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Title: They Shall Not Grow Old
Post by: ER on November 27, 2018, 04:21:56 PM
Peter Jackson's WW I film looks beyond amazing. I can't believe something like this has been made.


Title: Re: They Shall Not Grow Old
Post by: indianasmith on November 27, 2018, 05:47:30 PM
I've been watching the trailers; can't wait to see it!


Title: Re: They Shall Not Grow Old
Post by: Trevor on November 28, 2018, 01:41:12 AM
I have two problems with this film.

First of all, the title should read They Shall Grow Not Old from the Lawrence Binyon poem. Minor quibble.

As a film archivist, most importantly if a film is black and white, leave it like that! Digitize it, yes, clean it up, yes, preserve it, yes but don't colorize it! It looks terrible and more importantly, it is fake.

How did Sir Peter Jackson know what colour the soldiers' uniforms and other things were?

If a film's colour is fading, by all means restore the colour especially if you don't have any film masters.

Anyone seen the colorized version of Casablanca? Yuk.  :tongueout:


Title: Re: They Shall Not Grow Old
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on November 28, 2018, 07:50:26 AM
I have two problems with this film.

First of all, the title should read They Shall Grow Not Old from the Lawrence Binyon poem. Minor quibble.

As a film archivist, most importantly if a film is black and white, leave it like that! Digitize it, yes, clean it up, yes, preserve it, yes but don't colorize it! It looks terrible and more importantly, it is fake.

How did Sir Peter Jackson know what colour the soldiers' uniforms and other things were?

One good possibility is they consulted military manuals of the day that specified colors and such.  Not being a snark here,  but if I had to do something like that I think i'd start that way. Museums might be another source.  Color paintings too.


Title: Re: They Shall Not Grow Old
Post by: Trevor on November 28, 2018, 08:47:23 AM
I have two problems with this film.

First of all, the title should read They Shall Grow Not Old from the Lawrence Binyon poem. Minor quibble.

As a film archivist, most importantly if a film is black and white, leave it like that! Digitize it, yes, clean it up, yes, preserve it, yes but don't colorize it! It looks terrible and more importantly, it is fake.

How did Sir Peter Jackson know what colour the soldiers' uniforms and other things were?

One good possibility is they consulted military manuals of the day that specified colors and such.  Not being a snark here,  but if I had to do something like that I think i'd start that way. Museums might be another source.  Color paintings too.

I didn't think of that.

I know my review is a bit harsh but as a film archivist, colorizing footage is the worst thing you can do with an archival film.


Title: Re: They Shall Not Grow Old
Post by: RCMerchant on November 28, 2018, 08:09:59 PM
I have two problems with this film.

First of all, the title should read They Shall Grow Not Old from the Lawrence Binyon poem. Minor quibble.

As a film archivist, most importantly if a film is black and white, leave it like that! Digitize it, yes, clean it up, yes, preserve it, yes but don't colorize it! It looks terrible and more importantly, it is fake.

How did Sir Peter Jackson know what colour the soldiers' uniforms and other things were?

One good possibility is they consulted military manuals of the day that specified colors and such.  Not being a snark here,  but if I had to do something like that I think i'd start that way. Museums might be another source.  Color paintings too.

I didn't think of that.

I know my review is a bit harsh but as a film archivist, colorizing footage is the worst thing you can do with an archival film.

I gotta go with Trevor on this. Colorizing an old film is like painting an antique wood chair.
And Trevor got it right. It's faked, in a way. Because-
For example! I've watched (badly) colorized old 3 Stooges and Laurel and Hardy shorts.
I'm thinking "how do they know wtf color hat guys pants were? Or that sign on the building?".
Plus, ah- it's like painting over a Da Vinci so the cracks don't show.


Title: Re: They Shall Not Grow Old
Post by: indianasmith on November 28, 2018, 08:20:54 PM
If it is done digitally, so that the original print is not damaged, I have no issue with it.


Title: Re: They Shall Not Grow Old
Post by: RCMerchant on November 28, 2018, 08:25:47 PM
Don't get me wrong!
I most certainly want to see this movie! I'm looking forward to it.  :thumbup:


Title: Re: They Shall Not Grow Old
Post by: Trevor on November 29, 2018, 01:35:12 AM
If it is done digitally, so that the original print is not damaged, I have no issue with it.

I agree there but colorization of b/w films like in the case of Casablanca and others makes me want to puke.


Title: Re: They Shall Not Grow Old
Post by: ER on November 29, 2018, 10:34:58 PM
Alongside the visuals something that impressed me was the fact lip readers were consulted to identify what the soldiers in the footage were saying, and their words were dubbed in, letting these long gone men speak to we  in their future. This act of restoring voice to the  departed excites me almost as much as anything I might see on-screen.

The First World War obsesses me. So horrible and tragic and possibly so pointless.


Title: Re: They Shall Not Grow Old
Post by: Dark Alex on November 30, 2018, 01:55:32 AM
You should chat with Ginge. He is a fellow WW1 nerd, including dressing up in uniforms from that period and doing reenactments.


Title: Re: They Shall Not Grow Old
Post by: Trevor on November 30, 2018, 03:28:02 AM
Alongside the visuals something that impressed me was the fact lip readers were consulted to identify what the soldiers in the footage were saying, and their words were dubbed in, letting these long gone men speak to we  in their future. This act of restoring voice to the  departed excites me almost as much as anything I might see on-screen.

Adding sound in the form of sound effects and speech to a silent film is also an archival no-no. A company once did that with some of our Anglo-Boer War material: not good for business.  :thumbdown: