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I was in race riots in the Bronx in 1979. I went to school at
Fordum it was crazy. I was there.
They had a mass walk out-cops came in-I went to school there. I sided with my friends. Perkins-who was a bald head guy-and tis crazy Brazil guy, who I hung out with in Poe park. In the Bronx.
People think I don't know wtf I'm talkin about.
You don't even f**king know.
NYC is my REAL home-so-when you THINK you know what life is like in the Bronx-f**k you. I was Born-and lived there.

You believe  me-you dont-I dont give a f**k. I KNOW IT HAPPENED!

Why wouldn't  I believe you?  I have no reason to think you're lying. 

Because they think it's too weird. NYC was crazy. It was crazy.

At that time-back in 1980-it was f**ked,man. and-I dunno.It  was a f**ked thing and when I tell folks  they think I'm lying.
They think-"really?" But I was there-it's real. I dunno-It f**ks me up maybe because I tell the morons in Lawton about the Big City. I dunno. It p**ses me off.

ronnie, i KNOW it happened. i was  living just outside boston then, it was on the news.
  people don't believe that there WAS a real "war" of mafia factions in the combat zone  either. i was THERE, working in a joke shop  across from woolworth's and walking the zone EVERY DAY to catch the train. i watched people being dragged down alleys, or into cars, and never saw them again. but i can't prove it. it's true though.
   my life has been entirely too weird  for most anyone to believe. i no longer give a s**t. i lived it,i know it's real.

I believe you man. May seem surreal to some folks-but s**t was real back east in the 70's and early 80's. It was f**kin crazy.

what really got to me then, and still does,is this. what the hell does the fact that i'm a tiny woman have to do with what i've lived through? i mean, geez..i've been told i MUST be lying because i'd have been murdered.HUH? WHY?
   i had people who protected me because i treated them like humans instead of trash. and people who protected me because i fed them. and people who knew better than to mess with the crazy girl with the tophat and rabbit ears on it. being little doesn't mean you can't defend yourself.
   i wasn't stupid enough to tell anyone " in authority" about it, with no proof. and that makes me a liar. because i'm not dead. people are ASTOUNDINGLY  stupid sometimes...

There was s**t going on. They  (the goverment) had declared NYC not worth saving. Anybody remember that? Garbage lined the streets. It was a war zone. Where I lived-in the Bronx-was mostly big piles of rubble. I walked  down to a  trashed laundry mat in the Bronx where I was living and bought pot laced with angel dust from some guy in front of a closed laundry mat off of Fordum next to Poe Park.
This was in 1979.

Dam straight.

gotta crash,my friend. you AREN'T alone, remember that,okay?

I know and love my life here in Lawton Michigan. But I was born in NYC. And the things I learned there I will never forget. I was there at a time of change and anarchy, It was mad.

Maybe if I told you how my older brother Mike robbed this guy on Pelham Parkway who was just sceramin' at the sky about who the f**k knows what and Mike took his wallet and we got 4 dollars.
The guy had no clue he got robbed. He was too busy beating up a phone booth. Why?  WHO f**kING  KNOWS.
We walked by him an hour later-he was holding the phone out the booth and screaming about Jesus. Goddam.
I lived in a Salvation Army Box for 6 months. IN IT.

It all just f**ks me. So when I hear a cocksucker like Trump who was born rich telling me how to live- f**k HIM.

Hey I'm with you brother.  I was wrongfully imprisoned for a year. I was raped while imprisoned.  I had had possibly. Manageable paranoia and schizophrenia up to that point.  After what was done to me I had severe paranoia,  worse schizophrenia,  PTSD which lead to PTED,  rage issues,  a persecution complex,  defiance disorder and rage issues. 

At one time I could have gone to college and pursued a career as a physicist.  I had an I. Q.  of 140 and had been reading at college levels in 4th grade.  I could have been gone into physics and maybe gotten into quantum and conceptual physics.

After that,  I had too many issues to get very far in life. Drugs would have crippled my intelligence and I refused to take them.  The anger issues kept me from functioning for prolonged periods,  and as more of my life simply disappeared my rage issued increased.

I feel for you,  brother.  Cross my broken,  battered,  bleeding heart I feel for you.

Rc, I believe you. No doubt you have been through some serious Sh*t in your time. I remember some of the things that youve posted about, and Ive always found it interesting. You have some stories to tell. Most people dont. They live there simple little lives in a box. I think maybe thats why sometimes people dont believe things, because they themselves have never experienced anything out of the ordinary. If it didnt happen to them, then theres no way that it could happen to you, right?

Hey Rc, I like to ask questions and pick peoples brains. It probably wasnt just one thing but, what do you think was the cause of the riots in the Bronx?

I believe you. I saw this documentary:

http://youtu.be/Y_8mCJB7GSU (http://youtu.be/Y_8mCJB7GSU)

But seriously, there's a reason they set movies like THE WARRIORS in the Bronx in the late 70s/early 80s.

I can't believe anyone would doubt you about seeing rioting in the Bronx in the 1970s. It sounds completely believable to me that you would have witnessed something like that since you were there. Plus I think you're an honest person who tells the truth.

Why? I know EXACTLY why we had the mass walk out in the school. DeWitt Clinton High School. They trashed that place on the way out. It was because they stopped the school sports  program because there was NO MONEY. The city was bankrupt. That was all those inner city kids had. They went apes**t. Nobody in the goverment cared.
And that's the reason why they have riots ANYWHERE. Who gives a f**k in "the heartland" America about a bunch of poor n****rs in the Bronx?
DO YOU?
When you got nothing-you got nothing to loose. Your forgotten. Your angry.
Perkins. He was a big bald head guy who EVERY one was scared of. When I first met him he told me he was gonna "beat my ass" if I didn't do his school work for him. I told him f**k you. He was my friend after that and had my back. "Michigan got heart!"

 :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:

Yeah. The only problem with that is those folks are white. I rarely seen a white face in the Bronx. I saw one other white guy in school. And I didn't like him  He was an a***ole. Most of the white folks were old. I lived with my Gramma who had lived there since the 1940's. The white folks moved out years ago.

To answer your question, RC, as bluntly and as honestly as I can, no, I don't care a great deal about the abstract suffering of people I don't know anymore than they care about my own life. (Plus in 1979 I was an infant.) That's reality, whether it ought to be or not.

I am divided between some Christian duty to feel love and compassion for all others, and the Darwinian-influenced animal in me that thinks survival of the fittest is this world's true rule and the elimination of competitors for the planet's resources is a positive thing.

I guess I may not know until my last breath which side of me wins, the part that genuinely tries to live by Christ's Golden Rule, or the predator who follows natural selection. I have been told by psychologists that I am highly amoral but also empathetic.

After all, are we animals or are we made in the image of God? If we're animals, destroy, take, survive. If we seek to imitate some goodness we feel came from a mysterious source that may be God, be kind, share, be giving.

All I can say is I think I have done more good for other people, including complete strangers, than others have done for me. Sometimes at personal cost.

I NEVER had a black person jump my ass, try to rob me, or any of the things that are sterotyped by folks who don't know inner city blacks they see in movies. They were cool. I had problems with Italian a***oles when I lived in Long Island who wanted to be gangsters. Watched too many movies. Don't get me wrong-there were Mafia motherf**kers all over Long Island. I didn't f**k with them-they didn't f**k with me. It was the punk ass wannabes who f**ked with me. It was ok. Me and Glenn and Richie had no problem putting the scare on there asses.

Of course. Why would you care. Yet  you should. Because there are a lot more n****rs in this world than in your tiny universe. And if one day they rise up and kill your family because you don't care, don't be surprised.
Your "Christian values" are hollow. They are a veneer for selfishness. Not very "Christian".
Don't even start with me about this phony "GOD" bulls**t.

Darwinian natural selection??? WTF does that mean? That whites are better than others???  Are you insane? Social problems start riots-not biology.
If those kids in the Bronx had the same advantages as most white America there would be no riots or ghettos. The reason there is more crime and gangs in black neighborhoods is because white America put them there. Because they don't care. People like you.

Your reply sounds more like an excuse than anything else> "Oh- I did this and I did that and I love God". Why did you bother to write anything at all except to hear yourself talk and vindicate your own beliefs that you are better than others?

By natural selection I guess I mean the constant competition for resources, for supremacy, for strength. All you can do in this cruel life is try to be stronger/smarter/faster/better hidden than what challenges you. If someone comes for us we can try to survive. We can try to be ready. It's all you can do.

My entire house are yard are a would-be kill zone.

Personally, mate, I like my odds.

I like you, Ronny, but you sure do whine a lot.

HAHAHAHA. Haha...HA! er...ha.

There might be bloodshed-but-

(https://i.imgur.com/2wq47ZT.gif) (https://lunapic.com)

More honesty?

Okay, just like the whiny Catholics in Northern Ireland always talking about how they hate the British would have been slaughtered in the streets of their precious slums without the British keeping them alive, so minorities in the United States could not survive without whites.

And like those Northern Irish Catholics, all minorities seem to do sometimes is complain.

There you go. Real enough for you?

But, yes, I completely believe you saw riots. A bunch of inner city types rioting and destroying their own schools and infrastructure is hardly scarce. After all they didn't build the schools or businesses or houses, they paid no taxes to support them, why should they respect them? Why should they value what they stand for? Why shouldn't they trash and burn them? Someone else will give them more  money to rebuild so they can complain about their miseries.

Yeah, hard to care about barbarians, RC. Barbarians who blame others for their own problems?

I started off saying I believed you. That you're honest. So you are. But you're also an endless complainer and your own worst enemy and I'm a decent enough person to take you seriously enough to tell you that, unlike most people here who seem to condescend to you like you're amusing. I don't. I respect you and tell you the good and bad about what you say. I like you but you owe yourself better than you give yourself.

Whoop Dee do you saw a riot.

Wow . Just f**king wow. Your true colors are flying. I don't have to reply to that. It speaks for itself.

Okay. I'm showing my true colors by saying I am part of an unappreciated majority? By saying we do more for others than others do for us? By daring to suggest less screaming about possibly non-existent victimization and more hard work might pay off? By saying, uh, yeah, the only people I know of who riot and burn their own neighborhoods are in the inner city? And they seldom pay taxes?

I live each day treating everyone I meet with courtesy and when applicable respect. Do you?

I know people who share my race that I wouldn't trust farther than I can throw them, and people of other races I'd trust with my life. White, black, brown, yellow, red or anything else, if someone is honest, hard-working and is doing his or her best, that person has my respect.

Despite how mixed up he got, I think Malcolm X had a HELL of a lot of good ideas about hard work, honesty, education, and a people supporting itself. Ever read him?

I used to gather books to donate to prisoners, a lot of those prisoners were probably Hispanics and blacks, and you know what, I couldn't have cared less, if they wanted to read I was glad to do my bit to help them. Ever gathered books for prisoners, Ronny?

I also happen to think a generation and a half of blacks being aborted since 1973 is sickening , and capital punishment, which has killed a lot of black people, is a disgraceful atrocity. If I hated minorities, wouldn't I say abort and fry them all?

In high school I used to volunteer at a church food bank which sent virtually everything into the inner city. Ever volunteered at a food bank helping people in the inner city, Ronny? (For that matter, how many atheists run food banks?)

At seventeen I stepped up to undertake service for a cause I found worth putting my life on the line for. What were you doing at seventeen, RC?

At nineteen that same decision saw me putting my life on the line to help people I didn't know, whom I'd never meet, who weren't even in my country, and I am proud of what I did. It saved lives. It helped others. What were you doing at nineteen, Ronny? One of the members of my team was one of the most admirable human beings I've ever known, and he was blacker than sundown in a canyon, and he had less patience for anyone blaming others and acting like a barbarian that I do. He came from a slum but he sure didn't stay there. So what's your excuse for not rising in life, RC?

I could have gone to a posh east coast college. I chose a different life. I live simply. I grew up middle class among rich relatives. I was among the poorest of where I went to school, a rich school, where I went largely because I EARNED scholarships. Did you know that? I didn't whine, I fought my way into a school that didn't necessarily want someone like me in there.

My husband and I run a business that employs ten people. I work at another family-owned business that sees even more get their livelihoods that way. Ever given anyone a job, RC?

My husband is not the product of privilege. He was born a bastard to an unwed teenaged mother in a city with about 20% unemployment in a place where the rust belt meets the coalfields. Today he owns a business.

My mother's native people will tell you they've always been "the n****rs of Europe", but they're proud of what they are, they don't let anyone keep them down, they shove their way forward asserting they're as good as anyone and a damned sight better than many, and a lot of people could learn from that attitude. They may sing about their sorrows but they sure as shooting don't whine. Whiners are tiring. Whiners are failures.

I pay more in taxes than I'd like, supporting others by doing so, but I pay them because I am proud of my nation.

I give more to charity than I'm always able to give. I give money to panhandlers more often than not. black, white, whatever.

I have never been arrested. I've never even had a speeding ticket. I'm proud of that, and it makes me impatient with others who repeatedly commit crimes.

If you're going to tar and feather me as something horrible, maybe you should measure yourself against me.

But, yeah, as I said to start off with, I believe you.

Yeah, ok, your a great humanitarian.
I posted this as a a thing that happened to me .
You took it as a personal affront.
Why- I don't know.
You can babble on for pages and pages about anything and every thing and I write something personal and you jump me.

Uhm, you do pull out the soapbox don't you?  Ron is amusing, but if anyone here "condescends" to him, I don't see it.  He called and we talked last night for at least an hour.  We agree about most things, but hardly everything.  I don't think you really know him, but see only one side. 

Man- this was what happened to me in the Bronx. Why this turned into a political thing is f**ked. It's always gotta be about you.
And when I tell what happened to the folks here in buttf**k Michigan backwoods-they think the same thing- "f**k them n****rs."
THATS your attitude ER- "f**k EM!".
Ya know what? That attitude will bite you in the ass some day.
Good luck. You'll need it.
I really am done here. It's a waste of time dragging this out. It just hurts my heart to talk with you anymore.Anytime anyone starts a thread you hijack it and make it about YOU. I wish you well. I feel sorry for you.
f**k this.

RC, read back, you asked ME if I cared and that's why I answered. Originally I just said I believed you and didn't see why anyone didn't.

I think expecting everyone to be responsible for doing his best to get ahead in life, and holding everyone responsible for his actions, is not just non-racist, it's the basis of civilization. Life will never be equal or fair but everyone deserves the same rights and no one should be excused from accountability.

And, AHD, it's definitely true I don't know RC except in here, and I know you know him better, I said that about condescending because of some things that've been said about RC to me in here that I didn't think were right. Whatever else might be true of Ronny Merchant, I do respect the man for knowing a thing or two and I do take him seriously. He's survived a tough life and I admire that.

Let it go,man. f**k it.
This is going nowhere.

ER, YOU are the only person i see here who is being condescending. not me,who has been through similar crap. and not the other posters who honestly wanted ron's opinions of WHY he went through what he went through in the past.
   why do you ALWAYS have to bring out the religion card? and seriously,do you truly think only black people, or  poor white people, or latinos are the ONLY ones who have had abortions? get real. i volunteered at dr. tiller's clinic for many years. there were plenty of women who weren't poor who made that choice. and JUST LIKE YOU, they chose THEIR lives first. you would defend your home to the death,you say. well guess what? WE, who made that choice consider our bodies and our futures to be our homes. we chose NOT to bring unwanted,or deformed children into this world that would ruin OUR HOMES, OUR BODIES AND OUR FUTURES.
   i am 56,and i had 2 actual abortions because i knew i didn't want children, and i wasn't about to risk my life and my future to have a child that would end up hated. or worse, completely neglected and end up in the foster care cycle to be abused or murdered.if you think that doesn't happen, wrong. it does.
  at the age of 32, i CHOSE to be a surrogate for a friend,and that baby was truly wanted. BUT. she almost killed me, and had to be aborted at 5 months TO SAVE MY LIFE.
   and one more thing. PRIDE is one of your god's seven deadly sins, isn't it? i suggest you take a good long look in the mirror.

Humility in truth. I am mostly proud of the life I've lived, and I think we are supposed to be proud of ourselves. If someone lacks pride, then change the way life's being lived and do better. Arrogance is another matter. Never be arrogant, and never be ashamed.

I mentioned blacks in the context of abortion because as has been pointed out within that community an entire generation has been lost that way. Abortion clinics are seldom in wealthy neighborhoods, and the basis of Planned Parenthood's foundation was the racist eugenics of Margaret Sanger. If I hated a race I might wish to see it destroyed. I don't and that was my point when it was perhaps suggested I had said something that needed to be defended.

Having had abortions hardly makes you unique since almost half the women I know have had at least one, including my best friend, and I went with her. What multiple abortions might make you is a bit careless. Also the mother of dead children, right?

To be clear I have no religion.

 :bluesad: 
I continue to be reminded of what should never be said, or written. 

...yeah.

Disagreeing with somebody is not the same thing as taking a pot shot.  That's just mean. 

Mean indeed.

I quit reading ER's posts a while back, and frankly wish this board had a twit filter I could stick her on. I recommend other people simply skip her posts like i do.

And about RC seeing riots, I have a friend who slept in his bathtub because he was living in ferguson Mo during the riots after the murderer of Michael brown was acquitted. So yes i believe people can remember being near riots.

Someone how I seem to have become this board's right wing Bible thumper, and ironically I'm really among the most tolerant people anywhere, not dogmatic, don't care a lot for most of the Bible except for Ecclesiastes and parts of the Gospels, don't belong to any church, am not a registered Republican or a member of the NRA, don't like Right to Life (my opposition to abortion is strictly based in biology, not in religion) or the militant pro-abortion crowds, and tend to think one side (RTL) needs a lesson in reality, and the other (PC) in science. If you think abortion will ever go away, you're naive; if you think abortion is not taking a human life, you need a science lesson. (Even the Sex Pistols knew that in the song Bodies.) I love Gaiman, Lovecraft and Poe as much as the next imaginative person. I see myself as pushing against the stream in ways that to some seems like conformity, when a lot of non-conformists are predictably conforming and are blind to it. I hate being told what to do and I'm not good at controlling others. You do your thing, I do mine. I do like a philosophical rabbit chase (i.e. "are we animals or made in the image of God?") and don't care for zealots, weak people, or those who excuse criminals. Whether the pressure to conform is coming from the left or right it still boils down to others trying to run your life, and when I see it I don't like it. (I'm talking there about the outer world, not this room.) I have this gift/curse of being able to discuss something very hard and not feel offended by what others say, and I know not everyone has skin as thick as mine. To be verbose is in my DNA, and I do believe that. If you doubt me, go to Ireland sometime. People there talk like me. In short, this thread took an odd turn. I don't think RC Merchant is in any way, shape or form a liar. Way back at the start that's all I was trying to say. Beyond that, I took the bait within RC's question and ran with it. Again: my DNA. I hope everyone has a good night, and tomorrow we're all...

(Funny, you quit reading my posts, yet you replied to a few over the last week.)

Windy in here...
http://youtu.be/IgQeRf_fyUo (http://youtu.be/IgQeRf_fyUo)  

I don't think of you as a right wing bible thumper, ER.  But I sure have been perceived as the left wing on this forum so I can understand why you might construe such about yourself.  Extrapolation or long explanations are suspect.  
Pointedly, I don't think you understand BELA, the inscrutable.  




You're playing word games but that was vicious what you wrote.  

http://youtu.be/RBUtBrk7yzo (http://youtu.be/RBUtBrk7yzo)  

For historic preservation: 

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Go xxxx yourself,  ER.  I started avoiding your xxxxposts when you started casting snide aspersions on me for relating events that had done terrible damage to my life and making insulting insinuations about them.  But sometimes I can't avoid seeing them as I scroll by them like in this case.

Also you claim you're being "persecuted" for your beliefs.  WRONG!!! You're being dumped on because you a passive agtressive,  sniping,  japing little **** who just makes a constant series of little digs at people until they snap at you then whine and cry "PERSECUTION!! '"

You've done it to me,  you've done it to RC and now you're butthurting about how people get sick of your constant little xxxxxy needling.  

I really wish this place had a. Block list,  i'd put you on it in a nanosecond. Since it doesn't I finally had to explode at you because I was sick of your constant little jabs. I'm sure you'll run to someone to get me banned and probably will,  much to your spiteful delight, but frankly as much as I kinda like the rest of this board you're such a colossal c word it's hardly worth being around you to be here.

And yes much like my avatar I only take so many little attacks before....

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You know something, Sven?
Since you have joined this forum, you have said that you hate all Christians - that's nearly 2 billion people! - simply because of their faith.
You hate all Republicans, you hate all Islamists, and several other broad groups.
You have ZERO room to gripe about someone being prejudiced or discriminatory.
I have  tried hard to be nice to you, but you make it REALLY difficult.
Ron and I go way back.  I cut him some slack because I know he has had a very hard life - and, frankly, because a lot of the time he is pretty drunk when he posts here.  Not trying to be ugly, he himself freely admits that.
 But frankly, I saw ER get gang-tackled on this thread for expressing honest opinions.
You might not agree with her, but there is no reason for you or RC to treat her as rudely as you have on this thread.
Ron is an important part of this forum, but frankly, you are a mean-spirited troll a good bit of the time and if you left for good it wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit!

So it's all about YOU Indy!!!    :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:

I said I have issues with people trying to force their views on America and turn America into a theocracy.  I do bit attack people on this board for their beliefs.  I don't jab at people suffering severe depression.  See the difference?

This thread has just turned into a flamewar. I need to go to bed so I'm just going to lock it and let everyone cool off overnight.