary) - Booed! This is so freaking amazing! I feel like I want to want to watch the DNC just to see somebody get booed.

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In which case,  I will fervently pray that everything I believe about this man is wrong. 
Either that, or for Great Cthulhu's third party bid to overcome them both.


Seriously; if your telling me the truth then you had been praying for the +7 years of Obama. Obama makes Nixon an honest president. I do expect somebody is going to wikileak Obama's crap...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 26, 2016, 09:08:33 AM
the democratic convention could have been a huge success  but they mishandled the DNC Leaks thing. Sarah Silverman telling the Bernie supporters to get over it would make sense under normal circumstances, but in light of the leaks it came off as "let them eat cake".

they should have revamped the entire convention to apologize to Sanders and try and find a way forward. Instead they acted like they didn't happen. "not a good look" as they say.

Republicans were much more comfortable in the chaos of the party types vs Trump and all that. Without Michelle Obama the night would have been a total disaster.


re: Muslims there are terror attacks every day in Europe now. If you were skeptical of refugees your skepticism has certainly been justified.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 26, 2016, 11:13:49 AM

 Instead they acted like they didn't happen.


Yet more evidence for Vox's Law #2: SJ types ALWAYS double down.

The Progressive movement on the past 30-40 years in this country absolutely depended on controlling public discourse.  They created this control via "Political Correctness."

That control has been cracked.  People are getting other information now.  Some of it is crap, of course.  But that doesn't really matter.  What matters is that people are now being truly exposed to competing ideologies, and are forced to LOOK at them and make a choice...rather than just following the ONE message that has been sold to them.

Enter into the equation "Cognitive Dissonance."  People can SEE with their own two eyes what Clinton is about: corruption and vile self-servingness and criminal acts including treason.  Comey's announcement, "We have the evidence, but we are not going to charge her anyway" was probably the linchpin being knocked out.  The leaked emails poured gasoline on a smoldering fire of discontent.

Clinton represents the Old Guard of that narrative controlling Progressive movement.  And she's been outed.

All these same statements apply somewhat to the Republican party as well...Trump shook it up; the old guard has had their butts handed to them.  The only difference I can see at this point is that Republican Party has been slightly more honest about respecting the system, and thus respecting the 'will of the people' and honoring the Primary vote.

The Republican Party as it existed last year is done.  The voter's expectations have changed, and they have exerted a tremendous pressure on the party so far.  I suspect that pressure will continue and the party will continue to align with the true base (aka, those nasty Trump supporters).

The Democrat Party ... not so much. They are clinging to the 'old ways' very tightly.  They thought they 'owned' the media but didn't take into "new media."

It's all very fascinating to watch in real time. 20-50 years from now, people might understand 'what really happened in the 2016 election.'  Living it is like day-trading the stock market.  We really don't know what will happen next.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 26, 2016, 03:28:31 PM
...
It's all very fascinating to watch in real time. 20-50 years from now, people might understand 'what really happened in the 2016 election.' 

Living it is like day-trading the stock market.  We really don't know what will happen next.
Or, living it is like watching paint dry.  We really know what will happen next.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 26, 2016, 03:38:31 PM
That old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."

   We are afflicted with it.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 26, 2016, 04:48:09 PM
agree they are way too interesting.

Indy - what is your opinion about this sort of Perot/ Buchanan republicanism thats out there now? I can see common ground between repubs and Sanders type dems pretty clearly re trade and so forth. I think of myself as a free trader but...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on July 26, 2016, 06:55:15 PM
I can't stand isolationism, Lester.  There are evils in the world that simply need to be fought if civilization as we know it is going to endure, and if we don't fight them, there aren't many that will.  Not every fight is ours, true, but that's not the same thing as saying no fight is ours.  I'm a Reagan/Bush Republican, and I guess,  in today's climate, that makes me a RINO.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 26, 2016, 08:52:13 PM

http://youtu.be/mrX3Ql31URA (http://youtu.be/mrX3Ql31URA)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 26, 2016, 10:14:59 PM
And to clarify:...
I come from Irish ancestry.  I've heard and read some pretty ugly (yet often funny) things about Irish immigration into the US.  It does not offend me and I think it's uniquely American to be so accepting of 'self-criticism.'
...

Yeh?  Have you ever heard the expression "Irish plug"?  I was born here in NJ and my parents too, but both my sets of grandparents were born in Ireland (except my mother's mother born in Argentina, but Irish).  I grew up with a photo portrait of JFK on our mantel.  The Catholic and Irish thing was a big deal in my family.  We had nuns and priests, some from England, visit us when I was a child.  I am named for one who was born the same date I was: All Hallows Day. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on July 26, 2016, 10:36:15 PM
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What matters is that people are now being truly exposed to competing ideologies, and are forced to LOOK at them and make a choice...rather than just following the ONE message that has been sold to them.

At times, but what I've also found is the creation of a variety of closely politically aligned sites and groups online actually allows people to much more easily isolate themselves from competing information than in the old days of true mass media.  Anyone can find a group of like minded people and largely associate with them.  I think the information is actually even more funneled for most, not less, and people are effectively more sheltered - by choice.  Even if they see the other ideologies at some point, it may not matter when they already don't trust anything outside the bubble.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 26, 2016, 11:47:04 PM

[url]http://youtu.be/mrX3Ql31URA[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/mrX3Ql31URA[/url])



lol... Maybe Trump can counter that with:

The tape of Hillary laughing on how she reduced the sentence of a child rapist...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 26, 2016, 11:53:55 PM
indiana -  I was thinking more about the trade side. you may remember when GOP used to say stuff like buy made in the USA etc in light of the opioid epidemic and all these places falling apart its kind of making a comeback.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on July 27, 2016, 10:44:17 AM
I hate this ad, because Monica's ex-boyfriend's wife thinks we've all forgotten how Lewinsky became a verb, or how victims of sexual harassment became a bimbo eruption. Heck, some buffoon tried to make Billy Carter into a role model.

[url]http://youtu.be/mrX3Ql31URA[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/mrX3Ql31URA[/url])


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 27, 2016, 02:39:37 PM
I'm a little puzzled by the Media accusing Trump for suggesting Russia to hack into Hillary Emails.

How can Mother Russia do this? Hillary's secret server is locked away in FBI's vault... unless, Hillary has a secret, secret, secret server...  :buggedout:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 27, 2016, 09:44:59 PM
PUTIN is not our friend or ally.  The flouting of diplomacy, the fly bys apparently intended to be provocative, other actions of his criticized by world media... PUTIN's vision of Russia might be my own if I were Russian.  I don't pretend to know his vision, but my glimpses, and guesses, are troubling as an American.   


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 28, 2016, 01:15:33 AM
Russia is a very nationalist sort of country. They elect and like Putin because he is like that too


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 28, 2016, 05:57:01 AM
PUTIN is not our friend or ally.  The flouting of diplomacy, the fly bys apparently intended to be provocative, other actions of his criticized by world media... PUTIN's vision of Russia might be my own if I were Russian.  I don't pretend to know his vision, but my glimpses, and guesses, are troubling as an American.   

lol... Trump was sarcastic...

We already know that Russia could have her emails (as well as China) but the DNC hack/release seem more closer to an angry Sanders supporter than a Russian spy. But the media keep saying it's the Russia even though there is no real proof.

Regardless who hacked it (kind of like why Watergate started) the problem is that we have proof that the DNC/media fixed the election... This does become bothersome because what if this was the presidential election and we found out that Hillary is president because it was fix. We are going to be looking at civil war 2.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on July 28, 2016, 04:09:30 PM
PUTIN is not our friend or ally.  The flouting of diplomacy, the fly bys apparently intended to be provocative, other actions of his criticized by world media... PUTIN's vision of Russia might be my own if I were Russian.  I don't pretend to know his vision, but my glimpses, and guesses, are troubling as an American.   

lol... Trump was sarcastic...

We already know that Russia could have her emails (as well as China) but the DNC hack/release seem more closer to an angry Sanders supporter than a Russian spy. But the media keep saying it's the Russia even though there is no real proof.

Regardless who hacked it (kind of like why Watergate started) the problem is that we have proof that the DNC/media fixed the election... This does become bothersome because what if this was the presidential election and we found out that Hillary is president because it was fix. We are going to be looking at civil war 2.
I thought it was a Romanian who hacked her emails?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 28, 2016, 05:46:42 PM
I thought it was a Romanian who hacked her emails?

Do we need the Russians to hack into the Romanian spynet to find the 30,000 Emails that Hillary had deleted? Too bad our FED's cannot hack into the Romanian computers... lol


Oh... I love how the media is saying that "Trump should be tried for treason..." Hmmmmmm... Who's secret server are we talking about?

As for getting a foreign power to conflict another countries election... It's funny how the media forget that Obama tried to derail the Israeli election... Hmmmmmmmmmmmm (number 2)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 28, 2016, 06:03:20 PM
misfit - yes guccifer 2 he is based out of there.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on July 29, 2016, 09:24:11 AM
This is more of a random thought but I'll go ahead and say it here.

It bothers me that Hillary Clinton got to where she is largely on a man's coat tails. Had her husband not paved the way for her to have widespread name recognition, she wouldn't be anywhere today. A law firm, probably, that's it.

When I think of women in politics who made it on their own merits, I think of Margaret Thatcher pulling herself hand over hand to the top on little more than her intellect, her firmness of conviction, and her force of personality.

I think of Golda Meir's indomitable spirit that set her ahead of the men around her in a Jewish culture that often relegated women to extreme second-class citizenship.

I even Martha Layne Collins, who was governor of Kentucky in the 1980s, rising to leadership in a Dixiecrat conservative state where men had always held all other offices.

And I think of Theresa May, a pastor's daughter, who achieved highest office without a spouse or parents setting her up for it.

None of these admirable women ever needed a man to carry them to where they are, they all made it on their own, but Mrs. Clinton, this alleged feminist icon, absolutely did have a man set her up and open doors for her.

I don't see Hillary Clinton as personifying this triumph of feminism, I see her as the modern-day epitome of the ambitious social-climbing wife.

And her smugness irritates me.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 29, 2016, 10:06:53 AM
ER - I agree. Her "experience' is pretty overrated too. She was senator for like a year before running for president and losing. After that she was secdef and blew up Libya which is now a terrorist hellhole then she quit.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 29, 2016, 10:26:00 AM

And her smugness irritates me.

Sorry but you would be smug too if you able to get away from a +8,000 year prison sentence. According to the law, each email offence is a minimum 8 years prison sentence.  :buggedout: There are people sent to jail for a lessor offence because the intent of the law was written so a top secret document must be handled with over protective care.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 29, 2016, 11:53:47 AM
 :lookingup:

‘Shameful’: N.C. GOP mistakenly claims Kaine’s military pin is flag of Honduras
http://www.yahoo.com/news/kaine-honduras-gop-pin-shameful-000000248.html   (http://www.yahoo.com/news/kaine-honduras-gop-pin-shameful-000000248.html) 

During his speech at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia to accept the vice presidential nomination on Wednesday night, Tim Kaine was wearing a lapel pin honoring Blue Star Families — like his — which have members serving in the military.

The North Carolina GOP, though, mistakenly thought it was the flag of Honduras, where the Virginia senator volunteered as a Jesuit missionary before entering law school. And the state’s Republican party took to Twitter to criticize the senator.

“[Tim Kaine] wears a Honduras flag pin on his jacket but no American flag,” the state party tweeted as Kaine was speaking. “Shameful.”... 


 :question: :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 29, 2016, 12:03:58 PM
give yourself a star if you get the reference

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Coi-Ey5WIAAA1IZ.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 29, 2016, 01:31:58 PM
give yourself a star if you get the reference

([url]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Coi-Ey5WIAAA1IZ.jpg[/url])



OMG that was so funny... why a white suit?

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7uCZAOw86XY/R7rtSvexyOI/AAAAAAAAAMM/_96BejHLLis/s320/kkk.bmp)

I think she left the hood behind the stage... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 29, 2016, 05:10:45 PM

“[Tim Kaine] wears a Honduras flag pin on his jacket but no American flag,” the state party tweeted as Kaine was speaking. “Shameful.”... 



And....finish the story.

Unlike the SJW crowd that always doubles down in a situation like this, what did the GOP in NC actually do?  How did they respond?

(1) They admitted the mistake.
(2) They apologized for making the mistake.
(3) They removed the tweet (which I don't agree is a proper course of action...flag it "erroneous" or something, but let it stand).

(4) They THANKED THE PRESS for pointing out the error.

Compare that to the disgusting lack of main stream press the protests outside the convention got.  There's actually a documentary about this media bias planned, which will contain live footage shot in the midst of the protests that the MSM largely ignored.

So, it looks like I called this one right, or near enough:

And for my next prediction (gee, this is fun), I have an idea how the MSM will spin this:

([url]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoO_xi-WcAAA6Rl.jpg[/url])

That's an image showing the fenced areas and No Free Speech / No Go Zones surrounding the Democrat Convention in Philly.

...

My prediction: The MSM will show images like like this and play it as "See! Our Convention is not heavily protested like the Republican Convention was.  We are more popular."



The MSM tried to sell that as the message without coming right out and saying it.

Thousands of protestors per nights at DNC mostly unreported.  100-200 at RNC and the press went ga-ga.

Compare RNC:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-07-19/rnc-protests-rage-but-anti-trump-organizers-ask-where-is-everyone (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-07-19/rnc-protests-rage-but-anti-trump-organizers-ask-where-is-everyone)

To DNC:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cof2iw6VUAA5AML.jpg)

and storming the wall:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Coag_x2XEAARbGI.jpg)

(those are Democrat protestors protesting the DNC)

Also, there were reports that Sanders delegates were threatened with expulsion and/or arrest if they held up protest signs (I think this was Thursday).

And the delegate walk-outs were mostly ignored.  Mentioned, but underplayed.

Finally, there is at least one instance documented of the MSM interviewers seeking out Hillary supporters in the protestor crowd and ignoring Sanders supporters...filmed live at the time it happened.

Looks like the theme of the wikileaks emails continues: direct collusion between MSM and the DNC in the bag for Clinton.

We have a candidate for President that is beyond corrupt: Hillary Clinton.  A vote for her is a vote supporting all her crimes and bad acts.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 29, 2016, 07:05:01 PM
I agree.  "Beyond corrupt..."  Oh, and there is a link there... but perhaps you used that? 
You are a big fan of spin and ignore ramifications. 
You are also a big fan of yourself.  It echoes in here...   



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 29, 2016, 07:44:58 PM
give yourself a star if you get the reference

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Coi-Ey5WIAAA1IZ.jpg)

And you folks b***h about Hallows cat s**t gifs-and you compare Hillary to a KKK member. Golly gee .
Lester-I usta think you knew what you were talking about.
Thing is-I aint a Hillary fan-never was-but electing a person because his campagain is exciting?
Did you ever watxch his stupid show!
LOSER.
YOUR FIRED.
He invited Russia to hack us! WTF???
The man says he'll run the country like his business-he declared bankruptsy 3 TIMES.
Republicans are for family values-hes been married  3 times!
"Lets Make America Great Again"?
It is ALREADY great-we dont need some shmuck like him to tell us that is gonna be-he's a fear monger.-but electing a millionaire TV show guy aint gonna do that-it's just gonna make a mess. You may as well vote for Rush Limburger.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 29, 2016, 07:55:33 PM
and Im done fer tonite-because I have more personal issues going on at home-I just wish you all could see this is all MADNESS-Trump is a bigot-Hillary is a liar.
I aint gonna vote.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 29, 2016, 07:56:29 PM
Rc/ Skull - it's a reference to Ubu Roi by Alfred Jarry. nothing to do with the KKK

(http://ihousephilly.org/uploads/files/823616125400638150-ubu-mounted-855x345.full.jpg)

It's an infamous play about an insane ruler named Pere Ubu. He is pure id and basically the embodiment of everyone's fears about politicians. When it debuted, people apparently clapped and booed at the same time.

it opens with Ubu saying "merdre!" translation = s**tr. Yes that's right s**tr

RC if you get the chance you should watch or read it I thin you would really like it.

Quote
Ubu Roi (Ubu the King or King Ubu) is a play by Alfred Jarry. It was first performed in Paris at the Théâtre de l'Œuvre, causing a riotous response in the audience as it opened and closed on December 10, 1896


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 29, 2016, 09:35:53 PM

You are a big fan of spin and ignore ramifications.     


What spin?  I posted facts.  It's obvious you can't tell the difference, and that is the fundamental problem with this conversation as I have said from the beginning.

There is, quite clearly, nothing in my post that cannot be factually verified as true as I have stated it.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 29, 2016, 11:43:57 PM

And you folks b***h about Hallows cat s**t gifs-and you compare Hillary to a KKK member. Golly gee .


Sorry but the democrat party are the party of slavery, the kkk, segregation and Jim Crow... If you don't believe me please look it up... Why is it so damn important? I don't know maybe I'm getting tired how the democrats keep telling the black population that they are fighting for them because of racist whites... and that's wrong! I understand that you loved FDR but the guy was a racist!


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He invited Russia to hack us! WTF???

No he didn't... he said, "Maybe the Russians can find the 30,000 missing emails because our Government cannot." MEANING... Her deleted emails on her FREAKING SECRET SERVER... Which if you were given one top secret document to hold and you needed to take a dump and you took the top secret document to the bathroom to take a dump... you would be sent to jail for 8 years because you were not supposed to take the top secret document outside the secured location. There were people that set to jail for this offense. Hillary has proven that she was above the law. This is not right... and to call out Trump treason to suggest Russia to find the deleted emails should be bounced back to the stupid idiot that took the emails...

Oh another thing... those top secret emails don't transfer from one computer to any other computer. They are only transferable to a special computer so for the secret emails to end on her computer, they had to be transferred by a flash drive.


Quote
Republicans are for family values-hes been married  3 times!

Family values only means when your a republican... Meanwhile, Bill Clinton took several trips with Jeffrey Epstein...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 30, 2016, 03:48:15 AM

You are a big fan of spin and ignore ramifications.    


What spin?  I posted facts.  It's obvious you can't tell the difference, and that is the fundamental problem with this conversation as I have said from the beginning.

There is, quite clearly, nothing in my post that cannot be factually verified as true as I have stated it.
Facts-from where? FOX news-Trump is a LOSER! Your a fanatic. Fanatics will twist anything to fit there views. Your love of this madman-and yes-the Hitler analogy fits-he talks s**t and folks love his charisma-hes exciting-Manson,Hitler,Trump-all the same s**t-its the cult of personality.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 30, 2016, 03:56:57 AM
Rc/ Skull - it's a reference to Ubu Roi by Alfred Jarry. nothing to do with the KKK

([url]http://ihousephilly.org/uploads/files/823616125400638150-ubu-mounted-855x345.full.jpg[/url])

It's an infamous play about an insane ruler named Pere Ubu. He is pure id and basically the embodiment of everyone's fears about politicians. When it debuted, people apparently clapped and booed at the same time.

it opens with Ubu saying "merdre!" translation = s**tr. Yes that's right s**tr

RC if you get the chance you should watch or read it I thin you would really like it.

Quote
Ubu Roi (Ubu the King or King Ubu) is a play by Alfred Jarry. It was first performed in Paris at the Théâtre de l'Œuvre, causing a riotous response in the audience as it opened and closed on December 10, 1896



I apologize-Skull posted the Klansman-sham on you,Skull. Hillary may be a dishonest b***h-but she aint the Klan.
I dont like her-I dont like Trump-I think were f**ked either way. I would have voted for Sanders-wheres old Ross Perot? Id vote for him!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 30, 2016, 08:27:35 AM

And you folks b***h about Hallows cat s**t gifs-and you compare Hillary to a KKK member. Golly gee .


Sorry but the democrat party are the party of slavery, the kkk, segregation and Jim Crow... If you don't believe me please look it up... Why is it so damn important? I don't know maybe I'm getting tired how the democrats keep telling the black population that they are fighting for them because of racist whites... and that's wrong! I understand that you loved FDR but the guy was a racist!


Quote
He invited Russia to hack us! WTF???

No he didn't... he said, "Maybe the Russians can find the 30,000 missing emails because our Government cannot." MEANING... Her deleted emails on her FREAKING SECRET SERVER... Which if you were given one top secret document to hold and you needed to take a dump and you took the top secret document to the bathroom to take a dump... you would be sent to jail for 8 years because you were not supposed to take the top secret document outside the secured location. There were people that set to jail for this offense. Hillary has proven that she was above the law. This is not right... and to call out Trump treason to suggest Russia to find the deleted emails should be bounced back to the stupid idiot that took the emails...

Oh another thing... those top secret emails don't transfer from one computer to any other computer. They are only transferable to a special computer so for the secret emails to end on her computer, they had to be transferred by a flash drive.


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Republicans are for family values-hes been married  3 times!

Family values only means when your a republican... Meanwhile, Bill Clinton took several trips with Jeffrey Epstein...
You dont get it-Im NOT for Clinton either! If you were for Clinton-I'd be cutting her to pieces as well! I'm not for ANY of them! Their ALL full of s**t!
Sanders-I liked him-and yeah-I'm a socialist-and proud of it.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 30, 2016, 09:13:20 AM
Hillary easily could have came out after the DNC leaks and apologized to Sanders and his followers for what happened and promised him a part in her cabinet or something. She didn't though and now all those people are still p**sed. 60 minutes asked her about them and she goes "you're sandbagging me here". thats how much she gives a s**t. should be good for someone with such awesome people skills to be our president no way that could screw anything up


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 30, 2016, 09:20:06 AM
Hillary easily could have came out after the DNC leaks and apologized to Sanders and his followers for what happened and promised him a part in her cabinet or something. She didn't though and now all those people are still p**sed. 60 minutes asked her about them and she goes "you're sandbagging me here". thats how much she gives a s**t. should be good for someone with such awesome people skills to be our president no way that could screw anything up
For once-we agree-Hillary is full of s**t and just out there for her own self importance in the world.
I don't think she has a clue-we elect her-Slick Willy will be pulling her strings-and I sure the f**k dont like Bill.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 30, 2016, 09:29:38 AM

“[Tim Kaine] wears a Honduras flag pin on his jacket but no American flag,” the state party tweeted as Kaine was speaking. “Shameful.”... 


And....finish the story.

Unlike the SJW crowd that always doubles down in a situation like this, what did the GOP in NC actually do?  How did they respond?

(1) They admitted the mistake.
(2) They apologized for making the mistake.
(3) They removed the tweet (which I don't agree is a proper course of action...flag it "erroneous" or something, but let it stand).

(4) They THANKED THE PRESS for pointing out the error....
Finish the story?  There's the link I provided.  (Y'know that question you ignored, as you always ignore my questions).  The story is the NC GOP were looking for anything that fit their model for vilification.  Same thing you do. 

I saw no apology.  Deleting the post is one of your verifiable facts for which you give a free pass.  THANK the press!!  What are they supposed to do, curse them?  That's spin, Babe.  And again I point out that you include a veiled insult directed at me.  I don't quote it, but you and I both know it's there.  You have a good day now.   


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 30, 2016, 09:37:39 AM
This is the only election which I am really scared-both ways. Obama and Romney was easy-this one-s**t-I dunno-its plain flat out spooky.
I said-way back when-on this board in fact-that Bush Jr. was the worst president.
I may have to change that. Our choices get more insane-the dumbing down of culture has lots to do with it,I think. Nobody actually reads a book anymore-they get all their info from biased TV networks and stupid internet s**t. Nobody knows history-Trumps history is amazingly f**ked up-as is the thought ISIS started with Obama-when the history of ISIS goes waaay back-and no president can be blamed for that insanity.
I DO think we should have carpet bombed them right off the bat-AND sent in ground troops-I am not a pacifist-I just cant understand war for oil-ie-Bush Jr.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 30, 2016, 09:42:14 AM

“[Tim Kaine] wears a Honduras flag pin on his jacket but no American flag,” the state party tweeted as Kaine was speaking. “Shameful.”... 


And....finish the story.

Unlike the SJW crowd that always doubles down in a situation like this, what did the GOP in NC actually do?  How did they respond?

(1) They admitted the mistake.
(2) They apologized for making the mistake.
(3) They removed the tweet (which I don't agree is a proper course of action...flag it "erroneous" or something, but let it stand).

(4) They THANKED THE PRESS for pointing out the error....
Finish the story?  There's the link I provided.  (Y'know that question you ignored, as you always ignore my questions).  The story is the NC GOP were looking for anything that fit their model for vilification.  Same thing you do. 

I saw no apology.  Deleting the post is one of your verifiable facts for which you give a free pass.  THANK the press!!  What are they supposed to do, curse them?  That's spin, Babe.  And again I point out that you include a veiled insult directed at me.  I don't quote it, but you and I both know it's there.  You have a good day now.   

Hallows is RIGHT-the ONLY time Trump mans up is when he's CAUGHT. So does that make what was said  before ok? NO. Thats crazy.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on July 30, 2016, 09:55:26 AM

Quote
He invited Russia to hack us! WTF???

No he didn't... he said, "Maybe the Russians can find the 30,000 missing emails because our Government cannot." MEANING... Her deleted emails on her FREAKING SECRET SERVER... Which if you were given one top secret document to hold and you needed to take a dump and you took the top secret document to the bathroom to take a dump... you would be sent to jail for 8 years because you were not supposed to take the top secret document outside the secured location. There were people that set to jail for this offense. Hillary has proven that she was above the law. This is not right... and to call out Trump treason to suggest Russia to find the deleted emails should be bounced back to the stupid idiot that took the emails...

Oh another thing... those top secret emails don't transfer from one computer to any other computer. They are only transferable to a special computer so for the secret emails to end on her computer, they had to be transferred by a flash drive.
[/quote]

I see it as a poorly structured excuse for a joke, and I'm annoyed by the way the way the press keeps editing out the "punchline", "I'm sure the press would be very grateful!"
If they'd play the whole thing through, people would see that he's not inviting the Russians to do anything because they've already done it.
What he's really doing is taking a jabb at the press.
That's how he's been running his whole campaign.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 30, 2016, 10:03:25 AM
what does it say though that we are so worried about them being in charge. Maybe the presidency has gotten too big. I don't mean in a big vs small gov way but like George Washington didn't have access to nukes. Grover Cleveland didn't take trillions from wall st leaving him vulnerable to corruption.

imagine if it didn't really matter who was president. if the job meant as much as just being a governor. thats what it should be: the next thing above governor and not a big deal. enough history has been made lets just put it on cruise control for a while i say.

don't sget us caught in any wars, don't undermine the economy with over regulation or weird wall st friendly so called de regulation, don't spy on people just do boring stuff thats my manifesto



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 30, 2016, 10:35:02 AM

I saw no apology.


Because you are apparently relying on the inept yahoos at Yahoo for news.  Look to other news sources and you will find that the NC GOP leadership did, in fact, issue an apology.

Quote

  Deleting the post is one of your verifiable facts for which you give a free pass.


Wait.  What?  I acknowledged that they deleted the tweet and I also said I don't agree with do that.  How on this earth do you equate that with me giving them a 'free pass' for that, when I CLEARLY stated I think it was a bad move?

Quote

And again I point out that you include a veiled insult directed at me.


It was not veiled at all.

I stated a true statement.  You read facts and call them "spin."  I pointed out that they "Thanked the Press."  That is a SIMPLE statement of fact.  You called my post "spin."

Now, you can call them thanking the press as spin all you like.  I don't take responsibility for the NC GOP's actions or statements in any way, shape or form.

I merely reported what they said in response to the story.  You know, those pesky little facts (like the apology which you did not know happened) that might be important to the story and people's reaction to it.

This whole bit is about bias in the media.  Yahoo committed some pretty crappy 'journalism' in that story by NOT mentioning some key facts.  It's up to you, the reader, to determine how those facts influence your opinion of the NC GOP based on those facts.  I'm not asking anyone to love them, but at least make your judgments based on the full story, not the crap excuse for "reporting" that Yahoo is very well known for.

Quote

 I don't quote it, but you and I both know it's there.  You have a good day now.    


I made no attempt to hide the statement you are taking as an insult, so what you are doing here is setting up some sort of Straw Man (I tried to be oblique) so you can tear it down by saying you saw through it...even though it was overt, blatant, and I stand by the statement.  

But, I do think it is amusing that you can openly call me annoying, tell me my posts are 'too long' and a number of other things that are nothing but opinion, yet get all twisted up because I pointed out that (to me and possibly most other readers) it was obvious you were having trouble distinguishing the basic facts in my post from spin regarding those facts.

This is how you attempt to control the conversation, and it's a well know pattern online.  Why do you do that rather than just discuss the story?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 30, 2016, 10:37:42 AM
The DNC's digital security woes continue:

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/07/another-democratic-hack.html


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 30, 2016, 11:28:06 AM
...
But, I do think it is amusing that you can openly call me annoying, tell me my posts are 'too long' and a number of other things that are nothing but opinion, yet get all twisted up because I pointed out that (to me and possibly most other readers) it was obvious you were having trouble distinguishing the basic facts in my post from spin regarding those facts.

This is how you attempt to control the conversation, and it's a well know pattern online.  Why do you do that rather than just discuss the story?
First, I did not openly call you annoying.  I called myself annoying in a private message to you.  I wrote you were insulting.  OPENLY?  Is that another one of your "facts"? 
Second, your posts are too long.   
Third, you got another one of your haughty pot shots in there.  Good for you.
Fourth, "attempt to control the conversation"?  I can't imagine what you are on about.  YOU may need to be right and control things, like a "conversation". 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 30, 2016, 11:31:09 AM
And, on the continuing subject of media bias:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/29/tale-two-realities-msm-versus-social-media-dnc/ (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/29/tale-two-realities-msm-versus-social-media-dnc/)

It's fascination that the MSM has been in the tank for not only one party, but one candidate within that party.

And the constituency is mighty upset.

The story continues; the MSM continues to cover up their own collusion.  DNC "unity" is a blatant lie even though it was the official narrative for a good week or more that it would be the RNC for whom party unity would be a big problem.  

Law 3, "Projection," in action.  


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 30, 2016, 11:45:48 AM

What he's really doing is taking a jabb at the press.
That's how he's been running his whole campaign.

Yeah, and that's why Trump is so awesome :)




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on July 30, 2016, 12:37:27 PM

What he's really doing is taking a jabb at the press.
That's how he's been running his whole campaign.

Yeah, and that's why Trump is so awesome :)
Yeah, some people think so, I frankly, I must concede, It's high time somebody turned the mirror on the press.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 30, 2016, 02:22:35 PM
I find this interesting; the hashtag #3WordHillary is trending on twitter right now with just under 150,000 tweets.  A quick glance shows an AWFUL lot of negative tweets on there.

The interesting part is stuff like this

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoodqosXgAAZCui.jpg)

is showing up from known and admitted leftists.

Right now, it's not the "right" that is vilifying her; it's many in her own party.

Sinking ship.  The Dems are going to regret forcing her candidacy on their party.  We are witnessing a party in open revolt.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 30, 2016, 02:52:09 PM
And, regarding who leaked the emails / hacked the DNC:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CookCUIWAAAUa_s.jpg)

DNC / MSM has yet to challenge authenticity of leaked emails.  All they've done is deflect by trying to make the issue about how they were exposed.  This particular fallacy is called ad hominem, and is one of the most commonly employed by those losing a debate.

American Main Stream Media...corrupt, biased liars.  Those of us paying attention have known it for decades; the leaks just help those that wanted to not believe see the truth.

Their lack of faithful coverage of the Democrat Convention furthers the tarnishing of their reputation.  Decimation of the Left's "character" will continue.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 30, 2016, 05:10:12 PM

What he's really doing is taking a jabb at the press.
That's how he's been running his whole campaign.

Yeah, and that's why Trump is so awesome :)



Awesome? AWESOME???

-you think he's AWESOME-like a kid with a video game-It's AWESOME. How old are you? Good god. Yer gona vote for him because he's AWESOME. Godzilla is awesome too-hes Awesome, Dude!  :thumbup:



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 30, 2016, 05:21:14 PM
And, regarding who leaked the emails / hacked the DNC:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CookCUIWAAAUa_s.jpg)

DNC / MSM has yet to challenge authenticity of leaked emails.  All they've done is deflect by trying to make the issue about how they were exposed.  This particular fallacy is called ad hominem, and is one of the most commonly employed by those losing a debate.

American Main Stream Media...corrupt, biased liars.  Those of us paying attention have known it for decades; the leaks just help those that wanted to not believe see the truth.

Their lack of faithful coverage of the Democrat Convention furthers the tarnishing of their reputation.  Decimation of the Left's "character" will continue.
Jebus! You believe every  thing FOX TV tells you?

(https://s26.postimg.org/by7lvfr09/xgod.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/tbhwaamb9/)img host (https://postimage.org/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: AoTFan on July 30, 2016, 05:26:53 PM
Idiot outside the DNC sets himself on fire!

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnDRmGZIgps#)

Also of note the "commentary" on the America flag another idiot in the crowd gives.

I've got NO sympathy for these type of people. Regardless of what you're protesting, to me, gas and matches are NOT play toys.  So, if you get injured playing around with them, whether you're burning the USA flag or a cross well, that's your damn fault.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on July 30, 2016, 05:32:19 PM

What he's really doing is taking a jabb at the press.
That's how he's been running his whole campaign.

Yeah, and that's why Trump is so awesome :)



Awesome? AWESOME???

-you think he's AWESOME-like a kid with a video game-It's AWESOME. How old are you? Good god. Yer gona vote for him because he's AWESOME. Godzilla is awesome too-hes Awesome, Dude!  :thumbup:


In a sad way, yes...
The press tried to destroy this guy by talking about him all the time & none of the other candidates, and now, it's their fault that their weird fascination has caused Trump to become the republican candidate...

And, regarding who leaked the emails / hacked the DNC:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CookCUIWAAAUa_s.jpg)

DNC / MSM has yet to challenge authenticity of leaked emails.  All they've done is deflect by trying to make the issue about how they were exposed.  This particular fallacy is called ad hominem, and is one of the most commonly employed by those losing a debate.

American Main Stream Media...corrupt, biased liars.  Those of us paying attention have known it for decades; the leaks just help those that wanted to not believe see the truth.

Their lack of faithful coverage of the Democrat Convention furthers the tarnishing of their reputation.  Decimation of the Left's "character" will continue.
Jebus! You believe every  thing FOX TV tells you?

(https://s26.postimg.org/by7lvfr09/xgod.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/tbhwaamb9/)img host (https://postimage.org/)

We already have a Cthulhu for president crowd... Why not?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 30, 2016, 05:35:49 PM
Idiot outside the DNC sets himself on fire!

! No longer available ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnDRmGZIgps#[/url])

Also of note the "commentary" on the America flag another idiot in the crowd gives.

I've got NO sympathy for these type of people. Regardless of what you're protesting, to me, gas and matches are NOT play toys.  So, if you get injured playing around with them, whether you're burning the USA flag or a cross well, that's your damn fault.

I agree 100%. If someone gave me 5 bucks and a pack of smokes-I'll light them up and save them time.. I hate hippies. I hate collage kids (I think I said that afore?)
Actually I dont give a f**k-Protesting is a right-but setting s**t on fire is stupid. a***ole-he should throw a moltov cocktai! Burning flags is for amatuers. :twirl:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 30, 2016, 07:15:52 PM
our differences as people are never more apparent than in this thread. I don't even understand what you guys are saying half the time, much less what it has to do with anything. I mean that in the nicest way.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 30, 2016, 08:26:18 PM
our differences as people are never more apparent than in this thread. I don't even understand what you guys are saying half the time, much less what it has to do with anything. I mean that in the nicest way.
Sort of like your Pere Ubu moment? 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on July 30, 2016, 08:37:51 PM
right. it made perfect sense to me


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on July 30, 2016, 09:02:43 PM
Awesome? AWESOME???

-you think he's AWESOME-like a kid with a video game-It's AWESOME. How old are you? Good god. Yer gona vote for him because he's AWESOME.

Yes... I also voted for Sarah Palin because she was awesome. I'd almost didn't vote because I didnt like McCain... but Palin did add some excitement. Romney - well it was I had to vote. I really, really wanted Herman Cain but for some odd reason there women 'claiming sexual harassment' pulled the guy out of the primary. (It's funny because this is what 'honorable gets you - more Obama. Meanwhile, where did those women go? It's like magic - they vanished. [I wonder if there was a hack we'll find out that Obama did this - because there was no way in hell he was going to win a 2nd term while debating against Herman Cain)

If you see the world as I saw it - you might understand why I think Trump is AWESOME.



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Godzilla is awesome too-hes Awesome, Dude!  :thumbup:

Last time I'd check Godzilla was not an American Citizen...  :drink:



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 30, 2016, 10:00:03 PM
Keep dwinkingeh... Keep dwinkingeh...
(http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_liy7n4ubmq1qcay1ao1_500.gif)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on July 30, 2016, 11:56:22 PM
(http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/imce/2016/07-JUL/Screen%20Shot%202016-07-29%20at%204.53.05%20PM_579bc3ec9241c3.33999367.png)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on July 31, 2016, 04:41:03 AM
Keep dwinkingeh... Keep dwinkingeh...
([url]http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_liy7n4ubmq1qcay1ao1_500.gif[/url])


Awesome!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 31, 2016, 08:19:52 PM
Topic: Media Bias in election coverage.

Interesting side by side comparison of two stories on MSNBC:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CovDSmcUIAQtoRF.jpg)

Moral of the story so far: Take everything you read/hear from a MSM source on EITHER candidate with a whopping grain of salt...then forget what you read/heard as the lie or manipulation that it was.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on July 31, 2016, 09:19:11 PM
A truly fascinating read:  "The Case Against the Media, by the Media"

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/case-against-media.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/case-against-media.html)

Lots of insightful introspection there.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 01, 2016, 08:38:49 PM
And, the Main Stream Media crash-n-burn continues:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/01/just-joking-media-apoplectic-khizr-khan-attack-donald-trump-goes-flames/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/01/just-joking-media-apoplectic-khizr-khan-attack-donald-trump-goes-flames/)

Thank-you, Donald Trump.  You have broken the ability of the corrupt media in the United States' ability to manipulate the election for President.  No one trusts them, and they keep stepping on their own d1ck anyway.  It is just glorious to watch this particular bit of history in the making.

Well done, sir.  Keep up the good work.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 01, 2016, 09:07:20 PM
And, the Main Stream Media crash-n-burn continues:

[url]http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/01/just-joking-media-apoplectic-khizr-khan-attack-donald-trump-goes-flames/[/url] ([url]http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/01/just-joking-media-apoplectic-khizr-khan-attack-donald-trump-goes-flames/[/url])

Thank-you, Donald Trump.  You have broken the ability of the corrupt media in the United States' ability to manipulate the election for President.  No one trusts them, and they keep stepping on their own d1ck anyway.  It is just glorious to watch this particular bit of history in the making.

Well done, sir.  Keep up the good work.



That's not surprising...


I heard that Hillary is looking so bad on the polls that they are fixing the numbers (thought that's not surprising either) And Hillary had to cancel her bus tour (Oh you didn't know she had a bus tour - well don't feel bad - nobody else knew).

I think Trump is doing a good job and everybody else (that supposed to be republican/Conservative - stop it with the panic button! It's f'n annoying! It's so annoying that I don't want to listen to you - I'm speaking to you Mark Levin! I've already have personal Glenn Beck Boycott and I really don't want to add Mark Levin to my list - but I will if he's keeps talking down.)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on August 01, 2016, 09:57:02 PM
I live in Virginia, And I'm already sick of the drooling Tim Kaine Worship by the local press! :hatred:
The guy's first act as Governor was to break his Campaign promise not to raise taxes! The very first thing!
In a one term state, they make it easy to forget.
As a senator, I know nothing about him because he wasn't from my district. I think most Virginians don't.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on August 02, 2016, 11:02:23 AM
And, the Main Stream Media crash-n-burn continues:

[url]http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/01/just-joking-media-apoplectic-khizr-khan-attack-donald-trump-goes-flames/[/url] ([url]http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/01/just-joking-media-apoplectic-khizr-khan-attack-donald-trump-goes-flames/[/url])

Thank-you, Donald Trump.  You have broken the ability of the corrupt media in the United States' ability to manipulate the election for President.  No one trusts them, and they keep stepping on their own d1ck anyway.  It is just glorious to watch this particular bit of history in the making.

Well done, sir.  Keep up the good work.



Do you think Breitbart is different from other media for some reason?  You've linked them a few times now.  They're blatantly biased in favor of Trump and alt right stuff.  I guess they don't even attempt to be impartial, so that's different?  I wouldn't normally say anything, but you're repeatedly denouncing media coverage, so it's hard not to comment on it.

As an aside, it'll be a while a while before the convention bumps wear off and we have a really clear picture, but looks like Hillary is essentially close to to tied or a bit above Trump in polls overall now.  Unsurprising. I also notice people who were crowing over polls showing Trump in the lead post RNC now imply the new ones are rigged or selective in some way.  Reminds me of Trump talking about a rigged presidential election. Or going back, Gore/Bush and that fallout. Either you're winning or the other side is cheating.   :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 02, 2016, 12:11:35 PM


Do you think Breitbart is different from other media for some reason?  

I don't see Breitbart emails conspiring with the Democrats to take out Sanders on Wikileaks...   :smile:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 02, 2016, 02:17:55 PM
Trump/Hillary = Cyanide/Arsenic


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 02, 2016, 03:20:21 PM
Trump/Hillary = Cyanide/Arsenic

Hillary is Obama 2 (so what is Obama?)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 02, 2016, 04:53:23 PM
Perhaps the worst foreign policy president of the last 100 years?
But Trump's overweening ignorance of the world promises to make Obama look as skilled in foreign policy as Nixon!

You have to understand, in this election, I hate them both with equal fervor.  I foresee no good outcome for my country in this.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on August 02, 2016, 05:34:47 PM
Perhaps the worst foreign policy president of the last 100 years?
But Trump's overweening ignorance of the world promises to make Obama look as skilled in foreign policy as Nixon!

You have to understand, in this election, I hate them both with equal fervor.  I foresee no good outcome for my country in this.

Out of curiosity, what would you have thought of Sanders as president?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 02, 2016, 07:33:55 PM
Hillary is hardly Obama 2. She's much more hawkish.

" The Libya intervention was later described by Obama as the worst mistake of his Administration. Obama asserted that he had been reluctant to intervene but that intervention had been championed by Clinton and Susan Rice.[309] "

an absolute disaster for the people of Libya and for the world as it's become a base for ISIS.

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Perhaps the worst foreign policy president of the last 100 years?

right behind Wilson, FDR, LBJ, W, ....


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 02, 2016, 08:47:48 PM
Hillary is hardly Obama 2. She's much more hawkish.

" The Libya intervention was later described by Obama as the worst mistake of his Administration. Obama asserted that he had been reluctant to intervene but that intervention had been championed by Clinton and Susan Rice.[309] "

an absolute disaster for the people of Libya and for the world as it's become a base for ISIS.

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Perhaps the worst foreign policy president of the last 100 years?

right behind Wilson, FDR, LBJ, W, ....


I've been hearing that wikileaks has a stack of emails on Hillary/Obama trafficking arms in Libya, and the Benghazi Ambassador was behind the deal.

I really, really thought that Michael Savage was smoking too many banana peels because he believed that ISIS was created by Obama. And if the wikileaks rumor was true - Oh My God! Savage was F'n right!

But I know the FBI will look into this and come out with the same verdict that nothing can be proven because they cannot figure out the intent (or some other bs spin)

As for hawkish... I'm not sure, it seemed that Obama used Hillary to be the fall-guy (or -gal) and she's not living in the real world or she really, really think her s**t don't stink.


Perhaps the worst foreign policy president of the last 100 years?
But Trump's overweening ignorance of the world promises to make Obama look as skilled in foreign policy as Nixon!

You have to understand, in this election, I hate them both with equal fervor.  I foresee no good outcome for my country in this.

The only thing that Obama makes Nixon look is -  honest.


Sorry but you fail to tell me how Hillary can be that bad without connecting the dots to Obama.


Lets face the fact... if you actually connected any dots that shows how bad Obama is then you'll be forced to admit that Hillary is the worst of the 2 options.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 02, 2016, 10:08:11 PM
Skull, I get the fact that you like Trump.  I DON'T.

HE IS A BAD MAN in my opinion, and you can sing his praises all day long and my opinion won't change.
Hillary stinks too.  I will vote for neither of them.

Lester - I get that you think America should practice total isolationism and never intervene anywhere for any reason.
I respectfully disagree.  But if we do step in, we should step in to win.  Period.  Obama hates the idea of America winning.
One more reason I detest him too.

Now, you guys may continue.  I just wanted to register my opinion that all the major candidates in this race SUCK.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 02, 2016, 11:59:50 PM
I'm strongly leaning towards writing in Bernie Sanders for President. I hate Trump's politics and as a person he disgusts me. I'm having issues with Clinton too, albeit not as many as with Trump.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on August 03, 2016, 05:21:41 AM
"The problem with Socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money."

--Margaret Thatcher.

Someone explain to me, please, the morality of taking away the product of an industrious person, and giving it to someone else who did not work for it, because that is what socialism is. I fully get human greed, and know there is a sense of entitlement running rampant in American society, I just don't grasp how under the naked ruthlessness of the philosophy, it can also be justified as in any way fair. Why penalize hard work and success, and consequently reward indolence? Because that is exactly what Sanders' platform would achieve.

Can anyone cite one, just one, time in all of human history when socialism outperformed capitalism? Or even distributism? Or for that matter Communism, which had the advantage of being able to terrorize a little productivity out of those enslaved under it?

I think in pre-industrial times a socialist model would have been even less tolerated than today, since in a population of hunter-gatherers or agricultural laborers, a lazy person would have stood out as even more apparent. Why would someone go track a deer all day and give most of it to someone who did not go track and kill and haul in a deer? Or to someone who did not till a field and harvest it?

So why should it be any fairer when someone works for a living and in effect presents a portion of those hours of labor to someone who did not work? Can you imagine--just imagine---you make something with your own hands, a birdhouse, a knit sweater, a painting, and then some people who were standing around while you made this came over and said, "Part of what you just created belongs to me." Would that sit well with you? Probably not. Yet invisibly (or sometimes not so invisibly) that is what socialism  puts into effect.

I've said it before but I think Billy Corgan hit the nail on the head: "I wrote these songs. Why should someone who didn't write them make money off them?"

To take that back a degree, I work, so why should I work part of the time to make up for someone who isn't working? Where is the motivation to innovate, to labor, to be exceptional, when that is penalized, or when being lazy allows you to take another person's work and profit from it?

Socialism is not fair and it has failed so often it astonishes me that it still has any appeal, but then again the lazy and greedy and impressionable will always be among us. There will always be a new crop of young out to shock their elders and do it better than they did. There will always be have-nots envious of those who have more. There will perpetually exist groups who resent and criticize and seek to punish and to climb ahead on someone else's efforts. The cool thing is, though, while the lazy have the numbers, the rest of us tend to be better educated, personally stronger...and better armed. :-)

Want a more prosperous life? Work harder! Stop blaming other people. Stop wanting what you haven't earned. People get what they deserve more often than they like to think in this life, and more often than not we lie down in the bed we made for ourselves.

Socialism destroys what it touches. Why it will not roll over and die I have no idea.

My kid got me up two hours early today, so I'm feeling more annoyed with the stupidity and laziness of the ever-yapping world than usual. Therefore this place inherits my rant.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 03, 2016, 06:31:11 AM
"The problem with Socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money."

--Margaret Thatcher.

Someone explain to me, please, the morality of taking away the product of an industrious person, and giving it to someone else who did not work for it, because that is what socialism is. I fully get human greed, and know there is a sense of entitlement running rampant in American society, I just don't grasp how under the naked ruthlessness of the philosophy, it can also be justified as in any way fair. Why penalize hard work and success, and consequently reward indolence? Because that is exactly what Sanders' platform would achieve.


The problem is that most people don't understand that sloths are taking away money from hard working people. They view the system as what I have and what I can live by vs what somebody else has and why don't they settle for less?



Sanders platform was intended to make Hillary Conservative lite. The only problem was that too many democrats want 'Santa Claus 2' therefore she had to bend towards Sanders. Sanders was never intended to be nominated on the democrat side because there seemed to be a deal made in 2008 that Hillary would run for the democrats in 2016. This is why there was no other 'good' democrats running for president. And I also believe this agreement went to the rhino side because Jeb Bush would never had a chance to win (especially because the American people were brainwashed into believing that his brother killed the economy).

 
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My kid got me up two hours early today, so I'm feeling more annoyed with the stupidity and laziness of the ever-yapping world than usual. Therefore this place inherits my rant.

Political rants are always welcomed :)


Skull, I get the fact that you like Trump.  I DON'T.



I understand that you don't like Trump. I've always understand it. But I don't understand your reason. Sorry but it don't make sense since you seemed to like the republicans from the start. Sure Trump is no Conservative, but neither was McCain or Romney. And Trump is nothing like Hillary.

I've never liked Obama, this goes way-way back in 2006 or 7 when he voted for a law that allowed doctors to kill surviving aborted babies. I hated Hillary when the first words came out of her mouth was "You didn't just vote for Bill but you also have me as President." (I was like who the f**k voted for a first lady for president!) I also know she was calling the shots while Bill was getting his BJ.

And so far I had not saw a democrat policy that did any help; besides keeping voters slaved to vote for the machine. I'm from Chicago and all I see is corrupt democrats.

I know the reasons why I hate Obama and Hillary and why I like Trump... Sorry but I still don't know why you hate Trump (it seemed to me that you are buying into the media anti-Trump propaganda but you seemed to be smarter then this... Heck, you said it yourself that you don't like Glenn Beck.)


Sorry but that's why I keep hounding you on this :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 03, 2016, 09:32:53 AM
India - Libya is a total disaster. if that's your template for our "place in the world" it's a better argument against empire than I could ever make.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 03, 2016, 10:28:46 AM
We toppled a strong man and then pretty much did nothing once he was gone - and chaos took over.
It should have been handled much better.
I have pretty much come to the conclusion that it takes a thug to rule barbarians; we just need to make sure it's the right kind of thug.
Otherwise, we get more Libyas.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 03, 2016, 05:14:57 PM
Another terror attack in France last week...no word on US MSM as of yet.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 03, 2016, 05:29:42 PM

Do you think Breitbart is different from other media for some reason?  You've linked them a few times now.


I specifically picked Breitbart articles hoping you would asking this exact stupid question.

Are the facts reported in the articles linked true or not?  If the MSM were reporting facts, I'd link to them as well, but they are not.

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They're blatantly biased in favor of Trump and alt right stuff.


So, a Tu quoque fallacy, then?

The alt-right 'media' are the only ones reporting on this stuff.  The MSM is ignoring some BIG stories, such as the degree of protests (by leftists) at the Democrat Convention.  And, it was shown LIVE on periscope and other live streams as it was happening, not just reported by Breitbart the next day.

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  I guess they don't even attempt to be impartial, so that's different?  I wouldn't normally say anything, but you're repeatedly denouncing media coverage, so it's hard not to comment on it.


What are you commenting on, specifically?  Are the facts in the story or not?  Facts are not up for "argument" and nor are facts "impartial."  A story happened or it didn't.  A tweet was made or it wasn't.  Again, the MSM has the opportunity to report on what is happening/has happened, but they refuse to do so.

I linked above to a long article where "the media" turns introspective, and there was a lot of good stuff there.  I'm guessing you did not read it given you mistakenly think I'm pandering to my own 'selection bias' by linking to Breitbart a couple of times (and to be sure, Breitbart is not the only source I've referenced).

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Unsurprising. I also notice people who were crowing over polls showing Trump in the lead post RNC now imply the new ones are rigged or selective in some way. 


And, who are those people exactly?  Nearly everyone I've been reading and/or talking to predicted an HRC bounce after the convention as always happens.  I did see one person predict, during the Convention, that Clinton would get a 'negative bounce,' but that was just one.  And, I don't know if anyone took that prediction seriously.

Do you have links showing people saying these specific polls are rigged against Trump?  I kinda doubt it but would love to see 'em if they exist.  I just did a quick online search and saw no result quoting anyone saying these polls are rigged.

The big stories on the 'rigged elections' commentary have been regarding the INTERNAL rigging inside the DNC favoring Hillary over Sanders.  THAT's what everyone has been talking about in keeping "rigged elections" in the news: that Clinton stole the nomination from Sanders.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on August 03, 2016, 06:27:22 PM
I didn't comment on the actual Breitbart story as my intention wasn't to criticize the story itself. I was honestly curious on your POV after hearing your previous negative comments on the media in general and wantrd to hear your thoughts on Breitbart - it wasn't intended as a loaded question.  Your attitude, insults, and now admitted baiting makes it obvious you're an unpleasant person to talk to about this stuff, so I won't any longer.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 04, 2016, 05:43:13 AM

I have pretty much come to the conclusion that it takes a thug to rule barbarians; we just need to make sure it's the right kind of thug.


There is an issue with Islam Religion and it's called Sharia Law...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 04, 2016, 07:49:10 AM
I didn't comment on the actual Breitbart story as my intention wasn't to criticize the story itself. I was honestly curious on your POV after hearing your previous negative comments on the media in general and wantrd to hear your thoughts on Breitbart - it wasn't intended as a loaded question.  Your attitude, insults, and now admitted baiting makes it obvious you're an unpleasant person to talk to about this stuff, so I won't any longer.


So, predictably, nothing but ad hominem and no substantive response to my questions. 

Specifically: If Breitbart is a news source reporting on the story, and their story contains irrefutable facts, why NOT link to them as a reference to the story?

Saying "I don't like what you are saying" is not a logical argument.

To again answer your question, as I have stated numerous times now, my reason for linking to stories is to relate facts. 

Breitbart is reporting those facts; the MSM is not. 

That's my POV.  I'll link to news source publishing articles relevant to the discussion of the campaign for US President.  As I pointed out above, I HAVE linked to other news sources, some of which (in ad hominem fashion) could be criticized as being "left leaning."

Facts are facts, but for some reason (which I actually DO understand), they are anathema in contemporary American discourse on serious topics.

So, this whole "Why is Breitbart ok by CNN is not?" bit is nothing but deflection.  It is the content of the Breitbart article that we SHOULD be discussing.

So, in regard to the last article I posted:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/01/just-joking-media-apoplectic-khizr-khan-attack-donald-trump-goes-flames/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/01/just-joking-media-apoplectic-khizr-khan-attack-donald-trump-goes-flames/)

Is it true or is it not that the MSM failed to properly vet their story on a figure the Clinton campaign pushed upon the public?

Is it true or is it not true that the when called on this amateurish attempt at vetting their story, the MSM response appeared coordinated and nothing but deflection?

There are other facts reported in that story, and they merit discussion...or, at least knowing about.  The story is interesting, and weaves a CONTINUING tapestry of corruption in the Clinton campaign and the MSM's failure to do their job as "The Fourth Estate" in reporting THAT story.

In short: the reason I linked to Breitbart for this story was that was where the facts of story were reported.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 04, 2016, 09:18:55 AM
Some interesting names on this list, and interesting comments they made back in 2015.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/15/trump_s_first_believers_from_joe_scarborough_to_a_masculinity_expert.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/15/trump_s_first_believers_from_joe_scarborough_to_a_masculinity_expert.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 04, 2016, 10:36:40 AM
Some interesting names on this list, and interesting comments they made back in 2015.

[url]http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/15/trump_s_first_believers_from_joe_scarborough_to_a_masculinity_expert.html[/url] ([url]http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/15/trump_s_first_believers_from_joe_scarborough_to_a_masculinity_expert.html[/url])


LOL I thought this post was meant for this tread :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 04, 2016, 12:18:07 PM

LOL I thought this post was meant for this tread :)


{Yep.  Not once but twice.  Call me a "Can't Read a Thread Title Goober" now!}

Control the Narrative, control the culture.  As culture goes, so goes politics:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/wearing-dont-tread-on-me-insignia-could-be-punishable-racial-harassment/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/wearing-dont-tread-on-me-insignia-could-be-punishable-racial-harassment/)

This is what the NeverTrump crowd has not accepted.  Trump has broken this kind of stranglehold on the public discourse.

Consider the new Hate Speech laws in Britain and how similar laws are being applied in Germany as foreshadowing for what is down the path we in the US are on.  People are being jailed for asking questions about Merkel's immigration strategy.

"Hate speech" as a crime, as it's defined in European jurisdictions, is up to the listener.  There is no uniform way to apply such a law.  It rests SOLELY on someone claiming a given word or phrase was offensive TO THEM.  This seems to be part of the argument Volokh is making; there is no specific harassment outlined in the suit's public record.  The entire suit is based on one person's interpretation of what the hat MIGHT have meant and only to ONE individual.

This has serious repercussions in the legal system. No other crime is based on a subjective, after-the-fact opinion of victimhood.  Theft, rape, robbery, murder...these things are based on objective fact.  "Someone said something I did not like" is not, cannot be, a crime in any rational justice system at least pretending to be fair to all citizens.

But further, it's the uneven application of this "Hate Speech" ideology that is problematic.  Twitter's recent flap with banning conservatives for less than they let those inciting violence is an example, as is Facebook's selectively filtering posts, deleting links (to "Conservative" sources, like, um, wikileaks - hardly traditionally conservative) and banning/blocking users is another.

There are several major, fundamental issues being fought over in this election.  If we can rise above the day-to-day and step outside the personalities of the two major candidates (one of which will be the next POTUS), we can distill the election to a small number of core Constitutional principles.

For example, do we believe in "Freedom of Speech" or not?  I'm not talking about the specifics of "Congress Shall Pass No Law..." but rather the spirit with which that amendment was written.  If the wikileaks scandal has not focused attention on what this ultimately means, I don't know what will.

The degree to which the MSM fell all over itself trying to discredit the leaks without addressing the content AT ALL should be very telling.  One side in this election has no philosophical commitment to Freedom of Speech. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 04, 2016, 05:03:15 PM
A handy quote from Libertarian commentator Stefan Molyneux:

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"Political correctness is an attack on any knowledge that would serve to curb state power."


That sums up the lion's share of MSM's complicity in pushing "The Narrative" and playing Alinsky's tactics; they are in the bag for "the State."  Further, it explains the ire against Trump - from both the left and right Statist establishments.

This one's worth repeating, since Molyneux's quote gives it some present day context:

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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

--Joseph Goebbels


{my emphasis added}

In a nutshell, this is why alt-right news sources are able to crack the narrative: the narrative is a BIG FAT LIE.  Propaganda always reveals itself eventually.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on August 04, 2016, 05:17:03 PM
I'm every bit as sick of that ad as Trump is! I can't believe the press is now trying to pretend it hasn't been playing all day, every day for month's on end! :hatred:

Ludicrous! :hatred:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 04, 2016, 05:31:08 PM
Apostrophe "s" is the possessive case.  Just add an "s" to pluralize in most cases.   :smile:  

A handy quote from Libertarian commentator Stefan Molyneux:
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"Political correctness is an attack on any knowledge that would serve to curb state power."

That sums up the lion's share of MSM's complicity in pushing "The Narrative" and playing Alinsky's tactics; they are in the bag for "the State."  Further, it explains the ire against Trump - from both the left and right Statist establishments.
This one's worth repeating, since Molyneux's quote gives it some present day context:
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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
--Joseph Goebbels

{my emphasis added}
In a nutshell, this is why alt-right news sources are able to crack the narrative: the narrative is a BIG FAT LIE.  Propaganda always reveals itself eventually.
 

(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Winnie_38941b_292192.gif)  



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 04, 2016, 09:11:30 PM
another characteristic of our age is lack of self reflection. I was thinking the other day how Muslims and gun owners are both totally incredulous and don't sense they have even so much as a PR problem. The same goes for the media. trump goes to these rallies and is like the media are totally out of touch, they have no idea whats going on then the media will respond with a haughty article by someone from the George w bush administration. I don't get the sense that the media have thought very much about what they represent in this campaign. Sometimes it seems like Trump must be paying them to play their part so well. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 04, 2016, 09:15:12 PM
Interesting read:  "Is Hillary Clinton Corrupt? An Archive of Financial Improprieties" by Kristi Culpepper

https://medium.com/@munilass/is-hillary-clinton-corrupt-an-archive-of-financial-improprieties-5d6efc01111#.o09d5y24b


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 04, 2016, 09:37:16 PM
(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Winnie_38941b_292192.gif)  

From The Washington Post:  

The unbearable stench of Trump’s B.S.  

...Harry Frankfurt concludes that liars and truth-tellers are both acutely aware of facts and truths. They are just choosing to play on opposite sides of the same game to serve their own ends. The B.S. artist, however, has lost all connection with reality. He pays no attention to the truth. “By virtue of this,” Frankfurt writes, “bulls**t is a greater enemy of truth than lies are...”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-unbearable-stench-of-trumps-bs/2016/08/04/aa5d2798-5a6e-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-c%3Ahomepage%2Fstory (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-unbearable-stench-of-trumps-bs/2016/08/04/aa5d2798-5a6e-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-c%3Ahomepage%2Fstory)  

(http://new2.fjcdn.com/gifs/Interesting+toilet_8efce5_4695730.gif)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 05, 2016, 12:20:27 AM
It's not what the media says about Trump that repulses me.
It's the arrogance, ignorance, and evil that comes out of his own mouth.
I mean - there are times that I look at the news and think: "My God, did he actually SAY that??"
I think the best thing that could happen for American would be for a giant meteor to pulverize both front runners and let us start this whole process over.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 05, 2016, 05:12:18 AM
It's not what the media says about Trump that repulses me.
It's the arrogance, ignorance, and evil that comes out of his own mouth.
I mean - there are times that I look at the news and think: "My God, did he actually SAY that??"
I think the best thing that could happen for American would be for a giant meteor to pulverize both front runners and let us start this whole process over.

Awesome so can you give me the 3 examples.


1, is arrogance...

2, is ignorance...

3, is evil..


I can believe arrogance but I would like to know the other 2... Thanks. :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 05, 2016, 07:53:40 AM
HP Lovecraft's thoughts on immigration:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-prophecy-of-hp-lovecraft.html (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-prophecy-of-hp-lovecraft.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 05, 2016, 08:09:24 AM

It's the arrogance, ignorance, and evil that comes out of his own mouth.


How does "evil" come out of someone's mouth?  This is new age, SJW horse crap.  Evil is an action, a deed, not words.

And, just out of curiosity, what "evil" are you talking about?  I've not heart Trump talk about murdering people, or sending our military into 3rd World Villages to rape and slaughter the people there. 

Or, maybe what is evil is his slogan "Make America Great Again?"  Is that the evil?

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I mean - there are times that I look at the news and think: "My God, did he actually SAY that??"


Yeah, he probably did.  And guess what: the world did not come crashing to an end because one man said something YOU did not like.

In fact, none of these "evil" things he has said has hurt his candidacy at all.  In fact, his support has grown.  That would indicate that a lot of people sure don't mind these "evil" things he sometimes says.  Some may even like it.  Some may even think they NEED to be said!  How dare they...right?

The days of playing "Politically Correct" are over.  For that Trump is a hero, not a villain.  I get that you disagree with that statement...that for some reason a bunch of pontificating morons dancing around issues rather than calling things what they are is preferable.

But here's the pointed secret: That's EXACTLY what all this is about.  People that want to 'police' public conversations are no longer in control of the conversation.  And, that P's them Right On Off.

The until-now 'silent majority' in American politics is comprised of leftists and rightists that are properly VERY ANGRY at this speech and thought policing, equally angry at the lies and corruption in the MSM and very rightfully distrustful of the Federal government and the establishment parties.

Trump is an effect representing that anger.  His success right now is a push-back against a completely corrupt system.  It remains to be seen how successful this push-back will be, but the growth of his candidacy and the ineffective 'attacks' on him are indicative that the push-back is gaining momentum, not losing it.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 05, 2016, 08:57:07 AM
Since you asked, Skull:

OK - Arrogance:  His constant insistence that he and he alone can solve every problem, fix every crisis, that he is the "greatest" at everything he does - even his insistence that he is "more humble than most people know."  (CLUE: Humble people don't brag about their humility.)  His constant lies ("thousands of Muslims celebrating in the streets and on the rooftops in NJ on 9/11") and his insistence that his statements are true, even when they are proved otherwise.  He is Goebbel's "big lie" personified.

Ignorance:  Well, here you have a guy who doesn't understand that Presidents don't "reign."  He has used that term repeatedly to describe the administration of his predecessors.  Kings reign, Presidents preside.  Calling the TPTP (I may have that acronym wrong) a concession to China when, in fact, it was an attempt to limit China's financial influence in the Pacific.  Virtually everything he says about American government and the Constitution is factually flawed, and betrays a true ignorance of how our system of government works.

Evil:  First of all, Ulthar, WORDS promote actions, and words that are evil promote evil deeds.  There could have been no Holocaust without Hitler's speeches in the 1920's.  To me, the moment that crystallized it all was Trump's mocking of a disabled reporter.  For a man with incredible wealth and power already, seeking to become the most powerful man on earth, to stoop to mocking someone's disability, shows a complete and utter lack of conscience or morals.  And then there is his statement that we have to "go after the families" of terrorists.  Killing women and children because of who they are related to is what is generally referred to as "evil."

As for Trump's wild, enthusiastic support among a large segment of the American population, it simply proves to me the truth of a quote attributed to Alexander Hamilton:  "Your mob, sir, is one great beast!"  Trump's success proves to me that a large percentage of our people have become  a very angry, ignorant, bigoted mob.

I have said it before:  If Donald Trump is the very best thing that the GOP has to offer America, we deserve to lose.  In fact, we deserve to be curb-stomped a la AMERICAN HISTORY X. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 05, 2016, 09:40:16 AM
Go get 'em Indy !!!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 05, 2016, 11:29:06 AM
It's too bad that trumps platform has gotten lost in the discussion of his personality because his ideas on national defense and trade are more interesting than most candidates'. certainly than Hillary's.

Trump gets thousands and thousands of people to his rallies on the basis of them not his various outrages. 6000 people in Columbus Ohio didn't go to see him make fun of a disabled reporter. they want their jobs and country back.

52 percent of ppl in the UK voted for BREXIT to the utter and total bafflement of the other 48 percent. The same thing is happening here.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 05, 2016, 11:46:04 AM
Since you asked, Skull:

Thanks  :)


I don't think we are ever going to an agreement... but I'm please that you post this. It does give me a good idea in understanding your standing. Although, you have the right... My focus is not to change your opinion but to address this for others to see and give them a chance to judge.


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OK - Arrogance:  His constant insistence that he and he alone can solve every problem, fix every crisis, that he is the "greatest" at everything he does - even his insistence that he is "more humble than most people know."  (CLUE: Humble people don't brag about their humility.)  His constant lies ("thousands of Muslims celebrating in the streets and on the rooftops in NJ on 9/11") and his insistence that his statements are true, even when they are proved otherwise.  He is Goebbel's "big lie" personified.


There was Muslims celebrating of the fall of the Twin Towers.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogNdQ-CSQww (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogNdQ-CSQww)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5BtQgTGOI4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5BtQgTGOI4)


I'm not sure who had proven Trump wrong? I know the media spin this for a few weeks then suddenly we got youtube videos showing that Trump was correct. (Did you fall asleep when this happen? Or did the media stop spinning and fail to correct themselves.)


Goebbels as in Joesph Goebbels (you do know calling a Trump a Nazi looses the argument because you are calling his supporters NAZIS) I'm said it many times... if Trump is a Nazi - show me proof. Don't just say it because the terrorist (who are muslims) are not like the Jews in  1930's. There is no connection. Also the Muslims in the middle east was on the side of the Nazis in the 1930's.




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Ignorance:  Well, here you have a guy who doesn't understand that Presidents don't "reign."  He has used that term repeatedly to describe the administration of his predecessors.  Kings reign, Presidents preside.  Calling the TPTP (I may have that acronym wrong) a concession to China when, in fact, it was an attempt to limit China's financial influence in the Pacific.  Virtually everything he says about American government and the Constitution is factually flawed, and betrays a true ignorance of how our system of government works.



I've been hearing lots of talk about the TPP. Trump stands in the position of thinking it's bad because China has been taking advantage of the deal. Is it good or bad? (that's why debates are necessary).


As for Kings reign... Hmmm... President Bush and President Bush (and another Bush running for president)... President Clinton and President *Clinton.* Doesn't this sound like a reign?

What about Obama making laws and taking out parts of the laws [Healthcare]. Or what Obama blackmailing the schools "You must have transgender bathrooms or no federal funding" Or Obama 'amnesty' for illegal immigrant minors (you know the reason why we have trains loaded with children crossing the borders) Or what about Obama coming out and saying that "Trump is not fit to run for president" (we never had a president that done this before). I swear Obama has been playing King for almost 8 years.

Sadly because our education system sucks ass - most of the voters think a president is doing a good job because they act like kings (Obama good approval ratings) or maybe too many Americans think everything sucks because of Bush (even though He's has not been in office for almost 8 years). Though I don't know what the rhinos were smoking to think that Jeb Bush had a shot to be president; and I say that because I do know most of the Americans still think our problem is because of Bush.




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Evil:  First of all, Ulthar, WORDS promote actions, and words that are evil promote evil deeds.

lol... I saw that mistake. The most vile thing I heard was Hillary and Obama saying the Benghazi attack was caused by a video and they arrested the film maker. This is beyond evil because the president and secetary of state pointed a finger and arrested somebody to cover-up their mistake. And without due process. But that's how Obama rolls. Due process most be something that he fail in class; because he was quick on calling Darren Wilson a racist police officer even though Darren Wilson was proven that he did act correctly in shooting Michael Brown. (Ok Obama didn't actually call Wilson a racist but he strongly implied those words - so yes evil can be expressed by words spoken)




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There could have been no Holocaust without Hitler's speeches in the 1920's.

I don't think Hitler originally expressed the killing of the Jews in his speeches. I could be wrong but I swear one of the biggest conflict with the German's Jews was they didn't know - and most of the Germans didn't know publicly. Sure I could be wrong; and I'll be ok if you can correct me on this - this is one of those things I would enjoy reading.  


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To me, the moment that crystallized it all was Trump's mocking of a disabled reporter. For a man with incredible wealth and power already, seeking to become the most powerful man on earth, to stoop to mocking someone's disability, shows a complete and utter lack of conscience or morals.

Ok that's fair. I had not see this but I heard about this incident. I don't see it being evil... Stupid, sure... Funny, sure (I guess if Trump was a comedian it won't be seen as an issue)... Obama once said he bowling score was bad that he could compete against special Olympics (I took it was a funny comment but others were offended - but I don't think what Obama said was evil either)

On the other hand, if Trump said the disable reporter should be shot - well that would be evil.

But I'll give you a half a point because it seemed that you are offended by Trump's stupid comment.


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And then there is his statement that we have to "go after the families" of terrorists.  Killing women and children because of who they are related to is what is generally referred to as "evil."

Please note that the media had made it look like Trump is going to have soldiers running into the Terrorist homes and shooting up innocent 5 year-old and new born babies...  :buggedout:

It shows that you have little understanding the Islamic Terrorist. Most and I'm willing to say 99% of the terrorist are all family members. It's hard to believe but this hatred is raised from generation to generation to generation. Brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers... (as I said if the FBI treated the terrorist like the Manson Family - the terror attacks will end in a year)

For example, 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting, Omar Mateen [oddly it was reported that he did cheer in the 911 twin tower attack] his father happens to have a questionable history (I've posted this on this thread).








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As for Trump's wild, enthusiastic support among a large segment of the American population, it simply proves to me the truth of a quote attributed to Alexander Hamilton:  "Your mob, sir, is one great beast!"  Trump's success proves to me that a large percentage of our people have become  a very angry, ignorant, bigoted mob.I have said it before:  If Donald Trump is the very best thing that the GOP has to offer America, we deserve to lose.  In fact, we deserve to be curb-stomped a la AMERICAN HISTORY X.  

Well the mob is angry because the republicans created this mob. If the republicans did what they promised in 2014 we wouldn't be voting for Trump to be the wrecking ball.

Also I do feel a little offended that you calling the mob bigoted... I'm no bigot.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 05, 2016, 09:09:21 PM
Let me put it this way:  in my very wide social media circle, the more racist and bigoted a person is, the stronger a Trump supporter they are. 
I do disagree with probably at least 80% of what Obama has done.  But this isn't about Obama, it's about Trump.  I simply don't see him as any improvement.

At any rate, we may never agree on this.  But I think you and all the other Trump supporters are going to be sad little puppies on election day when you see how many Americans truly HATE this cancer you have inflicted on us.

A shame, too.  Hillary is a very weak, beatable candidate.  But I predict she will crush Trump.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 06, 2016, 05:26:47 AM
Let me put it this way:  in my very wide social media circle, the more racist and bigoted a person is, the stronger a Trump supporter they are.

All I know is that most anti-Trump areas are hard to talk because they cannot get the words Nazi/bigot out of the conversation. And because of that most Trump supporters don't waste there time online talking or debating the political issues..



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I do disagree with probably at least 80% of what Obama has done.  

I think I'm more shock to know that you agree with 20% of Obama. I'm not sure what the 20% is but this frightens me because I saw nothing that he done that I can agree.



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But this isn't about Obama, it's about Trump.  

It is because Hillary cannot run against Obama. And Obama is pushing Hillary for Obama part 2.


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I simply don't see him as any improvement.

Well if you agree with 20% of Obama then I guess you'll never...


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At any rate, we may never agree on this.  

That's true but my aim was never to make you agree with me. My aim is for those other readers that support Trump. Sorry, but I know they are silent because they don't want to be called a Nazi/Bigot. And I'm pointing out that calling Trump a Nazi/Bigot without real proof that he's is such - well you don't have any tangible message other then to silent free speech.


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But I think you and all the other Trump supporters are going to be sad little puppies on election day when you see how many Americans truly HATE this cancer you have inflicted on us.


Yeah, there was no guarantee that Reagan was going to be a good president. But since I do know that you agree with 20% of Obama that I can understand what you mean by cancer. Like I said before, the American people that stood up in 2010 and 2014 to vote the republicans into office - demanded them to be the opposition of Obama (because they disagree 100% on Obama changes) and all they saw was compromise. The republican created Trump.  


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A shame, too.  Hillary is a very weak, beatable candidate.  But I predict she will crush Trump.

The only prediction I have and fear is that Trump wins 60% of the popular vote and the Electoral College elects Hillary as president. Then we are going to witness the birth of a Second Civil War.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 06, 2016, 08:39:51 AM
Trump will be lucky to win 40% of the popular vote. You are blind to how many of us hate and fear him.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 06, 2016, 11:08:50 AM
My local paper today had something that made me laugh. Robin Vos a member of the Wisconsin State Assembly. He basically said that because Trump didn't endorse Paul Ryan in the local Republican primary that's too damn far for him.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 06, 2016, 11:36:10 AM
I don't see how all this personality talk plays out policy wise. Who cares if the guy is rude if he has good ideas. George w Bush was a "good man" who killed thousands of people in an unnecessary war and made our country the laughing stock of the world. gold went from 250 an ounce to like 1000 thats just pure inflation and fear. Katrina, Abu ghraib, he couldn't even speak properly but he allegedly went to church so that makes up for it? actions speak louder than words, Peopel around the world are going to hate the President of america anyway

If trumps brings manufacturing back that will have a positive effect on the opiod epidemic and if he serves notice to our alleged allies that they have to defend themselves or at least chip in for their own protection that will have positive ramifications as well. "Why are borrowing from China to defend the rest of Asia from China?" - PJ BUchanan

and obviously he knows a thing or two about business look what he's built.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on August 06, 2016, 01:06:23 PM
Since you asked, Skull:


Thanks  :)


I don't think we are ever going to an agreement... but I'm please that you post this. It does give me a good idea in understanding your standing. Although, you have the right... My focus is not to change your opinion but to address this for others to see and give them a chance to judge.


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OK - Arrogance:  His constant insistence that he and he alone can solve every problem, fix every crisis, that he is the "greatest" at everything he does - even his insistence that he is "more humble than most people know."  (CLUE: Humble people don't brag about their humility.)  His constant lies ("thousands of Muslims celebrating in the streets and on the rooftops in NJ on 9/11") and his insistence that his statements are true, even when they are proved otherwise.  He is Goebbel's "big lie" personified.



There was Muslims celebrating of the fall of the Twin Towers.




[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogNdQ-CSQww[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogNdQ-CSQww[/url])



[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5BtQgTGOI4[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5BtQgTGOI4[/url])


I'm not sure who had proven Trump wrong? I know the media spin this for a few weeks then suddenly we got youtube videos showing that Trump was correct. (Did you fall asleep when this happen? Or did the media stop spinning and fail to correct themselves.)


Goebbels as in Joesph Goebbels (you do know calling a Trump a Nazi looses the argument because you are calling his supporters NAZIS) I'm said it many times... if Trump is a Nazi - show me proof. Don't just say it because the terrorist (who are muslims) are not like the Jews in  1930's. There is no connection. Also the Muslims in the middle east was on the side of the Nazis in the 1930's.


There were a few people celebrating, particularly Palestinians. There are also people who say that Hitler did nothing wrong, and that the Holocaust wasn't real. There are bad people in the world, we shouldn't condemn a population of people when a smaller proportion is the cause to be angry at.

The second part of Nazis though, I do hope you are sincere about that and aren't serious about what you said way back in the thread about Obama having death trains and is like Hitler.


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Ignorance:  Well, here you have a guy who doesn't understand that Presidents don't "reign."  He has used that term repeatedly to describe the administration of his predecessors.  Kings reign, Presidents preside.  Calling the TPTP (I may have that acronym wrong) a concession to China when, in fact, it was an attempt to limit China's financial influence in the Pacific.  Virtually everything he says about American government and the Constitution is factually flawed, and betrays a true ignorance of how our system of government works.



I've been hearing lots of talk about the TPP. Trump stands in the position of thinking it's bad because China has been taking advantage of the deal. Is it good or bad? (that's why debates are necessary).


As for Kings reign... Hmmm... President Bush and President Bush (and another Bush running for president)... President Clinton and President *Clinton.* Doesn't this sound like a reign?

What about Obama making laws and taking out parts of the laws [Healthcare]. Or what Obama blackmailing the schools "You must have transgender bathrooms or no federal funding" Or Obama 'amnesty' for illegal immigrant minors (you know the reason why we have trains loaded with children crossing the borders) Or what about Obama coming out and saying that "Trump is not fit to run for president" (we never had a president that done this before). I swear Obama has been playing King for almost 8 years.

Sadly because our education system sucks ass - most of the voters think a president is doing a good job because they act like kings (Obama good approval ratings) or maybe too many Americans think everything sucks because of Bush (even though He's has not been in office for almost 8 years). Though I don't know what the rhinos were smoking to think that Jeb Bush had a shot to be president; and I say that because I do know most of the Americans still think our problem is because of Bush.




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Evil:  First of all, Ulthar, WORDS promote actions, and words that are evil promote evil deeds.


lol... I saw that mistake. The most vile thing I heard was Hillary and Obama saying the Benghazi attack was caused by a video and they arrested the film maker. This is beyond evil because the president and secetary of state pointed a finger and arrested somebody to cover-up their mistake. And without due process. But that's how Obama rolls. Due process most be something that he fail in class; because he was quick on calling Darren Wilson a racist police officer even though Darren Wilson was proven that he did act correctly in shooting Michael Brown. (Ok Obama didn't actually call Wilson a racist but he strongly implied those words - so yes evil can be expressed by words spoken)




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There could have been no Holocaust without Hitler's speeches in the 1920's.


I don't think Hitler originally expressed the killing of the Jews in his speeches. I could be wrong but I swear one of the biggest conflict with the German's Jews was they didn't know - and most of the Germans didn't know publicly. Sure I could be wrong; and I'll be ok if you can correct me on this - this is one of those things I would enjoy reading.  

Here you go my good sir. http://www.hitler.org/speeches/ (http://www.hitler.org/speeches/)
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For us there are only two possiblities: either we remain German or we come under the thumb of the Jews. This latter must not occur; even if we are small, we are a force. A well-organized group can conquer a strong enemy. If you stick close together and keep bringing in new people, we will be victorious over the Jews.

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And finally we were also the first to point the people on any large scale to a danger which insinuated itself into our midst - a danger which millions failed to realize and which will nonetheless lead us all into ruin - the Jewish danger. And today people are saying yet again that we were 'agitators.' I would like here to appeal to a greater than I, Count Lerchenfeld. He said in the last session of the Landtag that his feeling 'as a man and a Christian' prevented him from being an anti-Semite. I SAY: MY FEELING AS A CHRISTIAN POINTS ME TO MY LORD AND SAVIOUR AS A FIGHTER. IT POINTS ME TO THE MAN WHO ONCE IN LONELINESS, SURROUNDED ONLY BY A FEW FOLLOWERS, RECOGNIZED THESE JEWS FOR WHAT THEY WERE AND SUMMONED MEN TO THE FIGHT AGAINST THEM AND WHO, GOD'S TRUTH! WAS GREATEST NOT AS SUFFERER BUT AS FIGHTER. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and of adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before - the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago - a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people.


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To me, the moment that crystallized it all was Trump's mocking of a disabled reporter. For a man with incredible wealth and power already, seeking to become the most powerful man on earth, to stoop to mocking someone's disability, shows a complete and utter lack of conscience or morals.


Ok that's fair. I had not see this but I heard about this incident. I don't see it being evil... Stupid, sure... Funny, sure (I guess if Trump was a comedian it won't be seen as an issue)... Obama once said he bowling score was bad that he could compete against special Olympics (I took it was a funny comment but others were offended - but I don't think what Obama said was evil either)

On the other hand, if Trump said the disable reporter should be shot - well that would be evil.

But I'll give you a half a point because it seemed that you are offended by Trump's stupid comment.

Trump's speeches range from serious to are you serious I'll grant you that.
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And then there is his statement that we have to "go after the families" of terrorists.  Killing women and children because of who they are related to is what is generally referred to as "evil."


Please note that the media had made it look like Trump is going to have soldiers running into the Terrorist homes and shooting up innocent 5 year-old and new born babies...  :buggedout:

It shows that you have little understanding the Islamic Terrorist. Most and I'm willing to say 99% of the terrorist are all family members. It's hard to believe but this hatred is raised from generation to generation to generation. Brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers... (as I said if the FBI treated the terrorist like the Manson Family - the terror attacks will end in a year)

For example, 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting, Omar Mateen [oddly it was reported that he did cheer in the 911 twin tower attack] his father happens to have a questionable history (I've posted this on this thread).

I'm not sure about "It shows that you have little understanding the Islamic Terrorist." is a valid argument, when you follow it up with " It's hard to believe but this hatred is raised from generation to generation to generation." is your supporting argument, because that means that the children are born evil, raised evil, live evil.

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As for Trump's wild, enthusiastic support among a large segment of the American population, it simply proves to me the truth of a quote attributed to Alexander Hamilton:  "Your mob, sir, is one great beast!"  Trump's success proves to me that a large percentage of our people have become  a very angry, ignorant, bigoted mob.I have said it before:  If Donald Trump is the very best thing that the GOP has to offer America, we deserve to lose.  In fact, we deserve to be curb-stomped a la AMERICAN HISTORY X.  


Well the mob is angry because the republicans created this mob. If the republicans did what they promised in 2014 we wouldn't be voting for Trump to be the wrecking ball.

Also I do feel a little offended that you calling the mob bigoted... I'm no bigot.

I do believe he was referring to the people who are in the extreme side who are racists and bigots.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 06, 2016, 03:11:37 PM

As for Trump's wild, enthusiastic support among a large segment of the American population,



You mean, the voters, of course.  How DARE the proletariat of this great country speak out with their votes!  Am I right?

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Trump's success proves to me that a large percentage of our people have become  a very angry, ignorant, bigoted mob.



That is one of the most illogical, unsupportable statements I think I have ever seen in my life.  Do tell: how can Trump's success PROVE that our population is an ignorant, bigoted mob?  As a trained scientist skilled in dialectic discourse, I really want to hear this.

And you call Trump's supporters the bigots?  Do you ACTUALLY know what that term means or do you just throw it out like some softer version of calling people that disagree with you "Nazi"?  

I'll give you that people are angry (at the one-party system masquerading as two parties), but you have no basis whatsoever to call Trump's supporters, as a group, either ignorant or bigoted.  Or a "mob."  Calling them such undermines whatever points you think you are making; your "argument" has become laughably weak rhetoric.

He won the primary election in the party in which he chose to run.  He was chosen by the voters in that party.  Why is that so threatening to you?  Why the need to attack those that support him, just because you don't?  (For clarity, I did NOT vote for Trump in the primary).

Until you've read the following book (or understand the principles outlined in there), you really can't speak intelligently about Trump's winning the nomination:

https://www.amazon.com/Cuckservative-How-Conservatives-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B018ZHHA52#navbar (https://www.amazon.com/Cuckservative-How-Conservatives-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B018ZHHA52#navbar)

Without understanding the failures of "Conservatives" in contemporary politics, Trump's rise will CERTAINLY seem like nothing but a bigoted fueled fluke perpetrated by the unwashed masses.

Couple of reviews of that book:

https://ricochet.com/book-review-cuckservative/ (https://ricochet.com/book-review-cuckservative/)

and

http://thedeclination.com/book-review-cuckservative/ (http://thedeclination.com/book-review-cuckservative/)

The GOP is being "replaced" for a reason.  Being in denial of that does not either change the fact that it is happening, nor does it make it 'wrong.'


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on August 06, 2016, 04:39:19 PM
trump is NOT evil. clinton is. I want to be clear that in my mind there is very little difference between republicans and democrats. To me they are two sides of the same coin. We have been watching the clintons for about 30 years. It has been a steady stream of corruption, scandals, and dead bodies. yes, this is true, the evidence is out there if you are willing to look for it ,though misinformation has made it more difficult in recent years. She is a contradiction of everything she and the democratic party claim to stand for. The Republicans have done nothing to oppose the Democrats, espescially obamacare! These elite "families" go to the same schools and are members of the same clubs.   This doesnt mean that trump is an angel. He potentialy could be a very bad president, even if he gets elected there will be so much opposition to him that any good intentions by him would get derailed.  So what if he doesnt act "presidential"? Would you trust him more if he carried hot-sauce? Talked in a fake southern accent? Maybe a transgender bathroom? We need jobs, we need security, we need low taxes, and we need change. Dont believe what the current president says: all is not well. Any adult who has a family to take care of understands this. If your not concerned or angry about the current state, you should be.

BIGOTRY -  this is  one of the trendiest words this year. I think its funny how someone is accused of being a bigot and attacked for  having a view that is different .
RACISM - trump has never said anything rascist though he could be called racially insensitive.
ARROGANT - ok, i cant argue with that one.
NAZI - really, that makes no sense.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 06, 2016, 07:48:12 PM
Ulthar, you are a bright talented person who is also out of control.  I continue to read postings to which you respond and start hurling insults, or, seem to take the poster's remarks as personal.  You just went after one of the nicest guys on this forum (whom I often disagree with).  You may have had many good points about TRUMP; certainly how he has rocked the Republican party.  You should however refrain from invective to those who disagree with you.  Perhaps you'll respond to me this time, but it is absurd that you condemn someone for failing to respond adequately when you have continually ignored my pointed questions and remarks directed at you.  That must be that "trained scientist" you've crowed about... once again. 


Kakihara:  I don't agree with everything you assert, but you write well enough.  I don't think Indy made the "nazi" remark. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 07, 2016, 08:09:36 AM


snip a bunch of nonsensical Speech Policing and Shaming Attempts


Here's an exercise for you:  Name one single "personal insult" leveled at Indy in my last post.  One.

Hint: You will need to separate attacks on his statements and points from "personal" insults.  Can you do it?

Exercise #2:

Why is Indy's assertion that "Trump supporters are ignorant bigots, ulthar is a Trump supporter, therefore, the implication is ulthar is an ignorant bigot" allowed under your "Rules of Proper Discourse" but pointing out that first statement is factually incorrect is not allowed?

There's this thing called "Intellectual Honesty."  If you are going to address me and expect any kind of respect at all in return, please address the points I make in honest debate, not simply "You are a meanie and I don't think you play nice."

So long as all you bring to the discussion is attempts at shaming to stop me from speaking my mind, I'll continue to hold your participation with the contempt that such behavior deserves.  That choice is yours to make.

At least Indy is trying to have a real, grown-up discussion.  That's rather refreshing.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 07, 2016, 08:17:51 AM
In a total serendipity moment, I just happened to run across this while browsing a blogger's twitter feed.  Seemed relevant.   :teddyr:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpPPAqrXgAA0aue.jpg)



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 07, 2016, 08:38:36 AM
This has been bugging me for the last 5 pages or so of this endless thread.

WHAT THE HECK IS AN SJW????


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on August 07, 2016, 09:07:18 AM

SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 07, 2016, 10:13:48 AM
 If i see SJW or cuckservative i tend to tune out. it seems like a lot of right wing guys like talking to each other rather than trying to engage others


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 07, 2016, 01:43:43 PM
In a total serendipity moment, I just happened to run across this while browsing a blogger's twitter feed.  Seemed relevant.   :teddyr:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpPPAqrXgAA0aue.jpg)


Yeh?  You don't think that that is what YOU are doing?  I haven't seen anyone, "SJW" or otherwise, do such a thing to you.  

By the way, no one used the phrase "personal insults"... except you.  


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: JaseSF on August 07, 2016, 06:37:23 PM
I think voters should just choose None of the Above....


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on August 07, 2016, 10:33:37 PM
This has been bugging me for the last 5 pages or so of this endless thread.

WHAT THE HECK IS AN SJW????


Know Your Meme has a pretty solid definition and history of the term. 
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/social-justice-warrior (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/social-justice-warrior)
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Social Justice Warrior is a pejorative label applied to bloggers, activists and commentators who are prone to engage in lengthy and hostile debates against others on a range of issues concerning social injustice, identity politics and political correctness. In contrast to the social justice blogosphere at large, the stereotype of a social justice warrior is distinguished by the use of overzealous and self-righteous rhetorics, as well as appealing to emotions over logic and reason.


I have a friend who knows a great deal of people who are examples of the above description (I see stuff from Facebook like the above any time I look at it), there's a number of them out there.  But, I've also noticed in the past year or so the term is starting to be used on such a broad swathe of people it's becoming meaningless.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 07, 2016, 11:50:53 PM
Really?  Does that mean Ulthar thinks I'm a Social Justice Warrior?  Cool.   I always wanted to be a warrior... but didn't know I was involved in a "lengthy" debate.  I consider Ulthar my friend, though, he's a bit embarrassed I guess.   :lookingup:   :bouncegiggle:  I don't know.  I'm embarrassed. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 08, 2016, 08:57:52 AM

Yeh?  You don't think that that is what YOU are doing?  


Nice Tu quoque fallacy.  I'll give you props for never disappointing.   :cheers:

Who have I tried to silence or shame?  Man, you need to get your facts straight.  I WELCOME the discussion.  I ain't the one policing HOW people say what they need to say.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 08, 2016, 09:06:24 AM

Really?  Does that mean Ulthar thinks I'm a Social Justice Warrior


Not necessarily.  It means I can plainly see that you "argue" like one.  You have trouble distinguishing between facts and appeals to emotion, and if you don't like the "tone" of a discussion, you try to shame.

For example, rather than address the points I have made, you have called me annoying, said my posts were too long, referred to factual statements as "insults," and "white knighted" for Indy when you though I was insulting HIM.

All of the above fit a pattern.

And, now this rhetorical gem:

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he's a bit embarrassed I guess.  



Seriously, what does THAT even mean?  Another tick on the pattern...trying to speak for others and PROJECTING how they feel based on your own feeling.

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 I'm embarrassed.


Too funny.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 08, 2016, 09:07:21 AM
I nice little side-by-side policy comparison of the two major party candidates and commentary:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/06/kudlow-donald-trump-is-the-middle-class-growth-candidate.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/06/kudlow-donald-trump-is-the-middle-class-growth-candidate.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 08, 2016, 09:30:50 AM


There were a few people celebrating, particularly Palestinians. There are also people who say that Hitler did nothing wrong, and that the Holocaust wasn't real. There are bad people in the world, we shouldn't condemn a population of people when a smaller proportion is the cause to be angry at.



The argument was that Trump was wrong on saying that muslims celebrated the 911 attack and I've posted video evidence that said muslims celebrated the 911 attack.



Yes there is bad people in the world. But this form of Islam that was made and pushed since the 1960's, or even sooner (If you investigate this you'll find out that the Muslims in Saudi Arabia are the one's behind all the terror trouble). The Muslim population we are talking about is those that agree with this form of Islam and there are millions and millions of people.




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The second part of Nazis though, I do hope you are sincere about that and aren't serious about what you said way back in the thread about Obama having death trains and is like Hitler.


I'm not Bulls**tting about this. There are children starving, raped and murdered on the trains to America. The train trips are 30 days long and Mexico don't allow anybody to exit the trains while it crosses over their country. The only person responsible for this is Obama because he gave the children Amnesty. This issue can be fixed by removing the Amnesty for Children. I believe I've posted links to support this argument. I also believe I'm coming off nicely because the children are not quarantined and they are sent to populated areas - on purpose  - and the CDC has reported an increase of illness/deceases that was assumed to be almost non-existent in America.  





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I do believe he was referring to the people who are in the extreme side who are racists and bigots.



I'm part of the angry mob because I believe it's time to stop the bulls**t. And most of Trump supporters also believe the same time. We are called Racist/Bigots because we don't believe a country could exist with no border.


I'm not sure about "It shows that you have little understanding the Islamic Terrorist." is a valid argument, when you follow it up with " It's hard to believe but this hatred is raised from generation to generation to generation." is your supporting argument, because that means that the children are born evil, raised evil, live evil.




Sorry I'm trying to cliff note everything. 99% of the stuff mentioned is what I've said before.

We are not talking about one family we are talking about communities. There are schools in the middle east that are named after dead terrorist. The children become evil (as we see it) because they are brainwashed into it from baby on. They don't see themselves being evil. This is the disconnect between us and them. What they are doing is correct for Islam. But we laugh it off because "Oh stupid boy killing himself and killing 10 people so he can have 72 virgins" But the disconnect is that the boy is doing what is correct for Islam.






Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 08, 2016, 09:36:14 AM

 If i see SJW or cuckservative i tend to tune out. it seems like a lot of right wing guys like talking to each other rather than trying to engage others


I can see why it seems like that, but alt-right is a rapidly growing movement (I think replacing the Tea Party), and interestingly, it consists of a healthy dose of people from the left.  There are some hard core "thinkers" in that movement and it sure is NOT simply an 'echo chamber.'

The references I have made to SJW style argument and the term Cuskservative refer to the writings of Vox Day.  I don't know, his Amazon sales show him to be in pretty good company these days:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpV8d95XgAAvpNy.jpg)

And, notice how the use of the term SJW in this thread has 'taken over' the conversation.  Who is talking about Clinton vs Trump in the election here vice hand ringing over a pop culture term used to describe a type a discourse.

The deflections, oh the deflections....


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 08, 2016, 10:34:54 AM
Some interesting commentary on the polls:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/secret-vote-for-trump-seen-by-gop-and-dem-pollsters/article/2598805 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/secret-vote-for-trump-seen-by-gop-and-dem-pollsters/article/2598805)

Vox Day recently wrote a blog post where he summarized his mathematical analysis (based on his background and training in economics) of State poll data forecast efficacy.  (for those playing along at home, this analysis is statistically fact based, not just Day's "opinion" about not liking polls).

His conclusion was that the State polls are meaningless (in terms of forecast reliability) until AT LEAST mid-late September for some states and as late as mid-October for others.  As a point of clarity, he reiterates this conclusion (and it's mathematical basis) even when such polls favor Trump.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 08, 2016, 10:38:39 AM
Yeh?  You don't think that that is what YOU are doing? 
Nice Tu quoque fallacy.  I'll give you props for never disappointing.   :cheers:
Who have I tried to silence or shame?  Man, you need to get your facts straight.  I WELCOME the discussion.  I ain't the one policing HOW people say what they need to say.
 
Really?  Does that mean Ulthar thinks I'm a Social Justice Warrior
Not necessarily.  It means I can plainly see that you "argue" like one.  You have trouble distinguishing between facts and appeals to emotion, and if you don't like the "tone" of a discussion, you try to shame.
For example, rather than address the points I have made, you have called me annoying, said my posts were too long, referred to factual statements as "insults," and "white knighted" for Indy when you though I was insulting HIM.
All of the above fit a pattern.
And, now this rhetorical gem:
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he's a bit embarrassed I guess.   
Seriously, what does THAT even mean?  Another tick on the pattern...trying to speak for others and PROJECTING how they feel based on your own feeling.
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I'm embarrassed.
Too funny.
You are sad; instead of defusing, you perpetuate.  You accuse me of using words differently than used, or not used at all.  Who would want to debate with such a pompous self-righteous wind-bag?  You no longer are President of your High School Debate club.  I'm still your friend, even if you're not mine.   :smile:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 08, 2016, 11:30:17 AM
Enough of the bulls**t and THANK YOU FBI...


This week, Iranian spy on behalf of the west Shahram Amiri was hanged by the government in Tehran. The Iranian judiciary spokesman Mholamhosein Mohseni Ejehi explained, “This person who had access to our country’s secret and classified information had been linked to our hostile and No. 1 enemy, America, the Great Satan.”

Amiri, who worked on the Iranian nuclear program defected to the West in 2009, came back to Iran in 2010 and was treated as a CIA kidnap victim, and then was tried and executed. His name appeared in Hillary Clinton’s unsecured emails.


http://www.dailywire.com/news/8177/did-hillary-clintons-email-server-get-iranian-spy-ben-shapiro (http://www.dailywire.com/news/8177/did-hillary-clintons-email-server-get-iranian-spy-ben-shapiro)


I'm tired of talking about Trump - lets talk about Hillary! Please tell my why she's fit.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on August 08, 2016, 11:38:11 AM
"The argument was that Trump was wrong on saying that muslims celebrated the 911 attack and I've posted video evidence that said muslims celebrated the 911 attack."


You're simplifying it a bit. He actually said he saw thousands and thousands celebrating 9/11 in New Jersey on that day and that it was covered on television.  That's the part that, as best as I can tell, isn't true. I'm of the opinion he mentally conflated videos of muslims abroad celebrating (I remember those from the day) and local coverage of the attacks, then simply refused to backtrack on it.  


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 08, 2016, 12:10:13 PM
You got it, Jim H

Ex-CIA officer launches presidential campaign aimed at thwarting Donald Trump

http://www.yahoo.com/news/evan-mcmullin-independent-presidential-campaign-000000187.html (http://www.yahoo.com/news/evan-mcmullin-independent-presidential-campaign-000000187.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 08, 2016, 01:11:46 PM
"The argument was that Trump was wrong on saying that muslims celebrated the 911 attack and I've posted video evidence that said muslims celebrated the 911 attack."


You're simplifying it a bit. He actually said he saw thousands and thousands celebrating 9/11 in New Jersey on that day and that it was covered on television.  That's the part that, as best as I can tell, isn't true. I'm of the opinion he mentally conflated videos of muslims abroad celebrating (I remember those from the day) and local coverage of the attacks, then simply refused to backtrack on it.  

Maybe Trump mentally crafted the Orlando shooter. Because it was noted that Omar Mateen did celebrated the 9/11 attack.   :buggedout:

Anyway... it's like roaches. You see one and you know there is 100 hiding in the walls. I'm not stupid, I know there was MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD THAT CELEBRATED THE FALL OF THE TWIN TOWERS ON 9/11. This is unarguable. Don't believe me please take a walk in the middle east and act like you love America and tell me how far you'll go... The problem (and the issue is) we are bringing in those Muslims that hate America to America without checking their background.

Should we start talking about Trump hating babies? Or can we talk about something important like:  Hillary secret server that got a CIA spy murdered.







Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 08, 2016, 01:45:37 PM
Lester, thought of you when I saw this and thought you'd appreciate it.  Comes from Lee Stranahan:

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GLOBALIST TO DO LIST

1 start unnecessary war
2 profit
3 use tax money to build factory
4 profit
5 hire war refugees as cheap labor
6 profit


Anti-globalists in the alt-right movement are pushing back against this mindset in both D and R parties.  That's a good source of Trump's support...the anti-globalist crowd, not ignorant bigots.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on August 08, 2016, 02:48:26 PM
"The argument was that Trump was wrong on saying that muslims celebrated the 911 attack and I've posted video evidence that said muslims celebrated the 911 attack."


You're simplifying it a bit. He actually said he saw thousands and thousands celebrating 9/11 in New Jersey on that day and that it was covered on television.  That's the part that, as best as I can tell, isn't true. I'm of the opinion he mentally conflated videos of muslims abroad celebrating (I remember those from the day) and local coverage of the attacks, then simply refused to backtrack on it.  

Maybe Trump mentally crafted the Orlando shooter. Because it was noted that Omar Mateen did celebrated the 9/11 attack.   :buggedout:

Anyway... it's like roaches. You see one and you know there is 100 hiding in the walls. I'm not stupid, I know there was MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD THAT CELEBRATED THE FALL OF THE TWIN TOWERS ON 9/11. This is unarguable. Don't believe me please take a walk in the middle east and act like you love America and tell me how far you'll go... The problem (and the issue is) we are bringing in those Muslims that hate America to America without checking their background.

Should we start talking about Trump hating babies? Or can we talk about something important like:  Hillary secret server that got a CIA spy murdered.


Gotta say, do you mean places like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Palenstine where the US isn't that welcome or do you places like Indonesia, Bangladesh?
Also, got a source on that train thing? I'd love to see it.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 08, 2016, 04:01:18 PM



Gotta say, do you mean places like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Palenstine where the US isn't that welcome or do you places like Indonesia, Bangladesh?
Also, got a source on that train thing? I'd love to see it.
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There are problems in Bangladesh

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/09/deep-political-tensions-underline-bangladesh-violence.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/09/deep-political-tensions-underline-bangladesh-violence.html)

and problems in Indonesia

http://www.indonesia-investments.com/business/risks/radical-islam/item245 (http://www.indonesia-investments.com/business/risks/radical-islam/item245)




Death Trains and the troubles with the illegal immigration...

http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/mexicans-blame-americans-for-death-train/ (http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/mexicans-blame-americans-for-death-train/)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/homero-aridjis/migrants-train-of-death-america-_b_5568288.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/homero-aridjis/migrants-train-of-death-america-_b_5568288.html)

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34811-us-refugee-crisis-raises-grave-human-rights-concerns (http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34811-us-refugee-crisis-raises-grave-human-rights-concerns)

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/Refugee-Children-Ride-The-Death-Train-to-Come-to-the-US-282176031.html (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/Refugee-Children-Ride-The-Death-Train-to-Come-to-the-US-282176031.html)


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2712187/EXCLUSIVE-A-lot-people-die-blood-Obamas-hands-Shocking-images-corpses-illegal-immigrants-left-die-border-crossings.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2712187/EXCLUSIVE-A-lot-people-die-blood-Obamas-hands-Shocking-images-corpses-illegal-immigrants-left-die-border-crossings.html)






Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 08, 2016, 06:38:40 PM
Ullthar - I remember a while back they were pushing the DREAM act. it was like ...do we really need more illegal immigration and more war?  I just, myself, don't feel there is a shortage of either of those things to the extent that it should be actively encouraged / subsidized.

as for SJW's and so forth those (most) of us who lived through political correctness in the 90's know that in the end it will essentially be something that solidifies conservatism rather than helping or expanding liberalism. At the same time, our country faces much bigger and more serious challenges than confused college kids




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 08, 2016, 07:07:21 PM
SKULL - Trump said, and said repeatedly, and refused to back down, that "thousands of Muslims" were celebrating on 9/11 "on the rooftops in New Jersey."  THAT WAS A LIE.  IT DID NOT HAPPEN.

Yes, Muslims celebrated in the streets in foreign countries, most notably on the  Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
But that's not New Jersey.  Trump lied, and rather than admit he was mistaken on the location, he repeated the lie again and again.
This man is incapable of committing error - a classic symptom of narcissistic personality disorder.

The bottom line is this:  I do not like Donald Trump because he is an a$$hole.
And I do not trust him because he is a liar, on this and many other issues.
And his speeches show a consistent failure to understand a wide range of topics.

All those who voted for Trump in the primaries will share the responsibility of making Hillary Clinton president this November.
A damn shame, really, we had multiple candidates who could have beaten her easily.
But voters were too angry to vote for someone respectable.  They wanted someone who would be just as mean and nasty as they were feeling, and that's who they nominated.

But mean, nasty people don't win.

Trump is going to get stomped in November, and the GOP may never recover from the shame of nominating such a vile man.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 08, 2016, 08:11:05 PM
SKULL - Trump said, and said repeatedly, and refused to back down, that "thousands of Muslims" were celebrating on 9/11 "on the rooftops in New Jersey."  THAT WAS A LIE.  IT DID NOT HAPPEN.
Yes, Muslims celebrated in the streets in foreign countries, most notably on the  Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
But that's not New Jersey.  Trump lied, and rather than admit he was mistaken on the location, he repeated the lie again and again.
This man is incapable of committing error - a classic symptom of narcissistic personality disorder.
The bottom line is this:  I do not like Donald Trump because he is an a$$hole.
And I do not trust him because he is a liar, on this and many other issues.
And his speeches show a consistent failure to understand a wide range of topics.
All those who voted for Trump in the primaries will share the responsibility of making Hillary Clinton president this November.
A damn shame, really, we had multiple candidates who could have beaten her easily.
But voters were too angry to vote for someone respectable.  They wanted someone who would be just as mean and nasty as they were feeling, and that's who they nominated.
But mean, nasty people don't win.
Trump is going to get stomped in November, and the GOP may never recover from the shame of nominating such a vile man.
Well, maybe he will win.  It's a frightening prospect to me, which drives me in a direction I didn't expect.  I voted for BERNIE SANDERS in the primary.   


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 08, 2016, 09:20:50 PM
SKULL - Trump said, and said repeatedly, and refused to back down, that "thousands of Muslims" were celebrating on 9/11 "on the rooftops in New Jersey."  THAT WAS A LIE.  IT DID NOT HAPPEN.


I hardly see this as a lie because we know for a fact that the Orlando shooter did cheer on 9/11.

Was there really a thousand Muslims cheering on rooftops in New Jersey? This is such a silly argument, it's like b***hing at Farrakhan that he was short on his million man march. It was estimated 400,000 men showed up that's not even enough men to say a half a million man march; but the event will forever called the million man march.

The fact is that there was Muslims in America that did cheer on 9/11. Once again the biggest proof that such Muslim existed is the Orlando shooter.

Now how does "Thousands of Muslims on rooftops cheer on 9/11" compare to "I have no top secret files in my secret server" - and note that a CIA spy was murdered because of the information that was discovered on Hillary's secret server.


I don't see much of a comparison here. We know the Orlando shooter cheered so there was Muslims cheering - notice I'm repeating myself - it seems necessary because I said this almost a thousand times (oh s**t now I'm telling a lie). Meanwhile, Hillary tells a lie to the FBI and her stupidity did got somebody KILLED!


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Yes, Muslims celebrated in the streets in foreign countries, most notably on the  Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
But that's not New Jersey.  Trump lied, and rather than admit he was mistaken on the location, he repeated the lie again and again.

it seemed worst because Hillary wants to bring those Anti-Americans to our country.


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This man is incapable of committing error - a classic symptom of narcissistic personality disorder.

Once again... the Orlando Shooter did CHEER on 9/11.


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The bottom line is this:  I do not like Donald Trump because he is an a$$hole.
And I do not trust him because he is a liar, on this and many other issues.
And his speeches show a consistent failure to understand a wide range of topics.


Well the bottom line is I hated Bush, Romney and McCain and I still voted for them because the other-side seemed worst to my perspective.

Also I don't care how you dice it there is a 100% possibility that Hillary or Trump will be the next president. If you don't vote for Trump than you are voting for Hillary. If if voted for a 3rd party your still voting for Hillary. If you like Hillary than that's fine. I'm OK if your a supporter of Hillary. I really really want to talk about Hillary and I want to talk to Hillary supporters. Since you said you agree 20% of Obama I can guess that you agree 20% of Hillary too (since she is running as 3rd term Obama).


Please, lets talk about Hillary.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on August 08, 2016, 09:30:17 PM
Skull, not gonna lie and come out forward- Death Train came out in 05/06 after CAFTA basically ruined farmers and the living conditions there. Saying Obama has Death Trains even before he was president is a bit of stretch.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 08, 2016, 10:15:02 PM
Trump/Hillary = cyanide/arsenic to me, Skull.
Not going to vote for either, PERIOD.  BOTH of them are terrible for America.  I just hate that the GOP lost a chance to crush Hillary by flocking to a person who is even more unpopular than her.
A NO vote for Trump is just that.  It's not a YES vote for Hillary.  I am voting against BOTH of them.

And honestly, dude, if you can't see the difference between ONE American Muslim cheering on 9/11 - which apparently was never aired on television - and Donald Trump  saying that "Thousands of Muslims cheered on the rooftops of New Jersey" - then you are delusional.  Are you really saying those claims are identical?  They are NOT.  Trump claimed to see something on TV that was never aired, and even when he was shown to be wrong, he refused to back down from that claim because he cannot stand to be wrong about ANYTHING.  How can you ever learn anything if you are incapable of admitting a simple mistake?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 08, 2016, 11:50:54 PM
SKULL - Trump said, and said repeatedly, and refused to back down, that "thousands of Muslims" were celebrating on 9/11 "on the rooftops in New Jersey."  THAT WAS A LIE.  IT DID NOT HAPPEN.


I hardly see this as a lie because we know for a fact that the Orlando shooter did cheer on 9/11.
...
Huh?  Can this get any more stupid?  The "Orlando shooter" happened this year, 2016.  The cheering of September 11, 2001, 15 years ago, did not happen in New Jersey, and any more commentary is obfuscation of the facts.  FACTS like your lord deigns to drop on us like manna from heaven. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on August 09, 2016, 12:27:26 AM
Trump/Hillary = cyanide/arsenic to me, Skull.
Not going to vote for either, PERIOD.  BOTH of them are terrible for America.  I just hate that the GOP lost a chance to crush Hillary by flocking to a person who is even more unpopular than her.
A NO vote for Trump is just that.  It's not a YES vote for Hillary.  I am voting against BOTH of them.

And honestly, dude, if you can't see the difference between ONE American Muslim cheering on 9/11 - which apparently was never aired on television - and Donald Trump  saying that "Thousands of Muslims cheered on the rooftops of New Jersey" - then you are delusional.  Are you really saying those claims are identical?  They are NOT.  Trump claimed to see something on TV that was never aired, and even when he was shown to be wrong, he refused to back down from that claim because he cannot stand to be wrong about ANYTHING.  How can you ever learn anything if you are incapable of admitting a simple mistake?


Did you know that hundreds of chess champions applauded 9/11 while ranting about Jews?  I heard about it on the radio that day.  Hundreds of them. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1364118/Bobby-Fischer-speaks-out-to-applaud-Trade-Centre-attacks.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1364118/Bobby-Fischer-speaks-out-to-applaud-Trade-Centre-attacks.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 09, 2016, 06:10:50 AM
Skull, not gonna lie and come out forward- Death Train came out in 05/06 after CAFTA basically ruined farmers and the living conditions there. Saying Obama has Death Trains even before he was president is a bit of stretch.

The death trains I'm talking about are the one's with children placed on them because of Obama Amnesty. I do hold Obama responsible for each child placed on the train to America because they are only going on the train because Obama has gave Amnesty to minors. If you want to assume that each child is sitting first class on a train, eating 3 meals a day and not getting raped, and murdered because each child is protected; cool I guess. But the fact is THE CHILDREN ARE ON THE TRAIN BECAUSE OF OBAMA AMNESTY TO MINORS.


Huh?  Can this get any more stupid?  The "Orlando shooter" happened this year, 2016.  The cheering of September 11, 2001, 15 years ago, did not happen in New Jersey, and any more commentary is obfuscation of the facts.  FACTS like your lord deigns to drop on us like manna from heaven.  

Yes I know that's crazy - but once again it also shows that the shooter was educated into this crap thinking. Please, spend some time and listen to the kids father. Maybe you should read the Quran... It's really hard to talk about facts when you guys are only looking at things with a very, very narrow point of view - but I guess this is why Obama has such a high approval rating because most of us don't know what the hell is going on.

Trump/Hillary = cyanide/arsenic to me, Skull.
Not going to vote for either, PERIOD.  BOTH of them are terrible for America.  I just hate that the GOP lost a chance to crush Hillary by flocking to a person who is even more unpopular than her.
A NO vote for Trump is just that.  It's not a YES vote for Hillary.  I am voting against BOTH of them.


Sorry but it don't work that way. You toss a coin and 100% it's going to land on heads or tails. There is no such thing as I vote for neither. You have to determine which of the 2 is the one that you agree with the most. And like you had said, you agree 20% Obama so it's logical that your vote is going for Hillary. :)

The 5 million republicans that voted for McCain and decided to stay home and not vote Romney did nothing but re-elect Obama. So they have no right to b***h about anything Obama had done on the second term...



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And honestly, dude, if you can't see the difference between ONE American Muslim cheering on 9/11 - which apparently was never aired on television - and Donald Trump  saying that "Thousands of Muslims cheered on the rooftops of New Jersey" - then you are delusional.  Are you really saying those claims are identical?  They are NOT.  Trump claimed to see something on TV that was never aired, and even when he was shown to be wrong, he refused to back down from that claim because he cannot stand to be wrong about ANYTHING.  How can you ever learn anything if you are incapable of admitting a simple mistake?

I think we are walking in circles here. I don't see it as a lie because there are too many Americans that wouldn't believe that there was Muslims cheering on 9/11 - period. It doesn't matter if they were cheering on rooftops, on the streets or in the backyards... the point is that is a good number of Muslims that are LIVING in America and hates America because the rules don't comply with their religious belief. Maybe you should read the Quran.

Now if we want to talk about lies - lets talk about Hillary and her secret server that got a CIA agent killed.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on August 09, 2016, 10:56:37 AM
Skull, ulthar;
You have brought up some very important points. Im glad to hear more and more people talk about these things. The death trains are very real, this started before obama, but his policies have made the situation worse.  Muslims celebrating on 9/11 happened. Trump exaggerated about thousands on roof tops, but it still happened. The knee jerk reaction to this is to defend islam and use words like bigot. Yes, there are good muslims, i know a couple, but there are also very bad muslims. That element is very real, someone gets hacked to death every day in the name of alllah. It may not be " the real islam" but there are lot of people who subscribe to this idealogy and they are here. We should be concerned. Political correctness has been weaponized and is killing us. I am fully aware that trump may be a disaster but at the very least he has addressed very important issues. By doing so he has pulled the changed politics and people are seeing the corruption. Indy - im glad that you atleast recognize that hillary not good. Hillary personifies corruption. Trump is a rich ego-maniac a-hole, but i think he has good intentions.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 09, 2016, 11:52:45 AM
This will be the first Presidential Election since I started voting in 1984 that I simply can't make myself pull the lever for the GOP Candidate.  But I'm NOT voting Democrat - I'm disgusted, not crazy!!!!   :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 09, 2016, 02:05:32 PM
Skull, ulthar;
You have brought up some very important points. Im glad to hear more and more people talk about these things.

Thanks - this reply make me feel so happy. :)


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The death trains are very real, this started before obama, but his policies have made the situation worse.


Yep, the death trains started when there was rumor that amnesty will be granted. The democrats love to do things for the children and they gave Amnesty to the children - therefore I'm forced to point out that Obama has done more harm to the children with his death trains. I do believe that once Obama is no longer president we are going to see picture evidence of the graves, right now the black-out is tight. Although, it shouldn't take much to understand that the trip is 30 days long and the children are unaccompanied.


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Muslims celebrating on 9/11 happened. Trump exaggerated about thousands on roof tops, but it still happened. The knee jerk reaction to this is to defend islam and use words like bigot. Yes, there are good muslims, i know a couple, but there are also very bad muslims. That element is very real, someone gets hacked to death every day in the name of alllah. It may not be " the real islam" but there are lot of people who subscribe to this idealogy and they are here. We should be concerned.

Yeah, I also believe there are good Muslims too but the numbers are frightfully smaller than hows it's reported. The numbers are so small that Radical Islam (in the Muslim eyes) are the ones that don't believe in sharia law; and when we call out Radical Islam as the terror - we are feeding the Middle East propaganda. Sadly we are sort of forced to say Radical Islam because of Political Correctness.


The funny thing about Trumps 'exaggeration' it forces people to look back and realized there were people that were happy to see the fall of the twin towers. b***hing about this exaggeration is like b***hing about the Texas Chain Massacre movie because it has nothing to do with Ed Gein. If we are going to nitpick on lies then Hillary lie should over shadow anything Trump had said, because her lie did kill a CIA agient, her lie also put other Americans in danger.


I was a little kid when Reagan was president and my school (which was in Chicago) stressed that we could be under a nuclear attack. We had the nuclear attack drill at least once a month. I do think this was more or less propaganda pushed in the school because Chicago is a democrat controlled city. Reagan never pushed that red button but I swear that I heard so much fear about this from my teachers that you would think that the nuclear button was on Reagan's bedside and he'll push that button at any moment, even in his sleep. Again looking back I think the teachers were wrong to suggest this stuff - but that's Chicago in the 1980's.

When I hear people saying that Trump could push that button - I keep thinking about Reagan and my teachers in school.  



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Political correctness has been weaponized and is killing us.


It's hard to be blunt while speaking truthful and NOT to been seen as being rude.


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I am fully aware that trump may be a disaster but at the very least he has addressed very important issues. By doing so he has pulled the changed politics and people are seeing the corruption.



I guarantee if Jed Bush was nominated for president we'll be hearing "Wasn't 12 years of Bush failed policies enough?" and if it was Ted Cruz or anybody else we'll get shovels and shovels of dirt. We'll be thinking that any republican running for president is a disaster. And before Trump announced it looked like the Republicans were going to be an epic fail.



This will be the first Presidential Election since I started voting in 1984 that I simply can't make myself pull the lever for the GOP Candidate.  But I'm NOT voting Democrat - I'm disgusted, not crazy!!!!   :teddyr:


I think you need to explain this. I'm trying to understand how you can assume that your no vote is a vote of righteousness is not a vote for Hillary. As for Trump (again walking in circles) - you have the other candidates to blame for not stealing Trump's thunder before the primary.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 09, 2016, 05:16:07 PM
The Democrats slaughter faith in yet another federal agency by putting politics ahead of truth:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/07/06/fbi-clinton-email-corruption-dylann-roof-arizona-fort-hood-omar-mateen-irs-secret-service-glenn-reynolds-column/86725236/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/07/06/fbi-clinton-email-corruption-dylann-roof-arizona-fort-hood-omar-mateen-irs-secret-service-glenn-reynolds-column/86725236/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 09, 2016, 05:52:43 PM
Skull - a no vote for Trump is just that.  It's not a vote FOR Hillary unless I choose to vote for Hillary, which I won't.
Let's be perfectly honest.  I'm from Texas.  There are more than enough angry white rednecks here that Trump will carry my state no problem, with or without my vote.  I want to be able to look myself in the mirror after Election day, and I can't if I vote for a godless, nasty man like Trump or a baby-killing liberal like Hillary.  So I'm passing on both!!!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Chainsawmidget on August 09, 2016, 06:02:01 PM
You could always vote for a third party candidat.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on August 09, 2016, 06:09:49 PM
You could always vote for a third party candidat.




Thank you for the chance to post this again!

http://youtu.be/l3M4br46s7A (http://youtu.be/l3M4br46s7A)

http://youtu.be/FlcngdW2Ju4 (http://youtu.be/FlcngdW2Ju4)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 09, 2016, 07:25:31 PM
You could always vote for a third party candidat.



That is exactly what I am planning to do!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 09, 2016, 07:33:32 PM
Donald Trump suggests ‘2nd Amendment people’ could stop President Hillary Clinton


http://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2nd-amendment-people-could-000000517.html]
[url]http://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2nd-amendment-people-could-000000517.html (http://[url) [/url]
   


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 10, 2016, 05:38:32 AM
Donald Trump suggests ‘2nd Amendment people’ could stop President Hillary Clinton



[url]http://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2nd-amendment-people-could-000000517.html]http://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2nd-amendment-people-could-000000517.html]
[url]http://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2nd-amendment-people-could-000000517.html (http://[url=http://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2nd-amendment-people-could-000000517.html) [/url]
   

The link isn't working-
Here's the story

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0)

-Ya now how I was saying Trump will get us in WW3-ya know- I'm just a crazy old paranoid drunk-not to worry...right?
I seen in interview with this guy on MSNBC-wow-

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/1/donald-trump-threat-nuclear-weapons-europes-big-pl/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/1/donald-trump-threat-nuclear-weapons-europes-big-pl/)

I saw him on 60 Minutes too-and he endorses waterboarding-this man is crazy. We are supposed to be the GOOD GUYS. He's a dangerous man.
So suggesting 2nd amendment activists could "stop" Clinton doesn't surprise me.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 10, 2016, 07:25:13 AM
You got it, Jim H

Ex-CIA officer launches presidential campaign aimed at thwarting Donald Trump

[url]http://www.yahoo.com/news/evan-mcmullin-independent-presidential-campaign-000000187.html[/url] ([url]http://www.yahoo.com/news/evan-mcmullin-independent-presidential-campaign-000000187.html[/url])


LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/oops-latest-nevertrump-candidate-fake-resume-full-inaccuracies-distortions-lies/#st_refDomain=&st_refQuery= (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/oops-latest-nevertrump-candidate-fake-resume-full-inaccuracies-distortions-lies/#st_refDomain=&st_refQuery=)

Oh my word, the Establishment Fail in this election is the gift that never stops giving.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 10, 2016, 09:29:21 AM
You got it, Jim H

Ex-CIA officer launches presidential campaign aimed at thwarting Donald Trump

[url]http://www.yahoo.com/news/evan-mcmullin-independent-presidential-campaign-000000187.html[/url] ([url]http://www.yahoo.com/news/evan-mcmullin-independent-presidential-campaign-000000187.html[/url])


LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!!

[url]http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/oops-latest-nevertrump-candidate-fake-resume-full-inaccuracies-distortions-lies/#st_refDomain=&st_refQuery=[/url] ([url]http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/oops-latest-nevertrump-candidate-fake-resume-full-inaccuracies-distortions-lies/#st_refDomain=&st_refQuery=[/url])

Oh my word, the Establishment Fail in this election is the gift that never stops giving.


...aaand the source for that nonsense is the Gateway Pundit-a far right blog-endorsed by such insightful political analists ( I DIDN'T misspell that!) as Rush Limbaugh. :lookingup: What does that have to do with Trump being a trigger happy fool?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 10, 2016, 11:02:53 AM
Donald Trump suggests ‘2nd Amendment people’ could stop President Hillary Clinton



[url]http://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2nd-amendment-people-could-000000517.html]http://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2nd-amendment-people-could-000000517.html]
[url]http://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2nd-amendment-people-could-000000517.html (http://[url=http://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2nd-amendment-people-could-000000517.html) [/url]
   


Yep.  By voting.

Imagine that....a candidate saying people should vote for a candidate that supports their ideals rather than the candidate that opposes them.

It's funny how the idiots in the media are trying to make something out of this that no thinking person believes is there. 

It's no wonder that public trust in the MSM sources is hovering at about 6%.  When people publish lies, spin and propaganda left and right, and people can see the truth with their own two eyes, well, the liars are exposed.

That's called "Cognitive Dissonance," and that is one key thing driving Trump's popularity.  When people filter out the MSM lies and distortions and look for objective, measurable Truth, they find a candidate that represents what they want in a President.

Culturally, that's what this election is REALLY about, ultimately.  For the past several decades, the Media has shaped the elections.  They've controlled the narratives.  That "control" is gone.  And, it's funny to watch the desperation of a dying, corrupt industry try ludicrously to maintain the illusion of importance.

Truly funny.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 10, 2016, 11:08:28 AM

I voted for BERNIE SANDERS in the primary.   


Given that, I'm curious about your perspective on a DNCLeaks scandal:

(1) As a Sanders supporter, what do YOU think of the allegations that the DNC had the whole primary process rigged for Clinton and against Sanders the ENTIRE time?

(2) As a Sanders supporter, what do you think of the large, multi-thousand person protests at the DNC in which Sanders supporters were angry that their candidate got shafted by internal collusion in the party?

(3) Do you think the general election "Should Be" Trump vs Sanders if the primary process was honest?

(4) What do you think of Sanders supporters that are (a) now supporting Trump or (b) saying "Never Hillary?"


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 10, 2016, 11:35:30 AM
Actually, Ulthar, I do agree that cognitive dissonance is what's driving Trump's popularity.

People are so eager to have a candidate they can believe in that they filter out his constant lies, rampant ignorance, mean temper, and clear unfitness for office in order to make him the man they so desperately want him to be.

I ain't drinking that Kool-Aid!!!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 10, 2016, 12:03:45 PM
indiana- what is your view on Trumps trade policies/ opinions? I asked you before but you answered answered something else that I didn't ask


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 10, 2016, 12:17:55 PM

"People are so eager to have a candidate they can believe in that they filter out his constant lies, rampant ignorance and moronic lies in the media."

FIFY.

The nonsense you keep saying about Trump ... AND his supporters ... suggests that you not only swallowed the Kool Aid but that your body is manufacturing it internally.

Seriously; get a grip.  He's not Satan.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 10, 2016, 12:29:46 PM
Herman Cain knocked it out of the park today with his show theme being "Media Lies."  During the course of the discussion, he politely suggested that people "filter out the media lies and compare the candidates on the merits of what they say they are going to do."

Here is his summary complete with a side-by-side comparison.

http://www.caintv.com/side-by-side-the-trump-card-sh (http://www.caintv.com/side-by-side-the-trump-card-sh)

(http://static.caintv.com/78ddc68deaside-by-side.jpg)

Each of those points can be verified as being something candidates have said is the platform of their respective candidacies.  

Words of wisdom: If it's reported by the MSM, read with a BIG dose of healthy skepticism.  This is blatantly true after DNCLeaks, the cover-ups of Sanders protests at the Dem Convention, the distortions and outright lies regarding reporting of Trump's words, etc.

The media is in the tank for the DNC.  Why on EARTH would anyone believe a word of what they publish?

Oh yeah, repeating: trust in the media is about 6%.  Even those IN the industry admit this (as linked to an article a page or two ago).

Fun times.  The US population is waking up to the rampant corruption in the News Industry...and when those blinders are taken off, Trump's popularity continues to rise.

Indy, your entire characterization of Trump, his followers and the reason he won the R nomination is wrong. I realize it ain't PC to point out when someone is factually wrong, but too bad.  If you think he won the nomination because a bunch of "rednecks" or "racist bigots" support him, you are wrong.  Period.

Hint: There are a bunch of 2-sigma folks that support him.  I know of a few myself...probably more than the "bigots" in your "wide social circle."

Trump Supporters are ignorant bigots premise: easily and handily falsified.

Further, 'doom and gloom' predictions of Trump losing in November and destroying the party are received with lots of laughs.  The party destroyed itself long ago when it sold out Constitutional principles and chose to bow to the alter of Political Correctness.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 10, 2016, 01:52:00 PM
November will tell the tale.
And no, Trump isn't Satan.  But I am pretty sure they send each other Christmas cards!  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 10, 2016, 07:24:47 PM
Donald Trump suggests ‘2nd Amendment people’ could stop President Hillary Clinton

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[url]http://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2nd-amendment-people-could-000000517.html (http://[url=http://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2nd-amendment-people-could-000000517.html) [/url]
 

Yep.  By voting.
Imagine that....a candidate saying people should vote for a candidate that supports their ideals rather than the candidate that opposes them.
It's funny how the idiots in the media are trying to make something out of this that no thinking person believes is there.  
It's no wonder that public trust in the MSM sources is hovering at about 6%.  When people publish lies, spin and propaganda left and right, and people can see the truth with their own two eyes, well, the liars are exposed.
That's called "Cognitive Dissonance," and that is one key thing driving Trump's popularity.  When people filter out the MSM lies and distortions and look for objective, measurable Truth, they find a candidate that represents what they want in a President.
Culturally, that's what this election is REALLY about, ultimately.  For the past several decades, the Media has shaped the elections.  They've controlled the narratives.  That "control" is gone.  And, it's funny to watch the desperation of a dying, corrupt industry try ludicrously to maintain the illusion of importance.
Truly funny.


You make interesting remarks about the media.  I can see the truth with my own eyes.  For example, you do need to believe that Trump is honest.  Is it possible he knows his audience and manipulates them?  Even the Trump supporter behind him reacted with a shocked (and amused) expression when Trump uttered his remarkable words.  I wonder why?  I have heard two separate responses by Trump's campaign: one that his remarks were a joke (what was he joking about if it was "a joke"?)  ...and secondly his remarks were intended to advise people to vote (as you adamantly suggest).  That is NOT what he said.  Only Trump can know what he implied... though I believe his supporters think they know.  

I voted for BERNIE SANDERS in the primary.   

Given that, I'm curious about your perspective on a DNCLeaks scandal:
(1) As a Sanders supporter, what do YOU think of the allegations that the DNC had the whole primary process rigged for Clinton and against Sanders the ENTIRE time?
(2) As a Sanders supporter, what do you think of the large, multi-thousand person protests at the DNC in which Sanders supporters were angry that their candidate got shafted by internal collusion in the party?
(3) Do you think the general election "Should Be" Trump vs Sanders if the primary process was honest?
(4) What do you think of Sanders supporters that are (a) now supporting Trump or (b) saying "Never Hillary?"

No, I'm not taking your test.  You have not answered multiple questions directed to you by me.  Now you expect I would take your bait?  I'm not interested in pretending that you are capable of discourse. 



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 10, 2016, 09:32:56 PM
November will tell the tale.
And no, Trump isn't Satan.  But I am pretty sure they send each other Christmas cards!  :teddyr:

Yer right-he's not Satan-he's WORSE.
Satan is a supernatural myth-Trump is a real egomaniac who wants to rain hellfire on the world.
Oops-maybe-he won't take that off the table,ya know.  :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 10, 2016, 10:32:44 PM
Wish your karma wasn't turned off, Ronnie!

BTW, Satan is real.  According to my hunting partner, I sold him my soul so that I could always find the most arrowheads.
Technically, that's not true - it's more of a lease agreement.  I get it back on Sundays so I can go to church without spontaneously combusting.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 10, 2016, 11:04:40 PM
Wish your karma wasn't turned off, Ronnie!

BTW, Satan is real.  According to my hunting partner, I sold him my soul so that I could always find the most arrowheads.
Technically, that's not true - it's more of a lease agreement.  I get it back on Sundays so I can go to church without spontaneously combusting.

You make me laugh...    :bouncegiggle: 

http://youtu.be/7ryRm0jMdgk (http://youtu.be/7ryRm0jMdgk)

Sometimes I love the world. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on August 11, 2016, 03:18:36 AM
Wish your karma wasn't turned off, Ronnie!

BTW, Satan is real.  According to my hunting partner, I sold him my soul so that I could always find the most arrowheads.
Technically, that's not true - it's more of a lease agreement.  I get it back on Sundays so I can go to church without spontaneously combusting.

 :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 11, 2016, 09:02:21 AM
Indy & RC if you guys were happy with these 8 years - vote for Hillary (This isn't rocket science).

@AHD - Sorry but you said you voted for Sanders (and I really thought you were going to vote for Sanders too). Anyway, during the primary RUSH was saying that the Democrats will never allow Sanders to be President or Vice President. And I thought he was talking with a tinfoil hat - but we got the emails on wiki leaks that shows that DNC rigged the system. Sorry bud but your vote was a waste of time. I don't know about you but this don't sit well with me. I would like to see Sanders vs Trump (and even though Sanders is a Socialist he still didn't sell top secret files to other countries).

Sure you don't need to answer ulthar's questions but I don't see it as a trap because your the only admitted Sanders voter on the thread; that's why the questions was addressed to you.


 :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot:

Speaking of Satan (and worst) - Hillary 'secret server' did caused the death of a CIA agent. This is why she should be in Jail. 


 :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 14, 2016, 09:00:06 PM
Not specifically election related, but more lying media from the NYT:

https://techcrunch.com/2013/02/14/elon-musk-lays-out-his-evidence-that-new-york-times-tesla-model-s-test-drive-was-fake/


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 15, 2016, 09:51:30 AM
Donald Trump in a speech that sums up the philosophical differences between Left/Right (that supports the political status quo) and Alt-Right that supports Trump:

"[Hillary's] slogan is 'I'm with her.' My thinking is, 'I'm with YOU.'"

Yup. 

It really does boil down to "Who serves who?"  One set of philosophical ideologies is fundamentally Statist and that 'we support the President.'  The other is fundamentally individualistic that says "The President works for US."

And a bunch of writing from the Founding of the Country as background regarding how the nation is SUPPOSED to be "governed" is warranted.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 15, 2016, 10:00:35 AM
I think Trump is for Trump and no one else.  He says what people want to hear.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 15, 2016, 02:30:09 PM

I think Trump is for Trump and no one else.  He says what people want to hear.



What you think does not define reality.  You are, of course, welcome to think any darn thing you choose.  That does not make it correct.

Here's a tidbit regarding why people support Trump and what he says about immigration:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-15/sweden-report-conclusions-are-frightening-amid-summer-inferno-sexual-assaults (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-15/sweden-report-conclusions-are-frightening-amid-summer-inferno-sexual-assaults)

Coming to the US if we continue down the "open borders" path.  Germany, France, Belgium, The Netherlands, the UK, Sweden...the list goes on.

If we want to prevent this type of social change in our culture, the change where sexual assaults are commonplace, we need to act NOW before the people that perpetrate this kind of crap gain critical mass like they have in Europe.

But, head in the sand makes all kinds of problems go away...right?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 15, 2016, 03:34:23 PM
I am aware of what the massive influx of Muslim immigrants is doing to Europe.
Those countries have been committing cultural suicide for years.  I'm NOT IN FAVOR OF OPEN BORDERS, OK??
Nor am I in favor of bringing hundreds of thousands of Muslim immigrants who do not share the values of Western civilization into our country and letting them take over.

But I emphatically DO NOT trust this ignorant, loudmouthed, narcissistic JERK to fix any problem we have.  I see him doing  nothing but making things worse.

That doesn't mean I support Hillary Clinton, either.  It simply means I despise them both and refuse to have a hand in electing either.

Why is that simple position so hard for people to understand????? :hot:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 15, 2016, 03:55:28 PM
I am aware of what the massive influx of Muslim immigrants is doing to Europe.
Those countries have been committing cultural suicide for years.  I'm NOT IN FAVOR OF OPEN BORDERS, OK??
Nor am I in favor of bringing hundreds of thousands of Muslim immigrants who do not share the values of Western civilization into our country and letting them take over.


And how does that make you less a racist than 99.99% of the Trump supporter?


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But I emphatically DO NOT trust this ignorant, loudmouthed, narcissistic JERK to fix any problem we have.  I see him doing  nothing but making things worse.


Last I've check; Obama cannot run he's passed the torch to Hillary...


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That doesn't mean I support Hillary Clinton, either.  It simply means I despise them both and refuse to have a hand in electing either.

Why is that simple position so hard for people to understand????? :hot:

lol Sorry...

The math says: Hillary or Trump has a 100% shot to be president. There is no math that Eisenstein can pulled out his ass for a 3rd party to become president. At best a 3rd party may win 30% of the vote and they are given full props when they run for president in the next election.

If you like closed borders - vote for Trump. If you like open borders - vote for Hillary. If you vote for nobody or a 3rd party the vote goes to Hillary. You can shake the numbers all you like but it won't change the fact that Trump or Hillary has a 100% shot to become president.


But if you don't vote for Trump - that's ok... but Trump losses... Sorry but if you want to look at yourself in the mirror all you have is yourself to blame for the mess we are in. Trump was never the problem! The Republicans that failed to do what they promised in 2014 created Trump.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 15, 2016, 04:23:19 PM
If you disagree with this immigration policy, you are for open borders AND allowing unvetted terrorists into the US:

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/08/15/trump-foreign-policy-speech/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/08/15/trump-foreign-policy-speech/)

If you agree with closing the borders until we get a handle on WHO is entering the US, you support Trump's immigration policy, and thus Trump himself.

Quote from: Skull

If you like closed borders - vote for Trump. If you like open borders - vote for Hillary. If you vote for nobody or a 3rd party the vote goes to Hillary. You can shake the numbers all you like but it won't change the fact that Trump or Hillary has a 100% shot to become president.



Nail on the head.  It does not get any clearer than that.

Quote from: Skull

The Republicans that failed to do what they promised in 2014 created Trump.



And thus the birth of the term "Cuckservative."  They spent far more energy appeasing the Progressives than applying Conservative ideals even when they held majority controls in the Federal government.  That is undeniable FACT.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 15, 2016, 05:47:13 PM
WHEN the Republicans lose - and we WILL lose - it will not be my fault or the fault of anyone who voted for a SANE candidate.

It will be the fault of ALL of those who tried to force a giant orange-haired TURD down the throat of the American people and acted surprised when they didn't want to swallow it.


It is just this simple:  NO ONE WANTS TO VOTE FOR A JERK.   Trump is the biggest jerk on the American political scene.

Don't blame me when Hillary wins.  Look in the mirror.  There is the problem.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 15, 2016, 07:51:00 PM
WHEN the Republicans lose - and we WILL lose - it will not be my fault or the fault of anyone who voted for a SANE candidate.

It will be the fault of ALL of those who tried to force a giant orange-haired TURD down the throat of the American people and acted surprised when they didn't want to swallow it.


It is just this simple:  NO ONE WANTS TO VOTE FOR A JERK.   Trump is the biggest jerk on the American political scene.

Don't blame me when Hillary wins.  Look in the mirror.  There is the problem.

If you want open borders vote for Hillary. If you want gun control vote for Hillary. If you like what Obama is doing... vote for Hillary.


If you don't want any of that - vote for Trump.


And if you don't vote because you think Trump is a Jerk or waste your vote on a 3rd party - YES IT IS YOUR FAULT! You deserve whatever Hillary does! (If 5 million Americans that voted for McCain turn up and voted for Romney we wouldn't be dealing with a 2nd term Obama. So yes! It would be your fault.)


I never liked Bush, McCain and Romney and I held my NOSE like a MAN and voted for what I THOUGHT was the BEST for the COUNTRY! And when Obama was re-elected, I looked in the MIRROR and saw 5 MILLION a***oleS THAT DIDN'T VOTE TO STOP OBAMA!




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: AoTFan on August 15, 2016, 07:52:49 PM

Politics aside, I think I agree with something Michael Savage said... this Presidential election is like a school final that we're all just REALLY wanting to be over.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on August 15, 2016, 08:29:36 PM
Since it appears that a few of you "forgot" about the Green Party, here's a link so that maybe you will respect Indy's decision and personal reasoning.
http://www.gp.org/ (http://www.gp.org/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 15, 2016, 08:43:21 PM
Since it appears that a few of you "forgot" about the Green Party, here's a link so that maybe you will respect Indy's decision and personal reasoning.
[url]http://www.gp.org/[/url] ([url]http://www.gp.org/[/url])


sorry but Green party or any other 3rd party has no chance in beating out Hillary. The dirty secret is they are not on all the ballots.


http://www.snopes.com/green-party-state-ballots/ (http://www.snopes.com/green-party-state-ballots/)

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Although interest in Jill Stein's presidential candidacy has increased, the Green Party has not yet qualified for many states' ballots.


According to a ballot access map published on Stein's campaign site and apparently dated 2 August 2016, the candidate had qualified to appear on ballots in roughly only half the states



Sorry but Green party is a waste of vote. If the green party gets 30% (that means they would have to win most of the states they are qualified in) they will have a better standing in the next presidential election - although that means we are stuck with Hillary.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on August 15, 2016, 09:00:10 PM
Sorry but you are still trying to force Indy to vote for someone he doesn't like. No matter how much you justify it, it comes off that you are being a jerk to him.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 15, 2016, 10:59:06 PM
I said this from the moment Trump entered the race:  He is not emotionally, mentally, or politically qualified to be President.  I've never wavered.  You can cover that turd with honey and chocolate and sprinkle it with crack cocaine, and I'm still not swallowing it.

And I will be able to look myself in the mirror the day after the election and say that I did not sell my political soul to the devil because I was afraid of a woman.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 16, 2016, 05:46:10 AM
Sorry but you are still trying to force Indy to vote for someone he doesn't like. No matter how much you justify it, it comes off that you are being a jerk to him.

lol No I'm not forcing Indy to vote for anybody. If he believes he's a republican than he has only one way to vote. If he agrees with Hillary he has only one way to vote.


But I want him to know that acting like I'm not voting or voting for a 3rd party won't change the fact and it's his action does count for something. And this is true for anybody wanting to vote for President this year. There is only two choices - Trump or Hillary.

Sorry but what comes off as a jerk to me is when people act like their vote is so holy that they decided NOT to vote at all or purposely vote for somebody that has possibility in wining anything. Meanwhile we are stuck with 4 years of crap, because the democrats in power don't do anything that works. Listen to Hillary's message. If she can do half the stuff she's saying - wouldn't Obama be doing it now?


And I will be able to look myself in the mirror the day after the election and say that I did not sell my political soul to the devil because I was afraid of a woman.

Yeah, this is the reason why we have a second term Obama its because people like YOU. All you care about is this myth, political soul. It's a myth that was created by the democrats and republicans so incumbents stay in power.

I got it that you don't like Trump. Sorry. But it's not going to change the political game that was created by the Republicans and the Democrats since after the Civil War. As a History Teacher I'm shocked that you failed on this part. You should be telling us why the 3rd party system don't work. And the reason why Hillary has the advantage - SANTA.

I really, really believe the American political system should be learned at a younger age, so people will understand how the system works. Who gets hurt every time a democrat acts like Santa. Why the 3rd party system is a joke. Why super delegates were created.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 16, 2016, 07:52:17 AM
You know what?  I voted for Romney four years ago, and I was proud to do so.  He was a decent man, a good father, a good husband, and a person of strong character, and I encouraged others to get out and vote for him.
I voted for McCain even though I had questions about his character; even though I KNEW he was going to lose, because I could find things to admire about him.

But this s*** I will not eat.  Again, you want to know who to blame for the coming Presidency of Hillary Clinton?
All those who supported this vile man and tried to tell us that he was preferable.

If I'm no Republican, then neither are either of the Presidents Bush, because they're not supporting him either. 
I'm sorry my principles offend you.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 16, 2016, 08:22:39 AM

But this s*** I will not eat.  Again, you want to know who to blame for the coming Presidency of Hillary Clinton?
All those who supported this vile man and tried to tell us that he was preferable.


If Trump looses by a small number it's because of people like you.



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If I'm no Republican, then neither are either of the Presidents Bush, because they're not supporting him either.


I take it that you don't understand why it's important for the rhino's not to support Trump.



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I'm sorry my principles offend you.

What offends me is this:

Skull - a no vote for Trump is just that.  It's not a vote FOR Hillary unless I choose to vote for Hillary, which I won't.
Let's be perfectly honest.  I'm from Texas.  There are more than enough angry white rednecks here that Trump will carry my state no problem, with or without my vote.  I want to be able to look myself in the mirror after Election day, and I can't if I vote for a godless, nasty man like Trump or a baby-killing liberal like Hillary.  So I'm passing on both!!!

I've actually sat back for a few days; this was the most offensive thing you had wrote because you called me an a***ole!


So I want you to look at that mirror and see the truth.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on August 16, 2016, 09:33:49 AM
Sorry but you are still trying to force Indy to vote for someone he doesn't like. No matter how much you justify it, it comes off that you are being a jerk to him.

lol No I'm not forcing Indy to vote for anybody. If he believes he's a republican than he has only one way to vote. If he agrees with Hillary he has only one way to vote.


But I want him to know that acting like I'm not voting or voting for a 3rd party won't change the fact and it's his action does count for something. And this is true for anybody wanting to vote for President this year. There is only two choices - Trump or Hillary.

Sorry but what comes off as a jerk to me is when people act like their vote is so holy that they decided NOT to vote at all or purposely vote for somebody that has possibility in wining anything. Meanwhile we are stuck with 4 years of crap, because the democrats in power don't do anything that works. Listen to Hillary's message. If she can do half the stuff she's saying - wouldn't Obama be doing it now?

What comes off as jerk to me is trying to scare someone into voting for someone that the person in question doesn't like. Almost as if you are forcing your agenda onto them.
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Indy & RC if you guys were happy with these 8 years - vote for Hillary (This isn't rocket science).

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If you want open borders vote for Hillary. If you want gun control vote for Hillary. If you like what Obama is doing... vote for Hillary.


If you don't want any of that - vote for Trump.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 16, 2016, 10:31:44 AM
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I voted for Romney four years ago, and I was proud to do so.  He was a decent man, a good father, a good husband, and a person of strong character,

they're all POLITICIANS! this is why we are supposed to vote based on their policies and how they affect US not their phony IMAGE


ask them how they felt about the sanctions that killed half a million iraqi children to death and you'll see who they really are. it worked on madeline Albright


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 16, 2016, 10:55:39 AM


What comes off as jerk to me is trying to scare someone into voting for someone that the person in question doesn't like. Almost as if you are forcing your agenda onto them.


I'm being honest and yes it's scary. Scary as hell. I bet you assumed that the Green party was on all the ballots (as if they had a shot to the presidency). The Green party is only on 23 states, not even half. Their goal is to get 30%. Sorry but the last I've check there is no second place in the presidency.

This 2 party system was created way-way back at the end of the Civil War. The intent was to make it difficult for a 3rd party.


Now if our judges were not an aging mess, if we are not looking at the Healthcare law lasting another 4 years, if we weren't be threaten by ISIS (almost every week), if we didn't have high unemployment, massive illegal immigration - if we didn't have 8 years of Obama... maybe we could risk a 4 year Hillary.


I've been called a redneck, a racist, a Nazi and an Idiot - because I support Trump on this tread. What offends me most is how Indy thinks that him not voting makes him a greater American than me. How his feeling won't change because Hillary is elected and nominates more leftist judges in the system. Because he didn't vote for her (yet he didn't vote for Trump either)... 5 Million republicans that voted for McCain didn't vote for Romney because they thought Romney was too much like a Democrat.


The only thing Indy has to b***h about Trump is that he thinks Trump is an a***ole... meanwhile we have evidence from the FBI that Hillary lied about her secret server. Her use of the secret server has put America in danger. She should be in Jail. In my eyes Hillary is the worst and should never become President. I don't see how Trump can equal this.



Now if Indy decides not to vote or vote for 3rd party - I want him to understand he is equally responsible for the mess we are in. Sorry if that scares you but that is the fact. Those 5 million Americans are responsible for a reelected Obama.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 16, 2016, 11:52:29 AM
I'm done talking about Trump and Indy. I think I've repeated myself more than enough.


What ever Indy does - he owns it.



I would like to talk about Hillary. I would love to talk about how her secret server killed a CIA agent. I would love to talk to a Hillary supporter, if there is any :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on August 16, 2016, 01:20:15 PM
People have their own reasons why they would vote for Clinton, but here's my 3 reasons:
1) She's a woman and she would be the first US female president
2) She's a Clinton, and a Clinton was a previous president, so there's name recognition
3) it's either her or Trump, and She doesn't come off as an angry person.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 16, 2016, 04:50:42 PM
People have their own reasons why they would vote for Clinton, but here's my 3 reasons:
1) She's a woman and she would be the first US female president

a, Because women in American needs a role model. Hmmm, Charles Manson never made a better role model. Sorry, but I fear to tell my daughter to look up to Hillary because I know (from my gut) that she was selling top secret documents to other countries or as Hillary explained - she was too stupid to understand the importance of classified materials.

b, Because electing a woman will do a better job than a man. Maybe we should have an all female fire department (I'm serious).

c, Because woman demand equal rights - does this mean that we should allow women in the draft? (I won't be surprise that Hillary will push that.) You would think we make women cover their faces, don't allow them to drive a car and if she is raped - well she deserve it because she wasn't home (oh that's the Middle East)...

d, Because we never had a First Gentlemen inside the white house. This time Bill Clinton can chase the skirts and he won't be confined in the oval office.

e, Because the irony that Hillary will be seated behind the desk that Bill sat while he was leaning new tricks with a cigar.

f,  Because those voting against this idea is - sexist.


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2) She's a Clinton, and a Clinton was a previous president, so there's name recognition

I'm sorry what did Bill Clinton that was good? Besides the American people learning about DNA.

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3) it's either her or Trump, and She doesn't come off as an angry person.

I see Hillary a little angrier because she was supposed to be president in 2008.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 16, 2016, 07:21:59 PM
Ulthar, Skull, let me say this - I like you both.  I never intended to insult either of you or question your character.  Your political judgment maybe, but your character, NEVER
Skull - I didn't call you an a$$hole, not once.  I did say that Texas was full of angry white rednecks who like Trump.  Believe me, it is! That's not a character judgment on you, or on them, necessarily, and it certainly wasn't meant to insult you.

Now, as for the whole "Rhino" thing - first of all, a Rhino is an animal.  A RINO is a (supposedly) Republican In Name Only, once directed at ultraliberal northern Republicans like Susan Collins of Maine, now it has become the favorite label for angry people to hang around the necks of ANYONE who isn't willing to instantly shut down the government if Republicans don't get their way on ANY legislative issue. Frankly, I find that most of the people having that label thrown at them are pragmatic conservatives who know that our system of government is based on compromise and are willing to take small victories, one at a time, and incrementally push a conservative agenda rather than take flashy, dramatic stands and then lose.  So if Paul Ryan and the former Presidents Bush and other such leaders are RINO's, then I will wear that name as a badge of honor.

Last of all, for you, Lester - Saddam could have gotten rid of those sanctions ANY TIME HE WANTED.  All he had to do was abide by the results of a cease-fire that HE HAD SIGNED.  The deaths of those Iraqi children lay at his doorstep, not America's.

Finally - yes, Hillary Clinton sucks too.  She may not be the anti-Christ that some Tea Party types paint her to be, but she's a sorry excuse for a leader and is really a very poor candidate.  IF our party had nominated someone like Marco Rubio instead of the Orange Turd, WE would be the ones with double digit leads right now and the Democrats would be the ones in panic mode!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 16, 2016, 08:27:08 PM
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Saddam could have gotten rid of those sanctions ANY TIME HE WANTED.  All he had to do was abide by the results of a cease-fire that HE HAD SIGNED.  The deaths of those Iraqi children lay at his doorstep, not America's.

I'm sure Jesus would have agreed that half a million dead children is okay because of politics. like I said... you'll see who they really are



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 16, 2016, 08:43:18 PM

Ulthar, Skull, let me say this - I like you both.



Irrelevant.  Liking someone has nothing to do with truth.

Similar concept: Liking a candidate has nothing to do with that candidate having the better policy ideas of two candidates one of which WILL be the next President.

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I did say that Texas was full of angry white rednecks who like Trump.  Believe me, it is! That's not a character judgment on you, or on them, necessarily, and it certainly wasn't meant to insult you.



Backpedaling horse puckey.

You have numerous times stated that "Trump supporters are ignorant racists" and similar comments.  Now that someone here has called you on it directly by saying he did not appreciate being called disparaging terms, you are trying to change the tune.

You may not have said, "Skull, you are an a-hole."  True.  But, the implication has been very clear in regard to what you think of Trump supporters.  If you really think Trump supporters are ignorant racists or a-holes, own it.  If you are not willing to stand by your comments, then maybe you shouldn't make them.

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Now, as for the whole "Rhino" thing - first of all, a Rhino is an animal.  A RINO is a (supposedly) Republican In Name Only,



Being pedantic on the Internet won't win arguments.

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now it has become the favorite label ...



The newer alt-right term "Cuckservative" is much more appropriate.  RINO implies there's merit in the Republican party to aspire to.

The "Conservative Movement" in the US is a massive failure.

Some light reading:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-conservative-void.html (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-conservative-void.html)


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Finally - yes, Hillary Clinton sucks too. 



She sucks far worse, and I've seen you admit as much.  So, get out and vote.

It's really too bad we've allowed the MSM make elections more about personality than policy and platform.  Earlier in the thread, I posted a graphical side-by-side comparison of the two candidates.  If you did not know anything about the personalities of the two and JUST decided based on stated policy positions, which would you choose?

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WE would be the ones with double digit leads right now and the Democrats would be the ones in panic mode!



Wow, I sure wish MY crystal ball worked so well as to be able to say with certainty what WOULD be happening in another reality!  Alas, my observational skills are limited to THIS reality, and here's what I observe:

(1) No one is panicked on this topic except the above mentioned Cuckservatives.  The alt-right, Trump supporting crowd is pretty confident at this point based on a NUMBER of factors.

Also, the 'panic' is largely manufactured by the (Clinton supporting) press anyway.  That's the same press that does stuff like this:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kristine-marsh/2016/08/15/cnn-selectively-edits-police-shooting-victims-sisters-words#.V7I0PrRnnr4.twitter (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kristine-marsh/2016/08/15/cnn-selectively-edits-police-shooting-victims-sisters-words#.V7I0PrRnnr4.twitter)

Another good example: photos of Hillary appearances with 100-200 people being reported as "3000" while completely ignoring 6000 attending a Trump rally.  

In summary, if you are getting your information, such as this so-called "panic," from MSM sources, you are being duped.

(2) Mathematical analysis of poll data shows that polls taken this time of year have ZERO EFFICACY for forecasting election outcomes.

This is true whether Trump is leading those polls or Hillary is leading those polls.  The polls mean precisely sh1t, except to the Cuck pundits and Progressive MSM that are so far in the tank for Hillary they don't even try to hide it anymore.

(3) The only real panic that is happening right now is in the MSM.  Due to new media and citizen journalists, the MSM has lost control of the narratives and manipulation of the election.  They are pushing these "Trump is panicked" bits to try to create a narrative they can control, but it ain't working much.

Well, they are panicking over loss of ability to manipulate the campaign season AND loss of profits/viewers.  There are Twitter accounts that get more eyeballs each day than the NYT or CNN broadcasts.

(4) Rubio lost.  He's not running for President.  He did not even come in Second Place.   Good grief.  He could not even muster serious support within in his own party's primary.  What makes you think he'd be a stronger candidate than the guy that DID muster that support? Your conclusion makes no mathematical sense whatsoever.

Seriously, never in my life have I witnessed so much whining about the candidates that did not win the nomination as this year.

The election is Clinton vs Trump.  Yeah, there's Johnson and Stein and maybe a couple of other nobodies in the race, but they won't win.  Clinton or Trump will be President baring something REALLY weird (like a nominee change).

(5) The Republican Party leadership had their chance(s) to fight Trump's nomination.  Don't you ever ask yourself why they did not pull one of the fast ones the MSM predicted they WOULD do?  There's probably some pretty informative conclusions to be drawn from that FACT.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 16, 2016, 10:10:37 PM
Ulthar, Skull, let me say this - I like you both.
Irrelevant.  Liking someone has nothing to do with truth...

The truth is he likes you.  Some of us consider other members friends whom we may not agree with.  In our subjective realities the truth may be that our personal lives are more important than presidents or kings or king makers. 

Being pedantic on the Internet won't win arguments.

That's the pot calling the kettle black.  Take your own advice. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 16, 2016, 10:45:29 PM
I never said ALL Trump supporters were ignorant racists.  But a great many of them, at least here in Texas, seem to be.

As for the rest - November will tell the tale.
And I think it will be a very sad tale for Trump's supporters.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 17, 2016, 06:20:48 AM
Indy I'm done with this issue. You know the facts that there are only 2 choices. Whatever choice you make you own it. Don't vote then you get what you deserve. Vote for a 3rd party that has no way in winning - you get what you deserve. Not voting and hiding in the closet is not helping to change a damn thing.

Sorry but all you been doing is b***hing about Trump but all I got from you is that Trump is an a***ole. Big whip, so he's an a***ole. After what happen with Bush and the media - it's expected that we are going to get an a***ole. And to tell you the truth if it was Jesus Christ nominated for the Republican party the media will still make him look like an a***ole.

The worst thing that can happen if Trump is president is that he nominates a judge, everything else is stopped. I don't see any stopping on Hillary's agenda because the RHINO are willing to work with Hillary. (Thanks for the history lesson - I like to think of them as Rhino's - now tell us something important like why we have a 2 party system. Why the green party has no chance in hell. Why Reagan didn't run 3rd party in 1976.)


@AHD - I love everybody here too... but what I'm posting is more towards the lurker than Indy. It never was Indy. Indy represents the Never Trumpers thinkers.  So in a sense I'm talking to the 5 million voters like Indy.


I'm done talking about Trump. If you have something more solid than Trump is an a***ole than we can talk about Trump. Otherwise I like to talk about Hillary. Her policies and what will happen if she is president.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 17, 2016, 08:29:39 AM

And to tell you the truth if it was Jesus Christ nominated for the Republican party the media will still make him look like an a***ole.


THIS is the key point a LOT of folks miss.

We've faced this with the media for YEARS in the 'gun rights' movement.  The media LIES.  It's what they do.  There is NOTHING we can do to make them tell our story correctly and factually.  And, even if we don't "do" anything, they make crap up.  (Cf, for example, the instance earlier in the thread where I KNOW the real story vs how it was reported in a headline).

No matter what "we" do (substitute whatever you what for we here), the media will spin it to suit THEM and THEIR narrative.

To wit:

So, Trump's a racist, huh?  Consider:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqCowoqWAAAdfHk.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 17, 2016, 08:41:02 AM
More fuel for the ""how did we get Trump" fire:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/tea-party-pacs-ideas-death-214164 (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/tea-party-pacs-ideas-death-214164)

Three interesting quotes:

(1) "[The Tea Party] didn't die a natural death.  It was murdered."

(2) "Today, the Tea Party movement is dead, and Trump has co-opted the remnants. What was left of the Tea Party split for a while between Trump and, while he was still in the race, Ted Cruz, who was backed by Jenny Beth Martin, co-founder and national coordinator of the Tea Party Patriots. In 2014, the Tea Party Patriots group spent just 10 percent of the $14.4 million it collected actually supporting candidates, with the rest going to consultants and vendors and Martin’s hefty salary of $15,000 per month; in all, she makes an estimated $450,000 a year from her Tea Party-related ventures."

(3) Any postmortem should start with the fact that there were always two Tea Parties. First were people who believe in constitutional conservatism. These folks sense the country they will leave their children and grandchildren is a shell of what they inherited. And they have little confidence the Republican Party can muster the courage or will to fix it.

Second were lawyers and consultants who read 2009’s political winds and saw a chance to get rich.

So, you want to know why Trump bubbled to the top of the R ticket?

The answer is simple: The Republican Party sold out the people that support it.  They have sold out the base for decades (hence the origin of the term "Cuckservative").  This financial swindle was icing on the cake.

The "party" was primed for a Trump by its own corruption. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 17, 2016, 10:01:17 AM
I wonder where these brilliant boys get their news stories...  :question:  I mean if you don't look at "MSM". 

Trump has been called a racist because his own words condemn him.  Y'know like that whole debacle wanting the Mexican American judge recuse himself from the Trump University lawsuit - because the judge is "Mexican".  Duh. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 17, 2016, 08:39:42 PM
When Hillary is talking about spending money on infrastructure has anybody wonder what the heck was Obama doing 8 years ago when he talked about spending money on infrastructure?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 18, 2016, 08:46:33 AM

I wonder where these brilliant boys get their news stories...  :question:  I mean if you don't look at "MSM". 



From thinking people that present facts.  I long ago realized you are physically capable of understanding this basic concept.

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because the judge is "Mexican".  Duh. 



When did "Mexican" become a race?   :teddyr:

This is why your worldview is seen as the nonsense it is.  Words slipped to mean whatever you want them to mean today.  There's a LIST of logical fallicies that describe this phenomenon....whole psychological studies, in fact.

Call Trump racist.  He doesn't care.  The term has lost its meaning and it's ability to 'harm' in this campaign (as it should).

"Racist" has long been a slander by the SJW types to shut down conversation.  Don't like what someone is saying? Call 'em "racist" or "sexist" or "homophobic" or the newer "Islamaphobic."  These are PC terms designed to control the discussion.

And, that control is LOST.  An it is HILARIOUS.  So, keep calling Trump racist; keep throwing mud that WILL NOT STICK.  He doesn't care; he laughs at people that call him this stuff.

As he SHOULD.  As we all should. Progressive Political Correctness is a mental disease; it merits ridicule and nothing else.

Timely, as this was just posted today, Vox gives another brief outline on the topic:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/conservatives-dont-get-it.html (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/conservatives-dont-get-it.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 18, 2016, 10:13:31 AM
Skull- exactly. whenever they want to raise taxes they talk about infrastructure. They did it on 60 minutes a while ago. it always begs the question: why have they let it get this bad in the first place? If infrastructure wasn't a priority for them in the past it probably won't be in the future either.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 18, 2016, 11:18:43 AM
Skull- exactly. whenever they want to raise taxes they talk about infrastructure. They did it on 60 minutes a while ago. it always begs the question: why have they let it get this bad in the first place? If infrastructure wasn't a priority for them in the past it probably won't be in the future either.




Usually this argument is made when a Republican is in office, because the dumb down American people would believe that the Republicans don't care about the internal structure of the country, they are too busy filling their own pockets. Even though Infrastructure is a States issue more than a Federal Government issue.

But this argument makes less sense since Obama was supposed to spend a Trillion dollars on Infrastructure when he just got in office. I wonder if anybody is going  to point this out... (besides us)











Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 18, 2016, 12:32:19 PM
Another nice little quote spotted online today to contrast "Conservatives" and the "alt-right:"

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Conservatives are more interested in preserving their place at the liberal cocktail table than fighting for Western civilization.


That's one reason why the Left hates Trump (and Trump supporters and the alt-right in general) SO bad.  The alt-right is upsetting the "Conservatives kiss our backsides at every opportunity" apple cart too much.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 18, 2016, 02:25:21 PM

I wonder where these brilliant boys get their news stories...  :question:  I mean if you don't look at "MSM".  


From thinking people that present facts.  I long ago realized you are physically capable of understanding this basic concept.
 
Thanks!  I know I am "physically capable".  
But, don't rock the boat, someone who hates you for being who you are (in "fact") may scuttle it.  


...
When did "Mexican" become a race?   :teddyr:
This is why your worldview is seen as the nonsense it is.  Words slipped to mean whatever you want them to mean today.  There's a LIST of logical fallicies that describe this phenomenon....whole psychological studies, in fact.
Call Trump racist.  He doesn't care.  The term has lost its meaning and it's ability to 'harm' in this campaign (as it should).
"Racist" has long been a slander by the SJW types to shut down conversation.  Don't like what someone is saying? Call 'em "racist" or "sexist" or "homophobic" or the newer "Islamaphobic."  These are PC terms designed to control the discussion.
And, that control is LOST.  An it is HILARIOUS.  So, keep calling Trump racist; keep throwing mud that WILL NOT STICK.  He doesn't care; he laughs at people that call him this stuff.
As he SHOULD.  As we all should. Progressive Political Correctness is a mental disease; it merits ridicule and nothing else.
Timely, as this was just posted today, Vox gives another brief outline on the topic:
[url]http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/conservatives-dont-get-it.html[/url] ([url]http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/conservatives-dont-get-it.html[/url])
 
I well know that "Mexican" is not a "race" yet, unfortunately, I know several persons (including a few in Arizona) who despise Mexicans just because they are Mexican.  I think that that point of view is racist.  

Plus, I don't think I ever called Trump a racist.  That doesn't mean I don't think he is one.  Afterall, he played dumb when asked about David Dukes and white supremacists; he just dodged a question.  It might make sense, they're liable to vote for him now, aren't they?  

Lastly, I think you have a clear case of projection.  I am not trying to "control" the conversation (like you) nor do I routinely hurl insults in order to intimidate. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 18, 2016, 09:48:48 PM
Despite the MSM's will to try to set the "Trump in trouble" narrative, facts are pesky things:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/trump-continues-to-see-campaign-crowds-ten-times-the-size-of-clintons/#st_refDomain=&st_refQuery= (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/trump-continues-to-see-campaign-crowds-ten-times-the-size-of-clintons/#st_refDomain=&st_refQuery=)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 18, 2016, 11:05:28 PM
Well, we'll see won't we mein freund? 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 19, 2016, 03:05:09 AM
Despite the MSM's will to try to set the "Trump in trouble" narrative, facts are pesky things:

[url]http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/trump-continues-to-see-campaign-crowds-ten-times-the-size-of-clintons/#st_refDomain=&st_refQuery=[/url] ([url]http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/trump-continues-to-see-campaign-crowds-ten-times-the-size-of-clintons/#st_refDomain=&st_refQuery=[/url])

So MSM is fiction and the Gateway Pundit is fact? How did you come to that conclusion? Why don't you just quote Rush Limbaugh,and get the "real" facts?
Oh yeah-that's right-because you said so-so it must be true.
Oh yeh-side note-Steve Bannon-a blatant racist-is working for the Trump campaign now-gee-why am I not surprised?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 19, 2016, 04:49:52 AM
Somebody posted this on Facebook-(they know who they are  :wink:)

This is funny!

http://youtu.be/src30HcFvdw (http://youtu.be/src30HcFvdw)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 19, 2016, 07:17:13 AM
From the very beginning of this campaign, I looked at the head-to-head polls of how the various Republicans polled against Hillary Clinton.  Those were often forgotten in the crush of polls between the GOP candidates and the state-by-state primary polling, but I found them informative.  Dozens of these polls were done, from the moment Trump entered the race right up till this day (realclearpolitics.com index of polls).  In virtually EVERY head-to-head poll, Hillary has crushed Trump.  Yes, his rallies draw more people, but the people who come to those rallies are mostly Trump supporters anyway.  Statistical samplings of the population have shown from the beginning that people prefer Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump.  That has remained true in about 90% of the head-to-head polls since this whole thing started.  I know polls can be skewed by the sample selection, but 90% is an alarming number for Trump supporters.  I see no evidence that demographic has changed, which means Hillary Clinton WILL be President, like it or not.


(For the record, in those same polls, Marco Rubio beat Hillary Clinton EVERY time, often by double digits.  Shame he's not our nominee.)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 19, 2016, 09:37:37 AM
Sigh.

Again.  Mathematical analysis of these polls show ZERO statistical efficacy.  The polls mean NOTHING.  They have ZERO predictive power and are not even descriptive snapshots in time. 

They are nothing more than "political theater."

Stop and think about why they are pushed so hard.  Such polls, which mean NOTHING (no matter who is shown winning), serve only to deflect attention from other stories.

This is the difference between "rational decision making" and "emotional decision making."  A rational person ignores data that is KNOWN to be crap.  Emotionally, we cling to any/all data that supports our preconceived beliefs.

The polls are crap, but being rational is hard.

From the very beginning of this campaign, I looked at the head-to-head polls of how the various Republicans polled against Hillary Clinton.  Those were often forgotten in the crush of polls between the GOP candidates and the state-by-state primary polling, but I found them informative.  Dozens of these polls were done, from the moment Trump entered the race right up till this day (realclearpolitics.com index of polls).  In virtually EVERY head-to-head poll, Hillary has crushed Trump.  Yes, his rallies draw more people, but the people who come to those rallies are mostly Trump supporters anyway.  Statistical samplings of the population have shown from the beginning that people prefer Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump.  That has remained true in about 90% of the head-to-head polls since this whole thing started.  I know polls can be skewed by the sample selection, but 90% is an alarming number for Trump supporters.  I see no evidence that demographic has changed, which means Hillary Clinton WILL be President, like it or not.


(For the record, in those same polls, Marco Rubio beat Hillary Clinton EVERY time, often by double digits.  Shame he's not our nominee.)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 19, 2016, 09:38:39 AM
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(For the record, in those same polls, Marco Rubio beat Hillary Clinton EVERY time, often by double digits.  Shame he's not our nominee



thats not true here are the Rubio vs Hillary polls

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_rubio_vs_clinton-3767.html#polls (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_rubio_vs_clinton-3767.html#polls)

or here http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-rubio-vs-clinton (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-rubio-vs-clinton)


the earliest ones have clinton way way up. They began to converge when it looked like he might be the nominee but then split back toward Hillary when he couldn't seal the deal


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 19, 2016, 09:39:42 AM
Hillary headed for Prison yet?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-to-hold-clinton-perjury-hearing/article/2599638 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-to-hold-clinton-perjury-hearing/article/2599638)

Well, probably not.  The Ryan licker Cucks in the house outnumber the Reps with real gonads.

Trey Gowdy for President...or SCOTUS.  Til then, here's hoping the House does it's JOB for a change.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 19, 2016, 09:57:20 AM
^see thats what I mean.  ryan licker cucks? these hard core right wing expressions don't really travel well


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 19, 2016, 10:54:43 AM
From the very beginning of this campaign, I looked at the head-to-head polls of how the various Republicans polled against Hillary Clinton.  Those were often forgotten in the crush of polls between the GOP candidates and the state-by-state primary polling, but I found them informative.  Dozens of these polls were done, from the moment Trump entered the race right up till this day (realclearpolitics.com index of polls).  In virtually EVERY head-to-head poll, Hillary has crushed Trump.  Yes, his rallies draw more people, but the people who come to those rallies are mostly Trump supporters anyway.  Statistical samplings of the population have shown from the beginning that people prefer Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump.  That has remained true in about 90% of the head-to-head polls since this whole thing started.  I know polls can be skewed by the sample selection, but 90% is an alarming number for Trump supporters.  I see no evidence that demographic has changed, which means Hillary Clinton WILL be President, like it or not.


(For the record, in those same polls, Marco Rubio beat Hillary Clinton EVERY time, often by double digits.  Shame he's not our nominee.)

And for the record Marco Rubio lost his home state (do I need to remind you who beat him?). Also most of the Conservative (except for RUSH) hated Rubio because of the Gang of 8 bill. And what really killed Rubio was the support of the Establishment. Sorry, Rubio and Cruz needs to sucker punch Santa and you cannot do that while being nice. Too many uneducated voters that thought Romney was going to ban birthcontrol is not going to realize that Santa (DEMOCRAT PARTY) is a THIEF.   


I also think this is a funny line you wrote and I want you to think deep about it, because it contradicts your post:

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Yes, his rallies draw more people, but the people who come to those rallies are mostly Trump supporters anyway.






Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 19, 2016, 01:19:19 PM
I looked at the poll average this morning again, and every single NATIONAL poll shows Trump losing to Hillary.  EVERY ONE.
He wins a few state polls (in red states), but when multiple polls tell the same story month after month after month - that Trump loses the national election to Hillary - you can dismiss them all you want, but frankly, I think they begin to approach the real numbers.

If Trump loses, nationwide, by the same margin that he has trailed in the polls for the last six months, are you STILL going to say those polls are meaningless?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 19, 2016, 01:50:12 PM
I looked at the poll average this morning again, and every single NATIONAL poll shows Trump losing to Hillary.  EVERY ONE.
He wins a few state polls (in red states), but when multiple polls tell the same story month after month after month - that Trump loses the national election to Hillary - you can dismiss them all you want, but frankly, I think they begin to approach the real numbers.


Depends... how many Trump supporters want to be called a racist when they are asked to take a poll?



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If Trump loses, nationwide, by the same margin that he has trailed in the polls for the last six months, are you STILL going to say those polls are meaningless?

I'll be pointing my finger at the Never Trumpers.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 19, 2016, 02:03:03 PM
That's where, frankly, you are displaying cognitive dissonance.  Trump has the HIGHEST negatives of anyone in politics right now - about 70% of the country has a negative view of him.  Again, those poll numbers have hardly budged since this race began.  Hillary's negatives are high, but about 12 points below his, and again, that ratio hasn't moved much. 

So you Trump supporters nominate a man that a majority of Americans despise, lose, and it's the fault of all those of us who tried to warn you that a majority of Americans despise your candidate?  Makes perfect sense!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 19, 2016, 03:45:50 PM
That's where, frankly, you are displaying cognitive dissonance.  Trump has the HIGHEST negatives of anyone in politics right now - about 70% of the country has a negative view of him.  Again, those poll numbers have hardly budged since this race began.  Hillary's negatives are high, but about 12 points below his, and again, that ratio hasn't moved much. 

So you Trump supporters nominate a man that a majority of Americans despise, lose, and it's the fault of all those of us who tried to warn you that a majority of Americans despise your candidate?  Makes perfect sense!

I'm going to sit back and enjoy the weekend. I'll let you Never Trumpers think about the mistake you guys are making with your support for Hillary.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 19, 2016, 04:00:37 PM
For the last time, I do NOT support Hillary Clinton.  Get this through your head please:  I HATE THEM BOTH.  I WILL VOTE FOR NEITHER.  THAT MEANS I SUPPORT NEITHER!


At this point, I'd vote for Cthulhu himself over EITHER of them. :hatred:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 19, 2016, 04:20:27 PM
Indiana - where are the polls that show rubio beating Hilary by double digits?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 19, 2016, 07:09:18 PM
Indiana - where are the polls that show rubio beating Hilary by double digits?
In the hands of the pollsters,I reckon.
I understand-I really-REALLY do.
Americans are sick of s**t-big goverment-when-and Trump is right-the system is rigged.
But if he wants to be elected president he shouldn't talk s**t about Mexicans. And he says this and says that-and he feeds into your emotions. Working class-yet this f**ker is richer than any idiot has the right to be-he sits on a f**king GOLD CHAIR! People with meth mouth and fans of Duck Dynasty are thrilled-and so are folks who just want it to happen because they like chaos.
Wheres the working class-he's a smart f**ker who knows how to brainwash people-and he did-people who think with their anger.
The guy is like a sneaky Dr.Doom!  :tongueout:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 19, 2016, 07:47:18 PM
so Indiansmith is a pollster? He said he looked at polls that show Rubio beating Clinton by double digits and i can't find any.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 19, 2016, 08:44:30 PM
For the last time, I do NOT support Hillary Clinton.  Get this through your head please:  I HATE THEM BOTH.  I WILL VOTE FOR NEITHER.  THAT MEANS I SUPPORT NEITHER!


At this point, I'd vote for Cthulhu himself over EITHER of them. :hatred:

Sorry a vote for Cthulhu is a vote for Hillary :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 19, 2016, 08:46:50 PM
so Indiansmith is a pollster? He said he looked at polls that show Rubio beating Clinton by double digits and i can't find any.
He dont have to-it's ON EVERY NEWS CHANNEL-and Fox just spins it. Because its owned by a old ass grabber millionare. They're butt buddies-Trump was a Democrat-he is now NOT a Republican-he's not for YOU-he's for TRUMP. Most news is biased-but I don't rely on what pundits say-I watch and listen to his speeches-he preys on fear-and theyre is much to fear-no doubt about it-but he aint being honest-hes a liar millionare-who never picked up a shovel in his whole life-and he's a man of the people-he even called him self a blue collar millionare.
guess what?
THERE IS NO SUCH THING.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 19, 2016, 08:49:11 PM
For the last time, I do NOT support Hillary Clinton.  Get this through your head please:  I HATE THEM BOTH.  I WILL VOTE FOR NEITHER.  THAT MEANS I SUPPORT NEITHER!


At this point, I'd vote for Cthulhu himself over EITHER of them. :hatred:

Sorry a vote for Cthulhu is a vote for Hillary :)
Yer right-Hillary's evil is sloooow-Trump will be like Godzilla and just f**k the world up all at once.
I dont want either. Either way were f**ked.  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 19, 2016, 09:33:28 PM
Politics are not based on FACTS-it's based on EMOTION.
Yeh-lotta despairing toothless poor white folks who think Trump is God-they're MORONS. Im a toothless white guy in a small redneck town-lotta Trump folks-but MORE anti Trump-hillbillies aint gonnna inheriet the earth. Sorry.Hillbillies are just LOUDER-not smarter. Theyre idiots.
Trump aint a Republican-hes a Populist-a fast talking liar.
But the Republicans are backing him-cuz they think they think can rein him in-and yes-the Hitler analogy fits.
Its Germany 1933 all over again. Thats NOT something I read on a webpage or even heard on the news-thats what I've seen of this guy first hand out of his own yap.. Look up yer world history. Hitler had Mein Kamph-Trumps past should speak for itself-all his bankruptsies-and still keeping his money??? The guy is a LOSER!
My eyes dont lie.My ears dont lie.  Not gonna rule out dropping atomic weapons on Europe? This man is CRAZY.
Nuclaer war is NEVER an "option".They guy want to be in POWER. He wont stop if he's elected-he'll start wars.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 19, 2016, 10:05:38 PM
Trump is just f**kin nuts.
Id take George f**kin Bush Jr-over this madman anyday-he was stupid-Trump is CRAZY.
In 2008-me and Indy were head to head-now he's on my side?
Thats something. Indys hard core conservative-Trump aint a Republican-hes a closet Fascist. And that closet is wide open-and America -rich white America .ie..TRUMP-wants that s**t.
Fact is-yer white america dont exist-only the America with money.-grow up-welcome to 2016-if you Trump supporters think this guy is gonna change yer life-HAHA!
Mexicans stealin yer job,Ulthar? Whats yer problem-you gonna go pick cabbage?
You ignore facts and quote weird obscure news sources-you talk smart-not threw yer mouth-somebody moved yer furniture out and moved theirs in.
THINK FOR YOUR SELF.
And I'm the crazy one here-you blast Hallows-blast me man-I'll go head to head with you anyday. Blast Indy-! blast me,man-dont be scared.
I dare you to a debate!!!!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 19, 2016, 10:16:49 PM
Lester  - I may have misremembered the double digits part, but what I do remember is this: last winter and spring, Rubio consistently polled better against Clinton than any other GOP candidate, and for one stretch of a month or so he led her in just about every poll.  Trump has never polled well against her.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 19, 2016, 10:31:42 PM
Indy-we always been on oppisite sides of the political spectrum-but were not idiots-I dont care-right-left-I aint either-but we both know Trump is DANGEROUS.
But folks like Skull like that drama-and Ulthar-he's flat out crazy.
If Trump can call Mexicans rapists-I can say he's CRAZY.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 19, 2016, 10:47:37 PM
Ulthar-take me on-I aint scared of yer lemming rhetoric. Drop Hallows-take me on,man.
I DARE YOU. :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 20, 2016, 09:38:51 AM
Larry Correia does what he does best, and hits it out of the park again:

http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/08/19/the-american-news-media-sucks/ (http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/08/19/the-american-news-media-sucks/)

Couple of fun bits:

(1) "These biased jackasses never come anywhere near the truth. It is all about narratives bolstering existing world views."

(2) Reference to the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect as remarked upon by Michael Crighton.

(3) "So we’re all walking around, thinking we’ve got a clue about stuff, when in reality we’ve been fed bulls**t by idiots."

(4) "There are plenty of legit reasons to despise either presidential candidate. But what is most political coverage about? Stupid minutia, half of which is made up."

 :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 20, 2016, 10:09:29 AM
...
(3) "So we’re all walking around, thinking we’ve got a clue about stuff, when in reality we’ve been fed bulls**t by idiots."
...
This I agree with.  I don't know why one plate of bullsh!t should taste any better than another plate of bullsh!t. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 20, 2016, 10:24:09 AM
...
(3) "So we’re all walking around, thinking we’ve got a clue about stuff, when in reality we’ve been fed bulls**t by idiots."
...
This I agree with.  I don't know why one plate of bullsh!t should taste any better than another plate of bullsh!t. 

One is leftovers and the other is fresh... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 20, 2016, 10:37:03 AM
Larry Correia does what he does best, and hits it out of the park again:

[url]http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/08/19/the-american-news-media-sucks/[/url] ([url]http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/08/19/the-american-news-media-sucks/[/url])

Couple of fun bits:

(1) "These biased jackasses never come anywhere near the truth. It is all about narratives bolstering existing world views."

(2) Reference to the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect as remarked upon by Michael Crighton.

(3) "So we’re all walking around, thinking we’ve got a clue about stuff, when in reality we’ve been fed bulls**t by idiots."

(4) "There are plenty of legit reasons to despise either presidential candidate. But what is most political coverage about? Stupid minutia, half of which is made up."

 :cheers:


And now yer quoting a cheap pulp fiction writer-boy-yer reaching!  :bouncegiggle:
No amount of spin can hide what I hear-on the TV-from Trump's own little pouty yap.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 20, 2016, 10:38:35 AM

This I agree with.  I don't know why one plate of bullsh!t should taste any better than another plate of bullsh!t. 


Solution: don't eat plates of bs.  Don't confuse basic facts with the bs spin the MSM offers up.

Do your own vetting; if someone is telling you something, distrust it until you can vet it.  If you are unwilling to vet information yourself, you deserve to eat the bs being fed to you on a platter.

Trust DATA.  Trust FACTS, not someone else telling you what it MEANS.  The MSM's modus operandi is to hide the actual data and push either a distorted view of the facts or their 'interpretation' of them.  Both are propoganda and thus lies.

And remember...facts can't be 'racist.'  Facts CAN be uncomfortable.  Facts can challenge cherished beliefs.

Once again, "the truth is the greatest enemy of the state:"

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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

--Joseph Goebbels



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 20, 2016, 10:43:02 AM
 

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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

--Joseph Goebbels

[/quote]

How ironic-a quote by Goebbels from the guy who's gonna vote for Orange Hitler.  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 20, 2016, 10:51:36 AM

a quote by Goebbels from the guy who's gonna vote for Orange Hitler.  :bouncegiggle:


How moronic...a statement by a guy that does not understand the context of that quote in this discussion and that once again completely misses even the most obvious point.

Keep trying, Ronnie.  You do provide a lot of laughs...not the 'with' kind, though.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 20, 2016, 11:06:45 AM
I undesrtand the quote perfectly-and your the one falling for the bulls**t. It's amazing how you goosestep right in line with all the other Trump lemmings-I'll be on the sidelines when he marches you guys off the cliff.  :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 20, 2016, 12:26:03 PM
A chance for the future:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqUYLYfVIAAtQ0G.jpg)

Or bow to our enemies in supplication:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqRuvx7WAAAaVxr.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 20, 2016, 12:28:40 PM
Re: LA floods:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqUOuPRWEAAkYqB.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 20, 2016, 05:09:05 PM
Ulthar-how is Trump going to improve your life? I really wanna know this.
All you do is quote obscure right wing websites-and call it fact. You try to pass off that you are thinking for yourself-when your just quoting right wing websites. Your such a lemming.
You talk a lot of s**t-NONE about policy-this guy has to go threw congress to get anything done-his own party thinks he's crazy-which is gonna make the nation stagnet. Do you really think even Republicans are gonna support him?
Hallows-in private messages-told me to be nice-so I was-but your a rude person-and Im taking the gloves off. You ignore me because YOU HAVE NO LOGICAL ANSWERS-you spout rhetoric you find on far right websites.

Are you married? Do you have children? I bet not-yer a sexually frustrated geek.
Get a wife-or a life
See how easy it is for me to slander someone I don't know?
I just pulled that out of my ass.
Oh-Hey-Im just being honest aint that what you love about him?-like Trump calling Mexicans rapists!!!!
So-I can be a rude basterd with no real facts-works both ways,buddy.
Christ-Skull I can deal with-your just too f**king crazy.
The only reason you wont go head to head with me is because you know I will blow you out of the water.
Your a coward. You hide behind rhetoric. THINK FOR YOURSELF.
I dont care about obscure web site opinions-thats all you quote-none of it is based in logic. I think yer a lonley man who just wants chaos to make things interesting. I may be--no-I am-am old drunk. But your a LEMMING.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 20, 2016, 06:53:41 PM

This I agree with.  I don't know why one plate of bullsh!t should taste any better than another plate of bullsh!t.  

Solution: don't eat plates of bs.  Don't confuse basic facts with the bs spin the MSM offers up.
Do your own vetting; if someone is telling you something, distrust it until you can vet it.  If you are unwilling to vet information yourself, you deserve to eat the bs being fed to you on a platter.
Trust DATA.  Trust FACTS, not someone else telling you what it MEANS.  The MSM's modus operandi is to hide the actual data and push either a distorted view of the facts or their 'interpretation' of them.  Both are propoganda and thus lies.
And remember...facts can't be 'racist.'  Facts CAN be uncomfortable.  Facts can challenge cherished beliefs.
Once again, "the truth is the greatest enemy of the state:"
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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”--Joseph Goebbels
Don't you see?  Skull does.  Trump's bullsh!t may be fresh, but it's still bullsh!t.  You've been hearing the word "vetting" too much lately.  (I wonder why?)  Apparently you are not as skeptical as a "scientist" should be.  Despite your repeated assertions (that old 'say it 'til it's true' trick) I make up my own mind.  The mainstream media does not make up my mind, I am too skeptical and lean way further left than any Democrat or MSM pundit.  You've been floating on the water too long; you're not living in the real world which you condemn.  I have long memory.  You have convenient memory.  

...And you've quoted that Nazi enough.  You're practicing his policies.  

Re: LA floods:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqUOuPRWEAAkYqB.jpg)
Now you are falling for the bullsh!t.  It seems clear to me that the President has stayed away because of what the governor of Louisiana said about available resources.  Instead, Trump sees an opportunity to hand out bags of potato chips and boxes of cereal and pretend he is working for the disaster relief (despite consuming resources like police protection) and get his picture taken doing it.  Get out of the wind, he'll blow you over. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 20, 2016, 07:04:04 PM

...And you've quoted that Nazi enough.  You're practicing his policies.

Amen,Brother


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 20, 2016, 08:19:07 PM
Ulhtar-on your own-what makes you so qualified and self rightous and smug that you know all the answers to all?
Tell me your backround that makes you such an expert? Back up your s**t-I never claimed to be anything but an old drunk-you try to come off like some kind of self important political analist (I meant to spell it that way)-when your just full of yourself.
I dont know the answers to this counrys problems-Hillary aint it-but Trump sure the f**k aint-but you know EVERYTHING.
Must be nice to live in a bubble. :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 20, 2016, 08:24:14 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-price-of-powerlessness/2016/08/18/f61d2c34-6575-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html?utm_term=.8089869fb257 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-price-of-powerlessness/2016/08/18/f61d2c34-6575-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html?utm_term=.8089869fb257)


reading this op ed on the MIddle East from the "MSM". this guys seems to have no idea how the middle east or any other region of the world works in the slightest bit

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it has gradually allowed a hard-won post-Saddam Iraq to slip into Iran’s orbit.

Iraq has always been in Iran's orbit. It's mostly Shia. As I recall this guy was a radical proponent of the Iraq war. If he was so paranoid about Iran he probably should have thought about it then. Personally, I'm really not offended by Iranian Muslims traveling to see shrines in Iraq and vice versa.

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This week Russian bombers flew out of Iranian air bases to attack rebel positions in Syria

good. All of the different "rebels" want to impose sharia law if they win. Many, if not all, are affiliated with ISIS or Al Queda. Who would choose them over Assad or anyone? I'd take Kim Il Sung over them

People we don't like are bombing people we like even less. that's called a gift horse

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utter U.S. immobility on Syria.

immobility is a strange word choice because theres no mobility to be lacking. The president a few years back asked congress to authorize action in Syria it never even came up for a vote because it was such an utterly unpopular idea.


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Under the absurd pretext of Ukrainian terrorism in Crimea (reminiscent of Hitler’s claim that he invaded Poland in response to a Polish border incursion)...yet the president shows little concern"

He's like most Americans in that sense. Besides, the Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to stay with Russia.

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The major revisionist powers — China, Russia and Iran — know what they want: power, territory, tribute.

revisionist =  massive, ancient regional powers.  Why wouldn't they want to maintain the role they've held for, in some cases millenia? There's a thing called geography we're all subject to. and reality

I wonder how he feels about our tens of trillion of dollars of debt? probably not too concerned. or the fact that we've had to lower standards for military service and offer massive signing bonuses. and dont tell me about isolationism this guy plainly wants the US to run the whole world and for US taxpayers to pay and die for it



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 20, 2016, 09:05:04 PM
One cannot read that story without subscribing. 

...
I wonder how he feels about our tens of trillion of dollars of debt? probably not too concerned. or the fact that we've had to lower standards for military service and offer massive signing bonuses. and dont tell me about isolationism this guy plainly wants the US to run the whole world and for US taxpayers to pay and die for it

Talkin' 'bout Trump?  Then we agree. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 20, 2016, 09:17:33 PM
weird it opened for me and I'm not a subscriber. sorry about that (that it didn't open not that I'm not a subscriber) anyway

Trump is the opposite of that guy. He wants NATO countries to defend themselves and supports Putin bombing ISIS. and was against the War in Iraq, though theres some controversy about what he said when. at any rate this is what he's saying now

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Trump didn’t just call the Iraq war a mistake. He called it “a big fat mistake.” And he didn't call it an inadvertent mistake because of faulty intelligence. “They lied!” he thundered. “They said there were weapons of mass destruction … and they knew there were none.” Trump even groused that the war cost $5 trillion that could have helped rebuild America’s crumbling infrastructure,


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/trump-code-pink-bush-iraq-9-11-213630 (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/trump-code-pink-bush-iraq-9-11-213630)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 20, 2016, 09:33:58 PM

Don't you see?  Skull does.  Trump's bullsh!t may be fresh, but it's still bullsh!t.


Fresh should taste better than leftovers. It's the voters that supposed hold the elected officials feet to the fire, something that has not been done in a long, long time.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 20, 2016, 10:19:55 PM
weird it opened for me and I'm not a subscriber. sorry about that (that it didn't open not that I'm not a subscriber) anyway

Trump is the opposite of that guy. He wants NATO countries to defend themselves and supports Putin bombing ISIS. and was against the War in Iraq, though theres some controversy about what he said when. at any rate this is what he's saying now

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Trump didn’t just call the Iraq war a mistake. He called it “a big fat mistake.” And he didn't call it an inadvertent mistake because of faulty intelligence. “They lied!” he thundered. “They said there were weapons of mass destruction … and they knew there were none.” Trump even groused that the war cost $5 trillion that could have helped rebuild America’s crumbling infrastructure,


[url]http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/trump-code-pink-bush-iraq-9-11-213630[/url] ([url]http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/trump-code-pink-bush-iraq-9-11-213630[/url])

I understand that you were referring to the writer of the article.  Your last remarks I quoted sounded like Trump to me: I don't think he cares about our military, our debt, but I do think he wants to "run the whole world" and us to pay for it. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 20, 2016, 10:27:48 PM
You say the media is lying to you-good god-yer falling into a trap with a billionaire who wants your money? You really-I mean REALLY?
Trump controls yer life-dont be a f**kin troll and fall for this mans BULLs**t-if he gets to be President-he will s**t on everything he said and do anything to make himself richer,HES A LIAR WAKE UP.
The most person Im surprised that is drinking the Kool-Aid is Lester-yer a smart man-why are you going for this s**t?
I reallly respect your thoughts-but your backing Trump knocks me for a loop.I thought you were a Marxist. What happened,my freind?
Id vote for a f**king commie before I vote for a TV billionare.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 20, 2016, 11:24:29 PM
A TV billionaire...  :bouncegiggle: 
That sh!t makes me laugh.  And you're right.  Except maybe about Lester...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 21, 2016, 08:33:39 AM
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Your last remarks I quoted sounded like Trump to me: I don't think he cares about our military, our debt, but I do think he wants to "run the whole world" and us to pay for it. 

I understand that but it doesn't describe Trump's policy positions at all. He has emphasized again and again that he wants us to break free of our myriad commitments, get along with Russia, and STOP being the world's for free police force. It's Hillary who wants to maintain the empire-like status quo.

Trump is a lot of things a hawk is not one of them, other than generally want to protect the continental United States which is of course the presidents job.

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.I thought you were a Marxist.

I'm a libertarian and registered Republican. I hate Marx


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 21, 2016, 09:01:54 AM
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Your last remarks I quoted sounded like Trump to me: I don't think he cares about our military, our debt, but I do think he wants to "run the whole world" and us to pay for it. 

I understand that but it doesn't describe Trump's policy positions at all. He has emphasized again and again that he wants us to break free of our myriad commitments, get along with Russia, and STOP being the world's for free police force. It's Hillary who wants to maintain the empire-like status quo.

Trump is a lot of things a hawk is not one of them, other than generally want to protect the continental United States which is of course the presidents job.

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.I thought you were a Marxist.

I'm a libertarian and registered Republican. I hate Marx

I respect Libertarians-I aint wild about f**kin commies either-and I dont hate Republicans-I like Lincoln-I voted for f**kin Ronny Regan. But the party has lost their roots-its become a joke. So has the Dems-we aint had a good President since Roosevelt. FDR and Teddy were good. JFK-he had passion but was a little to honest-thats why he got shot.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 21, 2016, 09:11:02 AM
I liked Nixon untill he became a paranoid-I feel sorry for Nixon-he just lost his mind in public-I feel bad for him. I think Ford did the right thing when he pardoned him. The man was a wreck-he couldnt handle his job-and he just lost it. I liked Jimmy Carter-that poor man had to bring the nation together when no one had any trust in our countrys leadrs anymore-and Reagan put on a good show-but he was a puppet-a good man at heart-but a tool. I voted for him-the first and last time I ever voted.
Im not gonna vote this year either. I choose NOT to choose-and that IS a choice-because the only true thing thats come out of Trumps mouth is that elections are rigged.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 21, 2016, 09:13:42 AM
fun fact: Ian Mackaye from Minor Threat and Fugazi's father was a reporter for WaPo and was in the motorcade when JFK was shot

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Ian: Oh, yes. My father was in the White House Press Corps, 1960-1. He was working for the Minneapolis Star at the time, I guess. He was just in the press corps. He was just in the motorcade. He was just in a bus with a bunch of the other journalists following the limousine as they came into Dallas. They were two blocks back. They had no idea what had happened. The bus they were riding in suddenly accelerated and just whipped through Dealey Plaza, where the shooting occurred. And they saw everybody running. They knew that something bad had happened but no one had any idea. They didn’t know what had happened until they hit the Parkland Hospital. They just pulled up in front of the hospital and that’s when it became apparent that something very bad had happened at that point.


http://www.razorcake.org/interviews/nardwuar-the-human-serviette-vs-ian-mackaye-this-interview-originally-ran-in-razorcake-04-2001 (http://www.razorcake.org/interviews/nardwuar-the-human-serviette-vs-ian-mackaye-this-interview-originally-ran-in-razorcake-04-2001)

re: Nixon the movie humanized him a bit for me but def not a fan


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: CheezeFlixz on August 21, 2016, 09:18:50 AM
So I stop by after years away and I see everyone is still arguing over would be the best president ... all I'm going to say is I left in the mist of a lot of Obama supporters, how did that work out for you?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 21, 2016, 09:24:15 AM
fun fact: Ian Mackaye from Minor Threat and Fugazi's father was a reporter for WaPo and was in the motorcade when JFK was shot

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Ian: Oh, yes. My father was in the White House Press Corps, 1960-1. He was working for the Minneapolis Star at the time, I guess. He was just in the press corps. He was just in the motorcade. He was just in a bus with a bunch of the other journalists following the limousine as they came into Dallas. They were two blocks back. They had no idea what had happened. The bus they were riding in suddenly accelerated and just whipped through Dealey Plaza, where the shooting occurred. And they saw everybody running. They knew that something bad had happened but no one had any idea. They didn’t know what had happened until they hit the Parkland Hospital. They just pulled up in front of the hospital and that’s when it became apparent that something very bad had happened at that point.


[url]http://www.razorcake.org/interviews/nardwuar-the-human-serviette-vs-ian-mackaye-this-interview-originally-ran-in-razorcake-04-2001[/url] ([url]http://www.razorcake.org/interviews/nardwuar-the-human-serviette-vs-ian-mackaye-this-interview-originally-ran-in-razorcake-04-2001[/url])

re: Nixon the movie humanized him a bit for me but def not a fan

That an interesting punk rock connection (Im a punk rock fan) and just because I understand Nixon dont mean Im a fan of the guy-I just understand-I understand Manson and Hitler too-but I aint fans. I was watching Jack Palance in DRACULA when f**kin Nixon preempted the movie and resigned-I was not happy.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 21, 2016, 09:29:47 AM
So I stop by after years away and I see everyone is still arguing over would be the best president ... all I'm going to say is I left in the mist of a lot of Obama supporters, how did that work out for you?

I dont give a f**k about Obama either way-he was ok,I reckon-my attitude with politics has shifted-I wish Jessie Ventura would run.
The thing with Trump-if he does win (which I doubt-because-yes-the elections are rigged) Congress will block everything he wants to do. And America will be stagnet-once again-it has been since Reagan left office-I hate to say it-he was our last halfway decent president.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 21, 2016, 09:31:46 AM
Oh! Welcome back,Cheezy! Good to see ya buddy! :thumbup:
And I really mean that!  :smile:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: CheezeFlixz on August 21, 2016, 09:37:58 AM
Oh! Welcome back,Cheezy! Good to see ya buddy! :thumbup:
And I really mean that!  :smile:

Thank but you'll get over it.  :smile:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 21, 2016, 09:39:45 AM
Oh! Welcome back,Cheezy! Good to see ya buddy! :thumbup:
And I really mean that!  :smile:

Thank but you'll get over it.  :smile:
Same old Cheezy. :smile:
So I dont even have to ask you who your for,I reckon?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 21, 2016, 09:50:44 AM
Lotsa things changed here,Cheeze-Andrews gone-the good Rev has taken the reigns-which is a good thing-hes great-Indys still here-a good man-Hallows is too-not too many old timers no more-but a lot of new folks who are great. :thumbup:
Welcome back-I hope ya hang out more often.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: CheezeFlixz on August 21, 2016, 10:01:20 AM
Lotsa things changed here,Cheeze-Andrews gone-the good Rev has taken the reigns-which is a good thing-hes great-Indys still here-a good man-Hallows is too-not too many old timers no more-but a lot of new folks who are great. :thumbup:
Welcome back-I hope ya hang out more often.

Thanks did Andrew sell to site or just turn over the rains?  I'm friends with Indy and Trevor on FB - I hadn't realized it had been 5 years since I had last logged in and actually hadn't thought about it until deleting dead bookmarks and saw the link.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on August 21, 2016, 10:24:25 AM
Nobody knows what happend to Andrew-he's just-gone. Its a weird mystery-he's been gone about a year at least.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on August 21, 2016, 10:46:16 AM
Lotsa things changed here,Cheeze-Andrews gone-the good Rev has taken the reigns-which is a good thing-hes great-Indys still here-a good man-Hallows is too-not too many old timers no more-but a lot of new folks who are great. :thumbup:
Welcome back-I hope ya hang out more often.

Thanks did Andrew sell to site or just turn over the rains?  I'm friends with Indy and Trevor on FB - I hadn't realized it had been 5 years since I had last logged in and actually hadn't thought about it until deleting dead bookmarks and saw the link.


Slight correction: I have not officially overtaken the reigns, I am just the only mod left who regularly posts. I did mention that if necessary I might buy the site from Andrew before the badmovies.org domain expires in June 2017 so we can continue.

Andrew logged in July 03, 2016 but didn't say anything. He's unreachable by email. I think he probably just moved on to other interests.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on August 21, 2016, 10:48:25 AM
Oh, and hi, CheezeFlix! Hope you've learned to stop diluting perfectly good bourbon with Coke.  :tongueout: :drink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 21, 2016, 02:17:18 PM
Welcome back to my old pal Cheeze!

You have been missed!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 22, 2016, 09:18:36 AM

-not too many old timers no more-


Funny. Pretty sure I pre-date all ya'll.  The only person sorta regularly posting these days that was on here before me is Ash, who used to post as AshTheCat.

Some folks that get called 'old timers' are babes on this site.   :teddyr: :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 22, 2016, 09:30:03 AM
And this is why the concerns about the media should trouble EVERYONE...Left, Right, Hillary Supporters, Sanders Supporters, Trump Supporters, Athletic Supporters...

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/21/nyt-tech-columnist-calls-google-suppress-hillary-health-info/ (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/21/nyt-tech-columnist-calls-google-suppress-hillary-health-info/)

Yes-siree, folks.  We have a columnist at the NYT who thinks Google should limit search results according to rules HE agrees with.

The sad thing is that this sort of thing is already going on to some extent.  Google is no longer returns 'unbiased' search results and that is VERY easy to verify by using an alternative search engine such as duckduckgo.

But, what is interesting about this NYT piece is how out-in-the-open the suggestion is...for Google.

In theory, Google is nothing but an information index. A cross reference of data.  Information does not have "sides."  Retrieval of information should not be 'filtered' in this manner.

This is also how history can be re-written.  Suppose 20 years from now, someone wants to do a paper on "Conspiracy Theories in the 2016 Election."  If Google is NOT indexing blog posts, articles, tweets, etc on this topic, it looks like it never happened.

Which is, sadly, exactly this a-holes desire: to re-write history.

So, go ahead toss stones at ulthar's rants against the MSM and the Progressive Left's SJW/PC tactics...the reality is they ARE corrupting our society.  Disagree with something a NYT columnist believes?  That's wrongthink and Big Bro can't have that.  Through silencing and shaming they derive control.

A reading of 1984 is definitely in order for everyone planning to vote in this election.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 22, 2016, 09:36:52 AM

I understand that but it doesn't describe Trump's policy positions at all.


 :bouncegiggle:

Don't you know, lester, NEVER, EVER let facts get in the way of some good feelz.

It's a fair bet that most people that rant against Trump and call him evil or Hitler or whatever other braindead nonsense don't even know what his clearly stated policy positions actually ARE.  Much less understand them in context.

It's not surprising, really...all things considered. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 22, 2016, 10:40:32 AM
 :teddyr: :teddyr:

"But something else happening before our eyes is almost as important: the complete collapse of American journalism as we know it."

http://nypost.com/2016/08/21/american-journalism-is-collapsing-before-our-eyes/ (http://nypost.com/2016/08/21/american-journalism-is-collapsing-before-our-eyes/)

 :cheers:

(if true, couldn't happen to a better set of sycophantic losers)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 22, 2016, 02:02:31 PM
I don't like Trump.  But I myself have not posted here calling him "evil" or "Hitler" (that king sh!t).  I think Trump has manipulated his followers and I think he is dishonest, inexperienced and incompetent.  I don't like Hillary either.  I don't see good choices this cycle. 

Some aspects of Trump's "policies" I agree with.  America needs to stop being the world's police.  We need to protect our borders.  We need to improve our economy, recreate jobs, and stop exporting jobs and importing China made crap.  America must come first.  I have stated that Trump has done at least one good thing.  He has shaken the political process to its core. 

I also think the mainstream media is skewered and possibly dishonest.  Conservative media is equally biased.  Who'd have thought the NY Post would publish an article I agree with? 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on August 22, 2016, 09:37:55 PM
Seems to be that since I went on vacation that things got heated up and then Cheeze came back and cooled things down.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 22, 2016, 09:47:15 PM
Seems to be that since I went on vacation that things got heated up and then Cheeze came back and cooled things down.

I'm just excited with the new MTG (magic the gathering) release :)

I'm also done talking in circles. I think I'm going to take a month off from this thread :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 23, 2016, 10:56:17 AM
was just thinking how Tim Kaine vs Mike Pence would be the opposite of the current election and preferable in many ways


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 23, 2016, 04:57:29 PM
More "The Media is a big Joke:"

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cqkym5eUMAAUDE-.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 23, 2016, 05:04:08 PM

Ulthar-how is Trump going to improve your life? I really wanna know this.


Just saw this and figured I'd take a stab.

Here's the dirty little secret that really should NOT be a secret by this point.  I'm not a Statist loser that thinks the President SHOULD 'improve my life.'  At all.  In any way.

That's not his damn job and I would not want him to do anything anyway.  I can take care of myself just fine.  No "improvement" needed, thankyouverymuch.

I want the dang gov't to get out of the way.  Trump is MUCH more likely to do push the government OUT of people's lives than Clinton, who is the very epitome of "All solutions come from DC."

Only, her "solutions" are not solutions at all...they are just theater designed to keep the problems going so "they" can continue to say "We need more solutions."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 24, 2016, 02:26:25 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on August 24, 2016, 03:38:06 PM
More "The Media is a big Joke:"

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cqkym5eUMAAUDE-.jpg)
wat.
Also, internet is part of the media.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 24, 2016, 08:45:34 PM
What does Tim Kaine do? who would enjoy going to a Tim kaine rally I can't picture it


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 25, 2016, 12:12:45 AM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 25, 2016, 04:35:11 PM
And speaking of racist supporters... :twirl:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CquFgJcXgAAfkj0.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 25, 2016, 07:20:40 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 25, 2016, 08:34:00 PM
Dang it.  Can't show that to my son...he'd vote for Bender if he was old enough to vote.

Update on the state of HRC's position in American politics:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqvPPD7UIAAx9FA.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on August 26, 2016, 03:56:34 AM
Oh, and hi, CheezeFlix! Hope you've learned to stop diluting perfectly good bourbon with Coke.  :tongueout: :drink:

 :bouncegiggle: :teddyr: :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on August 26, 2016, 04:05:15 AM
Welcome back to my old pal Cheeze!

You have been missed!

Seconded: all we need is Dr Menard, Jack and Andrew to come back and all will be well.  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 26, 2016, 07:36:09 AM

internet is part of the media.


"The Media" = "Main Stream Media" aka "Old Media."  The corporate gatekeepers of information and controllers of the narrative.

But you knew that and it IS hard to miss a snark opportunity.  Check out Dunning-Kruger when in doubt.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on August 26, 2016, 10:25:37 AM

internet is part of the media.


"The Media" = "Main Stream Media" aka "Old Media."  The corporate gatekeepers of information and controllers of the narrative.

But you knew that and it IS hard to miss a snark opportunity.  Check out Dunning-Kruger when in doubt.
Pardon me if I'm misinterpreting what you said, but are you saying that websites aren't part of the media?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 26, 2016, 05:13:55 PM

Pardon me if I'm misinterpreting what you said, but are you saying that websites aren't part of the media?


What websites?  Websites in general? 

It's very clear what I'm talking about.  "Main Stream Media" as in established, corporate controlled news agencies that have abandoned their professional mandate to remain 'neutral and unbiased' and to be the voice For The People, against the government if need be. 

The MSM as it has evolved is now rather the voice for the government against the people...these corporate organizations that seek more to control information than to inform the citizenry.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 26, 2016, 05:27:25 PM
It seems more clear with each passing day that Hillary's campaign is in trouble.  Her little stunt against the alt-right yesterday has turned out to be a huge joke, for example, and a bunch of folks are left scratching their heads if the Clinton organization is completely incompetent, willfully stupid or just that arrogant as to think no mistakes matter.

They are NOT loved by many, yet they continue to operate as if they are adored.  It's just bizarre at this point.

Also, the health issue is sticking, and sticking hard.  Her crimes and corruption did not seem to sway many people, but the issue of her health is.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cq0TUIoWgAAH1gU.jpg)

And, she's getting some help from her allies in trying to put this sort of thing to bed.  Earlier today, the #ParanoidHillary hashtag, referring to the paranoia present in her big speech yesterday, was trending and gaining fast.

Then it disappeared, like many similar anti-Clinton hashtags have done in the last month or so.  With the banning and shadowbanning and throttling of conservative and alt-right twitter users now very well documented, there is no question which candidate the Twitter management favors and the manipulation of trending lists is also well known.

Meanwhile, another angle to her story is continuing to be a thorn in her side.  Again, her cause is helped by a complicit MSM.  This sums it up:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cq0TOETWIAQg5Em.jpg)

Even with the MSM helping her out, this story and the email server issue will not go away

The Clinton campaign is facing something it never thought it would face: loss of control of the narrative, and with that loss of control, a real race.

Predictions that she'll drop out and be replaced are starting, with candidates like Biden offered as possibilities.

And meanwhile, many Sanders supporters have joined the "Never Hillary" camp.  I can certainly understand their anger.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on August 26, 2016, 05:28:44 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on August 27, 2016, 08:47:23 AM
Vox Day Tweet of the day:

"TL;DR #AltRight foreign policy:

Don't bomb them over there.

Don't bring them over here."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 30, 2016, 09:53:27 AM

internet is part of the media.


"The Media" = "Main Stream Media" aka "Old Media."  The corporate gatekeepers of information and controllers of the narrative.

But you knew that and it IS hard to miss a snark opportunity.  Check out Dunning-Kruger when in doubt.
Pardon me if I'm misinterpreting what you said, but are you saying that websites aren't part of the media?

I totally understand the confusion here because the term ‘mainstream media’ was a term used to describe the controlling media before the internet. I believe the death of the main stream media started in 1990’s with RUSH’s popularity, than shows like South Park (which poke fun all ideologies and opened the eyes of many young adults) and finally the ‘digital switchover’ in America in 2009. The digital switchover is important because it makes watching free tv a little more difficult.

Today the media is all over the place because 90% of the news on the internet. I get my general news from my bing bar but I also google search for news if I want to read something, and I believe most do the same. So it seems that all media is mainstream, but it’s not. There is a conflict of information as for what is and isn’t news.

Still confused? Yeah, here is why.  There are two major type of news. Those that aligned themselves openly with a political party/ideology; and those that claims to be 100% neutral/unbiased.

The problem with those that claim to be neutral/unbiased is that they assumed to play the role of the referee; meanwhile the other media outlet shows evidence that the supposed referee media is not neutral and totally bias on their reporting. Than those neutral/unbiased outlets accused the other for purposely bashing the other party/ideology because of their open support.

Who’s right and who’s wrong?

I do know as a RPG (dice chucker and a hardcore RIFTS player) that being 100% neutral is impossible.

Quote
Kevin Siembieda has a noted distaste for "neutral" alignments, as used in Dungeons & Dragons. This is stated in most core rulebooks in the alignment section, and stems from the idea that a truly neutral character would not do anything particularly interesting, like fight or adventure.

People have emotions, thoughts and a motive; especially when they report the news.  Therefore anybody claiming to be 100% neutral/unbiased is lying!  

This is the most interesting presidential election.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on August 30, 2016, 09:38:02 PM
I posted this on my FB earlier today.  I am very curious now to see how closely I've called it (or how way off I wind up being!):


FWIW, here is my prediction for November. Mark this down and see if I am right!
 The Libertarians and other third parties will have their best run since 1992. I think they will capture some 10-15% of the popular vote, simply because so many Americans despise both front-runners. There will also be a record number of write-ins!
 Donald Trump will get somewhere between 32-36% of the popular vote. I don't see him going much higher. The GOP will lose at least one house of Congress, possibly both, for offering up such a despised candidate to the American people. I take no joy in that, I am a Reagan/Bush Republican, but that's how I see it playing out.
 As for Hillary - she will get some 40-42% of the popular vote, but win a solid electoral majority, and will serve as President for the next four years, but most likely will not win a second term.

I'm not happy about ANY of this, but that's how I see it playing out. Again, write it down and we'll see how close I come.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on August 31, 2016, 08:06:01 AM
I posted this on my FB earlier today.  I am very curious now to see how closely I've called it (or how way off I wind up being!):


FWIW, here is my prediction for November. Mark this down and see if I am right!
 The Libertarians and other third parties will have their best run since 1992. I think they will capture some 10-15% of the popular vote, simply because so many Americans despise both front-runners. There will also be a record number of write-ins!
 Donald Trump will get somewhere between 32-36% of the popular vote. I don't see him going much higher. The GOP will lose at least one house of Congress, possibly both, for offering up such a despised candidate to the American people. I take no joy in that, I am a Reagan/Bush Republican, but that's how I see it playing out.
 As for Hillary - she will get some 40-42% of the popular vote, but win a solid electoral majority, and will serve as President for the next four years, but most likely will not win a second term.

I'm not happy about ANY of this, but that's how I see it playing out. Again, write it down and we'll see how close I come.


My guess: Libertarian 4% of vote (their highest total ever)
Green Party: less than 0.2%
Republican: 46%
Democrat: 50%

No second term for Hillary.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on August 31, 2016, 08:33:26 AM
I think Hillary (and the democrats) are going to try to promote the libertarian party, but it's going to backfire.

Hillary: 20%
Libertarian Party: 20%
Trump: 60%

My worst fear is:

Electoral College elects Hillary even if Trump wins 60% of the vote.

Anyway:

If Hillary is elected, she will win a second term because the onslaught of immigrants are going to vote for Hillary. Meanwhile, the republican will break into 3 groups. Rep-democrat (republicans like McCain), Conservatives (republicans like Cruz), Tea Party (republicans like Palin) and the Libertarian Party will be seen as a major party... So I don't see the Democrats loosing for the next 10 elections, maybe more.


America's worst mistake was re-electing Obama and we cannot afford another 4 years.



If Trump sucks we can vote him out of office in the next 4 years... There is noway in hell Hillary is not getting a second term! She will be importing VOTERS!




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on August 31, 2016, 09:45:02 AM
Chris Brown should run he'd get 100% of the black vote judging by twitter


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 01, 2016, 12:44:49 AM
Hillary will win.
I ain't happy about it either.
If Trump won-I won't be happy-oh no.
It don't matter who wins-either way-we lose.
We got the same old same old on one side-
we got a man who has the skills to be president of....NOTHING-a corrupt bankruptcy sucking racist maniac on the other.
We all lose-
I have never-evereverever-seen such a bleak outlook-the Dems are reduced to electing a puppet-and aww geez-an idiot who thinks she can buy the presidency-or a multi millionaire  racist with a penchant for bankruptsy. Our systym is a joke-a battle play between the rich and established-(Clinton) and the ultra rich (Trump)-and  childish.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 01, 2016, 12:53:07 AM
what tools we are
Whats funny-not haha-is that most of Trumps voter base-crazy hillbillys-wont even f**kin vote! I cant see poo' white trash getting off their asses to vote-and for some reason-oh yeah-he's a nazi-I try to forget-they like him-not for his policys-he has none-it's because-"I hate Mexicans." And now he's trying to spin that he LIKES those "rapists and murderers". Mexico aint buying his lies-black folks aint buying his lies-and neither is any thinking man-folks like Ulthar just reflect their own insecurities buy siding with this shmuck. Get a wife,Ulthar-quit showing your hand. Your so easy to read. :lookingup:
Trumps accusations that folks think "were a joke"-and he says that a lot-only reflects that  he thinks WE think he's a joke-he's very thin skinned-his money is his dick. Without his big money-he's nothing. He IS a joke.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 01, 2016, 06:41:14 AM
what tools we are
Whats funny-not haha-is that most of Trumps voter base-crazy hillbillys-wont even f**kin vote! I cant see poo' white trash getting off their asses to vote-and for some reason-oh yeah-he's a nazi-I try to forget-they like him-not for his policys-he has none-it's because-"I hate Mexicans." And now he's trying to spin that he LIKES those "rapists and murderers". Mexico aint buying his lies-black folks aint buying his lies-and neither is any thinking man-folks like Ulthar just reflect their own insecurities buy siding with this shmuck. Get a wife,Ulthar-quit showing your hand. Your so easy to read. :lookingup:
Trumps accusations that folks think "were a joke"-and he says that a lot-only reflects that  he thinks WE think he's a joke-he's very thin skinned-his money is his dick. Without his big money-he's nothing. He IS a joke.  :bluesad:

Sorry but here is a fact... 1/3 of our prison is filled with Illegal aliens (most are Mexicans) and they are in prison for rape, murder and robbery.

love or hate Trump. Here is another fact. If Trump sucks we can vote him out of office. We are not going to vote Hillary out of office because she's importing voters.

It's mathematically impossible for a 3rd party player because this 2 party system was created after the civil war. (Indy should know this!) It's been around a long, long time. I would welcome a 3rd party option only if there is a 100% guaranteed that the 3rd party is not going to get Hillary elected. It's not happening because the 3rd party players are not on all the ballots! And the democrat party acts like Santa. Sorry but America screwed up when they re-elected Obama and I believe we cannot afford a 3rd term Obama.

I'm also getting very tired of your racist comments. Trump is no NAZI! HIS SUPPORTERS ARE NOT NAZI!

If you want to know about the racist American history here is the facts. The democrat party wanted to keep slavery. The democrat party went to war (civil war) because the Republican party wanted to end racism. Please note that the Republican party was the break up of the wigs party. Why did the wigs break up? because a good number of members (including Lincoln wanted to end slavery.) The KKK was the creation of the democrat party (I had posted evidence to support this). Also, FDR was a in a closet member of the KKK (I've also posted evidence to support this). Everything that is screwy about racism is caused by the democrat party! (again I posted evidence)

So far I see no evidence that Trump and his supporters are RACIST!



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 01, 2016, 08:29:33 AM
Ah, the "media sure is messed up" article that I posted early, an article written by media insiders, gets some fresh love:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-31/mainstream-media-admits-it-may-never-recover-2016-election (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-31/mainstream-media-admits-it-may-never-recover-2016-election)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 01, 2016, 08:36:20 AM

Whats funny-not haha-is that most of Trumps voter base-crazy hillbillys-wont even f**kin vote!


Citation Needed or STFU.  Your weak-ass attempts at rhetoric sure are tiresome.

You pull so much crap out of your backside it's a wonder you have time to eat.

I know, I know, asking for actual FACTS makes me racist, stupid, a Nazi Hitler Lover, etc.  Yeah.  Still, though...blathering on a bunch of unsupportable nonsense, no matter how many ***'s and &^%$'s are thrown in is just poor, poor rhetoric.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 01, 2016, 09:06:47 AM

Whats funny-not haha-is that most of Trumps voter base-crazy hillbillys-wont even f**kin vote!


Citation Needed or STFU.  Your weak-ass attempts at rhetoric sure are tiresome.

You pull so much crap out of your backside it's a wonder you have time to eat.

I know, I know, asking for actual FACTS makes me racist, stupid, a Nazi Hitler Lover, etc.  Yeah.  Still, though...blathering on a bunch of unsupportable nonsense, no matter how many ***'s and &^%$'s are thrown in is just poor, poor rhetoric.

I swear that anybody calling Trump and his supporters a Nazi has a mental illness and needs to consult a doctor.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on September 01, 2016, 08:13:47 PM
You boys make me laugh.   :bouncegiggle: 

Now somebody should pick up all these dirty dishes...   :cheers:  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 02, 2016, 04:04:59 AM
If you want to see or hear proof of Trumps racism-just listen to his speeches-it's so blatant. Yes-our prisons are filled with Mexicans-they're also filled with white people,black people-all people. They're are GOOD and BAD from all races. If they commit a crime-arrest them. Simple-but the honest,hardworking ones deserve a chance to become citizens just like your forefathers did. Mass deportation is cruel-yeah-I know he's whistling another tune now that the elections are near-but the damage is done.
Canada has a system-if your not a citizen-you can't work. You get deported if they catch you working. It happened to my freind Tom-who worked in his brothers Dounut shop-he got caught-was ordered out of the country.
Mexicans get hired because they don't complain when rich white folks hire them for under the minimum wage-off the books-because it's CHEAP. Blame rich white folks for your immigration "problem".
I know this for a fact ot be true-because the company I worked at for 30 years hired illegals all the time-when-when Immigration policia walked in to do checks-BAM-they scattered like mice out the doors. And I don't recall a single rapist or killer among them. in 30 years-EVER-and they hired 100's every year.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on September 02, 2016, 10:06:55 AM
Quote
Sorry but here is a fact... 1/3 of our prison is filled with Illegal aliens (most are Mexicans) and they are in prison for rape, murder and robbery.

As best as I can tell, there's no stat tracking on this anywhere except in Texas state prisons, and even there it seems dicey (based on ICE requests, apparently).  Where does this fact come from?  


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 02, 2016, 10:37:52 AM
Quote
crazy hillbillys-wont even f**kin vote! I cant see poo' white trash

referring to economically disadvantged white ppl as hillbillys and white trash is probably racist too, if I was the type to be sensitive to that stuff


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 02, 2016, 02:32:02 PM
Quote
Sorry but here is a fact... 1/3 of our prison is filled with Illegal aliens (most are Mexicans) and they are in prison for rape, murder and robbery.


As best as I can tell, there's no stat tracking on this anywhere except in Texas state prisons, and even there it seems dicey (based on ICE requests, apparently).  Where does this fact come from?  


I've posted those facts on this thread sometime ago. Sorry you should google search and prove me wrong...

I'm F'n tired of posting facts and nobody reads them. I'm done. I'm going to say stuff and if you don't like them - prove me wrong. Aka - Do your own homework.



HINT:

On the April 1, 2006 broadcast of "Lou Dobbs Tonight," CNN reporter Christine Romans said: "According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, 30 percent of federal prisoners are not U.S. citizens."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html)




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 02, 2016, 02:46:05 PM
If you want to see or hear proof of Trumps racism-just listen to his speeches-it's so blatant. Yes-our prisons are filled with Mexicans-they're also filled with white people,black people-all people. They're are GOOD and BAD from all races. If they commit a crime-arrest them. Simple-but the honest,hardworking ones deserve a chance to become citizens just like your forefathers did. Mass deportation is cruel-yeah-I know he's whistling another tune now that the elections are near-but the damage is done.
Canada has a system-if your not a citizen-you can't work. You get deported if they catch you working. It happened to my freind Tom-who worked in his brothers Dounut shop-he got caught-was ordered out of the country.
Mexicans get hired because they don't complain when rich white folks hire them for under the minimum wage-off the books-because it's CHEAP. Blame rich white folks for your immigration "problem".
I know this for a fact ot be true-because the company I worked at for 30 years hired illegals all the time-when-when Immigration policia walked in to do checks-BAM-they scattered like mice out the doors. And I don't recall a single rapist or killer among them. in 30 years-EVER-and they hired 100's every year.

The only racist words I hear (read) is coming from your post.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on September 02, 2016, 03:44:05 PM
Quote
Sorry but here is a fact... 1/3 of our prison is filled with Illegal aliens (most are Mexicans) and they are in prison for rape, murder and robbery.


As best as I can tell, there's no stat tracking on this anywhere except in Texas state prisons, and even there it seems dicey (based on ICE requests, apparently).  Where does this fact come from?  


I've posted those facts on this thread sometime ago. Sorry you should google search and prove me wrong...

I'm F'n tired of posting facts and nobody reads them. I'm done. I'm going to say stuff and if you don't like them - prove me wrong. Aka - Do your own homework.



HINT:

On the April 1, 2006 broadcast of "Lou Dobbs Tonight," CNN reporter Christine Romans said: "According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, 30 percent of federal prisoners are not U.S. citizens."

[url]http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html[/url] ([url]http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html[/url])





I hate to butt in, since I've sworn off this thread, but you said "1/3 of our prison is filled with Illegal aliens (most are Mexicans) and they are in prison for rape, murder and robbery."

While 1/3 of federal prisoners are illegal aliens, the majority are there for immigration violations. Of the remainder, the majority are drug possession violations (for which US citizens would normally receive probation, not a prison sentence). Eliminating immigration violations themselves, they only account for 13% of the Federal prison population.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/07/illegal-immigrants-accounted-for-nearly-37-percent-of-federal-sentences-in-fy-2014/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/07/illegal-immigrants-accounted-for-nearly-37-percent-of-federal-sentences-in-fy-2014/)

What is further misleading about these numbers, which the writer above either doesn't mention, is that almost all citizens convicted of violent crimes would be sentenced to STATE prisons, not FEDERAL prisons. Looking at FEDERAL prison statistics is inherently deceptive.

At least one study found the exact opposite correlation between crime and immigrant status to be true of California STATE prisons:

"We find that the foreign-born, who make up about 35 percent of the adult population in California, constitute only about 17 percent of the adult prison population. Thus, immigrants are underrepresented in California prisons compared to their representation in the overall population. In fact, U.S.-born adult men are incarcerated at a rate over two-and-a-half times greater than that of foreign-born men." (http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/cacounts/CC_208KBCC.pdf (http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/cacounts/CC_208KBCC.pdf))

Most studies find immigrants commit less violent crimes than native-born Americans, as you would expect from people trying to keep a low profile:

http://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/does_immigration_increase_crime (http://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/does_immigration_increase_crime)

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798) (sorry, behind a pay wall)

I don't intend to enter into a back-and-forth, so if you find counter-evidence feel free to post it.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 02, 2016, 03:47:57 PM
If you don't vote for Trump, you are implicitly voting for this:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrYBUkrUAAEbTNw.jpg)

which she blames on concussion:  http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-concussion-fbi-report-495401

And not voting for Trump is implicitly supporting this as well:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-email-server-tor-227697 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-email-server-tor-227697)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on September 02, 2016, 03:53:26 PM
With us or against us mentality is strong here. :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 02, 2016, 08:24:58 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrYlIpbWIAEKr2e.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on September 02, 2016, 09:27:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrYlIpbWIAEKr2e.jpg)
Literally enforcing my previous statement.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 03, 2016, 02:41:06 AM
Quote
crazy hillbillys-wont even f**kin vote! I cant see poo' white trash


referring to economically disadvantged white ppl as hillbillys and white trash is probably racist too, if I was the type to be sensitive to that stuff


I AM poor white trash! HAHAHA! Yeah-I hate myself! HAHAHA! And-most of the f**kers who live around me-not the farmers-I'm taliking about the methead no tooth hillbillys,my freind-cuz they ARE STUPID- and Trump appeals to the basest,lowest denominater.And he's a billionaire! I dont get it-oh WAIT-yes I do-it's taht he feeds on redneck racism and insecurities! HE's a NAZI! (yup-Ulthar and Skull-I will and continue to say hes a nazi-just like you try to brainwash  folks that he's NOT. So-Yer right-I'm WRONG.We could b***h about this all day-guess what-I can pull a nazi-I started this thread-I can end-but I wont. Cuz I aint a f**kin nazi-your political (as "your" I mean You and Ultahr and Skull) have the foresight of teenagers beating up a nerd. Yer all mouth-no smarts-you quote from far right sites-I look facts from the real news-and real facts-yer tools. Oh-and when Trump loses-and he will-what ya gonna do-? Cry? Try finding another canidate for your barbaric views.
And Lester-you seem like a wanna be revolutionary who just is now clinging to Trump-gimme a break-you were a Commie-now yer a Trump man-get yer s**t straight-yer more messed up than a can of worms. I think you just follow s**t that seems radical-just so you can seem cool and an outsider-what a LOSER. I usta respect your independent stance-now yer a lemming. Dam-you flip more than a dolphin.
There ARE alot of dumb f**kers in this country-and all over the world-I.E. ISIS. To support such extremism is just dam ignorant.
We should rise above-not sink too Trump's level of stupidness. He's a -a I dunno what he is. But it sure aint good-unless you like drama-which I think thats what this is all about-DRAMA. You love destruction.lets get this straight-I dont support Hillary-I dont support Trump-they're all full of s**t.

http://youtu.be/iT1muWE8RzA (http://youtu.be/iT1muWE8RzA)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 03, 2016, 08:45:21 AM
Think about the possibility of Clinton BEING President:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrbTXsaXYAAgKAX.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 03, 2016, 10:44:50 AM
Yeah I should go back to being a commie. whenever that was  :lookingup:

Quote
I think you just follow s**t that seems radical-just so you can seem cool and an outsider-what a LOSER.


Trump is hardly "cool" and an outsider who's supported by slightly less than half the country isn't much of an outsider. If I was a Jill Stein fan that might be a more apt description. I don't even know what she does. supports green things: martians, leaves, salad forks

http://youtu.be/io2tiB6F2_A (http://youtu.be/io2tiB6F2_A)

at any rate, I want my vote to count and I can't vote for Hillary: a candidate who contains all the worst qualities of every bad candidate who ever lived. I hear she's now courting Henry Kissinger for an endorsement. we can go back to that lovely era


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 03, 2016, 12:51:19 PM
How the MSM, Hillary sycophants and Cuckservatives view any action Trump does:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrcTz5RWgAADgbB.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on September 03, 2016, 04:49:47 PM
How the MSM, Hillary sycophants and Cuckservatives view any action Trump does:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrcTz5RWgAADgbB.jpg)
lolwat? That's someone who wants to watch people get angry on the internet. Bet you if that was Hillary the same result would happen to her supporters.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 03, 2016, 04:52:10 PM
Oh, those racist alt-righters what with their caring about their children's future and all...

Nah, surely open borders and self-race-hating is definitely "better."   :lookingup:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrcnatuW8AAsFYf.jpg)

Trump resonates with so many folks for a reason; it's a RESPONSE to the anti-white racism that's been built into the Politically Correct system for decades.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on September 03, 2016, 04:57:49 PM
I was talking about the image with captioning.....


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 03, 2016, 05:01:25 PM
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14021552_420840944753260_2153697490217362406_n.jpg?oh=a6c1d227ab3474e42dd25dbace668f9d&oe=58450930)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 03, 2016, 07:40:12 PM
Keep 'em coming.  These are great.   :thumbup: :thumbup:

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14021552_420840944753260_2153697490217362406_n.jpg?oh=a6c1d227ab3474e42dd25dbace668f9d&oe=58450930)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 03, 2016, 07:42:36 PM
Well, the German people are sick of their government's open borders policy.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrasXh2WIAIyRyj.jpg)

The question remains - do we learn from Europe's mistakes?  Or will the braindead potential leaders here (aka "Hillary") continue to push to follow the path of internal destruction?

"Build the Wall!"


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 03, 2016, 07:46:18 PM
Rev will appreciate this one.

https://popehat.com/2016/09/01/huge-first-amendment-win-in-federal-criminal-threats-case/


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 03, 2016, 09:35:48 PM
When Trump wins in November, Trey Gowdy for AG or SCOTUS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlmAQXCYSXk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlmAQXCYSXk)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 04, 2016, 01:22:42 AM
Oh, those racist alt-righters what with their caring about their children's future and all...

Nah, surely open borders and self-race-hating is definitely "better."   :lookingup:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrcnatuW8AAsFYf.jpg)

Trump resonates with so many folks for a reason; it's a RESPONSE to the anti-white racism that's been built into the Politically Correct system for decades.

...aaand there comes the "anti white" s**t. Now the real you is showing. Your so insecure.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 04, 2016, 01:36:32 AM
This is your mistake-You think I'm pro Clinton-make NO mistake-I am NOT.She's a liar. And full of s**t-if you were pro Clinton I would argue about that too.But yer a crazy Trump  fanatic.What a lemming. What a tool. Yer so clever-you post ant-Clinton memes-and garbage from right wing websites-yeh-thats being objective-yer a child having a fit. Waaah! :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 04, 2016, 01:53:17 AM
If Bernie Saunders got the Dem nomination-and he should have-I do think money got him out of the picture-I would have voted for him.Clinton-shes backed by bigger money than Trump's golden matchstick castles. And thats why she will win-and I'm not at all happy with that-that's AWFUL. But the alternative is even worse! I might have voted for a dam Republican before I voted for Hillary! But-we got Trump! A spoiled brat millionaire who has closed on so many of it's assests and f**ked over so many of his employees-and now it seems he's bulls**tting his way in politics-this is a realty TV show nation-spoon feed the cult of personality.
See? I can throw crazy s**t up in the air with the best of ,em!  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 04, 2016, 10:28:36 AM
I don't tend to agree with RC and his tactics are boorish (when I can even understand them) but at least he's presenting HIS views not those of "the alt right" or something.

I don't want to see memes or read talking points. be your own person, not part of a weird horde


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on September 05, 2016, 01:22:42 AM
How the MSM, Hillary sycophants and Cuckservatives view any action Trump does:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrcTz5RWgAADgbB.jpg)
Gee, I didn't see that on the Kah-News...

Oh, those racist alt-righters what with their caring about their children's future and all...
Nah, surely open borders and self-race-hating is definitely "better."   :lookingup:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrcnatuW8AAsFYf.jpg)
Trump resonates with so many folks for a reason; it's a RESPONSE to the anti-white racism that's been built into the Politically Correct system for decades.

Oh.  Oh... my.  "Formerly white"?  Escape?  I thought the culture dropped my father's fears close to 40 years ago.  And I am lily white.  I am as white as white can be, though I've seen whiter people... people who were more BLUE.   :bouncegiggle:  Fear can be paralyzing. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 05, 2016, 10:00:49 AM
I thought this was kind of interesting

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-stock-market-has-already-picked-the-next-us-president/ar-AAie1a9?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-stock-market-has-already-picked-the-next-us-president/ar-AAie1a9?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 05, 2016, 09:39:23 PM
"The Media War No One Saw"

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/03/16/the-media-battle-no-one-saw/ (http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/03/16/the-media-battle-no-one-saw/)

A pertinent quote from a quote within the article:

"Software is eating politics and the elites have lost control."

The elites have lost control, and their downfall is amazing to watch.  They are going down kicking and screaming like petulant children.

Fun fact of the day:  Cernovich's latest periscope live "show" garnered over 50,000 views.  That's one guy just doing his thing.  Compare that to FOX News (#1 cable news show according to Pew) with an average hourly viewership of about 70,000.

One guy rivaling the most watched cable news behemoth; 'trust in media' surveys showing it's about 6%.  One lie and hoax after another exposed.

The 'old media' is gasping it's last breath, and with it centralized control of what people hear is dying with it.

Good riddance.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 05, 2016, 09:45:23 PM
I thought this was kind of interesting

[url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-stock-market-has-already-picked-the-next-us-president/ar-AAie1a9?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp[/url] ([url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-stock-market-has-already-picked-the-next-us-president/ar-AAie1a9?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp[/url])


The only reason "Wall Street" would support Hillary at this stage is if they own shares in cough drop companies.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/HackingHillary?src=hash (https://twitter.com/hashtag/HackingHillary?src=hash)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 05, 2016, 09:49:56 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrovORoW8AAf9CZ.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 05, 2016, 10:02:57 PM
this thread is actually turning me off the idea of voting for Trump maybe I'll see what Jill Stein is doing


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 06, 2016, 09:00:15 AM
Jill Stein has zero chance of winning.  Throw away your vote if you like; your choice.

Indy: this one's for you.

http://fredoneverything.org/hillary-trump-and-war-with-russia-the-goddamdest-stupid-idea-i-have-ever-heard-and-i-have-lived-in-washington/ (http://fredoneverything.org/hillary-trump-and-war-with-russia-the-goddamdest-stupid-idea-i-have-ever-heard-and-i-have-lived-in-washington/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 06, 2016, 05:28:39 PM
I'll read it only because I do sometimes like Fred.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 06, 2016, 08:53:49 PM
I just had a guy that I have known for nearly 40 years, who I have spent countless hours with, who called me his "best friend on earth" at one point, tell me that I should GO TO HELL if I don't support Trump - and he wasn't speaking figuratively.  He also advocated overthrowing the government if Trump loses.

Man, the Donald sure does have some charming followers!  :bluesad:



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on September 06, 2016, 09:26:53 PM
I just had a guy that I have known for nearly 40 years, who I have spent countless hours with, who called me his "best friend on earth" at one point, tell me that I should GO TO HELL if I don't support Trump - and he wasn't speaking figuratively.  He also advocated overthrowing the government if Trump loses.

Man, the Donald sure does have some charming followers!  :bluesad:


 

That sounds disappointing.  We all have our point of view and are entitled to it.  Being rude, or mean, are never warranted. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 07, 2016, 05:42:12 AM
I just had a guy that I have known for nearly 40 years, who I have spent countless hours with, who called me his "best friend on earth" at one point, tell me that I should GO TO HELL if I don't support Trump - and he wasn't speaking figuratively.  He also advocated overthrowing the government if Trump loses.

Man, the Donald sure does have some charming followers!  :bluesad:



That is sad-so sorry.  :bluesad:
I have a freind of mine-since high school-good guy!-He's REAL pro Trump-his Facebook page is loaded with Trump memes. When we get together-politics never even enter the conversation. He knows my crazy views on politics-ie.-I'm so far left I almost come full circle to far right at times-and we just never bring it up.
I think it's because he doesn't try to force his vote onto me-and I aint gonna vote anyway-so I don't have an agenda to push!
It's like religion-I'm an atheist-put I don't care what you believe in-just don't scream fire and brimstone at me and I won't tell you to p**s off!
Why some folks think they just have to force their beliefs down yer gullet with a fist is a good way to convince them into a way of thinking is doing just the opposite. It will only serve to polarize the folks your trying so badly to convince even more.

And-yes-Iv'e taking to having done just that myself on this thread as well-and I'm sorry.
So-I have nothing else to say on this topic-folks are gonna do what they want. I'm  just as crazy myself for taking the bait in the first place.
So-thats it for me!
November will end the tale!  :cheers:
And whoever wins-I'm sure my perpetually  p**sed ass will find something to b***h about with either winner!  :twirl:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 07, 2016, 06:42:46 AM
Ronnie - you are wild and crazy and sometimes obnoxious, but you aren't mean.
And, compared to some of the stuff I've had leveled at me on social media, this discussion has been downright tame!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 07, 2016, 09:27:34 AM
I just had a guy that I have known for nearly 40 years, who I have spent countless hours with, who called me his "best friend on earth" at one point, tell me that I should GO TO HELL if I don't support Trump - and he wasn't speaking figuratively.  He also advocated overthrowing the government if Trump loses.

Man, the Donald sure does have some charming followers!  :bluesad:



Lets review...

1... you know a guy for 40 years.
2... the guy called you best friend on earth
3... You won't support Trump - he tells you to GO TO HELL

My question is... have you been calling Trump a Nazi? His supporters/voters Rednecks? I hear this stuff from you so many times that it IS annoying.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 07, 2016, 10:31:53 AM


I don't intend to enter into a back-and-forth, so if you find counter-evidence feel free to post it.


Quote
Does Immigration Increase Crime?

Yet throughout the nation’s history, tension between immigrants and so-called “natives”—who are almost always descendants of immigrants themselves—has existed.

Sorry I cannot read beyond this. There is not one country in this world that has true natives, even the American Indians were not true natives from the Americas. I understand the point to make this like that we are all immigrants and therefore we have no right to complain.

Rev, the government came up with the 1/3 numbers in 2006.













Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 07, 2016, 12:29:17 PM
Why Trump's immigration stance is gaining a LOT of traction in the US:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/06/caterpillar-hires-h-1b-foreign-graduates-fires-300-american-professionals/ (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/06/caterpillar-hires-h-1b-foreign-graduates-fires-300-american-professionals/)

Not only are American companies outsourcing to offshore locations and not taking American workers with them, they are also now and have been for quite some time firing/laying off/not hiring American workers HERE in favor of foreign nationals here on H1B Visas.

One estimate,

https://www.rt.com/usa/156800-americans-economy-unemployed-work/ (https://www.rt.com/usa/156800-americans-economy-unemployed-work/)

shows 100,000,000 Americans out of work.  I'm sure each one of those is glad the liberal H1B program is giving their jobs to people living here that are not even citizens of this country.

Immigration is probably THE hot-button issue in this election cycle.  Looking at what is happening in Europe, Merkel losing favorability by the day, for example, more and more Americans are realizing the current US status quo is bad for the nation and bad for individuals.

Yet Hillary continues to beat the "we need MORE immigration, not less" pipe.  That, if nothing else, shows she has completely lost touch with reality.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 07, 2016, 12:33:50 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 07, 2016, 02:29:54 PM
Never Trumpers maybe you guy's can lean something...

http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/ (http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/)

Yes, Trump is worse than imperfect. So what? We can lament until we choke the lack of a great statesman to address the fundamental issues of our time—or, more importantly, to connect them. Since Pat Buchanan’s three failures, occasionally a candidate arose who saw one piece: Dick Gephardt on trade, Ron Paul on war, Tom Tancredo on immigration. Yet, among recent political figures—great statesmen, dangerous demagogues, and mewling gnats alike—only Trump-the-alleged-buffoon not merely saw all three and their essential connectivity, but was able to win on them. The alleged buffoon is thus more prudent—more practically wise—than all of our wise-and-good who so bitterly oppose him. This should embarrass them. That their failures instead embolden them is only further proof of their foolishness and hubris.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 07, 2016, 08:02:56 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on September 07, 2016, 11:51:39 PM
I just had a guy that I have known for nearly 40 years, who I have spent countless hours with, who called me his "best friend on earth" at one point, tell me that I should GO TO HELL if I don't support Trump - and he wasn't speaking figuratively.  He also advocated overthrowing the government if Trump loses.

Man, the Donald sure does have some charming followers!  :bluesad:



Lets review...

1... you know a guy for 40 years.
2... the guy called you best friend on earth
3... You won't support Trump - he tells you to GO TO HELL

My question is... have you been calling Trump a Nazi? His supporters/voters Rednecks? I hear this stuff from you so many times that it IS annoying.


Is it necessary to kick the guy while he's down?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 08, 2016, 06:22:38 AM

Is it necessary to kick the guy while he's down?


I don't see it as being kicked.  There are two sides to this and we hear Indy's side but I'm implying the other side based on Indy's behavior during this political cycle. Therefore I think Indy's attitude has something to do with this.


I love how Indy twist his story how he lost his friend because of Trump and his friend is a typical Trump Idiot.

I really do think Indy needs to read http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/ (http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/) Rush spent almost 3 hours talking about this article because it hits the nail on the head about the Never Trumpers.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on September 08, 2016, 11:55:59 PM

Is it necessary to kick the guy while he's down?


I don't see it as being kicked.  There are two sides to this and we hear Indy's side but I'm implying the other side based on Indy's behavior during this political cycle. Therefore I think Indy's attitude has something to do with this.


I love how Indy twist his story how he lost his friend because of Trump and his friend is a typical Trump Idiot.

I really do think Indy needs to read [url]http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/[/url] ([url]http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/[/url]) Rush spent almost 3 hours talking about this article because it hits the nail on the head about the Never Trumpers.


It could be as simple as "Hey are you voting for Trump?" "No." "Then got to Hell."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 09, 2016, 06:26:27 AM
It was more like "Any Republican who isn't going to vote for Trump is a candya$$ who deserves to rot in hell forever."

  Of course, this guy was also saying that if Trump lost, then it would be because the system was "rigged" and that there are thousands of sailors and marines prepared to march on Washington and take back the country, whatever that means.  His default setting is to argue for armed revolution and mass murder anytime something political is not going his way.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 09, 2016, 06:31:08 AM

It could be as simple as "Hey are you voting for Trump?" "No." "Then got to Hell."

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol


That was so funny that I'd almost pee my pants. Indy has called the Trump supporters Rednecks and even sided that Trump is a Nazi. I don't see how he couldn't be less expressive with a friend he knows for 40 years, yet he's willing to dump that trash on our door steps because and makes it like "Look what TRUMP is doing he's killing my 40 year old friendship! And my friend is an IDIOT FOR ATTACKING ME" Sorry, but this is BS.

Please note, If Hillary wins and the Never Trumpers gets no sympathy from me.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 09, 2016, 06:31:54 AM
It was more like "Any Republican who isn't going to vote for Trump is a candya$$ who deserves to rot in hell forever."

  Of course, this guy was also saying that if Trump lost, then it would be because the system was "rigged" and that there are thousands of sailors and marines prepared to march on Washington and take back the country, whatever that means.  His default setting is to argue for armed revolution and mass murder anytime something political is not going his way.


 :lookingup:

Sorry but I'm having doubts your being truthful... Your posting something that makes less sense because we are only getting part of a story from somebody that seemed to had openly expressed your own opinions and thoughts on this thread.


Why don't you learn something about yourself and read the blog I posted. Rush spend 3 hours talking about this and it explains everything about you guys. And I get it... You don't want Trump to win because you're afraid that he's going to make America Great and it's because he didn't run as a Conservative; therefore you believe the Conservative movement will be dead. Sorry but the Republicans/Democrats spent 30 freaking years on destroying the meaning of Conservatism.

http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/ (http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 09, 2016, 06:34:27 PM
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot:
That is not it.
I don't want Trump to win because I find him morally repugnant.  He is a BAD MAN and I DO NOT trust him.  That's the bottom line.  Disagree all you want, fine.  Vote for him, FINE!!  I will not be shamed or bullied into supporting a man I despise from the very core of my being.  IT'S NOT THE MESSAGE - it's the messenger. PERIOD.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on September 09, 2016, 07:50:43 PM

It could be as simple as "Hey are you voting for Trump?" "No." "Then got to Hell."

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol


That was so funny that I'd almost pee my pants. Indy has called the Trump supporters Rednecks and even sided that Trump is a Nazi. I don't see how he couldn't be less expressive with a friend he knows for 40 years, yet he's willing to dump that trash on our door steps because and makes it like "Look what TRUMP is doing he's killing my 40 year old friendship! And my friend is an IDIOT FOR ATTACKING ME" Sorry, but this is BS.

Please note, If Hillary wins and the Never Trumpers gets no sympathy from me.
D-do you want me to disregard what you say? Is that it? Because that sarcastic response is just...ugh. Do you want me to not take you seriously after this?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 10, 2016, 07:48:39 AM
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot:
That is not it.
I don't want Trump to win because I find him morally repugnant.  He is a BAD MAN and I DO NOT trust him.  That's the bottom line.  Disagree all you want, fine.  Vote for him, FINE!!  I will not be shamed or bullied into supporting a man I despise from the very core of my being.  IT'S NOT THE MESSAGE - it's the messenger. PERIOD.

Indy you said (many posts back) that you are not voting for Trump and if Trump looses you are going to laugh at everybody that supported him. I'm not Bulling you - I know you are not going to vote for Trump. But I want you to know that if Trump does loose this election it's because of people like you! Therefore I don't want to hear any s**t from you about Hillary. You own it!



D-do you want me to disregard what you say? Is that it? Because that sarcastic response is just...ugh. Do you want me to not take you seriously after this?

If you want to walk into a minefield at least know whats going on. Indy made this argument, especially when he called Trump supporters Rednecks. I have doubts that his friend for 40 years woke up one day and told Indy "GO TO HELL if you don't support Trump." I know Indy must had said something, like "Well I could look at myself in the mirror" or some other so called righteous crap he likes to spew on this thread.





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on September 10, 2016, 10:11:27 AM
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot:
That is not it.
I don't want Trump to win because I find him morally repugnant.  He is a BAD MAN and I DO NOT trust him.  That's the bottom line.  Disagree all you want, fine.  Vote for him, FINE!!  I will not be shamed or bullied into supporting a man I despise from the very core of my being.  IT'S NOT THE MESSAGE - it's the messenger. PERIOD.

Indy you said (many posts back) that you are not voting for Trump and if Trump looses you are going to laugh at everybody that supported him. I'm not Bulling you - I know you are not going to vote for Trump. But I want you to know that if Trump does loose this election it's because of people like you! Therefore I don't want to hear any s**t from you about Hillary. You own it!



D-do you want me to disregard what you say? Is that it? Because that sarcastic response is just...ugh. Do you want me to not take you seriously after this?

If you want to walk into a minefield at least know whats going on. Indy made this argument, especially when he called Trump supporters Rednecks. I have doubts that his friend for 40 years woke up one day and told Indy "GO TO HELL if you don't support Trump." I know Indy must had said something, like "Well I could look at myself in the mirror" or some other so called righteous crap he likes to spew on this thread.

Skull, I think you are confusing Indianasmith with RCMerchant...  :question:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 10, 2016, 04:17:32 PM
Compare this Trump turn-out

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr_9C-iXYAA6oq9.jpg)

with the pathetic Hillary appearances over the last few weeks.  She's had a few that didn't even top 100 people or thereabouts.

Now, square those images of popularity with the "poll data" that seems to mean so much to so many people.

Quote

I don't want Trump to win because I find him morally repugnant.  He is a BAD MAN and I DO NOT trust him.  That's the bottom line.


Once again, the reality we face is the choice between Trump and Clinton.  I've got to say...if you find him more "morally repugnant" or less worthy of your trust than Clinton...that's some mighty fine mental gymnastics for someone claiming to be on the "Right."

She's the Olympic Gold Medal Winner of EVERYTHING that is repulsive about American politics and politicians.  There's clear evidence of her corruption and moral bankruptcy...VERY...CLEAR...EVIDENCE.

For Trump, you just believe he's a 'bad man.' 

Trump could handily win this election in a landslide if the "Never Trump" crowd could get over their self-righteous indignation holding him to a FAR different standard than they hold Clinton to.

It's just quite frankly laughable how anyone can use the phrase "morally bankrupt" in a sentence and NOT include Clinton as the Gold Standard for 'badness' everyone else is measured against.

Or, did Donald Trump actively participate in actions/decisions that led to the deaths of American citizens in Benghazi too and I just have not heard about it?

Seriously.  Cuz, you know, Clinton DID.

All this finger wagging against Trump while ignoring Clinton's corruption and crimes is beyond intellectually dishonest; it's self-deception.  So, square THAT with the phrase "morally bankrupt."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 10, 2016, 05:46:53 PM
who shouldn't be the old president


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on September 10, 2016, 07:10:16 PM
Compare this Trump turn-out
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr_9C-iXYAA6oq9.jpg)
with the pathetic Hillary appearances over the last few weeks.  She's had a few that didn't even top 100 people or thereabouts.
Now, square those images of popularity with the "poll data" that seems to mean so much to so many people.
Quote
I don't want Trump to win because I find him morally repugnant.  He is a BAD MAN and I DO NOT trust him.  That's the bottom line.
Once again, the reality we face is the choice between Trump and Clinton.  I've got to say...if you find him more "morally repugnant" or less worthy of your trust than Clinton...that's some mighty fine mental gymnastics for someone claiming to be on the "Right."
She's the Olympic Gold Medal Winner of EVERYTHING that is repulsive about American politics and politicians.  There's clear evidence of her corruption and moral bankruptcy...VERY...CLEAR...EVIDENCE.
For Trump, you just believe he's a 'bad man.' 
Trump could handily win this election in a landslide if the "Never Trump" crowd could get over their self-righteous indignation holding him to a FAR different standard than they hold Clinton to.

It's just quite frankly laughable how anyone can use the phrase "morally bankrupt" in a sentence and NOT include Clinton as the Gold Standard for 'badness' everyone else is measured against.

Or, did Donald Trump actively participate in actions/decisions that led to the deaths of American citizens in Benghazi too and I just have not heard about it?
Seriously.  Cuz, you know, Clinton DID.

All this finger wagging against Trump while ignoring Clinton's corruption and crimes is beyond intellectually dishonest; it's self-deception.  So, square THAT with the phrase "morally bankrupt."
Of course, you know what Indy wrote.  You are a bit hog wild. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 10, 2016, 07:25:18 PM
the closer you get the the opioid epidemic the less stuff like political correctness and lack of decorum seem to matter


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on September 10, 2016, 07:46:37 PM
the closer you get the the opioid epidemic the less stuff like political correctness and lack of decorum seem to matter
Perhaps that's why the old adage: Don't talk religion or politics. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on September 10, 2016, 09:55:59 PM
There are 3 things that will end a conversation- Batman, Charging Rhinos, Inside the Sun. At least in Apples to Apples.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 11, 2016, 08:37:32 AM
the closer you get the the opioid epidemic the less stuff like political correctness and lack of decorum seem to matter
Perhaps that's why the old adage: Don't talk religion or politics.  

Here is one comment I found from Indy:

You're making an assumption - I can't STAND Beck.

Here's my logic - I neither like nor trust Trump.  He's grossly unqualified and purely IMO - mentally unstable and a borderline fascist. That being said, I'm from Texas, a state full of angry rednecks which he is going to carry hands down.  My support matters about as much as bug spit in a hurricane, so I can refuse to soil my ballot with his name and not change things down here one bit.

Then, if he loses to Hillary in the fall, I'm going to enjoy a huge I TOLD YOU SO to every single person who supported him.
If (God forbid) he wins, then I'll pray I was wrong about him while watching him prove me right.


5 million McCain voters didn't come out to vote for Romney, we were stuck with Obama for a second term. I'm not letting this bulls**t slide. People that have this thought in mind is equally responsible for the bulls**t we are stuck with. We should NEVER HAVE A 2RD TERM OBAMA! Anyway... If Hillary wins, I'm holding the Never Trumpers responsible.


And we get borderline fascist and  angry rednecks... Like I said I have doubts that his little argument with a friend for 40 years was only because his friend was being an a***ole.



Please note I ended up reading the first 40 pages to find this quote. I'm pleased with most of the stuff I said and surprised that Ulthar was against Trump at first. I sort of forgotten that. I know I was on the Trump train once Scott Walker dropped out. :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 11, 2016, 02:03:01 PM
Note to MSM apologists:  Propaganda ALWAYS shows itself to be the lie that it is.  Alt-Right and citizen journalists called everything but decent human beings over the past few weeks...yet once again, they are shown, proven correct.

#FaintingHillary

Objective truth cannot be hidden.  It can't be spun.  Facts matter.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 11, 2016, 02:10:20 PM

 surprised that Ulthar was against Trump at first. I sort of forgotten that.


Yup.  Tis true.

When "my guy" was out of the race, I had to face the reality that Trump was the nominee.  Whinging about him not being "ideal" was not going to solve a thing.

So, I began to ask myself..."Why DO Trump supporters support him?" And, I began a several-weeks-long campaign of research to try to uncover that.

And, I learned in the process that Trump was a FAR, FAR better candidate than I had realized.  Had I known that earlier, I STILL might have supported someone else initially, but I for sure would have been quicker to recognize Trump's merits in this race.

Yes; Trump has merits.  He has merits as a candidate, and he will have merit as President.

For one thing, he can stand on his two feet for longer than 5 minutes without assistance.  I know we've set the bar pretty low for President since Hillary's husband was in office and all of HIS fiasco's, but is "having a pulse" really all it takes?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on September 11, 2016, 04:09:20 PM
I really, really don't want timbo kaines for a veep.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on September 11, 2016, 04:33:34 PM
the closer you get the the opioid epidemic the less stuff like political correctness and lack of decorum seem to matter
Perhaps that's why the old adage: Don't talk religion or politics.  
Here is one comment I found from Indy:
You're making an assumption - I can't STAND Beck.
Here's my logic - I neither like nor trust Trump.  He's grossly unqualified and purely IMO - mentally unstable and a borderline fascist. That being said, I'm from Texas, a state full of angry rednecks which he is going to carry hands down.  My support matters about as much as bug spit in a hurricane, so I can refuse to soil my ballot with his name and not change things down here one bit.
Then, if he loses to Hillary in the fall, I'm going to enjoy a huge I TOLD YOU SO to every single person who supported him.
If (God forbid) he wins, then I'll pray I was wrong about him while watching him prove me right.
5 million McCain voters didn't come out to vote for Romney, we were stuck with Obama for a second term. I'm not letting this bulls**t slide. People that have this thought in mind is equally responsible for the bulls**t we are stuck with. We should NEVER HAVE A 2RD TERM OBAMA! Anyway... If Hillary wins, I'm holding the Never Trumpers responsible.

And we get borderline fascist and  angry rednecks... Like I said I have doubts that his little argument with a friend for 40 years was only because his friend was being an a***ole.

Please note I ended up reading the first 40 pages to find this quote. I'm pleased with most of the stuff I said and surprised that Ulthar was against Trump at first. I sort of forgotten that. I know I was on the Trump train once Scott Walker dropped out. :)
It took you 40 pages to find that?   Not much evidence, but if intended as such, uhm, quote what I wrote that you're responding to.   :teddyr: 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 11, 2016, 05:20:19 PM
Main Stream Media reporting on Hillary Clinton re: national security crimes as Secretary of State, Benghazi and now her health:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsGcbhuVUAApAaR.jpg)

Truth wins out.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 11, 2016, 05:48:46 PM
all hallows- my point was that trump's supporters want good jobs. the manufacturing jobs they had are now in China and have been replaced by s**tty service jobs or nothing thus the opioid epidemic. People with good jobs/ benefits can't relate.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 11, 2016, 07:59:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsGTrjRUIAA3lJ0.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on September 12, 2016, 01:22:57 AM
(https://i.imgflip.com/1adgny.jpg)

 :wink: :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 12, 2016, 06:38:24 AM

It took you 40 pages to find that?   Not much evidence, but if intended as such, uhm, quote what I wrote that you're responding to.   :teddyr: 

lol I was confused for a moment but I quoted the wrong replay you made...

I was responding to this:


Skull, I think you are confusing Indianasmith with RCMerchant...  :question:

lol I was not confusing the two... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on September 12, 2016, 10:47:37 AM
Killary is sick!  She cant hide it any more, even cnn had to report on it!  i want to point out that if you watch the video, you can see that when she is being helped into the van, her legs are having some kind of spasm ( like when you stretch your legs in the morning), this not fainting! When you faint or pass out, you go limp.  i know im not adding anything to this thread, but i just wanted to point that out.  I think that killarys VP is the one that will be the president.  They just need to get her in the house, then he can take it from there. Call it a conspiracy if you like, her being sick was also a conspiracy. Sorry, just doing some hillary bashing.  Ive been watching this thread,  hate to see you guys not getting along.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 12, 2016, 11:59:07 AM
(https://grrrgraphics.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/hillary_sick_ben_garrison.jpg)


Killary is sick!  She cant hide it any more, even cnn had to report on it!  i want to point out that if you watch the video, you can see that when she is being helped into the van, her legs are having some kind of spasm ( like when you stretch your legs in the morning), this not fainting! When you faint or pass out, you go limp.  i know im not adding anything to this thread, but i just wanted to point that out.  I think that killarys VP is the one that will be the president.  They just need to get her in the house, then he can take it from there. Call it a conspiracy if you like, her being sick was also a conspiracy. Sorry, just doing some hillary bashing.  Ive been watching this thread,  hate to see you guys not getting along.

If Hillary is really sick she should drop out.

 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on September 12, 2016, 12:34:01 PM
I don't want timbo kaines anywhere near the White House.
The only reason he became governor of the commonwealth, was because his republican opponent,Jerry Kilgore, was a PR buffoon, practically doing Kaine's work for him. Otherwise, you barely heard Kaine's name come up. Otherwise, he would've been unelectable.

As soon as he was sworn into office (I don't mean the first week, or even the first day), he   pulled a 180 on his promise NOT to raise taxes like a lot of political insiders said he would.

He's also famous for being one of only a couple of leaders that didn't ask for pork in exchange for obamacare, leaving a lot of Virginians very embarrassed.

They really oughta start making those gosh awful Dan Quayle jokes about THIS guy! :hatred:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 13, 2016, 02:41:17 AM
This whole thing makes me sick.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 13, 2016, 08:26:17 AM
(http://patriotupdate.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Deplorable-Me-600-CI.jpg)


This whole thing makes me sick.


Be-careful it seemed that everybody that had contact with Hillary is getting sick. Well everybody except babies and children.

(https://img1.steemit.com/0x0/https://s18.postimg.org/xmjs05ad5/clinton_pn.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 15, 2016, 12:28:47 PM
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14291668_1263664493652988_2842268041089682016_n.jpg?oh=76501a69e41bff4a408ae6392db1da49&oe=583B154B)


(http://i2.wp.com/eatcake.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/help.jpg?resize=452%2C140)

(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/hillary-health-16.jpg?w=640)

(https://i0.wp.com/i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab80/drmerle/1amr60_zpszvc91del.jpg?zoom=2)

(http://lucianne.com/images/lucianne/DailyPhoto/2016-09-14.jpg)


wow... RUSH just said "Gary Johnson looks like he's taking Hillary Votes" (That's Freaking awesome news!!!) So I guess that Gary Johnson is not going to get this magical 15% to show up on the debates... :)




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on September 16, 2016, 09:53:32 PM
At this point in time I think I'm voting for Bruce Wayne/Tim Kord.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 17, 2016, 08:11:37 AM
So, let's keep hearing about how Trump is the "worst candidate" and "can't possibly beat Hillary Clinton."

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/UOG1ZetadY-pEt6BE227RGePJGOqVU86rx-SIkka2QUBa-JcVceqTDtFDDDqW6zZnLpqH9qPysswzCT46EsIY9d8gGnHqMoq2t5bewAtlsmJHZn4-bknsJ7qMPjCaxTIkPcVE3R2zlmT1ETebHqgitd9Vklh=s0-d)

He has run a masterful campaign and his message resonates with Americans.  Enthusiasm for Trump is up and way, way, way down for Clinton.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/09/trump-le-revolutionnaire.html (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/09/trump-le-revolutionnaire.html)

MSM control of the flow of information is dead.  And good riddance.  Jerks have lied to and manipulated US citizens long enough.

So, do we still believe the LIES told by the MSM that Clinton is the "'people's choice?"  The DNC would have been far better off listening to their own voters and fielding Sanders as their candidate.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 17, 2016, 08:37:02 PM
Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign devotes serious attention to combating deluded perceptions about the ideology of a cartoon frog.  You can't make this stuff up.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsmG2BfVUAA003X.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on September 17, 2016, 09:57:08 PM
Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign devotes serious attention to combating deluded perceptions about the ideology of a cartoon frog.  You can't make this stuff up.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsmG2BfVUAA003X.jpg)
I take it you haven't seen some of the smug frog images from 4Chan?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 17, 2016, 09:57:43 PM
I understand this song-I dont get politics-who care!
Get down,hep cats!

http://youtu.be/suafkk2vWNI (http://youtu.be/suafkk2vWNI)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 17, 2016, 10:38:00 PM
Saw this tweeted tonight:

"
*Pipe bomb goes off in NJ
*Explosion in #Chelsea
*2nd device found a few blocks from explosion
*MSM 'it could be construction materials'

"

(And, for good measure, don't forget the knife attack in MN).

Yep.  That about sums up the MSM.  Idiots and liars.

NY Mayor has stated "intentional act."  Aka, terrorism.  But, he won't call it that, of course; too PC.  Any bets on which 'terror group' gets the nod on this one?

Which candidate for President proposes to open the doors further to this stuff... re gun control, open borders, weak-do-nothing laws, etc?

Vote wisely in November.  This is not a game.  War has come home to the US.

Oh, and as an aside, I seem to remember saying it would...was told at the time that we were NOT at war.  Ask the French, the Germans, the Swedes, the Dutch...and many in the US.  Western Civilization is at war, whether some want to admit it or not.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 18, 2016, 12:27:22 AM
gee-all so scary.

http://youtu.be/LBdeCxJmcAo (http://youtu.be/LBdeCxJmcAo)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 18, 2016, 07:25:26 AM

I take it you haven't seen some of the smug frog images from 4Chan?


Well aware of both the history and the current popularity of Pepe.

Comment was in regard to the official and monstrously idiotic statement on Hillary's own campaign web site "linking" Pepe to "White Supremacists" and in turn TRYING to link such symbolism to Trump.

Total.  Fail.

Back in December (I think it was...about that time), two dudes trolled a "reporter" and planted that seed.  They set her up to see if she'd run with the story and the quotes they gave her.  The essence of that troll was the Pepe was a new 'secret Swastika' for White Supremacists online.

Some of what they said was deliberately outlandish.  Of course, said "genius" of the news "profession," ran her story without one single bit of vetting.  She WANTED to believe that connection.  She fell into the trap of her own confirmation bias.

Fast forward a few months.  Hillary gives a speech on alt-right (another big 'fail') and someone on her campaign staff had noticed (a) the popularity of Pepe/Kek memes and (b) that article about "Pepe = Swastika."

Bingo.  That's all they needed.  Up goes a 'helpful' web page on HRC's site telling us proles to watch out for symbols of hate like Teh Eviiiil Pepe.

Pure idiocy.  Smartest woman in America?  Shoot; I've seen developmentally challenged individuals that could run a better campaign than her and her staff.

No vetting.  No understanding of the glee behind the Pepe memes all over the Internet and the world.  No connection with "the people" at all.  Nope.  Instead, it's knee-jerk sophistry and outright lies.

And, she's running for President.  If she is that easily 'trolled' by two dudes not even targeting HER 6 months removed and on something SO EASY to check...how on God's Earth will she be able to deal with political enemies at home and the leaders of hostile foreign nations?

HRC is loser.  Trump is a winner.  That's one of the real reasons so many people hate him.  He's a winner.  He gets stuff done, and when he DOES fail, he shakes it off and runs to the next thing.  Like winners do.

So, who do you want to be President?

A whining loser that can't even tell a cartoon frog on the Internet is a JOKE, or

A winner that stands strong, can take a joke, can give one back.

Vote wisely.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 18, 2016, 08:07:55 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cso1OIaXYAAAmiv.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 19, 2016, 08:59:51 AM
wow 3 terror attacks on American soil over the weekend...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 19, 2016, 10:20:39 AM

wow 3 terror attacks on American soil over the weekend...


Let's just stop calling it 'terrorism.'

The "immigrants" are an invasion army.  If we can't see that on display in Europe, and now on our own soil, we don't deserve to be a nation.  Just give it to them.

We really need to stop letting the Leftist Proggies redefine terms and set the tone via newspeak.  The United States, and Western Civilization as as whole, is at war.  It ain't a war like WWII or even Vietnam.

This is what Fourth Generation Warfare looks like, folks.  And the other side is playing to win.  They don't want to be talked to and convinced of the error of their ways.  They want to annihilate us.

I'll close with another quote from twitter:

"Afghan refugee attacks NY and NJ.
Somalian refugee attacks MN.
Obama wans 100K Syrian refugees.
Hillary wants 550K."


Implied: Trump is the candidate talking about doing something about "immigration."

Vote Wisely.  The time of this being a game for laughs and giggles and talking around the water cooler are over.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 19, 2016, 11:01:22 AM

Let's just stop calling it 'terrorism.'

When we say 9/11 was an act of war, there isn't enough people informed (or willing to believe) and therefore it blows from one ear and out the other.

I think call it terror or terrorism sort of sticks in that little brain.


Quote
The "immigrants" are an invasion army.  If we can't see that on display in Europe, and now on our own soil, we don't deserve to be a nation.  Just give it to them.


lol... The problem is that too many people want to believe that Islam is a Religion of Peace... I think they should read 1984 and find out what is the "Ministry of Love" (I swear when I hear of stuff like C.A.R.E. and Planned Parenthood - I'm thinking about 1984.)


Quote
We really need to stop letting the Leftist Proggies redefine terms and set the tone via newspeak.  The United States, and Western Civilization as as whole, is at war.  It ain't a war like WWII or even Vietnam.

This is a war but it's not new, terrorism has been around for centuries, but it only became an effective as a war tool on 9/11...



I do think it's awesome that Trump called it out on Saturday, the media attacked him on Sunday and now the media is looking foolish... :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 19, 2016, 11:08:32 AM

Quote
The "immigrants" are an invasion army.  If we can't see that on display in Europe, and now on our own soil, we don't deserve to be a nation.  Just give it to them.



lol... The problem is that too many people want to believe that Islam is a Religion of Peace... I think they should read 1984 and find out what is the "Ministry of Love" (I swear when I hear of stuff like C.A.R.E. and Planned Parenthood - I'm thinking about 1984.)



Orwell was quite prophetic.  Lovecraft wrote about it, too.

http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/s.aspx (http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/s.aspx)

Excellent little story.


Quote

I do think it's awesome that Trump called it out on Saturday, the media attacked him on Sunday and now the media is looking foolish... :)



The media looking foolish is a habit for them these days.

What other industry (beside academia) can be be so wrong so often and still run around acting like they know more than everyone else?

The media industry in this country is a laughingstock.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 19, 2016, 12:36:52 PM
"Pneumonia afflicted woman at war with cartoon frog praises diversity a day after multiple terrorist attacks. News at 11."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Csu3ufQVUAAqVdf.jpg)

How about it, Never Trumpers and It-Don't-Matter-They-Are-All-The-Samers?  Ya'll feeling safer about a Hillary Presidency these days?

Just curious.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 19, 2016, 08:54:57 PM
Wow.

Even Huff-Poo is running stories now about Hillary's campaign being dead and her losing.

What a Charlie Foxtrot that entire campaign has been.  Totally clueless finish to a completely irresponsible political career.

Crazy times.

And, prison for her is now officially back on the table with the Reddit leaks.  As the evidence mounts and continues to be made public, it will be harder and harder for the FBI and DoJ to cover for her and lie to the People. 

Good grief what a mess.  She's a product of the typical leftist lies...thinking claiming something makes it true.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 21, 2016, 09:09:45 AM
Something to think about...

According to the polls:

90% of the Americans believe in God.

25% of the Americans believe in UFO's.

15% of the Americans believe in Big Foot.

11% of the Americans believe that Hillary didn't do anything wrong with her Secret Email Server.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 21, 2016, 04:52:11 PM
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14354919_303108806716341_3410408394821430974_n.jpg?oh=683629e4dd1d2903679ae90ac545613c&oe=5879514C)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 21, 2016, 05:09:15 PM
A picture is worth 1000 words, Enthusiasm Gap version:

Hillary rally this week, less than 200 people (one person there estimated ~125 in attendance):

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs6KvToUIAAf5B2.jpg)

Trump rally in Ft. Meyers, FL on Monday:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Csvj4bbXEAA_Kcw.jpg)

The truly funny (in a sad way) is the MSM still trying to act like Hillary actually HAS support. She does, only if they are talking about the stool she always has on stage near her.

And just for good measure, let's hear about those polls showing "It is impossible for Trump to win."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 21, 2016, 05:40:49 PM

The truly funny (in a sad way) is the MSM still trying to act like Hillary actually HAS support. She does, only if they are talking about the stool she always has on stage near her.

And just for good measure, let's hear about those polls showing "It is impossible for Trump to win."

As much as I want to believe that Trump has it in the bag... he's still battling Santa Clause (the Democratic Party), Obama, the Media, the Establishment Republicans and those illegal votes [or why block voter ID's]...


I do think it's awesome that Trump is going to the black churches and telling the black population the truth (they keep voting for the idiots into office that makes life difficult for them so they can keep voting for the same idiots in office - ok I'm paraphrasing). I really, really wished Republicans did this 50 freaking years ago - even Reagan didn't do that...

I remember Obama talking up his reasoning on ending sanctions in Cuba. Something like, 'if it's not working for 50 years then we should try something different...' At the time, I was thinking - this would be nice to tell the Black Community... And BINGO Trump did!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 22, 2016, 08:05:44 AM
I've been saying for quite a while that distilled down to it's basic elements, the fundamental issue in this election is "globalism vs nationalism."

Another way to ask that question: "Is the US a sovereign nation?"

As we contemplate who should get our vote, we should consider two very easily verifiable facts:

(1) President Obama has recently said Hillary Clinton will continue his legacy.

(2) President Obama has said, to the UN and broadcast in the US, that he believes America should be willing to give up security and freedoms.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/20/obama-un-giving-freedom-enhances-security/ (http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/20/obama-un-giving-freedom-enhances-security/)

Given Clinton's track record, again easily verifiable, with handling protecting Americans under her charge and keeping secret information out of the hands of our enemies, that's simply not a "legacy" the nation can afford.

Vote wisely.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 22, 2016, 10:03:35 AM
(http://therealside.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/HillaryClinton-Health-Attrib-AFBranco-ComicallyIncorrect-0822016.jpg)

Odd that she needs to take a few days off so she can get the strength to debate with Trump... Do we need somebody that sick? All seriously Hillary should drop out and give it to Bernie Sanders... I would love to see a Trump vs Sanders debate.

A few things Trump needs to bring to the debate.

1 surgical masks
1 pair of rubber gloves

1 smelling salt (if Hillary passes out)
1 pocket fan (if Hillary passes out)
1 bottle of water (if Hillary passes out)
Medical staff (if Hillary passes out - hay, I don't see her people helping her)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 22, 2016, 10:36:04 AM
I don't remember her campaign/ delivery being this crappy in 08

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EyoKB3ZHSc#)

a few comments

"THAT f**kING VOICE HOLY s**t. The tone, the cadence, the screeching. This woman must not become president."

 "One time my Grandma yelled at me for playing music too loud. This is exactly what it sounded like."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 22, 2016, 01:12:34 PM

I don't remember her campaign/ delivery being this crappy in 08


Holy Frijoles, that was bad.

Is she REALLY going after "Right to Work," now?  What insane numbskull came up with THAT as a campaign point?

Also, I find it utterly fascinating that she is drawing attention to her present performance in the polls.  Does she not have ONE single PR 'expert' on her staff reviewing the speech writing?

But yeah...her and Trump are the same.  Riiiiiiight.   :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 22, 2016, 05:26:32 PM
Nice little example of why looking at "polls" is a fools game:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/media-lies-nbc-wsj-poll-hillary-6-points-weighted-14-democrat-voters/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/media-lies-nbc-wsj-poll-hillary-6-points-weighted-14-democrat-voters/)

For those that have actually taken a math class, consider the conclusion that should be drawn from that poll result given the Obama:Romney in the poll participants was 47%:33% yet Clinton only on top by 6%.

My "Statistical Analysis Sense" is tingling.  Though NBC tried to tout this as pro-Clinton, it really isn't all that good.  She's lost a LOT of Obama supporters and does not outperform Trump by even half the margin of participant bias.

Keep trying, MSM.  Or, as I like to tell my students..."math is a weapon."  Knowing some math keeps them from getting away with sh1t like this.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 22, 2016, 05:53:48 PM
I don't remember her campaign/ delivery being this crappy in 08

! No longer available ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EyoKB3ZHSc#[/url])

a few comments

"THAT f**kING VOICE HOLY s**t. The tone, the cadence, the screeching. This woman must not become president."

 "One time my Grandma yelled at me for playing music too loud. This is exactly what it sounded like."



lol I was able to check this video out at home - OMG... it's like somebody superimposed Hillary's head on a poorly made cgi background. She don't look good and her trying to act like a slow motion Christopher Walken is bad at so many levels... why's she's not at 50%... Hmmm lets count the reasons.

1... Secret Email Server
2... The Clinton Global Initiation foundation that keeps 94% of their donations
3... Open Borders (Should be Open Borders Stupid)
4... Cannot tell the Truth...
5... Because she looks like a zombie... She shouldn't be running for President - she should be in a Hospital.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on September 22, 2016, 06:05:48 PM

5... Because she looks like a zombie... She shouldn't be running for President - she should be in a Hospital.



I agree.  And some of her most vocal and active critics online are starting to express serious sympathy toward her and her health...not in a mocking way, but in a "concern for a sick older lady" way.  You know, human concern that the idiots on the Left always try to claim "evil right wingers" don't have.

Meanwhile, completely ignoring her health, her own campaign continues to attempt to "influence the narrative" (a direct quote from a campaign staff member) in regard to the upcoming debate.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clinton-win-debate-campaign-asks-online-support-early/story?id=42292008 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clinton-win-debate-campaign-asks-online-support-early/story?id=42292008)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 22, 2016, 06:18:37 PM
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14448954_10207321632178324_2930081396159656556_n.jpg?oh=74ff335ae9c1fb0e87dbf58231ea75a0&oe=58747439)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 23, 2016, 08:06:47 AM
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14448954_10207321632178324_2930081396159656556_n.jpg?oh=74ff335ae9c1fb0e87dbf58231ea75a0&oe=58747439)


I don't know about president and vice... but I would love to see them both in a movie together :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 23, 2016, 02:42:22 PM
Seem that Ted Cruz is going to hitch a ride on the Trump Train... I think Cruz is looking for re-election...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on September 23, 2016, 03:06:16 PM
I laughed 'til I choked: 

(http://i.redd.it/hpnjw6of9a6x.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 24, 2016, 01:27:30 AM
They're even funnier if you read them in a Scottish accent and then say:
"Me engines can't take no more of this, Captain!!!"  :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 24, 2016, 07:54:38 AM
This thread has turned into 2 people jerking each other off.
Fascinating,Captain.
Ulthar-are you and Skull gonna get married? So sweet! Can I be the brides maid? Pleeease?



I've been trying NOT TO BE F'N RUDE... BUT IF YOU WANT TO ME TO BE F'N RUDE...

I CAN BE VERY, VERY RUDE

I'm not one of those cross kissing republicans that had set my standards so damn high that Jesus Christ couldn't make the qualified list - so I have no problem to take this to the next level.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on September 24, 2016, 08:30:39 AM
This thread has turned into 2 people jerking each other off.
Fascinating,Captain.
Ulthar-are you and Skull gonna get married? So sweet! Can I be the brides maid? Pleeease?



I've been trying NOT TO BE F'N RUDE... BUT IF YOU WANT TO ME TO BE F'N RUDE...

I CAN BE VERY, VERY RUDE

I'm not one of those cross kissing republicans that had set my standards so damn high that Jesus Christ couldn't make the qualified list - so I have no problem to take this to the next level.

And people wonder why Andrew did not allow political discussions on his forum...  :lookingup: Lots of forums ban off-topic political discussions because they almost inevitably turn into flame wars.

Badmovies.org Forum Rules

Rule #1:  Common Courtesy
Please be polite when posting.  Discussing movies is naturally going to lead to conversations with other people who do not agree with your opinion of a film.  One of the great things about that is that neither opinion is wrong, the film simply hit the right chord for one of you and failed to entertain the other.  You do not have to agree with everyone and a good debate is definitely an asset to the community.  Flame wars are useless, so rude and insulting behavior is not tolerated.

I have an important addition to this.  If one of the moderators (this includes me, Andrew) makes a decision that you disagree with, constructive debate about the issue is welcome.  We all make mistakes or take action without having the best information or forethought, so the forum benefits when everyone contributes to find the best solution to problems.

You guys argued that you had thick skins and this thread should be minimally moderated. So please don't push it. We're all basically friends, and if you find you just can't get along with another poster, learn to ignore them.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 24, 2016, 10:54:17 AM
Quote
This thread has turned into 2 people jerking each other off.
Fascinating,Captain.

its like 2 vaccum cleaner salesman who ring your doorbell then talk to each other thinking you'll want to join in a conversation about vaccums

also Did anyone ever see the afterschool special "The Wave"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK2zNkcrBj8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK2zNkcrBj8)



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 24, 2016, 11:09:55 AM
Skull-I apoligize for my rude comment. I should focus my comments on the canidates,not the folks posting.
That being said-don't take what I say too seriously! I'm just and old drunk. Relax,man. I couldn't be a bridesmaid anyway! I'm sure the dress would be way too small.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 24, 2016, 12:38:27 PM
Skull-I apoligize for my rude comment. I should focus my comments on the canidates,not the folks posting.
That being said-don't take what I say too seriously! I'm just and old drunk. Relax,man. I couldn't be a bridesmaid anyway! I'm sure the dress would be way too small.

This tread has been a one sided insult train. I've been called an IDIOT, A REDNECK. A NAZI LOVER... AND NOW THIS!!!!





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 24, 2016, 01:33:43 PM
I don't hate anybody here.  I consider you all my friends.  Two of you have taken a position I strongly disagree with, but that is your right.  If you want to understand why I still maintain my "Never Trump" position, I did find an editorial this week that sums it up more eloquently than I have been able to.  Read it if you like, or just ignore.  No political debate is worth a friendship.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/09/23/heres-what-i-decided-after-several-pastors-begged-me-to-reconsider-my-nevertrump-stance/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/09/23/heres-what-i-decided-after-several-pastors-begged-me-to-reconsider-my-nevertrump-stance/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on September 24, 2016, 03:23:57 PM
Skull-I apoligize for my rude comment. I should focus my comments on the canidates,not the folks posting.
That being said-don't take what I say too seriously! I'm just and old drunk. Relax,man. I couldn't be a bridesmaid anyway! I'm sure the dress would be way too small.

This tread has been a one sided insult train. I've been called an IDIOT, A REDNECK. A NAZI LOVER... AND NOW THIS!!!!

And now... what?  He apologized to you - and with humor.  He also confessed perhaps he was inebriated.  Ron Merchant is a great guy. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 24, 2016, 06:23:47 PM
it's crazy to think the last election was Obama vs Mitt Romney. That seems like paradise compared to this and I didn't even vote for either of them


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 24, 2016, 08:16:46 PM
What utterly baffles me is those who insist that Trump "tells it like it is" when he lies more often than any other candidate in this cycle and perhaps in all of history.  To wit:

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jeb-bush-lie-florida-casino-gambling-502144 (http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jeb-bush-lie-florida-casino-gambling-502144)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on September 24, 2016, 08:41:20 PM
I am unsurprised by Populism, it's why unattractive comparisons are made. 
I am surprised that many people have high hopes for their candidate who seems manipulative of them. 
Perhaps they're right.   
:smile: :question:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: javakoala on September 24, 2016, 09:13:52 PM
Who the heck am I supposed to vote for when there is no lesser evil this election?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 24, 2016, 10:12:24 PM
I'm sorry too ulthar and skull. it's just gentle ribbing


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 24, 2016, 10:22:33 PM
Who the heck am I supposed to vote for when there is no lesser evil this election?

CTHULHU 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: javakoala on September 25, 2016, 08:26:44 AM
Who the heck am I supposed to vote for when there is no lesser evil this election?

CTHULHU 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Truly the lesser evil. Thanks, Indy!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on September 25, 2016, 10:31:53 AM
The debates are coming! The debates are coming! Im looking forward to this. Ive wanted to see clinton and trump next to each other since this race started, its not a cage match but it will have to do. First of all, i want to see if hillary can stand in one place for 90 minutes without having a coughing fit, passing out or having some kind wierd medical emergency. It may be unpresidential, but i would love to see trump bring up all of the scandals and dirt on live television to clintons face. It should be entertaining.

Skull, you are deplorable.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 25, 2016, 07:02:03 PM
Tell me again how truthful Trump is . . .

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/scope-of-trumps-lies-are-unprecedented-for-a-modern-presidential-candidate/ar-BBwBX1r?li=BBnbcA1&OCID=HPDHP (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/scope-of-trumps-lies-are-unprecedented-for-a-modern-presidential-candidate/ar-BBwBX1r?li=BBnbcA1&OCID=HPDHP)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 25, 2016, 07:30:38 PM
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Now, after years of spreading the lie that President Barack Obama was born in Africa, Trump says Hillary Clinton did it first


that is actually true as it turns out http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/79322/clarifying-clinton-attacks-obama/ (http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/79322/clarifying-clinton-attacks-obama/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 28, 2016, 02:57:52 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on September 28, 2016, 07:03:21 PM
Hillary did good I was surprised. Honestly I'm a bit relieved they came across as more or less conventional candidates. He's maybe a little too outside, she's definitely a little too inside but whatever. It's slightly less of a s**tshow now I've decided


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 28, 2016, 10:42:50 PM
Trump is perhaps the most egotistical human being I've ever seen in my life.  Hillary was rather smug and condescending. I'll concede her the edge in the debate, but I don't think the whole thing moved the dial that much, to be honest.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 28, 2016, 11:28:17 PM
Well-I don't think Trump will win. If he gets the popular vote really doesn't matter. The Republicans don't even like Trump-and THIS is why he will not win-

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.html (http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on September 28, 2016, 11:43:57 PM
Nearly every time, the popular vote winner also wins the Electoral College - but it all depends on how the votes fall state by state.  All but a few states do "winner take all" where the statewide winner of the popular vote gets all of that state's electoral votes.  But the number of electoral votes per state is based on how many Senators and representatives they have - and the number of representatives is based on population!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 29, 2016, 01:18:24 AM
Yeah-but this election is fixed-remember?  :wink:
Actually-I think Trump may win.  :bluesad: And if Hillary wins I'll still have the sad blue face.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on September 29, 2016, 11:48:42 AM
Yeah-but this election is fixed-remember?  :wink:
Actually-I think Trump may win.  :bluesad: And if Hillary wins I'll still have the sad blue face.  :bluesad:
We need to spread the word for people who hate both to vote for Batman. :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on September 29, 2016, 05:13:27 PM
Trump is perhaps the most egotistical human being I've ever seen in my life.  Hillary was rather smug and condescending. I'll concede her the edge in the debate, but I don't think the whole thing moved the dial that much, to be honest.

Just remember that whatever you think Trump could be he still didn't funnel top secret emails to a secret server and destroyed evidence when presented a court order. Hillary should be in jail for treason. Find one damn thing that Trump did that's equal to that.

It's also s**tty that we get information that Obama knew that Hillary had a secret server and that the FBI decided not to charge Hillary - because it would be discovered that Obama also knew and he would be face impeachment. Obama and Hillary are the most corrupt people in the white house... Once again, how does that equal to Trump - it don't.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: JaseSF on September 29, 2016, 07:14:25 PM
Oh like I get angry reactions - crazy yeah.

(Yeah a change is needed not more of the same but indeed change can sometimes be worse that's the scary prospect)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 30, 2016, 06:19:10 PM
If It makes ya happy,Skull-I do think it is fixed to make Hillary win-because she is establishment-like I have said-I don't like either. But Trump is scary-I'm with Indiana-I'm not voting. There is truth to this--oddly enough a lyric from a 70's YES song-"If you choose not to choose,you have made a choice."
This has been the most deplorable election in American history. I would pick f**kin' George W. Bush-who I called-in the past-"the worst President in American history"over either of these candidates. :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on September 30, 2016, 06:23:38 PM
The only reason I jumped on Trump and you and Ulthar on this forum-is because I din't see anyone backing Hillary-If they backed her-I would've jumped on them too. BUT-no one has. They're against Trump-but! Not for anything-like me. I ain't seem ANYONE here post a GO HILLARY rant. I don't. I won't. Bernie Sanders wes the last call for me.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on September 30, 2016, 07:56:39 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 01, 2016, 12:12:55 AM
I think I scared Ulthar and Skull away. :bluesad:
Thing is-if Trump can insult folks-why cant I? I'm just telling like it is,ya know? Aint that what they like?I dont feel like I did anything bad. Trump can insult folks all year long-but I can't. Hmm. I apopligized-Trump just says-"I never said that." No" No" No' "I never said that". When it is ON VIDEO that he DID say what he claims NOT to have said. Cripes! the debates were a joke-As much as I dislike Hillary-she Trumped Trump. All he could do was sniffle and deny facts.

I admit when I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 01, 2016, 09:40:56 AM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: javakoala on October 01, 2016, 12:19:01 PM
Heaven help us all, because none of the candidates will.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 01, 2016, 08:24:56 PM
Where are you guys now? Ulthar? Skull? Did i insult you? Like Trump has been insulting folks this year? You can dish it out-you cant take it.Trump can insult folks and "tell it like it is" but I am not allowed. BULLs**t.
I'll bet you dollars to donuts Skull and Ulthar are talking and saying_"lets ignore him" Thats why you guys aint confronting me. Haha. You must think I'm stupid.
See ya later girls-! I'm done here. Yer covers are blown.Good trick. See Ya!  :twirl:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 02, 2016, 09:13:16 AM
If It makes ya happy,Skull-I do think it is fixed to make Hillary win-because she is establishment-like I have said-I don't like either. But Trump is scary-I'm with Indiana-I'm not voting. There is truth to this--oddly enough a lyric from a 70's YES song-"If you choose not to choose,you have made a choice."

Originally, I thought Trump was an evil parody because he was saying stuff that you don't hear other politicians say, but you wish they did. It was as if Trump was watching Brewster's Millions (1985) and/or Head of State (2003) and decided to run for president.

I started to take Trump seriously after the murder of Kathryn "Kate" Steinle. To refresh your memory she was murder by an Illegal Alien whom was supposed to be sent back (to mexico) and instead the government put him into a sanctuary city. In a sick sense her death could had been prevented.


I do understand a lot of Never Trumpers thought that at first (he's out to make it easy for Hillary) but we are way-way pasted this point. And there are things that Trump had done from the primary to this first debate that should had indicated that Trump was no friend of Hillary. He's out to crush her - and believe it or not - a lot of voters in the 1990's (that saw the Clintons get away from criminal actions really, really want somebody to crush them.)

What annoys me is that I'm not sure if you guys are stuck on CNN talking points or are you guys really, really thinking about the situation.


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This has been the most deplorable election in American history. I would pick f**kin' George W. Bush-who I called-in the past-"the worst President in American history"over either of these candidates. :bluesad:

Yes and no. It is deplorable because the democrat party pushed Hillary. I'm not sure why? All I could think is that she's blackmailing some of these top members or bribing them with the money the Clinton's received.

The people that are voting for Trump are not voting for Trump because he's a famous reality TV star... They are voting for Trump because he seemed to be the only person that's will speak for the people. If the republican party did what they promised back in 2010 and 2014 (work against Obama, repeal Healthcare and stop this Amnesty talk) we wouldn't be dealing with Trump. Trump is the creation of the failed Republican party. (I have said this for months and months and months)

The only reason I jumped on Trump and you and Ulthar on this forum-is because I din't see anyone backing Hillary-If they backed her-I would've jumped on them too. BUT-no one has. They're against Trump-but! Not for anything-like me. I ain't seem ANYONE here post a GO HILLARY rant. I don't. I won't. Bernie Sanders wes the last call for me.

I know you want to be the wind going against the grass - but it makes no sense. I had not see anybody on this tread supporting Hillary. We did see a few Sanders supporter and ulthar and myself did asked them would they vote for Hillary, knowing that the democrats and Hillary screwed Sanders.

I think I scared Ulthar and Skull away. :bluesad:
Thing is-if Trump can insult folks-why cant I? I'm just telling like it is,ya know? Aint that what they like?I dont feel like I did anything bad. Trump can insult folks all year long-but I can't. Hmm. I apopligized-Trump just says-"I never said that." No" No" No' "I never said that". When it is ON VIDEO that he DID say what he claims NOT to have said. Cripes! the debates were a joke-As much as I dislike Hillary-she Trumped Trump. All he could do was sniffle and deny facts.

I admit when I'm wrong.

You didn't scare me off. If your going to post like an a***ole - I don't want to talk to you. If your going to post like a respectful person - I'll be happy to talk.

What Trump is doing is something that was never done before. He is battling Santa Claus. There are two ways to beat Santa. 1 (and the most common way) is give away bigger and better toys. 2 (and what Trump is doing) becoming cooler than Santa.

He's doing everything that most republicans wanted to see. He's being in their face and not backing down. Yes, Trump has big balls for what he done during the primary - but he's battling SANTA. What were the other Republicans doing - trying to prove they too can be SANTA. Trump was busy throwing cream pies in there faces.


Is Trump suitable to become president - yes...

Hell, you are also suitable to become president... The only person that should not be president is Hillary because she was caught trafficking Top Secret Documents.



Where are you guys now? Ulthar? Skull? Did i insult you? Like Trump has been insulting folks this year? You can dish it out-you cant take it.Trump can insult folks and "tell it like it is" but I am not allowed. BULLs**t.
I'll bet you dollars to donuts Skull and Ulthar are talking and saying_"lets ignore him" Thats why you guys aint confronting me. Haha. You must think I'm stupid.
See ya later girls-! I'm done here. Yer covers are blown.Good trick. See Ya!  :twirl:


wow I didn't know I had to explain myself. I was cleaning up my house on Friday because I was having company over on Saturday. Earlier this week I was working on a short story and I was busy pooping up drop ceiling tiles and looking for air handlers for a giant office - which took me two days.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 02, 2016, 07:32:07 PM
I can undrestand why folks back Trump-he says what they want to hear. But it's hard for me to believe a man who sits in a gold plated chair on money he got from his Dad-and A man who wants to be in charge of this country who has declared bankruptsy on lotsa businesses,screwed I dont know how many folks out of there money and wont release his tax returns public-beacuse he's a self serving smug liar. You keep throwing Hillary in my face-I dont like the lying b***h either. I agree-she should be in jail. Thats why I'm not voting.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 02, 2016, 09:46:47 PM
if he'd lost the money then quit I'd agree with you, but he came back. "it's in the crisis where you define yourself" - PJ Buchanan


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 03, 2016, 08:46:01 AM
I can undrestand why folks back Trump-he says what they want to hear. But it's hard for me to believe a man who sits in a gold plated chair on money he got from his Dad-and A man who wants to be in charge of this country who has declared bankruptsy on lotsa businesses,screwed I dont know how many folks out of there money and wont release his tax returns public-beacuse he's a self serving smug liar.

This tax release thing is another non-issue.

Like I said, if we had Jesus Christ (instead of Trump) what is your complaint - Oh, the guy is the Son of God, he was given gifts from 3 kings, and he has magical powers like: make the blind see, walk on water and feed a mountain of people with a basket of fish and bread.

I do remember how people discredit Reagan as a B-movie actor and his biggest movie was with a monkey. I was 10 years old when Reagan became president but I do recall the insults and most seemed to mirror with the new insults on Trump. Sure Trump is no Conservative but conservatism didn't win this primary - Otherwise we would be talking about Ted Cruz (and I bet you'll be saying Ted Cruz is Evil).

Come to think of it - what Republican did you want to see?


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You keep throwing Hillary in my face-I dont like the lying b***h either. I agree-she should be in jail. Thats why I'm not voting.

I had not thrown in Hillary in anybodies face. The Democrat Party throw Hillary in our face. The only thing I've been saying is not voting is a vote for Hillary, voting for 3rd party is a vote for Hillary.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on October 03, 2016, 03:30:54 PM
The debate was dissappointing. Trumps performance was off, he just didnt seem like himself. He should have destroyed her, its like he just stood there and let her stab him repeatedly. It seemed like he was holding back, maybe he was saving ammunition for later. She even referenced alot of her own scandals. Very odd. I do think it showed some. Of their real personalities though. One could argue that he showed some restraint and she clearly enjoyed attacking him,  did you see that evil jackolantern face?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 03, 2016, 04:33:43 PM
The debate was dissappointing. Trumps performance was off, he just didnt seem like himself. He should have destroyed her, its like he just stood there and let her stab him repeatedly. It seemed like he was holding back, maybe he was saving ammunition for later. She even referenced a lot of her own scandals. Very odd. I do think it showed some. Of their real personalities though. One could argue that he showed some restraint and she clearly enjoyed attacking him,  did you see that evil jackolantern face?

I think the debate went better than estimated. The proof is Trumps numbers is still growing and Hillary and the Media is pulling stuff out of there butts. (The point of the debate is to gain more support - therefore Trump wins.)


I do think Hillary and the Media want Trump to pull Bill Clinton's sexual past - so Hillary could say "My husband is not running for President and Right Wing Conspiracy." I think Trump is doing well by not going this direction. I do think it was awesome that Trump brought out Hillary's Emails.

We also seemed to forget that the debate was Hillary and the moderator vs Trump - the beautiful part is the American people saw this.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on October 03, 2016, 08:43:00 PM
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The proof is Trumps numbers is still growing and Hillary and the Media is pulling stuff out of there butts. (The point of the debate is to gain more support - therefore Trump wins.)

What numbers specifically are you referring to?  Rally numbers?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 03, 2016, 11:02:55 PM

I think the debate went better than estimated...
 
Particularly his sniffling.  Which you did not witness.   :lookingup: :teddyr:

We also seemed to forget that the debate was Hillary and the moderator vs Trump - the beautiful part is the American people saw this.

We did?   :question:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on October 04, 2016, 10:26:27 AM
Skull - i agree with you. The debate, as biased as it was, went well. Many things were very obvious. Hillary got very few follow up questions or fact checks compared to trump. He was constantly talked over and cut off, i know he also tends to talk over people.  I cant lie, i really do want to see trump attack hillary and humiliate her, but i dont think that would help him win.  I expect him to really go at her at some point, its in his nature.   I think him talking about jobs was a very important issue to most people. The media is looking more desperate every day, his taxes? Who cares? Microphone issues? He was ridiculed at first, then officials admitted to it! The compression on his mike was way to high, that is why his sniffles were so audible! Im going to watch the vp debate, it will probably be boring.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 04, 2016, 12:49:55 PM
100 pages........holy s**t  :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 05, 2016, 08:52:40 AM
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The proof is Trumps numbers is still growing and Hillary and the Media is pulling stuff out of there butts. (The point of the debate is to gain more support - therefore Trump wins.)

What numbers specifically are you referring to?  Rally numbers?

Numbers that I've been hearing on the news. The Rally numbers are big, too... :)

When I was driving to home from work yesterday, I've was listening to Rawdog 99 and decided to listen to the other comedy station and some how got to 102, 103, or something and caught a political contaminator saying that even though Trump lost the debate the poll numbers suggest otherwise. I'm not sure about the guy but it was awesome to hear... (I'm hoping Rush talks about this on his show today).


I think the debate went better than estimated...
 
Particularly his sniffling.  Which you did not witness.   :lookingup: :teddyr:

We also seemed to forget that the debate was Hillary and the moderator vs Trump - the beautiful part is the American people saw this.

We did?   :question:


Well you did mentioned you're a Sanders supporter and since you never answered our questions about your feelings towards towards the DNC and Hillary for screwing Sanders and his voters over... So I just don't know if you are blind to blatant cheating. 

Skull - i agree with you. The debate, as biased as it was, went well. Many things were very obvious. Hillary got very few follow up questions or fact checks compared to trump. He was constantly talked over and cut off, i know he also tends to talk over people.  I cant lie, i really do want to see trump attack hillary and humiliate her, but i dont think that would help him win.  I expect him to really go at her at some point, its in his nature.   I think him talking about jobs was a very important issue to most people. The media is looking more desperate every day, his taxes? Who cares? Microphone issues? He was ridiculed at first, then officials admitted to it! The compression on his mike was way to high, that is why his sniffles were so audible! Im going to watch the vp debate, it will probably be boring.


Yes, yes I would love to see Trump crush Hillary... but I think it's more important for Trump to win the support from the never trumpers. The never trumpers don't want to see Trump crushing Hillary. I'm not sure why but I doubt people like Indy would give a damn if Trump tore Hillary a new a***ole.


I had not watched the VP debates but I heard that Mike Pence won... and in some cases he seemed to look better then Trump. I'm perfectly fine with this because the intent is to please those never trumpers.

Something to think about. I do think Reagan's biggest mistake was having George Bush his VP. The only reason why because the Bush's were part of the establishment and they did spend 30 freaking years in destroying conservatism. What is really nice to know that Trump didn't make the same mistake as Reagan. Pence is going to make an awesome VP and maybe President :)

100 pages........holy s**t  :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout:

lol... This thread will end in November :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 05, 2016, 10:50:31 AM
from what I understand Pence bested Kaine, not that VP debates are hugely significant. He let a lot of trump supporters down with his relatively stale positions on foreign policy, trade, etc though.  The combination of joy and disappointment was palpable. I don't know many Trump supporters or Republicans period who agree with him on Assad. The guy is fighting ISIS I mean come on dude it's not 2003.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 05, 2016, 11:48:12 AM

...
I think the debate went better than estimated...
 
Particularly his sniffling.  Which you did not witness.   :lookingup: :teddyr:
We also seemed to forget that the debate was Hillary and the moderator vs Trump - the beautiful part is the American people saw this.

We did?   :question:
Well you did mentioned you're a Sanders supporter and since you never answered our questions about your feelings towards towards the DNC and Hillary for screwing Sanders and his voters over... So I just don't know if you are blind to blatant cheating. 
...

That's right.  You don't know. 
"...our questions"?   :question:  You mean ULTHAR's questions?  That's between he and I.  And I don't think you can formulate a question, my friend.   :smile:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 05, 2016, 12:10:27 PM

That's right.  You don't know.  
"...our questions"?   :question:  You mean ULTHAR's questions?  That's between he and I.  And I don't think you can formulate a question, my friend.   :smile:

LOL I wasn't asking a question... :)

I do know you were a Sanders supporter....

And I do know (because it's been posted on this thread several times) that Wiki leaks posted leaks on the DNC/Hillary screwing over Sanders and Sanders voters... [on the side note the guy that hacked the DNC was murdered a few days after - but it came out as a mugging  :buggedout:].

Anyway... I know I would be upset - but I'm not a democrat - so all I can do is assume. I don't know if your blind to blatant cheating or you do like blatant cheating, because the cheaters are democrats. :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 05, 2016, 02:17:15 PM
This is the first time since I've been old enough to vote that I'm not even remotely excited for any candidate left standing.  :bluesad:

I backed Bernie and I'm peeved that the DNC screwed him over to put him mildly.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 05, 2016, 04:01:27 PM

That's right.  You don't know.  
"...our questions"?   :question:  You mean ULTHAR's questions?  That's between he and I.  And I don't think you can formulate a question, my friend.   :smile:

LOL I wasn't asking a question... :)

I do know you were a Sanders supporter....

And I do know (because it's been posted on this thread several times) that Wiki leaks posted leaks on the DNC/Hillary screwing over Sanders and Sanders voters... [on the side note the guy that hacked the DNC was murdered a few days after - but it came out as a mugging  :buggedout:].

Anyway... I know I would be upset - but I'm not a democrat - so all I can do is assume. I don't know if your blind to blatant cheating or you do like blatant cheating, because the cheaters are democrats. :)

 :thumbup: :teddyr:  Deflection at it's finest.  No wonder you support Trumpet.  Of course you didn't ask a question.   :lookingup: You're not good at holding a thought either. :bluesad:

As far as my being a Bernie supporter, I am and have long crowed my politics tend so far left they come right again.  As far as the DNC mess I don't need to waste my own energy and time by inviting stress with the horrors the whole world pulls on each other all the time.  I can only contribute to change by voting.  The whole system is rotten and your candidate is one result.  We shall see what the new year brings.  Whoever our president is at that time, I will always support our president regardless of party.  


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 06, 2016, 05:51:38 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Zapranoth on October 06, 2016, 11:40:44 PM
Sir knight!

I have p**sed my pants, and there is nothing anyone can do about it!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on October 07, 2016, 04:33:39 AM
Sir knight!

I have p**sed my pants, and there is nothing anyone can do about it!


 :teddyr: :teddyr: :teddyr:

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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 07, 2016, 05:45:44 AM

As far as my being a Bernie supporter, I am and have long crowed my politics tend so far left they come right again.  As far as the DNC mess I don't need to waste my own energy and time by inviting stress with the horrors the whole world pulls on each other all the time.  I can only contribute to change by voting.  The whole system is rotten and your candidate is one result.  We shall see what the new year brings.  Whoever our president is at that time, I will always support our president regardless of party.  

I didn't vote for Sanders but I am bothered by this cheating. I think we got a month to go :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 07, 2016, 02:32:16 PM

As far as my being a Bernie supporter, I am and have long crowed my politics tend so far left they come right again.  As far as the DNC mess I don't need to waste my own energy and time by inviting stress with the horrors the whole world pulls on each other all the time.  I can only contribute to change by voting.  The whole system is rotten and your candidate is one result.  We shall see what the new year brings.  Whoever our president is at that time, I will always support our president regardless of party. 


I didn't vote for Sanders but I am bothered by this cheating. I think we got a month to go :)


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NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!  


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on October 07, 2016, 06:31:03 PM
http://fredoneverything.org/compaction-pack-instinct-and-territoriality-some-aspects-of-irrationality/ (http://fredoneverything.org/compaction-pack-instinct-and-territoriality-some-aspects-of-irrationality/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 07, 2016, 08:46:39 PM
http://youtu.be/vE7mjD62apg (http://youtu.be/vE7mjD62apg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on October 07, 2016, 08:50:03 PM
[url]http://youtu.be/vE7mjD62apg[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/vE7mjD62apg[/url])


NSFW, obviously.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on October 07, 2016, 11:44:21 PM
Still pretty tame, considering who he's running against.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 08, 2016, 02:43:34 AM
I watched a documentary on FRONTLINE-It told the history of the canidates unbiased. Trump is crazier than I thought. Hillary is almost Nixon evil.
Criminy-now I'm really spooked.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 08, 2016, 02:56:28 AM
It's like Karloff and Lugosi in the BLACK CAT (1`934)-one is just pure evil-the other is some consumed with Jealousy and power that it makes him evil t00-and the lines get blurred.
Problem is-I am finding it harder and harder to figure out who is worse-because the more I find out about Hillary-the more scared I get. I saw a video of her laughing-LAUGHING! when  she saw Quadaffi being murdered on tape. This was on PBS-not History or FOX. That scares me. I'm glad Quadaffi is gone-but I didn't laugh at watching him die. It was gruesome-I seen the tape-Hillary is bent on winning hook or crook-I-I dont trust this election at all-I am on the far right or far left by saying-of course this election is bought-it's a battle of old money. and Trump is phoney old money-TV money-lets man up,man. Trump is-and always was-a kinda WWF (hell-rember-he was on the show! I have you tube clips!)-and Hillary is Nixon.
We got a guy who is influenced by Norman Vincent Peale and a woman who hates her husband-but will lose all emotion just to win. A clown and a robot. It's like a cheap Charles Band movie.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 08, 2016, 03:10:29 AM
I can say things abought both sides that creep me out. And I wish will happen. I watched the Vice debates-dam. Pence came out over his twin on film-but his policys in Indiana-that most bland and backwoods state-I live in Michigan-right above it-Hoosiers are more redneck than Michiganders-you got Gary-which is a ghetto-and down south ya got back hill interbreds.And I know-I live in Lawton,MI. pop-about 2000 folks. Actually-us idiots born the Stooges,Motown,MC5. Indiana gave us midwest Nazies-like in the Blues Brothers movie. Still-they were actually talking  in a civilised way. It was boring. But it actually summed up in almost a mMAD magazine way this whole shebang. Pence just parroted his megloboss. Kain (is that how ya spell it? Who are these guys?)  had quips and snappy comebacks like he was Johnny Carson!? Because we are a TV nation. God help us.-We have one thing on the rest of the world-we got lotsa TV here! In HELL there is no beer.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 08, 2016, 03:41:18 AM
I can understand why now hows come folks are scared of Clinton-theres a lot to be scared about-shes unstable to the point of being tunnel vision. And Trump is a clueless shmuck who is in love with himself and-just like Norman Vincent Peale--and actually-Skull was right. If you tell a lie so much the people will believe it to be true. It's in Trumps cheezy  paperback version of Mein Kamph. BOTH are not  Nazi-I cant call it Nazi-Nazi's were poor radicals-these are rich demi-gogs. Skull-yer not a Nazi-I apoligize. Both sides in this election are  not Nazis. Both canidates-not the American people-who are so f**ked by the rich at this time-a civil war-or a 60's type civil unrest--- sociopaths who enjoy power more than humanity. Rich folks got that way by f**king the-"LOSERS. Were ALL losers in this election. No matter who wins-this country is in for a revolution-because Rome is burning.
Hillary will bomb places because she dreams of being Roosevelt. She doesnt have the compassion of Roosevelt. She has the compassion of somebody who has been publicly bashed so much that shes turned into Robocop. Thats scary. Trump will bomb places because he dreams of being Hugh Hefner. His dad taught him  there were "killlers and losers-Be a killer." "killers"-thats  Donald's father's words-and "losers" Trump wants to be a "killer".
There not Nazis-Hitler's psychosis was much more thoughtful and well spoken. Crazy-yeah-but he was a smart maniac. There aint gonna be WW3-theres gonna be Civil War.--these 2 people are floundering  rebels without a clue.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 08, 2016, 03:49:36 AM
I started this thread-and I thought Bernie Sanders had a chance-and I do think big Democrat money squashed him.-well-Bernie is not a Democrat-hes a Roosevelt kinda guy. Or was-he's likley getting drunk on his porch at night  hollering his woes to the moon. There aint been a HONEST-I aint saying good-president since Jimmy Carter-he was like  Howdy Doody. My 2 favorite Presidents were Abe-a Republican-and FDR-a Democrat. None of which exist anymore-the  party names mean nothing.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 08, 2016, 12:38:26 PM
Some interesting and worthwhile commentary there, Ronnie.

This latest revelation simply proves what I've said about Trump all along - that he is a crude, vile, and wicked man.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on October 08, 2016, 01:28:26 PM

This latest revelation simply proves what I've said about Trump all along - that he is a crude, vile, and wicked man.

Did you see this, Indy? Seems to match your position: https://www.change.org/p/donald-trump-a-declaration-by-american-evangelicals-concerning-donald-trump (https://www.change.org/p/donald-trump-a-declaration-by-american-evangelicals-concerning-donald-trump)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on October 08, 2016, 03:34:23 PM
BREAKING NEWS!

Trump said something bad about women 10 years ago!!

This is a non issue, its really not important. The media is all over this like flys on poo. One could look at it like its some insight into trumps "wicked" mind,  yeah, he really likes women. Yeah, its really unpresidsential.  I often have conversations like that when im with the boys, most men do. I can not stress enough that hillary has done far more to hurt women than trump ever will. At least theyre not talking about his taxes any more.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 08, 2016, 04:50:24 PM
self serving in this case I know, but even in the 90's w Monica Lewinsky I've never liked when scandals derail people. elections should be about competing ideas. Its like when a fighter doesn't make weight or tests positive for steroids or something. I wanted to see Hillary and Trump debate their different visions for America.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 08, 2016, 05:12:51 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Alex on October 08, 2016, 05:13:58 PM
BREAKING NEWS!

Trump said something bad about women 10 years ago!!

This is a non issue, its really not important. The media is all over this like flys on poo. One could look at it like its some insight into trumps "wicked" mind,  yeah, he really likes women. Yeah, its really unpresidsential.  I often have conversations like that when im with the boys, most men do. I can not stress enough that hillary has done far more to hurt women than trump ever will. At least theyre not talking about his taxes any more.

Just finished chatting with a woman I know who had her p***y grabbed by a man on a train when she was 12. She didn't seem to think it was a non issue.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 08, 2016, 06:05:44 PM
BREAKING NEWS!

Trump said something bad about women 10 years ago!!

This is a non issue, its really not important. The media is all over this like flys on poo. One could look at it like its some insight into trumps "wicked" mind,  yeah, he really likes women. Yeah, its really unpresidsential.  I often have conversations like that when im with the boys, most men do. I can not stress enough that hillary has done far more to hurt women than trump ever will. At least theyre not talking about his taxes any more.

Just finished chatting with a woman I know who had her p***y grabbed by a man on a train when she was 12. She didn't seem to think it was a non issue.

Trumps a creeper. And-the Republican Party-remeber family values? This guy takes a wife when one gets a little too old-this guy only gets p***y because he's RICH. And he dumps them on a whim. He;s in a marriage to someone who was not born in the United Staes,Trump. She copied Michelle Obama's speech! She can't write a speech! We're gonna have the Kardashians in the White House!

But-it's ok-elections are one thing. Being the most important person in the free world -you can't buy that. You gotta have a BRAIN.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 08, 2016, 06:10:54 PM
I saw a movie with Andy Griffith-ya know-Opie's dad. He played this politiction-well heres a clip-
This is Trump to a tee.

http://youtu.be/6Dicfa65I2E (http://youtu.be/6Dicfa65I2E)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on October 08, 2016, 06:17:57 PM
OMIGAWD!!! YOU MEAN TWO STRAIGHT MEN WERE TALKING SEXUALLY ABOUT WOMEN IN PRIVATE!????? NO WAY!!!!!

Well thank goodness Trump's opponent has such a sterling record about the way she's discussed women in private. Especially when she was covering Bill's ass while running the Bimbo squad, using mob style tactics to shut women up. And the ways she's talked about blacks, Hispanics, Roma, climate change advocates, blue collar Southerners, stay at home mothers, etc etc etc....

Boy oh boy did Clinton walk into the door on this one!



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 08, 2016, 06:43:29 PM
OMIGAWD!!! YOU MEAN TWO STRAIGHT MEN WERE TALKING SEXUALLY ABOUT WOMEN IN PRIVATE!????? NO WAY!!!!!

Well thank goodness Trump's opponent has such a sterling record about the way she's discussed women in private. Especially when she was covering Bill's ass while running the Bimbo squad, using mob style tactics to shut women up. And the ways she's talked about blacks, Hispanics, Roma, climate change advocates, blue collar Southerners, stay at home mothers, etc etc etc....

Boy oh boy did Clinton walk into the door on this one!



My point was-The Republican Party has always-at it's core-since Reagan-been "Family Values." That changed when Trump won the nomination. Just saying-old Republican farmers are not gonna vote for a NY shyster. Or Hillary. People who used to vote won't. It's like a sit down strike. And in the long run-I bet which ever canidate wins-that person will not hold office long-we have impeachment. Congress will squash them both.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on October 08, 2016, 06:56:10 PM
I wasn't directing that at anything you wrote, RC, I was just sort of being goofy.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 08, 2016, 07:03:21 PM
Trump's screwed the pooch for good this time I think.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pressure-mounts-on-trump-to-step-aside/ar-BBxaPaB?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartandhp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pressure-mounts-on-trump-to-step-aside/ar-BBxaPaB?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartandhp)

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-gop%E2%80%99s-brutal-responses-to-the-new-trump-video-broken-down/ar-BBx9F6f?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartandhp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-gop%E2%80%99s-brutal-responses-to-the-new-trump-video-broken-down/ar-BBx9F6f?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartandhp)





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 08, 2016, 10:03:17 PM
I saw this coming, I tried to warn people.

Donald Trump has spent twenty-five years saying vulgar and offensive things about women, minorities, foreigners, celebrities, and just about every other group out there that he's ever gotten mad at.  And most of those remarks were recorded in some form or another.  The Democrats are going to trot out a new Trump recording every day or two between now and the election, and I'm sure we haven't heard the worst, the most obscene, or the most offensive of them yet.

   Now, I know that won't matter to the hard-core Trump-heads out there.  The Donald could blaspheme the Holy Spirit, punch Jesus in the face, and rape the Virgin Mary and you would still say "At least he's better than Hillary Clinton!"

   But I'll tell you who it does matter to - the roughly twenty per cent of Americans who are political independents.  You may not like them, but they decide every single Presidential election, and they tend to be late choosers.  This torrent of vileness from the GOP nominee is going to stampede them, either to Hillary or to third party candidates, and the Republicans may well suffer their worst defeat since Herbert Hoover was sent packing in 1932.  And we will deserve it.   

   On top of that, since most of these remarks are directed at the groups that the Republican Party desperately needs in order to win future elections, Donald Trump may succeed in locking the doors of the White House to GOP candidates for the next generation.  Unless we suddenly decide to play smart and nominate likable, electable candidates - and nothing in this last year's political campaign fills me with any confidence in that regard.  The GOP has put the gun in its mouth, now the trigger is being pulled.

   Don't blame me, I tried to warn you.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 08, 2016, 10:32:35 PM
BREAKING NEWS!

Trump said something bad about women 10 years ago!!

This is a non issue, its really not important. The media is all over this like flys on poo. One could look at it like its some insight into trumps "wicked" mind,  yeah, he really likes women. Yeah, its really unpresidsential.  I often have conversations like that when im with the boys, most men do. I can not stress enough that hillary has done far more to hurt women than trump ever will. At least theyre not talking about his taxes any more.

Meanwhile 2 boxes of Hillary's emails disappeared... I really, really wished Nixon was alive to see this BS.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 08, 2016, 11:01:32 PM
Celebrity is a two-edged sword, my friend.
  Hillary's emails may be damaging, but they won't get the play that Trump's endless repertoire of crass remarks will.  BECAUSE he's a celebrity.  And yes, media bias, etc. etc. etc.

But Trump's mouth is going to sink his ship of state before it is every launched.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 09, 2016, 06:59:25 AM
Celebrity is a two-edged sword, my friend.
  Hillary's emails may be damaging, but they won't get the play that Trump's endless repertoire of crass remarks will.  BECAUSE he's a celebrity.  And yes, media bias, etc. etc. etc.

But Trump's mouth is going to sink his ship of state before it is every launched.


I don't see what Trump had said is worst than this:

http://youtu.be/3Tl3zCDRBDk (http://youtu.be/3Tl3zCDRBDk)






Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 09, 2016, 07:26:36 AM


My point was-The Republican Party has always-at it's core-since Reagan-been "Family Values." That changed when..

Sorry I have to correct you here... That was changed when Mitt Romney failed to collect 6 million voters. Romney was oozing 'Family Values' and it got him nowhere. Family Values is a political handicap. A one sided joke - that only applies to the republicans (or non-democrats). If Family Values really matter than why was it ok for Bill Clinton to stay as president after we find out it was HIS DNA ON THE BLUE DRESS.

PS... Why would you care about 'Family Values?'




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And in the long run-I bet which ever canidate wins-that person will not hold office long-we have impeachment. Congress will squash them both.

Congress will not impeach Hillary. Obama beaks several laws and he's not impeached. The FBI investigation on Hillary's emails is laughable and terrifying at the same freaking time.  


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on October 09, 2016, 09:32:43 AM
Allow me to speak as an Irish citizen this morning. Ahem. Ready?

Of COURSE Donald Trump is a boorish egotistical sexually-motivated male whose followers seem every bit as drunken on impossible promises as Obama's were eight years ago. So what?

The trouble with you Americans and politics is you lot care more about what someone is saying than what someone is doing. Look good, don't be offensive, boy, that's what counts!

You also seem to have a need to elect sexless neutered wimps for high office, and when someone shows he still has balls, it offends? Think Abe Lincoln did unfurl the occasional sexist joke?

Is there a man here who hasn't said something along those lines in private? If not, then what's wrong with you?

Are you a woman who has never been "grabbed by the p***y?" Then I pity you. Do you even know what "grabbed by the p***y" means? Does it automatically equate to a sexual imposition? Does it automatically mean literally to be grabbed, or does it mean something metaphorical, like the draw of lust? That's how I've heard it used, and I've almost always heard the term used by women. (Yeah, we say things too in private.) I seriously doubt Trump has ever raped a woman, unlike Bill Clinton.

Since you Americans are a dense lot, let me give you an example:

Candidate A: long before he ran for high office speaks fondly in private of his love of p***y---and thank God there's still some man out there red-blooded enough to like it---and while caught up in the atmosphere of a talk show well-known for its crude topics, affirms that his daughter is attractive. Were his remarks polite? No, but sexual things said in private or on Howard Stern seldom are.

Candidate B: actively harasses women for decades to cover up for her rapist husband, makes jokes about race, income, regional residency, secures a child molester's acquittal in court and jokes about it, verbally abuses Secret Service, actively violates US law and covers up evidence of wrongdoing, lies and lies and lies, conceals her poor health, and above all flagrantly mishandles a crisis in Libya that results in the brutal slayings of US personnel.

Which is more egrious, the empty air of a p***y joke or actual misdeeds?

You don't like Trump, you don't like Clinton, well guess what, this country is a closed shop, and those are your only realistic choices.

Words are just words. Forget who says what and concentrate on who would govern best. Jesus in a handbasket Americans are easy to lead by the nose!

Besides, at this point it's like arguing over who is at the helm of the Titanic. Western civilization is FUBAR.





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on October 09, 2016, 10:42:48 AM
Damn, ER, well said. I have to agree with what you said, and i have to admit i am a little dense. Ha! Trump has made offensive comments for the past 25 years because his whole life has been recorded. Its just "man talk", weve all had conversations like that, unless you dont have any testosterone or interest in women. Im sure there will be more clips of him saying things like that. Its no coincidence that these videos are coming out now. There are more and more people disrupting hillarys events and protesting with " bill cinton is a rapist" . this is information warfare. Trumps character has to be destroyed, sometimes the only way to squash a scandal is to create another scandal. Round 2, tonigjt!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on October 09, 2016, 11:02:58 AM
Trump has been accused of rape twice and attempted rape once, and currently has a case pending (https://www.scribd.com/doc/316341058/Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-Rape-Lawsuit-and-Affidavits#fullscreen). Bill Clinton has been accused of rape once and lesser sexual offenses several times. Almost certainly none of those cases will ever be proven against either of them, but if I were on Trump 's team I would advise him not to "go there."

Disclaimer: I know allegations against whichever candidate you favor are politically motivated nonsense, while allegations against the candidate you dislike are obviously true and have been covered up.

EDIT: One of the three accusations against Trump was for attempted rape, not rape.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 09, 2016, 11:22:41 AM
"The Constitution virtually assures that only bad and dangerous people will rise to the top."

https://vimeo.com/20008338

Hoppe really went a long way to sell this old book: finding two people who represent bad and dangerous perfectly.

By this time next year we are either going to be in world War 3 with Russia or having groping replace baseball as the national past time.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on October 09, 2016, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: ER
Besides, at this point it's like arguing over who is at the helm of the Titanic. Western civilization is FUBAR.

When wasn't it, exactly?  Would you really rather be living in Ireland in the 1940s or 1950s than now?

There's scary stuff happening, yeah, and some worrying stuff on the horizon.  But...  Day to day, things seem pretty much fine in virtually all of western civilization.  Better in most ways now than 40 years ago.  More stable, healthier, longer living people with way better media and communication systems (feeding us endless negative news).  Just worth remembering.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on October 09, 2016, 12:34:57 PM
Quote from: ER
Besides, at this point it's like arguing over who is at the helm of the Titanic. Western civilization is FUBAR.

When wasn't it, exactly?  Would you really rather be living in Ireland in the 1940s or 1950s than now?

There's scary stuff happening, yeah, and some worrying stuff on the horizon.  But...  Day to day, things seem pretty much fine in virtually all of western civilization.  Better in most ways now than 40 years ago.  More stable, healthier, longer living people with way better media and communication systems (feeding us endless negative news).  Just worth remembering.   :cheers:



When wasn't western civilization FUBAR? I don't think it's ever had less of a moral compass directing it while at the same time experiencing this level of self-loathing ethnomasochistic internal decay coupled with quiet invasion from outside, all while it purchases its own destruction through its dependence on the very product that funds its foes (oil), with the entirety of this going on amid the bread and circuses of social media and endless "entertainment" distractions. It's a perfect storm of technology meets ancient attitudes meets self loathing meets invasion from within. Nothing lasts forever, and we're seeing our own slow motion conclusion.

And if I lived in Ireland at any time period, I'm sure I'd take up drinking: many over there do. Nice place to visit.....sort of... many people I love live there, but I'd rather live in the United States, so I'm glad I was born on this side of the ocean.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 10, 2016, 12:09:00 AM
The solution to lack of a moral compass is not to throw your support to a man who has none.
If the GOP abandons the values that drew me to it in the first place, then its candidate will not get my vote.

This isn't about the fact that Donald Trump likes sex.  OK, all men, even us Christian conservatives, like sex.
But a man who will allow another man to refer to his daughter as a "piece of ass" in his presence and not punch the guy's lights out for it has no business being a father, much less a President.

And yes, Hillary has enabled her sexual predator of a husband and verbally demeaned his victims for YEARS.
She is an immoral piece of slime too.

I refuse to choose between lung cancer and breast cancer.

So I will choose neither.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on October 10, 2016, 08:44:38 AM
Did anyone else enjoy the debate? I did! im happy now because I got what I wanted from the begining! Trump destroyed her! all I wanted was for trump to stand next to her on stage and reference the scandals and evil deeds that she has done. Benghazi, james grouper, defending child rapists, etc. These things may seem trivial to some, but they are important to me, hopefully more people will wake up and seek out the truth, as subjective as it may be. The look on bill clintons face was priceless! He was shamed publicly and it was beautiful! Now, as stated before, i am not a trumpster. He is very flawed and i understand the position that some people maintain, like indy. Realistically, i dont expect him to win, but i am feeling the urge to vote for him.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on October 10, 2016, 08:49:09 AM
I recorded the "debate" last night and watched it this morning because I had so much going on when it happened. I haven't read or heard anyone else's analysis of it, and these impressions are strictly my own and I don't know how much they gel with the volume of what others thought.

Her poor choice in attire aside, I thought Hillary Clinton looked good last night in terms of her physical appearance, but why hasn't it been pointed out that she wasn't able to stand for ninety minutes? She sat through 3/4ths of the event.

I think her feeling going in was she was on auto-pilot at this point to win in November, so all she had to do was cruise through without making major mistakes, whereas her opponent (I think I'd say her "enemy" is more apt) had an uphill battle. So she was content to go in and say some basic things and feel she'd have a good night. Instead she was quickly put on the ropes and was drawn out more than she wanted to be. She is someone with much to hide and ended up being lucky that much of what she wanted to be unmentioned was in fact left unmentioned.

Donald Trump was who he is (as opposed to the persona Clinton panders) and did a good job of pushing his tape scandal aside, if only for an evening (I don't think that's going to go away just yet). He said what he wanted to say, scored some body blows against Clinton, and probably did not secure many votes beyond those he already had. I think he felt better at the end of the evening than Clinton did, and when he loses the election next month, as he will, he can at least look back on this as a night he got to vent against those who opposed him.

If Trump proved boorishly unable to wait his turn to speak, then at least he also pointed out that the moderators were unfairly biased in undertaking their role. He was entertaining, Clinton was weak. He was into the event, Clinton didn't want to be there. He had a message, she had rhetoric. He had valid points, she had talking points and counterpunches.

As for Trump’s comments on the 2005 recording and what they say of him…since ancient Greece it has been debated whether one’s private conduct should have great bearing on one’s public position, and clearly Americans, with their roots in Puritanism, feel it does. It’s not for me to say that’s wrong, only say that because that is how Americans and most people in the world feel, it is what it is and if Donald Trump did not expect his past to haunt him, then he was naïve. Since someone has opened the door to questions of morality, let Clinton herself now beware if she thinks she can slither from a glass house to the white house unscathed.

If anyone can be said to have won last night, it was clearly him in terms of punches that connected, but it was one of those situations where unless he scored a knockout he was still going to lose just because of the real politics of where this country and this election are, and so simply by remaining on her feet (no pun intended) Clinton still has to be viewed as the frontrunner in the wake of the second debate.

In a side note, I really don't like a lot of what the Republican Party stands for. I don't. My situation is that in this...century....the platform of the Democrats has been so anti-American and destructive I can't be part of it, and for that I am viewed as an apostate by a lot of my family, who have been not just supporters of the Democrats for many decades, but in bed with them to the point that some are on a first-name basis with well-known figures in the party. I grew up going to events where people like Tipper Gore would show and speak, John Glenn, if I hadn't had a sore throat when I was little I could have been at a dinner with Ted Kennedy one time, so there's not a lot to gain on a personal level by my not leaping into support for Mrs. Clinton. If I did it'd pour oil on trouble waters on the family front, so my opposition to Democrats is not undertaken lightly, it's a matter of conscience that built over time, and as late as the 2008 primaries I was still holding my nose and voting for Clinton, I certainly supported her husband in the '90s, but she'd be a mess for this country, and will be when she's elected.

My agreement with much of Donald Trump's message, if not an embracing of him as a person, has left me feeling like a woman without a country, so to speak, and last night at my dad's sixtieth birthday party, my aunt, this lawyer b***h from the eighth circle of Hell, said she almost could not be under the same roof with me if I was going to cast a vote for Trump. But she's also been out to get me for years.

Anyway, just sounding off and tossing my thoughts into the void/maelstrom here.
 
And I hope all my fellow Americans take a moment to give thought to the fact it is Columbus Day, our most embattled holiday of worth. All that we are we indirectly owe Columbus, a fact too often denied in today's PC-riddled society.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 10, 2016, 10:47:26 AM
Sorry.  Fock Columbus.  He brought disease and destruction to the New World.  He had native Americans burned alive for refusing to convert to Christianity.  He began the slave trade. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 10, 2016, 11:09:12 AM
And yet he also opened the first permanent exchange of ideas, information, trade, and immigration between three continents.  He was a man of his time - no European, discovering the West Indies, would have done any differently than he did.  But ER makes a good point - for good or ill, this man is a historical giant whose actions set in motion a chain of events that literally altered the history of the world in thousands of ways, both good and ill. 
   Any time we judge a man of a past era by the moral standards of today, he will come out the loser.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 10, 2016, 11:11:32 AM
I missed the debate last night so I'm watching it now. 
My visceral loathing of Donald Trump knows no bounds, but let me say this much:  Everything that Hillary Clinton said about his moral character, especially his treatment of women, is true.
BUT everything that he pointed out about her husband's atrocious behavior and attitudes towards women was also true.  The fact is, Bill Clinton was a serial sexual predator for years, and his wife enabled that behavior and slandered his accusers on a regular basis.

Neither of them is fit to be President.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: AoTFan on October 10, 2016, 06:51:56 PM
Neither of them is fit to be President.

Well, sadly, it seems to be all we got right now.  What was that South Park line about choosing between an a***ole and a turd sandwich?  


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: AoTFan on October 10, 2016, 06:59:29 PM
Allow me to speak as an Irish citizen this morning. Ahem. Ready?
Are you a woman who has never been "grabbed by the p***y?" Then I pity you. Do you even know what "grabbed by the p***y" means? Does it automatically equate to a sexual imposition? Does it automatically mean literally to be grabbed, or does it mean something metaphorical, like the draw of lust? That's how I've heard it used, and I've almost always heard the term used by women.

(Yeah, we say things too in private.)

No, you don't!  Everyone knows women are pure, holy, and innocent, and, for the most part, only endure sex cause us evil men make 'em.   :twirl:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 10, 2016, 07:47:25 PM
And yet he also opened the first permanent exchange of ideas, information, trade, and immigration between three continents.  He was a man of his time - no European, discovering the West Indies, would have done any differently than he did.  But ER makes a good point - for good or ill, this man is a historical giant whose actions set in motion a chain of events that literally altered the history of the world in thousands of ways, both good and ill. 
   Any time we judge a man of a past era by the moral standards of today, he will come out the loser.
I do not agree.  Don't be petty.  What about PaulPeterJohn"What would Jesus do?" 

There is no doubt that Columbus is an important historical figure.  My family would not be here either if America did not become what it is.  I do not honor the man for his courage or endurance or major influence on our history and lives.  Sin is, after all, sin. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 10, 2016, 08:05:46 PM
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He was a man of his time - no European, discovering the West Indies, would have done any differently than he did

he was judged as being a pretty atrocious governor in his own day


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 10, 2016, 10:36:05 PM
He was ill-suited for that job, but he also had enemies eager to accuse him of all sorts of wrongdoing.
I found that COLUMBUS: THE FOUR VOYAGES was a fascinating and overall balanced picture of the man and his times, I highly recommend it.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 11, 2016, 07:43:44 AM


There is no doubt that Columbus is an important historical figure.  My family would not be here either if America did not become what it is.  I do not honor the man for his courage or endurance or major influence on our history and lives.  Sin is, after all, sin.  

The brainwashing is deep. Lets talk sin... Can you name me one country the planet Earth without sin? Conquering lands, converting people and slavery is many-many-many years older than the existence of Egypt.

Indians were no innocent bystander, and if you look deep in the Indian culture you'll find out they also sin many-many-many years before Columbus was born. They conquered lands, converting people by raping the women and they had slaves. This was the way it was. Do you think the Mayans built their 'human sacrifice' temples without slaves?

The modernized oasis that we see today is a little dot on the history of mankind and it's a fragile dot too. I'm grateful to be inside this little dot.


As for Columbus, yes what he did was major and needs to be honored and respected. This lefts bulls**t warped teaching for over 40 freaking years is screwing up the truth because the teaching is so damn narrow. This leftist brainwashing wants every American feel ungrateful and depressed that they were born on the greatest miracle on Earth. The United States is a freaking miracle.





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 11, 2016, 04:49:20 PM
There is no doubt that Columbus is an important historical figure.  My family would not be here either if America did not become what it is.  I do not honor the man for his courage or endurance or major influence on our history and lives.  Sin is, after all, sin.  
The brainwashing is deep. Lets talk sin... Can you name me one country the planet Earth without sin? Conquering lands, converting people and slavery is many-many-many years older than the existence of Egypt.

Indians were no innocent bystander, and if you look deep in the Indian culture you'll find out they also sin many-many-many years before Columbus was born. They conquered lands, converting people by raping the women and they had slaves. This was the way it was. Do you think the Mayans built their 'human sacrifice' temples without slaves?

The modernized oasis that we see today is a little dot on the history of mankind and it's a fragile dot too. I'm grateful to be inside this little dot.

As for Columbus, yes what he did was major and needs to be honored and respected. This lefts bulls**t warped teaching for over 40 freaking years is screwing up the truth because the teaching is so damn narrow. This leftist brainwashing wants every American feel ungrateful and depressed that they were born on the greatest miracle on Earth. The United States is a freaking miracle.
"Brainwashing"?  That's a rude remark.  You cherry pick what you acknowledge and characterize without any insight.  My point of view did not come from teachers of the last 40 years... in fact, I'm probably older than you and learned how to WRITE English (for example). 
 
Apparently you think in terms of black and white.  Yes, all civilization has histories including sin.  And when I mention "sin" I mean acts of EVIL.  So, just because everybody's doing it doesn't make it right. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 11, 2016, 06:41:21 PM
I've deciding I'm voting against Trump......


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 12, 2016, 03:41:07 AM
good lord-I cant believe this is not a reality TV show-and folks still support this...person? WHY? :buggedout:
This has gone beyond insane.  :bluesad:
Trump is a SCUMBAG.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 12, 2016, 04:02:21 AM


My point was-The Republican Party has always-at it's core-since Reagan-been "Family Values." That changed when..

Sorry I have to correct you here... That was changed when Mitt Romney failed to collect 6 million voters. Romney was oozing 'Family Values' and it got him nowhere. Family Values is a political handicap. A one sided joke - that only applies to the republicans (or non-democrats). If Family Values really matter than why was it ok for Bill Clinton to stay as president after we find out it was HIS DNA ON THE BLUE DRESS.

PS... Why would you care about 'Family Values?'



 

Why would I care about "family values"?

You are a Republican,right? and not just some right wing nut?
If you are a republican-Your party has been riding on "family Values" ticket for years...what happened? You want to elect TRUMP? Who's currant wife is an ex porn star? ARE YOU SERIOUS? He shot himself in the foot waaaay too often...that man is just plain CRAZY. And-Yeah-I do believe in "family vaues. WTF,man.My kids love me-me and Tiana have are ups and downs-were good. Why would you say I have no family values? And even if I was a total scumbag-I dont want to be PRESIDENT.


.You dont buy "p***y".
This man thinks he can buy the presidency. Yeh-he said this ten years ago. He calls women pigs,calls mexican men rapists. And he's the worst creeper of them all. Mexicans are rapists. And he will grab a womens p***y. I dont want this idiot to be president. This aint high school s**t. the President should be a job earned by tolerance and virtue. Yeah-I know-Hillary-blah blah blah. But Trump? really? TRUMP??? I refuse to vote. This is insane.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 12, 2016, 04:28:30 AM
Fact is-if you call a leader of an unstable country a LOSER-and try to buy your way out of a insane war with crazy terrorists with money....this man will get us in a war bigger than-omg. Putin is his FREIND.  PUTIN. Putin is a terrorist.Georgia wants to be free. Putin is the Russian Trump. WW3 is coming-and if Trump wins-were gonna be the bad guys.
BUT! The good side if Trump wins. because he knows NOTHING about international politics. I dont want war anymore. and he will make it happen-wait a second-I said thats the good side of Trump winning? Mother f**ker. I never said that. :wink:

I never said anyhting against Trump in my whole life-ever-I NEVER said anything .


See what I just did? I talked CRAZY. Some idiots will BELIEVE ME.   Some wont. I AM NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. Trump IS crazy-he wants to RULE THE WORLD. he is INSANE.
Your right Skull-tell a big enough lie long enough and people will believe it-Goebbels. Trump quotes that in his book-read it-or havent you yet? Do your homework. HE QUOTES NAZI PHILOSOPHY. I will look it up on the page if you want.

Did you just hear or listen to all that crazy s**t that just came out of my mouth? If you agree or not-I am in NO WAY qualified to be president-I dont have a clue about international politics. I hate Russians-I hate commies. I hate terrorists. Putin supports terrorists. Trump sees MONEY. Because Putin is REALLY rich.
and the Hitler comparison fits like a glove. If you cant see the obvious-well,your blinded by Trump's light. I feel sorry for you-if he wins-I will fight you.
Yup-I'm an extreme radical-will you vote for me? If I had millions of dollars-would you vote for me? If I grabbed your daughters p***y-would you vote for me?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 12, 2016, 06:23:33 AM
"Brainwashing"?  That's a rude remark.  

Rude -  NO.  I was being truthful and honest. What you had said is brainwashed anti-American propaganda bulls**t. This is nothing new and it probably came out during the pot smoking 1960’s, maybe earlier than that.

~ I will skip your second jab ~

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Apparently you think in terms of black and white.
Funny but you are the one thinking in black and white. You’re stuck with a silly depressed/ungrateful notion that America is a great sinner.  You’re the one that thinks Columbus didn’t do anything good. But you just omit the facts – that world is built from conquering, conversion and oppression.  It started when man decided that moving in a cave was a good idea (meaning way-way before the cavemen were cavemen).

I know you want to believe the creation of America was invalid because it had a flawed start, sure  I'm assuming this but you had giving me nothing to doubt my suspicions.

The reality is every country in existence had a flawed start.  If America was never founded or if it was destroyed by the war of 1812; the modern world would never exist.  This is why America is the greatest miracle on Earth; because other civilized countries want the same success of America and learned to mimic them. The modernize world didn’t start until 1800’s, I would think after the civil war. When I mean start, I mean getting the ball rolling in becoming the world that we see today. The world that we see today, really didn’t exist until after World War 2.

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Yes, all civilization has histories including sin.  And when I mention "sin" I mean acts of EVIL.  

Sin… Evil… You were talking about conquering, conversion and oppression. Yes, today in the modern world we see that as an act of evil. But the modernized world only saw it as act of Evil since the 1940’s (World War 2). I'm repeating myself to get the point across.

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So, just because everybody's doing it doesn't make it right.  

I’m not sure what you mean by everybody’s is doing it and it’s ok.  Yes there are still countries committing acts of evil – I never said it was ok. But logically speaking America is not the world’s policeman, we shouldn’t be. On the other hand, America shouldn’t be giving money to those countries committing acts of evil.  If I was president I would stop giving money to any Islamic nation that practices Sharia Law. I don’t know about you but I see Sharia Law doing acts of EVIL.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 12, 2016, 06:31:06 AM


Why would I care about "family values"?

You are a Republican,right? and not just some right wing nut?

I was being realistic and answered why I think it's a joke. I want to know why you think it's so damn important. And apparently you don't. You want it to be the republican handicap.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 12, 2016, 06:39:20 AM
If you have to give up your core values in order to win, you've already lost.  Trump has turned the GOP, and many Christians, into horrible, blatant hypocrites this year, and it's broken my heart.  I see good, decent men prostituting their values to support this vile person, and it makes me nuts.

And after all that, we're not going to win with him.  I doubt he'll get 40% of the popular vote.  It'll take the GOP years to recover from the drubbing we're about to receive.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 12, 2016, 06:42:16 AM
..and you still dont get it. It's not about anti Hillary. It's about BOTH. I dont support Hillary-but WHY? WHY??? Do you support Trump-Tell me why! All you do,Skull is cut down Hillary-ok-OK-I get it-WHY do you follow this TRUMP guy? Tell me his good views on politics,or even as a nice person-? Would you hang out with him as a buddy? Why do you like him? Why? WHY? All I hear is that you hate Clinton-heard all that.-tell me how Trump is qualified to be leader of the free world.Tell me this,man. How is this man qualified to run ANYTHING? He has bought-and f**ked over,most folks. He was losing money on his casino-he sold his stock in it when he realized he was loosing money-and his stockholders got stuck holding the bag. Yeah-nice guy-he got richer-they got f**ked. He sneaks around the tax codes. Obama had to show his birth proof? And he wont disclose his tax returns. He's a creeper-who denounces Bill Clinton as a scumbag-good god-he makes Clinton look like a monk. :bluesad:
And now he's throwing his money at the PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I think I'm gonna puke.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 12, 2016, 07:32:15 AM
did you see that evil jackolantern face?
Yup-I'm gonna vote for Trump because Hillary has a Jack-O-Lantern Face. You have the political stance of a 9 year old.
Coming from a guy who's avatar is of of some old dude with a swastika on his shirt does not help your credibility.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 12, 2016, 08:20:00 AM
and Skull-I find what you say about the Indian Nations VERY offensive. Yes-they went to war. Like you said-we all have. But genocide was not they're goal. They fought for territory. NOT genocide of a race. The White Man back then drove the Nations almost out of existence. THAT WAS EVIL. We put them in concentration camps. That was EVIL. Hitler even said himself in 'Mein Kampf' that he got the idea from-US! THAT IS EVIL. And if you want to go head to head with me on Mein Kampf-cool! I was pro Hitler when I was 18 years old-I read that f**king book 10 times over. Lets discuss this. Lets go head to head with this-my guns are loaded. My dead wife was born on a reservation.You wanna throw your crazy narrow minded bulls**t at American Indians-your f**king with the wrong person,my freind. I know more about that in a thimble than you ever learned in your life. If someone doesnt agree with you-their "LEFT". WTF does that mean? I know what it means-you see life in black and white-"RIGHT" is good-"LEFT" is bad.
Life aint left and right-thats a 20th century term. That actually means NOTHING.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 12, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
"Brainwashing"?  That's a rude remark.  
Rude -  NO.  I was being truthful and honest. What you had said is brainwashed anti-American propaganda bulls**t. This is nothing new and it probably came out during the pot smoking 1960’s, maybe earlier than that.
~ I will skip your second jab ~
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Apparently you think in terms of black and white.
Funny but you are the one thinking in black and white. You’re stuck with a silly depressed/ungrateful notion that America is a great sinner.  You’re the one that thinks Columbus didn’t do anything good. But you just omit the facts – that world is built from conquering, conversion and oppression.  It started when man decided that moving in a cave was a good idea (meaning way-way before the cavemen were cavemen).
I know you want to believe the creation of America was invalid because it had a flawed start, sure  I'm assuming this but you had giving me nothing to doubt my suspicions.
The reality is every country in existence had a flawed start.  If America was never founded or if it was destroyed by the war of 1812; the modern world would never exist.  This is why America is the greatest miracle on Earth; because other civilized countries want the same success of America and learned to mimic them. The modernize world didn’t start until 1800’s, I would think after the civil war. When I mean start, I mean getting the ball rolling in becoming the world that we see today. The world that we see today, really didn’t exist until after World War 2.
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Yes, all civilization has histories including sin.  And when I mention "sin" I mean acts of EVIL.  
Sin… Evil… You were talking about conquering, conversion and oppression. Yes, today in the modern world we see that as an act of evil. But the modernized world only saw it as act of Evil since the 1940’s (World War 2). I'm repeating myself to get the point across.
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So, just because everybody's doing it doesn't make it right.  
I’m not sure what you mean by everybody’s is doing it and it’s ok.  Yes there are still countries committing acts of evil – I never said it was ok. But logically speaking America is not the world’s policeman, we shouldn’t be. On the other hand, America shouldn’t be giving money to those countries committing acts of evil.  If I was president I would stop giving money to any Islamic nation that practices Sharia Law. I don’t know about you but I see Sharia Law doing acts of EVIL.
 

You are on and on... I am not your opponent, and my thoughts don't derive from other people's prejudices.  You shift gears because you can't hold a single thought, and I mean one thought at a time.  Your entire world view is scrambled eggs.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 12, 2016, 11:48:28 AM

You are on and on... I am not your opponent, and my thoughts don't derive from other people's prejudices.

I was explaining why I called it 'brainwashed.' Maybe you need to explain Evil and why Columbus is Evil without using leftist talking points; because it does seemed like you are basing your opinion from other people's prejudices.


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You shift gears because you can't hold a single thought, and I mean one thought at a time.  Your entire world view is scrambled eggs.

I'm open to see what you can make from a cracked egg.



and Skull-I find what you say about the Indian Nations VERY offensive.

How am I being offensive, when you sort of agree what I've said is correct.

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Yes-they went to war. Like you said-we all have. But genocide was not they're goal.

Then why rape the females from an opposing tribe? Isn't the act of rape a form of genocide to that tribe?










Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 12, 2016, 12:06:51 PM
I voted early today and voted against Trump. Before making it official my first thought was that all the presidential candidates suck as I looked at my ballot.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: claws on October 12, 2016, 12:26:16 PM
Why did Trump tell his supporters to vote on November 28th? That is so bizarre.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 12, 2016, 12:38:18 PM
Why did Trump tell his supporters to vote on November 28th? That is so bizarre.

I think Indy was chanting 28, 28... vote for Trump on the 28... *evil laugh*  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 12, 2016, 01:22:53 PM
http://youtu.be/4vg8-VdGTQU (http://youtu.be/4vg8-VdGTQU)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 12, 2016, 02:57:55 PM
..and you still dont get it. It's not about anti Hillary. It's about BOTH.

It's about repeating Obama 3rd term. Hillary and Sanders would be a repeat of Obama.  

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I dont support Hillary-

I hear you and Indy saying the same crap but you guys never get into details.



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but WHY? WHY??? Do you support Trump-Tell me why!

[X] Anti-Establishment. We get to see the fake republicans come out of the closet.
[X] Makes the press accountable and takes it to them for screwing around.
[X] Call Terrorist by name and will stop the flood of Muslims (Muslims that maybe be soldiers of ISIS)
[X] Will appoint Constitutionally sound judges to the Supreme Court!
[X] The first republican that told urban Black population that the mess they in is because they keep voting for the same crap [democrats] - in some cases over 50 years! [This alone is worth for any vote!]
[X] We could get gridlock (which means government stops pushing s**t)
[X] Stop the Iran Nuke deal... This is a treaty and should be treated as a treaty.
[X] Build a WALL... Something that should had been done in the 1990's. It's not just the physical structure but we need to get a control on immigration.
[X] End Healthcare.
[X] Thinks Global Warming is a Joke.
[X] He suggested in giving Disable Soldiers medial cards. Our vets don't need to go to some BS military clinic and sit on a long ass waiting list to be treated.
[X] Start a special prosecutor to look into the Hillary's Email Scandal and the FBI for failing on the investigation. [Although I do believe Obama will give Hillary a pardon card]
[X] Protect Gun rights; Hillary will end the second amendment. She said she would do it by executive order to end it. I believe she will, because she would have the judges on her side.

There is much more... :)


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All you do,Skull is cut down Hillary

Sorry but somebody has to... I doubt you would know 1/3 of the crap she did if I didn't post it.





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on October 12, 2016, 03:23:05 PM
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  She said she would do it by executive order to end it. I believe she will, because she would have the judges on her side.


The president's executive orders can't override amendments, so I assume you mean it will defacto eliminate it. What exactly did she say she'd do?

I am actually fairly strongly in favor of gun rights - this is an honest question. Searching yields results talking about her using an executive order to add universal background checks and possibly opening up firearms companies to lawsuits again. I also remember her talking about blocking people on the No Fly list from purchases, which I think is a terrible idea especially as precedent - almost certainly unconstitutional too (eliminates due process).

Is there more I don't know about?  I am default skeptical now when people say a democrat is trying to ban all guns or some such thing. They said that about Obama for 8 straight years of record breaking sales of guns and ammo, while he did almost nothing I'm aware of except be annoying with ammo imports and licensing for gunsmiths.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Zapranoth on October 12, 2016, 03:52:14 PM
Skull, you think global warming is all made up?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 12, 2016, 10:07:55 PM

The president's executive orders can't override amendments, so I assume you mean it will defacto eliminate it. What exactly did she say she'd do? I am actually fairly strongly in favor of gun rights - this is an honest question.


Currently it's on a recent Wikileaks Release. But I've been hearing this little rumor for almost a year.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/07/wikileaks-release-hillary-clinton-press-secretary-says-gun-control-implemented-executive-order/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/07/wikileaks-release-hillary-clinton-press-secretary-says-gun-control-implemented-executive-order/)


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Searching yields results talking about her using an executive order to add universal background checks and possibly opening up firearms companies to lawsuits again. I also remember her talking about blocking people on the No Fly list from purchases, which I think is a terrible idea especially as precedent - almost certainly unconstitutional too (eliminates due process).


Yep...


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Is there more I don't know about?

Intelligence guided by experience…

Here is what we do know:
Healthcare is an unconstitutional law that seemed to pass into law because the judges are radical; therefore I see no evidence that the judges (with an additional new radical judge) will stop Hillary from executive order madness. I see no evidence that the current republicans attempted in balancing the current president (Obama), therefore I have strong doubts they would do Jack s**t to Hillary.

So yes, I do strongly believe that Hillary will stack the judges. She will use executive orders to abolish the second amendment and make the courts decide.

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I am default skeptical now when people say a democrat is trying to ban all guns or some such thing. They said that about Obama for 8 straight years of record breaking sales of guns and ammo, while he did almost nothing I'm aware of except be annoying with ammo imports and licensing for gunsmiths.


I totally agree with this skeptical view. But that was before we got the Healthcare bill passed into law on Christmas Eve and Easter Eve and a supreme court that rewrote the law to declare it constructional. And now we have the FBI saying that Hillary obstruct justice yet the FBI also said they find no reason to charge her.  


I've always thought Demolition Man (1993) was an awesome action movie; but we are becoming to that reality. Now I see Demolition Man a gimps into our future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B5v6QZ5R3g (http://youtu.be/0B5v6QZ5R3g)


Skull, you think global warming is all made up?

Yeah it’s made up. Global Warming is the same anti-American propaganda like the Columbus hate that AHD spewed. If global warming is real than why not every industrialized country plays by the same rules. The worst offender is China.  You should look into Mount St. Helens eruption and the effects it cause.





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 13, 2016, 11:32:19 AM
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Skull, you think global warming is all made up?
Yeah it’s made up. Global Warming is the same anti-American propaganda like the Columbus hate that AHD spewed. If global warming is real than why not every industrialized country plays by the same rules. The worst offender is China.  You should look into Mount St. Helens eruption and the effects it cause.
Blah blah blah.  "Anti-American"?  Columbus wasn't here to found the United States; he happened to find a whole world of resources to loot and peoples to be enslaved. 
You swallow whatever arch conservative hacks throw out, yet, understand NONE of it, and cannot keep a single thought in your head. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 13, 2016, 12:05:46 PM
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Skull, you think global warming is all made up?
Yeah it’s made up. Global Warming is the same anti-American propaganda like the Columbus hate that AHD spewed. If global warming is real than why not every industrialized country plays by the same rules. The worst offender is China.  You should look into Mount St. Helens eruption and the effects it cause.
Blah blah blah.  "Anti-American"?  Columbus wasn't here to found the United States; he happened to find a whole world of resources to loot and peoples to be enslaved. 
You swallow whatever arch conservative hacks throw out, yet, understand NONE of it, and cannot keep a single thought in your head. 


Go back in time and assassinate Columbus and see if we are posting messages!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 13, 2016, 05:01:53 PM
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q#)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 13, 2016, 05:17:48 PM
...

Skull, you think global warming is all made up?
Yeah it’s made up. Global Warming is the same anti-American propaganda like the Columbus hate that AHD spewed. If global warming is real than why not every industrialized country plays by the same rules. The worst offender is China.  You should look into Mount St. Helens eruption and the effects it cause.
Blah blah blah.  "Anti-American"?  Columbus wasn't here to found the United States; he happened to find a whole world of resources to loot and peoples to be enslaved. 
You swallow whatever arch conservative hacks throw out, yet, understand NONE of it, and cannot keep a single thought in your head. 


Go back in time and assassinate Columbus and see if we are posting messages!
That makes no sense, which of course I can at least believe you understand.  We are both here and who knows what direction world history would have taken had Columbus done otherwise?   We are here, he was here, that all being history.  The great benefit of history is the opportunity to learn. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 13, 2016, 05:55:14 PM

That makes no sense, which of course I can at least believe you understand.  We are both here and who knows what direction world history would have taken had Columbus done otherwise?   We are here, he was here, that all being history.  The great benefit of history is the opportunity to learn. 

I don't understand your hate with Columbus, unless your trolling.

Sure what followed after the discovery of the new world didn't go smoothly, but back in those days the general population thought the world was flat. The church thought the world was flat. The world of god said the world was flat. Saying something else would put you to death. That's the reality, especially during the Spanish Inquisition. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on October 13, 2016, 11:55:29 PM

That makes no sense, which of course I can at least believe you understand.  We are both here and who knows what direction world history would have taken had Columbus done otherwise?   We are here, he was here, that all being history.  The great benefit of history is the opportunity to learn. 

I don't understand your hate with Columbus, unless your trolling.

Sure what followed after the discovery of the new world didn't go smoothly, but back in those days the general population thought the world was flat. The church thought the world was flat. The world of god said the world was flat. Saying something else would put you to death. That's the reality, especially during the Spanish Inquisition. 

He's just saying Columbus is an awful human being and therefore doesn't deserve any kind of veneration beyond acknowledgement of his historical importance.  He's certainly worth remembering and discussing in context, but I don't understand why thinking a rapist slaver is awful is "hating". 

As an aside, you may find this of interest. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 14, 2016, 05:57:46 AM

That makes no sense, which of course I can at least believe you understand.  We are both here and who knows what direction world history would have taken had Columbus done otherwise?   We are here, he was here, that all being history.  The great benefit of history is the opportunity to learn. 

I don't understand your hate with Columbus, unless your trolling.

Sure what followed after the discovery of the new world didn't go smoothly, but back in those days the general population thought the world was flat. The church thought the world was flat. The world of god said the world was flat. Saying something else would put you to death. That's the reality, especially during the Spanish Inquisition. 

He's just saying Columbus is an awful human being and therefore doesn't deserve any kind of veneration beyond acknowledgement of his historical importance.  He's certainly worth remembering and discussing in context, but I don't understand why thinking a rapist slaver is awful is "hating". 

The Great Wall of China and the pyramids were built by Rapist and Slavers. That was how the world was. From mining salt, building castles and designing ships - these were all created by Rapist Slaver. There is no great creation, great design, great discovery, great accomplishment that was made from the caveman to the 1800's without blood of slaves. If we are going to judge Columbus than we should judge it all. But we don't because the judgement of Columbus is based on Anti-American Hate Propaganda.

The importance of Columbus wasn't just the discovery of the new world but he open door of modern science to the church.

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As an aside, you may find this of interest. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth)

I know there is a Flat Earth Society... I'll check it out :)



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 14, 2016, 09:29:31 AM
more to the point we don't really do any Columbus stuff as a culture. The pilgrims to the Constitution is more America than whatever Columbus did which seems to be a hodge podge of evil and random acts. The idea that he "discovered" America is an old racist notion that the people here were dark skinned and therefore non people.


Also, for all the hand wringing about trump most people agree he won the GOP primary debates and the second though not the first debate. Maybe THAT'S why his supporters like him, not because blue collar white people are horrible or because Russians are hacking the DNC and revealing what the little people shouldn't know about how the sausage is made. Occum's razor as they say.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 14, 2016, 11:05:50 AM
Skull-we get it-Egypt,American Indians,Chinese,Vikings-blah blah blah-all used horrifying tactics and racism was accepted as a non issue.
But it's NOT NOW.  And Trump is an egoist racist misogynist .
And global warming is a FACT. Dam-get your head out of the sand. "Anti-American"? How is it anti american-that statement makes no sense. All you do is spout party line propaganda-you back NOTHING up with actual facts-unless it comes out of Rush Limburger's mouth-a pill popping radio show shmuck.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 14, 2016, 12:46:08 PM
Skull-we get it-Egypt,American Indians,Chinese,Vikings-blah blah blah-all used horrifying tactics and racism was accepted as a non issue.

You don't get it. Slavery was part of the history of the world. Good... Bad... Evil... It was part of history. If your going to discount Columbus actions because of slavery than you must discount everything else.


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But it's NOT NOW.  And Trump is an egoist racist misogynist.

Hillary lied to the FBI. FBI said she lied and didn't charge her. Therefore Hillary is above the law...

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And global warming is a FACT. Dam-get your head out of the sand. "Anti-American"? How is it anti american-that statement makes no sense. All you do is spout party line propaganda-you back NOTHING up with actual facts-unless it comes out of Rush Limburger's mouth-a pill popping radio show shmuck.

Global Warming is not science. Global Warming is a cult religion, hiding behind scientists looking for federal funding. (follow the money).

Here is why Global Warming is fake:

[X] The Sun is not factored.
[X] Sun spots are not factor.
[X] Solar Flares are not factor.
[X] Earth's orbit is assumed to be a fix orbit.
[X] The Moon and it's orbit and distortion with the sun is not factored.
[X] The measurement of water vapor, please note that 2/3 of the earth's surface is covered by water.
[X] Not every country is doing their part in the controlling their pollution.


You should look into Mount St. Helens eruption and the effects it cause.


Rush believes Global Warming is fake because it's based on a consensus of scientist. I sort of agree with that too, this is why it's a cult religion.


Why is Global Warming a cult religion?

[X] Holiday - Earth Day.
[X] Faith - We believe the consensus of scientist and computer programs. Unanswerable questions is corrected with climate change or other such arguments.  
[X] Sacrifice - Willing to forsake progress to save the planet.
[X] Oppression - Speaking against Global Warming. Only the rich can afford their own carbon footprints (Carbon Tax?).
[X] God - Earth.


Follow the money.





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 14, 2016, 07:09:49 PM
 :lookingup:   :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 14, 2016, 10:39:32 PM
I am warming up my "I told you so!!" speech for November 9.
Gads, this week has been like watching slow motion footage of a train wreck slowly being accelerated to real time . . . Trump could not run off moderates, women, and minorities faster if he tried!
If he keeps this up, he may well become the first Republican to lose TEXAS - for crying out loud! - since Gerald Ford in 1976.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 15, 2016, 10:02:49 AM
I'll remember this election for the unbelievable amounts of self righteousness and sanctimony. more people have been "shaken to their core" than during any genocide or famine


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: claws on October 15, 2016, 01:22:36 PM
I'll remember this election for the unbelievable amounts of self righteousness and sanctimony. more people have been "shaken to their core" than during any genocide or famine

 :thumbup:

Politics brings out the ugly in people. This election was the ugliest by far, it even topped the racist spewing hatred towards Obama on social media back then. It's amazing how far supporters for "their" future president will go on the internet (or in real life). Getting riled up and angry, and yeah, so full of deep primitive ugly hate. It's scary.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on October 15, 2016, 05:05:18 PM
Time for something on the lighter side.

http://youtu.be/ntG3CA1PTrs (http://youtu.be/ntG3CA1PTrs)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 16, 2016, 05:57:58 AM
Wow-that was great. Thanx,Rev!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 16, 2016, 07:12:28 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 16, 2016, 07:13:29 PM
I think that God gave us a good Dallas Cowboys season to make up for this horrible political season.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 17, 2016, 02:14:07 PM
Someone/people firebombed the hell out of a Republican office in North Carolina.

The two responses to this is exactly why I voted against Trump.

Trump blamed people on the left for it and Clinton said this isn't how we settle our differences.

Oh, and the left donated a ton of money to help reopen the office.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoerner/democrats-raised-money-to-reopen-republican-office?bffbmain&utm_term=.eaE51Qk4W#.ff5V2wvJE (https://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoerner/democrats-raised-money-to-reopen-republican-office?bffbmain&utm_term=.eaE51Qk4W#.ff5V2wvJE)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on October 17, 2016, 03:32:37 PM

"Someone/people firebombed the hell out of a Republican office in North Carolina.

The two responses to this is exactly why I voted against Trump.

Trump blamed people on the left for it and Clinton said this isn't how we settle our differences.

Oh, and the left donated a ton of money to help reopen the office".


If this had happened to a democrate office, im sure she wouldnt have blamed the "alt-right- fringe-extremist-rascist-sexist-homophobic-islamaphobic-bigoted-deplorables. This is exactly how she settled our differences with khadafi. Spray painting nazi and swaztikas on the office of the party that is of the man called "hitler" and a nazi. Sycophantic democrates would never stoop to this level. It was a nice gesture of them to RAISE money for them though.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ER on October 17, 2016, 04:34:57 PM
Today I typed in "Presidential Election Polls" into Bing, and what came up was a nearly full screen announcement that:

"BING PREDICTS AN 87.5% CHANCE THAT HILLARY CLINTON WILL BE ELECTED PRESIDENT."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 17, 2016, 04:37:31 PM


If this had happened to a democrate office, im sure she wouldnt have blamed the "alt-right- fringe-extremist-rascist-sexist-homophobic-islamaphobic-bigoted-deplorables. This is exactly how she settled our differences with khadafi. Spray painting nazi and swaztikas on the office of the party that is of the man called "hitler" and a nazi. Sycophantic democrates would never stoop to this level.

There are crazy people and they will do crazy stuff. I had not heard much about the fire bombing but I'm assuming nobody got hurt because there was so little talk about it.


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It was a nice gesture of them to RAISE money for them though.

Yeah, just like when the mob gives flowers widow for her dead husband that they gunned down.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on October 18, 2016, 12:37:48 AM
This election season is like a bad episode of Jerry Springer, or is it a good episode?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 18, 2016, 06:25:19 AM
This election season is like a bad episode of Jerry Springer, or is it a good episode?

I don't understand why everybody seemed to forget the last election. The media made it look like Romney hate animals, gays, women (banning birthcontrol), employees and cheated on his taxes.

Herman Cain had have a s**t load of women coming out of the woodwork and accused sexual misconduct (it came out they LIED! But Herman had drop off the primary and hire a PI.)

Then we seemed to forget the election before that - The media made Sarah Palin the biggest redneck dunce to run for vice president. And the media made it look like that McCain was on life-support and he’s about to die. Oddly the old guy is still alive and running for re-election.

Oh, what about when Bush was in office?

I see the same crap every damn election. The difference is that Trump fights back!


I think the biggest issue is Hillary. Sure there some dirt on Obama, the media brushed off the dirt and nobody seemed to know that he spent 20 years in a Anti-American church, he started to run for president in the house of a weather underground 'Bill Ayers' or that Obama's only bill he voted on and pushed was the death of an aborted baby that survived the process...  But Hillary is covered in mud and it's so damn hard for the media to brush off MUD.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: dean on October 18, 2016, 08:41:50 AM
This election season is like a bad episode of Jerry Springer, or is it a good episode?

I see the same crap every damn election. The difference is that Trump fights back!



Well he does kind of feed the media beast like no other candidate before. As a non-American I can tell you the rest of the world is pretty much thinking this is the craziest US election in a while and its gotta be at least 90% because of Trump. Doesn't help that its much more of an internet age now and information is presented in a much more rabid and immediate way than previously either. Each election is unique in its way. This one is going down as one for the history books regardless of outcome.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on October 18, 2016, 10:22:17 AM
This is an election unlike any other. We are witnessing a coordinated media offense on trump. Yeah, I know most of you dont support trump and he is flawed. It is blatantly obvious that all of these media outlets and republican "opposition" are working together to stop trump. They have all rallied behind clinton because she simply represents their interests, not ours. Our current president, first lady, and vice president are campaigning hard to support hillary instead of doing their jobs. The collusion and corruption is in your face, if you cant see it, it is because you dont want to see it. "May the chains sit lightly upon you."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 18, 2016, 10:54:41 AM
This is an election unlike any other. We are witnessing a coordinated media offense on trump. Yeah, I know most of you dont support trump and he is flawed. It is blatantly obvious that all of these media outlets and republican "opposition" are working together to stop trump. They have all rallied behind clinton because she simply represents their interests, not ours. Our current president, first lady, and vice president are campaigning hard to support hillary instead of doing their jobs. The collusion and corruption is in your face, if you cant see it, it is because you dont want to see it. "May the chains sit lightly upon you."

It baffles my mind that people think Hillary is less worst than Trump, even though she lied to the FBI and the FBI said she lied. How could anybody trust that? Has anybody lied to the FBI and not go to jail? Has anybody lied to the Police and not get in trouble? Lied to the Judge? Yet, all I see is Hillary is above the law and people are voting for a president that makes Nixon scandal child's play.

I love the fact that somebody exposed Hillary working with super packs (which is against the law) to cause violence against Trump supporters. But the media won't expose that... I think the media would like to cover a talking horse that thinks Trump fondled him in Vegas.  :lookingup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 18, 2016, 11:05:11 AM
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0#)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 18, 2016, 12:44:23 PM
trumps outrageous persona has scared people so much that they're overlooking some of the stuff about Hillary. I haven't been keeping up on the various leaks but some of them have been pretty crazy

here's something to ponder https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/481


"On Saudi Arabia, Fischer points out that if Iran develops nuclear weaponry the Saudis already have their own bomb. The Saudis invested in Pakistan's nuclear weaponry partly for this eventuality; that's their bomb in reserve."

so Hillary, and it can be assumed our government, understand that Saudi Arabia ALREADY HAS WMD via a futures contract of sorts with Pakistan


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 18, 2016, 10:19:48 PM
http://youtu.be/PSKQ3ZNQ_O8 (http://youtu.be/PSKQ3ZNQ_O8)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 19, 2016, 03:05:25 AM
This is an election unlike any other. We are witnessing a coordinated media offense on trump. Yeah, I know most of you dont support trump and he is flawed. It is blatantly obvious that all of these media outlets and republican "opposition" are working together to stop trump. They have all rallied behind clinton because she simply represents their interests, not ours. Our current president, first lady, and vice president are campaigning hard to support hillary instead of doing their jobs. The collusion and corruption is in your face, if you cant see it, it is because you dont want to see it. "May the chains sit lightly upon you."

It baffles my mind that people think Hillary is less worst than Trump, even though she lied to the FBI and the FBI said she lied. How could anybody trust that? Has anybody lied to the FBI and not go to jail? Has anybody lied to the Police and not get in trouble? Lied to the Judge? Yet, all I see is Hillary is above the law and people are voting for a president that makes Nixon scandal child's play.


I love the fact that somebody exposed Hillary working with super packs (which is against the law) to cause violence against Trump supporters. But the media won't expose that... I think the media would like to cover a talking horse that thinks Trump fondled him in Vegas.  :lookingup:

I love the fact that you dont think for yourself and let Rush Limburger do it for you-I love that fact. That baffles me. Yeah-Hillary is awful-Trump is an idiot millionaire,-his only credentials is he's f**king RICH and a loud mouth. If you really think-anything that comes out of his mouth is truthful-yer a fool. Trump is for Trump-thats it.He's an idiot. Yeah-we all want to shake s**t up-but Trump? I would vote for Jesse Ventura first! Actually-I wish Jesse did run! Trumps a liar-waaay b-ya know what? Im done. if you cant figure it out-f**k it. BYE.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 19, 2016, 03:34:00 AM
Skull-ah f**k it,man. I may as well be talking to a selfish brat who swallows anything that fits his selfish brat veiw. Brats. Brats-Entiteled brats.. More money than brains.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on October 19, 2016, 03:40:08 AM
This is an election unlike any other. We are witnessing a coordinated media offense on trump. Yeah, I know most of you dont support trump and he is flawed. It is blatantly obvious that all of these media outlets and republican "opposition" are working together to stop trump. They have all rallied behind clinton because she simply represents their interests, not ours. Our current president, first lady, and vice president are campaigning hard to support hillary instead of doing their jobs. The collusion and corruption is in your face, if you cant see it, it is because you dont want to see it. "May the chains sit lightly upon you."

Hahaha.
Trump blasts the 'media". Trump IS the media! Trump blasts the "media"? He IS the media! GODDAM! TV guy! Big mouth! WHY can't folks SEE hes a phony TV guy?? WTF??? Are people so blinded by cable TV???


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 19, 2016, 08:49:39 AM


I love the fact that you dont think for yourself and let Rush Limburger do it for you-I love that fact. That baffles me.

I'm baffled that you seemed annoyed that I do listen to Rush's show. As for the thinking like Rush... Rush is the Mayor of Realville... I'm the Governor of Realville. His thoughts are centered on Conservatism, but I'm a realist, Conservatism is an epic fail because the Republicans bastardized the term and usage to the point that general public won't know what is conservatism; even if it hits them in the face. What sucked for Conservatism is the number of Americans that has no idea what the Constitution is. If they did Sanders would never be a democratic threat.

My biggest fear was a Sanders vs Trump election because I do believe Sanders would win.


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Yeah-Hillary is awful-

I know that but can you explain why you think she's awful? I asked this question before because I really, really don't believe you. I don't believe Indy when he say's Hillary is awful too.

I know why you guys hate Trump, you had written pages and pages of stuff... but I never hear why you think Hillary is awful...


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Trump is an idiot millionaire,-his only credentials is he's f**king RICH and a loud mouth. If you really think-anything that comes out of his mouth is truthful-yer a fool. Trump is for Trump-thats it.He's an idiot. Yeah-we all want to shake s**t up-but Trump?

This is why I like to know why you think Hillary is awful...  There has been stuff happening during this election that shook the s**t out of Washington, to the point that we can clearly see General NEWS Media working with Hillary; then we have the Democrats and Establishment Republicans all working together to stop Trump. I'm not sure if you noticed this, I'm guessing you didn't.


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I would vote for Jesse Ventura first! Actually-I wish Jesse did run! Trumps a liar-waaay b-ya know what? Im done. if you cant figure it out-f**k it. BYE.

I would love to vote for Jesse Ventura or Stone Cold Steve Austin - but they are not on the ballet. I think it would be awesome that somebody like Stone Cold run for President - but that's a fantasy :)

To me Trump is the next best thing to Stone Cold Steve Austin. :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 19, 2016, 09:50:12 AM
Trumps campaign seems more motivated by love of country than Hillary's. I feel like if she couldn't go to Indonesia and Sweden and be treated like a queen at some opulent state dinner she wouldn't even want to be president.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on October 19, 2016, 10:27:56 AM
Rc;
i love the fact that your facts arent really facts,  and that you are baffled because you let jake tapper think for you. If jesse ventura was running, i would vote for him without hesitation, but he is not an optuon, is he?  Yeah, We all know that trump is an ( expletive),  i believe that i have said that many times myself throughout this thread. Hillary clearly represents the interests of people who are evil and anti-american. As i said before, if you dont see the collusion and corruption, then you are blind or willfully ignorant. Stay baffled, its safer, criticle thought is a terrible burdon.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 19, 2016, 10:29:37 AM
Trumps campaign seems more motivated by love of country than Hillary's. I feel like if she couldn't go to Indonesia and Sweden and be treated like a queen at some opulent state dinner she wouldn't even want to be president.
Trump is running for love of himself.  I live in NJ and have been well aware of his existence long before his reality TV program; he was a tri-state area celebrity sh!thead.  He is a national embarrassment manipulating his followers.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 19, 2016, 11:04:08 AM
I think that's a bit of a knee jerk reaction. He's an egotist, but he's undeniably a populist too. it'd be very easy for him to support the status quo on trade deals and NATO and whatnot but he doesn't. He's at home in the heartland, though he's obviously not OF it. Hillary is the opposite: so thoroughly DC she isn't even recognizable as an American.



I get that there's a "thats how the sausage is made" aspect to supporting her but sometimes you see so much sausage being made you become a vegetarian. She and her inner circle are the most callous, cynical people. Some of the entities she hobnobs with: Saudi Arabia ,Goldman Sachs, etc are like the biggest scumbags on Earth and they basically own her.




they are both ultimately quite villainous, but don't let Trump's overt crudeness obscure Hillary's is all i'm saying.


Is she even aware there's an opioid epidemic? probably doesn't think too much about it more concerned with going to Brazil and hobnobbing with important people there


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 19, 2016, 06:57:55 PM
I don't like either one. 

As unlikeable as Hillary is, Trump is horrendous.  Hillary may be some of these, but Trump is all: self serving, dishonest, childish, egotistical, vulgar, ignorant.  Oh yes a Populist, yet a creature of that same machine he has rocked.  He doesn't want to take down the elite.  He wants to replace them with a royal family, a "new elite".  As stupid and entitled as he is, he gets worse.  We do not need a thin-skinned loudmouthed bigoted sexist to be president. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on October 19, 2016, 09:46:50 PM
"How absurd, said the gnat to the gnu, To spell your queer name as you do! For the matter of that, Said the gnu to the gnat, That’s just as I feel about you." - Oliver Herford

Yeah, this whole...Thing has just been pretty ugly. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on October 20, 2016, 02:49:26 PM
Who was that weird guy that came on right before & right after the debates on the fox network last night?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 20, 2016, 05:32:23 PM
I'm pleased that Trump asked Hillary about partial birth abortion and she was for partial birth abortion... but I guess those 'All I care is how I feel in the mirror' didn't see that.

I do think Trump wins all 3 debates... but we'll find out this November.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 21, 2016, 03:16:20 PM
We'll find out who's delusional.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 23, 2016, 12:45:49 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 23, 2016, 05:16:39 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvfBo8CUAAALIG7.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on October 25, 2016, 11:42:06 PM
The price of obamacare is about to go through the roof, coverage is about to shrivel up, and veterans are being made to give back their paychecks!

Can somebody tell me what's wrong with this picture?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 26, 2016, 05:16:32 AM
The price of obamacare is about to go through the roof, coverage is about to shrivel up, and veterans are being made to give back their paychecks!

Can somebody tell me what's wrong with this picture?


Obamacare is designed to fail so the American people would demand government to fix it and they would come back with a single care program (something that Obama wanted at the first place). The prices were supposed to rise in October 2012, but Obama pulled out his magic wand (an impeachable offence because the president has no such power) and paused the rise of prices - if it did happen in 2012 Obama might not be re-elected.

If you want Obamacare or government single care program - vote for Hillary.

If you want to end the Obamacare rollercoaster - vote for Trump.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 26, 2016, 10:01:08 AM
.............

wut?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%e2%80%98you-are-fascinated-with-sex%e2%80%99-that-megyn-kelly-newt-gingrich-showdown-was-one-for-the-ages/ar-AAjoYsl?ocid=spartandhp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%e2%80%98you-are-fascinated-with-sex%e2%80%99-that-megyn-kelly-newt-gingrich-showdown-was-one-for-the-ages/ar-AAjoYsl?ocid=spartandhp)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on October 26, 2016, 10:46:47 AM
.............

wut?

[url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%e2%80%98you-are-fascinated-with-sex%e2%80%99-that-megyn-kelly-newt-gingrich-showdown-was-one-for-the-ages/ar-AAjoYsl?ocid=spartandhp[/url] ([url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%e2%80%98you-are-fascinated-with-sex%e2%80%99-that-megyn-kelly-newt-gingrich-showdown-was-one-for-the-ages/ar-AAjoYsl?ocid=spartandhp[/url])


Anything to distract from any actual discussion of the policies of either candidate!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on October 26, 2016, 05:25:51 PM
.............

wut?

[url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%e2%80%98you-are-fascinated-with-sex%e2%80%99-that-megyn-kelly-newt-gingrich-showdown-was-one-for-the-ages/ar-AAjoYsl?ocid=spartandhp[/url] ([url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%e2%80%98you-are-fascinated-with-sex%e2%80%99-that-megyn-kelly-newt-gingrich-showdown-was-one-for-the-ages/ar-AAjoYsl?ocid=spartandhp[/url])


If Megan Kelly is so concerned about "The Protection Of Women In The White House", then why is she so rabidly defending  a known protector of a sexual predator?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 26, 2016, 05:59:06 PM
.............

wut?

[url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%e2%80%98you-are-fascinated-with-sex%e2%80%99-that-megyn-kelly-newt-gingrich-showdown-was-one-for-the-ages/ar-AAjoYsl?ocid=spartandhp[/url] ([url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%e2%80%98you-are-fascinated-with-sex%e2%80%99-that-megyn-kelly-newt-gingrich-showdown-was-one-for-the-ages/ar-AAjoYsl?ocid=spartandhp[/url])


If Megan Kelly is so concerned about "The Protection Of Women In The White House", then why is she so rabidly defending  a known protector of a sexual predator?


Megan Kelly is concerned for the stupid women that believed that Romney was going to ban birthcontrol... I remember getting into an argument with my sister back in 2012 (she was an idiot but she was also one of many idiots that believed in the same bullls**t).

As for Trump being a sexual predator... Really? Why don't those people that question Trump look back and read why Herman Cain drop out of the race back in 2012. I think it was s**tty that Herman Cain dropped out and that's why I supported Trump because I know the democraps are going to play the same bulls**t game.


also note if you want to read 100+ page post on this thread, I predicted this game was going to be played.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 26, 2016, 09:25:32 PM
I think Megyn Kelley is an EXCELLENT journalist.  She has done stories on Bill Clinton's outrages; she has even had Juanita Broderick on her show.  When ELEVEN women accuse a Presidential candidate of sexual misconduct - in every case, involving completely unwanted/uninvited groping, touching, etc. - IT IS NEWS.  She is reporting this news.  Bill Clinton is NOT running for President, Trump is.  Just because she's not another mindless Trump shill like Sean Hannity doesn't mean she's campaigning for Hillary.

She's reporting THE NEWS, which is what reporters do.

Gingrich was atrocious.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 26, 2016, 09:42:01 PM
I think Megyn Kelley is an EXCELLENT journalist.  She has done stories on Bill Clinton's outrages; she has even had Juanita Broderick on her show.  When ELEVEN women accuse a Presidential candidate of sexual misconduct - in every case, involving completely unwanted/uninvited groping, touching, etc. - IT IS NEWS.  She is reporting this news.  Bill Clinton is NOT running for President, Trump is.  Just because she's not another mindless Trump shill like Sean Hannity doesn't mean she's campaigning for Hillary.

She's reporting THE NEWS, which is what reporters do.

Gingrich was atrocious.

You da man. 

Plus, trumpet said particular and revolting things about her in "code" so to speak.  I don't think he is a nice person. 
I did not understand this newt thingee, except who didn't see it?   For the moment, the political process is revolting and comic. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on October 26, 2016, 10:03:08 PM
Said it before, and I'll say it again.
Hillary was Bills enabler in chief for eight years, and if she's elected, he'll be riding her coat tails back into the White House.
There is absolutely NO WAY one can remove Slick Willie from this discussion.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 26, 2016, 10:11:47 PM
And I'll say this again:  I don't support Hillary Clinton.  AT ALL.

But if the Republicans had nominated someone respectable and reasonable, instead of this . . . orange mess we picked, we'd be winning, going away.  As it is, Trump is trailing in nearly all the nationwide polls, and may be losing a couple of states that have been reliably red for a long time.

I just hope the GOP learns a lesson from all this when it is done.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 26, 2016, 10:38:51 PM
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-trade-details-563ba7a680a4#.z06n9xm3i

left wing site "debunks" trumps economic views. He wants to leave NAFTA, others like it you can't debunk an opinion guys

"Economists argue many of them aren’t possible."

we can do whatever we want, anyone can how can you say something isn't possible

here's their expert
“NAFTA was a bad thing for American workers, but it’s not clear that pulling out is good for workers.” gee you're not a con artist or anything

regardless of your views on trade... that is just a dumb statement.

also the article says economists plural and it's all one guy

edit: this happened to come from a left wing site it could just as easily appeared in the Wall Street Journal






Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on October 26, 2016, 10:46:30 PM

I just hope the GOP learns a lesson from all this when it is done.

And that lesson should be, that the people are sick of the RINOs, that the people are sick of leaders who are willing to apologize for their antiquated beliefs because they don't want to be called a bunch of derogatory names by the "ENLIGHTENED" set, and we are just plain sick and tired of "GENTLEMEN" who sit back & do nothing when their words are taken grossly out of context and played over & over until they become some sort of junior high school catch phrase as though it's some lost episode of Beavis & Butthead.

We need people who are going to stand up for themselves, and their voters, even if it does mean wrestling with the pigs.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 26, 2016, 11:07:32 PM

I just hope the GOP learns a lesson from all this when it is done.

And that lesson should be, that the people are sick of the RINOs, that the people are sick of leaders who are willing to apologize for their antiquated beliefs because they don't want to be called a bunch of derogatory names by the "ENLIGHTENED" set, and we are just plain sick and tired of "GENTLEMEN" who sit back & do nothing when their words are taken grossly out of context and played over & over until they become some sort of junior high school catch phrase as though it's some lost episode of Beavis & Butthead.

We need people who are going to stand up for themselves, and their voters, even if it does mean wrestling with the pigs.

Don't waste your time with Indy, he has honor and a damn mirror. Hillary wins and he owns it. Pride is bulls**t when we elect a criminal to the white house.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 26, 2016, 11:11:16 PM
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Hillary wins in a landslide, it will be the fault of EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY VOTER who thought you could take an obnoxious moron whom 72% of the American people despise and somehow win the White House with him as your standard bearer.

You can paint a turd with gold and cover it with sugar sprinkles and it is still a TURD.

Trump supporters are to blame for every single horrible liberal second of the upcoming Hillary Clinton presidency.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 27, 2016, 05:44:55 AM
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Hillary wins in a landslide, it will be the fault of EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY VOTER who thought you could take an obnoxious moron whom 72% of the American people despise and somehow win the White House with him as your standard bearer.

You can paint a turd with gold and cover it with sugar sprinkles and it is still a TURD.

Trump supporters are to blame for every single horrible liberal second of the upcoming Hillary Clinton presidency.

No if Hillary wins it's because of the Never Trumpers! I'm so sorry but nobody drives in the middle of the god damn road. You are in one side or the other side of the road. Hillary or Trump is going to be president! There is no Micky Mouse, no Cthulhu, no 3rd god damn party winner. It's Trump or Hillary.

If you don't like Trump then vote for Hillary. If you don't Hillary vote for Trump. I won't be upset if you voted for Hillary (I know you owned it).

Sorry but you cannot say you hate both and not own consequences. I've talked about this and all I got is you have honor and a god damn Mirror. I'm sorry but that don't mean s**t if Hillary wins. Unless you want Hillary to win.

Please Indy, I've asked you a million times... what is the worst that Trump will do? What is this Turd compared to somebody that made Watergate look like child-play.

What you don't get it don't matter who the Republicans pick they all will look like Turds. Even Reagan was viewed as a Turd; and that is historical fact. Republicans had been looking like Turds way way before FDR was president.


Liberals are going to vote for Hillary. I cannot make sense of Liberals because they have a warped view of the Constitution and American Politics. But Indy I don't see you as a Liberal, I see you as a Never Trumper... And right now the Never Trumpers seemed to be the worst because they all want to walk in the middle of the god damn road. And instead of helping to fix the problem they are causing a bigger problem. Trump seemed to answer everything that a Conservative wants but you never Trumpers see him as a Turd.  Life sucks, I've started voting since 1988 and every republican from 1988 to 2012 I'd voted for I held my nose. Even though I hate Jeb Bush I would vote for that Idiot too. Sure my vote is soiled, but when I look in the mirror every night and I know I tried.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 27, 2016, 06:54:45 AM
The worst thing Trump can do??

WORLD WAR 3.  The man has no self-control, a hot temper, and a thin skin.  He can't take criticism from an opposition journalist without going on a 2 AM Twitter rant; what's he going to do if China's PM snubs him at a diplomatic summit?

Hillary Clinton will bequeath us a damaged country; Trump could well leave us a nuclear ravaged world!

And - yes, he says everything a conservative wants to hear.  Doesn't that strike you as just a bit ODD from a man who never espoused a single conservative position until this election year?  HE'S LYING.  He does it all the time, it's documented.  He flips policy positions, denies things today that he said yesterday, he throws out whatever he thinks his cheering mobs want to hear.  I don't even think HE knows what he really thinks.

And if you compare Trump to Reagan one more time I think I will barf! :hatred:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 27, 2016, 08:34:40 AM
The worst thing Trump can do??

WORLD WAR 3.  The man has no self-control, a hot temper, and a thin skin.  He can't take criticism from an opposition journalist without going on a 2 AM Twitter rant; what's he going to do if China's PM snubs him at a diplomatic summit?

Any proof? I heard a lot of world war 3 BS when Reagan was running for president and that didn't happen. When Goldwater was running for president there was WW3 fear.

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Hillary Clinton will bequeath us a damaged country; Trump could well leave us a nuclear ravaged world!

We do have more evidence that Hillary will start World War 3, because she supports the Iran Nuke Deal. Iran is going to nuke the Jews. I don't even know why anybody agreed to this Iran Nuke Deal.  Also, when Hillary was Secretary of State she sold 1/5 of the American Uranium to Russia.

Yet you want to believe that Trump will start WW3...

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And - yes, he says everything a conservative wants to hear.  Doesn't that strike you as just a bit ODD from a man who never espoused a single conservative position until this election year?  HE'S LYING.  He does it all the time, it's documented.  He flips policy positions, denies things today that he said yesterday, he throws out whatever he thinks his cheering mobs want to hear.  I don't even think HE knows what he really thinks.

The only thing that strikes me a bit odd is how you 'never trumpers' think. His policy positions had not changed, he wants to build a wall, he wants to create term limits, he wants to do something with NAFTA (good or bad is debatable), he wants to make sure Hillary face criminal actions, and he wants to nominate a Constitutional Judge.

If anything... the Judge should be an eye opener for the Never Trumper... That's what I find odd. So you are throwing away a Constitutional Judge for a Hillary pick...  :lookingup:

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And if you compare Trump to Reagan one more time I think I will barf! :hatred:

Maybe you should listen to the old News reports on Reagan Presidential election - yes it mirrors Trump's Election. It's hard to believe but Reagan wasn't supposed to win in 1980.


Reagan wasn't perfect president. He made 2 major mistakes.

1, Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.

2, George H. W. Bush was his Vice President  



Be honest... you want Hillary for president because you feel comfy with what's going on and your afraid of real change. I could understand that. Change is scary.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 27, 2016, 09:05:50 AM
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We do have more evidence that Hillary will start World War 3, because she supports the Iran Nuke Deal.

the Iran nuke deal was a peace deal. it lifted sanctions deterring us from the path that led to the disasterous Iraq war, which btw Hillary supported and trump opposed.

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Iran is going to nuke the Jews.

you know there are thousands of Jews that live in Iran right?

NONE of israel's neighbors like it that's just the way it is. To the people in the region it's a western colony. That will never ever change. and it's israel's right to defend itself. THEIR right, not ours. (Why any sane person would want to live in the middle east is beyond me but they can have at it if they think theres a way it will work out. )

more the point: Iran is not going to launch a nuclear missile attack against the US. No one thinks they will and they'd be destroyed before they even thought of it, so us being at war or on a path to war with them makes no sense.

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Also, when Hillary was Secretary of State she sold 1/5 of the American Uranium to Russia.

good the cold war is over we should have good relations with Russia. rather the contrary, it's Hillary who is tryign to stop them from backing Assad who is fighting ISIS. The state dept and CIA are blatantly supporting al queda affiliated fighters in Syria it's a total betrayal. These are the people who commited 9/11 and other atrocities against the US.

Trump has said repeatedly he wants good relations with russia and has decried the wars of past administrations. He's the peace candidate. "America First" that says it all


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Reagan wasn't perfect president. He made 2 major mistakes.

Reagan himself felt his biggest mistake was sending US marines to Lebanon and i would tend to agree


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 27, 2016, 09:10:06 AM
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We do have more evidence that Hillary will start World War 3, because she supports the Iran Nuke Deal.

the Iran nuke deal was a peace deal.

Anybody telling that is lying.

Fact, Iran has no nukes.

Fact, the Iran nuke deal is a pathway for Iran to have a Nuke.

There is nothing peaceful about it.



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On 19 July 2015, while speaking at a mosque in Tehran, Khamenei said to his supporters that the policies of the United States in the region were "180 degrees" opposed to Iran’s political and religious movement. The speech was punctuated by chants of "Death to America" and "Death to Israel". Khamenei said in regards to the 2015 nuclear deal that "Even after this deal our policy towards the arrogant U.S. will not change."

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On 10 September 2015, in a speech about Israel after agreement on the nuclear program of Iran, Khamenei made a remark "Israel will not exist in 25 years".


Yep and we are giving them a pathway for a nuke...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 27, 2016, 10:11:08 AM
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Fact, Iran has no nukes.

Fact, the Iran nuke deal is a pathway for Iran to have a Nuke.

they would have a nuclear program regardless of whether we have oversight of it or not

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Khamenei made a remark "Israel will not exist in 25 years".

again, it's Israels right to defend itself if they feel threatened by this. They have no right to be liked by their neighbors.

Israel was created in 1948 by driving out the people who lived there, much like our country was created by driving out/ displacing the Indians. Unfortunately  for them they are surrounded by a billion "Indians". I'm not supporting or opposing them I'm simply stating their situation. People in Jordan, Saudi arabia, Iraq and elsewhere feel exactly the same way read any poll, talk to any Muslim person.

Iran and Syria are terrible countries but they are not a threat to the United States, at least not to the extent that ISIS and Al Queda are. not even close. neither was Saddam Hussein.

When you hear of a terrorist attack in Europe or even here in the US do you think iran? of course not you think ISIS.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on October 27, 2016, 12:21:20 PM
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it lifted sanctions deterring us from the path that led to the disasterous Iraq war, which btw Hillary supported and trump opposed.


Trump's recorded statements on it before the invasion are wishy-washy at best, mildly supportive at worst.  He wasn't in a position of political power though, so I actually don't hold this against him personally.  He said at one point he'd be for it (on Howard Stern), then at other times was more reticent.  The only vocal opposition or criticism anyone can quote is from over a year after the invasion.

It looks to me like Hillary was going with the political tide on it, and that was foolish. 

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Any proof? I heard a lot of world war 3 BS when Reagan was running for president and that didn't happen. When Goldwater was running for president there was WW3 fear.


Trump said he'd use military action against the Iranian military for gestures. 

Quote from: Donald J. Trump
“When Iran, when they circle our beautiful destroyers with their little boats, and they make gestures at our people that they shouldn’t be allowed to make, they will be shot out of the water,”

The full context if it matters
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/09/trump_if_iran_harasses_us_ships_they_will_be_shot_out_of_the_water.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/09/trump_if_iran_harasses_us_ships_they_will_be_shot_out_of_the_water.html)

I realize this wouldn't literally start World War 3 alone...  But a person who'd even talk about doing such an action while running for head-of-state is someone I could never trust in any position with any sort of military capability, let alone essentially unilateral nuclear capability.  It's an instant disqualification.

The best excuse I hear is he was talking in the context of repeated posturing by the Iranian military (though I recall they literally made rude gestures at US ships, I believe that's what he is actually referring to), or he was just rallying his base, or some such BS.  I don't care.  It doesn't matter. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 27, 2016, 12:33:28 PM
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The only vocal opposition or criticism anyone can quote is from over a year after the invasion.

thats pretty early though. It was still pretty taboo to be anti war at that time. hard to imagine now

I wouldn't bet the farm on him being a principled opponent of the Iraq war before the war, but the point is Hillary while less "think skinned" is probably more actually likely to get us involved in a conflict.

Her handiwork in libya speaks for itself. that place is a total disaster run by people who want to destroy our country and the entire human race as far as anyone can tell. Was it worth it to get rid of momar gaddafi, a ridiculous defanged dictator/ relic from the bygone arab nationalist era?




I get Indiana's point that Trump is unhinged though he obviously is.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 27, 2016, 02:39:04 PM

again, it's Israels right to defend itself if they feel threatened by this. They have no right to be liked by their neighbors.


Yeah, that makes sense... you have a gang leader for a neighbor, the police gives him a gun... and if you feel threaten by the gang leader you must do something.


This threat will never happen if Iran is not getting a path to a nuke.  Sorry but I don't trust a religion that has followers that are willing to blow themselves up for 72 virgins.


@laster1/2jr - at least I do hear both sides of the coin coming from you :)


@JimH - Sometimes you need to take a stand. I don't see anything wrong with Trump's comment.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 27, 2016, 03:52:04 PM
Good news less then 2 weeks to go  :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 27, 2016, 06:54:16 PM
What you consider Reagan's mistakes I consider two of his wisest decisions.  GHW Bush was a good and decent man and a great President; he deserved a second term IMO. 
And frankly, the GOP didn't start losing Presidential elections until the far right started demagoguing on illegal immigration!

There simply aren't enough angry white men in America for the party to win with that vote alone anymore.  The GOP MUST broaden its appeal to women and Latinos if it is to carry the White House again.

Trump, with his irresponsible rhetoric, alienates too many of both.

But I do agree I am ready for this to be OVER WITH!!!!!!!!!!!!   :teddyr:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on October 27, 2016, 07:24:48 PM
Well, Oprah finally opened up her craw & made it clear she's joining the "Hold y'r Nose & Vote" crowd.
The reasons she gave sound a phony as the handbag story.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 27, 2016, 07:44:53 PM
Skull - again, my point is that there is no evidence/ belief in anyones circles that Iran would attack the continental united states with a missile of nuclear or any other sort. Israel and their nieghbors have quite a headache with all this but that's a different issue.  I challenge you to find someone who believes that an attack by iran on the US is a  genuine risk we face.

 I live near Boston and have seen women in burkas and walking behind their husbands and so forth I have no illusions about Islam.

also I mis posted this

http://youtu.be/YY-CiPVo_NQ (http://youtu.be/YY-CiPVo_NQ)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 27, 2016, 07:49:37 PM
What you consider Reagan's mistakes I consider two of his wisest decisions.  GHW Bush was a good and decent man and a great President; he deserved a second term IMO.

GHW Bush did everything to undermined the term Conservatism. He is the reason why nobody knows what is a Conservative.


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And frankly, the GOP didn't start losing Presidential elections until the far right started demagoguing on illegal immigration!

You mean 'Read my lips no new taxes' had nothing to do about it...

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There simply aren't enough angry white men in America for the party to win with that vote alone anymore.

Boy are you brainwashed too...


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The GOP MUST broaden its appeal to women and Latinos if it is to carry the White House again.

And they broaden this by getting the Democrats more voters? Please note that the Reagan Latinos voted Democrat. Also, I'm sick and tired of hearing that we NEED to bring in dumb 3rd world workers to do the job that lazy Americans don't want to do. NEWS FLASH - slavery is over! If your playing people under the minimum wage than your hiring slaves!

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Trump, with his irresponsible rhetoric, alienates too many of both.

The truth hurts...

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But I do agree I am ready for this to be OVER WITH!!!!!!!!!!!!   :teddyr:

Awesome the world is going to end - we agree!!!  :drink:

Well, Oprah finally opened up her craw & made it clear she's joining the "Hold y'r Nose & Vote" crowd.
The reasons she gave sound a phony as the handbag story.

I bet she owns Hillary :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 27, 2016, 07:58:54 PM
Skull - again, my point is that there is no evidence/ belief in anyones circles that Iran would attack the continental united states with a missile of nuclear or any other sort.

 I challenge you to answer these two question:

Why do Iran need a nuke? What are they afraid of?


Are they going to nuke ISIS... That's silly.

I could see Japan getting a nuke before Iran and Japan has justification (aka North Korea)... I don't see any justification to give Iran a Nuke.


I do agree that America should not be the world policeman but America shouldn't be allowing everybody have nukes. The nuke deal is a pathway for Iran to have nukes. There is no reason for this. If the founding fathers was alive they would have Obama and everybody that signed the nuke deal in JAIL.


As for your challenge... I've posted Khamenei quotes please read them again. [He is the Supreme Leader of Iran]


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 27, 2016, 09:43:41 PM
I would point out that GW Bush won TWICE by winning a significant chunk of the Hispanic vote.
In his second term, the GOP began screaming about illegals - and we haven't won the White House since, and aren't going to this time.
You have to WIN in order to influence policy.  Trump is not going to WIN because 60% of the American people, in the most recent poll, have a negative impression of him, and only 35% have a positive impression.

Clinton's negatives are high - about 53% - but his are higher.

I said this way back when this thread started - he's the ONLY GOP candidate that makes Clinton seem likable by comparison.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 27, 2016, 10:43:56 PM
http://youtu.be/PVZJDpBXTJU (http://youtu.be/PVZJDpBXTJU)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 28, 2016, 08:24:52 AM
I would point out that GW Bush won TWICE by winning a significant chunk of the Hispanic vote.
In his second term, the GOP began screaming about illegals - and we haven't won the White House since, and aren't going to this time.
You have to WIN in order to influence policy.  Trump is not going to WIN because 60% of the American people, in the most recent poll, have a negative impression of him, and only 35% have a positive impression.

Clinton's negatives are high - about 53% - but his are higher.

I said this way back when this thread started - he's the ONLY GOP candidate that makes Clinton seem likable by comparison.

This is why I don't understand the polls... How could Trump who seemed to have higher negative then Hillary has more votes than any republican in the history of primaries and his votes out numbered Hillary. And if it wasn't for the DNC CHEATING we would be talking about Trump vs Sanders. Trump is holding 2 to 3 conventions a day and he's packing 2,500 people easy... Hillary does one convention every other day and she's lucky to get 300 people. Mike Pence has a convention he packs almost 2,000 people. Tim Kaine has a convention and he's lucky to see 30 people.  

Trump facebook has 11,793,845 likes

Hillary facebook has 7,569,120 likes


Sorry the math makes no sense.


My fear was a strong 3rd party candidate - but that was thrown out the window because Hillary's people found out that when a 3rd party candidate gets stronger Hillary's numbers go down (Not Trump's Numbers!)... This is why we are not seeing any 3rd party candidate. If the 3rd party candidate was overcoming Trump's numbers, we would see the debate with 3 people.

My NEW fear is Hillary going to cheat her way to victory (like she did with Sanders). Voters in Texas had been noticing that machines seemed to omit Trumps name (when they are voting straight party republican) it's said it's a glitch... I think that's bulls**t. It's no glitch. So I would like to see a really really big voter turn out.  

PS - I do believe Obama cheated for his second term and he used the IRS (something that Nixon said he'll do but never did).


On the side note... does anybody think it's funny in 2012 Romney said his fear was Russia and Obama laughed at him and told the American People that the cold war was over... and 2016 all we are hearing from the Democrats is that the Russians are trying to screw the election over by hacking and exposing secret documents (even though the documents expose criminal actions)....

I also find it odd how the News seemed it was ok to play a tape of Trump talking smack 11 years ago - regardless where the content came from... yet they won't talk about wiki leaks because the democrat's believed the Russians did it to screw over the election. (I don't think the Russians hack the Democrats - but I do think it's dangerous for the Democrats to point their finger at Russia)


And I've didn't get into Project Veritas videos...


Anyway... we have a few more weeks to go.






Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 28, 2016, 10:00:39 AM
Skull -

 
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Why do Iran need a nuke? What are they afraid of?

Israel's 200 nukes, all of which are pointed at them.

It's also a good deterrent from invasion look at north Korea vs iraq.

saudi Arabia also have access to the nukes in Pakistan and the shia /sunni rivalry is as tense as the Jewish/ Muslim one


at any rate as you say we aren't the world's police and Iran has the same right as anyone else to have a nuclear POWER program and they have signed the Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty.



re this stupid election if I had the only vote I would not hire either Hillary or Trump. Trump is too unhinged and Hillary is embodiment of all thats wrong with Washington and at best a poor imitation of her much more talented husband.

I happily chose Ron Paul but I could have lived with either Romney or Obama. No good choices this time around even the third parties are unworkable.

more and more I'm of the belief that there is no single person who can properly run a 5 trillion dollar budget. shrink it or break it up



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 28, 2016, 10:57:39 AM
I think whoever wins will be asked to step aside by their political party in 4 years and give someone else a shot at the White House


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on October 28, 2016, 12:02:05 PM
Quote from: Skull
Trump vs Sanders. Trump is holding 2 to 3 conventions a day and he's packing 2,500 people easy... Hillary does one convention every other day and she's lucky to get 300 people. Mike Pence has a convention he packs almost 2,000 people. Tim Kaine has a convention and he's lucky to see 30 people. 

You've brought this up several times, so I'd like to share a quote that relates.

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"There's something going on in this country and the pollsters aren't getting it.  Nobody who’s been with me for the last few days and has seen these crowds, seen their response, seen their enthusiasm, seen the intensity of their response and how they respond to these issues, no one who’s been where I’ve been, can help but believe that there’s something happening in this country.”

This is from Walter Mondale, who had a rally of 100,000 a week before the election.  He lost the electoral college 525 to 13.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 28, 2016, 01:50:46 PM
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/l/t1.0-9/14264024_307748916258276_5290641893316612063_n.jpg?oh=688f33d8cc8182251f2c43f436b95aae&oe=588A9D02)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on October 28, 2016, 05:44:03 PM
FBI is reopening the investigation into Hillary's emails.
This after finding new evidence in the Wiener investigation.
The Irony!
THE IRONY!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: claws on October 28, 2016, 06:02:16 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/zRa2vwY.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 28, 2016, 06:58:22 PM
can someone explain the email thing to me in a succinct way?


I've been hearing about it for months but I don't see the "hook" if you will. like who cares that she used a different email or something. why is that bad beyond that it's some rule they have?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on October 28, 2016, 07:05:15 PM
([url]http://i.imgur.com/zRa2vwY.jpg[/url])


Perhaps the irony about gun control, is how it was started by Gov Ronald Reagan when Black Panthers started strolling around the California State Capital Building with assault weapons, and was later expanded by President Nixon to, in essence, keep guns out of the hands of black people...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on October 28, 2016, 08:25:12 PM
([url]http://i.imgur.com/zRa2vwY.jpg[/url])

Being as white as any of those people, I'd fit right in with that crowd, who'd kill me if I wore a dump trump t-shirt. 

Black Guns Matter...  :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: AoTFan on October 29, 2016, 12:02:32 AM
What you consider Reagan's mistakes I consider two of his wisest decisions.  GHW Bush was a good and decent man and a great President; he deserved a second term IMO. 
And frankly, the GOP didn't start losing Presidential elections until the far right started demagoguing on illegal immigration!

That might be part of it, but I REALLY don't think that's the main reason the GOP has been losing elections.  I say it's mainly due to the fact they keep NOT doing what they PROMISED they would do.  Remember in 2014 they were all, "Hey, elect us to Congress!  We'll appeal Obamacare!  We'll halt all these amnesty actions!  We'll get spending under control!"  So, people voted them in, and what did they do?

Pretty much just want, "Ah, ah,... well, uh.. we don't wanna shut down the Government, and also we really need the Presidency as well as Congress to able to REALLY do anything." 

So, naturally, people felt betrayed and lied to, so, for better or worse, they've turned to a man who's not "politics as usual".  The Republican party has only itself to blame if they don't like the results.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 29, 2016, 05:55:01 AM
Skull -

 
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Why do Iran need a nuke? What are they afraid of?


Israel's 200 nukes, all of which are pointed at them.



Israel is as much as threat to Iran as America is a threat to Mexico. I do consider the Illegal Immigration from Mexico to America an invasion.

As for Israel's nukes, if they don't have it... it's doubtful the country would exist.


Khamenei is the Supreme Leader of Iran... he's been talking about destroying Israel for years. Iran's threat with Israel is fake.




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"There's something going on in this country and the pollsters aren't getting it.  Nobody who’s been with me for the last few days and has seen these crowds, seen their response, seen their enthusiasm, seen the intensity of their response and how they respond to these issues, no one who’s been where I’ve been, can help but believe that there’s something happening in this country.”


This is from Walter Mondale, who had a rally of 100,000 a week before the election.  He lost the electoral college 525 to 13.


Walter Mondale had no chance in hell to take out Reagan...

on the other hand Romney also had a good rally.

But the difference between Mondale, Romney to Trump... is that Trump been holding these rallies since the start of his race, and the visitors had not dropped.


can someone explain the email thing to me in a succinct way?


I've been hearing about it for months but I don't see the "hook" if you will. like who cares that she used a different email or something. why is that bad beyond that it's some rule they have?



I'll make it simple. Hillary was given a subpoena and the next day she destroy 30,000 emails, smashed 14 cell phones and lost 3 laptops in the mail.

You try that and I bet your ass will be in JAIL.


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=99f_1467903589 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=99f_1467903589)





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 29, 2016, 10:17:57 AM
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Israel is as much as threat to Iran as America is a threat to Mexico

Israel has been very public about their hostility to Iran and in fact have already attacked Iran's nuclear program via computer virus. and assasinated an number of their nuclear scientists.

The two countries hate each other they are both threats to each other. Israel itself has many many times threatened Iran and not so privately urged the US to attack.

that's not to say they're wrong to do so or to equate the countries in any way other than Iran has defense concerns like any country and this is one.






Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 29, 2016, 10:41:07 AM
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Israel is as much as threat to Iran as America is a threat to Mexico

Israel has been very public about their hostility to Iran and in fact have already attacked Iran's nuclear program via computer virus. and assasinated an number of their nuclear scientists.

The two countries hate each other they are both threats to each other. Israel itself has many many times threatened Iran and not so privately urged the US to attack.

that's not to say they're wrong to do so or to equate the countries in any way other than Iran has defense concerns like any country and this is one.







I'll say it in simple terms...

Israel is the good guys!

Iran needs to prove themselves to be good guys and they cannot because the Supreme Leader of Iran is a whack job.

There still no justification for Iran to have NUKES.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 29, 2016, 10:58:47 AM
you should like the Iran Deal then, as it allows oversight of their nuclear power program including allowing for inspections and agreeing to keep the percentage of enrichment down to levels to create energy but not nukes.

If Saddam had agreed to a deal like that we could have avoided that whole disaster and gotten on with our lives.  wouldn't that have been preferable?

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Israel is the good guys!

that's how it works in american politics, less so in the world outside of our borders. If you were from Jordan or Lebanon you might see them as just a big headache and long for the days before 1948 when western powers left your country alone.

or if you were a person who served on this particular vessal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 29, 2016, 09:35:14 PM
you should like the Iran Deal then, as it allows oversight of their nuclear power program including allowing for inspections and agreeing to keep the percentage of enrichment down to levels to create energy but not nukes.

If Saddam had agreed to a deal like that we could have avoided that whole disaster and gotten on with our lives.  wouldn't that have been preferable?


I don't know if you really understand the Iran Deal because you don't even know why Hillary's Emails a BIG F'N ISSUE.







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Israel is the good guys!

that's how it works in american politics, less so in the world outside of our borders. If you were from Jordan or Lebanon you might see them as just a big headache and long for the days before 1948 when western powers left your country alone.

or if you were a person who served on this particular vessal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident




If your going to talk about 1948 than you NEED to talk about 1939.


First,  Britain governed Palestine under a League of Nations mandate from 1920 to 1948.

Second, after world war 2 most of the 'civilized countries' were outraged to find out Hitler was exterminating the Jews. To patch things up England with the support of the League of Nations gave Palestine to the Jews.


True it sort of sucked for those that used to live in Palestine... but the country was under British control and at they time they did what they thought was correct.


Anyway I still believe the world had not become modernize until the 1960's.  Maybe in 1960 Israel would be created much differently.  So what happen in 1948 was old way of thinking and it's done and over.


And... Iran still has no need for a NUKE.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 29, 2016, 10:21:09 PM

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First,  Britain governed Palestine under a League of Nations mandate from 1920 to 1948.


Do you care what the UN or similar entity "decides" about this or that? I certainly don't. Why would people who lived in Jerusalem in 1916 care what somebody says they should do or where they should go?

I see the Israeli side too. The religion of Judaism is to Israel What Christianity is to Christ I understand their connection to the land*. and I also understand the holocaust and the effect it had on Israel as a place for Jewish refugees BUT I also understand that while not very impressive there was a country there and the people were driven out.
 
that's why it's called a CONFLICT.

They both have different rights to it the Jews via their religion and genes and the Arabs via the fact that it's the middle east which we all commonly think of as arab and who existed there for most of recorded history up until like not very long ago. It was mostly arab for the 18 centuries preceding the Balfour declaration.


*besides of the Russian Jews who converted around the time of Charlamagne and aren't semites

anyway we've drifted from the topic. Huma is in deep trouble and speculation is that Anthony weiner isn't going to take one for the team so they are going to have a rough couple days at least.





Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 30, 2016, 09:06:00 AM

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First,  Britain governed Palestine under a League of Nations mandate from 1920 to 1948.


Do you care what the UN or similar entity "decides" about this or that? I certainly don't. Why would people who lived in Jerusalem in 1916 care what somebody says they should do or where they should go?


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Please read this:

The relationship between Nazi Germany (1933–1945) and the leadership of the Arab world encompassed contempt, propaganda, collaboration and in some instances emulation. Cooperative political and military relationships were founded on shared hostilities toward common enemies, such as British and French imperialism, colonialism, communism, and Zionism. Hitler made warm statements about Islam as a religion and political ideology.


This "exchange" occurred when Hitler received Saudi Arabian ruler Ibn Saud’s special envoy, Khalid al-Hud al-Gargani. Earlier in this meeting Hitler noted that one of the three reasons why Germany had warm sympathies for the Arabs was:

… because we were jointly fighting the Jews!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


At the end of world war 2 the axis countries were hit. Such as German was divided into two parts and Japan was forced to have no military. Anyway, the English viewed the middle east as a Arab world that took sides with Germany! So it makes freak'n sense to me that they took a land that they owned and gave it to the JEWS.

On the other hand, if the Muslims did not take sides with Germany it's quite possible that Israel would be made in Germany.


I've said this a million times on this tread. This modern world that we see today is very new. I'm assuming we became the modern world during the Cuban Missile Crisis, or when American won the Moon landing. Whatever happen in the past was based on old world thinking that was around for thousands upon thousands of years.

Jerusalem has a long history. Spanning from 2000 BS. It was controlled by Egypt, Israelites, Babylonian, Romans... way-way before Ottoman Empire... England controlled Jerusalem after the Ottoman Empire and that was it!

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I see the Israeli side too. The religion of Judaism is to Israel What Christianity is to Christ I understand their connection to the land*. and I also understand the holocaust and the effect it had on Israel as a place for Jewish refugees BUT I also understand that while not very impressive there was a country there and the people were driven out.
 
that's why it's called a CONFLICT.

The conflict existed way-way before the creation of Israel.

And please note the Supreme Leader of Iran thinks the Holocaust never happen.

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They both have different rights to it the Jews via their religion and genes and the Arabs via the fact that it's the middle east which we all commonly think of as arab and who existed there for most of recorded history up until like not very long ago. It was mostly arab for the 18 centuries preceding the Balfour declaration.

Therefore are you suggesting that Hitler was correct? He wanted to reclaim lost German territories, it was the reason he used for his invasion of Poland.

The fact is the Earth has an aggressive history of taking lands form people that spanned way-way back the caveman days. So far the only time I saw a nation that was stop from taking over another country (by use of military) was Iraq in Desert Storm.


Anyway... Iran still has no reason for a NUKE.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 30, 2016, 09:17:47 AM
The Jewish presence in Israel, even if you disregard the entire Biblical account of Abraham, has been documented by archeology as far back as 1300 BC.  Israel/Judea/Palestine was THE "land of the Jews" exclusively from then until Rome drove them all out following the Bar Hokhba (sp?) revolt in 136 AD.  But even then, Jews began returning to the area around Jerusalem only a century later, and even after the Muslims conquered the entire region circa 700 AD, there was still a continuous Jewish presence in Jerusalem from then till now - Muslims tended to tolerate Jewish subjects more so than Christian ones because Jews didn't try to convert others to their faith, and paid the jizyah tax the sultans demanded without complaint - honestly, they were less oppressed in the Muslim world than they were in Christian Europe.
   The expulsion of the Palestinian Arabs in 1946-48 was a sharp turning point in Arab-Jewish relations, turning the Arab world sharply against Israel.  Two things worth noting: the Palestinians were offered a chance to split the territory with the Jewish refugees and refused it, and the Arab nations around Israel could have easily settled and assimilated the Palestinians many times over with no significant economic or cultural impact in the last 72 years.  There never was an Arabic "nation" of Palestine.  In religion, language, and culture, Palestinians are indistinguishable from all other Arab Muslims.  The fact is the nations around Israel have chosen to let their fellow Arabs live in miserable refugee camps for so long so they can keep their people whipped up about the "Palestinian crisis" all the time.  That keeps them from noticing how corrupt their governments actually are and demanding things like democracy, educational reform, and more accountable governments!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 30, 2016, 09:43:22 AM
The Jewish presence in Israel, even if you disregard the entire Biblical account of Abraham, has been documented by archeology as far back as 1300 BC.  Israel/Judea/Palestine was THE "land of the Jews" exclusively from then until Rome drove them all out following the Bar Hokhba (sp?) revolt in 136 AD.  But even then, Jews began returning to the area around Jerusalem only a century later, and even after the Muslims conquered the entire region circa 700 AD, there was still a continuous Jewish presence in Jerusalem from then till now - Muslims tended to tolerate Jewish subjects more so than Christian ones because Jews didn't try to convert others to their faith, and paid the jizyah tax the sultans demanded without complaint - honestly, they were less oppressed in the Muslim world than they were in Christian Europe.
   The expulsion of the Palestinian Arabs in 1946-48 was a sharp turning point in Arab-Jewish relations, turning the Arab world sharply against Israel.  Two things worth noting: the Palestinians were offered a chance to split the territory with the Jewish refugees and refused it, and the Arab nations around Israel could have easily settled and assimilated the Palestinians many times over with no significant economic or cultural impact in the last 72 years.  There never was an Arabic "nation" of Palestine.  In religion, language, and culture, Palestinians are indistinguishable from all other Arab Muslims.  The fact is the nations around Israel have chosen to let their fellow Arabs live in miserable refugee camps for so long so they can keep their people whipped up about the "Palestinian crisis" all the time.  That keeps them from noticing how corrupt their governments actually are and demanding things like democracy, educational reform, and more accountable governments!

Yes yes totally agree...

And Iran is still not justified in getting a NUKE.


Thanks INDY for the history lesson.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 30, 2016, 10:50:58 AM
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Anyway, the English viewed the middle east as a Arab world that took sides with Germany! So it makes freak'n sense to me that they took a land that they owned and gave it to the JEWS.


Zionism started in the late 19th century. the Balfour declaration was in 1917. tensions between Arabs and the western immigrants had been brewing for quite some time before ww2.

re the holocaust Many Iranian Jews in Europe returned to Iran where, again, there are still thousands of Jews http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16190541 (http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16190541)

There is a jewish MP in Irans parliament who represents that community. This is not to say there weren't arabs who liked hitler. The mayor of Jerusalem no doubt liked anyone who was goign to stop what he correctly viewed as an invasion.

also look at how you phrased it

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that they took a land that they owned


was Jerusalem part of England? how did they come to own it? colonialism and what native born person is going to respect that we certainly wouldn't have gone along with King George giving Delaware to the French in apology for something.


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And please note the Supreme Leader of Iran thinks the Holocaust never happen.


theres no international law against thinking the holocaust never happened and it has nothing to do with property rights. If i think the holocaust didn't happen ( i think it did) that wouldn't give my Jewish neihgbor the right to my house.


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Israel/Judea/Palestine was THE "land of the Jews" exclusively from then until Rome drove them all out following the Bar Hokhba (sp?) revolt in 136 AD.


well okay that's nearly 2000 years ago. and it wasn't exclusively Jewish ever. The Canaanites were never driven out. Mechizedek was there when they arrived and the jubusites and benjamenites had been there centuries prior to Israel. ok  we are getting into the weeds here

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there was still a continuous Jewish presence in Jerusalem from then till now


but it was majority Arab and this persisted till early 20th century here it is in 1896

http://youtu.be/vT3E8yr8hoM (http://youtu.be/vT3E8yr8hoM)


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There never was an Arabic "nation" of Palestine.  In religion, language, and culture, Palestinians are indistinguishable from all other Arab Muslims.


 There were people there what they were called is besides the point.

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Two things worth noting


those are worth noting as aspects to the CONFLICT. It's a conflict! I'm not saying who's right or wrong. There's a reason it has gone on as long as it has. in no small part because there is no military solution for either side. If Israel were to attempt to extend their borders to where they'd like to there would be pushback from all sorts of entities. If Palestinians or Iran tried to launch an attack on Israel there would be a western response.

like I said before: Israel are pilgrims surrounded by a billion Indians. There is no foreeable resolution to whats going on there.

Ill leave you with this from founding father of Zionism theodore Herzl from a letter to the mayor of Jerusalem in 1899

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You see another difficulty, Excellency, in the existence of the non-Jewish population in Palestine. But who would think of sending them away? It is their well-being, their individual wealth which we will increase by bringing in our own. Do you think that an Arab who owns land or a house in Palestine worth three or four thousand francs will be very angry to see the price of his land rise in a short time, to see it rise five and ten times in value perhaps in a few months? Moreover, that will necessarily happen with the arrival of the Jews. That is what the indigenous population must realize, that they will gain excellent brothers as the Sultan will gain faithful and good subjects who will make this province flourish-this province which is their historic homeland.


http://aldeilis.net/english/letter-from-herzl-to-mayor-of-jerusalem-1899/ (http://aldeilis.net/english/letter-from-herzl-to-mayor-of-jerusalem-1899/)


guess it didn't quite work out that way!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 30, 2016, 12:33:22 PM
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that they took a land that they owned

was Jerusalem part of England? how did they come to own it? colonialism and what native born person is going to respect that we certainly wouldn't have gone along with King George giving Delaware to the French in apology for something.

Maybe I'm speaking to the wind.... What happen 60 years ago is the Old world thinking. It was done and it's over. How England gain controlled of Jerusalem is the same freaking argument as how Egypt became Egypt. Old world thinking.


The reason why the Supreme Leader of Iran thinks the Holocaust never happen because he wants his people to believe there was no justification for the creation of Israel.


Do you know anything about Islam? Do you know they believe that the world NEEDS to be destroyed so GOD could bring the true messiah. The problem is that we have too many Islamic Nut Bags wanting the end of the world ASAP... You don't give Iran a NUKE!









Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on October 30, 2016, 01:21:05 PM
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Do you know anything about Islam? Do you know they believe that the world NEEDS to be destroyed so GOD could bring the true messiah. The problem is that we have too many Islamic Nut Bags wanting the end of the world ASAP... You don't give Iran a NUKE!

There's a significant sect of Christianity that thinks something fairly similar, and that's part of the reason they support Israel.  Trying to help fulfill prophecy to end the world.  I've never understood why any followers of an Abrahamic faith (with a God who can will the universe into creation) think God needs help to fulfill a prophecy though, seems both ludicrous and arrogant to me. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 30, 2016, 05:10:09 PM
Skull - do you think Iran should have a nuke?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: JaseSF on October 30, 2016, 05:25:23 PM
Think this is a much better choice myself...

http://youtu.be/TvGC8LpSRxo (http://youtu.be/TvGC8LpSRxo)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 31, 2016, 06:33:45 AM
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Do you know anything about Islam? Do you know they believe that the world NEEDS to be destroyed so GOD could bring the true messiah. The problem is that we have too many Islamic Nut Bags wanting the end of the world ASAP... You don't give Iran a NUKE!

There's a significant sect of Christianity that thinks something fairly similar, and that's part of the reason they support Israel.  Trying to help fulfill prophecy to end the world.  I've never understood why any followers of an Abrahamic faith (with a God who can will the universe into creation) think God needs help to fulfill a prophecy though, seems both ludicrous and arrogant to me.  


Last time I've check the terrorist killing innocent people are doing it for Islam...

I'm not sure how many Islam countries are pawns to a bigger evil. I believe 99% of the terror funding is from Saudi Arabia, but they channel the money to Iran (or such) so they can do the terror actions, meanwhile Saudi Arabia hands are clean. Also the Quran that in print from the 1960's are from a Saudi Arabia's version. I also believe they are spinning the Global Warming propaganda because they don't want countries like America to be energy independent. Then I wonder if Saudi Arabia really believe the s**t they are spewing since they are making a ton of money from it.






Skull - do you think Iran should have a nuke?

Iran or any other whack job country shouldn't have a NUKE.




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on October 31, 2016, 09:08:25 AM
close on Saudi Arabia but they def do not channel money to Iran. They hate shia Muslims it's sort of like catholic vs protestant in like northern Ireland but a thousand times stupider.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on October 31, 2016, 09:18:47 AM
close on Saudi Arabia but they def do not channel money to Iran. They hate shia Muslims it's sort of like catholic vs protestant in like northern Ireland but a thousand times stupider.

See you don't get it. Saudi Arabia wants somebody like Iran to nuke Israel because they know America will Nuke Iran. Iran is destroyed, Israel is destroyed, America looks like a fool because they cannot stop the destruction of Israel... Muslims are more angry towards America... and guess who sits in a comfort seat (Saudi Arabia). Saudi Arabia has been playing proxy wargames in the middle east since the 1960's. And they were the one's behind the 9/11 attack... Because they wanted America to go to war in the middle east - which we did and we went to war in Iraq... even though we have evidence today that's points to Saudi Arabia.


If anybody is stupid... it's America for going to war in Iraq.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 31, 2016, 02:18:09 PM
You couldn't make this up, Trump also has missing emails

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-missing-emails/ar-AAjDm2V?ocid=spartandhp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-missing-emails/ar-AAjDm2V?ocid=spartandhp)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 31, 2016, 02:21:23 PM
Where was the outrage from the right when W's White house lost 22 million emails, funny how that worked out isn't it?

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html (http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Alex on October 31, 2016, 05:58:57 PM
Been hearing something about Trump being up on child rape charges. Hadn't heard this one before, but I guess its been running for a while. Not that being accused of a crime means someone is guilty. I am just surprised I hadn't seen this on the news before.

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/reminder-donald-trump-due-in-court-after-election-day-on-child-rape-and-racketeering-charges/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/reminder-donald-trump-due-in-court-after-election-day-on-child-rape-and-racketeering-charges/)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 31, 2016, 08:49:14 PM
Quite possibly a fake news story.  There are many of them out there!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on October 31, 2016, 08:55:08 PM
Quite possibly a fake news story.  There are many of them out there!

It's not fake, but it's a lawsuit, not a criminal charge.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit?client=ms-android-verizon (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit?client=ms-android-verizon)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on October 31, 2016, 09:19:20 PM
since I've been old to vote this has been hands down the most bat s**t crazy election I've seen

both presidential candidates suck

if I could've voted Obama for a 3rd term I would've over both undesirables


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on October 31, 2016, 09:28:31 PM
Quite possibly a fake news story.  There are many of them out there!

It's not fake, but it's a lawsuit, not a criminal charge.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit?client=ms-android-verizon (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit?client=ms-android-verizon)

I utterly detest Trump, but this sounds like a frivolous suit brought on by someone who's filed several of them, fishing for an out-of-court settlement.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 01, 2016, 07:45:08 AM
Quite possibly a fake news story.  There are many of them out there!

It's not fake, but it's a lawsuit, not a criminal charge.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit?client=ms-android-verizon (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit?client=ms-android-verizon)

I utterly detest Trump, but this sounds like a frivolous suit brought on by someone who's filed several of them, fishing for an out-of-court settlement.

I posted this news a while back with a link to the court filing. I agree: I hate Trump, but this lawsuit does not appear to have a lot of credibility, which is why it's not getting a lot of coverage. The fact that so many people haven't heard of this undermines Trump's "MSM" conspiracy theory, though.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2016, 09:15:04 AM
Quite possibly a fake news story.  There are many of them out there!

It's not fake, but it's a lawsuit, not a criminal charge.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit?client=ms-android-verizon (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit?client=ms-android-verizon)



I utterly detest Trump, but this sounds like a frivolous suit brought on by someone who's filed several of them, fishing for an out-of-court settlement.



I've always hated McDonald's for giving that lady money for spilling hot coffee on herself in a drive-thru. Because the coffee didn't say HOT. There are way-way too many people trying abuse the system with stupid lawsuits.




I posted this news a while back with a link to the court filing. I agree: I hate Trump, but this lawsuit does not appear to have a lot of credibility, which is why it's not getting a lot of coverage. The fact that so many people haven't heard of this undermines Trump's "MSM" conspiracy theory, though.

The only conspiracy that MSM and CNN had been doing is not reporting the importance of Hillary's secret server, deleted Emails, the destruction of cell phones, the lost laptops, the underhanded use of Clinton's people giving the FBI's second in charge's wife a tall sum of money, the fact that Obama did lie about not knowing about Hillary's secret server...

Oh it's not the Russians that Hacked into the democrat servers to release the emails.

The hacker is Kim Dotcom; apparently he was screwed by Obama and Hillary a few years back and he's screwing them over with the wikileaks. I'd wonder if MSM or CNN mentioned this...




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 01, 2016, 11:34:44 AM
I read one of the court filings on that Jeffrey Epstein thing. from what I could gather epstein is an utter scumbag who took advantage of a young teenage girl and her lawsuit is lashing out at friends of his who looked the other way while it was happening. Maybe there is something to it other than that but I'd need to see more info


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on November 01, 2016, 03:38:19 PM
Quote
I've always hated McDonald's for giving that lady money for spilling hot coffee on herself in a drive-thru. Because the coffee didn't say HOT. There are way-way too many people trying abuse the system with stupid lawsuits.

You hate McDonald's for losing a lawsuit?  They didn't settle. What should they have done?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on November 06, 2016, 04:54:18 PM
They should have given her another coffee, and told her "carefull ma'am, coffee is hot. Maybe you shouldnt put this between your legs while wearing booty shorts."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 06, 2016, 09:08:40 PM
I'm all for tort reform but the McDonald's coffee case is a bad example. It's a case lots of people study on day 1 of tort class.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm (http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm)

McDonalds had hundreds of claims for burns from their coffee and they always paid the claimants off. It was just a small cost of doing business to them. The plaintiff (who had third degree burns and had to get skin grafts) offered to settle for little more than the cost of her medical bills and McDonalds refused, rolling the dice that they could get the case before a jury and get a precedent that allowed them not to pay off any coffee injuries in the future. The strategy backfired and they got burned (pun intended).

McDonalds since lowered the temperature of their coffee from 185 degrees to 158 degrees, no one gets scalded anymore, and no one complains that the coffee isn't hot enough.

It's ironic that this case became the go-to example of frivolous lawsuits because it actually had merit. There are plenty of better examples to pick from.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 06, 2016, 09:36:08 PM
Quite possibly a fake news story.  There are many of them out there!

It's not fake, but it's a lawsuit, not a criminal charge.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit?client=ms-android-verizon (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit?client=ms-android-verizon)

I utterly detest Trump, but this sounds like a frivolous suit brought on by someone who's filed several of them, fishing for an out-of-court settlement.

I posted this news a while back with a link to the court filing. I agree: I hate Trump, but this lawsuit does not appear to have a lot of credibility, which is why it's not getting a lot of coverage. The fact that so many people haven't heard of this undermines Trump's "MSM" conspiracy theory, though.
 
That's a good point.  Ironically, I have felt that the MSM have been trying desperately to prove their lack of favoritism toward Hillary...  :twirl:  I think Trump has gotten a free pass more than once. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on November 06, 2016, 10:22:24 PM
I'm all for tort reform but the McDonald's coffee case is a bad example. It's a case lots of people study on day 1 of tort class.

[url]http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm[/url])

McDonalds had hundreds of claims for burns from their coffee and they always paid the claimants off. It was just a small cost of doing business to them. The plaintiff (who had third degree burns and had to get skin grafts) offered to settle for little more than the cost of her medical bills and McDonalds refused, rolling the dice that they could get the case before a jury and get a precedent that allowed them not to pay off any coffee injuries in the future. The strategy backfired and they got burned (pun intended).

McDonalds since lowered the temperature of their coffee from 185 degrees to 158 degrees, no one gets scalded anymore, and no one complains that the coffee isn't hot enough.

It's ironic that this case became the go-to example of frivolous lawsuits because it actually had merit. There are plenty of better examples to pick from.



It's a stupid lawsuit that opened the door for more stupid lawsuits.

Anyway, I was wondering how long it would take before the thread comes back alive.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 06, 2016, 10:57:24 PM
I'm all for tort reform but the McDonald's coffee case is a bad example. It's a case lots of people study on day 1 of tort class.

[url]http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm[/url])

McDonalds had hundreds of claims for burns from their coffee and they always paid the claimants off. It was just a small cost of doing business to them. The plaintiff (who had third degree burns and had to get skin grafts) offered to settle for little more than the cost of her medical bills and McDonalds refused, rolling the dice that they could get the case before a jury and get a precedent that allowed them not to pay off any coffee injuries in the future. The strategy backfired and they got burned (pun intended).

McDonalds since lowered the temperature of their coffee from 185 degrees to 158 degrees, no one gets scalded anymore, and no one complains that the coffee isn't hot enough.

It's ironic that this case became the go-to example of frivolous lawsuits because it actually had merit. There are plenty of better examples to pick from.



It's a stupid lawsuit that opened the door for more stupid lawsuits.

Anyway, I was wondering how long it would take before the thread comes back alive.


I used to think that way, before I read the actual case. But if you had thousands of dollars in medical bills from 3rd degree burns from McDonalds coffee, and they knew this happened regularly and regularly paid medical bills for over 500 similar cases before yours, but decided NOT to pay you so they could use you as a test case, you'd be fine with that? You'd just say it was your own fault and go into debt to pay your medical bills? There were frivolous lawsuits before this case and frivolous lawsuits after it, but this actually was NOT a frivolous case. which is why it's so annoying that it became the poster child for frivolous lawsuits.

Here's a much better example: "In 1996, Florida physical therapist Paul Shimkonis sued his local nudie bar claiming whiplash from a lap dancer's large breasts. Shimkonis felt he suffered physical harm and mental anguish from the breasts, which he claimed felt like 'cement blocks' hitting him. Shimkonis sought justice in the amount of $15,000, which was denied."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on November 07, 2016, 12:07:35 AM
Isn't it the Stella Awards that recognize the most frivolous lawsuits filed every year?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 07, 2016, 08:43:41 AM
Isn't it the Stella Awards that recognize the most frivolous lawsuits filed every year?


Yep, but even though the guy who founded the awards thinks the case was decided wrongly, he has a page devoted to judging the facts for yourself: http://www.stellaawards.com/stella.html. (http://www.stellaawards.com/stella.html.)

Even if you think McDonalds should have won that one it was not an unreasonable case to adjudicate, unlike, say, the 2006 winner: "Allen Ray Heckard. Even though Heckard is 3 inches shorter, 25 pounds lighter, and 8 years older than former basketball star Michael Jordan, the Portland, Oregon, man says he looks a lot like Jordan, and is often confused for him -- and thus he deserves $52 million 'for defamation and permanent injury'-- plus $364 million in 'punitive damage for emotional pain and suffering', plus the SAME amount from Nike co-founder Phil Knight, for a grand total of $832 million. He dropped the suit after Nike's lawyers chatted with him, where they presumably explained how they'd counter-sue if he pressed on."


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on November 07, 2016, 10:04:00 AM


Yep, but even though the guy who founded the awards thinks the case was decided wrongly, he has a page devoted to judging the facts for yourself: [url]http://www.stellaawards.com/stella.html.[/url] ([url]http://www.stellaawards.com/stella.html.[/url])

Even if you think McDonalds should have won that one it was not an unreasonable case to adjudicate, unlike, say, the 2006 winner: "Allen Ray Heckard. Even though Heckard is 3 inches shorter, 25 pounds lighter, and 8 years older than former basketball star Michael Jordan, the Portland, Oregon, man says he looks a lot like Jordan, and is often confused for him -- and thus he deserves $52 million 'for defamation and permanent injury'-- plus $364 million in 'punitive damage for emotional pain and suffering', plus the SAME amount from Nike co-founder Phil Knight, for a grand total of $832 million. He dropped the suit after Nike's lawyers chatted with him, where they presumably explained how they'd counter-sue if he pressed on."



I really believe people should face jail time for stupid case filings... To me this is almost as worse as cranking calling 911. If Allen Ray Heckard knew he could go to jail for this lawsuit, it would never be filed.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 07, 2016, 11:06:44 AM
Talking backpedaling talk talk talking words werdz wurst virst first word word up.   :question:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on November 07, 2016, 01:34:44 PM
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(https://reasoningconspiracy.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/hillary-clinton-qualified-for-prison.jpg)

(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0120/0692/products/hillary-for-prison-880-navy-model-stadium2_grande.jpg?v=1466527218)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 07, 2016, 03:40:01 PM
(http://f.tqn.com/y/politicalhumor/1/S/V/a/6/trump-isis-megyn-kelly.jpg) 

(http://f.tqn.com/y/politicalhumor/1/S/1/g/6/trump-denigrate.jpg)

(http://cdnimg.in/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/trump-vs-corn-who-wore-it-better-meme.jpg?cfaea8) 

(http://www.askideas.com/media/48/Funny-Donald-Trump-Meme-We-Shall-Over-Comb-Trump-Image.jpg)



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on November 07, 2016, 03:57:08 PM
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Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: AoTFan on November 07, 2016, 04:49:49 PM
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0226/7001/articles/Hillary-For-Prison-Is-Trending-On-Twitter.jpg?v=1477938318)

Heard about that on a radio talk show.  Unless they're a different pair of kids (which possible) those two are bro and sis.  I heard they got a LOT of candy.  (One guy said he dumped the whole bowl into their bags.) 

Ahhhh... I miss trick or treating.   :bluesad:

Yeah, I know, I can just go BUY whatever and how much candy I want anytime from the store, but what's the fun in that?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 08, 2016, 12:00:34 AM
(http://cdn.buzzlie.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/54a07996c8f1c37f77be418079ae352a.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on November 08, 2016, 12:12:59 AM
And tomorrow it will be over and DONE!!!

One odd thing: I've been following the national polls ever since this cycle started.
For the last six weeks, every single national poll has shown Clinton with a lead or in a dead heat with Trump - EXCEPT ONE.
The LA Times poll has consistently shown Trump with a 2 - 6 point lead.
Do they know something the others don't?
Or do the major polling agencies draw straws, and the loser has to skew his results to favor whoever is trailing everywhere else - so that at least one polling service gets it right?


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on November 08, 2016, 12:43:59 AM
And tomorrow it will be over and DONE!!!

One odd thing: I've been following the national polls ever since this cycle started.
For the last six weeks, every single national poll has shown Clinton with a lead or in a dead heat with Trump - EXCEPT ONE.
The LA Times poll has consistently shown Trump with a 2 - 6 point lead.
Do they know something the others don't?
Or do the major polling agencies draw straws, and the loser has to skew his results to favor whoever is trailing everywhere else - so that at least one polling service gets it right?
The light at the end of tunnel will appear. :cheers:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on November 08, 2016, 06:49:48 PM
And tomorrow it will be over and DONE!!!

One odd thing: I've been following the national polls ever since this cycle started.
For the last six weeks, every single national poll has shown Clinton with a lead or in a dead heat with Trump - EXCEPT ONE.
The LA Times poll has consistently shown Trump with a 2 - 6 point lead.
Do they know something the others don't?
Or do the major polling agencies draw straws, and the loser has to skew his results to favor whoever is trailing everywhere else - so that at least one polling service gets it right?

The LA Times is a tracker, where they consistently ask the same group of people the same questions.  It's meant to be a representative group, but if it starts with a right lean, it will likely end with one.  They're best considered a "tracker" as they say, that is showing changes over time - rather than an accurate summary of the nation's opinion. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 08, 2016, 10:41:36 PM
trump is killing it


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on November 08, 2016, 11:23:18 PM
trump is killing it
the little crawler at the bottom of the screen keeps teetering back & forth, and the press be all like, "It's not looking good for Trump despite his winning."
At least whatever his name was one the 7th district despite not bothering to campaign against what's her name, who ha d this ad calling him "nuts", then she lays out a downright crazy agenda.

I guess nuts are in the eye of the beholder. That's why I get a lot of use out of that Oliver Herford haiku during elections...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on November 09, 2016, 12:24:06 AM
Dear Lord, that psychopath is going to win . . . :buggedout:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: akiratubo on November 09, 2016, 12:42:18 AM
Dear Lord, that psychopath is going to win . . . :buggedout:

Nah, Hillary's going to pull off a miraculous comeback.  Note that there are *exactly* enough electoral votes left for her to win.  This is all just a show.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: akiratubo on November 09, 2016, 01:44:54 AM
Dear Lord, that psychopath is going to win . . . :buggedout:

Nah, Hillary's going to pull off a miraculous comeback.  Note that there are *exactly* enough electoral votes left for her to win.  This is all just a show.

Or maybe not.  He just took Pennsylvania, according to the Google live results.  If he takes even one of the other states in contention, he's got it.  There's no way for Clinton to make up ground.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: VenomX73 on November 09, 2016, 02:41:48 AM
WE THE PEOPLE WIN!

(http://media.salon.com/2011/04/donald_trump_the_president_we_deserve.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: frank on November 09, 2016, 02:46:06 AM

You got to be f**king kidding me...


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on November 09, 2016, 03:49:40 AM
Awesome!!!!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on November 09, 2016, 07:29:58 AM
I know I'm actually not supposed to post here, but all I have to say is this:

I like the USA and its' peeps - especially the peeps on here - so whoever the President may be, Republican or Democrat and which ever race or gender:

GOD BLESS AMERICA


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: claws on November 09, 2016, 08:25:55 AM
Well, at least he'll make America funny again :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 09, 2016, 08:47:44 AM
Congratulations to Donald Trump and his supporters. He's the people's choice. As long as he obeys the Constitution he's my President, no matter how much I dislike him and what he stands for. We have to trust in the system of checks and balances. But I'm terrified of what's going to happen to my retirement portfolio in a couple hours.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on November 09, 2016, 09:17:27 AM
I weep for my country and seriously thinking of moving to Canada


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Newt on November 09, 2016, 09:26:07 AM
He's the people's choice. As long as he obeys the Constitution he's my President, no matter how much I dislike him and what he stands for. We have to trust in the system of checks and balances.

You and the rest of the world.

Too bad we cannot blame Florida.  That'd take out some of the sting, I imagine.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on November 09, 2016, 10:00:32 AM
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
This is a day of reckoning for many. Remember those who mocked and said that this couldnt possibly happen. Rember those who said they would leave if this happens. The rosies, beyonces, gagas and mileys are free to go now.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on November 09, 2016, 10:09:42 AM
I'm pleased that Trump won!!!! I'm really pleased that Obama is gone and his healthcare plan can follow him out the door!


And I'm also pleased to see this tread finally over (at least for 4 years)... This is my last time posting on this thread. :)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on November 09, 2016, 11:47:06 AM
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14980615_10100380573281738_2222346249936945145_n.jpg?oh=ffe559973eba2a4b3e1e5fb59761b4ec&oe=58928281)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on November 09, 2016, 11:52:38 AM
Well, now that everybody else knows how I've felt for the last eight years, I want you to know, I'm here for you.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: ulthar on November 09, 2016, 05:04:56 PM
Bathing in the bitter, salty tears of Cuckservative NeverTrump sell-outs.  Keep making those globalist excuses for the Left.  The rest of us will continue to Make America Great.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw2bM_MWEAAVYdx.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: VenomX73 on November 09, 2016, 05:19:49 PM
Bathing in the bitter, salty tears of Cuckservative NeverTrump sell-outs.  Keep making those globalist excuses for the Left.  The rest of us will continue to Make America Great.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw2bM_MWEAAVYdx.jpg)

AWESOME! Good Karma for you, Brother ulthar  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: VenomX73 on November 09, 2016, 05:24:37 PM
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/66620156.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on November 09, 2016, 05:32:38 PM
Bathing in the bitter, salty tears of Cuckservative NeverTrump sell-outs.  Keep making those globalist excuses for the Left.  The rest of us will continue to Make America Great.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw2bM_MWEAAVYdx.jpg)
So many red counties in Virginia, and yet the state was declared blue.
Weird.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on November 09, 2016, 06:17:43 PM
Bathing in the bitter, salty tears of Cuckservative NeverTrump sell-outs.  Keep making those globalist excuses for the Left.  The rest of us will continue to Make America Great.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw2bM_MWEAAVYdx.jpg)
So many red counties in Virginia, and yet the state was declared blue.
Weird.

Same is true with my state Illinois.... If the vote was based on number of counties Hillary was killed :)


I'm going to try not to post anymore on this tread... 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 09, 2016, 06:55:14 PM
the country united to stop having to read Indianas i told you so speech


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 09, 2016, 09:03:42 PM
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/66620156.jpg)
Too bad that's spelled wrong.  It should be "you're" as in "you are".  That would be called a contraction.  Fock the grammar police.  


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: VenomX73 on November 09, 2016, 09:32:27 PM
Hi Allhallowsday  :thumbup:

Yup, no big deal. Just a random photo I found, I thought it was funny.

Im going on 24 hours no sleep lol.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on November 09, 2016, 10:22:07 PM
Kind of crazy to have another electoral-popular split.  I remember in high school people thinking it was unlikely to happen again, now I've seen two.  At least it wasn't a contentious one like Bush-Gore. 

I'll also say I thought Trump's acceptance speech showed a side of him I wish he would keep displaying.  I also genuinely hope all the economic legislation he and a single party controlled government can push through work.  I think some of the ideas (like massive tariffs) will not, but I'd rather be wrong than right. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on November 09, 2016, 11:38:46 PM
I still don't like Trump.  I think he is a horrible, morally repulsive person.

But - as of January 20, he is my President.

So - I will support him when he is right.
I will oppose him when he is wrong.
And I will pray for him daily, because he - and the country - will need it.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Trevor on November 10, 2016, 01:52:20 AM
I became (sort of) politically aware in 1980 at 13 and I have never, ever experienced an election like this, ever.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on November 10, 2016, 05:35:45 AM
YES! THIS THREAD IS DONE!  :thumbup: :hot:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on November 10, 2016, 07:39:13 AM
Now we can start one that says:  "Who should have been the last President?"

WHO'S WITH ME???   :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on November 10, 2016, 11:21:29 AM
YES! THIS THREAD IS DONE!  :thumbup: :hot:
idiots protesting in the streets last night..... IGH!


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 10, 2016, 11:41:22 AM
no it continues....


Who should be the president in 2020?

jusssst kidding


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 10, 2016, 11:06:55 PM
Certainly not mitt... Oven mitt... 

We'll see what happens.  Our president?  He's the man and I honor and support him. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 11, 2016, 10:50:06 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw9zr3PUQAEhKOv.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on November 11, 2016, 04:18:17 PM
Well-don't matter. The question  is moot now.
I wanted Col.Sanders. I mean Bernie.
Ah well,It's all about wait and see,I reckon.  :wink:


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on November 11, 2016, 05:15:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw9zr3PUQAEhKOv.jpg)

That is a very interesting graphic, Lester.
It does prove one thing I said even before this cycle started, over a year ago:
Hillary Clinton was NOT an inspiring or even likable candidate.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 11, 2016, 06:19:57 PM
can't help but wonder if these people staying home was a kind of passive Trump vote


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on November 11, 2016, 06:58:46 PM
I think it was a reflection of indifference.  There were two candidates in this race that had very high personal negative perception.  A lot of folks, faced with the option of voting for two people they really disliked, chose to vote for neither.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: VenomX73 on November 11, 2016, 07:39:13 PM
CNN Clinton News Network - Fail.

http://youtu.be/W26aqd35LUU (http://youtu.be/W26aqd35LUU)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: bob on November 11, 2016, 07:49:37 PM
I think it was a reflection of indifference.  There were two candidates in this race that had very high personal negative perception.  A lot of folks, faced with the option of voting for two people they really disliked, chose to vote for neither.


! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0#)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on November 11, 2016, 09:29:00 PM
Some people are lobbying the electoral college to change the results to the popular vote.

While stories of people being dragged from their cars & beaten up for supposedly supporting Trump are popping up all over the west.

I understand Al Franken didn't actually win his first election, he just kept calling for recounts until his opponent got fed up.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Skull on November 11, 2016, 10:46:01 PM
Some people are lobbying the electoral college to change the results to the popular vote.

While stories of people being dragged from their cars & beaten up for supposedly supporting Trump are popping up all over the west.

I understand Al Franken didn't actually win his first election, he just kept calling for recounts until his opponent got fed up.

Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure how most of the counties in Illinois voted for Trump and the state goes to Hillary because of the Chicago area. This is not popular vote, this is stacked voting. Chicago is a sanctuary city. Chicago has people voting for Santa. Chicago don't represent the whole state of Illinois.

If it wasn't for the electoral college the only places that would see representation is welfare cities like New York, LA and Chicago.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on November 11, 2016, 11:04:18 PM
Some people are lobbying the electoral college to change the results to the popular vote.

While stories of people being dragged from their cars & beaten up for supposedly supporting Trump are popping up all over the west.

I understand Al Franken didn't actually win his first election, he just kept calling for recounts until his opponent got fed up.

Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure how most of the counties in Illinois voted for Trump and the state goes to Hillary because of the Chicago area. This is not popular vote, this is stacked voting. Chicago is a sanctuary city. Chicago has people voting for Santa. Chicago don't represent the whole state of Illinois.

If it wasn't for the electoral college the only places that would see representation is welfare cities like New York, LA and Chicago.

The exact same thing happened here in Virginia. Only a couple of blue counties.

Governor Terry McAuliffe tried to stack the decks by restoring voting rights to 60,000 convicted felons, first through a failed bill, then by an executive order that got overturned by the courts, and finally on a case by case basis using AutoSign.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 11, 2016, 11:09:17 PM
indiana- the republican turnout is fairly even across those years though


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on November 12, 2016, 12:43:07 AM
Very true.  Conservatives are consistent, right?  LOL


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Jim H on November 12, 2016, 12:55:52 AM
Quote
Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure how most of the counties in Illinois voted for Trump and the state goes to Hillary because of the Chicago area. This is not popular vote, this is stacked voting. Chicago is a sanctuary city. Chicago has people voting for Santa. Chicago don't represent the whole state of Illinois.

If it wasn't for the electoral college the only places that would see representation is welfare cities like New York, LA and Chicago.

Regardless, the electoral college is failing in its purposes anyways.  California and New York are mostly ignored as safe by the dems, just like Mississippi and Louisiana are mostly ignored by the republicans.  Just like 10 or 15 states determine the election these days.  And faithless electors are never going to change an outcome at this stage.  States and large portions of the population still get basically ignored, just for different reasons than if we didn't have it.  It'd probably be more useful in its intentions in a multiparty system or at least one with a less polarized political climate. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: javakoala on November 12, 2016, 06:16:40 AM
The election is over. Why not lock this topic so we can move on to subjects we all agree on, like sex and religion?

Yes, Skull, this was an attempt at humor. No statistics or rants required, thank you.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: El Misfit on November 12, 2016, 07:33:46 PM
The only person I'm gonna miss from this presidency is Biden, he's a really genuine guy who's been through hell.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: kakihara on November 13, 2016, 12:11:58 PM
Why....wont...this...thread....die?
I will not miss any of them, not obama, not biden, not paul ryan.  Im sure they will do as much as they possibly can before any of them are out, though,  theyll probably stick around, the parasites are digging in. I expect some crazy legislation to be passed in the next 2 months. I have been watching the media and the current admin pretend to respect the president elect. The stupid psychophantic media isnt handling rejection very well. "Its a white-lash", "hate crimes are on the rise", " how can the president function without  fair and unbiased reporting", " the american people need us", "we are the only people you can trust", "i promised i would leave the country if he won, but i need to stay because im so important and young people read my tweets".


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: LilCerberus on November 13, 2016, 12:39:34 PM
Why....wont...this...thread....die?
I will not miss any of them, not obama, not biden, not paul ryan.  Im sure they will do as much as they possibly can before any of them are out, though,  theyll probably stick around, the parasites are digging in. I expect some crazy legislation to be passed in the next 2 months. I have been watching the media and the current admin pretend to respect the president elect. The stupid psychophantic media isnt handling rejection very well. "Its a white-lash", "hate crimes are on the rise", " how can the president function without  fair and unbiased reporting", " the american people need us", "we are the only people you can trust", "i promised i would leave the country if he won, but i need to stay because im so important and young people read my tweets".

I've tried being reasonable with some of these people.
I've tried to address the fear & hurting.
And I'm not just being facetious when I tell them I've felt that way every day for the last eight years, and that I really am hear for them.
But they can't get past their own hatred, bigotry, ignorance and closed mindedness.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 16, 2016, 11:44:54 AM
Trump has been a media figure for many years. 
I can remember when RONALD REAGAN's divorce decades before his election to the presidency was considered poisonous.  Now we'll have a president currently on his third wife.  We will have a president who has said some miserable things about his own behavior toward women.  We will have a president who is a reality TV star.  We will have a president who has been sued hundreds of times and is currently involved in many suits.  We will have a president accused by the justice department of discrimination at the dawn of his own business dealings.  We will have a president with no political experience.  We will have a president with a foul mouth. 

His so-called conservative values nor his political party (which did not want him) are not the reasons for the shock wave; see reasons above. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 16, 2016, 01:58:25 PM
Trump has been a media figure for many years. 
I can remember when RONALD REAGAN's divorce decades before his election to the presidency was considered poisonous.  Now we'll have a president currently on his third wife.  We will have a president who has said some miserable things about his own behavior toward women.  We will have a president who is a reality TV star.  We will have a president who has been sued hundreds of times and is currently involved in many suits.  We will have a president accused by the justice department of discrimination at the dawn of his own business dealings.  We will have a president with no political experience.  We will have a president with a foul mouth. 

His so-called conservative values nor his political party (which did not want him) are not the reasons for the shock wave; see reasons above. 

Lets end the topic... Trump won... Tread is now dead.
You mean "thread".  And it ain't dead. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on November 16, 2016, 05:24:48 PM
That's the thing that still saddens me:  An unrepentant serial adulterer, a flagrant liar who has been sued for fraud and for robbing his contractors of their wages multiple times, was elected with the overwhelming support of evangelical Christians.

We used to stand for values.  I guess winning trumps morality in today's church.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 17, 2016, 12:29:04 AM
Apparently a vast segment of this country so despise liberal perspectives, Clintons, women, and particularly Hillary, and are so afraid, they have put blinders on to the lies of this demagogue. 


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on November 17, 2016, 08:41:23 AM
I know that within this thread I compared Trump to Hitler.
I apoligize.
I've been re-reading William Shirer's the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich...and it made me remember just how utterly psychotic and dangerous Hitler was.
Trump is in NO way like Hitler-except in a few regards-
He knew how to manipulate the masses-to touch a nerve of those who felt that the had lost control of they're lives.
But what differs from Trump and Hitler in this aspect is that Hitler spoke to the masses as one of they're own.And-He was. He started as a nobody who rose to power from the streets. Hitlers vision was always the same,as evil as it was. He was a politician.And he truly loved Germany and truly hated Jews.
Trump had money from day one. He never broke a sweat or worked for political office. He flipped from being a Democrat to whatever he is now-has no vision,or even a plan. His only goal is to make money. He made his mark not on street corners or by staging public riots-but by being a TV personality. As far as being a bigot...I  think he says what he thinks his -for better word-"followers",want to hear. He flops on his own statements like a fish. I think he used the masses to get in office-and now that he's in,I think he's gonna flop on alot of what he said. He's in it for the money.
Hitler stated exactly what he believed and wanted to do in Mein Kamph..and damn if he did't do it.
Trump...he doesn't have any vision..except $$$ signs in his head.
And-as much as I dislike Trump,he's not evil. He doesn't  have the ..I dunno-VISION to be evil. It takes true charecter to be truly evil. Trump is kinda like..oh.. like a Boss Hogg kinda despicable.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: javakoala on November 17, 2016, 11:27:28 AM
I know that within this thread I compared Trump to Hitler.
I apoligize.
I've been re-reading William Shirer's the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich...and it made me remember just how utterly psychotic and dangerous Hitler was.
Trump is in NO way like Hitler-except in a few regards-
He knew how to manipulate the masses-to touch a nerve of those who felt that the had lost control of they're lives.
But what differs from Trump and Hitler in this aspect is that Hitler spoke to the masses as one of they're own.And-He was. He started as a nobody who rose to power from the streets. Hitlers vision was always the same,as evil as it was. He was a politician.And he truly loved Germany and truly hated Jews.
Trump had money from day one. He never broke a sweat or worked for political office. He flipped from being a Democrat to whatever he is now-has no vision,or even a plan. His only goal is to make money. He made his mark not on street corners or by staging public riots-but by being a TV personality. As far as being a bigot...I  think he says what he thinks his -for better word-"followers",want to hear. He flops on his own statements like a fish. I think he used the masses to get in office-and now that he's in,I think he's gonna flop on alot of what he said. He's in it for the money.
Hitler stated exactly what he believed and wanted to do in Mein Kamph..and damn if he did't do it.
Trump...he doesn't have any vision..except $$$ signs in his head.
And-as much as I dislike Trump,he's not evil. He doesn't  have the ..I dunno-VISION to be evil. It takes true charecter to be truly evil. Trump is kinda like..oh.. like a Boss Hogg kinda despicable.

Exactly the attitude I have developed about the man, so, thank you, RC, for putting it into words. He's vile and gross and not what I really want as the image of America, but he isn't the grand evil the protesters are screaming he is.

And we have a system of checks and balances in this country. Instead of whining and vandalizing and threatening non-Clinton/conservative supporters with harm (or death), the protesters should be putting energy into making sure Trump's plans are help up in Congress. Vote out the people likely to tamper with abortion changes (or support whatever other dastardly plans the Right may unveil). Become politically active in a proper and constructive way.

Sadly, we live in a world of instant gratification and dream-world entitlement, so the destructive protests and foot-stamping continues.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 17, 2016, 11:51:58 AM
I know that within this thread I compared Trump to Hitler.
I apoligize.
I've been re-reading William Shirer's the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich...and it made me remember just how utterly psychotic and dangerous Hitler was.
Trump is in NO way like Hitler-except in a few regards-
He knew how to manipulate the masses-to touch a nerve of those who felt that the had lost control of they're lives.
But what differs from Trump and Hitler in this aspect is that Hitler spoke to the masses as one of they're own.And-He was. He started as a nobody who rose to power from the streets. Hitlers vision was always the same,as evil as it was. He was a politician.And he truly loved Germany and truly hated Jews.
Trump had money from day one. He never broke a sweat or worked for political office. He flipped from being a Democrat to whatever he is now-has no vision,or even a plan. His only goal is to make money. He made his mark not on street corners or by staging public riots-but by being a TV personality. As far as being a bigot...I  think he says what he thinks his -for better word-"followers",want to hear. He flops on his own statements like a fish. I think he used the masses to get in office-and now that he's in,I think he's gonna flop on alot of what he said. He's in it for the money.
Hitler stated exactly what he believed and wanted to do in Mein Kamph..and damn if he did't do it.
Trump...he doesn't have any vision..except $$$ signs in his head.
And-as much as I dislike Trump,he's not evil. He doesn't  have the ..I dunno-VISION to be evil. It takes true charecter to be truly evil. Trump is kinda like..oh.. like a Boss Hogg kinda despicable.

Exactly the attitude I have developed about the man, so, thank you, RC, for putting it into words. He's vile and gross and not what I really want as the image of America, but he isn't the grand evil the protesters are screaming he is.

And we have a system of checks and balances in this country. Instead of whining and vandalizing and threatening non-Clinton/conservative supporters with harm (or death), the protesters should be putting energy into making sure Trump's plans are help up in Congress. Vote out the people likely to tamper with abortion changes (or support whatever other dastardly plans the Right may unveil). Become politically active in a proper and constructive way.

Sadly, we live in a world of instant gratification and dream-world entitlement, so the destructive protests and foot-stamping continues.
I don't agree with you guys exactly; I don't think Trump is "in it for the money".  He is in it to WIN.  To him it's a game.  He doesn't need money, but damn, he has made it clear he hates to lose.  He is an egotist: shallow, dishonest, and manipulative.  And like Hitler a demagogue.  Not bright, but smart enough


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 17, 2016, 11:59:48 AM
honestly if we peel of some of the layers of drama: Trump told the rust belt workers he'd get them their jobs back/ not work to make them obsolete (coal miners) so they came out for him and Hillary badly mishandled the revelations of how she screwed Sanders supporters so they stayed home. This includes minorities there were literally rappers having Bernie Sanders rallies


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: claws on November 20, 2016, 02:39:06 AM
Saw this post on FB when it only had like 5 views. It went viral like a mutha shortly after  :buggedout:

(http://i.imgur.com/Am4cWlJ.jpg)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on November 20, 2016, 02:54:34 AM
Saw this post on FB when it only had like 5 views. It went viral like a mutha shortly after  :buggedout:

([url]http://i.imgur.com/Am4cWlJ.jpg[/url])

Yeah-except I aint mad at Trump trools-I'm most surprised that they ignored all of this-just to "shake things up".
It saddens me that folks ignored the facts-and all that s**t that came out of Trumps mouth-and still think he is a good man.
He is not a good man-he is not an honest man. He is a liar and a crook. He makes Nixon look like an angel. He will (mark my words) get shot. I don't condone this-but it will happen-I ain't joking. WATCH. and LEARN. I may be crazy,but I aint dumb.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on November 20, 2016, 03:41:08 AM
In history books many Presidents are quoted. Trump's grabbing p***y quote is the words of a MORON-not a president.He makes me ashamed to be an American. And he aint the first- Andrew Johnson,Nixon,Bush Jr,and Clinton all were awful. As were many in the past. We will,as Americans-fix this. THAT I have faith in. I am an American. I love this country.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 21, 2016, 11:55:47 PM
Please, God help us.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on November 23, 2016, 07:31:25 AM
 What I said earlier-
"I  think he says what he thinks his -for better word-"followers",want to hear. He flops on his own statements like a fish. I think he used the masses to get in office-and now that he's in,I think he's gonna flop on alot of what he said.  "

NYTimes interview Tuesday-

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-flip-flops-6-times-in-1-hour-nyt-interview-203417722.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-flip-flops-6-times-in-1-hour-nyt-interview-203417722.html)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: indianasmith on December 15, 2016, 05:31:19 PM
Rather than start a new thread, I am posting this here.  I think both Trump supporters and detractors will find some things to agree with in this week's commentary:

This week's blog post is my final commentary on the 2016 election:

How liberals created Donald Trump!




http://lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com/ (http://lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com/)




Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: Rev. Powell on December 15, 2016, 07:25:21 PM
Let this thread die let it die let it die letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie letitdie or kill me.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: javakoala on December 15, 2016, 10:34:58 PM
I am announcing my support for Andy Dick for President in 2020!!

(Sorry, Rev. I would love to see this thread die as well. I figure no one can kill interest in a topic better than Andy Dick.)


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on December 15, 2016, 11:09:42 PM
I could just remove this topic...but I think I'll leave it here just so we can post disturbing things to take our minds off our disturbing reality!  :twirl:


WARNING!:A naughty word is used in this video! So put yer hands over your kids ears!
http://youtu.be/1PwpcUawjK0 (http://youtu.be/1PwpcUawjK0)



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on December 16, 2016, 09:04:45 PM
I know that within this thread I compared Trump to Hitler.
I apoligize.
I've been re-reading William Shirer's the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich...and it made me remember just how utterly psychotic and dangerous Hitler was.
Trump is in NO way like Hitler-except in a few regards-
He knew how to manipulate the masses-to touch a nerve of those who felt that the had lost control of they're lives.
But what differs from Trump and Hitler in this aspect is that Hitler spoke to the masses as one of they're own.And-He was. He started as a nobody who rose to power from the streets. Hitlers vision was always the same,as evil as it was. He was a politician.And he truly loved Germany and truly hated Jews.
Trump had money from day one. He never broke a sweat or worked for political office. He flipped from being a Democrat to whatever he is now-has no vision,or even a plan. His only goal is to make money. He made his mark not on street corners or by staging public riots-but by being a TV personality. As far as being a bigot...I  think he says what he thinks his -for better word-"followers",want to hear. He flops on his own statements like a fish. I think he used the masses to get in office-and now that he's in,I think he's gonna flop on alot of what he said. He's in it for the money.
Hitler stated exactly what he believed and wanted to do in Mein Kamph..and damn if he did't do it.
Trump...he doesn't have any vision..except $$$ signs in his head.
And-as much as I dislike Trump,he's not evil. He doesn't  have the ..I dunno-VISION to be evil. It takes true charecter to be truly evil. Trump is kinda like..oh.. like a Boss Hogg kinda despicable.

Exactly the attitude I have developed about the man, so, thank you, RC, for putting it into words. He's vile and gross and not what I really want as the image of America, but he isn't the grand evil the protesters are screaming he is.

And we have a system of checks and balances in this country. Instead of whining and vandalizing and threatening non-Clinton/conservative supporters with harm (or death), the protesters should be putting energy into making sure Trump's plans are help up in Congress. Vote out the people likely to tamper with abortion changes (or support whatever other dastardly plans the Right may unveil). Become politically active in a proper and constructive way.

Sadly, we live in a world of instant gratification and dream-world entitlement, so the destructive protests and foot-stamping continues.
I don't agree with you guys exactly; I don't think Trump is "in it for the money".  He is in it to WIN.  To him it's a game.  He doesn't need money, but damn, he has made it clear he hates to lose.  He is an egotist: shallow, dishonest, and manipulative.  And like Hitler a demagogue.  Not bright, but smart enough
Being he just  appointed an oil mogul as Sec of State-who had oil intersts-yeh-I think I was right.
I know every one wants this thread to die-BUT! Fact is-This s**t is still important.


Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on December 16, 2016, 09:11:26 PM
Rev-I'm sorry-I cant let it die-for ONE REASON.
I will speak out. If we do NOT speak out-and you know these redneck f**kers will run they're mouths-I HAVE to say SOMETHING.
Let this thread die?
NEVER SAY DIE.

Personally-I could give a f**k less-BUT-I reckon some of you thinking people do-sooo-STAND UP! Them f**king Trump hillbillys are gonna f**k you over if you dont grow a pair.

http://youtu.be/uDELg7qaFyw (http://youtu.be/uDELg7qaFyw)

Have I gone apes**t? Yeah-maybe I have-but at least I have the balls to do so-and SO SHOULD YOU.
I aint gonna support a rich real estate guy who asked Russia to hack the election-REMEMBER THAT?
And they DID...goddamit-WAKE UP.



Title: Re: Who should be the next president?
Post by: RCMerchant on December 16, 2016, 09:31:46 PM
I know this thread-folks want it to die-I-I cant. I am seeing BAD s**t on the horizon-I-I CANT.
Its called the FUTURE of our land. I can't just pretend it's ok-because-it's NOT.

Man-we all wanna take down the status quo-
but dam-Trump aint the answer.

http://youtu.be/BGLGzRXY5Bw (http://youtu.be/BGLGzRXY5Bw)