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Title: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on March 25, 2017, 02:15:24 PM
Yeah-the campaign is over-so yup! Trump is our President-and-for no other reason but to make a daily report on our fearless leader-I can do that-right! I'm going to do a day to day coverage of Mr. Trump. Lets see if he keeps his campaign promises,dont ya think thats fair and balanced?


Oh-he gave up on stopping Obama Care-one of his promises to you.
He left Paul Ryan in the lurch. Nice.

 http://youtu.be/s-beouRE0OQ (http://youtu.be/s-beouRE0OQ)



Title: Re: Our President
Post by: El Misfit on March 25, 2017, 05:18:57 PM
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Title: Re: Our President
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 25, 2017, 07:59:25 PM
Hey Ronnie, I thought you swore off politics?   :question:


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 25, 2017, 08:28:17 PM
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Title: Re: Our President
Post by: indianasmith on March 25, 2017, 10:38:47 PM
In defense of Ronnie, this presidency does seem like a bad movie . . .  :buggedout:


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: bob on March 25, 2017, 10:40:55 PM
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Title: Re: Our President
Post by: kakihara on March 26, 2017, 08:48:32 AM
ok, ok, im expecting this thread to devolve and get deleted. seems kind of pointless. anyway, i have stated before that im supportive of what trumps trying to do. im not a fan-boy, im not someone who loves every little thing he does. also, im not on the trump bashing train. i dont hold it against any of you that dont support trump or even hate him, i understand.

im dissapointed in the obamacare repeal promise. as for him giving up on obamacare, there is only so much one man can do, its literally him against the world. he may have the executive power to do something, but hes already being called hitler. when obamcare becomes a national crisis, it will be blamed on trump. i see the media celebrating like little children, "whoooo, trump failed!", "worst 100 first days ever!". He is still OUR president, and if he is failing, then we are failing.

leaving paul ryan in the lurch? paul is a traitor, hes no better than the party that he claims to oppose. he just committed political suicide and all of this will be his undoing.

i personally think trump made a mistake in trying to work with everyone and make deals. i assume he thinks that he can make a good deal, then everyone will see the light. most of congress are willing to block and ruin everything they can just to spite the president. this is stupid, evil and treasonous. not because they are against trump, but because they are against something that could actually benefit the american people.

what about the promises kept? what about the TPP? what about cutting regulations? what about the lobbiests?


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: Zapranoth on March 27, 2017, 12:42:28 AM
Drinking on a Sunday night, Ronnie?  :D


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on March 28, 2017, 07:06:50 PM
Drinking on a Sunday night, Ronnie?  :D

Who-me?  :lookingup:


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 01, 2017, 04:01:44 PM
Well,now things are getting interesting! Already this thing with Russia is being compared to Watergate and the Iran-Contra affair. And this is only April! I bet you dollars to donuts my prediction will come true-Trump is gonna never gonna make 4 years. He has turned on the Tea Party -and his own party -beyond his ass kissing appointments-are befuddled. The guy is like a 15 year old girl-he can't stop tweeting! He put his foot in his mouth. He f**ked himself. Flynn and Manafort are THESWAMP he promised to drain. What a f**king phoney. I said he wanted to be President for $$$-and it looks like thats the case. Along with the nepotism-gimme a f**king break. Seems to me-the folks who voted for Trump are about like the folks who think s**t in the WWF is real. Guilliable morons.
Trump is an evil money hungry idiot demigod.
Another prediction-the reason Trump won't release his tax returns-cuz it will lead back to his money in Russia. And is why he sucks Putins dick.
The elections over-I aint a Democrat-I aint on nobodys side her-I just know what I see in Washington is insane. And I have every right as an American citizen to be f**king worried! Because this s**t is crazy! I never trusted f**king Hillary either! Or Trump! If it was up to me-we should riot in the f**king streets cuz I'm a radical like that.I love destruction. I'm f**king GLAD Trump got elected! I love chaos! And this is chaos! GROOVY. You get what you pay for. Thing is-you guys pledge alliance to flags I burn up! I NEVER like ANY goverment f**kers. They're all salesmen.So-Trump lovers-if you think I'm attacking you-( I AM)-I'm also  attacking ALL politictions. They're all liars.

http://youtu.be/iT1muWE8RzA (http://youtu.be/iT1muWE8RzA)



Title: Re: Our President
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 01, 2017, 05:58:53 PM
the whole russia thing started because of wikileaks releasing the DNC emails. Those emails showed that the DNC was colluding with Hillary's campaign to marginalize Sanders.

Instead of apologizing and/ or firing her staff and demanding DNC reform, that is instead of doing what a normal person would do, Hillary tried to deflect the whole issue by making the leaks themselves the news. It didn't work. Sanders supporters still rightfully felt slighted and didn't come out for her where she needed them. It also demonstrated to those on the fence that she couldn't handle a crisis.  

The story itself has never made any sense. Why, if Donald trump wanted to hack the DNC, would he have Russia do it?

More to the point, why would Americans care or have any rational fear about RUSSIA in 2017? They're struggling with low oil prices, and generally being a 2nd or third rate world power. Their former states, the unity of which made them powerful once, are now independent. They are laudably helping to fight ISIS and dropping bombs on their heads which is the best thing I've ever heard of anyone doing so...generally speaking really not the threat they once were.

Every day the John McCain part of America and the media is on the cusp of some big reveal about trump that never happens. remember the "dossier"? the big headliner hook of which was invented by people on 4chan? or when he tweeted something that if you looked at it a certain why looked like a star of David and this was a secret message to Nazis or something.

bottom line: more than enough rope to hang trump with on his policies and things he has demonstrably done. no need to make anything up


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 01, 2017, 07:09:49 PM
OK-Lester-then why is Trump 's people in a panic mode? Why does Flynn want immunity? WTF are they afraid of?
Trump and Flynn said it themselves-"Why do you want immunity if a crime hasn't been commited"?  Something stinks in Denmark. The facts-the FACTS-is that Trumps folks have been hanging out with Russians. FACT-Russia wanted Trump as President.This is fact. Not 'fake news" The only fake s**t comes out of Trumps mouth-all the time-he has a history of BULLs**t. Starting back from "Obama's not an American". IT'S ALL BULL s**t. Trump is a multimillionaire who made his money by lying-look at Trump University. For the love of Pete-the man's a gangster.
And I agree-Hillary should have been prosecuted. I aint saying she shouldn't.. The Dems aint angels. But I don't give a f**k about that right now-because she aint President.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 01, 2017, 07:32:23 PM
I know lotsa folks don't want to discuss this-"AGAIN"?-well-if you don't-you don't have to respond to this post. Myself-I think it's important. More important than "whats yer favorite bad movie." This is real.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: indianasmith on April 01, 2017, 08:40:19 PM
There are some things Trump has done that I agree with, but the overall ineptitude, sloppiness, and above all his cringe-worthy personal insecurity over ANY form of criticism completely transcends any genuine accomplishments.  Every President gets nasty media coverage from one side or the other.  Obama endured some of the most savage hatred from the far right that any President has ever had to put up with, and Bush endured the same thing from the radical left and the peace-niks.  BOTH of them handled their critics with grace and good humor, and above all, they IGNORED the haters and went on doing the job of President.   They didn't stoop to answering every criticism from Hollywood or talk radio, and they didn't throw juvenile temper tantrums on Twitter every time they didn't get their way.

I liked George W. Bush and generally agreed with him.  I did not like Obama and very rarely agreed with him.  But both of them understood the dignity and the responsibility of the job they undertook.
Trump doesn't get any of that.  He doesn't want loyalty, he wants worship.  He doesn't want compromise, he longs to be a dictator. 

That is why I believe Trump is psychologically unfit for the job.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 01, 2017, 10:24:01 PM
RC- What is an example of something Trump might have done with "the Russians" that would be illegal or even bad? lets say theres a secret tape of Putin and Trump talking. what is the sinister thing that Trump is gonna say. give them our national parks? airlift gold to them or something? Where is the "there" there is all I'm asking

I agree with you about the chaos and I like it too. We needed it. Even Allhallowsday at one point conceded that while he certainly doesn't like trump, he sees that it's DISRUPTIVE.




Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 01, 2017, 10:44:41 PM
RC- What is an example of something Trump might have done with "the Russians" that would be illegal or even bad? lets say theres a secret tape of Putin and Trump talking. what is the sinister thing that Trump is gonna say. give them our national parks? airlift gold to them or something? Where is the "there" there is all I'm asking

I agree with you about the chaos and I like it too. We needed it. Even Allhallowsday at one point conceded that while he certainly doesn't like trump, he sees that it's DISRUPTIVE.




What is wrong with it is that Russia tried to f**k with our elections. THAT is whats wrong,man! And If Trump was in on it-yeah-THAT is wrong.Trumps buddies are in cahoots with Russians. Russians are BAD. Simple math. This aint Reagan's party.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: AoTFan on April 02, 2017, 12:03:23 AM
More to the point, why would Americans care or have any rational fear about RUSSIA in 2017? They're struggling with low oil prices, and generally being a 2nd or third rate world power. Their former states, the unity of which made them powerful once, are now independent. They are laudably helping to fight ISIS and dropping bombs on their heads which is the best thing I've ever heard of anyone doing so...generally speaking really not the threat they once were.

That is a good question.  I think some people really want a war with Russia. Probably not an all out war, but just enough to cause some skirmishes and get a couple hundred or so armed forces guys killed.  Why, I don't know, I've heard a lot of theories, but it's hard to shift out something that make sense from conspiracy nutjob s**t.  I do know that of the two candidates Hillary has always seemed the one to be frothing at the mouth hawkish when it comes to Russia (even compared Putin to Hitler at one point.) which is really weird because, stereotypically, the Democrats are supposed to be anti-war and pro "everyone get along no matter what we give up in the name peace" mentality.  At the same time, the Democrats are preaching peace, love and tolerance when it comes to our foes from the Middle East and that we need to "understand" why terrorists do the things they do.

To be fair, on the other side, there is a faction in the Republican party that wants a fight with Russia as well.  Maybe I'm wrong, but antagonizing a superpower who has nukes just doesn't seem like a smart idea unless you've got a good reason. 


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 02, 2017, 12:26:41 AM
RC- What is an example of something Trump might have done with "the Russians" that would be illegal or even bad? lets say theres a secret tape of Putin and Trump talking. what is the sinister thing that Trump is gonna say. give them our national parks? airlift gold to them or something? Where is the "there" there is all I'm asking

I agree with you about the chaos and I like it too. We needed it. Even Allhallowsday at one point conceded that while he certainly doesn't like trump, he sees that it's DISRUPTIVE.
Even Allhallowsday...???   :question:


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 02, 2017, 04:59:45 AM
RC- What is an example of something Trump might have done with "the Russians" that would be illegal or even bad? lets say theres a secret tape of Putin and Trump talking. what is the sinister thing that Trump is gonna say. give them our national parks? airlift gold to them or something? Where is the "there" there is all I'm asking

I agree with you about the chaos and I like it too. We needed it. Even Allhallowsday at one point conceded that while he certainly doesn't like trump, he sees that it's DISRUPTIVE.
Even Allhallowsday...???   :question:

Even Allhallowsday...? WTF does that have to do with the price of eggs in China? And why do folks keep harping on Clinton? I don't give a f**k about Hillary. SHES NOT THE PRESIDENT. Trump is. And Only a blind man  couldn't see-somethings f**ked up.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: kakihara on April 02, 2017, 07:35:37 AM
Can someone please tell me how russia "meddled" with our election? Ive been waiting, wheres the report or evidence or whatever bombshell revelation thats going to be released. They have always hacked us,  and we have always hacked them. When china hacks us and attacks us,  nobody cares. You have all been distracted from the real issues. When the dnc was hacked everyone focused on the fact that the they were hacked instead of the contents of those emails.  Just in those emails alone there is far more collusion and treason than you can ever accuse trump of.  Hillary sold alot of uranium to russia,  obama was recorded talking to putin " i can do more for you after the election" , but oh no! Trump built a hotel somewhere and the contracter was russian!


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 02, 2017, 09:50:48 AM
allhallowsday - you said that at one point didn't you? maybe I'm mistaken I meant in the sense that even someone who clearly isn't a fan of Trump can see that he is stirring things up.

RC
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What is wrong with it is that Russia tried to f**k with our elections. THAT is whats wrong,man! And If Trump was in on it-yeah-THAT is wrong.Trumps buddies are in cahoots with Russians. Russians are BAD. Simple math. This aint Reagan's party.

again what does "f**k with our elections" mean? and in what way are russian bad? can you be specific in either area? You're telling rather than showing

aotfan - Putin fighting ISIS is, believe it or not, a big problem with a certain segment of people in DC because they want to get rid of Assad. They are constantly trying to find ways to get these "moderate rebels" our help. the problem is these guys aren't moderate they are all wahabi psychos. Even after Iraq they want to take out a secular dictator and leave the country to the mercy of jihadists it's insane.

so Putin destroying ISIS and these other groups is bad to them. talk about screwed up morality.

I think Putin is also a kind of symbol of this whole populist thing. that people in England didn't want to be part of the EU and the old world order is dying. the last gasps, to paraphrase Dick Cheney, of the 90s ways. John McCain is kind of the Trump or Putin of that order and the press worships him like a God.
 


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: kakihara on April 02, 2017, 10:34:00 AM
Lester - i agree.

Russia destroyed more of issis in 2 weeks than we did in 8 years! Its in their best interest as a  country to do so. Putin is the new boogey man,  again, a total diversion. Putins no angel,  i know.  Up until a year ago, nobody cared about russia, all of the politicians who are talking about russian collusion have been involved with them. They have made very lucrative deals, and it was all public. They went on press tours promoting it! People like mccain (loyal opposition) claim everything is an act of war! This jerk sells weapons to the " rebels" , which in most cases ARE the same groups that they claim to fight! The whole thing is a joke! As for trump failing and messing things up: every person that he has to work with are completly against him. It wouldnt matter if he had a cure for cancer, it would be blocked.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 02, 2017, 11:04:26 AM
kakihara- I get the "world as chess game" thing re Assad and iran and whatnot but...this is ISIS I mean come on. It's not one of these complicated arcane issues. They could not telegraph their absolute evil more explicitly if they wanted to.

indiana- I see what you're saying. he even went after the freedom caucus recently which I am a big fan of generally speaking. at the same time, decorum went out the window a long time ago. it's just how it is one has to adjust, I think


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 02, 2017, 11:48:07 AM
allhallowsday - you said that at one point didn't you? maybe I'm mistaken I meant in the sense that even someone who clearly isn't a fan of Trump can see that he is stirring things up.
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You're not wrong.  The only issue I have with your statement I had quoted; I don't represent a faction.  I wasn't one of several members arguing for or against Trump last year, though I had a bit of fun with it.  And I have stated I think Trump did a good thing by upending the process. 


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: El Misfit on April 06, 2017, 09:20:29 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-launches-missiles-syrian-base-after-chemical-weapons-attack-n743636 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-launches-missiles-syrian-base-after-chemical-weapons-attack-n743636)
GG


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: indianasmith on April 06, 2017, 10:41:12 PM
No one's been a harsher critic of Trump than me, but he did the right thing tonight.  Assad definitely had it coming!


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 07, 2017, 12:32:08 AM
Yikes, and I was just about to give Indiana credit for his prediction that Trump would start ww3.

Not really seeing how Assad " had it coming" considering he's fighting ISIS and Al Queda. in fact it was most likely one of their secret chemical weapons facilities that was hit earlier this week. Assad was beating the Wahabi rebels and had no motive whatsoever for a public attack on civilians. He has denied it explicitly.

great night for Saudi Arabia and their terrorist allies everywhere, especially in Syria and surrounding areas. like these delightful people

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/jihadist-rebels-attack-christian-church-northern-hama/ (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/jihadist-rebels-attack-christian-church-northern-hama/)

BEIRUT, LEBANON (4:10 P.M.) – The jihadist rebels of Hay’at Tahrir Al-Sham and the Free Syrian Army (FSA) launched several artillery shells towards the predominately Christian city of Mhardeh in northern Hama today.

As a result of today’s attack by the jihadist rebels, the St. George Roman Orthodox Church inside of Mhardeh was damaged, along with several buildings nearby.

According to local activists in northern Hama, the jihadist attack on Mhardeh wounded at least a dozen civilians that were in the vicinity of the St. George Church.


Previously, the jihadist rebels issued a statement telling the civilians of Mhardeh to not fear them because they only intend to fight the government; however, the Free Syrian Army has continued to attack this Christian city with a barrage of artillery shells and missiles everyday.

thanks oba.. I mean Trump


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 07, 2017, 04:27:33 AM
I just wanna puke. A TV show guy is in control of WW3. Lester-Yer an idiot. What is happening in Syria is so much complicated than your black and white point of view. Turkey,Russia,Isis,the USA,and other factions make Syria a big f**king mess. Being as Trump is butt buddy's with Putin-I dont see good things happining. Lester-yer idealism falls short in the face of the real world.WAKE UP.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 07, 2017, 04:30:37 AM
the best thing Trump did was dump Britebart idiot Bannon-Trump may have a chance if he gets rid of these conspirisy morons. Bannon is an idiot. You and the guy with the Nazi sign on his avatar are living in a WWF fantasy world. GROW UP.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 07, 2017, 04:43:30 AM
Lester-you asked me what is wrong with Russia? Ok-They tried to fix our elections-and I know you would like to think they didnt-but they did-the CIA-the FBI-said so. They support  Assad-who gassed kids.  Take yer tin hat off. We can fight Isis without teaming up with this f**ker.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 07, 2017, 04:59:17 AM
Lester-I always thought you were an intelligent man. How can you support a man who lies about even the simplest facts? Obama is not an American citizen. Obama wire tapped Trump Tower. Obama Obama Obama. The man is justifying his bulls**t by blasting Obama. The  campaign is over,man. He needs to f**king DO something-beyond bithing about OBAMA!


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 07, 2017, 05:03:09 AM
Lester-I always thought you were an intelligent man. How can you support a man who lies about even the simplest facts? Obama is not an American citizen. Obama wire tapped Trump Tower. Obama Obama Obama. The man is justifying his bulls**t by blasting Obama. The  campaign is over,man. He needs to f**king DO something-beyond bithing about OBAMA!

EDIT-Trump just bombed Syria-the best thing he's done. I'm glad he did that. Now s**t is getting real. This is getting scary. I aint gonna blast Trump no more-this is much more serious than politics. This is war. This is BAD.
This should be interesting. How Trump deals with Russia-his buddy Putin. Looks like a b***h fight! SCARY :buggedout:


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: ER on April 07, 2017, 08:53:38 AM
Respectfully, RC, when you wrote that the FBI and the CIA "say so" about Russian involvement in US elections, I have to mention here, no, the mouthpieces of the agencies, the ones who play politics and owe their high-profile positions to political appointment, they are the ones saying what huge numbers of the rank and files who do the field work do not agree with. Truth, being the daughter of time, may eventually show the situation was completely otherwise. Russia played no significant role in influencing the US election last November.

Just to comment on today's big news, what the US did last night was a tragic error. We are being led around by the nose by being shown images of gassed children, all calculated to bring on an emotion reaction. Were their children gassed there? Very likely since children often die in wars, and ISIS is known to routinely plant women and children in sites where it conducts its affairs, so of course they were probably there to make those who hit them appear evil. But remember, ISIS and groups like it also have a history of importing "victims" and planting them in front of the cameras.  Is it beyond ISIS to gas children and truck them in to the location of Tuesday's attack?

Assad's government is brutal and not by any means "good" but there's no one on this planet with more at stake in fighting ISIS, our mutual enemy, than Assad, and it's as if the lessons of recent history have gone completely unlearned. Namely if you topple secular dictators in the Islamic world, the vacuum is rapidly filled by Islamic militants who make life worse, and seek to bring ruination onto western civilization. You weaken Assad, you strengthen ISIS. Assad has never drowned Christians in cages like ISIS has. Assad has never destroyed ancient sites. Assad has never run over homosexuals with trucks, or put out the eyes of women who learn to read. ISIS has does all that. Assad's government is infinitely preferable and should be backed by the US as the lesser evil. Under Assad Jews and Christians lived in relative peace, women went to school, there was a decent level of prosperity. Where ISIS controls Syria, there is madness and terror and the imposition of a twisted Medieval religious code, written by a man who had sex with a nine-year-old.

Think, people. Which is more likely, Assad got up one morning feeling especially brutal and suddenly decided to go bomb his own people, or that Assad struck at an ISIS target?

Gassing someone to death may be horrible, but why is dying slowly from poison gas that fell from the sky somehow worse than dying slowly from a bomb falling from the sky? The US has a long history of bombing civilians, albeit not with gas, so how can we sit in judgment on someone else?

It's like watching the same mistakes get made again and again as we step back into the same old quicksand, though with much more at stake. Welcome to the Fourth Turning.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 07, 2017, 09:43:11 AM
You could be right,ER. In this world of bulls**t-it's hard to say what is fact and what is propaganda bulls**t. But  I think being as people who are on the ground there-and its international news-it's true.
The problem is nowadays-for some-no one trusts the news-BECAUSE of the fact that our fearless leader-and Putin-spin bulls**t lies as fact. It muddies the water. You can't believe anything that comes out of Trumps mouth. Or Putons. They spin their own reality. Thats why you listen to the news services. And no-not FOX-which is bulls**t pundits. Or Racheal Meadows or Hardball-I mean just plain news. Thats mostly true.
We like to think were the good guys. The fact is-as far as Syria is concerned-Russia,Isis,Assad and  the USA-are the bad guys-as far as innocent civilians in the middle of power struggles are concerned. No one is innocent.
Did Assad wake up one morning to be brutal?-sure-Hitler killed millions without batting an eyelash. Don't ever underestimate the super powerful's ability to murder . It happens all the time.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 07, 2017, 10:22:27 AM
RC-  "I just wanna puke. A TV show guy is in control of WW3."

I actually agree with this first statement of yours now!

The rest is the same stuff again and again and then you change your mind when he bombs a middle eastern country with no evidence.  that always works out so well!

"-Hitler killed millions without batting an eyelash"

and did he ever deny it? no assad has explicitly denied having committed this atrocity and it's totally plausible that he didn't because, as ER points out,  he had no logical reason to.

Hitler, Stalin etc killed millions for their strategic goals however sinister. Assad would gain nothing from, after routing ISIS and closing in on victory in a years long civil war, attracting international attention with an attack of this nature.

more to the point: They told us Saddam threw babies from incubators, Clinton said the factory in Sudan was for making anthrax or something. I can't even remember the last time we went to war over a certifiable act of some kind. it's always this gulf of tonkin stuff.

At any rate ,= would it have hurt to do SOME kind of investigation first ? not to mention HAVING A VOTE as called for in the dang Constitution thats another thing


ER- "Assad's government is brutal and not by any means "good" but there's no one on this planet with more at stake in fighting ISIS, our mutual enemy, than Assad, and it's as if the lessons of recent history have gone completely unlearned."


that pretty much says it all. I remember my local newspaper heralding what we did in Libya. here it is https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2012/07/26/libya-iraq-intervention-against-khadafy-was-model-what-can-right/e6lR8EJDppvoNS2K37vqtI/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2012/07/26/libya-iraq-intervention-against-khadafy-was-model-what-can-right/e6lR8EJDppvoNS2K37vqtI/story.html)

look at it now, a total disaster area run by insane jihadist groups. It doesn't matter though because everyone got to feel good for 3 days about "taking out a dictator" like the world was a comic book.

looking at my tv now there was a terror attack in Sweden. Who would everyone guess was responsible?: a person loyal to Bashaer Assad or ISIS? the answer to that is the answer to the question of which entity is a bigger threat to us and the west in general and who we should be stategizing against

Syrian army
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8xpYy3WAAEfpCJ.jpg)

ISIS
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/21/25BC0D8D00000578-2963229-image-m-20_1424552055857.jpg)


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 07, 2017, 10:30:54 AM
Lester-yer heart is in the right place. But if you think for one minute that Assad is a good guy-no. Assad and Isis are both evil There is no good vs bad here-its bad vs bad. And Russia is in the middle.
Also-Assad denies it. HAHA HA! And you believe him? REALLY? HAHAHA! Hitler also said that Poland attacked first on the border. That started WWII. Do yer homework.
Should we bomb Syria? Yes-we should take the whole f**king country off the map.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 07, 2017, 10:49:57 AM
RC- What is an example of something Trump might have done with "the Russians" that would be illegal or even bad? lets say theres a secret tape of Putin and Trump talking. what is the sinister thing that Trump is gonna say. give them our national parks? airlift gold to them or something? Where is the "there" there is all I'm asking

I agree with you about the chaos and I like it too. We needed it. Even Allhallowsday at one point conceded that while he certainly doesn't like trump, he sees that it's DISRUPTIVE.




Trump and his cronies have bank accounts in Russia-tax evasion? Thats why he wont release his returns? He's a gangster maybe?


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 07, 2017, 10:59:47 AM
"Should we bomb Syria? Yes-we should take the whole f**king country off the map."

yeah exactly because killing 100 people with sarin gas is horrible but killing millions with bombs is good

you know there were no WMD right? and no babies thrown from incubators or gulf of tonkin incident I just want to be sure you get the comparison


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 07, 2017, 02:07:40 PM
Yeah I know-but like our fearless l don't really give a f**k. I mean-It doesnt affect me here in Lawton Michigan-so I don't really care if people die in places I'll never see. f**k em-right? f**k em all,,right? :bluesad:


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 07, 2017, 02:15:01 PM
I just listened to a BBC report of the bombing in Syria. Children were killed. By us. f**k,man.This aint about politics. This is awful. Trump is a tool. By who? I don't know. But it just got evil. Welcome to WW3.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 07, 2017, 06:05:19 PM
RC-

"so I don't really care if people die in places I'll never see. f**k em-right? f**k em all,,right"

oh my days. I'll pretend I didn't hear that. (you were being sarcastic right?)

and yes tomahawk missiles tend to do some damage. you can only be so careful

heres what I want to say:

ISIS just drove cars into people in Sweden today, the other day it was westminster I don't need to "prove" that ISIS is a terror group and they are attacking and terrorizing the world do I? I mean, I can it would be fairly easy but we all accept that.

ISIS name stands for Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. Thats where they are it's a STATE. A lot of the people they catch in like wherever Texas, Germany have gone through there at some point. Assad LIVES right next to them and they are trying to take over his country.  This is sex slave, throw gays from buildings, execution video ISIS. I mean just think about that for a second. compare the two. these are not people we want to HELP in any way.

In 2003 our government shifted us away from the fight against Al Queda by invading Iraq. It's happening again with stuff like this. Assad didn't drive a car into people in Sweden. Assad isn't burning down 1500 year old churches and turning random muslims in LAwton Michigan into psychos with his rhetoric. lets correct the mistakes of 2003 and keep our eye on the ball thats what I want to say


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: indianasmith on April 07, 2017, 06:54:00 PM
This is just deeply troubling.  Before ISIS rose up, Assad was a bad actor, a leading state sponsor of terrorism, and an all-around thug.
ISIS makes him look like the lesser of two evils, and I agree that crushing ISIS must be our priority.
But, at the same time - the use of chemical weapons on the battlefield has been banned for a century.  Letting a head of state use them with impunity is a very dangerous precedent.  Only two have done so in the century since the Great War ended; Saddam Hussein and Bashir Assad.  Saddam hung for it.  I'm reluctant to let Assad go unpunished for crossing a line that even Hitler avoided, and the military seems dead certain that he did it this time. 
It seems to be that there really are very few good guys in Syria, and the ones that were there have either been murdered or have fled for their lives.
Perhaps the best thing for the world and for the West in general would be a long war of attrition that destroyed ISIS or shattered it beyond recovery, and left Assad too weakened to cause mischief for a while.  Who knows?  And who knows if this is not some sort of long game designed to send a warning to Putin, or China, or North Korea? :question:

Or maybe Melania wouldn't put out and Trump just wanted to bomb someone.  :teddyr:

Either way, done is done.  Now we see what comes next.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 08, 2017, 10:08:17 AM
RC- if he's evading taxes, the evidence for it certainly wouldn't be on his tax return.  The IRS wouldn't say "oh and by the way you are a gangster and have this off shore scam thing" they would just arrest him.

and they did release one of his tax returns they had it on Rachel Maddow show.






Title: Re: Our President
Post by: kakihara on April 08, 2017, 10:46:36 AM
- again, can anybody explain to me how russia meddled in the election? 

- what about his taxes? Who cares. Its a non-issue. He is rich and gets tax breaks that we dont.  It appears that he paid more taxes than he was required , more than obama, more than clinton, more than bernie. The "bomb-shell" tax reveal on rachel maddow was an epic fail. Nothing.

Syria - that was a warning shot and show of power. As the strikes were ordered, he was in a meeting with chinas president.  The airbase was given notice before the strike, maybe as few as 7 people died. I think trump was dealt a bad hand with this one but he made the right decision. I am worried that we could be pulled onto another neverending conflict. If trump did nothing what would be said about him?  What if syria crosses the " red-line" for the umpteenth time?

- btw- all of the usual war mongers have come out and supported this strike, mccain, pelosi, schumer, clinton etc. By next week they will be condeming the strike.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: El Misfit on April 08, 2017, 02:51:12 PM
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Title: Re: Our President
Post by: kakihara on April 08, 2017, 03:25:36 PM
ha ha ha, misfit! I just realized there has been very little humor in this thread. There is truth in that dave chappelle meme though,


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: El Misfit on April 08, 2017, 04:07:11 PM
Injecting humor is what I need to do then.
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Title: Re: Our President
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 08, 2017, 07:21:15 PM
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maybe as few as 7 people died.

oh only 7 human beings thats okay then  :lookingup:



Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 08, 2017, 09:20:06 PM
I apoligize for my crazy mouth. I've turned into a far left Trump. I'm talkiing more s**t than the people I cut down. Well-maybe not more. Still-I scream at other peoples beliefs and call them idiots. I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 08, 2017, 09:22:13 PM
RC- if he's evading taxes, the evidence for it certainly wouldn't be on his tax return.  The IRS wouldn't say "oh and by the way you are a gangster and have this off shore scam thing" they would just arrest him.

and they did release one of his tax returns they had it on Rachel Maddow show. Trump has dealt with Russian banks since the 80's.Do your homework.






Oh yeah-Trump is gonna advertise his true holdings in Russia-on Racheal Medows. Think for your self. Don't let pundits do it.

yeah-a ten year old tax return.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: lester1/2jr on April 08, 2017, 10:21:22 PM
my point is a tax return is a document the GOVERNMENT sends you. if he's a criminal his tax return wouldn't reveal it because that would mean they KNOW about it!

Like if I went and had some pictures of a murder developed the place who developed them wouldn't say "hey nice murder there" they would call the police and I would have given them the evidence so I'd be pretty stupid.

Trump would not list "$1,000,000 for russian hookers" on his income taxes


and I didn't say "Trump has dealt with russian banks since the 80's do your homework" why is that in my quoted quote? I don't condescend to people like that


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: Ash on April 08, 2017, 11:21:43 PM

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Title: Re: Our President
Post by: kakihara on April 09, 2017, 07:52:11 AM

"Trump would not list "$1,000,000 for russian hookers" on his income taxes".


your right, you can only claim russian hookers up to about $8000, as opposed to asian hookers, who cap off at about $5000. The limit may be increased next year due to import taxes.  My tax guy recommends  supplementing with cocaine, thats good for another $12,000. Unfortunatley, due to recent changes in tax law, you can no longer claim the "pee'ed on credit" and the "head of household credit" together.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: El Misfit on April 09, 2017, 07:01:13 PM
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Title: Re: Our President
Post by: Trevor on April 10, 2017, 03:50:17 AM
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 :bouncegiggle: :teddyr:

That's me around performance review time.  :wink:


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: AlbertMond on April 15, 2017, 12:13:02 AM
my point is a tax return is a document the GOVERNMENT sends you. if he's a criminal his tax return wouldn't reveal it because that would mean they KNOW about it!

Part of the problem of the system, most glaringly demonstrated in 2016, is that we rely too much on criminals to police themselves.


Title: Re: Our President
Post by: RCMerchant on April 15, 2017, 02:44:33 AM
Ya know what. I'm the idiot who brought this subject up-I ain't gonna talk about it no mo'. We got thru WW2 and Nixon-this too will pass.