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All I have to say is the following:

My father served in the British South Africa Police Reserve in the former Rhodesia.
He served his country proudly.
He was a cop.
He was not a murderer.

Tarantino: class one douche-bag and all around idiot.  :hatred:

I think that if people would quit resisting arrest they'd be much less likely to get shot.

Agreed.

My father served as a deputy sheriff for many years, and he was one of the good officers, so I don't like the depiction of the police in general as being a bunch of bigoted murderers prone to the use of excessive force. That said, I have to admit that there are also a small number of bad cops out there giving the good ones a bad name, and those bad cops need to be weeded out and punished appropriately.

I will heartily agree that Tarantino is a class one douche bag whether his remarks in this case were misrepresented or not, and I will not see his upcoming movie, not because of its depiction of corrupt police officers, but simply because I don't like his movies. I know I'm in the minority here, but his movies just don't entertain me in any way, and the more success he has, the more pompous he becomes.

My thanks to your Dad for his service.  :smile:

I agree with him that if cops kill a suspect without justification it is murder and should be called such. His only published quote---"When I see murders, I do not stand by ... I have to call a murder a murder, and I have to call the murderers the murderers"---is on its face inoffensive, deliberately unspecific, and I don't see how anyone could disagree with it. I can't find much information on the context of the rally he was speaking at, though. I assume that must make a difference because otherwise I have no idea what the fuss is about.

someone from Hollywood espousing leftist views I can't believe it  :buggedout:

Seriously, it's not very brave to call cops murderers in the US in 2015. At the same time, there's a new super aggressive style of policing that's out of sync with where the country is. Freddie gray was a drug dealer and probably not a nice guy but the idea that he threw himself into the walls of a van to dislocate his own spine is too crazy to believe.


Even worse was the lady they pulled over then took to jail where she killed herself (allegedly). All she did was move out of the cops way and he managed to find a way to put her in JAIL. We don't pay these peoples salaries for things like this. Of course, they have no competition so if something goes wrong what can you do.



I don't know. I've always just done what the cop said and been polite to get through the thing and move on but I wonder if maybe we've done that too much and it's gone to their heads. maybe we need to push back a little from time to time. power is a dangerous drug

By in large I believe most cops are good guys but there are a few bad ones out there who give them as a whole a bad name.

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     This pretty much says it....

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Pretty much. I have been victim to some of the good and bad ones, so yeah. I'd have to side with Bob. Still, people calling out people with authority for their bs doesn't offend me. If they abuse their power, I've no reason to treat them with respect.

Because that worked out so well for the guy being held down by multiple police, screaming "I can't breathe"? He was such a threat that he deserved to be killed.

They should have handled that better.

That being said, if you are 400 pounds, diabetic, with a heart condition, you probably shouldn't struggle to begin with.

Thinking a little more on it, there appears to be some grandstanding hypocrisy here. He says "When I see murders, I do not stand by ... I have to call a murder a murder, and I have to call the murderers the murderers...", which I agree with, but did not to my knowledge actually have the courage to name anyone a murderer (although who really knows? has anyone heard or read his actual statements? That single quote was all I was able to find).

Are you aware of the context of US police actions and treatment, especially of minorities in the US, along with the various police shootings recently?  A lot of stuff been going on.  I dunno if it'd change your mind, but it might help you understand where he's coming from. 

As far as what he said:

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He appears around 3:20.  I know he has appeared at one other rally and talked about Tamir Rice (a child shot to death by police).



Cops also shouldn't jump on and choke you because you're arguing with them (oh, and flailed your arm) or shoot you for resisting arrest.  I guess I have higher expectations of police. 

All that said...  It's also pretty easy to notice that EVERY SINGLE TIME a cop shoots anyone or arrests anyone in even vaguely unusual circumstances, people are quick to slam the police handling of it and accuse them of things without any evidence.  Give you one example, here in St. Louis (where I live, which has been cop-citizen confrontation central the past year and a half) the Vonderitt Myers shooting.  People are basically believing in conspiracy theories to blame the cop in the situation for shooting at someone who fired upon him.  One guy I sort of know said Myers was justified in shooting at the cop pre-emptively as he was black and the cop was white.   Wish I was joking.

There was also a case of a mentally ill man approaching officers with a knife and getting shot - which I think the officers should have handled differently, but they were actually following protocol correctly (the protocol needs improvement).  I remember one person saying the officer should have shot the guy in the leg.  That should tell you enough, if you know firearms much.

Tarantino has a habit of running his mouth in many areas. That being said I also think that organisations should be able to withstand criticism, especially with some of the stuff that's happened recently. Nobody should be above reproach and I dare say that some of the nasty events I've heard about may not be murder but boy do they seem pretty close to it... I know there are alot of people who feel the same way Tarantino does, he just happens to have a mic, very little filter and a blunt delivery.

1) Quentin is an Asshat.
2) I'm not convinced about the war on police.
3) Most police are good people who want to help and get paid peanuts for it.  I love em dearly.
4) Except the ones who are more like Quentin in Point 1.  They deserve to be heavily punished if they break the law.  They are not above it.

-Ed

Based on what he says here, it makes sense.
http://youtu.be/xDHJADECk7s (http://youtu.be/xDHJADECk7s)

So somebody being choked to death should be calm because they have health conditions? Gotcha. It's clearly his fault for struggling when a gang of officers jumped on him.

They didn't jump him until he refused to be handcuffed and began to struggle.
The one time I was arrested, I let them cuff me and got into the car and rode to the station.
How exactly does resisting arrest EVER make things go better for you?

It doesn't.  That's really not the point.  People will resist arrest at times.  Police shouldn't use violence unless it is an immediate necessity, or after exhausting other options.  If someone can't or won't do this, they have no business being a police officer.

I thought Tarantino was a massive d-bag long before this latest kerfuffle....

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What the.....? When were you arrested?

Back around 1988 or 1989.  There was a piece of property that I'd had permission to hunt arrowheads on back in high school.  It had changed caretakers and I didn't know it and I got picked up for trespassing.  A couple of phone calls and it was all straightened out, though.

Oh, OK: I got kicked off a movie set in 1997 for the exact same thing. They were filming in Pretoria Central and I accidentally walked onto the set. A crew member told me to get the [deleted] off the set - public land!! - or I would be arrested.  :buggedout:

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THIS ^^^ movie.  :wink:

That's exactly my point. Resisting arrest in that case wasn't something that should've been punishable by death. Sickening how some people defend these crooked ass policemen.

If a cop shoots a guy who is running away in the back and kills him, that is murder, pure and simple.  He should be prosecuted and I certainly wouldn't defend him.

But if a cop tackles a guy who is trying to get away and in the course of the struggle the man suffers a heart attack because he is 200 pounds overweight, diabetic, and decided to fight back anyway, is that really murder?  Or is it just a tragedy?

I don't defend crooked cops, or those who deliberately abuse their power.  But I also have some idea how hard their job is, and I'm not going to throw them under the bus until I have a chance to hear their side of the story.

From what I can tell he doesn't think all cops are murderers. But he acknowledged that police brutality exists.

Seems pretty benign to me.

I have a hard time giving any cop the benefit of the doubt, or waiting to hear "their side of the story" when video evidence irrefutably shows them killing another human being, and abusing their force for a minor offense.

My policy on dealing with the police is similar to the rule of thumb about wasps: You leave them alone, and they will usually leave you alone.

I do agree with Indy about being arrested, but some people just don't get it and figure they have to take a stand or whatever they want to call it. Your best option is to offer zero resistance and only answer with the bare minimum of words, and NEVER, EVER listen to their line of crap about telling them everything because it will help you. Keep your mouth shut until you talk to a lawyer, even if you are innocent of the charges.

And, yeah, Tarantino has become a bit of a jerk and his movies have started to become tedious, but that is just my personal opinion of him and his films. Your mileage may vary.

I used to argue with cops-of course i was so drunk I would argue with a STOP sign...when I was walking!
I been in jail too much-I gave up on that looong ago. In a situation where you got hyped stupid idiots with guns and I'm the hyped stupid idiot without one-I just shut up.
As far as Tarintino-hey-it's a free country-and calling a spade a spade is allowed....look how many times he's done that in movies... :lookingup: And I do mean calling a black guy a spade or n****r. He's a glib a***ole.