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I'm watching "the last Jedi" for the first time. This movie is SH-T! And NO! It is NOT because of "SJWs", "empowered females" or any other MRA bullXXXX. It's because it has sh-tty stupid ridiculously incompetent villains commanding fleets, ships running out of fuel that has never been mentioned before in 7 movies, Leia surviving in a ridiculous fashion when she should have died because Carrie fisher is dead, absolutely inane space battles and tactics that should have been used long ago if they were so effective.

THIS MOVIE WAS TRASH!

Well, it's an endless dragged out franchise since 1977! Whatta ya want?  :question:

I like the first three movies.  They're stupid fun, like playing with toys.  BUT, gimme a break.  Enough o' this shart.  I don't know why people give a sh!t.  It's like Harry Potter.  Zip it.

I never liked it from day one. I knew even as a teenager- this was just cool special effects. By 1977- I expected more from my science fiction. f**k man, I saw PLANET OF THE APES and 2001 in '67 and '69. This s**t wasn't fooling me.
Plus I seen the ANDROMEDA STRAIN, the CRAZIES, and all sortsa good s**t on TV.
STAR WARS is about as interesting to me as BATTLESTAR GALACTICA- which I hated as well.

I liked SPACE:1999!

The first movie was just meant to be a good movie. But it became s legend, and they've tried to make every movie since then a grand epic legendary movie instead of just making a good movie.

Hell, Vader and kenobi fought in a corridor. Now whenever there's a ligtsaber fight it as to be in a grand epic setting. Seriously, compare the fight between Vader and Kenobi to the obe between luke and kylo....

If i must say something good about this...

After basically xxxxing on luke  Skywalker for a long time, they gave him a good sendoff.

BTW, if you want good star wars stories, read the "Heir to the empire" series by timothy zhan.

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So get out of the thread already!!!!

No- because this is BAD MOVIES and I think this is a BAD MOVIE!
I mean- I can't post inna a thread if I hate a movie?
Well, f**k!  :buggedout:
That's a new one by me!

I liked it.  It wasn't perfect by any means, but I thought it was fun. 

I especially loved Luke's standoff at the end. 

My entertainment threshold must be fairly low or something.  I have enjoyed all of the new SW movies, even SOLO which didn't do well at the box office.
For the record, I went to see the first one in 1977 with my then-girlfriend at the movie theater.  Since then we have seen every single STAR WARS film in the theater together, most of them on opening night.

Oh, and we got married too.
But not at the movie theater.

But you did get married in full Star Wars costume though right?

Really, tho, to go thru 7 movies in a 3 trilogy set without mentioning fuel once and in the 8th to make it the centerpiece of the movie was just the opposite of a deus ex machina. it was pulling a problem out of nowhere that had no previous mention.

AND ALSO, if the rebel fleet was losing shiups one by one but their captains were rmaining on them to the end, why not evac one then have it hyperjump into the big bad ship and save others?

Oh, to be fair, some people criticized the movie because they said luke's hand went with him when he faded out and should not have anymore than his clothes did. To be fair they did not show his hand go with him and it may have been left behind like his clothes so that was a bogus attack.

I thought it was one of the best Star Wars films to date -close to if not as good as Empire.

I know I'm in the minority.

I liked it. Would watch again. I guess I'm easily amused. (shrugs)

The late 90s/early 00s prequels sucked tho.  :teddyr:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on it regardless of what other people think. Good for you on not following the crowd.

Unless you like the prequels. In which case you should be subjected to long, slow and painful torture.

The 1st movie would've been larger, grander, and more confusing, if Lucas had the tech & money in the 70's.

This movie was an ok remake of Mission Galactica: The Cylon Attack, with a few bits of Empire Strikes Back thrown in so it felt like Star Wars.

If Lucas was allowed to do everything he wanted in the first movie ... well, we probably still would be here talking about it on BadMovies, but it wouldn't be regarded as near the classic it turned into. 

I've read his early scripts. 

Most of the stuff people talk about as being horrible in the prequels were present in his original ideas.  It's just that back then, there were people there to stop him.

Everyone has the right to their own opinions of movies. I don't rip on people who like the last jedi. I do get a little tired of the "Star wars taken over by SJW feminist nazis!" crap and tend to ignore those people.

Hehe. If they kept only the scenes with Palpidius and Count Dooku, it might have been passable, but otherwise, the prequels were mostly painful.

Count Dooku... as much as I love Christopher Lee, I can't understand the concept behind this character at all. 

The movies go out of their way to establish that there can only be two Sith, a master and an apprentice.  Darth maul gets killed in the first movie so the next Sith and the new apprentice is a 90 year old man?  How long as this guy been waiting to become a Sith?  What was he doing in the meantime? 

Are there only two Sith at a time?  Or do they simply operate in pairs?  :question:

There's a great plot line they could have established so easily that did not happen; Dooku, a Jedi, starts thinking that they are too Dogmatic and starts to break free. Make him that rogue cop type that plays by his own rules, technically breaking the law to get the bad guys who just takes things too far. Make Palpy manipulate the story so that it seems like Dooku is completely off reservation and via circumstances Anakin ends up killing him which sets him on the path to the Dark Side.

Plot wise you have a sympathetic villain who has some clear motivations: sees the problems with the Jedi's strict style and using the power he has tries to fix problems the wrong way. It sets up a path for Anakin as it gives him a connection to this idea, so it's not just a 'oh and now he's a bad guy all of a sudden'. Instead you get a few throwaway lines discussing the idea, but mostly villainous pastiche which completely undercuts the fact that Dooku has a (somewhat) moral code underneath it all.

Remember, the Dark Side can apparently extend life...

That makes it even worse.  That means there's no telling how long he was waiting for a job opening!

My nine year old nephew enjoyed it very much, me too - we saw it in IMAX and 3D - he also laughed so much when Luke dusted himself off after being shot at, I thought he was going to fall out of his seat.  :teddyr: :teddyr:

You could tell Lucas pulled Dooku out of his arse, else we would have had some cool scenes in TPM where it showed him struggling with the Jedi dogma, with Kenobi taking on Anakin as his apprentice being the final straw (or something similar). He nor Syphodias were not even mentioned. I'm sure there's an EU book about all of this lol. Some interactions between Qui-Gonn and Dooku before his departure would have sown the seeds.

I could see Palpidius taking joy in corrupting a Master Jedi like that, not only serving his ends, but as a personal revenge towards Yoda, taking one of his most powerful students.

From experience I can tell you that if you grab your significant others boob, and do a ventriloquist's act with it using the voice of Jar Jar Binks you will not be having sex that night.

Or possibly for the next week.

Indy, I tried your advice last night. Didn't work.  :question:

Well... your significant other has a really weird turn-on.  Now you know.  Now we all know.   

I know, totally right? I mean what kind of person doesn't get turned on by Jar Jar?