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Title: Human Privilege
Post by: ER on March 07, 2018, 09:41:42 AM
There is talk about black privilege, white privilege, male privilege, female privilege, western privilege, Fourth World privilege, gay privilege, child privilege, drug addict privilege, blue collar privilege, coastal privilege, Protestant privilege, birth order privilege, private school privilege, financial privilege, Jewish privilege, and even leper privilege (less chance of STDs if your gonads have fallen off), but why not cut to the heart of it and focus on the common denominator there: human privilege. We live on a planet with no less than nine million species, yet we alone harness electricity, read the printed word, encircle the globe with satellites, and use mouthwash. We with our opposable thumbs and shoes, we with our hair products and pornography, our God-given gift of firearms, who are we to feel better than any other animal who shares this planet with us, whose ancestors never got the same chance to evolve as we did? Every time you use a toilet, think, no other life form on the planet gets to do that! What can you do about your privilege? First, be aware of it! Secondly, share the privilege, take in a jellyfish, a lemur, or maybe, on a budget, roaches or slime molds. Lastly, you owe it to the rest of the Earth’s life forms to feel really, really, really, really, really bad all your life about your privilege, so hang your head, feel awkward, and make lots of excuses for species that, unlike you, have never gotten to see cat videos on the internet, or hear the mellifluous strains of hip-hop on satellite radio. Humans everywhere, embrace your hate crimes! Thank you.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 07, 2018, 12:11:10 PM
... our God-given gift of firearms ...

God gave man guns as much as He gave man crucifixion. 


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: ER on March 07, 2018, 04:21:18 PM
Thank you for clearing that up, John. Good karma coming your way.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: kakihara on March 07, 2018, 04:30:17 PM
Whoa......ka pooom! ( sound of mind being blown).


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: Pacman000 on March 07, 2018, 04:34:03 PM
I'm fairly sure ER's post was meant as a joke, but it is similar to a real idea, Speciesism. (Yes, Firefox, that's a real word.)

https://www.care2.com/causes/speciesism-and-veganism-transcending-politics-and-religion.html (https://www.care2.com/causes/speciesism-and-veganism-transcending-politics-and-religion.html)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/papq.12192/full (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/papq.12192/full)


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: Alex on March 07, 2018, 05:03:55 PM
As much as it might have been meant as a joke we are doing a pretty damn good job of f**king things up royally. Some years ago I did decide f**k it, might as well join in and ride the apocalypse train, its one hell of a ride. :)

PS I have been drinking tonight.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: ER on March 07, 2018, 05:16:41 PM
I think we're living through one of the most interesting times since the Renaissance, that being the probable fall of western civilization, possibly with human extinction added at no extra cost,  complete with 24-hour news and cheesecake brought to your door.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: ER on March 07, 2018, 05:21:30 PM
As much as it might have been meant as a joke we are doing a pretty damn good job of f**king things up royally. Some years ago I did decide f**k it, might as well join in and ride the apocalypse train, its one hell of a ride. :)

PS I have been drinking tonight.
Enjoy drinking while you can. Two AM cry-fests and loads of soiled diapers await. But before you get to that point in your future you're also having a baby.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 07, 2018, 10:12:42 PM
... our God-given gift of firearms ...
God gave man guns as much as He gave man crucifixion. 

Thank you for clearing that up, John. Good karma coming your way.
Are you sure you understand what I meant?  Or rather, what I wrote?


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: dean on March 08, 2018, 03:57:42 AM
I think we're living through one of the most interesting times since the Renaissance, that being the probable fall of western civilization, possibly with human extinction added at no extra cost,  complete with 24-hour news and cheesecake brought to your door.

I'd agree with you on the interesting. Sadly it's probably coming at the cost of United States political dominance which is probably reflected in the widening wage gap and the pain I see some of you folks going through here in the off topic threads.

Gotta say though, if we don't stuff up the environment so much that we all die, things are looking up (for the rest of us at least)!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2017/11/30/why-the-world-is-getting-better-why-hardly-anyone-knows-it/#2b02d1d97826 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2017/11/30/why-the-world-is-getting-better-why-hardly-anyone-knows-it/#2b02d1d97826)


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: ER on March 16, 2018, 11:27:39 AM
We slum in isolation in the twelfth richest place in the United States, and it's beautiful and terrible at the same time. It’s beautiful for its silence and virgin forests and high-ground views of a national scenic river that reflects moonlight like a mirror, for its English-style lawns and its Tudor and Georgian manor houses and its collected Arabian horses that add fiery grace to scenery that includes ancient Adena mounds and half-millennium-old oaks. And it’s terrible in a strictly human way for its soul-less horrors of the spirit.

There is nothing immoral in wealth or noble in poverty, yet there is something here much too often that draws my disgust like a Goya canvas.

Not everyone among my fellow residents here fits a stereotype, but many do, and I don’t regret keeping to myself, choosing, as I have so often in my past, self-selected isolation over involuntary exclusion. For what matters here is not whether you’re nice, or intelligent, or wise, or heroic, or brave, or whether you love, but only that you are wealthy, which, comparatively, we are not. If I sold this land I could be rich, but I won't. We couldn't afford it here except my grandpa left this house to us. It drains us quarter by quarter, but we stay intractably, unapologetically, each divergent season because it’s home.

Lots of outwardly successful people dwell here, athletes, celebrities, CEOs, CFOs, old money, new money, media moguls, all too often passing their days amid complacent bewilderment and genteel drug addiction, citing cocaine as the trusted morning pick-me-up, even among the white-haired, feeling they've one-upped the old guard alcoholics who sample for their fix the finest scotches and most vintage wines, their doctor-prescribed pills for all moods and psychological complications not always carefully referenced for contraindications, so that drug overdoses among Baby Boomers of means are increasing at an alarming rate and ambulance sirens cry out perhaps one morning out of five scurrying some moneyed scion off to Jewish Hospital where he'll be saved (or not) and live to speak at the country club about how he had no idea he wasn't supposed to get drunk while taking that.

Then conversations will morph, and among spent-air describing the hosting of the Archbishop’s fundraiser or what colleges their offspring chose and how much they shelled out in political donations, the venue for the therapeutic post-overdose vacation will be talked over, whether it’s to be Dubai this year or Monte Carlo, or perhaps just Costa Rica again. And all this is spoken without the faintest hint of irony because rich or poor life becomes mundane to you, a hundred million in bonds or a hundred dollars in a savings account, sooner or later it is just what it is.

Sure women succeed here, run companies, anchor newscasts, admirably invest themselves in their children around their discreet touch-ups at the surgeons, but so many men still possess old school stay at home wives, "Ladies who Lunch," who take up distant social activism and oft have looks in their eyes like their heads should be mounted on a wall, their souls bought and paid for, and their 3 AM terrors flit around whether they'll one day be traded in for a newer model: sometimes literally a model. The mystery of their bitterness rapidly finds its way to the prescription counter, “Doctor I am just not happy….”

I’ll say again, drug addiction is endemic here.

Policy-making goes on behind thick oak doors in this town, talks that touch every life in the world (you’re naïve if you don’t think it affects you too), and there is despite the privilege as much familial discord and domestic abuse as anywhere, just nicely covered with makeup and cosmetic surgery, by pricy counseling sessions, all mollified by polite affairs with pool boys and kept women.

"Have you seen my trophy mistress this year?" Okay no one quite comes out and says that but nearly, for make no mistake, women are still “kept” in the 2010s by men who live in my community, their favors paid for, their bodies clad in designer attire, their penthouses or trendy bungalows in the hills showpieces in their own right, their temporary residents compensated for somehow feigning arousal before men whose days of wetting women, if ever they existed at all, are long gone, and in the end the only mystery is who is using whom, for a smart mistress can come out of the transaction set for life. Just business. If it hurts wives, sons, granddaughters, leaving them to clean up after you twenty years after you’re dead, well, that’s how it’s always been and always will. If you had the means would you truly be any different?

The latest flavor among the set here seems to be having at least one gay child, like it's the new badge of honor, and conversations that start, "Did you know my daughter came out last summer?" don't possess the same hint of debutants they did in decades past.

I ignore most of the goings on here and keep to myself because I don't fit in and don't want to. My fellow residents, not overt snobs it must be admitted, wave to even the poorest among their neighbors, of course, and we wave back and match smile for smile.

Most everyone among the established sorts seems to dwell within a slight paranoia and are quick to call on the help of their privately-chartered police force. (Literally a private police force.) But of course everyone is welcome here, and at the library one overhears gossip about my goodness a Bangladeshi-born heart surgeon just moved into the old Folger place, darker than a Negro, him, and his red-haired wife is so lovely, and we must have them over! So you see, everyone with money is welcome, NFL players of color are here in plentitude, WASPs, Catholics, Jews, Hindus, no bigotry at all, no bigotry at all. If you’re rich, you’re welcome.

Ah, yes, I do keep to myself.

Politicians come here kissing ass, hands out, making the community feel like a brothel sometimes, whoring for money, contempt on both sides, the bought and the buyer, though which is which? The who's-who of those who used to come to this house alone reads like a list of yesteryear's has-beens, those whose stars shone and dimmed as all halos do.  

That’s my hometown and I thought I'd describe it over here under human privilege. There you are.




Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: Alex on March 16, 2018, 01:25:28 PM
You should meet the women around here. They tend to be quite snobby with each other based on their husbands rank and some will try to boss the wife's of lower ranking husbands around, and sometimes the guy and gals in uniform. Although I can't go into the causes I did have a woman screeching at me "DO YOU KNOW WHO MY HUSBAND IS, I DEMAND YOU LET ME IN!". She didn't get in, and although I didn't know who her husband was I did make sure I found out and he had to explain to his boss what had happened and apologise for his wife's behaviour.

Did you know there is a web site where young women can go put there details in and get themselves a sugar daddy (or more if they wish). I think they put in details of how much they want spent on them in gifts and so on and then the men can decide which ones they like. What the women are expected to provide in return for having this money spent on them isn't explicitly stated, but I'd imagine it involves going upstairs for a game of Monopoly.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: 316zombie on March 16, 2018, 09:37:09 PM
We slum in isolation in the twelfth richest place in the United States, and it's beautiful and terrible at the same time. It’s beautiful for its silence and virgin forests and high-ground views of a national scenic river that reflects moonlight like a mirror, for its English-style lawns and its Tudor and Georgian manor houses and its collected Arabian horses that add fiery grace to scenery that includes ancient Adena mounds and half-millennium-old oaks. And it’s terrible in a strictly human way for its soul-less horrors of the spirit.

There is nothing immoral in wealth or noble in poverty, yet there is something here much too often that draws my disgust like a Goya canvas.

Not everyone among my fellow residents here fits a stereotype, but many do, and I don’t regret keeping to myself, choosing, as I have so often in my past, self-selected isolation over involuntary exclusion. For what matters here is not whether you’re nice, or intelligent, or wise, or heroic, or brave, or whether you love, but only that you are wealthy, which, comparatively, we are not. If I sold this land I could be rich, but I won't. We couldn't afford it here except my grandpa left this house to us. It drains us quarter by quarter, but we stay intractably, unapologetically, each divergent season because it’s home.

Lots of outwardly successful people dwell here, athletes, celebrities, CEOs, CFOs, old money, new money, media moguls, all too often passing their days amid complacent bewilderment and genteel drug addiction, citing cocaine as the trusted morning pick-me-up, even among the white-haired, feeling they've one-upped the old guard alcoholics who sample for their fix the finest scotches and most vintage wines, their doctor-prescribed pills for all moods and psychological complications not always carefully referenced for contraindications, so that drug overdoses among Baby Boomers of means are increasing at an alarming rate and ambulance sirens cry out perhaps one morning out of five scurrying some moneyed scion off to Jewish Hospital where he'll be saved (or not) and live to speak at the country club about how he had no idea he wasn't supposed to get drunk while taking that.

Then conversations will morph, and among spent-air describing the hosting of the Archbishop’s fundraiser or what colleges their offspring chose and how much they shelled out in political donations, the venue for the therapeutic post-overdose vacation will be talked over, whether it’s to be Dubai this year or Monte Carlo, or perhaps just Costa Rica again. And all this is spoken without the faintest hint of irony because rich or poor life becomes mundane to you, a hundred million in bonds or a hundred dollars in a savings account, sooner or later it is just what it is.

Sure women succeed here, run companies, anchor newscasts, admirably invest themselves in their children around their discreet touch-ups at the surgeons, but so many men still possess old school stay at home wives, "Ladies who Lunch," who take up distant social activism and oft have looks in their eyes like their heads should be mounted on a wall, their souls bought and paid for, and their 3 AM terrors flit around whether they'll one day be traded in for a newer model: sometimes literally a model. The mystery of their bitterness rapidly finds its way to the prescription counter, “Doctor I am just not happy….”

I’ll say again, drug addiction is endemic here.

Policy-making goes on behind thick oak doors in this town, talks that touch every life in the world (you’re naïve if you don’t think it affects you too), and there is despite the privilege as much familial discord and domestic abuse as anywhere, just nicely covered with makeup and cosmetic surgery, by pricy counseling sessions, all mollified by polite affairs with pool boys and kept women.

"Have you seen my trophy mistress this year?" Okay no one quite comes out and says that but nearly, for make no mistake, women are still “kept” in the 2010s by men who live in my community, their favors paid for, their bodies clad in designer attire, their penthouses or trendy bungalows in the hills showpieces in their own right, their temporary residents compensated for somehow feigning arousal before men whose days of wetting women, if ever they existed at all, are long gone, and in the end the only mystery is who is using whom, for a smart mistress can come out of the transaction set for life. Just business. If it hurts wives, sons, granddaughters, leaving them to clean up after you twenty years after you’re dead, well, that’s how it’s always been and always will. If you had the means would you truly be any different?

The latest flavor among the set here seems to be having at least one gay child, like it's the new badge of honor, and conversations that start, "Did you know my daughter came out last summer?" don't possess the same hint of debutants they did in decades past.

I ignore most of the goings on here and keep to myself because I don't fit in and don't want to. My fellow residents, not overt snobs it must be admitted, wave to even the poorest among their neighbors, of course, and we wave back and match smile for smile.

Most everyone among the established sorts seems to dwell within a slight paranoia and are quick to call on the help of their privately-chartered police force. (Literally a private police force.) But of course everyone is welcome here, and at the library one overhears gossip about my goodness a Bangladeshi-born heart surgeon just moved into the old Folger place, darker than a Negro, him, and his red-haired wife is so lovely, and we must have them over! So you see, everyone with money is welcome, NFL players of color are here in plentitude, WASPs, Catholics, Jews, Hindus, no bigotry at all, no bigotry at all. If you’re rich, you’re welcome.

Ah, yes, I do keep to myself.

Politicians come here kissing ass, hands out, making the community feel like a brothel sometimes, whoring for money, contempt on both sides, the bought and the buyer, though which is which? The who's-who of those who used to come to this house alone reads like a list of yesteryear's has-beens, those whose stars shone and dimmed as all halos do.  

That’s my hometown and I thought I'd describe it over here under human privilege. There you are.




 and yet, you choose to raise your children in what you seem to be describing as an incredibly toxic atmosphere . you say you keep to yourself, can they?


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: ER on March 16, 2018, 10:37:27 PM
Thanks for the question, zombie. I know how much you care about children. To put your mind to rest, that was mainly satire. We live in a great community.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: 316zombie on March 16, 2018, 10:57:07 PM
fine ER. i promise to never take anything you say seriously again.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: RCMerchant on March 16, 2018, 11:05:44 PM
ER-you live in Ohio. 

The only real drama in your life seems to be that which you create. You have a great imagination as a story teller.
 
Your life would be easier if you didn't imagine fantasies about the world and take it for fact.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: RCMerchant on March 16, 2018, 11:23:41 PM
I know how much you care about children. 

That backhanded remark did not go unnoticed.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: RCMerchant on March 16, 2018, 11:30:19 PM
And disguising it as "satire" grows thin.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: ER on March 16, 2018, 11:42:34 PM
Good. It was meant to be noticed. Someone hits me, I hit back harder. That's all I've ever done. Who is to blame, the instigator or the one who responds? Don't throw the first punch if you can't take the second.

I live in Ohio in the 12th wealthiest community in the US. Just true. I've also lived in Maine, Texas, Ireland. I've been a lot of places. I have little drama in my life except every time I come in here anymore. I don't want drama. And you said you wanted peace with me, RC.  Shame you didn't mean it. I always tried to have your back over the years. Think back, you know that's true. More than you were aware of.

A few of you, you know who you are, owe the fact that your rent got paid to me. One of you was homeless and I contacted you privately and put a roof over your head. You know who you are. Not one of you publicly stood up for me in here against petty attacks recently. Privately but not out on the forum. Ok. Your choice. I never asked for anything back, including the money.

This place...no longer serves its purpose. It did, though. God, if you guys knew.

Anyway,....enjoy each other.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: RCMerchant on March 17, 2018, 01:09:15 AM
Why don't you stop being MEAN?
I don't give a f**k what you do. You have proved yourself. I have no doubt about your real feelings. You try to make yourself as some kind of humanitarian-but your full of s**t. Your trying to pull a bulls**t cloak as being so nice-but your full of hate. You may be fooling some-but not me. I see through you like a ghost. You lie about your true feelings. Not very well. And then you admit your lying!
Sweetie-
I been on this forum a long time-you sure ain't gonna run me off.
Your f**kin with the wrong person.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: 316zombie on March 17, 2018, 02:42:01 AM
wow..you are truly amazing, ellie. truly. and not in a good way. i NEVER thought that you looked at your friends here the way you obviously do until recently.
  i realize i wasn't one of them, but i AM a longtime regular here that you used to treat with the same respect i gave you. what is REALLY going on with you?
  it's only been the last 6 months or so that you've turned into such a bitter woman, as far as i can tell. before that, your" satire" was obviously just that, i don't think anyone took it seriously at all, i know i didn't.
 but lately you write as though you are VERY  serious, and when someone like me takes it seriously, you lash out. and you insult people who care about you on a regular basis. and that's a shame.
  you COULD just talk to us, and maybe we could help, or at least be an outlet for your fear, or your anger at others, like that james person.  why are you trying o hard to alienate people who cared about you? is it really worth it to lose what seems to be your only outlet,and your only place to find a friendly "face"? why are you so bitter now? it doesn't make sense.
  but if you want to be nothing but a troll, i'll answer your insulting PM and give you links where you can learn to do it right. because you AREN'T amusing anyone here, i'll stake my life on that.
  i will pity you as long as i can, just like the rich kids i grew up with who took their fear and anger out on me because i wasn't rich and had good parents they didn't.
 most of them learned that all it took was being civil and they could come and hang out with my family and have fun just being themselves. no church crap, no money crap,no snooty crap. just fun happy times. my parents are still remembered with joy, and they are still my friends. you could have that here again..maybe. it isn't just MY decision. you've hurt a lot of people here,,and you did it on purpose. do YOU know why?


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: Pacman000 on March 17, 2018, 09:49:12 AM
I've always thought ER's posts about her life were real, & the humor/satire was her way of dealing with stress. At the very least her stories are consistent; she "jokes" about the same things. To create an entirely false identity to use on an online forum, to keep it up for years, to keep it consistent; that would take a lot of work.

I will acknowledge that her comments to others have become harsher of late. I believe that's just the current U.S. political climate. A rift between the left and the right's been widening for the past 10 years; I'm not sure anyone can talk to anyone about certain issues without the conversation devolving into a war, with name calling, blaming, and the like, unless the two parties are on the same side.  :bluesad:

If anyone wants to argue, I'm sure Google Groups will let you talk about it on Alt.something. I'm sure the Usenet spammers won't mind.  :wink:


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: RCMerchant on March 17, 2018, 11:02:59 AM
I like alot of her writing too-but when  she "jokes" about "dead babies"-and keeps throwing that in someones face-that's just cruel.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: RCMerchant on March 17, 2018, 11:08:23 AM
I know during an election year I get worked up-but after that I try not to bring up politics. Attacking people for there personal beliefs in sly,offhanded ways on a daily basis is being a TROLL.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: Paquita on March 17, 2018, 01:08:11 PM
Oh. My. Word!  As more of an observer than contributor, I don’t see anyone as a completely innocent victim here, but I have seen many opportunities to let it go that were ignored.  The whole “dead babies” thing is harsh and inexcusable, I agree, but when you bring a nugget like that out in the open, you must understand that you are exposing yourself to harshness.  I find myself wondering if it was brought up as a “dare” or if it was simply sharing information without a second thought about what anyone would say.  If I’ve noticed one thing about ER, she doesn’t seem like one to turn down a dare and I think she took it as just that.

I value many of you and love the mix of personalities, opinions and backgrounds and don’t want to lose anyone.  Others have pleaded with you to just ignore each other, at least for a while, in an effort to keep the peace and I would ask the same. 

I don’t think for a second that ER is inherently cruel, a liar or a “troll”.  I see her as more dual-sided (not to be confused with two-faced), which I think is hard for some people to relate to – myself included.  It’s interesting though, to say the least.

To stay on topic a bit, I don’t live in a rich neighborhood, but I do have access to information of some rich and powerful people.  I agree that the sordid details of the lives of some are quite ugly and it is frightening to know how much power and influence they have and how little people truly know about them.   I also grew up in Chicago and have seen the sordid details of the poor as well.. a major difference is almost everyone knows about what goes on in their lives.

Speaking of Ohio though, that whole story about that scumbag Ariel Castro made me realize the value of what a nosy neighbor could have been in that situation.



Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 17, 2018, 02:15:16 PM
Good. It was meant to be noticed. Someone hits me, I hit back harder. That's all I've ever done. Who is to blame, the instigator or the one who responds? Don't throw the first punch if you can't take the second.

I live in Ohio in the 12th wealthiest community in the US. Just true. I've also lived in Maine, Texas, Ireland. I've been a lot of places. I have little drama in my life except every time I come in here anymore. I don't want drama. And you said you wanted peace with me, RC.  Shame you didn't mean it. I always tried to have your back over the years. Think back, you know that's true. More than you were aware of.

A few of you, you know who you are, owe the fact that your rent got paid to me. One of you was homeless and I contacted you privately and put a roof over your head. You know who you are. Not one of you publicly stood up for me in here against petty attacks recently. Privately but not out on the forum. Ok. Your choice. I never asked for anything back, including the money.

This place...no longer serves its purpose. It did, though. God, if you guys knew.

Anyway,....enjoy each other.
ER, I am not a fan of the pile-on, having been subject to it.  Without explanation or extrapolation, I think you made one mistake: You argued with RC.  It seems to me, any other disagreements you've had were secondary.  RC is probably every good thing you imagined he was.   Arguing with him I've done, and it is a mistake.  Take it in stride, you're strong enough.  You are welcome here, too.  I would miss you if you stayed away.  And it's not 'cause I'm a fan.  You are a member of our family.  

I wonder who you might have put a roof over their head...?  I have a guess, but nary a clue.  
:bluesad: It's awful when kindness is not appreciated.  

EDIT:  Don't be mad at us. 


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: 316zombie on March 17, 2018, 10:28:47 PM
it's okay if she wants to be mad at me, i just hope she isn't mad at  the whole board. y'all don't deserve that. neither does she, but it IS her choice. she's a grownup,you know?  :cheers:


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: RCMerchant on March 17, 2018, 10:42:13 PM


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I like the part where a piece of his skull bounces of the table.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: Allhallowsday on March 17, 2018, 11:15:28 PM
 :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: 

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Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: javakoala on March 18, 2018, 09:50:26 AM
I have avoided this whole situation in all of its incarnations under various threads. I avoid drama because it is pointless and it says more about a person and shows less of their humanity than just about anything else, in my opinion.

I'm not going to take sides. That is pointless as well because no one involved is completely blameless. Plus, taking sides isn't really what I care about.

This is not the forum I came to love over the years. Things have become bitter and dark across the internet, but this place seemed to keep it at bay. Not any longer, and it has been changing over the last couple of years. I have left and come back many times over the last 3 years. The joy at coming back has diminished each time as I see things becoming bitter and dark here as well.

Do I have answers? Nope. Not here to fix the problem as it is a collective issue that is caused by a touch of this, a word here, and shot fired there. Maybe Robert Frost nailed it with his poem:

Nothing Gold Can Stay

Nature’s first green is gold,
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf's a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.

Things are always changing. If you take the positive view, then old things pass on to make room for new and, hopefully, better things. This forum has been in a state of flux for some time. It is changing. While that cannot be helped, it does not follow that the changes will be embraced.

Still, this is no longer the forum I used to call home. That's what is the most distressing.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: Rev. Powell on March 18, 2018, 09:57:19 AM
I wonder if I should have locked more threads. There's probably no solution to interpersonal conflict.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: Alex on March 18, 2018, 10:03:04 AM
I think if you had Rev the argument would have just sprung up anew on a different thread.


Title: Re: Human Privilege
Post by: Trevor on March 19, 2018, 02:30:47 AM


(https://i.imgur.com/87JK0oo.gif) (https://lunapic.com)

I like the part where a piece of his skull bounces of the table.


 :buggedout: :teddyr:

That's how I felt on Friday last week when I was told - with no time to prepare - that I had 12 students coming here.