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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+1%3A16-19&version=HCSB (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+1%3A16-19&version=HCSB)

Nice!

One of my favorites: 

Luke 19:27 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them-bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

Definitely one you should pay attention to, Sven.

I do,  which is why I make damn sure to vote against Hardcore religious candidates. And encourage others to do the same.

You do know the things you post sound so immature people here think you're about half the age you actually are? Grow up.

Ecclesiastes 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

That time again?

Yup. As long as you keep acting like a dick it was always be time for someone to point it out.

Why don't you and ER get a room?

If we did at least we'd know what to do. Run off and watch The Forty-Year-Old Virgin, or Home Alone and let the grown-ups play.

Sigh . . . redirecting the thread to its original purpose:

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
John 1:14

This verse lies at the center of everything I believe.

I may not be in tomorrow, so I'll post this now. It's a verse I think everyone can understand and agree with, one that has often made me think about whether what's important to me deserves to be. I was moved by it even in the days when I felt there probably was no God.

Matthew 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

When I see Christians protesting against reproductive freedom I remember Psalm 137:9.

"Blessed is he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."

Wow, snappy comeback there (no, not really. I was being sardonic).

My favourite Bible quote is movie-related.

Matthew 10:36 - And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Used with great effect by the Minister in Breaker Morant as the prisoners are lead away to be shot by firing squid.

Actually .....

Remember, "blessed" means happy, not to receive a blessing. It's archaic 17th century speech.

The writer was consoling himself that the days of the Babylonians, who were holding the Jewish people captive at that time and who were notoriously cruel, were numbered and soon the Persians would conquer the Babylonians and free the Jews. Much as we saw in the conquest of Nazi Germany, the Persians took brutal revenge on the Babylonians, including, apparently, 'happily' killing their children as described.  To say, "Hey, you lot are soon going to face terrible times" is not the same thing as saying G-d will bless you for slaying babies.

That's debatable. 

Luke 6:31 "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

World-changing advice often found elsewhere.

Hillel the Elder, who died in Jerusalem about the time Jesus was entering adulthood, advised his students: "That which is hateful unto you inflict not upon another. That is the entirety of the Torah, the rest but explanation; go and learn."

Confucius 'is said' to have put it: "That which you desire not for yourself inflict not upon others."

So simple yet so difficult.

What I love about that verse is how Jesus flipped it from a negative to a positive.
Instead of refraining from doing to others that which we don't want done to us, he challenged us to DO for others as we wished they would do for us.
Simple words that can still change the world when applied.

One more from me for tonight:
"Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made."  John 1:3

Ian Charleson's quote from Chariots of Fire


 :smile:

Wisdom 1:13 "For God did not make Death, he takes no pleasure in destroying the living."

Numbers 31:17-18

17So now, kill all the boys, and kill every woman who has had relations with a man, 18but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man.…

From the first SA zombie movie Ride The High Wind:


Proverbs 21:7

Great to see you reading the Good Book, Sven!  Every bit counts. There's hope for you yet. :thumbup:

He's not; he's skimming for verses which will make Jews and Christians look bad. Doesn't matter if he has to take them out of context to do so.  :bluesad:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19%3A8-9&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19%3A8-9&version=NKJV)

Yeah, like no one saw that coming, huh? But maybe the good parts will rub off on him.

I read the Bible when I was in jail in the hole. Twice! I  thought it was very contradictory. Before I actually read it, I DID believe, and was scared of, God. (I never believed in Satan). I had to go to holy roller church every Sunday (of course my Dad and Mary Jo never went). Those people are crazy. Speaking in tongues and s**t. The old lady, nice old gal, who usta drive us there, was fine on the way there, but on the way back she would take her hands off the steering wheel and say s**t like "Jesus will take us home!" :buggedout: Ah. Coulda been worse. At least they didn't f**k with snakes.
I like Revelations-! That's like a scary horror/sci-fi movie!  :thumbup:
I got nothing against Church, it's just not for me.

I enjoyed the Tao. I didn't read it all, but my brother Richie was really into it and would read and show stuff to me. He had these stones or something that had symbols on them-I don't know alot about it...but it was interesting. Really mystical.

The church has blown it, over and over, in terms of mirroring God to people very well.   Not always, and not throughout history all the time.  But yes, the church has blown it in many ways.

People are going to show up in a  thread like this to troll.    They are prisoners in the enemy's camp, not enemies themselves.

"Whatever is has already been, and what will be has gone before, and God will call the past to account." Ecclesiastes 3:15

This might be my own favorite: 


John 19:41

At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid.

Ecclesiastes 1:2 "Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity."

I loved Ecclesiastes even when I was young and ungiven to recognizing the worth of the Bible.

Exodus 20:5  You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on their children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me.

Good thing you're going to die childless then, Sven.

I wanted to tell you, that was profound and it gave me something to think about, so thank you.

I once heard a rabbi speaking at a graduation ceremony at Hebrew Union College who said, "Those who slander G-d are not be be reviled, only pitied, for the cage of this life contains all the joy they will ever know."

And he was right because one thing I failed to comprehend for much of my life, which I get now, is that to believe is a much better way to live. If you're totally wrong, well, you've still probably lived a happier life as a result of your conviction, and if you're right then so much the better. Finding a reason to accept God may require more effort for some people than others (like me, hard journey) but it's worth it.

Now if I could only halfway live up to my inner convictions, huh?

My two bucks worth. Hope everyone has a good day.

"Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts."

--Proverbs 31:6 (KJV)

Wow, God thought of everything. I think stoners can even cite a verse to bolster their cause. Lol  God's hip, man

"And there was no harm in the pot."

--2 Kings 4:41 (KJV)

it's terrible that you managed to pollute the genepool with your DNA.

Ah...this thread reminds me of why I love religion. It brings folks together .  :drink:

If you've noticed, only one person initiated the pollution of this thread.

I don't know. It takes 2 to tango.
Sven should just stop. I'm an atheist-but I don't have any hang-ups with folks who want to believe in whatever they want to.
On the other hand- ER should be a Christian and "Turn the other cheek" and not edge him on-just for the sake of arguement.
It goes both ways.

But what do I know? I don't believe in anything!

ER does poke back when she gets poked, I'll give you (and her) that!
But Sven really does just troll constantly.

I wouldn't call Sven a "troll" to wit. A troll is someone who makes s**t up just for the love of drama.
WyreWizard was a Troll. MetropolisForever was a Troll. Sven really, truly is serious about the s**t he says.
I don't agree with alot of it. Alot I do. But shoving it down someones throat every f**king day gets old fast.
ER...well...me and ER's interaction is public record. :drink:

Of course if he goes ape s**t and decides to bomb a federal building, like Metropolis, then I reckon I got some hat eating to do.
No offense to Sven or ER. You guys are like Cat and Dog!  :cheers:

Oh well, back to the original programming:

"Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hates you." I John 3:13

LOL...  :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: 

Mean cat.  Smelly dog.   :bouncegiggle:

All them words are GOOD.  I'd buy that for a dollar!  All kidding aside, does anybody see why I love this RC? 

Here's one of my favorites-!

"For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken. No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God." (Leviticus 21:18-21)
What is "Hath his stones broken." Does that mean your balls don't work?  :question:

 I wouldn't want them scurvy moherf**ker's around me either!

Ecclesiastes 3: 1-8 (Gee, this'd make a good song.)

1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

The book of Deuteronomy: 1No man with crushed or severed genitals may enter the assembly of the LORD. 2No one of illegitimate birth may enter the assembly of the LORD, nor may any of his descendants, even to the tenth generation. 3No Ammonite or Moabite or any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, even to the tenth generation.…

So it Is about f**ked up balls!  :buggedout:

And from the time I was only six years old
I never forgot what I was told
It was the best advice that I ever had
It came from my wise dear old dad
He said "sit down punk I wanna talk to you
And don't say a word until I'm through
Now there's a time to laugh a time to cry
A time to live and a time to die
A time to break and a time to chill
To act civilized or act real ill
But whatever ya do in your lifetime
Ya never let a MC steal your rhyme"

the Sugar Hill Gang-Rappers Delight, 1979.

After spending the last year telling us how much you hate, well, almost everything, it's nice to see you taking up for someone, Sven, so here's to your new cause, religious equality for eunuchs, and members of the extinct Ammonite and Moabite tribes!  :cheers:

I just like to expose the other side of religion. Sure we have all the nicey nicey quotes,  but we also have stuff like someone can lead a good life and dies then gets told,  "sorry,  your great to the ninth grandfather was illegitimate ,  so you  have to burn in hell forever.  Buhbye! "

Or the fact people  wearing to fabrics should be stoned to death,  or farmers growing two different crops should be stoned to death, or a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night should be stoned to death ,  etc.

Keep in mind this is a culture from over 2000 years ago. They had different needs; they valued different things, so their moral structure would be different from ours today.

Also, keep in mind that Christians generally believe Christ's sacrifice completed the Mosaic law, rendering it obsolete, so they don't have to follow it: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+15&version=NIV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+15&version=NIV)

You'll do better if you try to think of why someone might've seen the laws as just. Ask yourself questions like "What was it like 2000+ years ago?"  Or "What did people have to do to survive?" Only then can you correctly determine if the laws were right for the time, and, indeed if they still should apply, when they should apply & in what manner. Otherwise, you're being ethnocentric.

I heartily join you in being glad the last part is no longer enforced.

Think about it, though, all that s**t proves is God is such a hardass you want Jesus on your side to take the blame for the things that would otherwise get you chucked into eternal halefur and brimstone. Pretty sweet deal if you think about it, someone else getting jammed up so you don't have to? That's why I love Jesus, he is such a swell dude. I'm gonna give the man a hug someday, and if he's still a virgin, hit on him, because 2,000 years of nothing is just sad.

As for the rest, when my screen goes black:

If the Jews are right, I'll just be dead.

If science is right, I'll just be dead.

If science fiction is right, I'll take posession of an AI system someday and crash a spaceship into Pluto for kicks.

If Buddhism is right, I'll come back. Possibly in eastern Africa during a war.

If Hinduism is right I'll come back as a sacred cow, since I surely paid off a buttload of karma by enduring thirteen years of Catholic school.

If Islam is right....well, I'm fukk'd.

If Mormons are right, it may be I'll reside with a god above our own planet somewhere, because my bud Mandy is just itching to outlive me so she can proxy baptize me.

If Scientology is right, we're all doomed.

If Norse paganism is right, I could possibly get to serve mead in Valhalla, though if I wanted to be a barmaid, I could already have been one.

If Zoroastrianism is right all I have to do is walk across a razor above a pit of lava and I'm good.

If the ancient Egyptians are right, I read their book of the dead and know how to outrun crocodiles past the reeds to reach the place where your soul gets weighed against a feather, and there I may into trouble since my soul has a few, ahem, heavy parts.

If Catholicism is right, I could come out all OK eventually, but I'll be in Purgatory til Siberia turns tropical. On the flip side, I'll know almost everybody there. ("Hi, Bri, still in Purgatory, eh?" "Yeah, Evelyn, thanks to you.")

But if evangelical Christianity is right, I am soooooooo set. I mean I am in the money.

In short, I like the odds of things getting better when the day comes I get shot in the head.

You, Sven, you could be right, faith and all religions could all be so much background noise arising from people wanting comfort, even false comfort, but as they used to tell us in survival school: "Don't just have a Plan B, have a Plan Z."

Don't dwell on the bad impressions false Christians may have made on you and don't cherrypick the negative parts of scripture, find the beautiful parts and truly consider how you and you alone in your heart of hearts feel and what you want, because in the end you're the one all this affects, and it surely must get lonely, frustrating, at times saddening to stand against what almost all people who have ever lived have believed in. By that I mean some form of supernatural reality beyond the senses, a realm where something higher than us dwells, something that influences our lives and stands to reward or punish us in this existence or the next. Are so many others wrong and you're right? What about the wisdom of the crowd?

Make it be about you, man, not about how others have conducted themselves because people can and often do let others down. Hypocrites do a lot of damage out there but there's a lot of good in the Bible and I imagine there's a lot of good in you. Try reaching outward toward God and see what happens. You could be surprised. I know I was.

And if not, what have you really lost, y'know?

(Can you guys tell I had caffeine today?)

No, can't tell... you're always long winded.   :thumbup: :smile:

But not usually so energetic in my niceness.
Really, y'ever been checked for autism?

 :thumbdown: :wink:

Religion!  :smile:
Breakfast of Champions!  :cheers:

It's odd how we can post about almost anything here from politics to sex drugs and rock and roll (even sometimes movies) but it's Bible verses that make the pot boil over.

I have a relative who is not heterosexual.  Often Christians call for people like him to be exterminated.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomite_Suppression_Act (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomite_Suppression_Act)

Also when gays are murdered good Christians often take delight in it.

(https://www.wyohistory.org/sites/default/files/shepard2.jpg)

Recently  a christian politician published a guide for Christians to declare biblical based war and  murder people  like me who will not submit to their views.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/washington-state-legislator-circulates-proposal-on-exterminating-liberals (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/washington-state-legislator-circulates-proposal-on-exterminating-liberals)

But heaven forbid anyone point out the flaws and horrible parts of Christianity because "Muh relijjus freedum! "

I see the religious right fighting tooth and claw to gain power in america to force their views in the rest of us.  So I oppose them.

Excuse me all to hell and back for being against people  who's goal in life is to murder me and other members of my family. I'm just so darn selfish 

There's people who don't like a certain subject and go out of their way to provoke people. Don't lump those people with the millions/billions of other people who aren't part of that cult.

Not only are people who do that not good Christians, they're not good human beings. Nor are the gays who smear Bibles with excrement good humans either. Nor are Moslems who stone homosexuals. Two good rules to live by, Sven: do unto others as you would have them do unto you is one, the other is the Wiccan rule, an it harm no one, do as you will. I believe both of those are fine creeds.

Sven, I will be blunt - I have been a Christian since age 6; I grew up in the church, I've moved in church circles my whole life.
I have NEVER heard anyone call for violence against homosexuals.  I've heard homosexuality called a sin - the Bible does say it is that - but the same Bible also condemns greed, covetousness, adultery, sleeping around outside of marriage, and a host of other things.  But when Christ had a woman dragged before him caught in the act of adultery, his response was: "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

The people you rant about are a tiny, vicious, and rather un-Christian fringe of our faith.
Don't assume they represent us all, or even a majority - because they do NOT!

Honestly, Sven, it's bigotry to lump a couple billion Christians in with the worst elements of those who claim to be of the same faith. It's akin to showing some blackface Jim Crow-era "darkie" caricature and saying it represents all people of African descent.

Yeah, it's truly that bad.

Do something brave, like go meet real Christians. It might dispel some of the prejudices you carry.

I'm not a Christian, but you're really making me sympathize with them, Sven.

Picking out the most extreme proponents of any movement---be it Christianity, Islam, Republicans or Democrats---and pretending they represent the mainstream is not a persuasive argument. Every belief system has extremists who embarrass their own group.

I fear you're making atheists look intolerant and bad.

None of the Christians here support the Westboro Baptist Church view of their faith. They will be happy to join with you in condemning them if you don't approach it in a way that's insulting to them.

Not really seeing anywhere on this thread (or in my time on this forum) where anyone has posted that gays should be killed. If you are going to hold every christian responsible for the views of the extremists, then shouldn't you equally be held responsible for the views of every extremist atheist and everything they have ever said and done? I have however seen posts from you saying that people should be killed for having different beliefs to you.

I've known of plenty of atheists who have been very anti-gay and have openly said things they should all be put up against a wall and shot, and yet I don't recall seeing you post anything about those kinds of people. Looks a lot more like you just have a problem with christians and do your best to pick fights with them. I'd even go as far to say that you come off as not really giving a s**t about the people you claim to support, you just want to be as obnoxious as possible and it is just a handy excuse for you to act the way you do. It isn't like you are putting up compelling arguments or intelligent discussions or anything. Just rants. And given you've said multiple times in here that there are various people you'd like to kill who don't agree with your views why should you be treated any different than any other extremist? You've described yourself as a liberal, but if you choose to talk like a fascist then that is how I'm going to see you.

And before you put in your usual thing about how you've tried other ways for years and now you are just going to act the way they do, that isn't a justification. It is an admission of failure. To be honest though, given your usual standard of debating I can understand why you have failed to change people's minds.

On the other hand, maybe I am just giving you too much credit and all you really are is a troll.

Either way, you seem to be causing more people to stand up and support christians than turn against them or away from their church. If you'd said nothing you'd have done your cause more good than your posts which quite often make trump's tweets seem like the finest utterings of Oscar Wilde.

http://youtu.be/YCFZ8iBMdBk (http://youtu.be/YCFZ8iBMdBk) 

"Be not deceived, God is not mocked; whatsoever a man soweth, the same shall he reap." Gal. 6: 7-9 KJV

Yes, that's a verse where the bible bites it's own tail. See, according to that a man who does good deeds for others and is kind thru life should be greeted in the afterlife with goodness and kindness.

The bible later claims that  those who do good and are kind go to hell and burn forever unless they're saved while even an evil person who is saved goes to heaven.

So, which is true?

Sven, I've heard those verses interpreted to refer to blessings in this life for the holy, heard it explained as a reference to the second judgment among the "saved" where there are rewards based on the deeds done in this life, and I've known Catholics to cite it as evidence that works factor into salvation alongside faith, but I've never known any Christian to say someone avoids Hell or merits Heaven by deeds alone. You're seldom going to get absolute agreement as to the precise meaning of Bible verses, but it does make sense that if there is a God it may be a good idea not to mock this being.   :smile:

Romans 12:10 "Be devoted one unto another in love. Love others above yourself."

"He who loveth not knoweth not God, for God is love."  I John 4:8

I wonder if anyone has ever done a study to see if there is a provable correlation between being lonely and unloved and the resultant misery fueling a lack of faith in God? Eleanor Rigby went to church though, so I guess it's not that simple.

I've been lucky never to have been lonely in my life, and I think incurable loneliness is one of the most terrifying things I can think of. And saddest.

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."   John 8:7.     Jesus was addressing the Pharisees -- people who prided themselves on knowing God's laws to a "T."  But they practiced the laws without any heart or compassion for people, and they ran afoul of Jesus rather a lot because of this.  The Pharisees were judging a woman caught in the act of adultery.  Yes, a punishable by death offense. 

So they asked him what his opinion was, what should be done, and he basically ignored them, writing in the dust on the ground.  They kept questioning him and he finally looked up just enough to say the verse above.  At that, they all gradually filed out, "being convicted by their own conscience."   At the last it was just Jesus and the accused woman.  He asked her where all her accusers were?  Was any left to accuse her?   She replied no.  And to that he replied, "Then neither do I condemn you."

The being who made everything by speaking..  The being whose words have very, very much more power than the output of all the stars in the universe!  And all the gravity, and mass, and dark matter, and whatever else we haven't figured out...  Whose words have more power than all of those things, said, "Then neither do I condemn you."  ("Then go, and sin no more.")     He could see all the things she had done, more than any of those men who were set to accuse her.  And *He* said, in so many words, "Off you go, I forgive you.  The highest of all high courts forgives you!  Be a different person, make better choices."

I don't know who you are or what your life is like, Sven, but you sound lost.  I was lost once too, when I was 15, and without God in my life I'm lost again on any given day (doing things that my conscience knows are wrong, one way of looking at what is called sin).  It's pretty normal to be lost, unfortunately.   Every single one of us doesn't live up to God's laws. We either do wrong things, or we think or hope for the wrong things, because that's the curse we live under, from birth on.

If you really don't believe in God but have anger about it, the best advice I can give is to read "Mere Christianity" by CS Lewis.  Of all the people who didn't write the scriptures down, I find his mind to be one of the clearest at just teaching the truth about God in a way that my pea brain can understand.  Read his argument for God's existence, and then see where you're at.   But if you read it, don't skim parts of it to pick it apart.   Actually read it all and ask yourself questions about it.   

But if you're not going to ask yourself questions about it, don't just delude yourself in being in the right by being the one to cast stones at Christians.  You know you're not in the right.

If you take your anger out (your anger against God) on all us here, I understand that.  And for me, I forgive that.  But don't do yourself more harm on our accounts, man, please.  Our forgiveness means nothing at all.   Right?

(Haven't read the last page in this thread but posting anyway.)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+4%3A15-22&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+4%3A15-22&version=NKJV)

Genesis 1:27  "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them. "

And he said: "Naked came I from my mother's womb and naked shall I return. The Lord gave and the Lord takes away. Blessed be the name of the Lord." (Job 1:21)

Next time: Ecclesiastes

Samuel 15:3 Now go and strike Amalek and edevote to destruction1 all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”

Well gosh, reading this verse I think....I think I've been totally wrong all this time! (You're welcome, Sven. I just felt sorry for you.)

fun fact: "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" is not in the original NT

Not entirely true. 
The passage in John 8 about the woman taken in the act of adultery does not appear in some manuscripts of John.  It does in others, and in one ancient copy of the NT the same story, word for word, shows up in Luke.  But there are several very early references to this story in the writings of the Apostolic Fathers (2nd-3rd century), and it was apparently regarded as authentic and authoritative by them.  It MAY not have been part of the original text of John; or some early church leaders may have thought it too controversial and tried excising it.  Interestingly enough, it's in all the Syriac translations of John, and those were made very early on.  I think it may be a story that was part of the original, got dropped for a while, and then re-instated when later Christians realized it was authentic.  I'll say this: it is very much in character with the Jesus of the Gospels (more so than with most Gnostic depictions of Jesus), and particularly consistent with the way John depicted Him.  I wrote about this in one of my columns a couple of years ago, and here's what I said:

Q:  I have always loved the story of Jesus and the adulterous woman, but I heard someone say that it does not belong in the Bible at all, being written later. Is this true?
A:  Well, to use a Facebook catchphrase, "It's complicated."  The story of the woman taken in adultery and brought to Jesus by the Pharisees is a beautiful and inspiring tale of forgiveness in the face of vindictive hypocrisy that has been a treasured part of the narrative life of Jesus for many generations.  However, there is a pretty good chance that the story, while almost certainly authentic, was not originally part of John's Gospel.  Found in John 7:53 to 8: 11, this passage is omitted from many early copies of John - in fact, some of the earliest and most reliable manuscripts do not include it.  All told, there are 1762 Greek manuscripts of John's Gospel.  Of those, 1,495 include the story and some 257 do not - while a few Greek manuscripts relocated this same story, word for word, to the Gospel of Luke!
   Early support for the authenticity of this story can be found in St. Jerome, who translated the Bible into Latin around 400 AD and included it, St. Augustine, who preached extensively on this passage and argued for its authenticity, and Leo the Great, one of the early Popes (440-61 AD).  Papias, who lived from around 75-150 AD, referred to this story - or a similar tale, at any rate - as being associated with "the Gospel to the Hebrews," an early Gnostic document.  However, his account comes to us second-hand through Eusebius, who lived 200 years later, and is somewhat vague.  A Syriac devotional book from the mid-200's AD called the Didascalia Apostolorum quotes the passage word for word, showing that the story was in wide circulation by that point and believed to be authoritative.
   Among modern scholars, a majority hold this passage to be a later composition that was grafted into John's Gospel, perhaps sometime in the Second Century.  However, a large minority still defend the passage as being both authentic and part of John's original work; they say that fearful church leaders censored it in some copies, believing it would create the impression that Jesus was "soft on adultery."   
    It is impossible to say with absolute certainty whether or not this story was originally part of John, however, I think the evidence is quite strong that this story was known and treasured by the early church.  Certainly, the Jesus of this story is absolutely compatible with the Jesus of the Gospels, both in his compassion for the sinner and his scorn for the hypocritical Pharisees.  As one scholar puts it:  "If this is not Jesus, then a greater than Jesus is here!"

Daym, check out the brain on our Texan up there!  :thumbup:

I know a little bible history too.

The council of Nicea was originally going to put "the apocalypse of Peter" as the last book of their stare crafted religion hand picked from the countless stories related to Christianity in existence at the time of Nicea.

The apocalypse of peter told of jesus returning to earth and meeting peter, who essentially gave peter a tour of heaven.  They finally came to the edge of hell and peter,  commendably,  had the guts to say that hell was so terrible it just seemed wrong to leave anyone in it forever. He actually criticized the divine plan as being too cruel for him to be comfortable with.

Jesus then in the apocalypse of peter told peter that hell would not last forever and eventually almost everyone would be freed from it.

The council of nicea wanted to end the bible on a more positive note with the apocalypse of Peter but charlamange override them,  preferring the eternal suffering ending for those that rejected authority. Such a message would suit charlamangecs political aims better by making the consequences of not submitting utterly to authority, such as the empire and emperor, infinitely horrific.

There were  hundreds of stories related to the bibly at the time of charlamange, most written decades after the supposed time of jesus. Charlamange wanted an official stare religion that would essentially make utter and un questioning obedience a virtue and any dissent worthy of infinite punishment. Thus is was left out of the official stare approved religion as it didnct suit charlamange's political needs.

For the curious,  here's  the wiki on the apocalypse of peter. It's  just one of dozens of contemporay texts left out of the official bible as they didn't suit the political will behind it's creation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_Peter

It's late and I'll correct you tomorrow.

Wow, Sven, your history is so misinformed it's laughable.
First of all, the Council of Nicea was in 316 AD, Charlemagne wasn't even born till after 700 AD.
Secondly, the "Apocalypse of Peter" was written in the late 2nd/early 3rd century and was NEVER accepted by the mainstream church as it was far too late to be Apostolic in origin.  The books that do make up the New Testament were all written in the First Century AD, most of them before AD 70, at a time when some of the eyewitnesses of Jesus' life were still very much alive.
Third, the Council of Nicea did NOT decide the New Testament canon.  The 27 books that make up our NT were already widely regarded as authoritative and inspired by the broader Christian community. What Constantine (NOT Charlemagne) did ask the Council to do was three things:
1.  Rule whether or not Arianism was a legitimate Christian teaching or heresy (it was heresy)
2.  Come up with a statement of faith outlining Christian doctrines (the Nicene Creed, which was an expansion of the early 2nd century "Apostle's Creed"
3.  Produce fifty copies of the Christian Scriptures  to be disseminated throughout the Roman Empire.

One thing that was noticed as those copies were made and transmitted was that there were a handful of writings whose status was uncertain - mostly the shorter epistles that were not as widely circulated, plus two much beloved Christian texts (the "Didache" and the "Shepherd of Hermas") that some wanted to be included in the Scriptures.  So a later council was called, the Council of Hippo, around 400 AD.  They agreed to include the four shorter letters (II and III John, II Peter, and Jude) since there was evidence they dated to the First Century and were linked to the Apostles; the other two were rejected as Scripture but still copied and preserved as useful Christian teaching - just not on the same level as the works of the Apostles.

I don't say this with any meanness, Sven, but don't you begin to see that you are simply wrong about so much concerning Christians and Christianity, and that your negative ideas are, frankly, rooted in bigotry?

I'd say it's more a point of ego and pride that has caught Sven. He's so wrapped up in his own self that he cannot understand or accept that others have beliefs that are different from his and that he comes across as unbending, intolerant and uneducated. He also cannot understand that his world view is biased and narrow.

Not something from the bible, but it seems appropriate. Why be thought of as an idiot when you can open your mouth and remove all doubt.

(Haven't read the last page in this thread.)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+5%3A15-20&version=ESV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+5%3A15-20&version=ESV)

I think something similar is in there, somewhere in proverbs.

Biblical erotica, I love it. Think I'll get that done in a needlepoint sampler and hang it above our bed. Make my husband recite it before nookie.

John 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

I must admit, to me this verse has always hinted at some existing belief in reincarnation, since despite Jesus' reply in the next verse, why would the possibility of this man having been born blind because of his own sin be raised? How could someone be punished for his own sins at birth unless he had lived before? Puzzling.

Back when I was a teenager, I believed in reincarnation. Of course I was into anything supernatural, mystic,or occult.
Perhaps Purgatory and Reincarnation are the same thing. Isn't purgatory the limbo between Heaven and Hell? Wouldn't that be Earth?  :question:
Like- "He's not a Evil man. But he ain' no Saint! Let's throw him in a new body and give him another shot at it!"
If you keep f**king up, they turn you into a cow.  :bluesad:

Proverbs 23

31 Do not gaze at wine when it is red,
    when it sparkles in the cup,
    when it goes down smoothly!
32 In the end it bites like a snake
    and poisons like a viper.
33 Your eyes will see strange sights,
    and your mind will imagine confusing things.
34 You will be like one sleeping on the high seas,
    lying on top of the rigging.
35 “They hit me,” you will say, “but I’m not hurt!
    They beat me, but I don’t feel it!
    When will I wake up
    so I can find another drink?"


Always had a soft spot for this one...

Not sure about the other versions of christianity, but Catholicism certainly once believed in reincarnation from what I've read.

I think this verse is merely meant to illustrate the apostles' ignorance about the basic nature of suffering in the world. If they believed in the possibility of reincarnation, Jesus shuts them down:

9:3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him..."

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+5%3A13-16&version=HCSB (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+5%3A13-16&version=HCSB)

https://www.catholic.com/tract/reincarnation (https://www.catholic.com/tract/reincarnation)

If this is right, Catholics did not, in large numbers, believe in reincarnation. It was never brought up before a church council, & the main ancient author cited as supporting it spent most of his time arguing against it.

I imagine some individuals believed in it, otherwise no one would've written against it, but I can't say it was ever a significant part of early Christian teachings.

From what I read it was the whole second coming and the reincarnation of Jesus. Not a generalised reincarnation available to everyone in the Buddest sense. It was some years ago I was looking into it, but if you are interested I'll see if I can dig up the sources.

Random aside. According to a poll in 'The Tablet' 40% of modern Catholics believe in reincarnation for all.

Reincarnation as in being resurrected into a renewed body, or in the transmigratory sense?

From the article, being born into a new body. 1% also said they didn't believe in heaven, 3% didn't believe in the virgin birth and 9% refute the existence of hell.

Now, my head has ran off on a completely different tangent where I am wondering if the church is so against the pill, why is their newspaper called The Tablet?

One of the notes in my study Bible said that rabbinical teachings in Jesus' time allowed for the possibility of sin in utero.
Weird thought!  "You kicked mommy's bladder one time too many!!"

No offense Indy,but thats just bats**t crazy.

Jesus apparently thought so too.  :teddyr:

(Note: I didn't say I believed that! LOL)

I think there are many fascinating things in the Bible, and in all religions.
I think one should question everything. Even the things you DO believe in.

http://youtu.be/M3-oZk-eOzY (http://youtu.be/M3-oZk-eOzY)

indiana- the adulterous woman may be both authentic and not in the original versions. may have been part of the tradition but not written down in the versions of the various gospels as they were crafted.

Bart ehrman related a mistranslation from later on along the lines of "go now.... and sin more" which must have been italian

That's quite possible.
And oddly enough, when I was a teen, one of our Sunday School books actually misprinted the verse leaving out the word "no."
We all had a laugh over that!

All I know for sure is, I've had an interesting and strange and wonderful life.
I never killed, robbed, or f**ked my neighbors wife. (Well, once I did. But she was f**king everybody.)
And I wouldn't wan't to go back and change anything.I have no regrets.

When I die, I reckon I'll know what it's all about.
Or I'll just be dead!  :drink:
If There is a Hell below-we're all gonna go!  :thumbup:

Christ Pantocrator the newly risen Sun.  

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Christ_Pantocrator_Deesis_mosaic_Hagia_Sophia.jpg/473px-Christ_Pantocrator_Deesis_mosaic_Hagia_Sophia.jpg)  


In the Catholic faith you might only warrant Purgatory.  

I don't give a f**k if I go to Hell. If I do- I do.
 I don't believe in hell-if there is one- I ain't scared of it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=HCSB&search=Philippians%202:14-16 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=HCSB&search=Philippians%202:14-16)

Probably something most people, Christians included, need to work on.

Hey, as long as you didn't covet her, you're good!

(https://i.imgur.com/rTzuykE.gif) (https://lunapic.com)

Sorry- I couldn't stop myself.

Probably threaten to send anyone not giving him their Klondike bar to hell for eternity.

"Why do you hate me? What good did I ever do to you?"

Okay, not from the Bible, but that is an old, old Jewish joke/saying I thought fit here.

indiana - thats taking the water into wine quasi libertine interpretation too far

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

go now and drink some more

Proverbs 31:6 “Let beer be for those who are perishing, wine for those who are in anguish.”

The ancient Hebrews were very, very hip.

That was my Bible verse of the say on Jan. 10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors quote!

http://youtu.be/x2WK_eWihdU (http://youtu.be/x2WK_eWihdU)

its not really a verse but I was really baffled when I first read Revelation when it said "and it was quiet in heaven for about half a hour". it was right after they opened the 7th seal and before all the insanity started. just a strange, casual description

Welllll, ja, but you were using the praise wine part, and I was giving beer its due. Besides, you're very quotable.

Deuteronomy 20

16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy  them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the LORD your God has commanded you.

(Haven't read the last page.)

The Narrow Gate: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A13-14&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A13-14&version=NKJV)

That sounds like a good title for a B-Movie.

I don't know how ER feels about this, but--apparently--like minds think alike.

"Vanity of vanities," sayeth the Preacher. "Vanity of vanities. All is vanity."
Ecclesiaties 1:2

Next time: Matthew

Ja? Are you German now? :question:
I thought you lived in Ohio?

"There is no fear in love, for perfect love casts out fear."  - I John 4:15

Sequel to yesterday's verse of the day...

http://youtu.be/3PeyiU3uWJ8 (http://youtu.be/3PeyiU3uWJ8)

Note that this verse doesn't exactly appear in the Bible.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37&version=HCSB (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37&version=HCSB)

The Parable of the Good Samaritan

There's nothing wrong with your quoting the Bible, Sven, or even trying to weaponize it by picking out verses you hope will.....achieve whatever exactly you hope to achieve. (Do you even know?) But it does seem odd that you concern yourself so much with something you say you don't believe in.

I don't believe in the Easter Bunny, so I don't have a lot to say about him, but for someone who says there is no God, you spend a lot of time dwelling on the subject. That leads me to conclude you are either confusing hate with disbelief; you are intolerant of others' convictions and seek to change them instead of tolerating the differences between them and you, (just like the Chinese you say you hate do); or you are trying to prod someone to push the magic button and say just the right thing that'll suddenly let you believe and share in the happiness many of the faithful have.

So which is it?

I don't think you've put enough thought into your motives, you just know you feel anger and lash out from there, and for that I feel sorry for you.

As for the verse, well, the United States went to war to eradicate Imperialist Japan and Nazi Germany, and the advice given to service members before shipping out was, "Put some hate in your heart and make German the most common language in Hell."

We fought because we saw our declared enemies as evil, so did you ever pause to think maybe the peoples you cited in the verse were also evil and deserving of having total war waged against them?

You of all people seem to find it easy to say that not everyone is good and some groups need extermination, so I'm surprised you'd be critical of that at all.

Or are you saying religion represents a higher standard of conduct?

I think what made me willing to believe was a close examination of the claim that Jesus returned from the dead. I had to conclude that the likeliest explanation for this story was that Jesus did actually rise from the dead.

Maybe you should start there and really think about that event, and try to disprove it. You may be surprised.

In fact if you disprove it I will quit believing myself.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=HCSB&search=Matthew%207:7-8 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=HCSB&search=Matthew%207:7-8)

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LMQfOp9w8k#)

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Is_-g3Ardg#)

Peter Disowns Jesus
69 Now Peter was sitting out in the courtyard, and a servant girl came to him. “You also were with Jesus of Galilee,” she said. 70 But he denied it before them all. “I don’t know what you’re talking about,” he said. 71 Then he went out to the gateway, where another servant girl saw him and said to the people there, “This fellow was with Jesus of Nazareth.” 72 He denied it again, with an oath: “I don’t know the man!” 73 After a little while, those standing there went up to Peter and said, “Surely you are one of them; your accent gives you away.” 74 Then he began to call down curses, and he swore to them, “I don’t know the man!” Immediately a rooster crowed. 75 Then Peter remembered the word Jesus had spoken: “Before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times.” And he went outside and wept bitterly.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A14-26&version=HCSB (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A14-26&version=HCSB)

The Faith of a Demon would also be a cool movie title...

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+6%3A15-21&version=HCSB (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+6%3A15-21&version=HCSB)

Some have said Paul & James contradict each other on Faith & Works, but I don't see it. It's just algebra; if A=B then B must equal A.

James says you must have works to show you have faith; Paul says if you have Faith you'll have works.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus+22%3A20-21&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus+22%3A20-21&version=NKJV)

Interesting juxtaposition. Seems to imply that anyone could travel in ancient Israel, but to live there you'd have to conform to their culture.

"Good bread,good meat, good God let's eat"
Clint Eastwood- the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (1966)

That's as close as I can get.

The start of the Church:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts+2%3A40-47&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts+2%3A40-47&version=NKJV)

"And why beholdest the mole that is in thy brother's eye, but considereth not the beam that is in thy eye."
Matthew 7:3

Next time: John

Bread of deceit is sweet to a man; but afterwards his mouth shall be filled with gravel.
Proverbs 20:17

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john+3%3A1-5&version=HCSB (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john+3%3A1-5&version=HCSB)

The Gospel of John seems more mystical than the other three...

"Is this not the reason that you are mistaken: You do not understand the Scriptures, nor the power of God?" - Mark 12: 24

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+9%3A35-37&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+9%3A35-37&version=NKJV)


(New King James Version)

Judges 14:

    5 Samson went down to Timnah together with his father and mother. As they approached the vineyards of Timnah, suddenly a young lion came roaring toward him. 6 The Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him so that he tore the lion apart with his bare hands as he might have torn a young goat. But he told neither his father nor his mother what he had done. 7 Then he went down and talked with the woman, and he liked her.

    8 Some time later, when he went back to marry her, he turned aside to look at the lion’s carcass, and in it he saw a swarm of bees and some honey. 9 He scooped out the honey with his hands and ate as he went along. When he rejoined his parents, he gave them some, and they too ate it. But he did not tell them that he had taken the honey from the lion’s carcass.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12%3A25-30&version=HCSB (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12%3A25-30&version=HCSB)

So that's where Abe Lincoln got that...

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+6:4&version=HCSB (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+6:4&version=HCSB)

"Thou shalt knoweth the truth and the truth shalt maketh thee free." (John 8:22)

Next time: Romans

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+13:40&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+13:40&version=NKJV)

No, baldness is not a communicable disease, come back when you start to get red spots, or open sores, or...

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Kings+22%3A16-20&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Kings+22%3A16-20&version=NKJV)

The King is punished for his ancestors but was a good man himself. His death is considered a release from the coming destruction; he wasn't sent to hell for his ancestor's deeds.

"What-Me worry?"
Alfred E Neuman.

Hey-MAD is my Bible. I try to live by it.
And that's the honest truth. I'm a cartoonist.I think everything is f**king funny. Not alway's "funny" ha-ha.
But it's ALL funny.  :smile:

“Woe to those who call evil good and good evil.” Isaiah. 5:20

“The Lord hates hands that shed innocent blood.” Psalm 6:16-17

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Proverbs%2021:21 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Proverbs%2021:21)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Psalm%2097:10 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Psalm%2097:10)

"Not only so, but we rejoiceth in our suffering, because we knoweth that suffering produceth perseverence, perseverence, charity, and charity, hope." (Romans 5: 3-4)

Next time: Matthew

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+5%3A4-9&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+5%3A4-9&version=NKJV)

Ecclesiastes 7:9 Be not hurriedly provoked in your spirit, for anger resides in the heart of fools.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6:24&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6:24&version=NKJV)

"You cannot serve God and mammon."

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=1%20Corinthians%2013:4-5 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=1%20Corinthians%2013:4-5)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+13%3A+8-12&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+13%3A+8-12&version=NKJV)

What happens if we transpose the chapter & verse of John 3:16 ?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+16%3A3&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+16%3A3&version=NKJV)

 :buggedout:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=John%2013:34-35 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=John%2013:34-35)

Happy Valentine's Day Everyone! May peace & love rule your lives! May you find happiness & prosperity!

"A prophet is not wortheth honor, saveth in his own country." (Matthew 3:5)

Next time: John

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+22%3A10-18&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+22%3A10-18&version=NKJV)

"Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made."  - John 1:3

"Greater love hath no man, then this, that a man layeth down his life for his friends."
(John 15: 13)

Next time: Romans or I Corinthians

(http://i.imgur.com/0uKKgQE.jpg)

"Jesus wept".
HELLRAISER (1987)
Oh yeah- it's in the Bible too!

For context: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+11&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+11&version=NKJV) (Of the Bible, not Hellraiser. Tho that might be be interesting too...)

"Beloved ne'er avengeth thyself, but, leaveth it to the wrath of God, for, it is written: 'Vengeance is mine. I will repayeth.' sayeth the Lord."
Romans (12:10)

Next time: Matthew

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+4%3A5-10&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+4%3A5-10&version=NKJV)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+3%3A17-19&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+3%3A17-19&version=NKJV)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+116%3A5-7&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+116%3A5-7&version=NKJV)

"All that taketh the sword shalt perisheth by the sword." (Matthew 21:15)

Next time: another from Matthew

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+3%3A3-6&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+3%3A3-6&version=NKJV)

Modesty, outwards & inwards.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+25%3A1-3&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+25%3A1-3&version=NKJV)

"This is the message that we have heard from Him and proclaim to you: That God is light and in Him is no darkness at all." - I John Ch. 1

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Psalm%20139:23-24 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Psalm%20139:23-24)

David asks God to google him...

"But who so shalt offendeth one of these little ones, which believeth in me, it is better for him that a millstome was hangeth about his neck, and that he be drowneeth in the depths of the sea." (Matthew 6:16)

Next time: one from I Corinthians

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+1%3A3-7&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+1%3A3-7&version=NKJV)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+30%3A10-11&version=HCSB (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+30%3A10-11&version=HCSB)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Romans%208:28 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Romans%208:28)

Always encouraging.

"And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three, but, the greatesst of these is charity."
(I Cor. 13:13)

Next time: Luke

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+15%3A8-13&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+15%3A8-13&version=NKJV)

Old Testament verses implying the Gentiles should have hope in Jesus, according to Paul in his letter to the Church in Rome.

"And Lord turneth and looketh upon Peter. And Peter remembereth the word of the Lord, and He sayeth to him: 'Ere the cock croweth, thou shalt denyeth me thrice.' And Peter wenteth out and wepteth bitterly." (Luke 22: 60-61)

(IMHO) one of the most moving and saddest passages in the New Testament. And that's it from me.

It is a moving passage, but I like this one better:


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+21%3A15-18&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+21%3A15-18&version=NKJV)

"What has been is remote and exceedingly mysterious; who can understand it?" - Ecclesiastes 7:24

"You rely on your sword, you do detestable things, and each of you defiles his neighbor's wife. Should you then possess the land?"
Ezekiel 33:26

^For some reason I like that one lester. I know it's harsh, but harshness against evil isn't wrong, & few would say "rely[ing] on your sword" is a good idea. I'm sure I've read it before, but I never noticed it before.  :smile:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+39:6&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+39:6&version=NKJV)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+12%3A13-20&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+12%3A13-20&version=NKJV)

A Passage for Sven...

Mark 12:24, one of my favorites:

Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are mistaken, that you do not understand the Scriptures or the power of God?"

Pacman - thats kind of the Bible in a nutshell, to me. The story of Israel: they come in, they go against God, they don't learn their lesson even after being exiled and so forth. The rise and Fall

Gigablast, the small search engine started by a former Infoseek employee, has changed their alternate search engine options to Startpage & DuckDuckGo, which made me think of this: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes+10:20&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes+10:20&version=NKJV)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=2%20Corinthians%205:14-15 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=2%20Corinthians%205:14-15)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Romans%205:10 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Romans%205:10)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+26:40&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+26:40&version=NKJV)

Because I'm sleepy today...

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20%3A1-17&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20%3A1-17&version=NKJV)

It's interesting how the Ten Commandments go from more spiritual laws to more physical laws. It's like they're saying, "Yes, there is a higher basis for morality, & you must understand that to truly understand the rest."

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Romans%2013:6-7 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Romans%2013:6-7)

Rats.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6%3A19-20&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6%3A19-20&version=NKJV)

I thought this said something about fire. It does not, but the logic still applies.  :bluesad:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=1%20Corinthians%201:18 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=1%20Corinthians%201:18)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+3%3A18-22&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+3%3A18-22&version=NKJV)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+12%3A14-15&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+12%3A14-15&version=NKJV)

Something we all need to be reminded of from time-to-time.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5:28&version=NKJV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5:28&version=NKJV)

No peeping, Tom!

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Matthew%2018:15 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Matthew%2018:15)

Just make sure there are no motes in your own eye first, ok?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Ephesians%204:32 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=NKJV&search=Ephesians%204:32)

Kindness sounds good. Let's be kind today.