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Title: underated overrated? Post by: Evan3 on December 10, 2002, 06:40:25 PM First, I just received The Exorcist 3 and the Mothman Prophecies for Channukah and have seen neither. How are they??
Second the other day I watched this movie Fallen (with Denzel Washington) and nobody liked it. I thought it was fntastic. Very underrated. Also, from recent comments, you all apparently dont like Scream. I think Scream, Scream 2 and I know what you did last summer were all very well done, well written and well performed, and they probably saved horror movies from even further obscurity by Hollywood. Here are some other scary/sci fi. movies which I dont theink get the credit they deserve: The Omen Blair Witch Project Duel (a Spielburg movie) Mars Attacks Deuce Bigelow Male Giggolo Christopher Lee as Dracula The Astronaut's Wife The Devil's Advocate An American Werewolf in Paris Here are some terribly overrated movies Texas Chainsaw Massacres: Not scary, just disturbing, why bother even making it? American Psycho- Worst Movie Ever: hands down Urban Legends both of the new Star Wars films What are your thoughts on this Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: J.R. on December 10, 2002, 06:56:52 PM The Exorcist 3 is very good. It has good atmosphere, a nifty plot and some decent scares. I'd put it in the underrated category myself.
I think the first Scream is fun, but the trend of "ironic" slashers passing as horror it created (including Urban Legend) is nauseating. Scream should have bombed, like it was supposed to, and we should have discovered a fun little movie on video/DVD. I'd say you're a lucky, lucky man if American Psycho was the worst movie you've ever seen. I enjoyed it myself (though I read the book and I wish it stayed a little more faithful to the pop culture satire). Honestly, can you with good conscience say it's worse than any one slime-skull movies on this site? Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Fearless Freep on December 10, 2002, 07:05:31 PM I don't read mainstream press or business buzz about movies so I really don't know how 'rated' something is to consider it overrated or underrated. The best I can usually grasp is 'well known' or 'not so well known', but it really doesn't impact me. I know what I like, I watch what I want. I rarely know what others think, much less do I care
Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Evan3 on December 10, 2002, 07:07:09 PM Yes, I can say American Psycho was the worst movie EVER I have seen some bad ones, but that takes the cake. Someone should even review it for this site.
Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Mofo Rising on December 10, 2002, 08:34:33 PM I thought THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES was criminally underrated. Well, maybe not criminally, but it certainly deserved more than it got. I wrote my thoughts on the movie in a previous post (http://www.badmovies.org/bbs/read.php?f=2&i=19562&t=19193).
I also like EXORCIST III quite a bit. That Brad Dourif can certainly act when he needs to, not to mention George C. Scott. When I was working in the video store, I was surprised about how many people are into FALLEN. I didn't think it was that great, but many, many people think it's one of the best things they've ever seen. Strange. Title: Re: Fallen Post by: Chadzilla on December 10, 2002, 08:51:26 PM I like Fallen as well, but can see why some/most people hated it. Still, I respect a movie for not compromising its interior logic.
Title: Re: Fallen Post by: Drezzy on December 10, 2002, 09:55:18 PM Evan, did you understand American Psycho? I'm not trying to "diss" you or anything, but it's been my experience that most people that don't like it don't really "get" it.
Let's see...overrated... The Exorcist The Matrix The Omen Underrated... $la$her$ The Dead Hate The Living! Phantasm series Title: Re: Fallen Post by: Perk on December 11, 2002, 12:18:16 AM At first I didn' like Fallen but I liked The First Power more. Funny thing is that all Fallen was to me was The First Power with Denzel instead of Lou Diamond Philips and maybe that is what tainted my response. I mean Fallen did have Time Is on My Side as the main song, but The First Power had a wicked nun. However after watchin Fallen again I actually enjoyed it, just not as much as The First Power
Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Megafury on December 11, 2002, 12:45:14 AM Star Wars Phatom Menace was over rated before it first came out hten it just became a big dissapointment. Attack of The Clones didn't really get over rated cause everybody was thinking of Spider-Man.
One movie that is underrated I think is, Excalibur, I think I might do a serious review of that and submit it to this site Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Funk, E. on December 11, 2002, 12:52:23 AM Exalibur isn't a b-movie and therefore doesn't belong on this sight, but I agree with you. It's my all time favorite.
Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Megafury on December 11, 2002, 12:55:40 AM I guess it isn't a b-movie, oh well....
That movie had everything though, violence, nudity, and good story telling. Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Funk, E. on December 11, 2002, 01:00:39 AM yeah... it's pretty much the bomb, but it is also just about the plutonic form of the antithesis of b-movieness.
Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: J.R. on December 11, 2002, 02:03:57 AM Underrated
The Time Machine (2002)- I think most people dislike it just because it's a remake. The Young Sherlock Holmes- A great 80's adventure in the Spielberg vein. It got a bad rap because it played around with the Holmes mythos. Top Secret!- One of the funniest movies ever, yet not as well known as Airplane!. Blacula Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Neville on December 11, 2002, 12:23:12 PM I didn't like "Fallen" at all. The premise was interesting, but the execution was cold and boring. I couldn't really get involved in anything that happenned in the TV screen, and that is something I really hate, unless the storytelling can offer something to compensate.
About "American Psycho", I had read the book several times before watching the movie, so I knew more or less what to expect, so I wasn't dissappointed at all. Maybe the problem people have with it is that the second half of it changes the tone and the whole thing tries to be more serious than it should. Anybody seen the DVD sequel? Any good? It even has William Shatner! Title: Re: The First Power Post by: Chadzilla on December 11, 2002, 01:08:26 PM Glad to see that some one else out there LIKES The First Power.
Title: Re: Fallen Post by: Creepozoid on December 11, 2002, 01:35:28 PM FALLEN is a total rip-off of THE HIDDEN. That's why I didn't like it.
Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: wheresthecarrot on December 11, 2002, 04:08:21 PM I thought Mothman was one of the worst movies i remember seeing...and not B-movie bad or cheesy bad so you love it, but actually just bad.
Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Fearless Freep on December 11, 2002, 04:49:17 PM FALLEN is a total rip-off of THE HIDDEN. That's why I didn't like it.
If I disliked movies just because they were total rip-offs of other movies...I'd dislike a *lot* of movies :) Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Funk, E. on December 11, 2002, 04:50:50 PM Yeah, I'm w/ Fearless on that one. "There's nothing new under the sun"
Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: JohnL on December 11, 2002, 09:43:53 PM I like most of the movies mentioned in this thread, especially The Mothman Prophesies and even the Scream movies.
Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Evan3 on December 11, 2002, 10:13:03 PM Finally, someone who liked Scream and is willing to admit it.
Also, I thought if nothing else Fallen was suerbly acted, I havent seen the other ones you are talking about, such as the Hidden and The First Power. But think if you had seen Fallen first, would you have enjoyed it more? About the TIme Machine, I disliked it for two reasons. Although the remake was far superior in some ways, you should never go to a movie expecting the re make to be better you will end up disappointed. I thought that the search to save his love as well as his foray into the future were very well done. However, the movie totally changes veins and becmes too quick, doesnt develop the characters really and there is too much razzle dazzle. Then, the ending too is ridiculous. it was like, whoah we are out of time, lets end this f**ker. Lastly, maybe I didnt understand American Psycho entirely, but to my knowledge, it was a picture inside the wanderings and fantasies of a mad man. It committed the 3 sins bad acting, really no point, and way too many liberites, with reality. I f my memory serves me well, all of that violence was dreamt, so what was the point? Ugh. Well, was the book better, am I missing something? Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Megafury on December 11, 2002, 11:55:32 PM I just noticed Duel with on that underrated list. Thats the one with the truck right? Thats a great movie. It had lots of suspense and I was pulling my hair when nobody believed the guy when he said there was a truck messing with him, I really got into that movie when I first saw it.
Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: J.R. on December 11, 2002, 11:56:25 PM <>
It wasn't a dream. He really did kill those people, but because of the shallowness and formality of 80's yuppie culture no one suspected him. They believed him to be someone else because to them everyone's just a haircut and a suit. Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: JohnL on December 12, 2002, 06:18:44 AM >It wasn't a dream. He really did kill those people, but because of the
>shallowness and formality of 80's yuppie culture no one suspected him. They >believed him to be someone else because to them everyone's just a haircut >and a suit. So what was going on with reality changing on him and bodies disappearing? At least that's what I remember from the one time I watched it. Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Creepozoid on December 12, 2002, 12:54:50 PM Fearless Freep wrote:
> > FALLEN is a total rip-off of THE HIDDEN. That's why I > didn't like it. > > If I disliked movies just because they were total rip-offs of > other movies...I'd dislike a *lot* of movies :) True. But what I hate is when a b-movie gem is ripped off and turned into a piece of mainstream garbage like FALLEN. Another example is PANIC ROOM. Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Evan3 on December 12, 2002, 03:59:25 PM Plus, didnt everybody end up alive in the end of American Psycho who he should have killed?.
Also, what makes going mainstream a bad thing. If Fallen was a rip off, at least it spread the idea to a much larger audience than would have seen it before. Plus I would not consider Fallen mainstream by any stretch. Also, Duel was Spielburg's first movie about the truck. It is like nothing else that he has done yet. I highly reccomend it. Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: BoyScoutKevin on December 14, 2002, 03:19:52 PM The true test of how I feel about a movie. Not like, not dislike, but underrated and overrated. The first two change over time, but, an underrated movie is always underrated (IMHO), and an overrated movie is always overrated (IMHO) Six from the horror genera.
Underrated Lair of the White Worm. A big surprise, but, I think it is finally getting the recognition it deserves. As it is a much smarter film, then most people suppose. Overrated: Blair Witch Project Hey, moron. Do you think you can find a stream and follow that stream downhill. Of course, if they had the sense to do that, there wouldn't be a film. Underrated: Bram Stoker's Dracula. For the cinematography, costumes, and sets. For the menace of Gary Oldman. For one of the best action sequences I have ever seen in a horror film. For the best Renfield (Tom Waits),, I have ever seen in a Dracula film. And for including all the major characters from the book. Overrated: The Craft Even for most films that I think are overrated, I can understand why some people mgiht like them. But, would someone explain what is so great about this one? Underrated: Blue Velvet. This may not strictly be a horror film, but, it is so similiar in so many ways to "Lair of the White Worm," I think of it as a horror films. Underrated, if only for the acting of Dennis Hopper, who gives one of his best performances. Overrated: Sleepy Hollow Though, this film pays homage to "Ichabod and Mr. Toad," this film is netierh as scary nor funny, nor are the action scenes done as well as in that one. And with Bing Crosby doing the voals in "Ichabod and Mr. Toad," nor is the music as well done. And the acting is nothing to write home about neither. Watch Michael Gambon in this one, then watch him in "The Insider," and see in which one he gives the better performance. Enjoy! Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: trollificus on December 14, 2002, 08:55:03 PM Some thoughts from a noob with no particular claim to cinematic critical authority:
American Psycho-you shouldn't have to 'get it'. And Ellis is part of what he claims to satirize. Blair Witch Project- a scam. As an experiment in internet buzz-creation, a novelty. Interesting film-school project idea. Not as bad as most people (who felt betrayed after all the hype) thought. Mars Attacks-bad. and not 'bad in a good way' bad. Bad in a bunch of self-indulgent Hollywood a***oles way. Duel-Just occurred to me that this is the only case I can think of in which the movie (great) was EXACTLY as good as the short story (great). Very enjoyable. The only thing missing is, at the end of the short story, the exhausted driver stands on a cliff overlooking the smoking wreck of the devil truck and emits a bestial scream of victory. I expected that in the movie, thought it would have worked great. Time Machine-I kinda liked the characterization and backstory that the original lacked, but good comments above on the 'what do we put in the last ten minutes?' ending and the 'put your arm through' plot holes that my 12-year old picked up on-and she NEVER criticizes ANY movies. Did I mention I'm a ramblin' kind of guy? S Sorry. Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Deej on December 17, 2002, 07:28:49 PM Thanks!! Finally someone who thinks Texas Chainsaw Massacre is overrated. Now...If only I can convince the rest of the world that Halloween is crap!
Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: J.R. on December 17, 2002, 07:42:33 PM <
You won't. Anyone who does not like Halloween is probably dead inside. It's one of the best horror movies ever. To each his own and all, but I will still consider ill anyone that does not think it's great. Sorry. Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Creepozoid on December 17, 2002, 08:32:22 PM I'll admit, HALLOWEEN is a little contrived, and the SCREAM re-makes, err, sequels that Dimension is putting out is making Mike's sparkle start to wear off...but the original ain't crap, that's fer sure.. If you ask me, he should have hung up the mask a long time ago and allowed the series to go in another direction as planned.
Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Scott on December 17, 2002, 09:41:11 PM Just some thought on the movies mentioned above.
Mothman Prophecies = Good. Well Done. Texas Chainsaw Massacre = Great. Real Terror Phantasm = Good. You have to like the Tall Man walking around. Star Wars Episode 1&2 = Bad. I was dissappointed, but I'm sure I'll see the rest. Excalibur - Great. Music, Images, Story Duel - Great. I'll never forget this one from my youth. Blair Witch - Bad. The Worst. I liked the tape about the movie better. Bram Stokers Dracula - Good. Well Done. Might have to see it again. Sleepy Hollow - Bad. Bored me. Images were good. Haven't seen these film below. I might add them to my list to be seen. Anyone dislike them? Astronauts Wife The Dead Hate the Living First Power The Hidden Top Secret (is this the one with the cow in boots) Lair of the White Worm (I think I seen some of this and didn't interest me) Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Evan3 on December 18, 2002, 12:54:16 AM All I have to say is that Texas Chainsaw Murders isnt scary it is SICK.
Also, the first Halloween was great. Finally, the Astronaut's Wife is well done. Superb acting by Johnny Depp. It is a lot like Rosemary's Baby, but I must admit that the end disappoints me..... Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Creepozoid on December 18, 2002, 11:39:56 AM DEAD HATE THE LIVING is easily the best zombie film of the 90s.
Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Neville on December 18, 2002, 11:48:35 AM I saw "the astronaut's wife" on TV and didn't like it at all. It tried to be eerie and suspenseful, but found it dull and boring. The only remarkable thing is the climax. It is not good, but all the pressumed seriousness of the film finally goes out of the window and we finally get some madness. Acting was decent, though.
Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: JohnL on December 19, 2002, 02:01:34 AM >Bram Stokers Dracula - Good. Well Done. Might have to see it again.
I didn't like this one. Many of the cast members, especially Keanu, & Winona, didn't give me the impression that they belonged in that time period. Hopkin's character was a loud-mouthed jerk and I was rooting for him to die. The shots of the mansion and the train were obviously models (I'm told that was intentional). The shadows on the wall at the start seemed like an afterthought since none of the actors ever reacted to any of them. >Astronauts Wife I didn't like this one either. As someone else mentioned, it was a blatant ripoff of Rosemary's Baby and was completely predictable with the requisite cliched, 'twist' ending. >The Hidden Pretty good I thought, the SciFi Channel sequel sucks. >Top Secret (is this the one with the cow in boots) Yup. >Lair of the White Worm (I think I seen some of this and didn't interest me) I liked it except for the requisite cliched 'twist' ending that *ALL* horror movies are required to have now. Title: Top Secret Post by: Deej on December 19, 2002, 06:27:22 AM Nazis, surf music, skeet, big hair, and the Anal Intruder 2000. What's not to like? I thought it was HYlarious. But, I also liked CopRock and Janr Austen's Mafia, so not the best recomendation. What fake dog poo?
Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Creepozoid on December 19, 2002, 11:04:02 AM Dracula '92 just goes to show you that mainstream Hollywood has no business tampering with gothic horror. That's Ted (Subspecies) Nicolau's speciality,
Title: Re: Top Secret Post by: Pancho on December 19, 2002, 09:18:32 PM I have some unpopular opinions I guess, Halloween bores me more than I can ever say. I also like Jack Frost though (which gets me into trouble on this board) and for the final thing that's sure to p**s everyone here off; I'm tired of Army Of Darkness. There, I said it. It was good the first 20 times I saw it but every time one of my friends wants to be introduced to b-movies they want to see this one. I'm 16 and I've seen it at least 48 times, no more. Please. Evil Dead 2 was better anyway in my opinion. Please forgive me.........
Title: Re: Top Secret Post by: Funk, E. on December 19, 2002, 09:30:45 PM It's okay Pancho, Iv'e got your back. Army of darkness was nice but your right ED2 was better. Halloween didn't do much for me either except for it's craftsmanship. I can appreciate that, but I'm not into slasher flicks in general. Especially not American Slasher flicks. At least the Italian ones made some jesture towards analyzing the killers motives. The American ones are content to assume that they're all homocidal maniacs from birth or something. As for Jack Frost... well... you're on your own.
Title: Re: Jack Frost Post by: Pancho on December 19, 2002, 09:34:28 PM Well, Jack Frost was my first b-movie, maybe it's just got a soft spot in my heart. By the way, does the E stand for Eric by any chance?
Title: Re: Jack Frost Post by: Funk, E. on December 19, 2002, 09:40:48 PM Yes, why?
Title: Re: Jack Frost Post by: Pancho on December 19, 2002, 09:58:31 PM Just nice to know there's other people on this board with my name.
Title: Re: Jack Frost Post by: Funk, E. on December 19, 2002, 10:01:27 PM Oh, cool. please to "meet" you.
Title: Re: Jack Frost Post by: Pancho on December 19, 2002, 10:06:25 PM The pleasure's mine. Although I'm jealous that your last name is cool.
Title: Re: Jack Frost Post by: Funk, E. on December 19, 2002, 10:18:13 PM Once I got out of high school it was :-D
Title: Re: Jack Frost Post by: Evan3 on December 20, 2002, 02:53:07 AM Oh, I thought of another one that is very underrated. Dracula 2000. It flew under most scanners, but damn was it exciting and interesting. If you get the DVD the cut scenes should have been included. They are great,.
Title: Re: Jack Frost Post by: Creepozoid on December 21, 2002, 12:31:35 AM Evan3 wrote:
> > Oh, I thought of another one that is very underrated. Dracula > 2000. It flew under most scanners, but damn was it exciting > and interesting. If you get the DVD the cut scenes should > have been included. They are great,. Blech. They are actually making two DTV sequels to that thing. Title: Re: Jack Frost Post by: J.R. on December 21, 2002, 01:55:46 AM Oh, when we're talking overrated we musn't forget Ginger Snaps. Anyone who considers this amazing display of all sorts of crap anything better than "God-awful" is seriously overrating it.
Title: Re: Jack Frost Post by: Scott on December 21, 2002, 10:58:50 AM RED PLANET MARS is underated. This film was neat.
The DRACULA was a miss for me, but I did like the origins of Dracula theory about Dracula being Judas was interesting. With the subject of the cross and silver being brought up. Title: Re: Jack Frost Post by: Creepozoid on December 22, 2002, 12:43:21 AM J.R. wrote:
> > Oh, when we're talking overrated we musn't forget Ginger > Snaps. Anyone who considers this amazing display of all sorts > of crap anything better than "God-awful" is seriously > overrating it. I think you're in a minority there. Title: Re: underated overrated? Post by: Fearless Freep on December 22, 2002, 12:57:54 AM The DRACULA was a miss for me, but I did like the origins of Dracula theory about Dracula being Judas was interesting. With the subject of the cross and silver being brought up.
I think you mean "Dracula 2000" |