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Title: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: wycked nick on May 16, 2003, 03:55:30 AM
Why is it that most horror movies now days are so lame.There just a bunch of bloody special effects,and frankly thats not scary. It seems the direrctors are just trying to one up on the other by having the bloodiest special effects, but they don't pay enough attention to what truly make a horror movie scary and thats atmosphere.
Look at some of the great horror movies:The texas chainsaw massacre,The Thing(remake),Night of the living dead and Dawn of the dead,Charlie and the chocolate factory(dude those f**king Umpa Lumpas are freaky and you can not tell me Willy Wonka is not evil.),The hills have eyes,and Hellraiser, there are many more to, but I can't name them all these are just the ones that stand out to me.All these movies had great atmosphere and were creepy to watch.They didn't go for bloody shock effects but tried to scare you through the use of the charectors and the atmosphere that suronds them.
Now days movies like:House on haunted hill,13 ghosts,Ghost ship,Resident Evil, and Fear dot com, just lack in scares.There is no atmosphere to them.the charectors have become lame and just seem to be there for meat.There just isn't any scares in them.
I found Signs to be more frrighting than any of the above metioned movies.


Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: wycked nick on May 16, 2003, 03:56:30 AM
by the way I know I can't spell


Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: Brother Ragnarok on May 16, 2003, 04:46:13 AM
I actually thought the House on Haunted Hill remake was quite good.  Unfortunately Dark Castle quickly went to s**t with 13 Ghosts and Ghost Ship, but at least they got ONE movie right.
And let's not forget that House of 1000 Corpses slays all in its path.
But there are tons of great horror flicks out there, they just don't get released in theaters.  Although it's kind of irritating that the genre NEVER gets any of the credit it deserves exactly because all the crap goes to the theaters and the good stuff hits the shelves right away, it makes being a fan more fun.  The joy of sitting down with a new movie after I actually had to do some work to get it will never fade in my eyes.
So I say (and this is Plan B after invading Hollywood, of course) let's just keep doing what we're doing.  Let's not go out and give another ticket sale to a half-assed "horror" flick that we know is going to suck s**t just because we have nothing better to do.  Instead, take half an hour, go down to the video store, and rent (or buy, whichever works) the next Wendigo or Ginger Snaps or The Item (yeah, I know not all of you like those flicks, but you get the idea).  Give the inventive new talent the credit they deserve, and let them know that you appreciate what they're doing.  Words come cheap.  We can b***h about the state of mainstream genre cinema all day long, and sometimes that's fun to do, sure.  But when it comes right down to it, we have the ability to make a mark and push against the tide of idiots rushing out to see Valentine or what have you.  We are the people who CREATED this f**king genre and kept it going.  We are the ones who know and love it, so let's give something back to it and tell the studios to go f**k themselves.  We'll find our entertainment elsewhere.
Sorry this turned into sort of a diatribe, but goddammit, it's true.

Brother R



Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: The Burgomaster on May 16, 2003, 09:57:59 AM
I think that Friday the 13th sent horror movies spinning off in a new (bad) direction. I am a big fan of the horror movies of the 1970s (especially the ones that were produced in Europe). Friday the 13th launched a bunch of "masked slasher" rip-offs, then one thing led to another, until we got to today where everything is special effects and blood.

Bring back the 70s, I say.



Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: Mr_Vindictive on May 16, 2003, 10:08:09 AM
Brother R, we agree again.  I would much rather watch a new indie horror films than sit through some rehashed crap at a theater!  We are a nation, as a whole, without creativity or imagination.  We want everything to be spelled out for us in films.  We don't want to have to use our minds!  And even if we tried, it wouldn't work.  They're mush from all of the crap that we have been subjected to from all of the years of sitcoms and made for tv movies.  Not to forget our fast food!

We are a nation of idiots, being ran by idiots.  When someone tries to be creative in this society, do they get recognition for it!?  No!  They get their film shown in less than a thousand theaters in the country, or the film goes straight to video.  If DTV is the case, then the mindless minions of Hollywood Video and Blockbuster and the like will not rent it because they would consider it crap for being DTV, not even considering the fact that it could be the greatest film they had ever seen.  No, not our mindless society.  Atleast there are a few of us, like Brother R, who are into good films such as Wendigo.....

Wow...I feel a lot better.



Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: Kirk on May 16, 2003, 10:37:50 AM
I blame the cheezy CGI monsters that seem to populate everything that comes out of Hollywood nowadays.  CGI monsters just don't scare me.  They don't have mass like a guy in a suit.

I think it has to do with knowing that an actor who is in a room with 200 REAL spiders/scorpions/snakes is in a situation that most of us would find uncomfortable (at least), while an actor in a room with 200 CGI critters is not.

Kirk


Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: Evan3 on May 16, 2003, 11:53:17 AM
Just wait a bit

I will agree that about 75 percent of the s**t out in theatres is real s**t. However, you occasionally strike gold with movies like The Ring (a decent remake), Frailty, fun and Steven Kingish, and Williard (hmmm another remake), Blair Witch and Pitch Black.

However, you must remember that most of America does not see nearly the horror/sci fi that we do. Therefore, the mass populace goes out to see movies that have VERY good trailers (Darkness Falls, tied for worst movie ever, is # 1 for three weeks? ugh) and studio exec say, well, we are on to SOMETHING.

So I chalk all of these bad, successful films, to ignorance, and studios pretty much abandoning their good filmssuch as Williard for cheap fare that the KNOW will still work, like Final Destination 2.



Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies?
Post by: Chadzilla on May 16, 2003, 01:25:52 PM
The studios release watered down mass market movies while the indies go for the edge.  Nothing new there, really.  Some of the horror movies that came out that impressed and/or worked for me are...

The Sixth Sense (I thought it was an excellent ghost story, sue me)
The Blair Witch Project (it built a rather credible fictional legend and a few creepy moments)
Session 9
Wendigo (wow, intelligent, thoughtful, and has a goofy monster - if I ever made a movie, it would be this one)
Below (a truly great ghost story!)

Honorable mentions go to
Stir of Echoes, The Item, The Ring

Guilty Pleasures (of come on, I'm a not only a b-movie fan, I'm a bad movie fan as well)
Jason X, Halloween: Resurrection, Deep Blue Sea

There are others, they're just hiding in the debris littered wreck that is my mind.



Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies?
Post by: Dave: Blackeye15 on May 16, 2003, 01:56:27 PM
I did a similar topic like this before and I agree how the U.S. is quite stupit but I have found some gems in horror.

The Sixth Sense: GOOD STUFF!

The Blair Witch Project: SCARED ME ALL RIGHT!

DOG SOLIDERS: ENTERTAINING , SCARY, and HAD PLOT HOLES.

IN THE WOODs: (I think that's the title) SO NICE SCARY SCENES, COOL MONSTERS, AND ACTUAL CHARACTERS. (Has a few bad things but I the characters are deffinatly better than other horror movies)

The Tremors movies: NICE 50 LIKE GIANT MONSTER MOVIES.

8 LEGGED FREAKS: NOT to-BAD GIANT BUG MOVIE.

-the first rule of fat club-


Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: Johnny Blister on May 16, 2003, 01:58:10 PM
STOP BASHING HORROR!

Horror is in top notch form.It has never been better.
And believe,it has endured the blows of movies like"The Haunting"and"Freddy´s Dead:The Final Nightmare".


Title: Re: In the Woods?
Post by: Chadzilla on May 16, 2003, 02:10:45 PM
Dave: Blackeye15 wrote:

> IN THE WOODs: (I think that's the title) SO NICE SCARY SCENES,
> COOL MONSTERS, AND ACTUAL CHARACTERS. (Has a few bad things but
> I the characters are deffinatly better than other horror
> movies)
>

Excuse me, was that the low, low budget movie about the firefighters that went hunting in the woods, found the altar, messed with it, then had a monster leaving them presents afterwards?  That movie was terrible!  Nifty idea that, while the director managed to pull of some nice moments, needed for the script to be retooled.  The story was sloppy and unfocused (I swear it played like a first draft) with various plot elements and subplots getting tangled up and tripping over each other.  Still, I'd watch it again, so maybe it wasn't that bad.

Another one I'd recommend is The Last Broadcast.  A weak, albeit interesting, mock-documentary about a some geeks that were slaughtered in the pine barrens while attempting a public access show on the Jersey Devil.  Be warned, the movie has a flawed ending that could ruin it for you.



Title: Re: In the Woods?
Post by: Dave: Blackeye15 on May 16, 2003, 02:34:57 PM
Yeah that's the movie I was talking about. I admit it didn't make that much about the sword fight and the monsters back story, and I wish we saw more of the taller monster, and more of the Hell Dog and Taller monster fight. And I do believe the director was trying to have character developement unlike so many other horror movies that have been made in the last few years , so I think the movie was more of a winner than a loser.

-the first rule of fat club-


Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: wycked nick on May 16, 2003, 02:36:31 PM
Thats a good point brother ragnarok.didn't really think about it like that


Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: Brother Ragnarok on May 16, 2003, 03:40:39 PM
Um...WE'RE NOT BASHING HORROR!
We're bashing BAD horror, and there is a difference.  Pay attention, boy!

Brother R



Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: Andrew Crow on May 16, 2003, 07:01:11 PM
I must see Wendigo...it's distributed by Troma, correct (DISTRIBUTED)? Because I think I remember seeing an ad for it when I rented Redneck Zombies.

Don't be dissing Resident Evil. That movie was a fun piece of s**t to sit back and watch with a bag of popcorn. Nothing more, nothing less. Plus...Michelle Rodriguez AND Milla Jovovich...MMHMM...


Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: Chadzilla on May 16, 2003, 07:13:49 PM
Andrew Crow wrote:

> I must see Wendigo...

Yes, it is good - Artisan picked it up for a video release.



Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: Johnny Blister on May 16, 2003, 07:16:27 PM
Resident Evil promote Buffy-like whory lesbianic b***hes,and I HATE that!


Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: Andrew Crow on May 18, 2003, 12:04:51 AM
Sha?


Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: jmc on May 18, 2003, 12:04:12 PM
Couldn't get through WENDIGO--gave up after about 30-40 minutes.  Or maybe it just seemed that long.  

The problem with horror movies is the problem with most other movies--lack of originality and the films being viewed more as a marketing tool.  I think one of the worst things to happen was the decline of the musical score in favor of the "various artists" soundtrack you hear today.  

Still, occasionally you'll see a good film released.  I liked THE RING and WILLARD.  

Personally, I think the gore is a little weak these days.


Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: Johnny Blister on May 18, 2003, 12:16:20 PM
Go watch"House Of 1000 Corpses",and THEN tell me horror is dead.


Title: Johnny....
Post by: Mr_Vindictive on May 19, 2003, 07:55:06 AM
Who said that horror was dead????  Horror is only in a recession.  Once in a while a great new horror film will come along (ie: Below, House of 1000 corpses, etc) but for the most part, new horror films suck.  Sure like JMC said, The Ring was good as was Williard, but there are very few new horror films that are unique.  Hell, The Ring wasn't even unique based on the fact that it was a remake of the Japanese film (Which was much better).  

We have been in a horror recession for years now.  Scream was a small breakthrough, but it caused yet another problem, with the rip offs that followed.  Maybe a zombie film would bring some energy back into the genre.  Hell, maybe Freddy Vs. Jason will kickstart the horror genre once more.....  Who knows.



Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: jmc on May 19, 2003, 08:32:57 PM
I consider American horror films to have been in "recession" since the mid-Eighties.  Too many sequels and franchises--I thought the SCREAM films really just made things worse.

I thought the Ring remake was better.  The original had a few scary scenes, but the pacing was too slow to make it quite worth the ride.  I should see it again, though, since I haven't watched it in a few years.  But the remake was just more entertaining to me, even with a few missteps.  

I need to see 1000 CORPSES.  The fact that it was made by someone who is a fan might help things.  At this point I'm pretty much content to watch older films and see the occasional good new one.


Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: Johnny Blister on May 19, 2003, 08:38:03 PM
Well,I DON´T think horror is"in recession".


Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: Brother Ragnarok on May 19, 2003, 08:47:40 PM
You've got a point there, J-Mac.  There are so damn many cool-ass old horror movies to be watched that the current market can just be ignored if there's nothing you're interested to see.  I think it's safe to say that underground horror has never been in recession.  There are always cool movies being made by someone, but like I said, it's just a matter of going out and tracking them down, which just makes them that much sweeter when you find one.

Brother R



Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: spikesangel on May 20, 2003, 04:59:01 AM
speaking of The Ring (Ringu) has anyone seen Audition?
do you guys think that qualifies as horror, or more psychological thriller?



Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: jmc on May 20, 2003, 12:39:17 PM
I think it's more horror--it's graphic.  I liked Audition a little better than Ringu--it didn't move any faster, but the ending just creeped me out.   It's worth seeing.


Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: Brother Ragnarok on May 20, 2003, 01:06:46 PM
Ah, the famous "psychological thriller."  Here's what I have to say about that...THERE'S NO SUCH THING!  That term is only used by directors who are too pansy to admit that they're making a horror movie.

Brother R



Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: Dave: Blackeye15 on May 20, 2003, 02:16:47 PM
I say horror is in recession. There have been a few decent and entertainging horror movies, but more crappy one than entertainging ones.

-the first rule of fat club-


Title: Re: Whats up with horror movies now days
Post by: TC on May 20, 2003, 05:06:23 PM
I could apply the ideas in this thread to action movies as well.  Action movies these days suck....Too much PG-13 crap like XXX or any of Arnold's recent vehicles like Collateral Damage or The 6th Day.  Remember in the 1980s when action movies had actual action in them?  Like any of the Chuck Norris films like Invasion USA or Missing in Action....Or the Charles Bronson movies.   Or Stallone or Arnold (when they actually made decent action movies).  Those movies didn't worry about being politically correct.  It was all about killing, explosions, and nudity for no reason.  Now, you get watered down junk.   Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go watch American Ninja 2.