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Ok, so he's a pretty big star now after stuff like Twister, aliens, True Lies and APollo 13. Sure enough he'll probably continue to get offered big roles in blockbuster type films.

But to me, he's like the modern day b-movie star who got lucky...undeservedly. I don't really like him because mostly he looks like..and seems like the same guy. To me, he'll always be Chet. My lack of memory prevents me from remember what he did in stuff like "Next of kin" or 'predetor 2'. But for the most part he's either a
1. Gun toting crazy person
2. Killer
3. Victim
5. Jerk

Frailty (killer)
Boxing Helena  (I don't remember if anything happened to him, I just recall him being setup to view his armless legless girlfriend in a box and running out of the house or something. for the most part i've tried to block this film out of my mind)
mortuary (killer)
near dark (killer vampire)
pass the ammo (gun toting psycho)
brain dead (never saw it but i bet he's crazy or a killer)
weird science (jerK)
Night warning (something about a killer)
terminator (punk jerk)
future shock (something about the end of the world and aliens. But I think he's got a gun!)
true lies (jerK)

I guess he's payed his dues. I think if you were to ask the average person (which may not include big movie buffs.lol) what films he's been in they couldn't even remember all those, just the recent and blockbuster flicks. Amazing that given his past cheesefest that he has slipped into mainstream films without having been tainted by his past as some actors have where we cannot get past some bad memories of roles they did. With him it's like amnesia.
Tho with "Frailty" i wondered if he was going back to his roots ;-)

He's a character actor, nothing more, nothing less.  He'll play second fiddle 'good old bad boy' peronas to put bread on the table and, on a blessed occassion, land a plume roll in mega-budget hits like Apollo 13 and Twister until he dies.  Your comments can be made about any persona based character actor/actress (So and so always plays such and such).  I like Paxton because he plays them well.

But it's his understated Good Old Boy Sheriff roll in One False Move that showed me what a good actor he could be.  A Simple Plan is also a fairly good piece of work.

I understand his direction in Frailty was quite good as well,

I think Paxton isn't as good a character actor as others, i just don't think he has all that much talent. I think he can hold his own, but it seems that he's stereotyped himself into certain types of roles. He isn't the only one. Just thought it was a fun observation of his film work.

No matter what film i see him in, i always expect he's going to lean over at some point and say something like "How about a nice, greasy, pork chop sandwhich served in a dirty ashtray? huhuhuhuh" ;-)

Kinda like the same way I expect keanu to say something like "woah or excellent"

wait..he still does

I agree with Chadzilla on this one.....if I had to choose a CHARACTER actor as my favorite then Bill Paxton would be it!  
"And a pair of titties!  Make ya wanna stand up and beg for buttermilk!  Ass like a ten year old boy!"  WHAM@!!!!!!!!!!

A real "character" actor tends to be someone who's in alot of movies in supporting roles who you can't remember their name. The supporting guy type roles. I think paxton has passed that point now (tho he once was one)Buscemi is still in that category. Maybe there are two kinds of character actors these days, the ones you know and the ones you don't. I don't know if gary oldman would qualify but he's the guy that everyone I talk with doesn't know him or cant' recall his films. But in each of his films he is so different that it's no wonder you might not recall or even recognize him.


How about a list of some favorite character actors? ;-)

Check out "The Dark Backward" sometime. "Jerk" doesn't even BEGIN to describe Paxton's role in that one; he's loud, obnoxious, rude, betrays his best friend repeatedly, eats three-week-old chicken, licks a dead body he finds at the dump, has sex with three 400+ pound women, eats refried dogfood, has said women lick said dogfood off his body, plays the accordion... A thoroughly, thoroughly unpleasant character (I loved the movie, though-- why isn't it more notorious?).

Also, it should interest b-fans to note that, long before he was famous, Paxton got his start acting in music videos for Barnes & Barnes, like "Fish Heads," "Love Tap," "Pizza Face," "Soak it Up," and maybe others. (Ironically, he seems to be playing pretty normal guys in those ones).

As for my favorite character actors, let's see...
Jeffrey Combs
Dwight Frye
Tracey Walter
Miguel Ferrer
John Astin
Dick Miller (of course)

One film in particular that most people won't recognize Gary Oldman in, especially since he's uncredited,  is "Hannibal."  He plays the disgusting and vile revenge minded Mason Verger.

I beg to differ.  Character Actors are joke monikers because a lot of mainstreamers don't take the time to read the credits...film buffs are different.  Many times I would sit down just to watch a movie that features a few scenes with Dick Miller or Dub Taylor or Strother Martin or Yaphet Kotto or Harry Dean Stanton or Richard Jaekel or Dan Hedaya or L.Q. Jones or Charles Cyphers or Peter Jason or Joe Spinell or Frank/Joe Pesci or Murray Hamilton or Michael Ripper  or Michael Ansara or Ben Johnson or Warren Oates or Bruce Dern or Patrick Macnee or Geoffrey Lewis or Daniel Stern or Mitch Pileggi or Jim Siedow or John Heard or Neville Brand or Oliver Platt or Donald Pleasence or Ted Raimi for that matter.

Besides, as I said, Paxton is persona based actor (not unlike Keanu or Clint Eastwood or even Bogart for that matter) and sometimes the persona that the person does well rubs someone the wrong way - your feelings about Paxton mirror mine about Bruce Campbell (horrors!), yes he's a decent comic talent, but no matter what he does he always seems the same...smarmy and "Hey, its BRUCE CAMPBELL", no if he got the chance to go the route of Clint Eastwood or Sean Connery and got roles that played off it I might like him better.  He rocked in all 14 seconds in Spiderman (hey, what if HE had been the Green Goblin?)

Didn't really sounds too bad unilt you said he played the accordian

The Dark Backward is one of the sickest movies I've ever seen, and I'm a disgusting pervert. Gary Oldman is one of my all-time favorite actors. I do think he still qualifies as a character actor, despite two Oscar nominations, because he always plays interesting or quirky characters, and always in supporting roles, and also most non-film buffs don't recognize his name until you give them a filmography.

"Dracula...JFK...The Contender...The Fifth Element...(sigh)...Lost In Space,"
"Oh! That guy!"

I feel like i've sen "The dark backward", if I saw a trailer i'd know for sure but IMDB doesn't have one. Given your synopsis vermin boy, i can't imagine what the hell he was thinking when he read that script ;-)

I knew oldman was in "hannibal" most won't underneath the makeup. But in general he's SO different in his films, and accents and mannerism that this is the type of acting I really enjoy. "the professional" (bingo!), the crucible, true romance, air force one. He's the kind of guy who can get a major part and still not be recognized from film to film. Someone who can literally be someone else. Many actors are just themself with a new script.

If by definition you have this type of actor as a person in supporting roles playing distinctive characters then Tim Curry can qualify. From Transvestite to lord of darkness to evil clown he's pretty much covered the board. ;-) Sure movie buffs are a different breed, but i'm speaking mainstream. I feel if an actor's name and face isn't really solid enough to get recognized by viewers, staying in supporting roles with diverse characters that qualifies.

Paxton isn't the only one you have to wonder "What was he thinking?" about in that movie; it also features Judd Nelson, James Caan, Lara Flynn Boyle, Rob Lowe, and Wayne Newton (!). None can claim the "before they were stars" defense, either; all were well established by the time the movie came out.

I reiterate: I love that movie, despite (or maybe because of) the fact that it's one of the most grotesque things put on film. When I read the cover blurb comparing it to Brazil, Eraserhead, and Pink Flamingos, I thought they were just cashing in on the names of three major cult hits; The truth is, that combination is a pretty accurate description (maybe add some underground comics into the mix, too).

I absolutely love Dark Backward, and about 99% of Paxton's other films.  A lot of people think of him as a one dimensional actor because they mainly know him from Twister, Mighty Joe Young, and U-571.  But I believe the reason Paxton does so many twisted roles is because that's what appeals to him and he's great at playing incredibly bizarre characters.  Occasionally he'll give a real performance (One False Move, Simple Plan, Frailty, Traveller), but he's always drawn back to playing a jerk (Vertical Limit, he's great).  His filmography is loaded with great performances, Chet being one of them, quirky films, and just plain strange films.  I honestly believe he enjoys them, and he's one of the most underrated actors out there.  Or, wait a second, am I thinking of Bill Pulman?  (Speaking of Pulman, he and Paxton are great in the amazing Braindead, and yes, Paxton's a jerk, God bless him)

>seems the same...smarmy and "Hey, its BRUCE CAMPBELL

 Did you happen to catch his guess appearance on Charmed? Very serious with none of his usual humor.

>Tim Curry can qualify. From Transvestite to lord of darkness

And for just $10, you can own a mini Darkness figure complete with sword and unicorn horn.

I think my favorite underrated/character actor would have to be Kurtwood Smith. From father in Dead Poets Society & The Crush, to mousey businessman in 12:01PM, to vicious killer in Robocop to comedy dad in That 70's Show.

>>And for just $10, you can own a mini Darkness figure complete with sword and unicorn horn.<<

Goody, I can put him next to my incredible hulk action figure

>Goody, I can put him next to my incredible hulk action figure

Check your local KB Toys. TRU might have them too, haven't been there in a while.

 Darkness  (http://www.spawn.com/features/mm5/darkness.html)
 Darkness 2  (http://drive.phpwebhosting.com/~mmnet/mm5/darkness/index.htm)

I go to kb toys alot and haven't seen it. Would he be next to the care bears? lol

I just have a mental image of mothers across america walking down the aisle and getting a load of him ;-)

>I go to kb toys alot and haven't seen it. Would he be next to the care bears? lol

 Nope but he is usually in the isle with the Star Wars figures. Actually, look for the Spawn figures, since he's from the same company. Also check out the Djinn from Wishmaster, the Tooth Fairy from Darkness falls (two versions from what I've heard, open & closed mouth), Jason X, Sarah Connor from Terminator II (three different head versions I've read) and a very nice Terminator Endoskeleton that would be absolutely perfect if it didn't have giant platforms for feet. I may have to get a second one just to try shortening the feet to realistic proportions. Coming soon is a boxed Alien vs. Predator set that puts virtually every other action figure of these characters to shame.

>I just have a mental image of mothers across america walking down the aisle
>and getting a load of him ;-)

I'd love to see Jerry Falwell's reaction to it. :)

Actually, I was in my local toy store when series 3 had just come out and a mother was looking at the two Thing figures (bloody dog tower & Norris's head on a stalk, plus the head-spider) and she commented "Who'd buy their kids these disgusting things?" I wonder if she ever saw the 'bloody' version of Leatherface from series 1 with a severed arm & head in a bucket. :)

Or these figures from Clive Barker's Tortured Souls;

 Totured Souls  (http://drive.phpwebhosting.com/~mmnet/figures/souls/index.htm)

 Strangely, none of the mainstream toy stores seem to carry them...

I really think you have to be joking. "Legend" is upteen years old, why would the lord of darkness figure still be on shelves? I know some toys are making  a comeback (like carebears and such) but I can't imagine...particularly it being sold at a real kids toy store unless it specialized in adult collectibles.

I would have LOVED to have that figure if it had come out in the day when i was younger and playing with barbies. I used to have a mixed variety of toys I would use to play with my barbies (who would frequently get kidnapped and held hostage by the hulk doll while the barbie village was under attack by battlestar galactica ships) I had one barbie that wasn't a real barbie, she was my first doll and a cheap lightweight plastic thing I got overseas. Yo could easily remove all her limbs and sometimes the captor would send a limb to the others to show he was serious...lol. Then I had the plastic lion who's mouth would open when you flipped the switch on his stomach. You know, i STILL have these toys. Everything these days has sound effects and falls apart. I saved all my dime store toys, including my tomy pocket games.

Yeah..i wasn't a normal child. I was a bit of a tomboy and I had all these dolls..what's a girl to do? ;-)

No joke; McFarlane Toys released it as part of their "Movie Maniacs" line. Previous figures in the line include Ash (and Bad-Ash), Leatherface, and the oh-so-wrong Norman Bates action figure (with removable wig!), and all were released in mainstream toy stores. Czech it out at http://www.moviemaniacs.net.

Damn, toys that I SO needed when I was a kid (but I still get 'em now)

I have

Michael Myers
The Thing (both versions)
The Fly
Scream
And the oh so wrong Norman Bates

on a completely unrelated note

FULL MOON TOYS!!!

I also nabbed a Totem doll (from Puppet Master 4) and an original Tunneller as well.

Godzilla?

Roaring SpaceGodzilla, King Ghidorah, and Biollante, and some Godzillas to keep 'em in line (which is hard, they keep climbing off my bookshelves and scuttlin into my son's bedroom).

Being a Dad is cool, I can buy all this nifty stuff and not get a single funny look.

Wow!  That's an impressive list of character actors, but you forgot the king of the late-70's through early-90's:  M. Emmit Walsh.  I mentioned him in a recent post for his role in "The Jerk," but he was in about half of the movies that came out during the 1980's, usually as a lawyer, doctor, or old curmudgeon.  Probably best known as "Dr. Jellyfinger" in Fletch.

Yeah, one or two always slip through the radar.  Another great Walsh is J.T. (he of Breakdown, Needful Things, Backdraft, and Sling Blade).

Emmet is fun to watch, whether it be in Missing in Action or Clean and Sober.

>I really think you have to be joking. "Legend" is upteen years old, why would the

 Nope.

>lord of darkness figure still be on shelves? I know some toys are making a

 Because it just came out.

>comeback (like carebears and such) but I can't imagine...particularly it being
>sold at a real kids toy store unless it specialized in adult collectibles.

Movie Maniacs series 5 just hit the stores a short time ago. Most of the stores around here also still have a few stragglers from series 4 and even 3 hanging around. The whole line only started in 1998, I think.

Series 1
Freddy, Jason, Leatherface, Eve & Patrick (Species II). With the exception of the Patrick figure, this series came in 'bloody' and a tamer non-bloody version for stores like TRU. The three main killers were splattered with blood (plus Leatherface's severed arm & head weren't hidden in the back of the package) and Eve was available with and without nipples.

Series 2
Michael Myers, Norman Bates (in dress and removable wig), Ghostface, Pumpkinhead, The Crow (Brandon Lee), Chucky (not to scale with the other figures) and a box set of Chucky & Tiffany (from Bride of Chucky, includes Frankenstein version of Chucky)

Series 3
Ash (Army of Darkness), two different Thing figures, Edward Scissorhands, The Fly, Shaft, Snake Plissken and a giant boxed King Kong.

Series 4
Candyman, Evil Ash, Freddy (new version with removable hat), two different Blair Witch figures (original creations by the guy who created Spawn), the T-1000 (Terminator II with interchangable heads, bodies and arms), T-800 (supposed to be Arnold from the end of T2, but he pulled his consent at the last moment, so they had to add more damage to the head revealing more of the endoskeleton) and boxed Jaws set with shark and ship.

Series 5
Terminator Endoskeleton, Sarah Connor, the Djinn from Wishmaster, Darkness, Jason X and the Tooth Fairy (Darkness Falls, two versions) with an Alien vs. Predator boxed set.

 Plus there were several 18 inch figures. Except for the Jaws set, and the 18 inch figures ($45 each!) I have all of the above. Well, I haven't finished getting series 5 yet, but give me time. Check this page;

 Movie Maniacs  (http://drive.phpwebhosting.com/~mmnet/currentfigures.htm)

Ask at your local KB Toys, Electronics Boutique, for Movie Maniacs. Strangely, Amazon has Darkness listed as being discontinued or not stocked...

I also have the complete set of 8 inch Universal Monsters (color versions);

Series 1
Frankenstein, the Mummy, the Wolfman

Series 2
Bride of Frankenstein, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Phantom of the Opera

Series 3
The Invisible man, the Metaluna Mutant, the Hunchback of Notre Dame

Series 4
Werewolf of London, Son of Frankenstein (creature), the Mole People

Series 5
Son of Frankenstein (Ygor), Phantom (different costume),  Dracula

The main appeal of these figures is that they're perfect representations of the characters as they appeared in the films. Frankenstein and the Mummy really look like Karloff. Check this page for some (lousy) pics of the first two series;

 Universal Monsters  (http://www.halloween-toys.com/dolls/sideshowtoys/)

Given i go in KB frequently I've never seen those items, pumpkinhead? heh..I think the ones near me don't carry them for whatever reason. Maybe too many baptists around here? ;-)

Lord of Darkness bottles my mind..I mean i LOVE him as a villian but overall the movie was and really isn't that popular...not a classic or anything. Wonder if tim curry has lots of dolls from all his movies sitting somewhere. Boy what that shelf must look like

Wonder if edward scissorhands comes with real scissor hands..can't tell from the pics. And what's the fun of a norman bates doll without a little shower? ;-)

>Given i go in KB frequently I've never seen those items, pumpkinhead? heh..I
>think the ones near me don't carry them for whatever reason. Maybe too many
>baptists around here? ;-)

I'm sure you can find them online. If series 5 follows the previous ones, the figures should available until at least this time next year.

>Lord of Darkness bottles my mind..I mean i LOVE him as a villian but overall the

 Won't your mind smother in that bottle? :)

>Wonder if edward scissorhands comes with real scissor hands

They're only plastic, but they are movable. There's also an 18 inch version, of course with a $30-45 pricetag.

warning: when i typo I type another word
bottles=boggles  :)

no pinhead? aww

>no pinhead? aww

MacFarlane tried to get the Hellraiser license, but ran into problems. Now another company has it, NECA. Supposedly, they're made up of ex-McFarlane employees and they have the rights to do action figures. People say that the figures will be just as good as the Movie Maniac figures. I'll believe it when I see it. I'm hoping for a full set of the original 4 cenobites in the same scale as the MM figures.

They're also supposed to be making Gremlins figures.

See Paxton in THE DARK BACKWARD...

It has Bill Paxton like you've never seen him before.

For those who don't remember Paxton's role in the terminator movie as the punk ..here's a pic

http://www.destinationhollywood.com/movies/terminator/images/terminator_01.jpg

hehe!

Btw, in that Dark Backward did paxton have a third arm on his back? I can't seem to recall the movie tho i know i have seen it awhile back ago, maybe i'm getting it mixed up with some kind of tales from the crypt episode.

If The Dark Backward is what I'm thinking it is, Judd Nelson is a stand-up comic that doesn't get a break until he grows a 3rd arm. The entire movie had a real big "Tales From The Crypt" feel to it, though.