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OK, I haven't seen STEALING HARVARD yet. Apparently, Tom Green is in this comedy and thank God that he has not directed or wrote the film after the tragic FREDDY GOT FINGERED.

But what do you all think? Is STEALING HARVARD going to be Tom Green's better features. Or, do you think it will be worse than FREDDY GOT FINGERED? I think it will be worse. I mean, this is Tom Green we are talkin' about here?

What do you think?

I think its going to be better, he seems more serious in his acting in this movie then his Finger movie.

I have faith in this because of one man. JASON LEE! is there any movie he can't save?

Ah, Jason Lee, who knew someone who can't act worth a crap and speaks very slowly in a phonetic manner could actually make it in Hollywood? He was a very popular pro skateboarder in the '80s. He shouldn't have given that  up.

I think maybe Tom Green's films have been a big joke. Freddy Got Fingered was so unbelievably childish and simplistic it had to be so on purpose. It's like he's saying, "Look, they gave me millions of dollars and complete control, so I'll make something incredibly stupid for fun!".

This defies logic.

Tom Green must have thought he would recieve noteriety for making FREDDY GOT FINGERED if it was intended to suck or not. Of course, it really sucked and therefore the "fame" Green thought he was going to get pretty much put him downhill (i.e. Drew Barrymore leaving his pathetic ass, the cancelation of his Canabian TV program, etc.). But then, the consequeces were great for Green which made him "Public Enemy No. 1" to both audiences and critics when FREDDY GOT FINGERED was unleashed upon the world.

And indeed, Green was at one point a star (not a big one, but a star nonetheless). He had a racy Canadian TV show, MTV sponsoring, and a supporting performace in ROAD TRIP (which, I might add, wasn't too good of a movie anyway).

As for Green intending to make a film "crap" to show the people that Hollywood will make anything, I somewhat applaud Green for doing so. The fact that some big company had the guts to finance a piece of garbage and think it would be a success just shows that Tom Green is not the only idiot living in this world (or in this country for that matter). So, Green did prove something. Yet, that doesn't mean that he did a good job. He still stinks and as much as Green proved Hollywood's inept sense of green-lighting projects, he has proved nothing new since Hollywood has already produced crap that we are aware of (i.e. SCARY MOVIE, DUDE, WHERE'S MY CAR?, PEARL HARBOR, THE PATRIOT, I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER, and so on). One must also wonder why is Green in STEALING HARVARD even though FREDDY GOT FINGERED failed worse than PEARL HARBOR at the box office? Maybe this is another example of Hollywood will make anything with an actor who is eqivilant to box office poison. If so, Green is on a roll!

One thing, just because in the trailers Green looks restraint doesn't exactly mean he will be in the entire film. Because of that, I have little fath in STEALING HARVARD. Also, this is Tom Green we are talking about.

                       Very well put,Chris.
                 Tom Green is better off having a steel cage match against Jack Black at the next WWF/WWE pay-per-view,which would be the next logical step for him(fighting Jack Black,not becoming a wrestler,which is what the very last thing that the WWF/WWE needs to kills itself,with all of the bad ratings it's had this year).
                 Otherwise,Tom Green Still Sucks!!!

The difference between "Stealing Harvard" and "Freddy Got Fingered" is that Mr. Green wrtoe and directed the latter himself.  "Stealing Harvard" is a movie that he just happened to get cast in.  Plus, Jason Lee is the star, not Tom Green.  My bet is that it'll be like "Orange County"....the trailers really hyped up Jack Black for that one, and then he turned out just to have a supporting role.  There is still hope for "Stealing Harvard," because it's not like Tom Green had much creative control over the movie, allthough there was undoubtedly some improvisation, knowing him.

Brock

who knew someone who can't act worth a crap and speaks very slowly in a phonetic manner could actually make it in Hollywood?

You're kidding...right?

The plot for Stealing Harvard really turned me off - typically contemptable balls lacking 'father' (who seems awfully close in age to his 'daughter') is bossed around by spoiled child and forced to 'comic' Robin Hood type criminal behaviour - frankly I'll stick with "Fun with Dick and Jane" for suburban crime.

There was one good joke in the preview though, involving the snarling guard dog's reaction to Green.  But it did not convince me to buy a ticket (I vowed not to see it when the daughter did the Lucille Ball WWWWHHHHAAAAAAA at the very idea that her working class parents just might not be able to pay her pampered ass into Harvard).

Sorry, but I'll buy Pluto Nash before I watch STEALING HARVARD.

Bruce McCulloch Directed it though. Thats a huge plus. The Kids in the Hall was awesome. And I like Jason Lee as an actor and as a skateboarder, when he was in the Spike Jonze skate video "Blind Video Days". Thats a pretty awesome video. Anyway. I'll go see it anyway.

green's performance may be ok. i'd like to see a second directorial debut though.

FGF was a slap in the figurative face of hollywood's idiocy. green picked a title that any rational study exec would shoot down. people that bought into green's movie were so out of touch they didn't know he was trying to be as ludicrous and bad-bad as possible. he can act. he had to to pull off a lot of his stunts we saw through his show.  the fact that it ever got made is as silly as any of his other scams.

he produced the most cringe inducing film i have seen in a long time as well as marrying and divorcing the uber hollywood chick d. barrymore. can you just imagine pitching the "hitting a crippled girl in the shins with a stick" scene to a producer...and it got made!

tom green mooned all of hollywood and everyone that invested in his movie.

my take,
mr. henry

Yes, it's true that Hollywood fell for Green's FREDDY GOT FINGERED and that proved Hollywood's idiocy. But then, Hollywood has produced garbage like SCARY MOVIE and DUDE, WHERE'S MY CAR? before Green stepped in to show his stuff. So basically, Green has proved nothing new.

Another directorial effort? Sorry Mr. Henry, but I don't think so. Looking at FREDDY GOT FINGERED, Green's directorial talent consists of "Aim the camera and shoot" with little enthusiasm whatsoever. I mean, Green felt he could just play around with the camera and feel whatever was on celluliod would work! Also, Green thought it was sheer genius to have a scene of him grabbing a horse's cock.

Also, Green CAN'T ACT. This is just my opinion, but Green looks like that class clown we all had in school in which he acts stupid for attention. (kind of reminds me of Adam Sandler's character in BILLY MADISON, only Green is worse). And Green gets attention alright, but the attention he gets is "Shut up" and a slap in the face. It was also like that on Green's TV show and it was unfunny.

Indeed, Green mooned both Hollywood and everybody who invested in his movie (incuding the audience and critics as well). And because of that, it makes us want kick Tom Green's ass more than ever.

Yes I believe Jason Lee is a bad actor. Any scene in a film where he has to speak stops said film's momentum dead. I also believe Bruce McCulloch was the least of the Kids In The Hall (Kevin MacDonald and Dave Foley are the only Kids I can stand, though I admit a big part of it is the accent), and he directed the terrible Dog Park, so this one has "crap" written all over it for me.

"even though FREDDY GOT FINGERED failed worse than PEARL HARBOR"

Are you inferring that Pearl Harbor failed at the box office?  Why do so many big budgets movies have this reputation for not making money?  Waterworld, Pearl Harbor..  There's a few other huge budgeted movies that everyone thinks for some reason or other were box office failures but in fact at worst broke even.  Pearl Harbor made around 200 million domestically and even more then that in foreign markets.  It had a budget of 150 million, though the story goes it went over that by about 20 mil.

While Pearl Harbor cost 150 million to make (WHY?) and it only grossed 200 then it's a disappointment. plain and simple.  If it went over by twenty million then it cost 170 million simply to make.  Factor in several tens of millions of dollars in marketing (those commercials, poster, banners, billboards, radio spots, etc all cost money to get out there) this move probably set the studio back more than 200 million.  Now factor in that you are talking GROSS profits.  The studio only nets half of the profit after all the checks are cashed (if its lucky).  So while the movie grossed 200 million domestically, it only MADE 100 million or so (same thing with Spiderman, which cost some 90 million to make, while it grossed in excess of 400 million, the studio only got 200 million on it, tops).  Foreign revenues are also shrinking, thus driving many independent studios to rely on cable and video markets even more.

I swear, if the same accountants than ran Hollywood were running the Government, we'd never have budget problems.

Hollywood grosses are a relative matter. Spider-Man technically made the most money this summer, about four times its cost. My Big Fat Greek Wedding, on the other hand, looks to make about $100M, but it only cost $5M, so it's technically the most successful film of the year because it made back twenty times its budget. So you see, a huge budget ensures neither quality nor great success.

chris K. i kind of agree. i definitley don't expect another feature film directorial debut. i just meant that i'd like to see a "serious" effort---(read: try to produce an actual movie). either a movie or whatever...something to compare the apparent lack of trying in FGF...(and "goldmember" was considered an unusable title?)

i caught green's post cancer shows and the japan shows and judging by those he has "lost it."

i agree green's old act isn't relevent any more. jackass is still pushing boundaries----that movie should be an interesting experiment, i think...

later,
mr. henry

What the hell is wrong with fgf?

The reason why FREDDY GOT FINGERED sucked was because it was not funny and technically inept. The humor was poor, the performances were stale, the pacing was bad, and it had no plot or storyline.

First we have to endure Tom Green playing with a horse's penis. As if that is not enough, Green pulls another bad cock joke in which he plays around with an elephant's member. I don't get it? If you are going to make a joke it has to HAVE A POINT! Maybe if his character had some obsession with animal sexuality and was given a more wide explanation, it would have been funny. But it isn't.

Green goes as far as to show him gutting a dead deer so he can wear it like a coat in order to understabd his characters (after all, Green plays a cartoonist). Peter Jackson could create better gross-out than this bastard! I will admit that I laughed at Green getting hit by the truck during this scene, but I laughed because it would be funny if Green was really killed by a hit-and-run.

Now for the plot. Okay, so some comedies don't have too strong of a plot. But a plot is needed just the same, no matter how unhinged or disjointed the story may be. FREDDY GOT FINGERED's plot ranges from "What the hell?" to "What's the damn point?" Why does Green's girlfriend need to pleasured by being hit on the legs with a bamboo stick? Is their any point to Green's obsession with cocks of the animal species? What is the point about Green's girlfriend giving him a blow job? What's Drew Barrymore doing in this atrocity? What's the point when Green take his father (played by Rip Torn) to Iran just to prove him something? What is with that kid who keeps getting injured who runs into certain dangerous objects? Like I said, the humor has to have a point. Even without the explanations or flawed logic, one would suspect that the film would still be funny just the same (I am sure that is what Tom Green and his co-writer Derek Harve thought as well). Hardly, it looks more like a patchwork of certain scenes from other planned projects that we can't tell if the scenes are meant to be funny or not and therefore it's hard for us to laugh. Nothing at all is funny in FREDDY GOT FINGERED. The only thing that's funny is Green's career went downhill after this little atrocity and I still think that is not enough punishment!

And I will tell you this, when I saw it in the theatre NOBODY LAUGHED. And the patrons were the same age as I am (18 years and up)!

Josh, if you loved FREDDY GOT FINGERED that's fine by me. But the rest of us just don't seem to find him all original or innovative.

Yeah its a bad movie! dont take things so damn seriously. i didnt love it i just thought it was sort of funny and stupid, everything tom green is

Looking at it clearly, I might have taken it a bit too seriously and if so sorry. But if you were in my shoes and saw the film in it's hideous form, wouldn't you be somewhat shocked to see that some people actually like FREDDY GOT FINGERED. But then, I like Peter Jackson's BRAINDEAD and my school associates are shocked that I like the film since they are not too pleased with the film at all.

But hey, go for whatever floats your boat, Josh.

chris K, i feel your pain over the movie...

the fact it was so TERRIBLE is exactly my point from earlier, that FGF is no scary movie or american pie (movies that still tried to be funny)...it took "shock humor" way over the edge by removing humor and replacing it with a sorta pseudo-humor/anti-humor that left us with an intolerable (we agree on that) mess...millions were spent on a nearly unwatchable movie...it was absurd...almost an arthouse anti-commercial statement...i know we disagree on this, but i think that's what green was shooting for...anyone that goes from canadian cable access to marrying drew barrymore to a medium budget movie in four years has some saavy smarts.

and i think his work on road trip was pretty good...although i admit he was basically playing himself (like howard stern did in private parts). road trip is a new teenage classic...the snake part still cracks me up.

L8r,
mr. henry

I wouldn't say it's a comeback, since FREDDY was only last year.  Most actors only make one or two movies a year.

Greta Van Suswhatever interviewed Green in a fluff piece for Stealing Harvard.  Whether or not he is funny I leave to others, but the persona he put forth was soft spoken and polite (and he was REAL uncomfortable talking about with the whole marriage to Drew thing, so much so I felt bad that Greta kept hammering away at him about it - I wanted to shout "The man is obviously uncomfortable talking about this still painful event, LEAVE HIM ALONE!" - then again celebs invite these things when they do these interviews).

Jim- pearl harbour and Waterworld weren't ARTISTIC succeses do you think?  A movie being known as a "bomb" can affect the careers of everyone involved.  Tom Green was on Stern the other day.  He was really funny ( and the Leno appearance was apparently a classic, I hope they rerun it) but the movie looks really stupid.  The dog attacking his nuts is dumb.  all the "Whoaaaaaaaaah" type humour is dumb.,  Imagine making a movie so bad your wife leaves you?

Frankly the guy started irritating me when everybody at work started imitating his role as Chad in Charlie's Angels.  They would come up to me and say "How's...the Chad?"

First all that Florida ballot chad thing, then that.

Being named Chad sucks some times.

I wonder how much PEARL HARBOR made on home video and foreign sales [actually, probably not much in other countries, especially Japan!]  The domestic grosses are really just the beginning of how much a movie really makes.  Even David Lynch's DUNE ended up making money when you counted the foreign revenue [actually, everything he's made has made money due to that--that's why you continue to see him making films.]  

The thing about PEARL HARBOR, I doubt the average viewer who saw it hated it as much as the critics and the uppity moviegoers like me who tend to not like that kind of film anyway.   If it was that terrible of a film, I don't think they'd be doing multiple DVD releases of it.  You don't see that for FREDDY GOT FINGERED.
Most of the people who saw PEARL HARBOR probably liked it okay, but no one's gonna remember it next year when it will be replaced by the next big blow-em-up movie.  That's why I didn't put in on my worst 10 list.  I don't think it's really any worse than most other films of its type [just kinda tasteless] and I think it's too forgettable to really be considered a heavyweight Bad Movie.  It's just mediocre.

jmc wrote:
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> If it [PEARL HARBBOR] is that terrible of a film, I don't think
> they'd be doing multiple DVD releases of it.  

Actually, from what I heard the sales of the first PEARL HARBOR 2 disk DVD were so poor that Disney decided to release the so-called "Director's Cut" (which, I might add, is really not worth it since it's additional dialouge and gore scenes, each unconvincing and bad) early to make their sales better. But during the time when the first DVD of PEARL HARBOR was on the failing list, Disney tried pairing it up with ARMAGEDDON as a two pack (it was even advertised on TV) in order to get the audience's attention. Unfortunately, it wasn't successful.

As for the dislike of PEARL HARBOR, at the imdb.com their are reviews from the average Joe that didn't like the film either while some others do. It makes The Worst Film on my list because it was as you said "mediocre" as well as unappealing to my eyes. And boring, too.

Also, to say it didn't quite make your top ten worst of all time isn't really a compliment.

I'm not trying to defend it by any means, I just think it doesn't have that special something necessary to be an unforgettable bad movie.

Hey Chad, being named Lee isn't allways a ball either. I can't say I've ever liked this idiot Tom Green. I couldn't stand his show so forget him in movies(although for some reason I watched part of FGF). I have no problem with people acting dumb and silly to be funny, but that's just it, HE AIN'T FUNNY!!!! All he does is irritate you. Who the hell wants to be irritated? Not me.