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Title: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: zombie no.one on June 08, 2018, 01:21:05 PM
https://screenrant.com/friday-13th-new-movie-reboot-delay/

this article from April lists some of the proposed F13 movie ideas since the 2009 reboot

they include:

Jason in the snow
Found Footage Jason
3D / throwback version set in 1988
and a 'Jason Voorhees Family Origins' type one

none got made but apparently a couple were close, one was 6 weeks away from begining the shoot and got pulled.

would anyone herelook forward to a new F13 sequel? after all the next one would be PART 13, so they should at least attempt to make it imo...

there are complex legal wranglings going on as well  though...


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Chainsawmidget on June 08, 2018, 03:00:22 PM
https://screenrant.com/friday-13th-new-movie-reboot-delay/

this article from April lists some of the proposed F13 movie ideas since the 2009 reboot

they include:

Jason in the snow
Found Footage Jason
3D / throwback version set in 1988
and a 'Jason Voorhees Family Origins' type one

none got made but apparently a couple were close, one was 6 weeks away from begining the shoot and got pulled.

would anyone herelook forward to a new F13 sequel? after all the next one would be PART 13, so they should at least attempt to make it imo...

there are complex legal wranglings going on as well  though...

Snow Jason?  meh.
Found Footage jason?  NO!
3-D throw back?  maybe
Jason Origins?  Horrible idea

 


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on June 08, 2018, 03:48:36 PM
SIGH... How about kaiju jason? The finally get tired of jason and drop a nuke on him, so natrually he absorbs the balonium radiantion and grows to giant size, along with his mask and ax. Then we have kaiju jason smashing cities.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Alex on June 08, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
I'd like to see it taken in entirely a new direction. Maybe a rom com?


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: zombie no.one on June 09, 2018, 03:53:47 AM

Jason Origins?  Horrible idea

 
agreed, and this was the one that was about to go into production.

F13 is like the AC/DC of horror franchises. nothing needs to be reinvented or messed with, it just needs to be done well to work. if they F with the formula it won't work


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: FatFreddysCat on June 09, 2018, 06:18:32 AM
Honestly, I love the F13 saga as much as the next horror nerd but I'm so burned out on the series that I don't think I'd bother with any new installments.

Ditto for the other big horror franchises, i.e. Halloween (tho I have to admit that new trailer has me slightly more intrigued than I was previously), Texas Chainsaw, Nightmare on Elm Street, Hellraiser, etc., etc.

Let the '70s/'80s rest for a while. Come up with some new s*** for cryin' out loud.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Alex on June 09, 2018, 06:29:30 AM
Honestly, I love the F13 saga as much as the next horror nerd but I'm so burned out on the series that I don't think I'd bother with any new installments.

Ditto for the other big horror franchises, i.e. Halloween (tho I have to admit that new trailer has me slightly more intrigued than I was previously), Texas Chainsaw, Nightmare on Elm Street, Hellraiser, etc., etc.

Let the '70s/'80s rest for a while. Come up with some new s*** for cryin' out loud.

NEW STUFF!!! HERESY I SAY, BURN HIM HE IS CLEARLY A WITCH!!!!!


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 09, 2018, 08:30:02 AM
Are you kidding? We didn't need 12 of the old ones.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: zombie no.one on June 09, 2018, 09:50:38 AM
yeah I can see why some people don't give a flying hockey mask. but I have a soft spot for the F13 series overall... there's a few I love, a few I don't, and a few I hate. but I'd happily watch another one if they made it


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 09, 2018, 11:51:28 AM
Believe it or not my favorites of that series were 2, 3, and JASON GOES TO HELL.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: zombie no.one on June 09, 2018, 04:44:02 PM
3 is good fun... goofy but entertaining.

part 6 is the only one of the 80s batch I have a real problem with. it tries too hard to be self aware and trendy, imo. - although most F13 fans seem to love it.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: indianasmith on June 09, 2018, 09:58:00 PM
How about a SYFY original - JASONSHARK????  :teddyr:


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 09, 2018, 10:46:24 PM
Howabout JASON GOES TO HOLLYWOOD? And he kills the Kardashians and Mel Gibson and other TV and movie stars who actually play themselves?
OR!
JASON VS. FREDDY VS. MICHEAL MYERS  AT A TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE. I mean- they got all these superheros in movies all jammed in together.
I would actually go see this. Directed by Sam Raimi, no less.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 09, 2018, 10:53:44 PM
The worst to me, is JASON TAKES MANHATTAN.
He never even makes it to Manhattan. It's all on a f**king boat. If he had went toe to toe with the NYCPD, That would have been cool.
That movie insulted my intelligence and ripped me off. (Thankfully I ain't too smart, and I didn't pay to see it.)


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: zombie no.one on June 10, 2018, 05:04:21 AM
lol

he does make it to 'manhattan' (actually vancouver, except for one scene I think)... I'm a fan of Part 8. again it's dumb in many ways but I enjoy it, it's easy to watch. and I love the main theme tune by Metropolis. I watch it 2-3 times a year still...


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Alex on June 10, 2018, 05:47:27 AM
I enjoyed the Friday 13th movies to varying degrees, but I can't help thinking you can stick a fork in them now, they are done. I have a complete collection of them and I dig them out now and again for a watch, but I'd like to see something new now.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: zombie no.one on June 10, 2018, 07:54:21 AM
if you're burned out on the films, the 3xDVD CRYSTAL LAKE MEMORIES documentary is a good watch. each sequel gets a good half hour/45 minute segment of analysis/interviews etc...


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Alex on June 10, 2018, 07:58:44 AM
I did see a really good fan made movie recently.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: FatFreddysCat on June 10, 2018, 09:29:53 AM
I did see a really good fan made movie recently.

Was it "Never Hike Alone?" That was a good one!


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Alex on June 10, 2018, 10:01:45 AM
The name sounds like it could have been. Some guy is blogging his way through forests and cuts through Crystal Lake and comes across Jason. I couldn't remember the name of it though.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Chainsawmidget on June 10, 2018, 10:19:03 AM
Friday the 13th movies have never really been original or had much going for them.  They're the Big mac meal of horror movies. 

Sometimes you just crave some creative kills and nekkid people.  You know it's not good for you, but every once in a while it's okay.   


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: zombie no.one on June 10, 2018, 12:25:52 PM
yeah not exactly high art are they...more like, erm 'bad movies'... :teddyr:

The name sounds like it could have been. Some guy is blogging his way through forests and cuts through Crystal Lake and comes across Jason. I couldn't remember the name of it though.


yeah sounds like the one I saw a few months ago, which means Freddy was right, it's this:

http://youtu.be/7K_wkQSM8xM (http://youtu.be/7K_wkQSM8xM)


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on June 11, 2018, 12:49:18 AM
Jason goes to Washington. Right now we need something like that.



Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: LilCerberus on June 11, 2018, 10:56:40 AM
Jason goes to Washington. Right now we need something like that.


:bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:

(needed that)


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: retrorussell on June 11, 2018, 05:32:07 PM
Maybe we should remake JASON X as Jason in the role of Malcolm X.  :twirl:
Honestly I think the series ran its course several films ago.  Should just be an 80s time capsule.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on June 11, 2018, 09:28:46 PM
"Jason meets intelligent people"  where someone drives a bulldozer over jason, pins him under it and then the cast takes turns spitting on his and making "Yo momma so" jokes at him as he lies trapped and helpless under it.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: zombie no.one on June 12, 2018, 05:03:23 AM
I'd like to see it taken in entirely a new direction. Maybe a rom com?

JASON VOORHEES' DIARY ?

there's some solid pitches in this thread, maybe we should send them all to New Line or whoever's lumbered with the  F13s now. with 'Jason in the snow' being a serious contender they'e obviously struggling for ideas...


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Chainsawmidget on June 12, 2018, 10:43:00 AM
Jason goes to Maui and has a nice quite peaceful vacation.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: LilCerberus on June 12, 2018, 11:12:31 AM
Jason goes to Gibsonton, Florida, where everybody treats him like a human being, and it scares the hell out of him.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Alex on June 12, 2018, 11:24:03 AM
3 Monsters And A Baby?

Jason, Freddy and Michael Myers all find out they may possibly be the father of a child and all have to live together and bring her up, each of them learning a few valuable life lessons along the way?


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: zombie no.one on June 12, 2018, 03:49:45 PM
3 Monsters And A Baby?

Jason, Freddy and Michael Myers all find out they may possibly be the father of a child and all have to live together and bring her up, each of them learning a few valuable life lessons along the way?

freddy on nappy changing duties...


JASON GOES TO HELVELLYN

- Jason has a lovely walk through the lake district, stopping off to see the house where Samuel Taylor Coleridge lived, then enjoys a nice ploughman's pub lunch.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Chainsawmidget on June 12, 2018, 09:19:12 PM
3 Monsters And A Baby?

Jason, Freddy and Michael Myers all find out they may possibly be the father of a child and all have to live together and bring her up, each of them learning a few valuable life lessons along the way?
and eventually Leatherface just eats it.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 13, 2018, 03:30:34 AM
JASON DOES DALLAS.
Where Jason kills the Dallas Cowboys football team and the cheerleaders.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Trevor on June 13, 2018, 06:56:29 AM
JASON GOES TO AFRICA

He comes here. meets up with Trevor and then runs into the sea.  :wink:


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: TYTD Review on June 13, 2018, 07:17:50 AM
Well hell; I just finished watching all of these (For context heres another "Quick caption review")

Friday the 13th - A bit overrated honestly...nowhere near my favourite...its okay...
Friday the 13th part 2 - it's okay
Friday the 13th Part 3 - Loadsa fun! probably my favourite of the franchise
Friday the 13th Part 4 - Pretty good though a bit slow in the 3rd act
Friday the 13th Part 5 - A nice twist for the franchise and quite nicely shot. I think this is probably one of my favourites from the franchise too.
Friday the 13th Part 6 - Awful. and Awful awful movie...but not the worst...
Friday the 13th Part 7 - I enjoyed it. the psychic angle is pretty cool...good but not great
Friday the 13th Part 8 - If they'd have stopped here I'd have probably been okay with that.

Jason goes to hell - Quite possibly one of the worst movies I've ever seen. it's border radioactive.
Freddy Vs Jason - Total guilty pleasure. Its not a good movie but damnit I cant lie. I enjoy this one.
Jason X - Good kills but ultimately a bit bland for me. Never saw the appeal of Super Jason honestly...

Friday the 13th (Remake) - Eh...pass.

I think theres plenty of scope to do a good friday the 13th movie (The video games "Virtual Cabin" was in and of itself an interesting concept that could have been developed.) I think film makers often over think movies like this...Just keep it simple, keep the kills interesting and varied and at most maybe give it an 80s vibe if you have to stylize it. Jason doesnt need to be heavily drenched in his own back story. he's an unstoppable killing machine who drowned as a child because councillors neglected to keep an eye on him. thats all you really need to know...


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: zombie no.one on June 13, 2018, 12:05:45 PM
I agree with pretty much all your assessments there, except for Part 8 which is one of my faves, and Freddy vs Jason which I can't stand!

FatFreddysCat did a nice little write up on Part 7 in his blog the other day (which actually inspired this thread, I forgot to say.)

https://reelrundown.com/movies/Friday-the-13th-Part-VII-The-New-Blood-1988


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: TYTD Review on June 13, 2018, 01:39:42 PM
I agree with pretty much all your assessments there, except for Part 8 which is one of my faves, and Freddy vs Jason which I can't stand!

FatFreddysCat did a nice little write up on Part 7 in his blog the other day (which actually inspired this thread, I forgot to say.)

https://reelrundown.com/movies/Friday-the-13th-Part-VII-The-New-Blood-1988

Oh I pretty much like part 8 as well :) some of the boat sections are a little slow but I love all the stuff set in Manhatten and some of the lower deck boat stuffs brilliant :) If they'd have ended the franchise with part 8 it would have had a pretty decent sense of closure (Even if the idea of Jason being dissolved to death by sewage seems a bit undignified) xD

I'll check that review out :) cheers for popping it up here :)


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: zombie no.one on June 13, 2018, 02:51:45 PM
ah, I thought you meant they should've ended it with part 8 cause you didn't like that one...fair enough.

LOL at the entire movie being on youtube like this...


http://youtu.be/GN1waLfo3jY (http://youtu.be/GN1waLfo3jY)


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: clockworkcanary on June 13, 2018, 03:30:09 PM
Yes. No orgins, found footage, or 3D. Just a back to basic, 80s referential and/or years later kinda thing. They should totally base it off aspects of the game since that's technically the newest generation of fans (and their peers would be the new target demographics).

They need to review the scenes/characters of the series and take note on the classic shots/scenes/situations and cover them. The first scene could be a group of partiers around a campfire or fireplace discussing the legend, and rather than drag for 70 minutes, it should open with a bang with Jason busting threw the door/onto the scene, hacking like mad (catch audience off guard)...and of course, have a character react just like "Chad" from the game (especially that facial expression)...and Jason kills them all this time...and it's just the opening of the film, proper.

It could be a film of anthology tales around the campfire of encounters/legends/etc of encounters with Jason and/or even his mom. Could be a story about the years later of all the previous survivors. Maybe Ginny is not only a child psychologist, but at this point, she'd probably admin the entire mental ward of survivors (and or psychics from 7 and 8 if they wanted to go the special powers route, which I would hope they wouldn't).

There needs to be a campfire/fireplace retelling in the intro (and way better than the 2009 crap story), a car break down scene, and outhouse scene, a barn, a canoe/docks scene, a game of strip poker, a prankster, the return of Tommy, ineffectual cop(s), 80s clothes/hair/music, a body thrown through a window, shots of a cat all movie (but don't do the cat jump scare this time), and maybe some crazy twist at the end where Ginny turned heel (evil) and traumatized these patients further by sending them back to Crystal Lake for cathartic healing, heh. Unsure how the end chase could go down, but it needs to highlight/encapsulate all the best parts of previous chase downs (needs to be a chop through door scene for sure). Need to have final confrontation on the beach again. Also, need to show Jason's shack again. Could use atmosphere from 3 (but not the score, at least until the credits).

Unfortunately, due to the legal mumbo jumbo/case going on with one of the original script writers, there won't be any new movie until rights are settled. In fact, the game has just released a statement that, due to this reason, they cannot release any more new downloadable game content, which really stinks.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: FatFreddysCat on June 14, 2018, 10:16:04 AM
I agree with pretty much all your assessments there, except for Part 8 which is one of my faves, and Freddy vs Jason which I can't stand!

FatFreddysCat did a nice little write up on Part 7 in his blog the other day (which actually inspired this thread, I forgot to say.)

https://reelrundown.com/movies/Friday-the-13th-Part-VII-The-New-Blood-1988

Hey, thanx!  Glad you liked it. :thumbup:


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: zombie no.one on June 14, 2018, 02:50:13 PM
no probs! - that was me in the comments too...


It could be a film of anthology tales around the campfire of encounters/legends/etc of encounters with Jason and/or even his mom.

like the anthology idea...lends itself to horror well usually. need to check out this F13 game you've written about, not played many video games since the original playstation was big though



Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: clockworkcanary on June 15, 2018, 12:30:12 PM
My opinions on each in the series:

F1: Great Savanni kills/effects, great atmosphere/setting, and great final act/last scare. Pacing issues, not that original (apes Psycho, Halloween, and Carrie), only one character who really develops at all. Epic score.

F2: The Boy from the lake gimmick. Leaner and meaner. Better atmosphere. Better characters. Best Final Girl. Best Chase. Good Final Jump. Kills lack the effects of 1, though. My favorite of the series because of Ginny, Jason's backstory, and an awesome chase/psych-out at the end. Enhancements on epic score.

F3: The 3D gimmick. Sooo dull and lazy. Cool atmosphere and some good characters. Jason with hockey mask is iconic, though. Weird Jason flashbacks and decent chase. One of the worst Final Girls. Terrible Thriller-rip off intro score, but rest of movie score is decent.

F4: Jason's dead gimmick. My favorite of the Hockey Mask era. Great characters/relationships, great recap in the intro, great and grimy atmosphere. Savanni effects/kills are back and kickass. Final conflict is outstanding and last reveal is a great setup (although never followed through).

F5: The carry-the-torch gimmick (or is it?): The insane one. Hated it as a kid, but love it as an adult. Pure sleaze, but entertaining and often even funny. High kill and boob count. Cheaper, though. Nonsense conflict and BS ending/setup. Loved Tommy's MMA skills. Great/outrageous characters, especially Ethyl.

F6: The zombie gimmick. The MTV rock video. A few good characters plus a lot of unmemorable ones. Goofy and hokey in parts. Tommy lost his fight skills. Full of old school references and gags. Story is ultimately boring. Too many full on shots of Jason in the daylight. Score is even hokey.

F7: The psychic gimmick. Off the rails again. Aping success of recent Dream Warriors box office, we're introduced to a psychic for a showdown. Dreadful secondary characters and boring plot. Great recap intro by Ralph. Best looking effects for Zombie Jason era. Nonsense climax and even worse of an ending. Dark Ambient intro score is out of place, but still epic.

F8: NYC Gimmick. Boat ride to Vancouver. Marketed poorly/incorrectly. Boat was/could have been a good/better atmosphere. More vile secondary characters and some go-nowhere side plots. Kills ape Freddy's a bit. Terrible intro retelling. Horrible and nonsensical climax, Jason talk-whines, and melts. One of my lesser favs.

F9: a complete abomination with a family Halloween aping, a friggin magic dagger, and a "new" retro backstory (not just a mountain man killer but something greater, such as a body-jumping sperm demon). Terrible characters (except the Duke) and POS story, worse climax, but nice touch of a final shot. Buck Rogers chick is awesome; Jason man-shaving, driving, and talking are not awesome. If you'll notice, about this time in horror, all of the major franchises did something similar with conspiracy theories or some greater revelation (what I call the X-Files effect): Halloween had the Thorn cult; Elm Street had the genie-out-of-the bottle thing in New Nightmare; and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre had the friggin Illuminati, of all things. Anyway, Part 9 is the worst of the soundtracks/scores.

P10: Jason in space is like a what-if comic that apes about everything, yet is still somehow entertaining. Great cameo, action-packed intro, and ridiculous space clothes. Kay-Em mugs it for the camera and it's hilarious. The effects are sub sci-fi channel, there are several groan lines, and Jason gets humped into orbit at the climax. Also the soundtrack sucks.

P11: FvJ: one of the funnest Freddy movies with Jason cameos. A great/fun watch and how a "what if" comic book version should be. Jason portrayal was quite different, though (more Frankensteiny) and no Kane Hodder made it suffer.

F12: 2009: Remake. Dropped the ball on this one, big time. Kills are more brutal, but most are off screen and or just the same stab. Characters are better and Jason is menacing as F. Summary of 2, 3, and 4, basically. Running was fine; traps were fine; bells were not fine; and tunnels were unnecessary. So many lost opportunities, though. Boring chase and disappointing finale.

Fan-made: Never Sleep Again: a fan made found footage of a single guy hiking through Camp Crystal Lake. Much of it is a series of chasedowns and it's actually better than you would think (better than 8 and 9, for sure).


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: zombie no.one on June 15, 2018, 12:44:55 PM
cool, interesting to read different takes on the series... I want to see Part 2 again, must be nearly 10 years since I last saw it.

btw I picked up the arrow blu ray of THE BURNING the other week, in the extras Tom Savini (who these days literally looks about 5 years older than his 1981 self) explains how he turned down F13 Pt2 to do the burning instead...


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: RCMerchant on June 15, 2018, 12:52:57 PM
cool, interesting to read different takes on the series... I want to see Part 2 again, must be nearly 10 years since I last saw it.

btw I picked up the arrow blu ray of THE BURNING the other week, in the extras Tom Savini (who these days literally looks about 5 years older than his 1981 self) explains how he turned down F13 Pt2 to do the burning instead...
The BURNING is what F13 could have been. The BURNING is fantastic!


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: zombie no.one on June 15, 2018, 01:22:28 PM
yes it's a good'un. not sure where I'd place it in my top slashers list but it would be up there somewhere...


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Paquita on June 26, 2018, 04:13:06 PM
I’ve never been a huge fan of the Friday the 13th series.  I’ve seen them all except maybe the last one, but they’ve never done much for me.  If they’re on TV I’ll watch them.  I always favored Nightmare on Elm Street and felt like that means I can’t get too into F13. 

I like to joke that Jason is chasing the Muppets…. Muppets take Manhattan and Muppets from Space came out a few years before Jason takes Manhattan and then he goes to space in Jason X.. I know, I’m hilarious.  Maybe Jason can go to Treasure Island?

I like the scrapped idea of tying the Friday the 13th TV series to the movies where Jason’s mask was supposed to have been one of the cursed objects from the antique shop.



Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: zombie no.one on June 26, 2018, 06:12:21 PM
not heard of that plotline before but I suppose it would be an interesting idea...

I'd never even heard of the F13 tv series until I saw that Crystal Lake memories doc last year. definitely not something I ever remember being show on tv here at any point.


Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: clockworkcanary on July 02, 2018, 06:26:52 AM
Like Freddy's Nightmares, F13 the TV series was crap. Excellent marketing, though, using the coattails/famous name of a more famous series to get your show over. All I can really remember is the devil-possessed cursed artifact shop and a hot redhead.  I remember hoping every week that Jason would show up, but in retrospect, I'm glad they didn't go with the cursed hockey mask, although that's not as bad as the explanation/origin backstory from part 9 -eeeh gads!



Title: Re: do we need a new friday 13th?
Post by: Chainsawmidget on July 04, 2018, 08:36:50 PM
Did anyone here ever read the Jason vs Leatherface comics? 

Or the Jason vs Freddy vs Ash stuff?