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Title: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: indianasmith on April 15, 2019, 05:34:30 PM
The loss of history is heartbreaking . . . at least it looks like they may have kept the walls from collapsing!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/notre-dame-fire-the-structure-of-the-cathedral-has-been-saved-police-chief-says/ar-BBVXM4v?li=BBnb7Kz (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/notre-dame-fire-the-structure-of-the-cathedral-has-been-saved-police-chief-says/ar-BBVXM4v?li=BBnb7Kz)


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: Pacman000 on April 15, 2019, 05:48:28 PM
Saw that & tried to post, but my browser gave an error.

So very sad. The roof already collapsed, along with a tower built in the 19th century.


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 15, 2019, 05:49:11 PM
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/cordillera-network/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2019/04/15114804/Notre-Dame.jpg)

A massive cultural loss, for sure. And I was planning on visiting it again next month. Glad I got the chance to experience it in my 20s. Almost 900 years is a good run for a structure.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/VBi0qdmGH0rO8/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115cb509ef5275416455633c1e)


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: RCMerchant on April 15, 2019, 05:56:21 PM
I saw that too.  :bluesad:
My thought was Quasimodo is crying somewhere.

I almost f**king cried. Seriously.


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on April 15, 2019, 08:08:30 PM
I wonder is radical islam had anything to do with it? Even if they didn't will they be blamed for it? Will some islamic group take credit for starting the fire even if tney didn't?

This has the potential to go very, very bad. Far beyond any damage to the cathedral itself.


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: Rev. Powell on April 15, 2019, 08:11:14 PM
I wonder is radical islam had anything to do with it? Even if they didn't will they be blamed for it? Will some islamic group take credit for starting the fire even if tney didn't?

This has the potential to go very, very bad. Far beyond any damage to the cathedral itself.

"The Paris prosecutors’ office ruled out arson and possible terror-related motives, and said it was treating it as an accident, The Associated Press reported."


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on April 15, 2019, 08:26:05 PM
I wonder is radical islam had anything to do with it? Even if they didn't will they be blamed for it? Will some islamic group take credit for starting the fire even if tney didn't?

This has the potential to go very, very bad. Far beyond any damage to the cathedral itself.

"The Paris prosecutors’ office ruled out arson and possible terror-related motives, and said it was treating it as an accident, The Associated Press reported."

Well maybe this won't become a "holy war" then,  but I'm sure the far right crowd will claim it was Islamic terrorists and the government us afraid to say so.  Keep an eye on this story,  it has potential to get a lot worse.


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: indianasmith on April 15, 2019, 09:34:52 PM
I am just relieved that at least some of the interior of the church appears to have survived.


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: RCMerchant on April 15, 2019, 09:51:15 PM
I wonder is radical islam had anything to do with it? Even if they didn't will they be blamed for it? Will some islamic group take credit for starting the fire even if tney didn't?

This has the potential to go very, very bad. Far beyond any damage to the cathedral itself.

"The Paris prosecutors’ office ruled out arson and possible terror-related motives, and said it was treating it as an accident, The Associated Press reported."

Well maybe this won't become a "holy war" then,  but I'm sure the far right crowd will claim it was Islamic terrorists and the government us afraid to say so.  Keep an eye on this story,  it has potential to get a lot worse.

See- that's the thing. Some folks make everything about politics.
But LIFE is not politics.  This, to me, is a loss of history. Of beauty. Of antiquity.
This building has a soul.


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: Pacman000 on April 15, 2019, 10:13:22 PM
I am just relieved that at least some of the interior of the church appears to have survived.
Good to know, but how much? It just seems so...


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: indianasmith on April 15, 2019, 11:19:47 PM
The altar and choir suffered the least damage, and the church's Holy Relics were rescued.


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on April 16, 2019, 12:29:13 AM
A lot of things had been removed prior to the fire as part of a renovation effort according to MSNBC. Most roof statues, some stained glass windows, relics, etc.


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: Alex on April 16, 2019, 12:55:42 AM
From what I am hearing, the main structure has been saved, although to roof is gone. One company has already pledged 100 million euro's towards repairing it.


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: Pacman000 on April 16, 2019, 07:36:00 AM
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9UeE4P3k5k#)


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: Pacman000 on April 16, 2019, 08:39:57 AM
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=922n0Z9VDSQ#)


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: sprite75 on April 16, 2019, 11:19:07 AM
I was so sad to hear about the devastation.  Paris is still on the bucket list and a visit to Notre Dame would have been in order.   At least part of the building survived and will be rebuilt.   

Last i heard the organ appears to have survived but they have to see how much damage there was to the inner workings of the organ.

(Yeah, Paris statutes, you have been advised the day will come when Sprite75 will show up with that G-D camera of his that is the bane of Roman and Spanish statutes everywhere).


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: WingedSerpent on April 16, 2019, 05:44:07 PM
I would have loved to have seen Notre Dame in its full glory.  While I'm sure they will do their best to rebuild and restore-I'm betting it won't be the same.  Like others have said-this was a terrible loss for the worlds of art, architecture, faith, and history.


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: Svengoolie 3 on April 16, 2019, 11:58:48 PM
There is one thing I just have to say.  There's  this pic of a gold cross that survived the fire and peolle are calling it a holy miracle.

Yeah,  wood,  the main fuel for the fire,  burns at ~ 600C.

Gold melts at ~ 1050C.

It's not much of a miracle that a gold cross survived a fire that was ~  40% below its melting point. 



Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: Pacman000 on April 17, 2019, 09:34:30 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-notredame-insurance/insurers-expect-france-to-bear-notre-dame-rebuilding-cost-idUSKCN1RS1LO?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-notredame-insurance/insurers-expect-france-to-bear-notre-dame-rebuilding-cost-idUSKCN1RS1LO?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews)

Lloyds of London estimates it will take 20 years & $8 billion to restore.


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IS BURNING!!!
Post by: Allhallowsday on April 17, 2019, 10:21:05 PM
Is sounds like many primary and ancient structures survive; the roof was not nearly as old as the building. 

There is hope.