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Title: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Zapranoth on January 20, 2021, 11:08:32 AM
Yeah, less than an hour left.  Enjoy your upcoming legal troubles.
Always knew you were a man of convictions.   (Not conviction.  Multiple convictions.)

You completely disgraced us before the world, you threw down science when we needed it most, and you lined your pockets at warp speed, enabled your cronies, took a hearty dump on law and tradition and dignity.   You showed us in high definition much of what is most ugly about our country right now.

You increased my personal suffering and made my work harder these months of the pandemic, and your negligence, selfishness and soullessness brought us to 400,000 deaths by your last day.
As a physician, I hate all the things you did not do for us, that I needed you to do for us.   All the things you said that go against all that I try to accomplish in my work each day and in this last year.

So now, we can move forward.  Thank God for that.
We can have more diversity of leadership.   Science is back in the chat.  Thank God for that.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Allhallowsday on January 20, 2021, 11:41:42 AM
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/GMI7us6hJ8eo8/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e474vs4r2fkvb91ibuprugkkqm47pk0fptjvdoer5vd&rid=giphy.gif)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: claws on January 20, 2021, 12:03:22 PM
Good riddance


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Zapranoth on January 20, 2021, 12:35:45 PM
Note that Speaker Pelosi has her own Trump-impeaching outfit.

(http://preview.redd.it/vfqu3ixkq6b61.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=49e3f3268e3bfcf1ddfefc078ef5973fe5a250d4)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on January 20, 2021, 12:43:33 PM
He's gone. Finally.
I just watched Biden sworn in.  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on January 20, 2021, 01:20:22 PM
I'm so happy I wanna dance!  :smile:

http://youtu.be/X5oUhUyLqow (http://youtu.be/X5oUhUyLqow)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Alex on January 20, 2021, 01:37:00 PM
Having a US beer to celebrate.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Rev. Powell on January 20, 2021, 01:58:26 PM
My greatest hope is that, with Trump not doing something outrageous every couple of days, politics (and life in general) will get boring and we'll go back to using this space to discuss (mostly) bad movies.  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: chainsaw midget on January 20, 2021, 02:15:39 PM
As a better person than me once said "Na Na NaNaNaNa Hey hey-ey.  Goodbye."


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on January 20, 2021, 02:18:39 PM
As a better person than me once said "Na Na NaNaNaNa Hey hey-ey.  Goodbye."


http://youtu.be/46YFV0fCG30 (http://youtu.be/46YFV0fCG30)

I don't think they're better than you. I know this song by them- that's it. But I talk to you in person!


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Allhallowsday on January 20, 2021, 02:31:33 PM
I'm so happy I wanna dance!  :smile:...

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/GMI7us6hJ8eo8/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e474vs4r2fkvb91ibuprugkkqm47pk0fptjvdoer5vd&rid=giphy.gif)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: chainsaw midget on January 20, 2021, 02:33:41 PM
As a better person than me once said "Na Na NaNaNaNa Hey hey-ey.  Goodbye."


[url]http://youtu.be/46YFV0fCG30[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/46YFV0fCG30[/url])

I don't think they're better than you. I know this song by them- that's it. But I talk to you in person!

Why thank you, RC.  I appreciate that.   :thumbup:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Alex on January 20, 2021, 03:03:17 PM
Scotland's First Ministers verdict on trump leaving office.

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2021/01/20/a-dona-t-haste-ye-backa-a-nicola-sturgeona-s-message-to-d/ (https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2021/01/20/a-dona-t-haste-ye-backa-a-nicola-sturgeona-s-message-to-d/)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: kornula on January 20, 2021, 05:17:23 PM
and hello actual facsim.



Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: bob on January 20, 2021, 07:06:33 PM
*waits for LilCerberus to get all p**sed off *


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: indianasmith on January 20, 2021, 10:38:46 PM
He did not make American great again.
He made us meaner, angrier, dumber, and more divided than we have been since 1861.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: lester1/2jr on January 20, 2021, 11:38:44 PM
My main area of interest is economy and foreign policy. On the first area he did okay but so have all presidents since like 1980.

On foreign policy he really sucked. He went to North Korea but the peace deal never happened. remember all that? The Venezuela revolution didn't come off, sanctioning Iran and their long suffering people into oblivion didn't have any effect, and we still have troops in Afghanistan and all these places

He did a lot of favors for Saudi Arabia and Israel which is good if you are a big supporter of those countries, but we've already done a lot for them and its not like they were gonna go anywhere. congrats to those guys on their greatest 4 years ever! like kids in a candy store



Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Trevor on January 21, 2021, 02:06:14 AM
To be serious for a moment: I trust my USA family will benefit from the new person in the White House and that things will go better for the USA from now on.  :smile:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: claws on January 21, 2021, 06:50:33 AM
God Bless America

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Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on January 22, 2021, 12:42:27 AM
and hello actual facsim.


You wouldn't know  the meaning of facism if it sat on your head.


(https://i.imgur.com/NgDeiBy.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: claws on January 22, 2021, 01:00:07 AM
Isn't that the picture that inspired Trump to do the wall at the Mexican border?


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on January 22, 2021, 01:11:36 AM
Calling something " facism" before anything even happens is just plain moronic.
Like that QAnon woman who wants to impeach Biden on his first day.
That's just apes**t.

https://newschannel9.com/news/local/rep-greene-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-president-biden


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Rev. Powell on January 22, 2021, 08:54:18 AM
If you rub it in, of course they're going to lash out. This chapter is in the history books, let's move on.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on January 22, 2021, 11:58:04 AM
If you rub it in, of course they're going to lash out. This chapter is in the history books, let's move on.
It's not history. It's still here.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: ralfy on January 23, 2021, 02:13:05 AM
He's part of a country that has been employing neoconservatism and neoliberalism since 1982.

Neoconservatism refers to the ideology that encourages "freedom and democracy" in other countries but with the actual intent of controlling their natural resources and gaining economic and military advantages. Examples include support for right-wing dictatorships, funding terrorist groups, destabilization through activities such as low intensity conflict (funding opposition groups), assassination, and others. These have been going on since the end of WW2.

Neoliberalism refers to the use of economic policies to favor the rich and to force other countries to open up their economies for exploitation. Examples include deregulation which allows the rich to engage in more financial gambling, giving them bailout money for free if they get into trouble, and using institutions like the IMF and the WB to provide financial aid or loans with strings attached: borrowers must keep taxes high and spending for necessities (like public health care and education) low, and allow foreign companies to do business at the expense of weak, local companies that can't compete. Politicians started promoting this ideology during the 1970s, when the U.S. realized that they could weaponize money to make sure that weak allies remained weak and dependent on them.

Presidents from Reagan to Trump promoted both, and it's likely that Biden will do the same. Based on his past speeches across more than forty years, it appears that he is also a warmonger, just like Bush and Obama, and favors police action. (The U.S. has been employing the latter through one of the largest prison systems in the world and surveillance methods which include Big Tech and other governments participating.)

These Presidents and politicians from both parties are part of what was called "the Establishment" decades ago. Trump calls it "the swamp" but it's the same group of long-term politicians and government officials from both parties promoting both ideologies in favor of the rich, including Wall Street bankers. Biden, together with Harris, Clinton, Bush, and many others are part of that group of "power elites" which essentially work for the rich.

The rich favor both ideologies because it protects the U.S. dollar (both as a reserve currency and as the petrodollar, i.e., given oil priced in dollars) and their own interests. Even Trump gained from these when he experienced business problems through provisions favoring the rich started in Reagan's term, and seen in the Bush, Obama, and his own administration.

The same rich control most of media in the U.S., social networks, large businesses and banks, the defense industry, money supply, and basically much of the economy. That's why the government and both political parties can't challenge them. Even the public relies on them for credit.



Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on January 23, 2021, 08:17:56 AM
^ Well! That settles that, I reckon!

(https://i.imgur.com/C5i9i95.gif) (https://lunapic.com)
Don't be so bleak, man!
Chin up, old bean!

Michigan is giving away pot!
If this trend goes nationwide,- no riots!
You'll be at home watching Jimi Hendrix on you tube and eating delivered tacos!

http://www.cnn.com/2021/01/23/us/michigan-marijuana-free-weed-vaccine-trnd/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2021/01/23/us/michigan-marijuana-free-weed-vaccine-trnd/index.html)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Allhallowsday on January 26, 2021, 08:13:30 PM
Anthony Fauci Finally Reveals What He Was Thinking When Trump Suggested Bleach

“Then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute,” Trump said in April. “Is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that.”

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/anthony-fauci-trump-bleach-coronavirus-045520387.html (https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/anthony-fauci-trump-bleach-coronavirus-045520387.html) 

“I just said, ‘Oh, my goodness gracious,’” he said on CNN. “I could just see what’s going to happen: You’re going to have people who hear that from the president and they’re going to start doing dangerous and foolish things.”

Fauci said he and others in public health immediately attempted to counter the president’s comments, with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warning people about the use of bleach and Fauci himself issuing similar advice

Trump later claimed he was being “sarcastic.” However, Fauci’s fear came true: Trump’s comments were followed by a rise in accidental poisonings involving disinfectants such as bleach... 



Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Allhallowsday on January 27, 2021, 08:55:25 AM
I'm A First-Generation Indian American Woman. I Married Into A Family Of Trump Supporters.



https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/in-laws-trump-supporters-capitol-130000528.html (https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/in-laws-trump-supporters-capitol-130000528.html)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Allhallowsday on January 27, 2021, 10:01:52 AM
boogaloo!  3 percenters! qanon!  proud boys! 

Gun toting unappreciative privileged spoiled deluded white supremacy! 


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on January 27, 2021, 10:37:35 AM
John! Chill, my friend.

http://youtu.be/CTUsFm0BAu8 (http://youtu.be/CTUsFm0BAu8)

Let it all go at least for a moment.





Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Rev. Powell on January 27, 2021, 10:54:08 AM
John! Chill, my friend.

[url]http://youtu.be/CTUsFm0BAu8[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/CTUsFm0BAu8[/url])

Let it all go at least for a moment.






I agree with RC.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Allhallowsday on January 27, 2021, 11:32:59 AM
John! Chill, my friend.
...
Let it all go at least for a moment.

I agree with RC.

For the moment. 


John! Chill, my friend.
[url]http://youtu.be/CTUsFm0BAu8[/url] ([url]https://youtu.be/CTUsFm0BAu8[/url])
Let it all go at least for a moment.


Nope!  I watched 3 hours of that crap last night on VICE News and CNN.  It's loathsome, frightening, and disgusting.  

And by the way, don't bother taking the "s" out of your hyperlinks.  Just paste the link and highlight as a hyperlink. I had to do that to see you had posted TEN YEARS AFTER:  

http://youtu.be/CTUsFm0BAu8]https://youtu.be/CTUsFm0BAu8]http://youtu.be/CTUsFm0BAu8 (https://youtu.be/CTUsFm0BAu8)  

And to quote you I must point out that you are... fickle :

If you rub it in, of course they're going to lash out. This chapter is in the history books, let's move on.

It's not history. It's still here.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on January 27, 2021, 01:01:05 PM
^ Yes, the legacy of Trump will have aftershocks for years. But It seems like a good  thing to chill.
If only for a minute to catch a breath.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Allhallowsday on January 27, 2021, 01:14:16 PM
^ Yes, the legacy of Trump will have aftershocks for years. But It seems like a good  thing to chill.
If only for a minute to catch a breath.

I admit watching those news programs last night got me wound up.  And your remark wasn't a week ago... 


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on January 27, 2021, 01:37:35 PM
^ It could have been 5 days ago. I dunno. I'm exhausted from all this s**t.  :bluesad:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Zapranoth on January 27, 2021, 02:36:34 PM
You'll note that my original post in this thread was just a bunch of statements about my own reaction to Trump, and what his specific leadership did in my life, and how it was germane to my daily work.

I'm so glad he's gone.
The problems for which he is a figurehead have not gone, but are more in the light now and are more a part of daily talk.

But, we have a chance to turn the tiller to a new direction now.   Here's to hoping that we can sustain it.  We have to change the very basics of how our economic system damages our biosphere, before it's too late.

I totally understand John being bent out of shape.

For my part, I:

1.  Quit my one social medium (facebook),
2.  Watch no broadcast news (which I have not done, for decades)
3.  Don't talk to my wingnut-rightie relatives (which I generally have not done for decades either).

I refuse to go through my day getting bent out of shape by stuff I bring on myself, at least much as I can be mindful of that.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Allhallowsday on January 27, 2021, 04:07:20 PM
You'll note that my original post in this thread was just a bunch of statements about my own reaction to Trump, and what his specific leadership did in my life, and how it was germane to my daily work.
I'm so glad he's gone.
The problems for which he is a figurehead have not gone, but are more in the light now and are more a part of daily talk.
But, we have a chance to turn the tiller to a new direction now.   Here's to hoping that we can sustain it.  We have to change the very basics of how our economic system damages our biosphere, before it's too late.
I totally understand John being bent out of shape.
For my part, I:
1.  Quit my one social medium (facebook),
2.  Watch no broadcast news (which I have not done, for decades)
3.  Don't talk to my wingnut-rightie relatives (which I generally have not done for decades either).
I refuse to go through my day getting bent out of shape by stuff I bring on myself, at least much as I can be mindful of that.

I'm not bent out of shape.  I'm learning. 
I belong to fnckfacebook but I almost never use it unless I get notice of some friend's birthday.
I only watch the evening news for 1/2 hour before Jeopardy.   Lots of commercials and generally boring. 
Fortunately, the few wingnuts in my own family I never discuss politics with; and rarely religion too. 


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on January 31, 2021, 03:06:58 AM
^ Yes, the legacy of Trump will have aftershocks for years. But It seems like a good  thing to chill.
If only for a minute to catch a breath.

I admit watching those news programs last night got me wound up.  And your remark wasn't a week ago... 

I stopped watching TV news waaaaaay back in April and I've been chill as a refrigerated cucumber these past 9 months, even when COVID blazed through the lab and quarantined all but 3 of us back in October. I can't even watch that noise (let's call it that instead of "news") anymore, much less read the newspapers, because...well...


(https://33.media.tumblr.com/e9d96273269e14513858c4594a69f452/tumblr_msjnlxTm7X1sh2fspo1_500.gif)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: ralfy on February 06, 2021, 08:33:47 AM
"The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election" (https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/)



Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Alex on February 06, 2021, 09:42:33 AM
Interesting read.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 06, 2021, 03:47:47 PM
"The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election" (https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/)



The author, Molly Ball, is going to commit suicide Hillary Clinton-style for spilling the beans on their secret plans like this.

Quote
Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears. They executed national public-awareness campaigns that helped Americans understand how the vote count would unfold over days or weeks, preventing Trump’s conspiracy theories and false claims of victory from getting more traction. After Election Day, they monitored every pressure point to ensure that Trump could not overturn the result. “The untold story of the election is the thousands of people of both parties who accomplished the triumph of American democracy at its very foundation,” says Norm Eisen, a prominent lawyer and former Obama Administration official who recruited Republicans and Democrats to the board of the Voter Protection Program.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: indianasmith on February 06, 2021, 10:38:07 PM
Honestly, everything they did was perfectly legal. A conspiracy to influence the election?  Sure.
So is EVERY CAMPAIGN EVER.  This one just goes to show how much the people who truly understand how our government works wanted to be rid of the Trump cancer.  He was the biggest threat to our Republic since the Civil War, the closest thing in history to a true American fascist.

Good riddance.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 07, 2021, 04:28:39 AM
Honestly, everything they did was perfectly legal. A conspiracy to influence the election?  Sure.
So is EVERY CAMPAIGN EVER.  This one just goes to show how much the people who truly understand how our government works wanted to be rid of the Trump cancer.  He was the biggest threat to our Republic since the Civil War, the closest thing in history to a true American fascist.

Good riddance.

Fraud is never “perfectly legal.”


"You'll regret this, and you may regret this a lot sooner than you think." - Senator Mitch McConnell, 2013


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: chainsaw midget on February 07, 2021, 10:37:50 AM
Honestly, everything they did was perfectly legal. A conspiracy to influence the election?  Sure.
So is EVERY CAMPAIGN EVER.  This one just goes to show how much the people who truly understand how our government works wanted to be rid of the Trump cancer.  He was the biggest threat to our Republic since the Civil War, the closest thing in history to a true American fascist.

Good riddance.

Fraud is never “perfectly legal.”


"You'll regret this, and you may regret this a lot sooner than you think." - Senator Mitch McConnell, 2013
What part of any of that was fraud?


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 07, 2021, 11:03:45 AM
^ Yes, the legacy of Trump will have aftershocks for years. But It seems like a good  thing to chill.
If only for a minute to catch a breath.

I admit watching those news programs last night got me wound up.  And your remark wasn't a week ago...  

I stopped watching TV news waaaaaay back in April and I've been chill as a refrigerated cucumber these past 9 months, even when COVID blazed through the lab and quarantined all but 3 of us back in October. I can't even watch that noise (let's call it that instead of "news") anymore, much less read the newspapers, because...well...


(https://33.media.tumblr.com/e9d96273269e14513858c4594a69f452/tumblr_msjnlxTm7X1sh2fspo1_500.gif)

So you don't read the papers or watch the news. Where do you get your information from? Outer space transmissions from God? Bulls**t. Of course you watch the news. Your lying through your teeth.
I call bulls**t.
You watch the news and bend it so it fits your views.
And quoting Mitch McConnell will not help you argument.

PS- Denzel was the bad guy in that movie, remember?


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 07, 2021, 07:01:41 PM
^ Yes, the legacy of Trump will have aftershocks for years. But It seems like a good  thing to chill.
If only for a minute to catch a breath.

I admit watching those news programs last night got me wound up.  And your remark wasn't a week ago...  

I stopped watching TV news waaaaaay back in April and I've been chill as a refrigerated cucumber these past 9 months, even when COVID blazed through the lab and quarantined all but 3 of us back in October. I can't even watch that noise (let's call it that instead of "news") anymore, much less read the newspapers, because...well...


(https://33.media.tumblr.com/e9d96273269e14513858c4594a69f452/tumblr_msjnlxTm7X1sh2fspo1_500.gif)

So you don't read the papers or watch the news. Where do you get your information from? Outer space transmissions from God? Bulls**t. Of course you watch the news. Your lying through your teeth.
I call bulls**t.
You watch the news and bend it so it fits your views.
And quoting Mitch McConnell will not help you argument.

PS- Denzel was the bad guy in that movie, remember?

Sober up before you read, RC. I said that I don't watch *TV news* anymore, nor do I read *newspapers*. Yes, I get my news online like a lot of other people do, but I have more control over what I can read online, instead of having it filtered and spoonfed into my brain like what you apparently get from CNN and MSNBC, which is undoubtedly the only two news sources that you subscribe to, judging by what you regularly post in here. Is what Mitch McConnell said in 2013 not the truth? Did the Democrats not regret it just a scant 3 years later when Republicans took back the 3 branches of government for a short time? You're still whining about those repercussions now!

Ask yourself this question too: What events transpired that led up to that 2016 takeover? Are they similar events to what is going on right now under this Puppet Biden's administration? Think about that.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 07, 2021, 07:16:43 PM
WTF are you babbling about now?  :question:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: claws on February 07, 2021, 07:33:17 PM
WTF are you babbling about now?  :question:


(https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/GettyImages-1228996391-4x3-1.jpg?w=575)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 07, 2021, 08:51:14 PM
WTF are you babbling about now?  :question:


(https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/GettyImages-1228996391-4x3-1.jpg?w=575)


Those are all bad things...right?  :question:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: indianasmith on February 07, 2021, 10:54:51 PM
Holy cow!

I just had a friend on FB tell me:  "The Supreme Court is still reviewing the votes in 3 states.  Trump could still be President!"

I'm just . . . stunned at the sheer stupidity of that statement   Does she really believe this?  I mean, she could just be trolling me.
But . . . if a voting adult in the USA truly believes that the Supreme Court is going to invalidate an election a month after the new President takes office, and stick his defeated opponent back in there . . . our country is hopeless.

Idiocracy has arrived.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 08, 2021, 03:13:07 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtluDcCXUAUc5zj?format=png&name=small)

interesting that there was a link between all this and protesters, who agreed not to rampage between the election and inauguration


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 08, 2021, 06:29:46 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtluDcCXUAUc5zj?format=png&name=small)

interesting that there was a link between all this and protesters, who agreed not to rampage between the election and inauguration

Only funding can do that. So who was funding the protesters? This is just an example of how these protesters get some of their funding; look at where it all started with BLM:

Quote
Some of the biggest donors on the left plan to meet behind closed doors next week in Washington with leaders of the Black Lives Matter movement and their allies to discuss funding the burgeoning protest movement, POLITICO has learned.

The meetings are taking place at the annual winter gathering of the Democracy Alliance major liberal donor club, which runs from Tuesday evening through Saturday morning and is expected to draw Democratic financial heavyweights, including Tom Steyer and Paul Egerman.


The DA, as the club is known in Democratic circles, is recommending its donors step up check writing to a handful of endorsed groups that have supported the Black Lives Matter movement. And the club and some of its members also are considering ways to funnel support directly to scrappier local groups that have utilized confrontational tactics to inject their grievances into the political debate.

It’s a potential partnership that could elevate the Black Lives Matter movement and heighten its impact. But it’s also fraught with tension on both sides, sources tell POLITICO.

The various outfits that comprise the diffuse Black Lives Matter movement prize their independence. Some make a point of not asking for donations. They bristle at any suggestion that they’re susceptible to being co-opted by a deep-pocketed national group ― let alone one with such close ties to the Democratic Party establishment like the Democracy Alliance.

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/major-donors-consider-funding-black-lives-matter-215814 (https://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/major-donors-consider-funding-black-lives-matter-215814)

But as everybody knows, everybody has a price. Give them enough money, and they'll always come around eventually.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Allhallowsday on February 09, 2021, 06:24:35 PM
Speaking of price : 


A Capitol riot suspect known as the 'QAnon Shaman' said he was 'deeply disappointed' in Trump for not being 'honorable'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/capitol-riot-suspect-known-qanon-070146912.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/capitol-riot-suspect-known-qanon-070146912.html) 

... A Capitol riot suspect known as the "QAnon Shaman" said he was "deeply disappointed" in former President Donald Trump for not being "honorable."

"I have to leave judging him up to other people," Jacob Chansley said in a statement. "I deeply regret and am sorry that I entered the Capitol building on January 6, 2021. I should not have been there."

Chansley was arrested three days after the insurrection on January 6 and charged with civil disorder, obstruction, and disorderly conduct. He has previously said he felt played by the former president and indicated interest in testifying during Trump's impeachment trial, which begins on Tuesday.

His attorney Albert Watkins appeared on CNN Monday night to condemn the former president for the "Trump talk" and propaganda that created the "environment" ahead of January 6... 



Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 10, 2021, 03:17:27 AM
Speaking of price : 


A Capitol riot suspect known as the 'QAnon Shaman' said he was 'deeply disappointed' in Trump for not being 'honorable'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/capitol-riot-suspect-known-qanon-070146912.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/capitol-riot-suspect-known-qanon-070146912.html) 

... A Capitol riot suspect known as the "QAnon Shaman" said he was "deeply disappointed" in former President Donald Trump for not being "honorable."

"I have to leave judging him up to other people," Jacob Chansley said in a statement. "I deeply regret and am sorry that I entered the Capitol building on January 6, 2021. I should not have been there."

Chansley was arrested three days after the insurrection on January 6 and charged with civil disorder, obstruction, and disorderly conduct. He has previously said he felt played by the former president and indicated interest in testifying during Trump's impeachment trial, which begins on Tuesday.

His attorney Albert Watkins appeared on CNN Monday night to condemn the former president for the "Trump talk" and propaganda that created the "environment" ahead of January 6... 



One of those "credible witnesses", eh? They seriously considering bringing in a guy who just attacked the building last month to testify on their behalf? Yeah, what could possibly go wrong?  :teddyr:

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-02-2015/yH72fA.gif)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Alex on February 10, 2021, 03:27:54 AM
So you don't think that someone who was there and took part in the events should be called to testify. I almost fell off my chair laughing at that. Good job you are not a lawyer.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 10, 2021, 05:13:39 AM
You can argue with Zelmo all day long-he's like a broken door knob.
You try to open the door-but the doorknob comes off in your hand and you end up screaming at a door.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 10, 2021, 05:43:28 AM
So you don't think that someone who was there and took part in the events should be called to testify. I almost fell off my chair laughing at that. Good job you are not a lawyer.

Did you even read the article?

Quote
"For people like Jake, for millions of Americans, they truly did hang on every word of their president, our president, the person that we permitted day-in, day-out to speak to us in ways and in fashions that simply weren't true," Watkins told CNN's Chris Cuomo.

Watkins went on to describe the "process of unwinding" that his client had to go through while he was in police custody - which he likened to being deprogrammed from a cult.


A brainwashed dildo testifying against the guy that "brainwashed" him, undoubtedly cutting a deal to reduce his jail time. This entire "trial" is a big f'ing joke, and the fact that you are lending credence to this nimrod only makes you look like the bigger fool. "Oh poor me! Trump made me attack the Capitol Building! Please disregard the fact that the FBI knew about the attack months in advance," said the QAnon Shaman.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 10, 2021, 05:47:12 AM
WTF are you babbling about?

 :question:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Alex on February 10, 2021, 05:49:02 AM
So you don't think that someone who was there and took part in the events should be called to testify. I almost fell off my chair laughing at that. Good job you are not a lawyer.

Did you even read the article?

Quote
"For people like Jake, for millions of Americans, they truly did hang on every word of their president, our president, the person that we permitted day-in, day-out to speak to us in ways and in fashions that simply weren't true," Watkins told CNN's Chris Cuomo.

Watkins went on to describe the "process of unwinding" that his client had to go through while he was in police custody - which he likened to being deprogrammed from a cult.


A brainwashed dildo testifying against the guy that "brainwashed" him, undoubtedly cutting a deal to reduce his jail time. This entire "trial" is a big f'ing joke, and the fact that you are lending credence to this nimrod only makes you look like the bigger fool. "Oh poor me! Trump made me attack the Capitol Building! Please disregard the fact that the FBI knew about the attack months in advance," said the QAnon Shaman.  :cheers:

Yes I read the article. It doesn't actually mention them summoning him as a witness, just that he was willing to testify and thus in no way backs up your arguement.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 10, 2021, 05:52:22 AM
Zelmo- your credibility on this board is close to zero. Quit while your ahead.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Alex on February 10, 2021, 05:54:09 AM
Zelmo- your credibility on this board is close to zero. Quit while your ahead.

RC, don't forget that he did declare that anyone who posted links from a particular news source has no credibility only to have it pointed out to him that it was a source he himself had linked. I think you overestimate his credibility.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 10, 2021, 05:57:22 AM
I know, Alex.  :bluesad:
He just likes to push buttons.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Alex on February 10, 2021, 05:58:41 AM
He does push the one that makes me laugh at him a lot.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 10, 2021, 06:07:55 AM
He's crazy as a bed bug. If he had any brains he would be dangerous. He couldn't tell s**t from apple butter.If he had twins he would ask the doctor "Which one is mine?"

When he was born the doctor turned him over to slap his ass and said "twins!"



Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Alex on February 10, 2021, 07:23:09 AM
Remind you of anyone?

(https://i.imgur.com/pc2ayL9.jpg)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 10, 2021, 11:10:46 AM
So you don't think that someone who was there and took part in the events should be called to testify. I almost fell off my chair laughing at that. Good job you are not a lawyer.

Did you even read the article?

Quote
"For people like Jake, for millions of Americans, they truly did hang on every word of their president, our president, the person that we permitted day-in, day-out to speak to us in ways and in fashions that simply weren't true," Watkins told CNN's Chris Cuomo.

Watkins went on to describe the "process of unwinding" that his client had to go through while he was in police custody - which he likened to being deprogrammed from a cult.


A brainwashed dildo testifying against the guy that "brainwashed" him, undoubtedly cutting a deal to reduce his jail time. This entire "trial" is a big f'ing joke, and the fact that you are lending credence to this nimrod only makes you look like the bigger fool. "Oh poor me! Trump made me attack the Capitol Building! Please disregard the fact that the FBI knew about the attack months in advance," said the QAnon Shaman.  :cheers:

Yes I read the article. It doesn't actually mention them summoning him as a witness, just that he was willing to testify and thus in no way backs up your arguement.

I didn’t say that he was testifying either, I was merely answering your question. Perhaps you need to cite the definition of the term “cutting a deal” in order to comprehend what I’m saying?

Quote
Offer or arrange an agreement or compromise, as in “The administration is hoping to cut a deal with Japan”. This expression uses deal in the sense of “business transaction.” [Colloquial; 1970s]

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cut--a--deal (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cut--a--deal)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Alex on February 10, 2021, 11:18:14 AM

One of those "credible witnesses", eh? They seriously considering bringing in a guy who just attacked the building last month to testify on their behalf? Yeah, what could possibly go wrong?  :teddyr:

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-02-2015/yH72fA.gif)


Ah, but you did. I've even highlighted it for your convenience. Kind of indicates you believe that that they are going to use him as a witness. It doesn't say that they are doing that in the article, as I mentioned before, but let's face it you do have a track record for reading things into comments that aren't there, so you'll have to excuse the rest of us if we kind of have to point these obvious things out to you.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 10, 2021, 07:11:20 PM

One of those "credible witnesses", eh? They seriously considering bringing in a guy who just attacked the building last month to testify on their behalf? Yeah, what could possibly go wrong?  :teddyr:

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-02-2015/yH72fA.gif)


Ah, but you did. I've even highlighted it for your convenience. Kind of indicates you believe that that they are going to use him as a witness. It doesn't say that they are doing that in the article, as I mentioned before, but let's face it you do have a track record for reading things into comments that aren't there, so you'll have to excuse the rest of us if we kind of have to point these obvious things out to you.


Since when is a question mark *?* a statement, Alex? I asked if they were seriously considering bringing in a guy that just attacked the Capitol building to testify on their behalf, and then *you* asked me if I don’t think that a person that was there and took part in the events should be called in to testify. So you apparently believe that this moron is a credible witness because Orange Man Bad convinced him to do something that day. Odd considering that the FBI had apparently known that QAnon Shaman was going to do something there months in advance.  :cheers:

I see what you are trying to do here, Alex. Your problem is that you are not as smart as you like to think that you are.  :teddyr:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: El Misfit on February 10, 2021, 09:16:16 PM
Don't worry your head off Zelmo, I see what you're doing.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 11, 2021, 01:09:46 AM
Myself- meh. f**k Zelmo and everything he stands up for.
f**k cockroaches and bed bugs too! And lady bugs! f**k them too!
( I'm sorry what I said about lady bugs. They get annoying in the time of year when all of a sudden they want to attack my house, but they don't do any real problem. Lady bugs.)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Alex on February 11, 2021, 04:40:30 AM

One of those "credible witnesses", eh? They seriously considering bringing in a guy who just attacked the building last month to testify on their behalf? Yeah, what could possibly go wrong?  :teddyr:

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-02-2015/yH72fA.gif)


Ah, but you did. I've even highlighted it for your convenience. Kind of indicates you believe that that they are going to use him as a witness. It doesn't say that they are doing that in the article, as I mentioned before, but let's face it you do have a track record for reading things into comments that aren't there, so you'll have to excuse the rest of us if we kind of have to point these obvious things out to you.


Since when is a question mark *?* a statement, Alex? I asked if they were seriously considering bringing in a guy that just attacked the Capitol building to testify on their behalf, and then *you* asked me if I don’t think that a person that was there and took part in the events should be called in to testify. So you apparently believe that this moron is a credible witness because Orange Man Bad convinced him to do something that day. Odd considering that the FBI had apparently known that QAnon Shaman was going to do something there months in advance.  :cheers:

I see what you are trying to do here, Alex. Your problem is that you are not as smart as you like to think that you are.  :teddyr:

Oh I am as smart as I think I am. Not genius level, but hey I am smarter than you, which is one of the reasons I don't take you seriously. Go through your old posts, have a look at the number of times you've been wrong if you need some proof. I mean you are the guy who thought he was blowing peoples minds when all he was doing was providing amusement, you said trump would win the election, you've claimed a worldwide pandemic is no big deal regardless of the number of people it kills. There isn't much right about you at all.

If by saying you see what I am trying to do, if you mean mocking you and having a laugh at your expense then yes, you'd be right.

One thing to remember, the QAnon shaman supported the same guy you did. He also agrees with you on Covid and vaccines. Not credible indeed. The more you denounce him, the more you denounce your own beliefs.   :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: indianasmith on February 11, 2021, 08:56:10 AM
Myself- meh. f**k Zelmo and everything he stands up for.
f**k cockroaches and bed bugs too! And lady bugs! f**k them too!
( I'm sorry what I said about lady bugs. They get annoying in the time of year when all of a sudden they want to attack my house, but they don't do any real problem. Lady bugs.)

Are you still OK with gentleman bugs?


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 11, 2021, 09:21:08 AM
^ If they keep the lady bugs busy ballroom dancing and not clinging to my kitchen window- yeah!


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 11, 2021, 09:48:06 AM
Reminder: no personal attacks. That's when we cross from debate into flamewar and locked thread.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 11, 2021, 11:06:09 AM
I  retract all my vile s**t I said about lady bugs.
I love ladybugs. I want them to cover my body and seep into all my orfices.
Like the cockroaches in CREEPSHOW!

(https://i.imgur.com/zMYlRlV.gif) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 11, 2021, 03:37:04 PM
Reminder: no personal attacks. That's when we cross from debate into flamewar and locked thread.

Is that my warning not to respond to personal attacks? Because I still see them, which means you are allowing them.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: ER on February 11, 2021, 04:59:48 PM
I  retract all my vile s**t I said about lady bugs.
I love ladybugs. I want them to cover my body and seep into all my orfices.
Like the cockroaches in CREEPSHOW!

(https://i.imgur.com/zMYlRlV.gif) (https://lunapic.com)
That picture's messed up, man.  :bouncegiggle:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 11, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Reminder: no personal attacks. That's when we cross from debate into flamewar and locked thread.

Is that my warning not to respond to personal attacks? Because I still see them, which means you are allowing them.

It's just a reminder of the board rules. If you respond in kind, the thread will be locked. If others continue attacking you, the thread will be locked. Contact me by PM if you need further clarification.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: ralfy on February 14, 2021, 12:26:21 AM
"Trump acquitted for second time following historic Senate impeachment trial"

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/13/politics/senate-impeachment-trial-day-5-vote/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/13/politics/senate-impeachment-trial-day-5-vote/index.html)

"Michigan Senate majority leader is caught on hot mic claiming that Capitol riot was a hoax."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/us/politics/mike-shirkey-michigan-senate-capitol-hoax.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/us/politics/mike-shirkey-michigan-senate-capitol-hoax.html)

From

https://twitter.com/LaurenWitzkeDE/status/1360662297253978112 (https://twitter.com/LaurenWitzkeDE/status/1360662297253978112)

Quote
It was ALL staged, Mitch McConnell wanted it to be “a mess” so he could secure a Trump impeachment conviction for Pelosi and Schumer.



Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: indianasmith on February 14, 2021, 12:53:42 AM
When it's all said and done, I think the ghost of James Buchanan can breathe a sigh of relief (if ghosts can do such a thing) that he will no longer be remembered as the worst President in American history.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Allhallowsday on February 14, 2021, 02:57:14 AM
I  retract all my vile s**t I said about lady bugs.  I love ladybugs. I want them to cover my body and seep into all my orfices.
Like the cockroaches in CREEPSHOW! 
(https://i.imgur.com/zMYlRlV.gif) (https://lunapic.com)
That picture's messed up, man.  :bouncegiggle:
:bouncegiggle: Then why are we laughing?


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Allhallowsday on February 14, 2021, 03:03:58 AM
When it's all said and done, I think the ghost of James Buchanan can breathe a sigh of relief (if ghosts can do such a thing) that he will no longer be remembered as the worst President in American history.
Indeed.  Sadly, Lincoln's ghost must contemplate the theory that the worst president is a member of his party. 


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: ralfy on February 14, 2021, 05:28:04 AM
 https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1360852878831849472

"You don’t often see a lawyer commit a murder live on national TV. I couldn’t look away:"

:teddyr:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 14, 2021, 05:49:25 AM
When it's all said and done, I think the ghost of James Buchanan can breathe a sigh of relief (if ghosts can do such a thing) that he will no longer be remembered as the worst President in American history.
Indeed.  Sadly, Lincoln's ghost must contemplate the theory that the worst president is a member of his party. 

Ironic, considering how the lefties keep trying to claim Lincoln as one of their own because the Party of Lincoln helped to free all of the Democrats' slaves.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 14, 2021, 09:49:34 AM
When it's all said and done, I think the ghost of James Buchanan can breathe a sigh of relief (if ghosts can do such a thing) that he will no longer be remembered as the worst President in American history.
Indeed.  Sadly, Lincoln's ghost must contemplate the theory that the worst president is a member of his party. 

Ironic, considering how the lefties keep trying to claim Lincoln as one of their own because the Party of Lincoln helped to free all of the Democrats' slaves.

Lincoln should be a hero to every American, right or left. No "side" gets to claim him. I think "right" and "left," "conservative" and "liberal" are bulls**t positions, Republican and Democrat are bulls**t parties. It's sad that so many Americans today are more loyal to their side and their party than they are to their country or their ideals.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Allhallowsday on February 14, 2021, 12:15:50 PM
...Lincoln should be a hero to every American, right or left. No "side" gets to claim him. I think "right" and "left," "conservative" and "liberal" are bulls**t positions, Republican and Democrat are bulls**t parties. It's sad that so many Americans today are more loyal to their side and their party than they are to their country or their ideals.

Here!  Here!


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 14, 2021, 09:12:39 PM
...Lincoln should be a hero to every American, right or left. No "side" gets to claim him. I think "right" and "left," "conservative" and "liberal" are bulls**t positions, Republican and Democrat are bulls**t parties. It's sad that so many Americans today are more loyal to their side and their party than they are to their country or their ideals.

Here!  Here!

So Trump is still a member of Lincoln’s Party that freed the slaves. What exactly are you “here here-ing” about?


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: El Misfit on February 14, 2021, 09:56:14 PM
...Lincoln should be a hero to every American, right or left. No "side" gets to claim him. I think "right" and "left," "conservative" and "liberal" are bulls**t positions, Republican and Democrat are bulls**t parties. It's sad that so many Americans today are more loyal to their side and their party than they are to their country or their ideals.

Here!  Here!

So Trump is still a member of Lincoln’s Party that freed the slaves. What exactly are you “here here-ing” about?
Bolded and underlined it for you.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: lester1/2jr on February 14, 2021, 11:39:02 PM
no president should be a hero to anyone. the state is "the man" period. The relationship is adversarial by nature. even cute Ilhan Omar is my enemy


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 15, 2021, 05:26:54 AM
...Lincoln should be a hero to every American, right or left. No "side" gets to claim him. I think "right" and "left," "conservative" and "liberal" are bulls**t positions, Republican and Democrat are bulls**t parties. It's sad that so many Americans today are more loyal to their side and their party than they are to their country or their ideals.

Here!  Here!

So Trump is still a member of Lincoln’s Party that freed the slaves. What exactly are you “here here-ing” about?
Bolded and underlined it for you.

But the same guy also said "Indeed.  Sadly, Lincoln's ghost must contemplate the theory that the worst president is a member of his party." Thank you for showing him his own contradiction.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 15, 2021, 07:53:52 AM
 ^ WTF are you talking about?  :question:

Yeah. Lincoln was a Republican.
And swastikas used to be a symbol of peace!
Or an ad to drink Coca-Cola!
Things change!
Topsy -turvy world, ain't it?  :twirl:

(https://i.imgur.com/g7OGu9m.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: El Misfit on February 15, 2021, 08:25:20 AM
Technically Lincoln was a Republican, not a conservative/GOPer like most Republicans are today. It's a different party now.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 15, 2021, 10:05:07 AM
Trump ain't a Republican. He's nuttier than a fruitcake!
And that fruit cake is one of the most inedible things on planet Earth. Everyone agrees it sucks.
How did this fruit cake turn into a tasty food?


(https://i.imgur.com/tXqBAy0.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)





Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: ER on February 15, 2021, 11:41:23 AM
Maybe indy can back me up here, but speaking strictly in the interests of history and personal curiosity, not modern politics, weren't Republicans liberals in Lincoln's time?


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Allhallowsday on February 15, 2021, 01:55:15 PM
...Lincoln should be a hero to every American, right or left. No "side" gets to claim him. I think "right" and "left," "conservative" and "liberal" are bulls**t positions, Republican and Democrat are bulls**t parties. It's sad that so many Americans today are more loyal to their side and their party than they are to their country or their ideals.
Here!  Here!
So Trump is still a member of Lincoln’s Party that freed the slaves. What exactly are you “here here-ing” about?
Bolded and underlined it for you.
But the same guy also said "Indeed.  Sadly, Lincoln's ghost must contemplate the theory that the worst president is a member of his party." Thank you for showing him his own contradiction.  :cheers:

Man, it must be hard to go through life dumb.  Read a little closer, Einstein.   You can't read your native tongue. 


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 15, 2021, 09:39:28 PM
Aw, f**k it. He's history.  :lookingup:
Better post your funny Trump gif's and meme's while you can!

(https://i.imgur.com/It3YyAJ.gif) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 16, 2021, 05:00:27 PM
Maybe indy can back me up here, but speaking strictly in the interests of history and personal curiosity, not modern politics, weren't Republicans liberals in Lincoln's time?

So goes the myth. They were all churchgoers, which is like battery acid to any liberal nowadays.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 16, 2021, 06:33:16 PM
Boy, you really got a hard on for this guy. Do you owe him money or something?  :question:
Or do you just like his hair? Because you really are in love with this old scumbag con artist?
Or maybe your just being...what did that TV show guy used to call it? The guy-who was on WWF?
Oh yeah-
a sore LOSER.
Let it go, man. Quite being such a crybaby.
Grow up.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: indianasmith on February 16, 2021, 11:14:02 PM
The Republican Party, at the time of its foundation, was dedicated to stopping the spread of slavery into the national territories and promoting the spread of business and industry across America.  It drew in an odd combination of passionate abolitionists, because national abolition parties had proved a dismal failure and the Republicans were at least determined to stop slavery from spreading, and big industrialists, who found that slavery with the death knell to industry, and many old Whigs and northern Democrats who were sick of the national Democratic party's slavish obedience to the slaveholders of the South.

For a brief period after the Civil War, the Republicans were dominated by "radicals" who wanted full social and legal equality, including voting rights, for blacks.  Then it gradually backpedaled on civil rights and was taken over by the "Old Guard" who were shills for big business.  But the Progressive wing took control of the party again during the administration of Theodore Roosevelt and (to a lesser degree) William Howard Taft.

At any rate, neither political party today bears much resemblance to its 19th century forebears, so such comparisons are frankly foolish and only show an ignorance of history.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 16, 2021, 11:25:40 PM
^ Indy, your a good man. But trying to explain anything to this guy is like trying to teach a monkey to do  math.
Trump is gone. f**k Trump.
The guy is done and gone.  He won't get re-elected in 2024, because I bet you dollars to donuts  he will-
A. Try and leave the country-because he has LOTS of legal issues here that will cost him money, which he no longer has, because all his banks have dumped him like a hot car, or-
B. He'll be dead. Because, he's real old, and he'll die.

In the mean time-

Buh bye! Nice try, chump!

(https://i.imgur.com/46RfXe7.gif) (https://lunapic.com)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 17, 2021, 03:54:55 AM
The Republican Party, at the time of its foundation, was dedicated to stopping the spread of slavery into the national territories and promoting the spread of business and industry across America.  It drew in an odd combination of passionate abolitionists, because national abolition parties had proved a dismal failure and the Republicans were at least determined to stop slavery from spreading, and big industrialists, who found that slavery with the death knell to industry, and many old Whigs and northern Democrats who were sick of the national Democratic party's slavish obedience to the slaveholders of the South.

For a brief period after the Civil War, the Republicans were dominated by "radicals" who wanted full social and legal equality, including voting rights, for blacks.  Then it gradually backpedaled on civil rights and was taken over by the "Old Guard" who were shills for big business.  But the Progressive wing took control of the party again during the administration of Theodore Roosevelt and (to a lesser degree) William Howard Taft.

At any rate, neither political party today bears much resemblance to its 19th century forebears, so such comparisons are frankly foolish and only show an ignorance of history.

I doubt the validity of your opinion. The Democrat Party does an exceptionally fine job with exploiting minority groups even today. They’ve been exploiting minorities ever since their slave-owning days. So to say that the parties have “changed” or “switched” much since the 19th Century is disingenuous at best. You’re just painting lipstick on to a pig with that shortsighted statement, friend.

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Do Black lives matter to Democrats? As Tim Alberta recently reported, a lot of Black voters think the answer is no. That may explain why the Democrats are blocking the GOP justice reform bill in the Senate: With Black voters already discouraged, Democrats don’t want them to get the idea that Republicans may have something to offer.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3264946001 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3264946001)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Alex on February 17, 2021, 08:35:10 AM
Hey Indy, I guess that all your book learning and training was all a complete waste of time then.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: indianasmith on February 17, 2021, 10:33:23 AM
The Republican Party, at the time of its foundation, was dedicated to stopping the spread of slavery into the national territories and promoting the spread of business and industry across America.  It drew in an odd combination of passionate abolitionists, because national abolition parties had proved a dismal failure and the Republicans were at least determined to stop slavery from spreading, and big industrialists, who found that slavery with the death knell to industry, and many old Whigs and northern Democrats who were sick of the national Democratic party's slavish obedience to the slaveholders of the South.

For a brief period after the Civil War, the Republicans were dominated by "radicals" who wanted full social and legal equality, including voting rights, for blacks.  Then it gradually backpedaled on civil rights and was taken over by the "Old Guard" who were shills for big business.  But the Progressive wing took control of the party again during the administration of Theodore Roosevelt and (to a lesser degree) William Howard Taft.

At any rate, neither political party today bears much resemblance to its 19th century forebears, so such comparisons are frankly foolish and only show an ignorance of history.

And yet it's Republicans waving the Confederate flag and screaming because the South is finally taking down statues of Confederate leaders.
Frankly, sir, your opinion of my opinions means less to me than the fate of an African dung beetle walking down the middle of an elephant trail.

I doubt the validity of your opinion. The Democrat Party does an exceptionally fine job with exploiting minority groups even today. They’ve been exploiting minorities ever since their slave-owning days. So to say that the parties have “changed” or “switched” much since the 19th Century is disingenuous at best. You’re just painting lipstick on to a pig with that shortsighted statement, friend.

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Do Black lives matter to Democrats? As Tim Alberta recently reported, a lot of Black voters think the answer is no. That may explain why the Democrats are blocking the GOP justice reform bill in the Senate: With Black voters already discouraged, Democrats don’t want them to get the idea that Republicans may have something to offer.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3264946001 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3264946001)


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 17, 2021, 10:41:58 AM
Hey Indy, I guess that all your book learning and training was all a complete waste of time then.

Books and teaching can only offer you so much, especially considering the politics of whomever is doing the writing and teaching. Mein Kampf, for example, is very well-written and articulated, but look who wrote the damned thing.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 17, 2021, 10:49:00 AM
So you rely on your own ignorance to teach you?  :question:

And just pick and choose what suits your bias bulls**t?

Seems like Mein Kampf would be right up your redneck ally.

You need to relax with your fixation on politics. Watch a cartoon or listen to some smooth jazz.
Mellow the f**k out. Relax, man.


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Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Alex on February 17, 2021, 11:13:19 AM
Hey Indy, I guess that all your book learning and training was all a complete waste of time then.

Books and teaching can only offer you so much, especially considering the politics of whomever is doing the writing and teaching. Mein Kampf, for example, is very well-written and articulated, but look who wrote the damned thing.


Actually, it is dull and repetitive.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 17, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
So you rely on your own ignorance to teach you?  :question:

And just pick and choose what suits your bias bulls**t?

Seems like Mein Kampf would be right up your redneck ally.

You need to relax with your fixation on politics. Watch a cartoon or listen to some smooth jazz.
Mellow the f**k out. Relax, man.


(https://i.imgur.com/ezAJALG.gif) (https://lunapic.com)


I’m sorry sir, but I don’t take drunks seriously. So whatever you are trying to say, please sober up first.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 17, 2021, 11:30:45 AM
I may be a drunk, but I can sober up.
You'll always be ignorant.

Poe was a drunk- he was still a great writer. Your sober, (I assume), and your a zero , Zelmo.
Buh-bye!


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Zapranoth on February 17, 2021, 12:22:02 PM
Godwin's law twice in this thread so far!

IIRC Indy is a history teacher.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 17, 2021, 01:17:30 PM
^ Ain't it groovy?  :twirl:

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Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Alex on February 17, 2021, 01:27:32 PM
Godwin's law twice in this thread so far!

IIRC Indy is a history teacher.


Yeah, but some people are against all that durned book learnin' and hoity-toity edumacation.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Zapranoth on February 17, 2021, 02:04:19 PM
Rev Powell, I think that what can be said has been said in this thread.

Would you kindly lock the thread now, please?


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: RCMerchant on February 17, 2021, 02:08:13 PM
^ I'll second that motion in a NYC second.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: zelmo73 on February 17, 2021, 02:17:54 PM
Godwin's law twice in this thread so far!

IIRC Indy is a history teacher.


I just hope he’s not pushing wrong information into all of those bright, young minds. You know how I feel about pushers.


Title: Re: Buh bye, Trump
Post by: Rev. Powell on February 17, 2021, 02:51:04 PM
Locked at OP's request.