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Title: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: AoTFan on February 07, 2018, 12:38:34 AM
So, the Canadian national anthem is getting a change.  The line about "sons" is being taken out and replaced with something more gender neutral.

Curious, is there anyone from up north that has any thoughts about this?  Being American, I can't really say one way or another what I think about it... I think I've only even heard the Canadian anthem once or twice in my lifetime.  Admittedly, at first, I was ready to jump on this as PC nuttiness, buuuuut... someone else has pointed out that supposedly the original 1908 lyrics of the song did NOT have the line about sons, so I dunno.  

Breitbart article on it, which definitely has some opinion thrown in
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/02/canada-changing-national-anthem-remove-male-pronouns-make-lyrics-gender-neutral/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/02/canada-changing-national-anthem-remove-male-pronouns-make-lyrics-gender-neutral/)

Bit of history about the anthem
https://globalnews.ca/news/4002268/oh-canada-originally-gender-neutral/ (https://globalnews.ca/news/4002268/oh-canada-originally-gender-neutral/)


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: ER on February 07, 2018, 12:29:35 PM
Well that's gonna go over even less than bikini waxing does up there. (In college in the Northeast, we had a lot of Canadians at my school, and you'd catch a few in the locker room coming out of the showers or changing or whatever and it got to be a standing joke, "Ohhh, that's why the beaver is their national emblem....") Anyway, their country, their choice, whatever, great nation all the same and I do love their flag. They're also incredibly polite, Canadians usually are, and I imagine in changing this they're trying not to offend. Shrug.



Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: Fox Sake on February 11, 2018, 03:52:09 PM
it will be interesting if this concept is encouraged across other countries and their anachronistic anthems that perhaps holds little relevance in today's virtue signalling society. Our very own UK national anthem might find itself under such amicroscope, although I dobut the Establishment will bend much.


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on February 11, 2018, 05:30:16 PM
Do I have any opinions about Canada changing its National Anthem? No.

Nor do I have any opinion about any other country changing their national anthem. Though, I do think it is interesting when countries talk about changing their national anthem, and what they want to change it to.

United States
I know in the past, that there has been some talk of changing the American national anthem The Star Spangled Banner, because it is supposedly difficult to sing to something more sing able. The last time I heard of it being changed, the two lead candidates for the national anthem were God Bless America and America the Beautiful. Of course, to date, we are still singing The Star Spangled Banner as the American anthem.

Australia
The national anthem being Advance Australia Fair. A change from the old anthem which was God Save the Queen. Though, what I think was interesting is that one of the candidates for a new national anthem was Waltzing Matilda, which has always been one of my favorite songs ever since we studied Australia back in the '60's when I was in the 6th grade.


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: AoTFan on February 11, 2018, 07:31:30 PM
Australia
The national anthem being Advance Australia Fair. A change from the old anthem which was God Save the Queen. Though, what I think was interesting is that one of the candidates for a new national anthem was Waltzing Matilda, which has always been one of my favorite songs ever since we studied Australia back in the '60's when I was in the 6th grade.

Really?  I heard they were thinking about changing it to "99 Bottles of Beer On the Wall".


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on February 11, 2018, 08:19:28 PM
Canada should change it's anthem to "We're not am-er-ica, tha-ank yo-ou God for that!"


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: ER on February 11, 2018, 08:25:12 PM
I have a close friend in Austin whose parents are Jewish, though he says he isn't, whatever, his business to define who he is, but he said to me once, "I admire one thing and one thing only about Nazi Germany."

I said, "What, Hugh, their tasteful fashion sense?"

He said, "No, they were not self-loathing like Americans."


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: RCMerchant on February 11, 2018, 08:56:34 PM
I have a close friend in Austin whose parents are Jewish, though he says he isn't, whatever, his business to define who he is, but he said to me once, "I admire one thing and one thing only about Nazi Germany."

I said, "What, Hugh, their tasteful fashion sense?"

He said, "No, they were not self-loathing like Americans."

Actually-I don't think that's true. After WWI, It seems,to me-because I'm weird- that the Germans felt somehow inferior- which is why they overcompensated with the Nazi stuff.  I think there was much self loathing.

 I bet Himmler couldn't look at himself naked in the mirror.

 I know I couldn't look at him naked in the mirror!


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: AoTFan on February 11, 2018, 11:44:18 PM
Canada should change it's anthem to "We're not am-er-ica, tha-ank yo-ou God for that!"

You know, if you don't wish to root for the home team, you can always leave the stadium.


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: dean on February 12, 2018, 12:20:45 AM
Australia
The national anthem being Advance Australia Fair. A change from the old anthem which was God Save the Queen. Though, what I think was interesting is that one of the candidates for a new national anthem was Waltzing Matilda, which has always been one of my favorite songs ever since we studied Australia back in the '60's when I was in the 6th grade.


Really?  I heard they were thinking about changing it to "99 Bottles of Beer On the Wall".


I think you'll find that this is probably a higher candidate:

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfR9iY5y94s#)


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: Trevor on February 12, 2018, 03:53:06 AM
The South African National anthem was changed in 1994 to one better reflecting the new democracy. It's nice but I still think the song Shozaloza is way better.  :teddyr:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shosholoza#Rugby_World_Cup_1995 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shosholoza#Rugby_World_Cup_1995)

Major goosebumps whenever I hear it: it was also used in Invictus  :tongueout: and in The Gods Must Be Crazy and Dingaka.


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on February 13, 2018, 12:39:45 AM
Canada should change it's anthem to "We're not am-er-ica, tha-ank yo-ou God for that!"

You know, if you don't wish to root for the home team, you can always leave the stadium.

I might emigrate to canada if i had the resources to. Or some western European nation. Of a Scandinavian region nation. Or even France.


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: RCMerchant on February 13, 2018, 06:24:00 AM
If I was to move to another country- I'd move to either South America (because-unlike Michigan-it's warm! 0r Japan (because folks are short like me).


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: ER on February 13, 2018, 06:49:28 AM
Canada should change it's anthem to "We're not am-er-ica, tha-ank yo-ou God for that!"

You know, if you don't wish to root for the home team, you can always leave the stadium.

I might emigrate to canada if i had the resources to. Or some western European nation. Of a Scandinavian region nation. Or even France.
I hear Go Fund Me is making all kinds of dreams come true these days...


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: Trevor on February 13, 2018, 08:21:59 AM
If I was to move to another country- I'd move to either South America (because-unlike Michigan-it's warm! 0r Japan (because folks are short like me).

Come to South Africa: folks are friendly, weather is warm (not in winter, though) and everyone's either short or tall.  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: Fox Sake on February 13, 2018, 08:29:08 AM
If I was to move to another country- I'd move to either South America (because-unlike Michigan-it's warm! 0r Japan (because folks are short like me).

Come to South Africa: folks are friendly, weather is warm (not in winter, though) and everyone's either short or tall.  :teddyr:

...but don't visit via boat, as there are over 2200 shipwrecks off the SA coast; but there's gold in them there hills..lots and lots of it!


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: ER on February 13, 2018, 09:26:31 AM
If I was to move to another country- I'd move to either South America (because-unlike Michigan-it's warm! 0r Japan (because folks are short like me).

Come to South Africa: folks are friendly, weather is warm (not in winter, though) and everyone's either short or tall.  :teddyr:

...but don't visit via boat, as there are over 2200 shipwrecks off the SA coast; but there's gold in them there hills..lots and lots of it!

Over the past few years I've come to love South Africa, and fall asleep many nights watching Safari Live be broadcast from Djuma, near Kruger National Park. Absolutely beautiful place, and the people seem so happy and friendly.

Even the South African accents are barely something I notice now, when they stood out so much when I first started watching. Funny how that happens.


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: Fox Sake on February 13, 2018, 10:36:36 AM
If I was to move to another country- I'd move to either South America (because-unlike Michigan-it's warm! 0r Japan (because folks are short like me).

Come to South Africa: folks are friendly, weather is warm (not in winter, though) and everyone's either short or tall.  :teddyr:

...but don't visit via boat, as there are over 2200 shipwrecks off the SA coast; but there's gold in them there hills..lots and lots of it!

Over the past few years I've come to love South Africa, and fall asleep many nights watching Safari Live be broadcast from Djuma, near Kruger National Park. Absolutely beautiful place, and the people seem so happy and friendly.

Even the South African accents are barely something I notice now, when they stood out so much when I first started watching. Funny how that happens.
I still have a bit of a SA accent, despite living in England for these past 14 years. Always nice to drip a bit of Afrikaans into a conversation, just to confuse people.

But yes, despite all the political turmoil and what not, SA really is a beautiful country


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: Raffine on February 13, 2018, 10:57:39 AM
If I was to move to another country- I'd move to either South America (because-unlike Michigan-it's warm! 0r Japan (because folks are short like me).

Come to South Africa: folks are friendly, weather is warm (not in winter, though) and everyone's either short or tall.  :teddyr:

...but don't visit via boat, as there are over 2200 shipwrecks off the SA coast; but there's gold in them there hills..lots and lots of it!

Over the past few years I've come to love South Africa, and fall asleep many nights watching Safari Live be broadcast from Djuma, near Kruger National Park. Absolutely beautiful place, and the people seem so happy and friendly.

Even the South African accents are barely something I notice now, when they stood out so much when I first started watching. Funny how that happens.
I still have a bit of a SA accent, despite living in England for these past 14 years. Always nice to drip a bit of Afrikaans into a conversation, just to confuse people.

But yes, despite all the political turmoil and what not, SA really is a beautiful country


Don't drink the water!


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: RCMerchant on February 13, 2018, 01:27:49 PM
If I was to move to another country- I'd move to either South America (because-unlike Michigan-it's warm! 0r Japan (because folks are short like me).

Come to South Africa: folks are friendly, weather is warm (not in winter, though) and everyone's either short or tall.  :teddyr:

In reality- I can't go nowhere-unless they mail a SSI check to a someplace beyond the 50- I'm here.


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on February 13, 2018, 03:53:38 PM
Well  I ruled out australia as I don't want to move to a country where every form of native life was evolved to kill humans. Plus that whole royal family thing they still follow...

Germany might be OK as they understand fascism can happen and work to avoid it happening again.

Scandanivian country...Nice, kinda chilly but very chill on a lot of social matters.

France. Ok might take a while to get used to the smell,  :wink: but I respect them for taking a stand against radical islam and having "Liberty, equality, fraternity" as a national motto.

If I did move to another country it would have to be a real democracy without an anachronism like a 'electoral college" that lets people who get the least votes take office and one that limits corporate funding of campaigns.


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: ER on February 13, 2018, 04:03:50 PM
Well  I ruled out australia as I don't want to move to a country where every form of native life was evolved to kill humans. Plus that whole royal family thing they still follow...

Germany might be OK as they understand fascism can happen and work to avoid it happening again.

Scandanivian country...Nice, kinda chilly but very chill on a lot of social matters.

France. Ok might take a while to get used to the smell,  :wink: but I respect them for taking a stand against radical islam and having "Liberty, equality, fraternity" as a national motto.

If I did move to another country it would have to be a real democracy without an anachronism like a 'electoral college" that lets people who get the least votes take office and one that limits corporate funding of campaigns.

Germany! Yes, good idea. I am all in favor of you leaving the United States and becoming German. Perfect. In fact, if the Germans will take you, I'll pay your way.


Title: Re: Canada to Change National Anthem.
Post by: Fox Sake on February 13, 2018, 04:10:49 PM
Well I could chip in and say "come join us in the UK", however we're going through a major political, social and economical crisis after Brexit ,and everyone here hasn't got any idea what will happen when we leave the EU.

So yeah, Germany or Austria look like safe bets.