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I'm talking about movies with morals or lessons that don't really make sense or are just plain goofy-

Grease-  Women should lose their individuality and join the crowd to get a guy.

Dragonheart- A talking dragon died for our sins.

Star Trek V- God isn't out there, He's here, the human heart. This was obviously the last Trek film Gene Roddenberry had anything to do with.

While we're talking Star Trek, howsabout the moral of "The Cage"?

"Pure anger and rage are the best defenses."

Nathan

You haven't been hanging out over at the capalert site again, JR? :)

J.R. wrote:
>
> I'm talking about movies with morals or lessons that don't
> really make sense or are just plain goofy-
>
> Grease-  Women should lose their individuality and join the
> crowd to get a guy.

Actually I thought the message of Grease was that in order for a woman to get her guy she needed to become a slut.

How about PRETTY WOMAN.

"Young women should become hookers, because it's a way to find their handsome, rich, prince charming."

Talk about warped!

I thought the moral of The Cage was that real challenges and achievements were better than imaginary luxury. Of course, when it was repackaged as The Menagerie, we learn that living a lie is better than being handicapped.

Then again, in Pike's position, I'd probably opt for the lie as well.

Hmm, to quote MST3K on Jack Frost "Anyone remotely unattractive is evil!"

"Titanic"--It's better to pitch jewelry into the sea than sell it and give the money to the needy.
"Sum Of All Fears"--A sky full of radioactive fallout holds no fear for The Pure Hero.

I'm surprised no one's brought up The Old Slasher Movie Message yet: If you have sex, a messed-up dead guy will come back and kill you with a garden implement.

Many cop movies teach us that doing things by the book will never work, and it's naive to even try. The only way to bring a criminal to justice is to break rules, disobey orders, endanger other people and do as much damage as possible. While doing this, it is also helpful to heap verbal abuse on your superiors and make wise-ass remarks to people who disagree with you. They are, after all, wrong.

Squishy wrote:
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> I'm surprised no one's brought up The Old Slasher Movie
> Message yet: If you have sex, a messed-up dead guy will come
> back and kill you with a garden implement.

Is that all sex, or just *premarital* sex?

The moral of The Beach confused the HELL out of me!  This guy comes into this little stoner paradise that this harmless group of Phish fans started on a tropical island.  He first of all blows their secret before he even gets there by telling people.  Then he gets the drug dealers on the other end of the island p**sed off at the hippie colony.  Then he totally destroys their little society by screwing around with his friend's girlfriend, flaunting and laughing at the rules.  In the end he gets the whole lot of them booted off the island and a couple of them killed...

and as he leaves he delivers some self-righteous speech and tells THEM how fu***d up THEY all are and struts off like he just put a bunch of bratty kids in their place.  It was the most amazing thing I have ever seen in my entire life.  I couldn't tear myself away as much as it hurt.

Another one was "Do The Right Thing."  In the end the nice non-racist Italian pizza guy opens up his shop after closing time to serve some pizza to some of the local kids because he genuinely feels like he's a part of the neighborhood and wants to do the kids a favor.  Some fat jackass with a boom box comes in and sets it on the counter... and the pizza guy quite reasonably asks him to turn it down.  He turns it up.  The pizza guy gets mad, and the fat jackass attacks him!  The police show up and the fat jackass attacks them and gets himself shot or beat up or something.  Then the Spike Lee character, who has been employed by this nice old pizza guy, incites a riot and helps burn down the pizza parlor.  The next day, Spike shows up at the burned out pizza place and demands his back pay.  When he gets it, he struts off down the street like that Pizza guy was a fu**ing jerkoff and he had every right to destroy his life.  Can anyone make sense of that for me?

Hmmmmm.... Let's see.

Predator: Running after things you can't see will not get you killed, instead it will insure you are the only one left.

Predator 2: Blind Revenge will see you through at the expence of Bill Paxton.

Alien: When you lead the ship you are the first to die.

Aliens: Confronting your fears only leads to disaster.

Spider-man, Batman, and Darkman: Dawning spandex, you will save the world.

Carnosaur: Enviornmentalists are out to get us.

Carnosaur 2: a mix between Aliens and Jurassic Park will only strengthen your bond with a child.

Armageddon: When the end of the world comes, you want to make sure you are no longer wanted in 20 states.

Carnosaur 3: the advance of science is not worth a few lives.

Haze wrote:  Carnosaur: Enviornmentalists are out to get us.

*****  Same can be said for Ghostbusters.

How about Big?

That chick totally does Tom Hanks. Sure, he LOOKS 30, but he's really a 12 year old. That's statutory rape where I come from.  What if Big had starred Sally Field instead of Tom Hanks? The adult who does her can''t say, well she LOOKED 30, and I was in love! Nope. That movie's all about statutory rape.

Event Horizon- The entire human race is just a plaything for unspeakable evil, and there is a Hell, but no God.

Patch Adams- Completely unprofessional and unethical medical students are the true heroes.

What Dreams May Come- Every single theology is correct in a weird afterlife mish-mash. God exists, but doesn't seem to care. Everyone in Heaven is someone you knew in life, but they're diguised as someone else for no apparent reason. There is a Hell, but no one is punished so it's really just ornamental. You can be reincarnated if you want, or stay in Heaven, but it's really, really boring.

I agree with Dano on both of his examples, but it's expected in DTRT, because Spike Lee's films never have a clear message.

p.s.- Please excuse all the religious examples, it's just that I tend to notice those more.

Three Ninjas: A world-renowned martial artist-turned-drug cartel ringleader will admit to being "the bad guy," and then get his ass handed to him by 3 brats, none of them older than 13, and will lose to an old fogie that can barely walk by having jelly beans placed in his mouth and then punched in the forehead. MORAL: Kids will kick your ass with jelly beans.

Three Ninjas: High Noon At Megamountain: This has a few...
1. Theme park security NEVER notices a teenage girl tied to a roller coaster track, despite the fact that she's screaming for help.
2. Hulk Hogan HAS hair.
3. International criminals are all blundering idiots that can be stopped by a kid whose appearanced has changed completely 3 times.
4. Hulk Hogan is cool.

The Matrix:

Killing innocent people to further your goals is fine, even if your goal is to save said innocent people.

Kudos, Akira! I would add this:

"The Matrix:" Paying your taxes is inherently evil.
"The Matrix," "They Live," "Total Recall," et al: The raving lunatic whacked out on little pills, booze, or head trauma, who is gunning down old ladies, cops, office workers, and anyone who gets in his way, while screaming incoherently about an alien conspiracy, is, in fact, always right.

"On deadly ground" -----> The best way to fight against contamination is to murder the top brass of the oil companies and then plant bombs on their refineries.

"Conan the Barbarian" ------> Forget about intellect and reason. The only way to solve any kind of problem is through violence.

Um, in many films, people in authority are total jerks who deserve to be humiliated.

How about this?

All ladies really need is a husband and kids, no matter what she may say otherwise(from hell it came. Or at least some other killer tree movie)

That getting a woman in the sack can be as easy as simply rolling on top of her (not really a movie, but it came out of Nick Carter: Killmaster, which is a rip-off on James Bond)

That all rugged men who smoke are cool and always right, were as the skinny smart guys are either
A. Wrong
B. Plotting with other nations or aliens
C. Both

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Now if you'll pardon me, I have to go save my lady love Joan Marie from the dreaded spin cycle

How about Pleasantville where two 90's kids (Reese Witherspoon and Toby MacGuire) are transported into Leave It To Beaver Land where they spark their own sexual revolution in which all the teens in town are having sex and everything is just wonderful...  No pregnancies...  no disease... no emotionally shattered kids who weren't ready....  Yeah.  Right.

I am reminded of Squishy's post when we were talking about "Jeepers Creepers."

http://www.badmovies.org/bbs/read.php?f=2&i=20590&t=20568

Scary when you look at it that way.

In his autobiography, Lloyd Kaufman makes a very interesting reading into Forrest Gump: It's the story of a none-too-bright man who questions nothing, does everything he's told and everything expected by the mainstream (becomes a football star, joins the army, etc.), and winds up on the Fortune 500 with no effort. This is frequently contrasted to Jenny, who thinks for herself, acts independently, is involved with the underground... and is always miserable and eventually dies of AIDS. The moral (quoting directly from Kaufman): "Don't think for yourself. Don't act differently than the herd. Go along with Big Brother, especially if you're a woman, or you will get AIDS and die."

I know there was a reason I didn't like Forrest Gump .
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The message I took from this was - Stay the hell away from Forrest Gump!

Jenny - Miserable life, got AIDS
Lt. Dan - Legs blown off, military career ruined, laughed at by whores
Bubba - Machinegunned
Others in unit - Killed or maimed
Fellow shrimp boat captains - Lost their boats in a hurricane, children hungry
Black panthers - put down by the Man
Kennedy - shot through the head
LBJ - Left Washington in disgrace
Nixon - Impeached, disgraced
Momma - Died on a Tuesday
Abbie Hoffman - became irrelevant
Elvis - died on the toilet (allegedly)
Haley Joel Osment - One big hit and then Pay it Forward and A.I.

I'll bet all those buses that went by picking up the people forced to listen to Forrest crashed.

     ****engage arse covering disclaimer****
            This post is merely a thought some might find amusing.  For me it is just an idea and not an opinion, and it's not meant to offend anyone.
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    Perhaps the message Gump is trying to get across is "God has lousy aim."

-----ooo-'U'-ooo-----Kilroy was here.

American Beauty- Gay couples are the only truly happy people. Everyone else is either unhappy in their marriage or are keeping their homosexuality repressed (I read an interview with the screenwriter and he admitted that was hinted at).

Any Meg Ryan/Nora Ephron movie- Ladies, if you're dating a nice, thoughtful guy, but you get a faint suspiscion that some other guy is meant for you, dump that nice dope pronto. He'll understand.

The Doors- Jim Morrison may have been a selfish, egotistical, drug-addled, philandering, pretentious, downright loathsome person, but, uh, that's it.

Home Alone 1 & 2

It's really no big deal when parents *twice* abandon their young son due to negligence.

Hell, he seems better off without them!

I hate those movies.  Never saw the appeal.
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I detest Forrest Gump with a passion, how can so many people embrace a movie that preaches that to be successful in America you need to be a kowtowing illiterate babbling moron!

Mr. President, can you answer that question for me?  Please.

The only reason I watched Home alone 2 was because of the movie they showed in part one.  Rat bait i think it was called.  
"I'm gonna give ya, to the count of ten, to get your ugly, yella, no-good keester off my property. Before I pump your guts fulla lead. One, two, ten!
[pumps Gangster 'Snakes' guts fulla lead] .  Keep the change you filthy animal"

Then in part two they had
"I believe you, but my tommy gun don't.  that's why I'm giving you to the count of three to get your lousy lying no good carcass off my face.  One, two, (shoots the woman up) three.  Merry Christmas you filthy animal.  (Shoots some more) And a happy New Year. (shoots one more time.

Maybe the real message behind these movies was never let a gangster count past one.

Home Alone 1 & 2

It's really no big deal when parents *twice* abandon their young son due to negligence.

If that really happened even once, the parents would be up on charges and the kid would be in a foster home (and probably the other kids as well).

How could I have forgotten the movie that teaches us how wonderful and romantic adultery is, and that people who disapprove of it are a bunch of intolerant bastards.

Near as I can tell, we're supposed to feel sorry for this woman who jumped into bed with a guy she just met while her husband was out of town with the kids. We're supposed to be rooting for her to leave the poor guy because in spite of being a good provider and a faithful, responsible husband and father, he's (horror of horrors) a little boring. But she stays, and we're supposed to feel sorry for her.

Frankly, when I watch that scene where an extremely whiny Clint Eastwood begs her to leave her husband, it sickens me. This selfish a***ole, who thinks only of his immediate wants and doesn't care who he hurts, is presented as the better choice for her.

How could I have forgotten the movie that teaches us how wonderful and romantic adultery is, and that people who disapprove of it are a bunch of intolerant bastards.

**** Ahh, the double standard.  Whenever a man in a movie cheats, he's a pathetic insecure piece of crap who doesn't deserve his wife anyway - and it's always his fault that the relationship wasn't working.  Whenever a woman cheats, it's a romantic and liberating experience - and it's always her husband's fault the relationship wasn't working.  

I guess they know who goes to see movies about extramarital affairs.

I don't know, I liked the movie (and felt Eastwood was robbed of a best director Oscar nomination, the scene in the rain is just a beautifully handled moment - not to mention the first time the two actually kiss).

Lots of people disliked the movies 'message', but over look that in the end she did the right thing.  She stayed.

Then again I liked the movie and found it very romantic, it's one of the few of its kind that I'd watch again and again.

What I took from Madison County is that she *knew* Eastwood's char was an a***ole and that she was only in lust with him.  She *knew* her husband wasn't really a bad guy and didn't really want to leave him.

Star Trek V- Kirk is the only compotent member of the enterprise's crew.
Star Wars Attack of the Clones- even if you are a total whiny a***ole (Anakin) you'll still end up marrying the woman of your dreams.

The message I got from Episode I is that a woman in love is willing to overlook many flaws in a man, such as some obvious fascist leanings and the fact that he slaughtered an entire village of sand people, including women and children, in a rage. She actually took the latter pretty lightly, considering what a compassionate and conscientious character she's supposed to be.

Actually, she only really fell for him *after* he killed the Tusken village.  She was a bit cold toward him until he confessed to killing all the women and children, then she was like, "Oh!  Anakin!"

Creepy.

I think in "Do the Right Thing", it's more of a statement on race relations than a message.  I thought the same thing too after first watching it, but viewed as a statement on racial tolerance and as a time-bomb about to explode, and the hate and double standards a lot of people have, it's a masterpiece.  However, Lee grew up a lot when he made Clockers, which seemed to say everyone should take responsiblity for their own actions, and sometimes being liberal minded is more racist than anything.

I was just thinking about that scene- potentially one of the the most powerful moments in the Star Wars saga- ruined because the kids couldn't act (or George Lucas can't direct, I don't know).

Bulworth- The only way to level the playing field between the rich and the poor is socialism. That's it. Hey, this isn't Canada, Beatty!

Akira Tubo wrote:
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> Actually, she only really fell for him *after* he killed the
> Tusken village.  She was a bit cold toward him until he
> confessed to killing all the women and children, then she was
> like, "Oh!  Anakin!"

Maybe they could recast the next movie with Woody Harrelson and Juliette Lewis as Anakin and Padme. They could go on a killing spree across the galaxy together.

>George Lucas can't direct, I don't know)

Mark Hamill in Star Wars vs Mark Hamill in anything else is my evidence that Lucas *can* direct :)

I'm too lazy to go through the entire thread so I don't know if this has been mentioned...

Signs: Atheism and skepticism bad. Blind faith GOOD!

That's how the ending came across to me. Being the filthy atheist I am, I'd have to disagree.

Another one: Ghost:
Patrick Swayze kills two people and still gets to go toward the light? I'm pretty sure several religions have a bone to pick with that...

Hamill in anything but Time Runner is proof that Lucas is a pretty good director,  but nothing extraordinary. C'mon! The Guyver was a good Hamill performance, if only for the over-the-top cheesiness he purposefully provided!

Plus, the guy's a God at doing cartoon voices.

Plus, the guy's a God at doing cartoon voices.

That he is, that he is.  Should've skipped "Laserblast" and gone straight to The Joker :)  

I had a hard time taking *anything* serious in "The Guyver"

This is how good Mark Hamill's Joker is: he's voicing over the onscreen actor who plays Mr. J for a few seconds of "Birds of Prey," premiering this Wednesday.

Fearless, it's a trivial thing, but Hamill was in "Laserhawk." "Laserblast" was that awful flick about the kid and his space bazooka who gets kilt by the unshelled turtle-people from the planet Lite-Brite. (It's reviewed here at BMO. Hoorah!) And "Lightblast" was a turdy Eric Estrada movie about a beam that melts people. And "Nighthawks" was a Sylvester Stallone cop movie. In approximately five hours, the last possible variant movie title ("Blasthawk") will be copyrighted and every computer in the world will promptly explode.

Fun moment: Hamill seems to accidentally "drop" his toon-voice for one line in "Batman: Mask of the Phantasm." He doesn't sound like the Joker at all, he sounds like Luke Skywalker. Now THAT's creepalicious.

How about "Lost World" (Jurassic Park 2) ?

- It's all right to get lots of people killed, as long as the animals are fine.

- Being an Earth-First-Dude makes you a moraly superior good guy, even if your actions result in quite a body-count.

Also a nice turn in Goldblum's Malcolm-character from "you're one sick idiot for bringing dinosaurs to live" to "dinos are all natural and catching them is really, really mean".

Nice contrast to "Ghostbusters" though.

Fearless, it's a trivial thing, but Hamill was in "Laserhawk." "Laserblast" was that awful flick about the kid and his space bazooka who gets kilt by the unshelled turtle-people from the planet Lite-Brite. (It's reviewed here at BMO. Hoorah!

*Doh*

I've seen both movies so that's probably why I messed up the name.

Working girl: Don't worry if you are overexploited and underrated at your job just for being a woman, sleeping with your boss will solve all those nasty problems.

Thelma and Louise: Once a woman has known personal freedom and realisation, there's no way she can be reenter male ruled society, so it is better to commit suicide, if possible in slow motion and in a picturesque landscape.


And this ones were suppossed to be  feminist flicks? It is nauseating.

Neville wrote:

> And this ones were suppossed to be  feminist flicks? It is
> nauseating.

Totally agree with you.

I also agree with the Mark Hamill being awesome as a voice artist.

Maybe a little off-topic, but there was an episode of Deep Space 9 with a questionable message.  (Ok, more than one episode but this one is the one I remember the best.)

The episode was about a woman from a planet with low gravity, so low people literally float around.  She was a metaphor for the disabled about as subtle as a whack on the face with a 2x4 with "METAPHOR FOR DISABLED" written on it.  The episode was mostly about her overcoming adversity and the condescending helpfulness of others (i.e. doing things for her when it would actually be within her abilities and to her benefit to do them heself).  The message, at first glance, would seem to be "You are only as disabled as you make yourself."

However, let us examine that a little.  Her body wouldn't even function in our gravity.  She'd die almost as soon as she stepped into it.  She really *is* disabled in our environment and there's nothing she can do about it.  It's a simple fact, not discrimination.

Furthermore, after she overcomes all sorts of obstacles and proves to everyone and herself that she's not a helpless little cripple . . . SHE GIVES UP AND GOES HOME!   Star Trek, from TNG forward, p**ses me off quite a bit with its overly-simplistic and ofttimes misdirected morality messages but this got me going like little else.  Why?  Because, with her taking that action, the message actually is:

"No matter how much you think you contribute, you're just getting in the way because of your disability.  Sit at home and let the normal people do everything."

F#$%ing Star Trek.

You know that reminds of a Star Trek TNG episode. i can't remember what the name was, it went something like this
There are some aliens, and they are convinced that wrap drive is bad, stating how there is a slim chance that going really fast in space will somehow mess everything up. While everyone is talking about it, one of the aliens decide to prove his point by blowing up a shuttle, which causes all the damage his race was talking about to actaully happen. And nobody seems all that upset at what the fool did. isn't that like saying:"I'll prove how dangerous this gun is by shooting myself in the head"
Anyway, that's just my thoughts on that

D wrote:
> You know that reminds of a Star Trek TNG episode. i can't
> remember what the name was, it went something like this
> There are some aliens, and they are convinced that wrap drive
> is bad, stating how there is a slim chance that going really
> fast in space will somehow mess everything up

Ohhhhh, I hated that episode. Somehow, in all the vastness of space, enough ships were passing over the same spot at warp to wear down the space there. What a crock.

If that wasn't bad enough, this was in a show that had space being bent, folded and twisted in all kinds of ways, with no ill effects.

Worst of all, at a time when environmentalism was fashionable, and I'm was beaten over the head by the evils of cars (which I was really into at that time), suddenly even Geordi LaForge can't enjoy his warp engines without having guilt trip laid on him. So much for Roddenberry's dream of a clean, efficient and relatively safe means of space travel.

Funny though, we never heard anything more about that problem, or the ridiculous speed limit that was stuck on the galaxy at the end of the episode.

The Cider House Rules- Abortion saves the day!

The Other Sister- The mentally disabled are just as sex-crazed as everyone else. Also, the only problem they really have is that they talk very, very slowly.

Any Julia Roberts movie- The world is a fabulous wonderland of happiness and fun as long as you're Julia Roberts.

Any Julia Roberts movie- The world is a fabulous wonderland of happiness and fun as long as you're Julia Roberts.

That was the message of  Michael Collins  (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0117039) and  Mary Reilly  (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0117002)?  :-)

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Cullen, SA at large.

How about Fatal Attraction? It's ok for a man to sleep around, and if the other woman gets pregant, then have your wife kill her.

Breeders-once a woman is raped (and turned into a lesbian) they are useless and there is only one humane thing left to do...DEEP FRY 'EM!

Sudden Impact - It's okay, in fact down right honorable, to go off on a vigilante killing spree (Gee Harry, get a piece and you go all soft, maybe the Vigilante Cops in Magnum Force didn't misjudge you).

Pretty Woman - Being a Hooker will land you the man of your dreams!  (Been said, but I just wanted to write it down myself)

Andrew Crow wrote:
>
> Three Ninjas: A world-renowned martial
> artist-turned-drug cartel ringleader will admit to being "the
> bad guy," and then get his ass handed to him by 3 brats, none
> of them older than 13, and will lose to an old fogie that can
> barely walk by having jelly beans placed in his mouth and
> then punched in the forehead. MORAL: Kids will kick your ass
> with jelly beans.
>
> Three Ninjas: High Noon At Megamountain: This has a
> few...
> 1. Theme park security NEVER notices a teenage girl tied to a
> roller coaster track, despite the fact that she's screaming
> for help.
> 2. Hulk Hogan HAS hair.
> 3. International criminals are all blundering idiots that can
> be stopped by a kid whose appearanced has changed completely
> 3 times.
> 4. Hulk Hogan is cool.
>
>

Here's one for Three Ninja's High Noon At Mega Mountain:
Lonnie Anderson can beat up Hulk Hogan(even while working on a computer.).

What about creator? That's ok to steal and lie to your empolyers, as long as you have a 'good' reason, than theft is ok.

The Beast- That any one who tries to make a profit is EVIL, and they will get eaten by a squid.

Ready to Rumble-That all wrestling fans are idots, and wrestling promoters are equal to a mob boss when it comes to personal power.

Mangler 2- unleashing a killer virus into your school's system is a good way to get back at the principal. And if said virus kills several people, than daddy will give you a vaction to Europe.

D

>The Beast- That any one who tries to make a profit is EVIL, and they will get
>eaten by a squid.

I've seen this mentioned before and always wondered why everyone defends the weasel. I think the point the movie was making wasn't just that he wanted to make a profit, but that he didn't care about anyone else. He has plenty of money, but still wanted the raft for himself, rather than allow the fishermen who found it to keep it, especially as the black guy was really hurting for money. Imagine this; you see a $20 bill lying on the street, but as you're walking over to it, a guy in a $2000 suit rushes over and snatches it right out from under you and then gets into a chauffer driven limo. Tell me you wouldn't think the guy was a greedy jerk.

John wrote:
> I've seen this mentioned before and always wondered why
> everyone defends the weasel. I think the point the movie was
> making wasn't just that he wanted to make a profit, but that
> he didn't care about anyone else. He has plenty of money, but
> still wanted the raft for himself, rather than allow the
> fishermen who found it to keep it, especially as the black
> guy was really hurting for money. Imagine this; you see a $20
> bill lying on the street, but as you're walking over to it, a
> guy in a $2000 suit rushes over and snatches it right out
> from under you and then gets into a chauffer driven limo.
> Tell me you wouldn't think the guy was a greedy jerk.
Well, just read the review over at Jabootu's. It can explain the film far better than this lowly one.

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Because it's wrong to say being involved in promiscuous sex and hard drugs might lead to AIDS?

I love Troma, but Lloyd's about the biggest jackass in the world. He rants (and rants and rants) about how crappy big Hollywood movies are and how evil Spielberg is when he has never made a competent film in his life. And I won't even go into his political rhetoric. Why Berkley hasn't just hired him as a professor of film is a mystery.

> still wanted the raft for himself, rather than allow the
> fishermen who found it to keep it, especially as the black
> guy was really hurting for money.

It was my understanding that he had a legal right to the raft, and it wasn't him personally who took it, but someone in his employ. That's really a minor detail anyway. If that was the most selfish thing he did, that's not bad. I can't say I saw the guy do anything to deserve being called a weasel, or to warrant the abuse heaped on him by the 'hero.' Really, he was doing a lot to revitalize the local economy, while the pompous, self-righteous, utterly rude hero was clinging to a dying past and heaping abuse on him for offering something else. He was scrawny little rich guy with glasses who had power and came from an influential local family, so we're supposed to hate him. He didn't do half the damage the hero did, and wasn't anywhere near as big an a***ole.

Jabootu has an in depth review of The Beast (http://www.jabootu.com/beast.htm) where he takes pains to explain why the 'hero' is one in name only because he certainly doesn't act like one, and the 'designated villian' is not nearly s bad as he treated by the hero

I've read it, and agree with it 100%. It's a very good, accurate analysis.

american psycho- dont rent anything made by that director again

KJ wrote:  Patrick Swayze kills two people and still gets to go toward the light? I'm pretty sure several religions have a bone to pick with that...
*****  In defense of the movie Ghost (now there's something I never thought I'd type), didn't Swayze kill two people because they were plotting to kill someone else?  While I can only vouch for Catholicism, I think most religions have a provision to allow killing in defense of one's own or another's life.

Backyard Dogs
That if you just put your body through hell, than a big time promoter WILL give you a contract. (oh, and that backyard wrestlers can earn any where from $500 to $1000 a match)

>didn't Swayze kill two people because they were plotting to kill someone else?

 Actually, he didn't kill anyone. The first guy he scared and the guy ran into traffic and got hit by a car. He could just as easily have stuck to the sidewalk rather than running out into the road. The second guy he knocked around a little in order to save the others and the guy fell into the window where the glass cut his throat. Both were accidental deaths, Swayze didn't intend to kill either of them.

The Original Star Wars Trilogy-An organization made up of rebels (that have former pirates and gamblers as generals) trying to overthrow a government are really the good guys.

Don't froget, D...

BACKYARD WRESTLING IS REAL, THE FAKEST-LOOKING MOVES ARE ALL REAL, AND A BED MATTRESS WILL MAKE THE SOUND OF A REAL WRESTLING RING.

As a fan of wrestling, and an occasional backyard wrestler (none of that hardcore s**t), I was deeply insulted by this movie. But hey, it had Hayabusa in it, so it wasn't ALL bad...

Well, you could say the same thing about the American Revolution.

Mark wrote:
>
> The Original Star Wars Trilogy-An organization made up of
> rebels (that have former pirates and gamblers as generals)
> trying to overthrow a government are really the good guys.

Just remembered this one while watching the World Series.
It is ok to use supernatural powers to win a game, while the other side is limited to people who have worked hard to develop their skills, not to mention cheating the fans who have paid to watch an honest game.  No, God doesn't want you to use your god-given talents to play the game, He'll just send down His angels.

Not to mention that peoples' relationships can and should hinge on the fortunes of a professional sports team.  You just know that awful marriage will last forever now.
Jeez.

what was that one movie.. "The Rookie" i think it was called:
the moral is:
Break your arm, it'll get you signed to a major baseball team.

That was "Rookie Of The Year".  I caught a few scenes from it last week and it was pretty bad.  I think the writer or director or whomever had, at best, seen maybe one baseball movie and *maybe* seen a game on T.V.  It was pretty obvious that they didn't really know anything about baseball, except maybe some social cliches.

It's the Malcome X "by any means necessary message. White man make money off of black man in black man's hood. Black man no like rules. Whilte man tell black man what to do. White man bad. Destroy white man because THE man is gonna come and side w/ white man no matter what happened. Spike Lee's morals are very egocentric. What ever we need to do to push back is okay.

Two films by that jerk named Ron Shelton:

1) "Tin Cup": If you can choose between winning and open golf, getting the woman of your dreams and earning the success that you have been deserving for years, all put together, or behaving childishly and ruining it all, choose the second, the film will pretend you are a winner and the woman will still find you charming, even if you are just an inmature s**thead.

2) "White man can't jump": It is a good day if you have lost all your money and your girlfrienf has abandoned you if you prove that white men can jump.

the only star trek episode i ever watched involved the station crew playing a baseball game.  some good one liners from Wharf (sp?).  "death to the opposition!" instead of "hey batter" and "find him and kill him!" when dealing with a runner that left base before tagging up.

I missed that one, but I remember his protestation "I  am *not* a Merry Man!" in the Q/Robin Hood epsidode