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Title: the Death Penalty
Post by: RCMerchant on August 08, 2018, 08:55:02 PM
Personally- I'm for it.
I was reading Dark Alex's post about a guy who tortured and killed a baby.
They let him out!
The should have killed that mad dog the day after his conviction.

I don't give a f**k about how insane you are or if you had a rotton childhood.
Ya wanna kill people? Then be ready to die yourself.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: El Misfit on August 08, 2018, 09:34:26 PM
It's a case by case scenario. The one you mentioned should have been killed, however there have been mistakes in the past where the law has accidentally killed an innocent man wrongfully convicted. My stance? I'm for it, if only it'll get me out of jury duty.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 08, 2018, 09:41:24 PM
In one of those Scandinavian countries where the kookoo killed all of these young people at an island camp... I think lives still with an absurd prison sentence.  I block this sh!t out.  But, kill all these people with a gun admit it and NOT get hanged?   :thumbdown:  Bullsh!t.  Hang the fncker.  I'm for it. 


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: indianasmith on August 08, 2018, 10:02:04 PM
I support the death penalty, however, I also believe that the accused should be given every opportunity to prove his innocence, and access to all the necessary technology, DNA tests, whatever.   Sometimes there are mitigating circumstances - an abused woman finally turns on her tormentor; a beaten child grabs their abuser's gun, or something like that.

But for those who simply take human life out of sheer cruelty, or callous indifference . . . they forfeit their right to breathe IMO.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: RCMerchant on August 08, 2018, 10:04:47 PM
  Sometimes there are mitigating circumstances - an abused woman finally turns on her tormentor; a beaten child grabs their abuser's gun, or something like that.




That ain't murder- that's self defense.

And folks like that don't usually end up om Death Row.

Do I feel sorry for Aileen Wurnous because of her rotton life?
Yes I do. Like her, I'm poor white trash from Michigan hillbilly country too. I know how hard it is.
Do I think she needed to die?
Yes I do.

If I ever go nuts and kill people for stupid reasons- I would hope you shot me like a rabid dog.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 08, 2018, 10:23:40 PM
Yes,m.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: RCMerchant on August 08, 2018, 10:50:25 PM
My brother in law, Leroy, shot a guy in the back.With the mother of my kids. And it was her idea to kill him. While he guy was drunk. In the back.
I ain't talked to LeRoy since. f**k him. He's in prison.
He f**ked my kids heads up. They loved Uncle Leroy.
I think they should killed LeRoy.
Steve was a drunk, but he wasn't a bad guy- just an old drunk. My ex-first wife's boyfreind.
They killed him (Gail and LeRoy) because they had robbed him while he was in jail for some dumb drunk s**t.  They stole a karoke machine and some other dumb bulls**t while he was in for 30 days. They wanted to store it in my shed!  Hellno!
He was gonna have them busted.
I just got done picking my kids up from her apartment before the murder happened. The State cops came to my house first looking for him. He DID come to my house after the murder. I told him to get the f**k out and run like hell. He did-about 20 miles into Bangor-then he went to a phone booth and gave himself up. In the meantime- the cops DID come to my house- had a f**king squad of State boys wake up my kids- surround my house with guns- and lay me down at gunpoint and scream at me "Where's Leroy?!?!" I told them the truth-  I dunno! He was here-I told him to get the f**k out!
Cops left.
Think I'm bulls**tting you?

https://www.heraldpalladium.com/localnews/wons-convicted-of-murder/article_a21f3b0f-d2eb-51b0-b782-3ac1b300a7db.html (https://www.heraldpalladium.com/localnews/wons-convicted-of-murder/article_a21f3b0f-d2eb-51b0-b782-3ac1b300a7db.html)


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: RCMerchant on August 08, 2018, 11:22:45 PM
I'm sorry if I went all crazy, but Leroy just sent me a letter and a photo- he looks like a skeleton. He want's me to write him. I think I should.
And tell him to go f**k himself. I grew up just as poor in the same place as him. I don't rob and kill people.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: RCMerchant on August 09, 2018, 12:56:02 AM
Dam. I had to post the real story of that murder. They never called me to court. LeRoy took the rap for his sister. It was planned. I knew it afterwords.
 Because LeRoy told me. Like 10 minutes after he killed him. When he ran into my house right after he dumped the gun. But they never called me to court. Because Leroy took the fall and pled guilty.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: The Burgomaster on August 09, 2018, 06:05:18 AM
I'm in favor of the death penalty. And they need to get rid of all the bulls**t delays. It's common to see people on death row for 12, 15, 18 years or more as their appeals go through the legal system. I think everyone should have a right to appeal, but the process needs to happen faster. Maybe 5 years and that's it.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on August 09, 2018, 06:37:52 AM
In one of those Scandinavian countries where the kookoo killed all of these young people at an island camp... I think lives still with an absurd prison sentence.  I block this sh!t out.  But, kill all these people with a gun admit it and NOT get hanged?   :thumbdown:  Bullsh!t.  Hang the fncker.  I'm for it.  

OK technically he got a 21 year sentence which is the longest sentence anyone in that country can get for any crime.  Yes,  truth.

But!

That country allows a review at the end if a sentence that can determine if the doer is a danger to society and keep him incarcerated past his sentence. This guy will die in prison,  bet on it.  

BTW,  he considered liberalism and feminism to be attacks on European culture and the white race,  and bragged about killing the next generation of liberal leaders.  While  in prison he converted to Nazism.

For this who don't know who you speak of...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

He's got a cell like a high cost college dorm room,  a video game console,  menus,  a computer sans net access,  Jesus,  people in America get sent to hell for minor offences and this guy is living like a sultan in comparison....


Back OT,  I oppose the death penalty in America.  Our court system is just to on corrupt and incompetent to be given that power.




Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 09, 2018, 10:21:16 AM
In one of those Scandinavian countries where the kookoo killed all of these young people at an island camp... I think lives still with an absurd prison sentence.  I block this sh!t out.  But, kill all these people with a gun admit it and NOT get hanged?   :thumbdown:  Bullsh!t.  Hang the fncker.  I'm for it.  
OK technically he got a 21 year sentence which is the longest sentence anyone in that country can get for any crime.  Yes,  truth.
...
Yes, it's ridiculous.   


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: Alex on August 09, 2018, 11:03:30 AM
I would like the death penalty for crimes certain crimes, however no matter how strict the burden of evidence there is always going to be the occasional miscarriage of justice. The question then for me is what is an acceptable error rate? How many innocent people can die per 100 guilty ones?

Some folks just plain need killing, but imagine yourself wrongly accused and facing the death penalty.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: RCMerchant on August 09, 2018, 01:27:36 PM
I would like the death penalty for crimes certain crimes, however no matter how strict the burden of evidence there is always going to be the occasional miscarriage of justice. The question then for me is what is an acceptable error rate? How many innocent people can die per 100 guilty ones?

Some folks just plain need killing, but imagine yourself wrongly accused and facing the death penalty.

In any system- someone is gonna get f**ked.
It's impossible to stop.
It's never gonna be strawberries and cream.  :bluesad:
On the other hand- how many people get away with murder just because they had a high-priced lawyer?
 (O.J. anyone?)
I reckon you take the good with the bad on anyside of the aisle.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on August 09, 2018, 02:12:26 PM
In one of those Scandinavian countries where the kookoo killed all of these young people at an island camp... I think lives still with an absurd prison sentence.  I block this sh!t out.  But, kill all these people with a gun admit it and NOT get hanged?   :thumbdown:  Bullsh!t.  Hang the fncker.  I'm for it.  
OK technically he got a 21 year sentence which is the longest sentence anyone in that country can get for any crime.  Yes,  truth.
...
Yes, it's ridiculous.    

Well,  Americans can't talk about other countries prison sentences.  A 15 year old black kid in Al uh bam uh,  naturally,  was just sentenced to 65 years in prison after a white cop shot some one he was with.  The cop was acquitted, the kid was convicted of first degree murder and a slew of other charges and given back to back sentences.  Total 65 years.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lakeith-smith-adonte-washington-sentence-murder_us_5ac8df6de4b09d0a11943ba4 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lakeith-smith-adonte-washington-sentence-murder_us_5ac8df6de4b09d0a11943ba4)


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: RCMerchant on August 09, 2018, 02:31:41 PM
In one of those Scandinavian countries where the kookoo killed all of these young people at an island camp... I think lives still with an absurd prison sentence.  I block this sh!t out.  But, kill all these people with a gun admit it and NOT get hanged?   :thumbdown:  Bullsh!t.  Hang the fncker.  I'm for it.  
OK technically he got a 21 year sentence which is the longest sentence anyone in that country can get for any crime.  Yes,  truth.
...
Yes, it's ridiculous.    

Well,  Americans can't talk about other countries prison sentences.  A 15 year old black kid in Al uh bam uh,  naturally,  was just sentenced to 65 years in prison after a white cop shot some one he was with.  The cop was acquitted, the kid was convicted of first degree murder and a slew of other charges and given back to back sentences.  Total 65 years.

I don't know the partitulars of that case, so I can's really comment on it. But I will anyway.
Do I think a 15 year old kid should get 65 years? Of course I don't. Will he do 65 years? No. If he's good in prison. Will prison make him a better person? NO.
I don't think a 15 year old kid should go to prison for the rest of his life, unless he tortured somebody and drank they're blood.
Like that kid in Canada.
This kid was 14- he killed a 7 year old. and ate him



 
 
Classification: Homicide
Characteristics: Juvenile (14) - Cut and cooked strips of flesh and fat from the boy's body in a ritual he said was inspired by the horror movie Warlock
Number of victims: 1
Date of murder: July 8, 1995
Date of birth: 1980
Victim profile: Johnathan George Thimpsen, 7
Method of murder: Stabbing with knife - Beating with a beer bottle and a rock
Location: La Ronge, Northern Saskatchewan, Canada
Status: Found not guilty by reason of insanity on August 2, 1996. Transferred to psychiatric hospital
"After watching the movie Warlock 10 times, 14-year-old Sandy Charles of Saskatchewan killed an eight-year-old boy by stabbing him with a knife and then beating him with a beer bottle and a rock. After killing the boy, Charles cut strips of skin from his victim and boiled them down. Warlock claimed that if you drank boiled-down fat from a virgin, it would give you the power to fly. Charles wanted to fly."

Yup. Welcome to the real world. People are gonna get fvcked.
My point is... I don't know the answer. I just don't fvcking know.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on August 09, 2018, 05:25:18 PM
In one of those Scandinavian countries where the kookoo killed all of these young people at an island camp... I think lives still with an absurd prison sentence.  I block this sh!t out.  But, kill all these people with a gun admit it and NOT get hanged?   :thumbdown:  Bullsh!t.  Hang the fncker.  I'm for it.  
OK technically he got a 21 year sentence which is the longest sentence anyone in that country can get for any crime.  Yes,  truth.
...
Yes, it's ridiculous.    

Well,  Americans can't talk about other countries prison sentences.  A 15 year old black kid in Al uh bam uh,  naturally,  was just sentenced to 65 years in prison after a white cop shot some one he was with.  The cop was acquitted, the kid was convicted of first degree murder and a slew of other charges and given back to back sentences.  Total 65 years.

I don't know the partitulars of that case, so I can's really comment on it. But I will anyway.
Do I think a 15 year old kid should get 65 years? Of course I don't. Will he do 65 years? No. If he's good in prison. Will prison make him a better person? NO.


Dis you read the article?  The DA bragged how happy he was with the sentence and that this kid wouldn't even become eligible for parole for at least 25 years.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: Pacman000 on August 09, 2018, 05:40:21 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/04/05/teen-accomplice-sentenced-65-years/492001002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/04/05/teen-accomplice-sentenced-65-years/492001002/)

You forgot to link to the article, Sven.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: El Misfit on August 09, 2018, 06:44:57 PM
There's a huge problem with the Justice System, and in particular prisons. Prisons where I live (and I'm guessing the same thing in the Alabama case, correct me if I'm wrong) are privatized jails that only cares about making money, instead of getting the extremely violent criminals off of the streets. There was a case here where someone with a bag of weed was going to get life in prison, at least from the DA. Yes, the DA wanted to give a guy life just for having a bag of weed on him. You can see why I want to burn down everything and start rebuilding. We do it where we make a person, say the DA I mentioned, watch  clips of himself saying the things over and over, and ask him if he's really going to be that guy to throw another person's life away because of weed.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 09, 2018, 09:14:23 PM
About 40 years ago TIME magazine published a letter I wrote to the editor; it was in response to a story about the prison sentencing of DAN WHITE which happened the same week as the execution of JOHN SPENKELINK in Florida.  In both cases, and though I was very young, it seemed apparent to me that these were a polarized miscarriage of justice.  

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/JohnSpenkelink.jpg)


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: RCMerchant on August 09, 2018, 09:39:44 PM
Our prison system is biased for sure.
If you got money-your out.
If they just plain don't like the way you look-then your f**ked.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: RCMerchant on August 09, 2018, 09:42:03 PM
About 40 years ago TIME magazine published a letter I wrote to the editor; it was in response to a story about the prison sentencing of DAN WHITE which happened the same week as the execution of JOHN SPENKELINK in Florida.  In both cases, and though I was very young, it seemed apparent to me that these were a polarized miscarriage of justice.  

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/JohnSpenkelink.jpg)

I looked that up.
That's f**ked up.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: Allhallowsday on August 09, 2018, 09:44:04 PM
DAN WHITE was the one who shot and murdered the mayor of San Francisco GEORGE MOSCONE and city councilman HARVEY MILK.  He served a brief sentence for two murders, on the strength of the "twinkie defense". 

JOHN SPENKELINK was the second person executed in the U.S. after GARY GILMORE and restoration of the Death Penalty. 


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: RCMerchant on August 09, 2018, 09:47:59 PM
DAN WHITE was the one who shot and murdered the mayor of San Francisco GEORGE MOSCONE and city councilman HARVEY MILK.  He served a brief sentence for two murders, on the strength of the "twinkie defense". 

JOHN SPENKELINK was the second person executed in the U.S. after GARY GILMORE and restoration of the Death Penalty. 

I knew who Dan White was. The Dead Kennedys got a song about him..
I didn't know about the other guy, though.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on August 09, 2018, 10:27:01 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/04/05/teen-accomplice-sentenced-65-years/492001002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/04/05/teen-accomplice-sentenced-65-years/492001002/)

You forgot to link to the article, Sven.

The hell I did!  This board might have. Lost it but in looked it up and posted it. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lakeith-smith-adonte-washington-sentence-murder_us_5ac8df6de4b09d0a11943ba4 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lakeith-smith-adonte-washington-sentence-murder_us_5ac8df6de4b09d0a11943ba4)


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: RCMerchant on August 09, 2018, 11:36:52 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/04/05/teen-accomplice-sentenced-65-years/492001002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/04/05/teen-accomplice-sentenced-65-years/492001002/)

You forgot to link to the article, Sven.

The hell I did!  This board might have. Lost it but in looked it up and posted it. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lakeith-smith-adonte-washington-sentence-murder_us_5ac8df6de4b09d0a11943ba4 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lakeith-smith-adonte-washington-sentence-murder_us_5ac8df6de4b09d0a11943ba4)

Naw-you didn't post it.
You been smokin'?  :question:


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on August 10, 2018, 06:51:51 PM
No I remembered searching for a link to a non right wing media source.


Title: Re: the Death Penalty
Post by: Rev. Powell on August 11, 2018, 01:23:57 PM
Against. Because it's irreversible. Innocent people have been put to death, and it's not worth it.