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Title: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: ER on June 16, 2016, 03:42:28 PM
Seriously. Not another topic to get all Grape Ape on each other and meander beyond the intended subject, I just was curious if anyone here had some names, because as I see it, that field is wide open.

Supposedly the new wisdom is a running mate is less about carrying her or his home state and more about shoring up a ticket on a national scale, but since we still have the electoral college that makes every vote local, I don't see how that could be true. If Ohio's governor were to be on the ticket, would that help his party carry the state? I don't know. Personally I don't think the electoral college is necessarily a good idea. (Plus I tried to enroll there after high school and never could find it.)

So, ideas? Hopefully peaceful, tactful, friendly ideas?

Namaste, shalom, aloha, salaam, git-ir-done, and etc to one and all...


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: indianasmith on June 16, 2016, 05:32:40 PM
For Hillary Clinton - Elizabeth Warren!  A double estrogen ticket would drive progressives crazy.
For Donald Trump - someone sane.  Problem is, most of them want nothing to do with him.


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 16, 2016, 05:42:04 PM
Oh God, please, PLEASE let Trump pick Sarah Palin... think of the SNL skits! If not her, then Ben Carson. Ted Cruz would also be HILARIOUS, but that's a pipe dream I'm sure.

For Clinton the choices are boring: just pick any moderate white male and she'll do fine. NOT Warren, obviously!

And I think the Electoral College is a good idea. It's sort of a last-ditch safeguard to frustrate the will of the people if they favor a demagogue.


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on June 16, 2016, 06:51:00 PM
For Hillary Clinton - Elizabeth Warren!  A double estrogen ticket would drive progressives crazy.
For Donald Trump - someone sane.  Problem is, most of them want nothing to do with him.

For once, I think almost everyone is on the same page, at this time.

For Hillary Clinton, I--too--have heard Warren's name mentioned, in the belief, she'll attract the people who voted for Sanders' during the primary.

For Donald Trump, I don't know about the sanity part, but . . .?! I agree with the part that most Republicans want to keep him as far away as possible, so I think it'll be interesting to find out how many Republicans will turn him down, before he finds someone who'll run with him.


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: Skull on June 16, 2016, 08:22:06 PM
Hillary Vice-Presidential pick is going to be somebody expendable. Elizabeth Warren is 66 years old and I have doubts that the democrat party is going to run a granny ticket. I think Hillary should pick up Jeb Bush (Since the Rhinos are like democrats).


Trump... Sarah Palin would be awesome but I think Trump said he wants somebody that has experiences in passing bills. The bridge is burnt with Ted Cruz - though if Ted Cruz was 'smart' he should had drop out after Marco Rubio dropped out. But he didn't so it's doubtful Cruz would be picked. I also believe Ben Carson don't want to be Vice-President because he's looking for Secretary of State. So I'm going to pick... Marco Rubio as Trump's VP.

My picks:

Hillary --------> Jeb Bush

Trump --------> Marco Rubio
 


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: Trevor on June 17, 2016, 06:10:04 AM
For Donald Trump - someone sane. 

So, not me then  :wink:


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 17, 2016, 07:44:51 AM
Actually, Skull, picking a Republican (if she could find one willing to switch sides) would not be a bad choice at all for Hillary in terms of poaching potential Trump voters. The only thing is, I don't think she should take any gambles---she's ahead solidly in the polls, no need to rock the boat.


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: Skull on June 17, 2016, 08:12:37 AM
Actually, Skull, picking a Republican (if she could find one willing to switch sides) would not be a bad choice at all for Hillary in terms of poaching potential Trump voters. The only thing is, I don't think she should take any gambles---she's ahead solidly in the polls, no need to rock the boat.

Sorry but I don't trust the polls. I think I would trust Facebook likes more.

Hillary Clinton

4,050,960

https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/likes (https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/likes)

Donald J. Trump

8,328,253

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/likes (https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/likes)


And if you look at the Likes Trump is gaining speed and Hillary is dropping - I wonder if the night club shooting has anything to do with it...


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Like I said, I NEVER TRUSTED the polls... (and I said that a dozen times on the other thread). So I wouldn't be surprised that Hillary would pull a republican out of her ass. :)








Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: Rev. Powell on June 17, 2016, 08:49:12 AM
Actually, Skull, picking a Republican (if she could find one willing to switch sides) would not be a bad choice at all for Hillary in terms of poaching potential Trump voters. The only thing is, I don't think she should take any gambles---she's ahead solidly in the polls, no need to rock the boat.

Sorry but I don't trust the polls. I think I would trust Facebook likes more.

Hillary Clinton

4,050,960

https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/likes (https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/likes)

Donald J. Trump

8,328,253

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/likes (https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/likes)


And if you look at the Likes Trump is gaining speed and Hillary is dropping - I wonder if the night club shooting has anything to do with it...


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Like I said, I NEVER TRUSTED the polls... (and I said that a dozen times on the other thread). So I wouldn't be surprised that Hillary would pull a republican out of her ass. :)








I go by the markets: https://www.predictit.org/ (https://www.predictit.org/)


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: lester1/2jr on June 17, 2016, 10:56:01 AM
I think Clinton picking Warren is "baked in" as they say on Wall St

Trump I have no idea. Christie is auditioning pretty hard


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on June 30, 2016, 05:17:01 PM
This is just a tentative list so far, but . . .?! the following are believed to be on Clinton's short list of possible vice president nominees.

Afro-Americans
Senator Cory Booker
New Jersey

Latinos
Representative Xavier Becerra
California
Julian Castro
Thomas E. Perez

Senators
Michael Bennett
Colorado
Sherrod Brown
Ohio
Tim Kaine
Virginia
Mark Warner
Virginia

Women
Senator Elizabeth Warren
Massachusetts

The article went on to say, taking a page from her husband's playbook and Gore, and the relationship between Obama and Biden, one of the chief criteria will be compatibility with her choice.

And we'll see what we'll see.


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: Skull on June 30, 2016, 05:22:08 PM
This is just a tentative list so far, but . . .?! the following are believed to be on Clinton's short list of possible vice president nominees.

Afro-Americans
Senator Cory Booker
New Jersey

Latinos
Representative Xavier Becerra
California
Julian Castro
Thomas E. Perez

Senators
Michael Bennett
Colorado
Sherrod Brown
Ohio
Tim Kaine
Virginia
Mark Warner
Virginia

Women
Senator Elizabeth Warren
Massachusetts

The article went on to say, taking a page from her husband's playbook and Gore, and the relationship between Obama and Biden, one of the chief criteria will be compatibility with her choice.

And we'll see what we'll see.

I still think Jeb Bush should be on Hillary's short list :)


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: frank on July 01, 2016, 02:53:21 AM

For Donald Trump: Andrew Hill Card Jr. --> That'll be "Trump Card for 2016"

For Hillary Clinton: Don Ness --> That'll be Her "Clinton-Ness in 2016"





Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: Trevor on July 01, 2016, 07:01:10 AM
Agnew from Futurama  :wink:

(https://theinfosphere.org/images/thumb/f/fb/Headless_body_of_Agnew.jpg/225px-Headless_body_of_Agnew.jpg)


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: Skull on July 01, 2016, 08:07:39 AM

For Donald Trump: Andrew Hill Card Jr. --> That'll be "Trump Card for 2016"

For Hillary Clinton: Don Ness --> That'll be Her "Clinton-Ness in 2016"





 :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on July 16, 2016, 05:44:21 PM
It looks like it's official. Trump's running mate will be Governor Mike Pence, Republican of Indiana. Probably the best of a limited lot, and thus it is unlikely to hurt Trump in his run for the Presidency. On the other hand, he's probably not going to be much of a help at this time, as the latest polls show that only 22% of Republicans say it'll make them more likely to vote for Trump, and only 12% of non-Republicans say it'll make them more likely to vote for Trump.

And we will see what we will see.


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: Allhallowsday on July 16, 2016, 08:37:48 PM
...And I think the Electoral College is a good idea. It's sort of a last-ditch safeguard to frustrate the will of the people if they favor a demagogue.
 
I agree with that statement.  'Tis troubling, like spellcheck...  :lookingup:


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: ulthar on July 17, 2016, 08:18:12 PM
Quote

she's ahead solidly in the polls, no need to rock the boat.


Not anymore.

Looks like the "Comey Manipulation" is backfiring big time.  She's probably the most corrupt person to ever RUN for President, and even her own party is "solidly" hating her these days.

She'll hang on to a few sycophants no matter what she does...and, she can always count on at least "passive" support from the Never Trumpers.

I doubt her VP pick will help her much.


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 18, 2016, 10:16:11 AM
Quote

she's ahead solidly in the polls, no need to rock the boat.



Not anymore.

Looks like the "Comey Manipulation" is backfiring big time.  She's probably the most corrupt person to ever RUN for President, and even her own party is "solidly" hating her these days.

She'll hang on to a few sycophants no matter what she does...and, she can always count on at least "passive" support from the Never Trumpers.

I doubt her VP pick will help her much.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html)

Last I saw Trump only leads in one poll and is tied in one, Clinton leads most. Trump has closed, though. Long way to go still. Both of their personlities are so powerful and dislikability so high I doubt either Veep choice will be much of a factor.

(Yes, Skull, we know Trump has more Facebook likes!)


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: ulthar on July 18, 2016, 10:33:14 AM

Last I saw Trump only leads in one poll and is tied in one, Clinton leads most. Trump has closed, though.


So, my statement was fair, then, right?  She's not "solidly leading" anymore.  She's loosing in some polls (especially in the 'battleground' states of FL, OH and PA) and more importantly, loosing ground steadily.

I don't think pre-convention polls have any statistical efficacy (regarding the general election) in the history of American politics.

The polls are NOTHING more than a talking for media pundits to fuel their own egos.  Such polls mean nothing.  They certainly have zero predictive power.


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 18, 2016, 10:53:32 AM

Last I saw Trump only leads in one poll and is tied in one, Clinton leads most. Trump has closed, though.


So, my statement was fair, then, right?  She's not "solidly leading" anymore. 

Yes, I misinterpreted your meaning. "Solidly" is not quantifiable, but Trump has closed lately. 


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on July 24, 2016, 01:31:17 PM
What was unofficial is now official. The other Vice President nominee is Senator Tim Kaine, Democrat of Virginia. You can get a better look at him, if you want, at this week's Democrat Convention.


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: Skull on July 25, 2016, 08:02:54 AM

The polls are NOTHING more than a talking for media pundits to fuel their own egos.  Such polls mean nothing.  They certainly have zero predictive power.

I've never trusted the polls and wikileaks seemed to suggest that the media was in on helping Hillary in the primary (I won't be surprised they fixed the poll numbers too)


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: ulthar on July 25, 2016, 08:55:28 AM
Speaking of VP picks and media collusion with the DNC, I have seen ONE reference to a Tim Kaine quote wherein he said Hillary should be held accountable for her crimes with the email server.

Now, I don't know if Kaine actually said this, as I cannot vet it independently of that one claim.  What I CAN say is that my own online searches for confirmation of this quote have turned up no independent confirmation.  It may well be a false claim or a misinterpretation of something he did say.

The point of bringing it up is this: MSM = ZERO Credibility

I have not trusted what I see in the MSM for a very long time. I sure has heck don't trust them to report something like this Kaine quote (if it happened). The absence of this quote from MSM sources means nothing.

What I have turned up in my searches for this quote is hundreds of 'repeat headlines' and identical copy from one source to another.  The swooning over the Kaine pick has every appearance of being scripted.  Like so many other MSM stories of the past 25 years.

The MSM sure has been "Selling" the Kaine VP pick to their readers/viewers.  My guess is most people claiming it's such a slick move had never even heard of Kaine before this weekend.


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: Skull on July 25, 2016, 09:16:57 AM
Speaking of VP picks and media collusion with the DNC, I have seen ONE reference to a Tim Kaine quote wherein he said Hillary should be held accountable for her crimes with the email server.

Now, I don't know if Kaine actually said this, as I cannot vet it independently of that one claim.  What I CAN say is that my own online searches for confirmation of this quote have turned up no independent confirmation.  It may well be a false claim or a misinterpretation of something he did say.

The point of bringing it up is this: MSM = ZERO Credibility

I have not trusted what I see in the MSM for a very long time. I sure has heck don't trust them to report something like this Kaine quote (if it happened). The absence of this quote from MSM sources means nothing.

What I have turned up in my searches for this quote is hundreds of 'repeat headlines' and identical copy from one source to another.  The swooning over the Kaine pick has every appearance of being scripted.  Like so many other MSM stories of the past 25 years.

The MSM sure has been "Selling" the Kaine VP pick to their readers/viewers.  My guess is most people claiming it's such a slick move had never even heard of Kaine before this weekend.

Sorry but I'm saving all my political vent on the other thread. can you copy pasted this on the other thread :)


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: ulthar on July 25, 2016, 09:37:08 AM

Sorry but I'm saving all my political vent on the other thread. can you copy pasted this on the other thread :)


Thought it fit here since it was about the VP pick.  I'm going to wait a few days to see if that 'quote' circulates and can be verified.

And speaking of Hillary's VP pick, did ya'll see the story where she 'demanded' private account passwords and access to personal phones of all those in the running so she could vet 'em?  Not just the VP contenders, but their families as well.

So, these people wanted political power as Hillary's VP bad enough to sell our their family security to the very woman with an exposed track record of not securing ANYTHING?

Makes perfect sense.


Title: Re: Vice-Presidential Nominees?
Post by: LilCerberus on July 25, 2016, 10:56:27 AM
The Michael Dukakis wannabe, Tim Kaine came home over the weekend.
The local press tried to compare him to Jesus.
No, really.