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Title: Movies (present or recent) that have been milked dry
Post by: N. E. Moses on July 04, 2001, 09:45:59 PM
I have a teaser for you guys: Think of a movie series of any kind, regardless of how good it is that gives you a been there, done that additude.  For example, the Karate Kid series.  After "The Next Karate Kid" , that should be its last "hiya!!!"


Title: Re: Milked Dry
Post by: Squishy on July 05, 2001, 03:31:00 AM
"Halloween." Degenerated into "Friday The 13th"-style slasher-junk with the very first sequel, and has gotten steadily worse ever since.
 
"Airport" and other airliner-based suspense-thrillers ("Turbulence," "Executive Decision"). I would have though "Airplane!" had put the stake through that monster's heart years ago, but noooooooo...
 
Disney Direct-To-Video Animated Sequels (Ready for "Hunchback of Notre Dame II"? I'm not kidding.)

"Saturday Night Live" sketches turned into movies. A few worked. Most stunk the place up. I would've liked to see "Sprockets: The Movie," but I also fear what it might have become. "Fear" as in weeping, screaming, awake-all-night fear.


Title: Re: Milked Dry
Post by: Mofo Rising on July 05, 2001, 04:27:00 AM
Wait a minute Squishy.  Are you bad mouting such luminary classics as IT'S PAT!, A NIGHT AT THE ROXBURY and SUPERSTAR?  You are?  Well good for you!  I've yet to subject myself to these hour and half implements of torture.

I think LETHAL WEAPON was fairly done after the second.  I could stomach the third, but the fourth was just a dagger to the eyes and ears.  "We're not friends, we're family!"  Definitely an evolutionary branch that should die out.  (Some may say that it did have the benefit of introducing Jet Li to Western shores, but has he made a good movie over here yet?  Has he?)

Quentin Tarantino knock-offs are a good example of this.  RESERVOIR DOGS and PULP FICTION and the like were pretty good movies when they came out.  Very representative of the time, but I won't hold that against them.  Unfortunately they were done to death by the time the Hollywood machine was through with them.  How long did they last?  Three, four years?  How long did the film noir period last?  Guy Ritchie has struck up the same vein with a rowdier approach, to good results, but is in danger of repeating himself one time to many.

If only they could come up with quality franchises like POLICE ACADEMY.  Eight movies and a television series, and the well still hasn't run dry.


Title: Re: Movies (present or recent) that have been milked dry
Post by: Chadzilla on July 05, 2001, 11:09:03 AM
Here's a few-

Biggest offender - the Star Wars series, put those babies out of my misery, please.  Mr. Lucas you have NO story left to tell and it shows, painfully.

I haven't been able to muster any interest in watching the current James Bond movies either.

Puppet Master anyone?

The Halloween series without a doubt.  That dog don't hunt.

Others?


Title: Re: Movies (present or recent) that have been milked dry
Post by: Flangepart on July 05, 2001, 12:18:07 PM
Should we include knockoffs of other peoples creations? Or just the series themselves? Indiana Jones and Superman, for example? Why do series like the James Bond things,or, lets admit it,Godzilla, have staying power? I think its best summed up as, COMFORT FOOD FOR THE MIND!  Think about it. The brain likes junk food too, only in a form appropriate to its functionality. The tune remains the same,but the details change. and all that Jazz.  Its mental comfort food, man! what else explains the curse of the sequal? And ,no, greed just takes advantage of the desire for" brain twinkies".......Hummmm, Brain Twinkies! Are you listening, Ken Begg? Good enough for the list?


Title: Re: Movies (present or recent) that have been milked dry
Post by: Steve. on July 05, 2001, 03:01:11 PM
Thank the lucky stars that someone mentioned Mr. Ritchie. I urge all American citizens not to pay good (or bad) money to see the ever worsening Brit. "gangster" tidal wave. They're all crap! We can't make gangster movies for the simple reason that we don't have REAL gangsters, just run-of-the-mill psychopaths who kneecap people who owe them a few quid, and love their mothers.


Title: Re: Movies (present or recent) that have been milked dry
Post by: Abby on July 05, 2001, 08:05:45 PM
The whole "Movie Based on Ancient Yet Popular TV Shows," as launched by Addams Family/The Brady Bunch/Flinstones.

Particularly bad examples include:

Dennis The Menace
Richie Rich
Mr. Magoo
The Beverly Hillbillies
The Little Rascals
Car 54 Where Are You?
McHale's Navy


Title: Re: Movies (present or recent) that have been milked dry
Post by: Guitarwolf on July 05, 2001, 10:04:26 PM
Has Jet Li made a good movie since coming to America? Check out Kiss of the Dragon. If you don't like this movie, you must not like Jet Li. This movie is brutal. As for movies that have been milked, how about
The Crow series? The first one was good, but I gave up after the second one.
The Superman films. Sorry, but I don't want anymore sequels.
Austin Powers, Star Wars, Friday the 13th, Freddy, James Bond, the list can go on and on since Hollywood has given up on originality. I would have said Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but after reading that John Woo is going to direct and keep it like the original comics, plus making it strictly for adults, I'll give it a try. Variety had an article on this, but I don't have a subscription to their web site, so I was unable to get more info


Title: Re: Movies (present or recent) that have been milked dry
Post by: Guitarwolf on July 05, 2001, 10:04:31 PM
Has Jet Li made a good movie since coming to America? Check out Kiss of the Dragon. If you don't like this movie, you must not like Jet Li. This movie is brutal. As for movies that have been milked, how about
The Crow series? The first one was good, but I gave up after the second one.
The Superman films. Sorry, but I don't want anymore sequels.
Austin Powers, Star Wars, Friday the 13th, Freddy, James Bond, the list can go on and on since Hollywood has given up on originality. I would have said Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but after reading that John Woo is going to direct and keep it like the original comics, plus making it strictly for adults, I'll give it a try. Variety had an article on this, but I don't have a subscription to their web site, so I was unable to get more info


Title: Re: Movies (present or recent) that have been milked dry
Post by: N. E. Moses on July 05, 2001, 11:39:13 PM
I would like to give another example: The Batman series.

The first two movies were good (The first one damn good).  The third one, however, you could flip Two-Face's coin to see if it was good or bad.  But the last one would make a die hard fan turn his batarang in (Alfred's niece is Batgirl?  That must be some powerful chronic).  After that, you would think the cash cow was all dried up.  But with the making of Batman: Year One, well, we can only hope.


Title: Re: Movies (present or recent) that have been milked dry
Post by: Hairzilla on July 06, 2001, 12:47:44 AM
 As much as I hate to say this...I really do...[Because I'm a die hard fan!] the first thought that came to my mind in response to this topic was the "Star Wars" series. I have to agree with not only Chadzilla, [Hey, two 'zillas can't be wrong!] but also with other fans that think 'ol George should just outright stop making any more "SW" films before he does the legend any further damage....and don't even get me started on the "special editions".

While "The Phantom Menace" was a good movie, in a purely fun sense, Lucas all but disregarded some important character AND story continuity that was so carefully laid out within the first series. At the risk of letting my "SW" geekiness show, I offer what I thought was THE prime example:

In "Return of the Jedi" Ben tells Luke how amazed he was upon first meeting Anakin/Vader, and that he "took it upon himself" to train him as a Jedi Knight, thinking that he "could do just as well as Yoda". However, in 'Menace", we're presented with a young Ben who not only completely mistrusts the lil' round headed kid from the outset, but only agrees to train him to honor his teachers' dying request. What?        

Add to that glaring bit of inconsistancy a movie filled with, as a friend of mine once put it "accidental heroics", characters that don't really develop in any significant way throughout the film, a Force that suddenly has a "will" [whaaaaaat?], and....God, I don't think I can say it, but I must....Jar Jar Binks [excuse me while I wretch], and I think it's pretty clear that it's time to call it quits while the fond memories of the original trilogy are still intact.

....Man, I can remember when EVERY "SW" fan I knew was attempting to rationalize the identity of the "other" Jedi Yoda mentions in "The Empire Strikes Back", a bit of dialouge that really only amounted to one, brief moment and had nothing to do with the rest of the movie. THAT was the impact of the original series!.....Now we get Gungans....and Sith warriors that can't see an opportunity to vanquish their opponant when it's hanging right beneath them.....
 

                                                                                 Don't need nothin' but a good,
                                                                                 Tokyo stompin' time!


Title: Re: Movies (present or recent) that have been milked dry
Post by: Flangepart on July 06, 2001, 03:00:54 PM
Domo Arigato, Hailzilla-san. Must agree with much regret. God...how the mighty have sold out. The new bits in the Special Additions were nice, but not essencial. And Greedo shooting first? PLEASE! The midiclorians are "Force Bacteria?" what up wit dat? And JarJar....Go to Campchaos.com for a shooting game where JarJar blows up real good! To hell with the new stuff. Stick to the novels ( The stackpole and Anderson stuff is prime good), and on that note all i can say is, X-WING forever!


Title: Re: Movies (present or recent) that have been milked dry
Post by: Ringneck on July 06, 2001, 04:56:32 PM
One of the Aboslute worst series of movies was "The Dirty Dozen".  The first one was a great action flick, but come on, by the time the sequels( "The Next Mission" versions) came around Lee Marvin was past retirement age, not a commando!!!!  For crying out loud, him, Savalas, and the MP from the first one were all in WWII in real life.  I felt so sorry for Marvin after those, then I saw Delta Force and I felt rage...................  

ANother good one that was ruined was the First Blood movies.  First Blood was a great movie where they "showed" a micro Viet Nam war (ending with Rambo's own "tet" offensive in the streets of that town) and adressed the Vet's complaints about the war(not letting us win, as stated in Sly's dialog in the police station at the end) rather than those draft dodgers as in many of the movies out at the same time.  THe whole situation was resolved by the end, statment made, no more room for character development.   Then WHAM a bunch of crappy toy selling sequels that while exciting, really should have had featured Sly playing a new character("Captain Jerry Curl" maybey).

Anyone else agree with me?  

On the other side, I think Indiana Jones and Back to the Future have done a good job keeping the series flowwing and interesting.  I dint like Temple of Doom, but its not like it hurt to watch.  

I'm borderline on Planet of the Apes.  By the end the series needed to end, and I'm concearned the new one will really bite the big one, but fingers crossed..........

BradLaGrange


Title: Re: And speaking of Sly
Post by: Chadzilla on July 06, 2001, 05:22:56 PM
Rocky


Title: Gunnin' for Gungans!
Post by: Hairzilla on July 08, 2001, 11:33:32 PM
 Many thanks, Flangepart, for the link to "Gun Down the Gungan!" Although I'm sorry to report that, after a number of tries, my score is still firmly in the "Bantha Fodder" range, the importance of such a thing is insignificant next to the almost spiritual lift I get from 'sploding that annoying....creature even once! Since you also mentioned the novels, of which the original Timothy Zahn series that made up chapters seven, eight, and nine to [as commissioned by George Lucas] officially end the original story are my faves, I've got three words for ya: GRAND ADMIRAL THRAWN!


Title: Re: Movies (present or recent) that have been milked dry
Post by: N. E. Moses on July 09, 2001, 02:06:22 AM
My friend Abby, you forgot to mention the two god-awful movies (the second one is even worse) based on an equally talentless and tasteless TV series: Power Rangers, The Movie and Power Rangers Turbo.  There, I said them. Now someone please SHOOT ME!!!!!


Title: Re: Gunnin' for Gungans!
Post by: Flangepart on July 09, 2001, 05:12:46 PM
Hair, did you ever see another MOVIE series become so well compleated in ANOTHER MEDIUM? The books have done great stories! "I Jedi " was a fantastic book. The develoupment of Wedge Antillies and Rogue Squdron have just by them selves shown the potential of that  Galaxy far far away. So why did Papa George screw up the franchise bigtime? Me no git it! BTW....don't feel bad, i'm still bantha fodder too.


Title: Re: Movies (present or recent) that have been milked dry
Post by: Flangepart on July 09, 2001, 05:16:36 PM
Ah, man. When ever a good one does stuff beneath his proven abilites, there are only tow words for it. HOUSE PAYMENT. At least i hope thats all it is. Good grief, how many of them might have thought they were goint to be in a Good flick!.....


Title: Re: Power Rangers Movie and Turbo
Post by: Chadzilla on July 10, 2001, 01:10:50 AM
My son likes them and dammit so do I!  For a very different reason of course.


Title: Re: An obvious oversight
Post by: Chadzilla on July 10, 2001, 01:11:24 AM
Star Trek


Title: Re: Gunnin' for Gungans!
Post by: Hairzilla on July 10, 2001, 01:58:42 AM
 Brothers in bantha fodder Flange'! Rock on!

  As to why "King" George seems to be intentionally altering much of what he'd accomplished with the original trilogy? All funny remarks aside I honestly couldn't even begin to speculate. If it were me in his position, and I was trying to take the next, logical, cinematic step in the "SW Saga" you can bet that I'd be going over the original three films while standing on my hands just to make sure that I'd kept the continuity tight!

A theory that I do have, however, is that the "special editions" had absolutely nothing to do with wanting to re-release the films on the big screen as an "anniversary gift" for the hardcore fans. [Loyalty can be painful sometimes, eh? Greedo....now shoots first....agony....aaaaaaagony....] It was all about making the money needed to finance 'Menace.

  Have I ever seen a MOVIE series become so well completed in another medium? No....Wait. Actually, now that I'm thinking more about this I'd have to say yes. [Great, I stay up too late posting and start sounding like Ross Perot! This...is not good.] There have been several Godzilla novels written in the past few years that have been excellent, [As I abruptly launch into an "air guitar" solo!] and that really treat the entire idea of giant monsters in a way that is much more believable than even the best of the films.

I'd especially recommend "Godzilla 2000 - The Age of Monsters"! It begins just near the closing of 1999, and events of possibly apocolyptic proportions begin coming together that result in various monsters...Rodan, Mothra, Varan...appearing around the world....and in, uh, other places. [Yep, you read correctly. Varan, as in "The Unbelievable", who was actually one of the best things about this book!]. Oh yeah, and lest I forget, the swarm of giant praying manti' that devastate Kansas!  When Godzilla himself [Itself?] surfaces, he begins a mysterious trek that takes him across much of the United States and has the entire world watching until....well that'd be giving it away.      

And on that note, I've gotta get some sleep!


Title: Re: Gunnin' for Gungans!
Post by: Abby on July 10, 2001, 02:14:57 AM
To Moses: I have a soft spot for The Power Rangers, especially the first season. It was just so shockingly crappy at the time that it demanded attention. I only wish I had taped some of the even crappier Power Rangers knock-offs, the worst of which only aired a few episodes.

But I actually saw the first Power Rangers movie at midnight in a drive-in, so it worked under those conditions.

And will they quit making Prophecy sequels? Cripes, I was unfortunate enough to see the first one in a theater. I also might have to pull a Troll 2 move and urinate on a video shelf if they release another Hellraiser flick.


Title: Re: Gunnin' for Gungans!
Post by: Flangepart on July 10, 2001, 12:02:56 PM
Dude...you are a (Secular) GOD! I love Marc C's G series! I've read the books more then once, and realised if i ever got the chance to do MY  G or Kaiju films, He would be the writer! He keeps reminding you of the Human Cost of the existance of such creatures. And the world wide effect of their depridations. Thats what i want to see delt with. I would love to see the Military , just once, kick some Kaiju ass. All by they selves! Just once.......Is that...too much to ask?


Title: Re: Go Go get the Godzilla books (if you can find them that is)
Post by: Chadzilla on July 10, 2001, 12:31:35 PM
I didn't scroll down on Hairzilla's post (d'oh!) and thus missed the beautiful plug for Marc Cerasini's way excellent Godzilla YA books.  I was strolling through Barnes & Noble one fine day (wasn't the merry month o' May though) when, in the Science Fiction section I saw a title that made my eyes pop out GODZILLA 2000 (ironically the Japanese movie made a few years later had a similiar title, great minds think alike I guess).  Reading it was pure heaven.  I have just about every book in the series (and a few of Scott Ciercin's kiddie 'zilla books as well) and I was sorry that Random House scuttled them.  :-(

Titles I have
Godzilla Returns
Godzilla 2000
Godzilla at World's End (set in Antartica with references to Carpenter's Thing and At the Mountains of Madess - Cerasini knows his genre stuff)
Godzilla versus The Robot Monsters

The 'final' title in the series was Godzilla and The Lost Continent (evidently this newly found island was destined to become Monster Island), but I cannot find it anywhere.  Rumor has it that the novel was never even released.  Anybody out there know how to get in touch with Cerasini so I can get this book?

Scott Ciercin kiddie titles I have
Godzilla, King of the Monsters (nothing really new or interesting, but Godzilla does go native and dances to the drums for a minute.  Get down with your bad self Big G)
Godzilla Invades America (Godzilla and giant insects thrash Las Vegas, now THAT'S the way its done!)

still have to get
Journey to Monster Island
Godzilla versus The Space Monster (aka everybody beloved three head golden dragon)
to complete the kiddie 'zilla story arc

These books are a hoot to read and are far more respectful of Godzilla than the callous and cynical Deanzilla revision.  It is impossible for me to recommend them higher.


Title: Re: An obvious oversight
Post by: Hairzilla on July 10, 2001, 07:25:48 PM
 Good one Chadzilla! I can't believe that most of us actually overlooked the long running "Star Trek" movie series!  [This could mean something.]  Whether the fault lies with the overall inconsistancy of the different writers and directors of each film, or that there really is a "Star Trek Curse", I think most of us would agree that every odd numbered movie in the series...1, 3, etc... pretty much made any self respecting "Trekkie" want to zap himself unconcious with a Klingon pain stick! [And, with 'Trek Ten due out next year, and the idea of a possible "Voyager" feature film floating around, it aint over yet!]  

With so many to choose from it's hard to narrow down exactly which one I think is most deserving of the "Count Suckula" award, [And I just know I'm gonna think of something that totally changes my opinion hours after I post this. Even now the spectre of Christopher Lloyd as a Klingon is nagging at me...] but the top two would probably have to be either "Generations" or the one with that shiny, happy Vulcan! "Come, let me feel your pain!" Uuuuh... ok, dude. Just sit thru this flick and you'll be feeling it plenty! No wonder Spock never mentioned having a half-brother....


Title: Re: An obvious oversight
Post by: Flangepart on July 11, 2001, 10:57:20 AM
Oh, the pain, the pain. This...was a BAD Film...worse then that stuff you scrape off your teeth in the morning. Trek 5: Why God is p**sed. @ is good, 4 is good, 6 is okey.....thats it for me. Next Gen has its moments, but moments do not a compleat film make!  Must...find..better movie...can't hold on mush longer...must end Shatner parody. Worst thing you could hear about Star trek 5: Two words. DIRECTORS CUT!


Title: Re: Trek farts
Post by: Chadzilla on July 11, 2001, 03:14:47 PM
Generations seemed really lame to me, but I did not see it all.
I liked 5, it made me laugh with both its intentional and unintentional humor.
Anybody notice that Kirk's prophecy of his death (I'll die alone) came true in Generations?
The worst of the worst is Star Trek: The Motion Picture - so much movie, so little plot.  argh make it END!


Title: Re: Thanks a lot Abby!
Post by: Chadzilla on July 11, 2001, 03:20:37 PM
I also might have to pull a Troll 2 move and urinate on a video shelf if they release another Hellraiser flick.

That's an image I just can't seem to get out of my mind.


Title: Re: An obvious oversight
Post by: Hairzilla on July 11, 2001, 10:12:54 PM
It could be still worse Flange', "Star Trek 5: The Special Edition"....The thought alone is enough to keep me awake at night...


Title: Re: Trek farts
Post by: Hairzilla on July 11, 2001, 10:49:07 PM
 Actually, my fellow 'zillian, ["Maybe it's because Godzilla is inside all of us..."] it's interesting that you mention both 'Trek's one and five, because my thoughts are pretty much exactly the opposite of yours this time. Having just recently seen 'Trek one on TNN ["They've got pop"...whatever the heck that means!] I have to say that, despite it's dangerously high "suck" levels....JOHN TESH IN A MAJOR ROLE....I thought that the idea of our old "Voyager" space module reappearing as a self aware, and potentially dangerous, being was kinda cool. And this was before incredible films like Robocop or Terminator ever came out.....WHOA! Did I just get a flash of inspiration! I've gotta hit the "Comic book movies" thread again...