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Title: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: dcj2112 on April 11, 2019, 07:03:13 AM
I just finished by second Ray Dennis Steckler box set and I have to say Thrill Killers stands out like a sore thumb. It is surprisingly competent and decent. Not conventionally great (but I really liked it). Anyway, unsurprisingly its his highest rated film on IMDB at 5.6. I could see it being rounded off to a 6 easily if not higher. After finishing the box set I tried to see if Steckler had a co-director or something for Thrill Killers, but nope. Its all Steckler.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: claws on April 13, 2019, 10:38:23 AM
Not seen but David DeCoteau's The Girl I Want (1990) has a 6.9/10 rating at IMDb, which indicates the movie might be good.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: Alex on April 13, 2019, 01:30:53 PM
I would say the first Star Wars film is a good movie made by a bad director.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: zombie no.one on April 13, 2019, 05:23:24 PM
much as I appreciate/enjoy a lot of his work, I'd say Lucio Fulci is probably a 'bad' director, overall... However LIZARD IN A WOMAN'S SKIN is pretty close to being a bona fide 'good' movie, IMO


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 13, 2019, 05:59:06 PM
much as I appreciate/enjoy a lot of his work, I'd say Lucio Fulci is probably a 'bad' director, overall... However LIZARD IN A WOMAN'S SKIN is pretty close to being a bona fide 'good' movie, IMO

I agree with that 100%.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: RCMerchant on April 13, 2019, 07:20:13 PM
I would say SPARROWS (1926) is a classic film starring Mary Pickford directed by William Beaudine...who went on to do such treasures as BILLY THE KID VS. DRACULA, JESSE JAMES MEETS FRANKENSTEIN'S DAUGHTER, lotsa Bowery Boys movies, -hell! He started making movies in 1915. He made his last movie in 1976! It was called FURY OF THE DRAGON.
Amazing!



Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: Pacman000 on April 13, 2019, 10:56:13 PM
If you can believe IMDb, William Beaudine was a well-respected director in the silent era, but he made a bad career moves which limited his options later on. The B films weren't his movies; producers hired him to film a script, & he brought their project in on time & under budget.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: RCMerchant on April 14, 2019, 05:42:43 PM
Nathan Juran!
The same guy who directed the SEVENTH VOYAGE OF SINBAD also directed ATTACK OF THE 50 FOOT WOMAN and the BRAIN FROM PLANET AROUS !
When he worked with Harryhausen- it was great- which leads me to think Ray directed most of his films. And they worked together alot.
Because on his own- Juran was useless!


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: ralfy on April 15, 2019, 10:45:29 AM
M. Night Shyamalan's Signs


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: Trevor on April 15, 2019, 11:56:00 AM
Darfur aka Attack On Darfur (2009) directed by Uwe Boll.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: RCMerchant on April 15, 2019, 05:53:14 PM
M. Night Shyamalan's Signs



I would argue that point... :wink:



Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: Gabriel Knight on May 30, 2019, 07:18:12 AM
I thought I had a title from Uwe Boll in mind but after checking his filmography I realized I was wrong.
Man, look at those titles, holy crap. I kinda want to see Blubberella now.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: Trevor on May 30, 2019, 07:22:33 AM
I thought I had a title from Uwe Boll in mind but after checking his filmography I realized I was wrong.
Man, look at those titles, holy crap. I kinda want to see Blubberella now.

Darfur / Attack On Darfur is one of the most upsetting films I have ever seen: I was in tears at the end of it.

Uncle Uwe also made a film called 1968 Tunnel Rats in South Africa: not as emotionally draining but very good.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: JayJayM12 on May 30, 2019, 08:57:05 AM
Pain and Gain by Michael Bay (although, I suppose you could make a case for The Rock and Bad Boys 2, as well)


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: pennywise37 on July 19, 2019, 09:09:50 PM
William Beaudine was hired for B movies like billy the kid vs dracula and Frankenstein's daughter because if IMDB is to be believed he was called 1-take willie i think?

where he would only do 1 take of each scene and therefore he would like it's been said come under budget and could finish films faster than they were suppose to end on like if he had 10 days to film he could finish it in prolly 5 days or so or even less i'm guessing


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: kornula on July 20, 2019, 10:05:04 AM
I would say the first Star Wars film is a good movie made by a bad director.
You win the internet today!
BTW;  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk)
This video0 shows very clearly how s**tty a director Lucas was way back in 1976... but Richard Chew and Marcia Lucas saved his sorry, untalented ass...


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: bob on July 20, 2019, 04:18:27 PM
Peter Jackson's sole good film is Bad Taste


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: pennywise37 on July 20, 2019, 05:26:59 PM
1stly i disagree i love love American Graffiti that's i think George Lucas's best film, now i love Star Wars too and a New Hope is a great film i'm not denying that but i love American Graffiti, and Peter Jackson i've actually never have seen Bad Taste i keep forgetting to seek it out to be honest, but i love the Lord of the ring films, and though i haven't watched "The Frightner's  in years i do have a copy of the Directors cut which i haven't watched yet but that cut is suppose to be a lot better than the theatrical cut and i saw it in the theater back in the day and loved it.

and with M. Night i like him as a director but he's done a lot bad films for me i think his best film isn't my favorite of his is Sixth sense.  but his films in the past couple years have actually gotten better and i read an interview that he did where he said that when he started out he was making films for himself a movie like Unbreakable or Signs but the ones after that he started making them for his kids  when they were little and now that they are older he's making them for himself again.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 21, 2019, 09:59:04 AM
Peter Jackson's sole good film is Bad Taste

Sorry, disagree. I didn't like BAD TASTE. DEAD-ALIVE is vastly superior.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: pennywise37 on July 24, 2019, 12:40:57 AM
that's another i haven't seen yet oddly enough, i remember when that came out i wasn't allowed to see it cause i was well too young to see it though i was my early teens i think? my brother back than since he was a horror fan like me well is as he's still around anyways, he'd say you can watch this or that and it always annoyed the hell out of me too.


my folks never watched horror movies at all nor do they read King normally either so he was like that with movies too. my folks left that too him on that front today i think it's really stupid they did that but oh well i guess


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on July 24, 2019, 02:42:17 AM
I'd have to say that  THX-1138 was a slightly flawed but good movie and a good hard SF movie.  If anything the corporate and state  Dehumanization of most people  has grown vastly since it was made and a remake could be a worthy project.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: RCMerchant on July 25, 2019, 12:48:00 PM
I'd have to say that  THX-1138 was a slightly flawed but good movie and a good hard SF movie.  

I thought it was a fantastic movie! And it had Sid Haig too! Bacon!

(https://i.imgur.com/tlqmU9n.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)

I remember- I haven't seen it since 1976- but in STAR WARS there was a couple of seconds on screen of a pilot of some space ship-one of Vader's bad guys-who looked very much like the cops in THX.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: pennywise37 on July 25, 2019, 02:40:03 PM
that could have been intentional i'm guessing. i haven't seen THX1138 but i will watch Sid Haig in anything regardless how bad the film is, and no i'm not calling THX1138 a bad film cause i haven't seen it just mean since he's done so many bad films.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: RCMerchant on July 25, 2019, 02:49:34 PM
that could have been intentional i'm guessing. i haven't seen THX1138 but i will watch Sid Haig in anything regardless how bad the film is, and no i'm not calling THX1138 a bad film cause i haven't seen it just mean since he's done so many bad films.

I'm sure it was a nod to THX-1138.
And, yeah. I like Sid Haig. And if it's a Pam Grier movie...I might just have an orgasm!
  : :drink:


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on July 26, 2019, 06:31:13 PM
Yeah, lucas did a lot of tributes to thx-1138.

Honestly i'm surprised he doesn;t  (XXXX you AHD!) do a remake.

Yes I know if you look at the dramatic and beautiful last moment THX is doomed. as he's on the surface of earth with no outdoor survival skills or knowledge. But it was a beautiful scene.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: pennywise37 on July 26, 2019, 09:12:18 PM
well if you think about it THX isn't as well known like Star Wars is nor is it loved like it is either. true many know about it but that's guys like us who love films but the vast Majority i'd say unless they are film geeks as i call it like us they have never heard of it. that's how i look at it anyways,

that's i think why he hasn't done a remake of it. and i'm not saying there aren't fans of it there no doubt are but not like his other films


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on July 26, 2019, 09:27:36 PM
well if you think about it THX isn't as well known like Star Wars is nor is it loved like it is either. true many know about it but that's guys like us who love films but the vast Majority i'd say unless they are film geeks as i call it like us they have never heard of it. that's how i look at it anyways,

that's i think why he hasn't done a remake of it. and i'm not saying there aren't fans of it there no doubt are but not like his other films

I get your view,  but I think in today's world the concept of people being utterly dehumanized by a corporate state that is utterly indifferent to their humanity and suffering would really resonate.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: claws on July 27, 2019, 08:01:58 AM
Peter Jackson's sole good film is Bad Taste

Sorry, disagree. I didn't like BAD TASTE. DEAD-ALIVE is vastly superior.

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Heavenly Creatures (1994) is even better  :smile:

Why is Peterr Jackson even listed? wtf?


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: pennywise37 on July 27, 2019, 08:18:53 AM
i think we are both right and damn Heavenly Creatures is one i've wanted to see for years, on the show i love it's called Deadly women or as i call it Evil Bi***S

cause they got some evil ones on there, anyways in one episode they talk about that case and that's one author i have heard of but i have never read any of her books sadly. so i dunno how good or bad they are to be fair. i like Peter Jackson as Director for me for the ones i have seen The Lovely Bones is his worst film.

not a bad idea at all that he decided to do and it had it's moments to be fair but the film was sadly awful.  i liked the King Kong one i haven't seen The Extended cut yet, but it's not among his best films at all but it's not bad either, i think Skull Island was a better film to be honest


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: Rev. Powell on July 27, 2019, 10:50:30 AM
Peter Jackson's sole good film is Bad Taste

Sorry, disagree. I didn't like BAD TASTE. DEAD-ALIVE is vastly superior.

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Heavenly Creatures (1994) is even better  :smile:

Why is Peterr Jackson even listed? wtf?

I agree, and I think LOTR series is the best. But Bob clearly doesn't like PJ for whatever reason. So it seems to me if you don't like PJ but you like BAD TASTE, you should love DEAD-ALIVE, which is the same kind of thing only turned up to 11.

I love DEAD-ALIVE but really hated BAD TASTE when I first saw it (when it came out on VHS in the early 90s). Maybe I'd like it better now. But I liked DEAD-ALIVE from the get-go.

I'd say his worst may be MEET THE FEEBLES, which is well done in its way, but just so reprehensible.


Title: Bad directors
Post by: Trevor on July 27, 2019, 11:13:57 AM
My least fave SA filmmaker has yet to make a good film.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: pennywise37 on July 27, 2019, 11:43:49 AM
there is one film i thought was bad that  most people seem to love and that's Taxi Driver that film i have seen it a few times and tried to like it but it just isn't i think one of his best, not as bad as boxcar bertha which is his worst film that i've seen anyways. i mean Taxi Driver has it's moments but i dunno i just never got why people love that one but to each their own,

i suppose it's about the same way some people don't like the lord of the ring films even when they love the books is about how i feel about Taxi driver.

as for Peter Jackson i enjoy his films but i haven't seen them all yet sadly.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: Gabriel Knight on July 29, 2019, 06:01:39 AM
Peter Jackson's sole good film is Bad Taste

Sorry, disagree. I didn't like BAD TASTE. DEAD-ALIVE is vastly superior.

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/nyyuiqVn8vks0/giphy.gif)

Heavenly Creatures (1994) is even better  :smile:

Why is Peterr Jackson even listed? wtf?

I agree, and I think LOTR series is the best. But Bob clearly doesn't like PJ for whatever reason. So it seems to me if you don't like PJ but you like BAD TASTE, you should love DEAD-ALIVE, which is the same kind of thing only turned up to 11.

I love DEAD-ALIVE but really hated BAD TASTE when I first saw it (when it came out on VHS in the early 90s). Maybe I'd like it better now. But I liked DEAD-ALIVE from the get-go.

I'd say his worst may be MEET THE FEEBLES, which is well done in its way, but just so reprehensible.
I actually liked BAD TASTE much more than DEAD-ALIVE. The latter is good but it lacks a coherent plot, it's just zombies running around and gore all over the place. BAD TASTE at least has some kind of story behind it, as ridiculous it is.

I do have to say that the "I kick arse for the Lord!" scene is probably one of the best ever put on screen. Everyone in the world should see that.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: bob on August 01, 2019, 07:49:14 PM
I really like Bride of the Monster directed by Ed Wood, and not in a hilariously funny bad sort of way

it's was his only film where he had something close to a decent budget and he did a pretty good job

octopus not moving when it's attacking people not withstanding, this is pretty damn impressive


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: pennywise37 on August 01, 2019, 11:41:37 PM
i've  only seen Plan 9 of his films and i just haven't gotten around to watch his other films weather he directed them or not


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: kornula on August 16, 2019, 12:33:36 PM
I would say the first Star Wars film is a good movie made by a bad director.

I agree 100%


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: voltron on August 23, 2019, 05:28:16 AM
much as I appreciate/enjoy a lot of his work, I'd say Lucio Fulci is probably a 'bad' director, overall... However LIZARD IN A WOMAN'S SKIN is pretty close to being a bona fide 'good' movie, IMO
To me, Fulci's most well known stuff for instance - Zombie, The Beyond, House By The Cemetary, - it's not my thing. His giallos - Don't Torture A Duckling and Seven Notes In Black were astoundingly awesome to me. I saw New York Ripper and I f**king LOVED it! Typical Fulci taking on the American slasher? I couldn't believe it. I can't remember having such a blast seeing a movie in such a long time.
btw, I even enjoyed Cat In The Brain. Go figure lol.


Title: Re: When Bad Directors Make Good Movies
Post by: Rev. Powell on August 27, 2019, 12:58:23 PM
I think Gregg Araki is a terrible, pretentious director. But THE MYSTERIOUS SKIN is an incredibly moving drama about how two kids respond to a childhood trauma in very different ways.