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The Films[
Abraham Lincoln (1930)
Parnell (film) (1937)
The Goldwyn Follies (1938)
Swing Your Lady (1938)
The Terror of Tiny Town (1938)
Jamaica Inn (1939)
New Moon (1940)
Northwest Mounted Police (1940)
The Big Noise (1944)
Ivan the Terrible (1945)
Dick Tracy vs. Cueball (1946)
That Hagen Girl (1947)
Twilight on the Rio Grande (1947)
Daughter of the Jungle (1949)
Robot Monster (1953)
King Richard and the Crusaders (1954)
Swamp Women (1955)
The Conqueror (1956)
The Story of Mankind (1957)
Jet Attack (1958)
Say One for Me (1959)
Solomon and Sheba (1959)
Alakazam the Great (1960)
Dondi (1961)
Last Year at Marienbad (1961)
Eegah (1962)
The Horror of Party Beach (1964)
Santa Claus Conquers the Martians (1964)
Boy, Did I Get a Wrong Number! (1966)
Spinout (1966)
Three on a Couch (1966)
The Ambushers (1967)
Hurry Sundown (1967)
Valley of the Dolls (1967)
A Place for Lovers (1968)
Che! (1969)
Myra Breckinridge (1970)
Zabriskie Point (1970)
Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster (1971)
The Last Movie (1971)
Return of Sabata (1971)
The Assassination of Trotsky (1972)
Trouble Man (1972)
Jonathan Livingston Seagull (1973)
Lost Horizon (1973)
Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
The Trial of Billy Jack (1974)
Airport 1975 (1974)
At Long Last Love (1975)
The Omen (1976)


This list was obviously compiled long before Tommy Wisseau's creation graced the world with his vision.   I don't agree with about 10 or so films on this list.  For example:  "Swamp Girls" is certainly cheesy, but not dull.... or slow. Corman knows how to pace his films with a tight script and enough events to keep the story moving.  Not the best story, but not the worst by far.

i loooooove (for real)  THE TERROR OF TINY TOWN By no means is this movie even remotely bad.  It has a solid and consistent story...It doesn't fall short of action.  It's your typical western film... with midgets.   Nothing more.. or less.

THE HORROR OF BEACH PARTY isn't that bad either. It is not great by any stretch of the imagination either. But there are far worse and wholly unwatchable movies out there.  (any movie "directed by"  Zach Snider for example...

A friend and myself are compliling our own sepearate "50 worst films of all time" list.  I'll be posting my list when it's finished.

Here is a sample of what I have.

THE ROOM
This movie surpass Plan 9 as the worst movie of all time.

DEATH MACHINES
This has everything a bad movie needs for me;  death by bulldozer while trapped in a phone booth. Death by driving up in a public park and pulling out a bazooka in broad daylight.  Death by being run over in a super fake interior Italian restaurant set while eating the cheapest spaghetti scene.  But the best part is the “villain” is a hilarious “Dragon Lady” played by an Asian woman with a terrible lisp.

ROBO VAMPIRES
Godfrey Ho's worst ever...and all his movies are terrible. It's so bad I have totally forgotten even watching it in spite of my roommate who swears we watched it.  He keeps threatening to make me watch it again.

INVASION OF THE POD PEOPLE
An E.T. Italian production filmed in Spain ripoff  where no invasion or pod people actually show up.

BILLY JACK 
This movie was produced with a budget of 800,000$ back in 1973.  Released in 1974 and made $60 Million?    This movie is 2 hours of self indulgent drivel. 

THE TRIAL OF BILLY JACK
The first movie was so popular Tom Laughlin had to cash in on his self indigence by repeating it and adding another hour.   Anyway, this sums up The Trial of Billy Jack for me;  “Inside you are two wolves.  Both are played by Tom Laughlin and neither one will shut up.”

THE WEREWOLF OF WASHINGTON
Starring Dean Stockwell.. who does exactly what the script and director called for;  be boring for 2 hours – and he does so flawlessly.

BOOM
This is John Waters favorite bad movie. It's also one of mine. With the cast of Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton (just as their marriage was at an end) and Noel Coward.  Written by Tennessee Williams no less.   I could gush on forever how insanely fun this movie is..but you have to find out for yourself. It is bad..but engaging all the same.

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Do you agree with the "offiial" 50 worst list?   Do you have a totally different list?  What do y'all think?

The Omen? What the hell is that doing on the list.

^ THE OMEN is overrated, but hardly belongs on the list. 

VALLEY OF THE DOLLS is a lot of fun, kind of dreadful and wonderful, a camp classic, and hardly one of the worst. 

I agree, while the Omen and Valley of the dolls are silly, they are hardly the worst films of all time.  I know the common folk have seen much worse than either of those.  

I am honestly shocked that not one of the "EXORCIST" sequels made it to this list. [edit] I've been informed this list was compiled in 1976...

That's the Medveds list. It's notoriously bad. They were likely trolling with some of those choices: LAST YEAR AT MARIENBAD is almost universally regarded as a classic. BRING ME THE HEAD OF ALFREDO GARCIA may not be quite so loved, but it has many more fans than detractors.

The Medveds were terrible, but they are historically important as the first ones to champion the "bad movie" as its own genre of film. They really helped to launch the cult of Ed Wood.

That's why we're here. Time to make a new list of 50 worst of all time.

Couldn't agree more. I never liked Medved's " golden Turkey"  contrived bulls**t.
I bet dollars to donuts they never even seen 3/4's the films they reviewed.
Calling PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE the worst film ever made is just plain lazy.

genuinely great film imo... strange.

the Joan Collins semi-rip off I DON'T WANT TO BE BORN might be in my bottom 50 though!

I think your own list is inclined to films you hate not the worst.  BILLY JACK (which I saw in a theater the year it was new) is heavy ham-handed but fun, too.  Look at BLOODSUCKING FREAKS (insufferable) or "IT'S ALIVE!" (1969 - quotes and all open-mouthed boring) to start with "worst". 

According to Cult Movies by Danny Perry, Billy Jack was made in 1967, but disputes between Tom Laughlin & producers caused dozens of delays, Laughlin even stealing the sound reels & threatening to erase them if he wasn't given total control, & ultimately leading to the film changing hands between three different production companies.

It was finally released by Warner Brothers in 1971, whom Laughlin later sued for improperly marketing the movie.
Part of an out of court settlement was a one-hundred theater rerelease.

The heavy handness overtakes the fun parts.  Even the fun parts get heavy handed.

Who makes these "lists"?
Because someone writes it down makes it so?
f**k that list!  :wink:

All Joking aside ...Billy Jack!
I love Billy Jack! He does Kung Fu!


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I agree!
BLOODSUCKING FREAKS I only watched once because I read about it in Fangoria magazine. I bought it from some company that was advertised in the magazine. I watched it. It's not shocking.It's dumb as a doorknob!

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Oh! I'm so scared!

We can all at least agree that BLOODSUCKING FREAKS is terrible.

I think you think it's heavy handed because nothing is blowing up every 5 minutes.
It has a story. Not a comic book.
Actually it is a comic book. It's a guy with a cool hat doing kung fu.
I'm sorry!

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Yeah. That's a given. It's like walking into the bathroom and catching your brother jerking off.
Not something I care to see again.

I think a scarier and creepier image would be walking into the bathroom and catching grampa jerking off.   

You're welcome.

Or grandma giving grandpa a BJ with her gums!

Now this has the makings of a bad movie right there

Or catching your toothless grandpa giving your brother a hummy! Or visa versa!

^ If yer werking on 50 worst forum responses, ya gotta good start! 

Sort of back to the topic;   The ONLY saving grace of both Billy Jack Movies (except Billy Jack Goes to Washington is a s**tty remake of "Mr Smith goes to washington) is that Tom Laughlin and his whiny wife (who plays his love interest) honestly believe their own bulls**t. If anyone else tried to portray that in front of a camera they'd be in a Steven Segal movie.

BILLY JACK movies ARE Steven Seagal movies..  :teddyr:

BORN LOSERS is the only one I watched more than once.
BILLY JACK was fun.
After that, yeeech!

Like I said, Steven Seagal movies...  :tongueout:

I do not understand how MANOS and CREEPING TERROR are not on the list..

MANOS was pretty much unknown at the time that was written. Not so sure about THE CREEPING TERROR. The Medveds didn't have the luxury of the Internet or even video stores when they compiled this list in the 70s, which is why I appreciate their work even though the list ends up deficient.

The CREEPING TERROR played on TV a couple times. It was never shown in theaters, that's why there are no posters or lobby cards.

I love that movie!

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I always forget who was the user who hated BUCKY LARSON with a passion. I was expecting that movie to be mentioned here.  :bouncegiggle:

Bob, I think, hates Bucky Larson with a passion.

I will have my list of 50 worst movies ready to post in a day.   

I thought it would be fun if everyone posted their own personal "50 worst films" and compare.   About 10 or so are obscure straight to DVD that were made within the past 20 years so I doubt anyone has seen or heard of them.  Two were filmed here in Alaska.   I am 99% certain no one outside Alaska has even heard of them. Heck, I didn't know about one until this year.

Anyway, I'd love to see everyone else's list of 50 worst.

I would have loved Billy Jack if I saw it when i was 10.   

In no particular order, here is my list of 50 worst films of all time (to date...) What do you think?  Agree? Disagree?  Let's see yours.
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1.  The Room (2003)
This movie surpass Plan 9 as the worst movie of all time.
..until George Lucas plans to come out of retirement.

2.  Death Machines (1976)
This has everything a bad movie needs for me;  death by bulldozer while trapped in a phone booth. Death by driving up in a public park and pulling out a bazooka in broad daylight.  Death by being run over in a super fake interior Italian restaurant set while eating the cheapest spaghetti scene.  But the best part is the “villain” is a hilarious “Dragon Lady” played by an Asian woman with a terrible lisp.

3.  Robo Vampires (1988)
Godfrey Ho's worst ever...and all his movies are terrible. It's so bad I have totally forgotten even watching it in spite of a friend who swears we watched it.  He keeps threatening to make me watch it again.

4.  The Pod People (1984)
An E.T. Italian production filmed in Spain ripoff  where no invasion or pod people actually show up. But it did give us the groovy hit song: “Idiot control now”  (I'm not kidding, that's the name of the song)

5.  Billy Jack.  (1974)
This movie was produced with a budget of 800,000$ back in 1973.  Released in 1974 and made $60 Million?    This movie is 2 hours of self indulgent drivel. 

6.  The Trial of Billy Jack (1976)
The first movie was so popular Tom Laughlin had to cash in on his self indigence by repeating it and adding another hour.   Anyway, this sums up The Trial of Billy Jack for me;  “Inside you are two wolves.  Both are played by Tom Laughlin and neither one will shut up.”

6.  The Werewolf of Washington (DC) (1973)
Starring Dean Stockwell.. who does exactly what the script and director called for;  be boring for 2 hours – and he does so flawlessly.

7.  Boom (1968)
This is John Waters favorite bad movie. It's also one of mine. With the cast of Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton (just as their marriage was at an end) and Noel Coward.  Written by Tennessee Williams no less.   I could gush on forever how insanely fun this movie is..but you have to find out for yourself. It is incredibly  bad and incredibly good at the same time, and I can't explain why.

8.  Mesa of Lost Women (1953)
Don't let the advertisement fool you that Jackie Coogan will save this film. He does not.

9.  Invaders From Space (1965)
Aliens come to Japan to take over the world through... interpretive dance.  I'm not kidding.

10.  The Klansman (1974)
Richard Burton and Lee Marvin fight racism in a small town (somewhere in the good ol' US of A) They don't fight it very well – but an attempt was made.  Apparently they both drank quite a bit on the set.   

 Lee Marvin was on a talk show with Richard Burton just a year after making “The Klansman”   Burton said it was lovely meeting Mr. Marvin  To which, Mr. Marvin reminded him they made “the Klansman” together recently.   Burton could not recall meeting him.. or the film at all. 

11.  Krull (1983)
Yeah, I know a lot of people (now about 40 years or younger) love it.   But this movie makes zero sense...and the “special effects” are not so special at all.

12.  The Wraith (1986)
Charlie Sheen thankfully had very little dialogue in this stink bomb.   It has a cult following, which I can see, it has some elements that could be endearing to some (heck, I love Death Machines) so I can't fault anyone for liking this.  Side note; I think Clint Howard borrowed the wig from Eraserhead.

13.  The Black Hole (1979)
It's Disney trying to be dark and cashing in on the Star Wars craze...they failed at both attempts.

14.  Hanger 18 (1978)
I remember watching this film when it came to my home town theater 30+ years ago with my best friend.  All I remember is both of us actually wanting our money back...which they didn't give us since we sat through the whole thing.  It never occurred to us we could walk out before the ending.

15.  300 (2006)
Yes, Zach Snider is almost a bad a director as Tommy Wisseau.   I would have walked out on this if my friend who paid for the ticket was not my ride home.

16.  CATS (2019)

17.  Star Crash (1978)
Italy cranked out more movies than Hollywood from the 1950s all the way to the 80s.  Occasionally, a good movie slipped out ..but most of them – which got major US Theatrical releases from major studios – were crap...Star Crash, like Disney and Krull..and Battle Beyond the Stars, attempted to cash in instantly on the Star Wars craze.  Putting Christopher Plumber on the billing did not save this film.

18.  Escape From Galaxy 3 (1981)
Which brings me to this gem... it too attempted to cash in on the Star Wars Craze on and after 1977.  It too failed ..but apparently people in the future live in Fabergé egg dwellings. They have lots of G rated sex (yes... it got a G Rating) The oddest part, there are no children in this future world.

19.  Howard The Duck
If Ewoks was not a sign to the fans that George was loosing touch with reality, Howard the Duck did. 

20.  Breakfast of Champions (1999)
The Kurt Vonnegut book is, like most his books a little odd, but organically so.  This adaptation is odd for the sake of being odd.   The director was a bit too self aware. 

21.  Leisure (2003)
This “movie” (direct to DVD) has only one real genuine actor, Michael Goorijan.. I'm guessing he made this movies with his friends.. who have no talent what so ever.  Not one character has any redeeming quality. There is a “story” of sorts that gets lost in the endless prattling of the “characters” moaning how terrible life is.

22.  Freedom Deep (1999)
The reviews on Amazon where you can buy the DVD have two positive reviews.  Both are from the director .

23.  Happy Halloween; Trick or Treat (2008)
Every single character falls into the bad writing category.

Every.
Single.
Character.

PS, this was filmed in Alaska.  No moose were harmed in the making of this crappy movie.

24.  Night Divides the Day
Apparently the title is in reference to a Doors song.  The line from the song is mentioned by one character at a camp fire... has no relevance or bearing what so ever on the story... but then again, nothing does in this movie.

25.  Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde: The Rock n' Roll musical.
Heck, Rock n' roll Nightmare is better than this movie.  I'm not kidding.

26.  Myra Breckinridge (1969)
I don't know why Gore Vidal disavowed this movie. It captures the essence of the book, which was supposed to be a satire of Hollywood and American culture..but was too mean spirited. The movie does follow the spirit and tone of the book flawlessly IMHO. The really twisted part is I love watching this movie anyway.

27.  The Blue Lagoon (1980)
Some people like watching Brooke Shields nearly naked for 90 minutes. Some people like watching Willie Ammes nearly naked for 90 minutes.  But not together in this movie.

28.  The Last American Virgin (1982)
Yet another “coming of age” movie that is somewhat mean spirited too. 

29.  Xtro (1984)
The writer/director went out of his way to be spiteful to not only the audience but all humanity.  This director has even more contempt for humanity than Andy Milligan.

30.  Cat in the Brain (1990)
Italian Director, Lucio Fulci plays himself as a.. get this horror film director. This director suddenly cannot distinguish between real life and the horror films he's made.   It's supposed to be a comedy.

31.  Supergirl (1984)
Salkinds really wanted to keep cashing in on their Superman success.  And would have if they got a real writer and real director.

32.  Santa Claus: The movie! (1985)
The Salkinds at it again, with the exact same French director as Supergirl. They also spent a lot of money making this movie.

33.  Plan 9 from Outer Space (1957)
While Tim Burton's amazing biopic: “Ed Wood” glorified the esteemed directors life.  Mind you, it is in the “So bad it's actually good” category ..but it's still bad.
 
34.  Slacker (1990)
Richard Linkatter's first film.. should have been his last.  I did, in fact walk out about 20 minutes in. I could not stomach any more. And I got a ticket to see another movie at the same theater.

35.  Xanadu ((1980)
What has not been said about this the past 40 years already?

36.  Can't Stop the Music (1980)
I love irony.  Disco stopped in this movie. .Plus, I should go back and watch this as it does have BRUCE Jenner.

37.  Taking Tiger Mountain (1982)
This movie makes zero sense. 

38.  The Snows of Kilamanjaro (1952)
You'd think a classic Hollywood film, made in the golden age with Gregory Peck and Susan Hayward based on a novel by Hemingway would be a sure fire hit.   Nothing happens in this snore fest for 2 whole hours.  Nothing.

39.  The Telephone (1988)
Proof Whoopie Goldberg is not all that talented. She could not pull off a clever Terry Southern Script.

40.   Star Wars; Episode I; The Phantom Menace (1999)
Jar Jar Binks..

41.  Popeye; The Movie (1980)
What possessed Robert Atlman and Jules Fifer to team up and adapt the cartoon, Popeye into a live action film?  Seriously.  Anyone know the answer?

42.  Star Trek: the (slow) Motion Picture (1979)
Living proof Gene Roddenberry should have let his own creation go with more talented and sane people. Mind you, I own it on Blu Ray and watch it at least once a year, after all, it is Star Trek.

43.  Andy Milligan. (from 1966 to 1987)
Minus “Vapors” Andy gave the world a plethora of bad movies. PS, I love Andy's movies, but every single one (except “Vapors” is a letter of contempt for all humanity.)

44.  Serial Rabbit III: Spitting Hares (2009)
An online friend recommend this as a “so good it is bad” movie.  He was dead wrong. It's a group of friends who went out of their way to intentionally make a bad movie.. and they succeeded.

45.  Nothing But Trouble (1991)
Dan Akcroyd was given free reign to do what every he wanted with dump trucks full of Hollywood money.

46.  Bill The Galactic Hero (2014)
What the heck happened to Alex Cox?   

47.  The History of the World Part I (1980)
Yes, I put a Mel Brooks movie on the 50 worst movies of all time. Much as I love Mel Brooks, this movie needed a miracle.

48.  Treasure of the Jamaican Reef (A.K.A. 'Evil in the Deep' - 1974)
Wow.. this “adventure/Thriller”  is neither.

49.  Dot Com for Murder (2001)
Nico Mastorakis (the “director”) is Greek for “Tax write off”

50.  Manos; The Hand of Fate (1966)
What hasn't been said about this stink bomb the past 30 years?  Some say “It's so bad it's good” kind of movie. I don't. But I can see why some do.

"Bad" and "cheese" usually go hand in hand. The cheese in those 50 was just awfully dull.
 
 1. Hip Hop Locos (2001 Video)
 2. Return of the Boogeyman (1994 Video)
 3. Isis Rising: Curse of the Lady Mummy (2013)
 4. Curse of the Headless Horseman (1972)
 5. Kill the Scream Queen (2004)
 6. Ancient Evil: Scream of the Mummy (1999)
 7. Invasion from Inner Earth (1974)
 8. Alone in the Dark (2005)
 9. The Mailman (2004)
 10. Ape (1976)
 11. Five Across the Eyes (2006)
 12. Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus (2009 Video)
 13. Night Claws (2012)
 14. Firehead (1991)
 15. Delta Force One: The Lost Patrol (2000)
 16. Space Zombie Bingo!!! (1993 Video)
 17. Laserblast (1978)
 18. Honey Britches (1971)
 19. Hellraiser: Revelations (2011)
 20. Beyond the Wall of Sleep (2006)
 21. Raptor (2001 Video)
 22. April Fools (2007 Video)
 23. The Cell 2 (2009 Video)
 24. Bear (2010)
 25. Blood Theatre (1984)
 26. Deadly Daphne's Revenge (1987)
 27. The Feeding (2006 Video)
 28. Wicked Lake (2008)
 29. Bloody Murder (2000 Video)
 30. Boggy Creek (2010)
 31. Xtro II - The Second Encounter (1990)
 32. The Vulture's Eye (2004 Video)
 33. Howling III (1987)
 34. Teenage Alien Avengers (1999 TV Movie)
 35. Feardotcom (2002)
 36. Flesh for the Beast (2003)
 37. Invitation (2003 Video)
 38. Caved In (2006 TV Movie)
 39. The Milpitas Monster (1976)
 40. Prey of the Jaguar (1996 Video)
 41. Carnosaur (1993)
 42. 24 Hours in London (2000)
 43. The Legend of Bigfoot (1975)
 44. Gargoyle (2004 Video)
 45. Creature (2011)
 46. Galaxina (1980)
 47. Fait Accompli (1998)
 48. Ed Gein: The Butcher of Plainfield (2007 Video)
 49. Croc (2007 TV Movie)
 50. Godmonster of Indian Flats (1973)

The Room is hilariously bad, not worst of all time material imo. Same with Plan 9, it's on the higher end of bad flicks and I'll fight tooth and nail for it to be off of the worst of all time list. Some suggestions I  have are:
The Garbage Pail Kids Movie for notoriety
Disaster Movie for modern disaster
Octaman for wasted title character (and for rivaling Manos for how boring it is)
Fun in Balloonland for being the worst children's flick since it can't stay focused on the story
The Incredibly Strange Creatures for a technicality, since it's a musical that barely has any musical elements in it
Monster A Go-go should get in for how the back story of it.
All of the Francis Coleman flicks should get in
I'll think of some more later on.

I forgot about the Garbage Pail Kids movie. 

Wish I could still forget it.

They made a sequel to Xtro??  WTF? Didn't the first one actually bomb at the box office?  or at least not make that much money?

No idea about Xtro's box office, but the same director made two sequels. Part 3 is equally bad as the second.

 

You enjoy the film.  That sounds like some kind of best not "worst".   :smile:

I like every one of those movies.
They are BAD, but entertaining as hell.

that's the problem, there's good-bad and bad-bad. I think you need 2 seperate lists cause mixing those up can get complicated

good-bad:
SCANNERS 3
THE HOWLING PART 7
THE MUTILATOR
SAMURAI COP
DON'T OPEN TILL XMAS
PIECES
THE URGE TO KILL/ATTACK OF THE KILLER COMPUTER
THE ROOM
GRADUATION DAY
THE NOSTRIL PICKER
ICED
CHOPPING MALL
AEROBICIDE
WELCOME TO SPRING BREAK
BLOODY MOON
THINGS
FRIDAY 13TH PART 3 & PART 5
THE LAST HORROR FILM
BOARDINGHOUSE
ZOMBIE HOLOCAUST
CONTAMINATION
TROLL 2
UNDER SIEGE 2
GYMKATA


...i could go on to 50 but you probably get the idea

bad-bad? well If I don't enjoy a movie I try to forget about it. which is easy cause most of them are 'forgettable' to me. very few films have offended me so much with their 'bad-badness' that they've stuck in my mind...

I think I've only seen 3 movies on claws's entire list (MILPITAS MONSTER, HOWLING 3, XTRO 2), maybe I should feel lucky

I could list my favorite 50 BAD movies of all time...except it changes day to day.
Worst movies- I really can't say. Like Zombie says, if it's really boring, and I forget about it the next day, that's bad. But there are films that are s**t that I remember just because they were s**t.
I know SINGLE ROOM FURNISHED(1966)  is on the top of the list.

It has Jayne Mansfield! But she doesn't do anything, or anybody else, except spout a quasi-psychological
can of fishing worms.
It sucks in the most boring way possible.
I was at least hoping to see a sex scene with Jayne! That's the only reason I watched it!
Never happens!
This was some kinda project she came up with to show her merit as a serious actor.
I respect and love Jayne Mansfield. She was smart. But-she couldn't act. Which is sad, because she was more than a body. She tried hard before she died to be taken serious. I bow to her.

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I might suggest failure of purpose as a good compromise between the two. Of course, then you'd need to know what the filmakers intended to do.

Or just how much you enjoyed it.

have you seen that doc about her later years on tubi?

^ No, I haven't. I may have to look that up. Thanks!

Can you tell me what happens in "Robo Vampires" and "Manos"??  Please, I need to know if I missed a scene or saw a different edit.

it's universally bad. Even everyone who worked on it thought so.  But thats the only reason I love it, it has A list actors (except Mz. Welch) who accepted the paycheck for this stink bomb.

Nothing. I saw the same versions you did.
I just enjoy them for the sheer insane audacity of the films.

Well, you don't get me.  Sure, it's bad.  And remarkable.  You did confess you "love watching this movie". 

I think maybe both those things combined

this is also why I think *intentionally* bad movies don't count... if you're winking at your audience then you've broken one of the 'rules' of good-bad movies (imo) - a rule that, ironically, can only be followed by not realising that rule exists!

There's a fine line like that imo. Shock humor breaks that a lot, sometimes it works like in Pink Flamingos; other times it doesn't like in Gross Out or Movie 43.

fair point. also there's the fact that one person's good-bad can be another's bad-bad... for example I think THE HOWLING PART 7 is amazing-bad, but most people seem to think it's bad in a bad way.

ultimately who knows  :question:

Damn straight

I unironically enjoy these movies. 

I think Kornula has a broad interest in films, and recognizes BAD.  But disliking a movie is just not enough reason to cite it as "worst of all time".  Other people's opinions are largely irrelevant, it's about what the viewer writing the list thinks.  If you know it's BAD and enjoy it, own it.  I think "worst" has got to at least approach "bad bad" as suggested above; no good for anybody.
 
I do think MANOS THE HANDS OF FATE is imminently forgettable.  It's inordinately dull.  It belongs on a 50 worst list to me, yet I have seen WORSE! 

Recently, a list of Movies that Roger Ebert HATED popped up in a Facebook feed. Naturally, I read it and was shocked the movies he haated.  they weren't bad.. nor memorable.. just eh.   

Everyone has reasons they find movies "bad".. or just bad all together.  I agree, there are worse movies than MANOS, THE HANDS OF FATE. 

I posted my personal list to generate a discussion.. which is happening.  :P

What is worse than Manos btw...and why.   

the reason I like MANOS is because it's just so surreal. Made by a fertilizer salesman!
Oh yeah-
TORGO!

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I hate LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT but I am forced to recognize:
a. It's actually a little good,
b. It's very important. 

"IT'S ALIVE!" (1969) which was made for TV is worse.  Why?  It is so long and oh so boring and... the best part is the first meandering 30 minutes to pad running time... MANOS is almost like a comedy, "IT'S ALIVE!" isn't funny at all.  And I watched it thrice. 

You know something, I forgot I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE. 

I have to mention this again, I watched ROBO VAMPIRES a year ago.   I don't remember anything about it at all except that it's Directed by Godfrey Ho.   My roommmate swears we did in fact watch it.    I guess my brain toally cored dumped all memory of ever watching it as a self preservation mechanism .

Weird, I also think I've watched the movie before, but I couldn't tell you a single thing about it. 

I hate that movie. 

It is a movie that was made with contempt IMHO.

^ I don't think anyone enjoys that movie, but it IS notorious for it's prolonged rape scene.
And that alone made it money. It was like a dare to horror movie fans who think going to taboo extremes makes a good film. I'm not 35 years old reading Fangoria magazine ads looking for the most disgusting movie ever made anymore. And I used to do it.
Personally, I think it's reprehensible garbage.

:thumbup:

I love I spit on your Grave. I identified with the woman. thats life


Creation of the Humanoids is amazing for the script. just the strangest take on the b movie, to have these long winded dialogues instead of lazer battles and so forth

"I am you"

http://youtu.be/xVgldYEoSoA?t=3043 (http://youtu.be/xVgldYEoSoA?t=3043)

If I remember right Ebert explicitly left out most b & z grade movies from his bad film lists. He felt it was poor sport to tear down a movie made with limited resources.

What part?  :question:
 The run of the mill revenge part? Or the misogynist rape part?
When that movie isn't boring, it's just disgusting.
Either way, it's bad- and not in any good way.

Read up on “I Spit on Your Grave” last year. Apparently the director found a woman who’d been raped, & he took her to the police. He wanted to show how brutal rape was.

I have no interest in seeing the film; from the plot description it sounds like he made several mistakes which could’ve made the main character less sympathetic than she should’ve been.

I completely agree with Ron, it's not boring.  Every moment counts.  It is disgusting.  I hate that crap, though the 2nd half revenge part is the "best" part of the film it is also the least graphic.  I don't understand what there is to relate to; revenge?  I can't understand "loving" it unless rape / murder is your gig.  

I don't have to read up on s**t . I know garbage when I smell it

One thing's for sure, it's  rape / murder garbage.  

life chews you up and spits you out. she is raped then finds and kills her attackers.

Does that make it a good movie?
If it was well made...but it's not. It's s**t.

Oh!  Is that what that movie is about?   :question:

And you said you like this movie.
I still have the same question...WHY?  It's not well made. There is no spooky music or any kind of suspense or real storyline. The acting is awful. It's just rape abuse kill. It's useless.
There is nothing enjoyable there.
What part of it did you ENJOY watching?   :question:
Yes. A woman gets raped and takes revenge. And in the worst low budget bulls**t way.
I have asked you this 3 times- and you have never given a straight answer.
It's an awful film. WHY DO YOU ENJOY IT?

I'm sad you like it.  :bluesad:

I only watched ISOYG once. I actually liked Camille Keaton's performance. what ruined it for me wasn't the subject matter or the style or anything like that... it was the mentally disabled guy who looked a bit like Rick Moranis.  his whole schtick was so over-the-top dumb that I wanted to slap my tv.

there are 3 remakes which came out post 2000... I've somehow seen 2 of them. kind of torture-porny iirc... not worth watching


haha... that's kind of an odd criticism? half the time I wish films would have less music like that, it can get overbearing very quick, and usually takes me out of the moment

But who wants to be in the moment of a gang rape?
I don't like torture porn if it takes place in 1976 or 2020.
Does not make an enjoyable movie for me.
Even if it's a bad movie, I want it to take me away. From s**t like this.
That's why I like FANTASY films.
If I wanna see s**t like that, I'll watch Nazi concentration camp movies.

Despite all the controversy, this is quite interesting

Really?

http://youtu.be/s22lNU5jXM4 (http://youtu.be/s22lNU5jXM4)

used like that it's perfect. of course. JAWS, dur nuh dur nuh dur nuh.... perfect.

I'm talking about when the score is used as a crutch and just drones on, which it does in many films.

either way, I've never seen 'lack of spooky music" used as a negative before....  whatever tho, it's all good   :thumbup:

I agree on music that just doesn't need to be there. FRANKENSTEIN (1931) has no score.
Yet BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN (1935) has a wonderful score by Max Stiener.
DRACULA (1931) had no score, beyond the Swan Lake opening title music. I bought a vhs tape that had Philip Glass (a talented musician) do a score for it.... that destroys the eerie silence that contributed to the too few good scenes it has.
DRACULA is not a good movie. After the first half hour, it goes downhill and becomes a stagy drawing room drama. Lugosi and Dwight Frye as Renfield save it from being total s**t.

Why did i enjoy it? what a weird question. I liked it because I didn't not like it.

why do you like chicken???

Because it's food and sh!t isn't.

The film was successful in the long run and is still notorious.  The question isn't weird.  You stating you "love" that film is weird. 


I would not compare the triple assault of a woman in lengthy detail, clearly violated in every way, with a chicken dinner.   :bluesad: :question:

We all can agree, for various personal reasons that I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE is a s**tty movie. 

Moving on, how many have braved the theater to watch CATS?   I went with a friend, knowing it was going to be bad. It was much worse than I expected.

I saw it. It was bad. Not very amusing, either, though I hear it might be better with a large group yelling back at the screen. I don't know if it was in the "50 worst of all time" bad. Maybe the worst movie backed by a major studio in 2019, though.

I wouldn't put Cats on a list of bad movies. 

I'd put it on a list of "Okay, what the hell is this?" movies.  There's a certain I don't know what, about it that seperates it from movies that are just "bad".

I spit on Your Grave is universally heralded as a horror classic. People who don't like it have to explain themselves, the mainstream, who see it as the classic that it is, do not.

Mainstream?   :bouncegiggle:  "Classic...?" :bouncegiggle:  "Universally heralded" TORTURE PORN!   :bouncegiggle: 

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^ I'm with Hallows on this one.
I have 56 books on horror films.
Hundreds, (no joke) magazines on the subject. NOT ONE have labeled  it as a classic of any kind. Even gore hounds hate it.
Name one source that says it is- just one.
I am not trying to be argumentive with you, Lester. I respect your taste in most films.
But this is a case where I think your diverting from everybody just for a response. Well, that worked, didn't it?  :lookingup:

Here's Roger Ebert's review of the film on it's release. And he's about as "mainstream" as you get.


https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/i-spit-on-your-grave-1980 (https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/i-spit-on-your-grave-1980)
If anything, Lester, I always enjoy you just saying s**t to p**s people off. You been doing that for years. Ain't you getting too old to continue this weird charade?
I mean, we all knew it was a joke from day one. It ain't funny no more.

not taking sides here but seeing as you ask, this one does:

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this author also coined the term "final girl"...

I think being told on badmovies.org that a movie you like is bad must be some kind of compliment  :bouncegiggle:

^ If the writer thinks I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE is good, I hope he or she enjoyed the film.
f**k 'EM.

 Having fun with a movie..enjoying it, laughing or crying or both-
This is not an enjoyable film on any level. Watching a woman get gang raped multiple times is not in any way fun to me. I'm sorry.

And if your proud and brag about enjoying it, well...I dunno. :bluesad:

can't speak for lester, but I reckon the 'revenge' aspect of the movie is crucial. I mean, I don't think anyone is supposed to 'enjoy' the rape scenes from a point if empathising with the rapists. I don't think anyone has ever suggested that... the villains don't dance away cackling into the night and the credits roll. the bad guys lose....

I understand that. I've seen the film. Yes, she gets revenge. Cuts a guys dick off in a bathtub.
Fact is, it mostly concentrates on her being raped. Not once. 3 TIMES.
A retarded guy is forced to rape a woman.  So much fun!  :hatred:
Do you find any kind of enjoyment- of any kind?- of watching this?
Sit down with a group of friends, or your girlfriend, or your wife. Watch it. See how good they think it is.
If you enjoy something this vile doesn't give you a badge of some kind.

personally I think as long as it's acting, and it's consensual among adults, then it's fair game to be depicted in a movie. that's my general stance.

where do you stand on STRAW DOGS?

I admit there are films out there whose plot I've read and I've decided point blank that I never want to see them. not even out of curiosity. A SERBIAN FILM for example. that's my choice. but I wouldn't slam anyone for deciding to watch it

Zombie no.one, I agree with you on A Serbian Movie. I refuse to watch it, after hearing some of the elements in it. For slightly different reasons I also won't watch The Human Centipede movies.

I've seen Straw Dogs and I Spit On Your Grave (original). Mostly I watched them because they were on a list of the most disturbing movies, or something along those lines (along with Driller Killer, Island of Death and Ichi the Killer), and I wanted to see why they were viewed as being so far out there. Most of them I watched and didn't see what the fuss was about (except Island of Death, that one is messed up).

 STRAW DOGS is well acted. A SERBIAN FILM I have no desire to see.
I actually enjoyed LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT. Mostly because of David Hess.
And the "Road Leads to Nowhere" song.
I dunno...I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE is just devoid of any entertainment value.
ISLAND OF DEATH was just too stupid to take serious. The bright red paint, I mean blood, was too dumb for me to take it for anything more than what it is- exploitive cartoon violence.
Lester, I'm sorry if I jumped on you just because of an opinion about an old movie.
It was boorish of me and stupid.
I am NOT sorry for saying the movie is s**t. Because it is in every way. I like BAD movies. This is not a BAD movie. It's useless.

I am okay with STRAW DOGS.  It reminds me of a John Waters movie ...but amped to 11.   

However, I am with you I cannot bring myself to watch THE SERBIAN FILM.  My roommmate has downloaded movies he's labled:  TOTALLY F'D  UP MOVIES. It is 100% accurately labled.  I saw LIFE AND DEATH OF A PORNO GANG.  It's been described to me as THE SERBIAN FILM but lite.   Porno gang is F'D UP.

Some films "bad" or otherwise generate an emotional response.  Lots of films have been re-assessed, some warrant such.  Critics now praising I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE is akin to critics now denigrating CITIZEN KANE.  It is a matter of taste.  As Bad movie lovers, we can appreciate bad taste, even tastelessness, but violence, rape and cruelty are not to my own taste. 

Another film that would be on my 'worst' list is BLOODSUCKING FREAKS (1976).
Not because it's disturbing, just because it's boring and stupid.
I had it on vhs. I dunno what happened to it. I think I just gave it to someone. And I paid money for it! In a nice clamshell box about 25 years ago! Waste of money I could have spent on whiskey or dog food.
And I didn't even have a dog!

:bouncegiggle: 
BLOODSUCKING FREAKS would be the caliber of fans of THAT film (blood sucking freaks).  It's 2 redeeming graces are that it's so cheapo lame and fake... and it involves no rape. 

I guess we all seem to be on the same page with that one then...



it's weird, David Hess plays more or less the same character in that as he does in HOUSE ON THE EDGE OF THE PARK and HITCH HIKE but for some reason I can't stand him in those 2 films, but I like him in LAST HOUSE...  :question:

That's because HOUSE ON THE EDGE OF THE PARK is just plain dumb.  The other must be comparable. 

I Spit on your Grave is one of those movies that it's both good and bad, but the baggage with it makes it uncomfortable. I would put an asterisk by it for the list, maybe as an honorable mention.

I don't care if Marlon Brando is in the scenes before or after half an hour of a woman being brutally victimized.
It's useless. It's not in any way entertaining, and I will not give any more written space on this piece of s**t.
Though I just did... :bluesad:

MARLON BRANDO? 

Ok...Vilma Banky?  :question:

Bloodsucking Freaks will always have a special place in my heart.  Back in my military days, it was one of my go-to movies to show friends.   It wasn't because I liked it, it was just because it tended to get a reaction out of people.  That kinda cemented my status as the guy that had just really weird taste in movies. 

Children Shouldn't Play with Dead Things got a similar reaction out of people, although it wasn't nearly as enjoyable.

dumb, maybe... but LAST HOUSE is not exactly a conceptual brain-stretching excercise either. his character in it just seems to work better imo

HOUSE ON THE EDGE OF THE PARK didn't work for me, either.
No chainsaw revenge, maybe?

haha, maybe...

I put off checking it out until I knew that I was watching the fully uncut version.. and was then amazed at how tame it was

The important distinction is HOUSE ON THE EDGE OF THE PARK  is   just   plain   dumb. 

Bloodsucking Freaks will always have a special place in my heart.  Back in my military days, it was one of my go-to movies to show friends.   It wasn't because I liked it, it was just because it tended to get a reaction out of people.  That kinda cemented my status as the guy that had just really weird taste in movies. 

Children Shouldn't Play with Dead Things got a similar reaction out of people, although it wasn't nearly as enjoyable.
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It almost sounds like you put in BLOODSUCKING FREAKS if you want your friends to leave...   

Bloodsucking Freaks also has a special place in my heart. It was the most deranged movie at my local video store growing up.

The same director also made "the Career Bed" which is awesome

Is CAREER BED the Harvey Wienstien story?

Kornula - basically


also can't forget She freak with its real time shots of people setting up circus tents because that's just so fascinating

^ I quite enjoyed SHE FREAK!

EDIT: Who am I kidding?
I love SHE FREAK!

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SHE FREAK  kinda reminds me of Hatchetface in CRYBABY (the John Waters movie)   

Granted, I re watched it tonight.. so it's fresh on my mind.