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Title: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: indianasmith on November 18, 2017, 04:00:14 PM
Since it got brought up on FB this week, I thought I'd write about it in my blog:  Did Jesus exist?




https://lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com/2017/11/was-jesus-of-nazareth-real-person.html




Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 18, 2017, 08:56:51 PM
He was a historical person, but he was also a Robin Hood type anti establishment codeword/ legend of sorts or functioned that way.

If you read Revelation, Christianity was anti Roman and anti Jewish or at least anti Pharisees in nature and Jesus was the centerpiece of all that. It had a political as well as a spiritual side.


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 18, 2017, 09:27:11 PM
He was a historical person, but he was also a Robin Hood type anti establishment codeword/ legend of sorts or functioned that way.

If you read Revelation, Christianity was anti Roman and anti Jewish or at least anti Pharisees in nature and Jesus was the centerpiece of all that. It had a political as well as a spiritual side.


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(I really have no opinion on the issue but I enjoy poking Indy).


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 18, 2017, 09:29:47 PM
you need to go to the churches!


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: ER on November 18, 2017, 11:07:24 PM
That was beautifully composed, Indy. Well reasoned and well-written.


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: indianasmith on November 18, 2017, 11:20:49 PM
Rev, for some reason I can no longer see video links in this forum, so I have no idea what you posted.


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: AlbertMond on November 19, 2017, 12:46:55 AM
Prolly.


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 19, 2017, 10:33:17 AM
Rev, for some reason I can no longer see video links in this forum, so I have no idea what you posted.

Me either, but you can always click on the link. It's a fairly silly song.


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 19, 2017, 07:51:32 PM
People who don't believe Jesus existed are called mythicists. There are two main ones: one of them is robert price whose "bible geek" podcast is awesome (he also  has a Lovecraft one I've never heard). The other is this guy Richard Carrier who is so annoying it's practically incredible. I have no real skin in the game in the debate, but he is so full of himself and has a gross polyamory thing going... its makes it easy to just write the whole thing off.


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: 316zombie on November 19, 2017, 09:48:19 PM
is your issue polyamory itself, or is it HIM practicing it that bugs you, lester?


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 19, 2017, 11:21:25 PM
No, he is just gross and awful and arrogant . People can do what they want


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: stine.greta on November 20, 2017, 12:38:29 AM
I do believe in him, maybe because I am Catholic and I have known him since I was young. I do respect the atheist but then again we have different beliefs and it is only a matter of acceptance.


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: indianasmith on November 20, 2017, 10:20:55 PM
There is a huge line between "I believe Jesus was a historically significant figure but not the Son of God," and "Jesus of Nazareth never existed."
His deity is a matter of theology, but his existence is a matter of history, which is what I tried to explain.

But thanks to all who took the time to read my scribblings!   :cheers:


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 21, 2017, 11:49:58 AM
Theres not much of a record of anyone from back then. Pontius Pilate appears on some sort of leger and relatively recently they found a coin from that era. other than that there is techniically no "record" of him. Jesus in his life was a very margenalized figure I mean thats kind of the point


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: indianasmith on November 21, 2017, 01:51:24 PM
Jesus is better represented in history than the ten year governor of Judea, that's true.


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: RCMerchant on November 22, 2017, 12:43:14 AM
Rev, for some reason I can no longer see video links in this forum, so I have no idea what you posted.

I can't either!  :buggedout:


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 22, 2017, 08:40:15 AM
Rev, for some reason I can no longer see video links in this forum, so I have no idea what you posted.

I can't either!  :buggedout:

Me either, I think it finally broke.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: RCMerchant on November 22, 2017, 01:15:31 PM
Rev, for some reason I can no longer see video links in this forum, so I have no idea what you posted.

I can't either!  :buggedout:

Me either, I think it finally broke.  :bluesad:

Well sum b***h.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Pacman000 on November 22, 2017, 11:23:51 PM
I think you need the latest version of Flash for the videos to work l.


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: RCMerchant on November 23, 2017, 12:42:51 AM
I think you need the latest version of Flash for the videos to work l.

And pray tell-how do I get that?  :question:


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Alex on November 23, 2017, 01:29:40 AM
Following link should do it. https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ Just remember to untick the boxes in the middle column if you don't wan't McAfee installed as well.


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: RCMerchant on November 23, 2017, 06:52:22 AM
Following link should do it. https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ Just remember to untick the boxes in the middle column if you don't wan't McAfee installed as well.

I'll give it a try-thanx! :thumbup:


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 23, 2017, 08:43:21 AM
Following link should do it. https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ Just remember to untick the boxes in the middle column if you don't wan't McAfee installed as well.

I'll give it a try-thanx! :thumbup:

Worked for me. I never even thought of it because Flash usually (or at least used to) prompt me to update it when it was out-of-date.


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Trevor on November 23, 2017, 08:49:07 AM
This has me wondering if Adobe and MacAfee were or are ever real  :wink:


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: RCMerchant on November 23, 2017, 09:17:02 AM
Following link should do it. https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ Just remember to untick the boxes in the middle column if you don't wan't McAfee installed as well.

I'll give it a try-thanx! :thumbup:

Worked for me. I never even thought of it because Flash usually (or at least used to) prompt me to update it when it was out-of-date.

Worked for me too! Thanks, Alex!  :cheers:


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Alex on November 23, 2017, 12:32:00 PM
Glad I could be of some asisstance and hopefully its solved your issues.

This has to be the biggest change of topic I have ever seen on a thread, from was Jesus real to computer troubleshooting.


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: RCMerchant on November 23, 2017, 05:34:01 PM
Glad I could be of some asisstance and hopefully its solved your issues.

This has to be the biggest change of topic I have ever seen on a thread, from was Jesus real to computer troubleshooting.
Yer the man with the plan! I think Jesus was real and a great guy-!
But I'm more impressed with Alex. He gave me my youtube back!  :cheers:


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: indianasmith on November 23, 2017, 09:16:55 PM
I'm not sure Dark Alex is real.  I tried his fix and STILL can't see the video links.
Come to think of it, Ronnie - are YOU real??  :question:


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Alex on November 24, 2017, 01:18:02 AM
Hmm, what browser do you use and does that maybe need an update? After that I'd look at my graphics card driver etc. A thought occured to me while at was at work, possibly a Java update?

And no I am not real. I am a dream to some... a nightmare to others! (I'd offer karma for identifying that quote, but I think that one is too easy).


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: RCMerchant on November 24, 2017, 06:07:29 AM
I'm not sure Dark Alex is real.  I tried his fix and STILL can't see the video links.
Come to think of it, Ronnie - are YOU real??  :question:
I am real-real ugly!


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Pacman000 on November 24, 2017, 08:08:37 AM
I'm not sure Dark Alex is real.  I tried his fix and STILL can't see the video links.
Come to think of it, Ronnie - are YOU real??  :question:
Some newer browsers block Flash by default: https://petapixel.com/2016/08/17/major-browsers-will-soon-block-flash-website-ready/

What browser are you using? Do you get a warning message?


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: bob on November 24, 2017, 10:00:16 AM
I'm not sure Dark Alex is real.  I tried his fix and STILL can't see the video links.
Come to think of it, Ronnie - are YOU real??  :question:
Some newer browsers block Flash by default: https://petapixel.com/2016/08/17/major-browsers-will-soon-block-flash-website-ready/

What browser are you using? Do you get a warning message?

Alex is right, I use Microsoft Edge and it is a fight to get Flash to get to work. I need to get lucky and have it work on specific websites.


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: indianasmith on November 24, 2017, 12:14:43 PM
I'm on Windows 7 with IE as my browser.  I used to be able to see all the YouTube links on here; they just disappeared in the last month or so.


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Alex on November 24, 2017, 12:54:11 PM
IE could be the problem. I am not sure it is still being updated by Microsoft. I looked on Edge and couldn't see the videos there either, but everything seems fine on Firefox. If you want to try that one you can get it here... https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/new/ (https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/new/)


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Rev. Powell on November 24, 2017, 01:08:15 PM
IE could be the problem. I am not sure it is still being updated by Microsoft. I looked on Edge and couldn't see the videos there either, but everything seems fine on Firefox. If you want to try that one you can get it here... https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/new/ (https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/new/)


Agreed, if it bothers you try Edge, Firefox or Chrome. IE is dead, sorry (and unlike Jesus, no one believes it's coming back---to get things back on topic!)


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 24, 2017, 04:29:46 PM
I'm not sure Dark Alex is real.  I tried his fix and STILL can't see the video links.
Come to think of it, Ronnie - are YOU real??  :question:
I am real-real ugly!
:bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 24, 2017, 07:31:08 PM
Since it got brought up on FB this week, I thought I'd write about it in my blog:  Did Jesus exist?

https://lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com/2017/11/was-jesus-of-nazareth-real-person.html

I am amazed at the stupidity or willful ignorance that people often possess. 
Lewis, you did a fantastic job.   :thumbup:


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: RCMerchant on November 25, 2017, 04:16:58 PM
IE could be the problem. I am not sure it is still being updated by Microsoft. I looked on Edge and couldn't see the videos there either, but everything seems fine on Firefox. If you want to try that one you can get it here... https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/new/ (https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/new/)


Mine quit working shortly after I upgraded my flash. Now I downloaded Foxfire-and it works again.


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Alex on November 25, 2017, 05:23:22 PM
Ok, so anyone else still having problems after trying switching browsers?


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: lester1/2jr on November 25, 2017, 06:32:44 PM
this is like the part of the bible when the donkey won't go into the city and God gives it the power of speech "stop hitting me"


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: indianasmith on November 25, 2017, 07:15:35 PM
Donkeys exist, too!
and they still talk - just listen to any political press conference!


Title: Re: Was Jesus Ever Real?
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 25, 2017, 11:06:36 PM
http://youtu.be/hYlvfX3nwlc (http://youtu.be/hYlvfX3nwlc)