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Title: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 21, 2018, 12:42:17 PM
No topic yet? I'll start.

Movie is good.


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: Ted C on February 21, 2018, 04:52:58 PM
I think it is excellent.


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: Alex on February 21, 2018, 04:55:24 PM
I love these concise reviews. :)


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: Ted C on February 21, 2018, 05:03:18 PM
It somehow manages to be both highly predictable and highly entertaining at the same time.


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: javakoala on February 21, 2018, 05:54:27 PM
I'll wait for it to hit Netflix. Can't bring myself to spend money on more of the same MCU stuff.


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: Archivist on February 22, 2018, 09:49:54 PM
It somehow manages to be both highly predictable and highly entertaining at the same time.

Hopefully not in a James Cameron Titanic/Avatar kind of way.  :wink:


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: Trevor on February 23, 2018, 08:27:06 AM
I saw the trailer for it and was appalled by the so-called African accents: no one in Africa speaks English like that. Typical BS.


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on February 27, 2018, 01:13:10 PM
I saw the trailer for it and was appalled by the so-called African accents: no one in Africa speaks English like that. Typical BS.

Trevor, there are very few actors, black or white, who can do an acceptable English accent.

Poor Dick Van Dyke. When they asked a number of British actors, who had the worst English accent they ever heard, the majority picked Dick Van Dyke as Bert in Mary Poppins. And believe me, Americans doing an English accent have not improved since then. Though Van Dyke gets a 2nd shot at doing a proper English accent as he stars in this year's Mary Poppins Returns, not as Dawes, sr., which he played in the original film, but as Dawes, jr.

Black Panther, questions ere I see it.

Why is it considered a milestone in black filmmaking, as some see it?
From yesterday's silent films to today's Tyler Perry, there has been a market for black films and both black and white filmmakers who catered to black audiences who wanted to see them. Of all those, why is this considered a milestone in black filmmaking?

If I delved deeper, I'd probably find the answer. Though, it does seem to be one of those black films that transcends race. Which may be why it is doing so well outside of the U.S. Which brings up the next question.

Why is it doing so well overseas? Where the overseas box office is actually larger than the American box office. $427 million to $242 million or 63.8% to 36.2%

What might have been? Most of the opposition to the film, that I have seen to date, is from other blacks. Will Smith not being one of them, as he sent out over social media, congratulatory messages to several of the people involved in it. Yet if things had been different, he might have been the one receiving the congratulations. As several years ago, he wanted to do a film version of Black Panther, but ran into problems with the script, the director, and especially the CGI needed to tell the story.

Is it a success with critics? Yes, if one looks at the critical reviews on rottentomatoes.com. Where, the last time I looked, it had a rating of 96% fresh, which is an extremely high critical ranking for a film.

Are any more films similar to this coming? Likely, yes. The President of Marvel Studios said the Studios would be making more films similar to this, and even before the success of this film, there were plans to make a stand-alone Black Adam film from Shazam with mixed race actor Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, and a stand-alone Cyborg film from Justice League with Afro-American actor Ray Fisher. Which films are more likely to be made now with the success of Black Panther.

Why should one see it? A number of reasons, if none other than the last scene after the credits, apparently is the set-up for the upcoming Avengers : Infinity War.

Hopeful to see it this weekend. Now that I have recovered from the flu.


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: dean on February 28, 2018, 07:14:45 AM
I saw the trailer for it and was appalled by the so-called African accents: no one in Africa speaks English like that. Typical BS.



Why is it considered a milestone in black filmmaking, as some see it?
From yesterday's silent films to today's Tyler Perry, there has been a market for black films and both black and white filmmakers who catered to black audiences who wanted to see them. Of all those, why is this considered a milestone in black filmmaking?

If I delved deeper, I'd probably find the answer. Though, it does seem to be one of those black films that transcends race. Which may be why it is doing so well outside of the U.S.


Saw this the other day (I think it's the video, it's geoblocked where I am) but was an interesting take.

http://www.cc.com/video-playlists/qkhul9/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-between-the-scenes/2iqhvg (http://www.cc.com/video-playlists/qkhul9/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-between-the-scenes/2iqhvg)


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: Alex on February 28, 2018, 07:25:03 AM
Dick Van Dyke was allegedly offered the role of James Bond at one point. He kept turning it down, but the producers were insistant until he said to them "Have you heard my english accent in Mary Poppins?"

The subject was never raised again.


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: Trevor on February 28, 2018, 07:32:52 AM
I saw the trailer for it and was appalled by the so-called African accents: no one in Africa speaks English like that. Typical BS.

Trevor, there are very few actors, black or white, who can do an acceptable English accent.

What I meant by that is the way the African American actors speak English "as she is spoken in Africa": it sounds very put on and very forced. Oh well, Marvel won't miss my $$.


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: The Burgomaster on March 01, 2018, 07:19:14 PM
I saw it today. I'm a big Marvel comics fan (especially 1960s - 1980s). I'm also a big fan of their movies. But this one just didn't do it for me. The story sort of dragged and wasn't particularly interesting. I thought Klaue was a better nemesis than Kilmonger. The CGI was way overdone and looked very cartoonish at times. I don't hate it . . . it's an okay movie. But it doesn't measure up to most of the others in the MCU. I'd give it about 2.5 stars out of 4.


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: The Burgomaster on March 01, 2018, 07:22:55 PM
I saw the trailer for it and was appalled by the so-called African accents: no one in Africa speaks English like that. Typical BS.

Sort of like growing up in Massachusetts and hearing most actors make dreadful attempts at the accent. The Wahlbergs, Afflecks and Matt Damon know how to do it . . . but that's because they come from here. Most others sound like they're really forcing it.



Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: Archivist on March 02, 2018, 12:03:13 AM
I saw the trailer for it and was appalled by the so-called African accents: no one in Africa speaks English like that. Typical BS.

Trevor, there are very few actors, black or white, who can do an acceptable English accent.

What I meant by that is the way the African American actors speak English "as she is spoken in Africa": it sounds very put on and very forced. Oh well, Marvel won't miss my $$.

Interesting you'd say that.  I haven't heard enough original African accents to know the difference, but Chadwick Boseman supposedly put a lot of study into the regional accents of where Wakanda is supposed to be.  He wanted to make it as authentic as he could.


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: Trevor on March 02, 2018, 05:22:49 AM
I saw the trailer for it and was appalled by the so-called African accents: no one in Africa speaks English like that. Typical BS.

Trevor, there are very few actors, black or white, who can do an acceptable English accent.

What I meant by that is the way the African American actors speak English "as she is spoken in Africa": it sounds very put on and very forced. Oh well, Marvel won't miss my $$.

Interesting you'd say that.  I haven't heard enough original African accents to know the difference, but Chadwick Boseman supposedly put a lot of study into the regional accents of where Wakanda is supposed to be.  He wanted to make it as authentic as he could.

We have a sports commentator in SA who is so hopeless at the English language that he pronounces the word "bat" - as in cricket - as "bed".  :buggedout:


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: ER on March 02, 2018, 10:14:11 AM
I saw the trailer for it and was appalled by the so-called African accents: no one in Africa speaks English like that. Typical BS.

Trevor, there are very few actors, black or white, who can do an acceptable English accent.

What I meant by that is the way the African American actors speak English "as she is spoken in Africa": it sounds very put on and very forced. Oh well, Marvel won't miss my $$.

Interesting you'd say that.  I haven't heard enough original African accents to know the difference, but Chadwick Boseman supposedly put a lot of study into the regional accents of where Wakanda is supposed to be.  He wanted to make it as authentic as he could.

We have a sports commentator in SA who is so hopeless at the English language that he pronounces the word "bat" - as in cricket - as "bed".  :buggedout:

After watching Safari Live for two years I barely notice South African accents anymore, but this Australian came on there and her accent jolted me. Likewise they had an American guide for a few months recently and even her accent sounded wrong. Funny how you get used to things. I do get a tickle at how "yes is said "yis". It's charming.


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: BoyScoutKevin on March 12, 2018, 04:41:29 PM
While there are a number of films I like as well or better, there are few films I have found as interesting. Which is why I came up with Truths (T?) 'n' Questions (Q?)

T? Maybe because for me it is like a looking at a negative of a black 'n' white photo, where everything is reversed.

Q? It seems to me that I have seen something similar, but with most of the actors being white, instead of black, but what was the title?

T? Sometimes he is right. Sometimes he is wrong. This time I was wrong, as the box office proves me wrong. Since I had my doubts as to whether whites would accept a film with a black superhero as star.

Q? A culmination of a century of black filmmaking?

T? It is obviously a black film, but it is also can be considered a feminist film with several strong female characters.

Q? The director was black. Most of the cast was black. Even many of the crew were black, but were the screenwriters black?

T? See 2 films and call me in the morning. Seeing a film is normally good for my mental health, which is good for my physical health.

Q? Wakanda is a fictional country, but if it were a real African country, and knowing what Trump has said previously about some African countries, what would he say about Wakanda?

T? I love those Easter eggs, even though they always put me on the floor.

Q?: Looking at the violence in the trailer for Mission : Impossible : Fallout, then looking at the violence in this film, will we ever get a film that realistically depicts real life violence?

T? Seeing the set-up for Avengers : Infinity War after the credits. it was not the set-up I was expecting.

Q? The token white man in the film, any comparison to the token black man in films with mostly white actors?

T? The separation of the heroes from the villain. Children. Heroes: Do not harm the boy. He is only a child. Villain: We will kill them. We will kill their children.

Q?  Have we become more sensitive about native artifacts. Should we take them? Would we keep them? Could we return them?

T? With a domestic box office to date of $500 million and an additional $421 million from the non-domestic box office. They won't miss Trevor not seeing it.

Q? Thus, with a box office like that, there be a sequel. The question is where will the sequel head?





Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: Olivia Bauer on March 16, 2018, 12:47:03 PM
I didn't like it. It was astonishingly predictable and was basically just another Marvel movie. The only thing I really liked was the villain who was genuinely well written.
The CGI was really bad, especially those rhinos. I rarely laughed at the comedy. In fact I grunted in disgust for a lot of the jokes. Quoting the "What are those?!" meme that was never funny, the super predictable "Make it rain" joke, and Stan Lee's underwhelming cameo all made me cringe.

Even though I thought I was going to get a slice of African life they made Wakanda a painfully obvious metaphor for the United States. Even when they aren't setting a movie in America they still make it about America. Think about it. They have all the technology and horde it for themselves, they're extremely stubborn in their ways, and they wall themselves off from the rest of the world. In fact they pretty much say that Wakanda was an analogy for the US in the post-credit scene.

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SPOILERS
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When Black Panther fought Killmonger I turned to my sister and whispered "Panther's going to get thrown off the waterfall, they're going to pretend he's dead, and Killmonger will take over until the climatic show down where Panther leads a revolution to take back the throne." And wouldn't you know it Panther gets thrown off the waterfall, they pretended he was dead (Even though he's in the trailer for Infinity War), Killmonger took power, and made a comeback where he took back the throne.

When that rival tribe from the beginning of the movie said "We will not help you" my sister whispered to me "They're going to show up and help them in the final battle."

Martin Freeman is like "Are you hiding Vibranium?" Panther was all like "Nuh-uh! Pinkie swear!"
Then Martin Freeman got shot and it was all like "Oh no! The amount of damage he sustained was just enough not to kill him but he'll die at a hospital so we need to take him to Wakanda where we're hiding all the Vibranium immediately after telling him there we weren't hiding Vibranium! WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?!"

At the end when Martin Freeman said "You're gonna need all the help you can get" I nearly stormed out of the theater. That was the most goddamn cliché thing I've ever seen.

In Martin Freeman's first scene Angie turned to me and said "Hey, he has a really good American accent!" Only to take it back later as it deteriorated as the film went on. I swear to god when he said "Get in the car!" he wasn't even doing the American accent. He sounded British as f**k.

Oh god the final climatic show down was bad. First when they're falling the CG looked so bad it looked like a video game. They did this thing where the train comes and it f**ks up their suit, only for that to not matter even the slightest.

Bad kitty...

3/10


Title: Re: BLACK PANTHER (2018)
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on March 22, 2018, 12:32:48 AM
Some people think the black panther movie is the ultimate achievement of humanity,  cannot be mocked and must be utterly and universally adored.

I. Have something for them.


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