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I have been watching a lot of That 70's Show lately as it has come on UK Netflix and I have noticed that Eric Forman is a complete douche. He is so selfish and self-centred and I completely agree with Red, he is a dumb ass. This got me thinking about others that you a supposed to like and immediately Jim from The Office (US version) is a self-righteous moron too.

What are your thoughts?

John Cena in WWE comes across as a complete douche most of the time.

Main character from the movie Whiplash - out to be the best there is but is just a giant a$$ the whole movie

Main character from Neon Genesis - such a whiny selfish brat and he's meant to be some hero but is just annoying.

I thought that Russell Crowe's Noah in the film of that name was a completely unlikable, arrogant, self-righteous dirtbag.

Really anyone in the Men in Black franchise, both movies and cartoon series.  

Its a secret organization that withholds information and technology, routinely alters people's minds (possibly ruining some lives) , has no real over site,  all in the name of keeping the public "Safe and quiet".  How are these people considered the heroes? And I've heard in the original comic, their worse, actually executing people from time to time.

The shows also played on the whole "Earth is considered a primitive savage planet by aliens" trope  when the show is based around aliens that have the same faults, vices,  and criminal elements we have, just with better technology.

Kirk from the new Trek movies.   Say what you will about Shat- Kirk,  at least he wasn't a f**kING IDIOT.   New - Kirk can't even properly execute plans he himself thought up.   Without Spock (both of them) to do everything for him,  he probably couldn't even make it out of bed.

While the various incarnations of Doctor Who have occasionally displayed such traits, the Tenth arguably does it with greater frequency.

A possible reason as to why audiences of All in the Family would sympathize with Archie might have to do with how Meathead could be a sanctimonious prick.

So much this.

Also Jim from THE OFFICE, Ross from FRIENDS (both self-absorbed, phony "Nice Guys") and everyone except Marshall from HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER.

I agree: Chris Pine is OK but his character is just meh. Not the Captain Kirk I know. Having said that, Zachary Quinto is great as Mr Spock.  :smile:

I didn't think about Ross, but now you mention it, you are totally right.

Ray Barone from "Everybody Loves Raymond" is a douche.  

That darn Teletubby vacuum kept eating the poor terrifying beasts' cereal! Such a douche!

Okay, I'll be serious. One day a while back, I tried to watch The Big Bang Theory and I didn't find it funny at all. And honestly, the "Sheldon" man is just kind of creepy to me. Just the way he acts and some of the things he says come off as either douchey, or just awkward in a more "Can I turn on 'Barom 1' now?" sort of way. I don't know, I just personally did not like him.

Another one would be Brennan in Bones. She shows kindness and sweetness every now and again, but most of the time she's just really condescending and mostly yells at her coworkers for not "doing it right". If there's one thing I hate (especially in real life), it is narcissism. People who are full of themselves are just the pinnacle of douches.

I guess we were supposed to "like" or feel sympathy for the villainous team of illusionists in Now You See Me (2013), though each one of them came off as a douche bag.

I don't think Brennan is necessarily supposed to be narcissistic.  I think she's supposed to  have some sort of social interaction disorder.  Then again I haven't watched a lot of Bones but from the few episodes I have seen that's what I interpreted it as.   Same with Sheldon.  They don't know how to properly interact with people.

Like, House is a narcissistic.  He knows exactly what he's doing and acting, how people perceive him and just doesn't care.  The other two might not have as much as a choice in their actions.

I believe both Brennan and Sheldon are intended to be stereotypical "science nerds" by way of being on the autism spectrum and socially inept as a result.  Definitely not by choice.

I haven't really watched enough of either of those two shows. I actually kinda liked Brennan, but she could come off as a bit full of herself at times. But, you could be right. I may just be judging unfairly. I can't say for sure, because I haven't seen enough of the show, but from what I have seen of it, I remember her being a little on the full of herself side.

As for Sheldon, I just remember him acting like a creepy stalker person. But hey, I've only seen the show once, and a long time ago. My memory's probably pretty fuzzy. So, I can't really be sure about that one.

I'm not sure if that's how you guys' interpreted what I said, but I just want to quickly say, I by no means meant to come off as against people with social disorders. In no way did I mean that. That was just how I thought of the characters when I saw the shows, which I didn't see much of to begin with. So, deep apologies if I did come off that way. Brennan, now that you guys said it, I can now see that she could have a social interaction disorder. My first thoughts on the character were just how she was belittling everyone else and couldn't stand being wrong, which I interpreted as narcissism, but now I think you may be right. She did also show kindness throughout certain areas of the show.

I watched the Amazon series The Man in the High Castle based on the Philip K. Dick book about an alternate reality where the Axis won WWII. I haven't read the book and overall I enjoyed the series.

My issue was the main character. She is one of those characters who is constantly saying stuff like "I have the learn the TRUTH first!" and "Wait, I just have to make a quick detour to say goodbye to someone!" and "I know we just met but I feel I can trust you with this secret!" and "Wait! I'm going with you!" as innocent characters all round her get arrested, shot, lynched, tortured,  gassed, etc. directly or indirectly due to her actions.

Sheldon is annoying because he is a douche, yet, amusing because he is unaware of it; ergo he cannot really be a douche because all douches know they are douches.   :smile: :question: :lookingup:

The hospital administrator (Alfred Molina) in the ghastly and thankfully short-lived series Monday Mornings: what a total douchebag.  :tongueout:

Captain Victoria Gates in Castle: a woman in charge  :thumbup: :cheers: who nonetheless acts like a douche as she requires her people to call her 'sir'  :question:

Maybe she has a "secret" like "The Crying Game".

 :teddyr: :teddyr:

Another is Dr Camille Saroyan in Bones: she is always asking for her staff to do the impossible and almost never contributes to solving a crime - in one episode, she dismisses a valued intern as he is taking medical marijuana to cope with the after-effects of chemotherapy!! What a douche and her personal life is a mess.

Agree on NG, and generally on Whiplash...  But I'm actually not certain you're really supposed to like the lead in Whiplash.  Empathize with to a degree, or understand.  I dunno if he's meant to be likable for like the entire second half of the film.

My contribution, my girlfriend bought Friends recently.  Hadn't seen an episode in ages.  I'd forgotten how annoying Ross generally is.  Kind of useless and irritating.  Also, for something more recent, Keen on Blacklist.  I like her a bit more, but she's still a flat kind of annoying character surrounded by far more interesting ones.

I agree with Jim about WHIPLASH, I don't think you are supposed to like Miles Teller or conclude that his sacrifice is worth it.  I think that assumption that you are "supposed to" take his side has made many people unfairly dislike the movie. You don't have to like him for the movie to work.

That's kind of a problem with this topic: do we know for sure whether you are "supposed" to like a character? With sitcoms it's probably pretty clear that you're supposed to like the lead (other than Archie Bunker), but beyond that it can be tricky.

Heh, I find it a little worrying that I do like Archie Bunker.  Admittedly though, I think they deliberately made him more likable as the show went on. I'm too young to remember when it was originally on though, only seen random episodes in reruns.

On another related note, what is up with Japanese men in anime molesting unconscious women?  The lead in NG does this to someone in a coma, no joke.  I've seen this as a trope in several other anime (Btoom is another, but the lead in that resists as if it was the hardest thing he ever did) as well.  They act like it's an irresistible impulse, and it just comes across as bizarre.  Maybe a cultural issue I don't understand.  It's a lot harder to like or even relate to characters after that, but you're clearly meant to in these anime I'm talking about. 

Ultraman

He just won't leave those poor, innocent, rubber monsters alone! They're just trampling cities on accident.

Ozzymandias speaks: I never noticed it until I began seeing the show on Me-TV, but Dr. Kelly Bracket on Emergency is a major douche bag. He constantly yells at young nurses and other characters. He is also full of patronizing anti-drug speeches for teenagers. Several time Nurse Dixie and Dr. Joe Early tell him to calm down, to no avail.

Ozzymandias has spoken!!!

I think Radar from M*A*S*H was a little bit of a jerk during his final appearances on the series.  I don't know if that was intentional on the part of the writers or if it was Gary Burghoff's take this job and shove it attitude he was having about the job then.  I know that he was starting to wear a bit thin on the rest of the cast by then too.

Dr Max Bergman (Masi Oka) in Hawaii Five O: Masi Oka seems to be a nice guy but Dr Max is a huge douchebag IMO.  :thumbup:

Ross's ex wife and her female lover on Friends always acts like big douches.

Jordan Catalano in My So Called Life but he's not the type of guy you're not supposed to like anyway so I guess my reply is pretty pointless.

Dr Yang in Gray's Anatomy: there is a DB in one big whiny package.  :tongueout:

Anybody mention Janeway from Star Trek Voyager yet? 

I think you were supposed to root for her, but it was hard to tell at times and she sure didn't make it easy.