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Does anyone out there own any real dark disturbing films that you're afraid your friends might stop talking to you if you showed them to them.

This just popped in my mind because last weekend I showed a couple friends this Spanish film "In A Glass Cage," a film that touches on such lively topics and torture, death, pedophilia, and naziism. I know all the things that will so get you laid! :P

But they were both open-minded to it though, it probably also helps that the film isn't so graphic in it's presentation of the material, but it lets the stark images linger  a little more in the viewer's mind.

Requiem for a Dream - Direct by Darren Aronofsky (Pi) Really starkdepiction of drug addiction and what crap people will put themselves through for a fix. Features Jennifer Connelly in some sick sex scenes.  I don't know why but this thing really haunted me.

Trek_Geezer, I agree about Requiem.  Fantastic film, but one of the final scenes, with Connelly is quite disturbing.

.  .  .  .  Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer is the most disturbing film that I've seen, but I don't think anyone will think less of you for liking it, if they like horror films.



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Sid and Nancy is sort of the same way.

All of the cannibal flicks....

The thing I like about HENRY is that it's not even really that violent or gross [though that "home invasion" scene is pretty bad]...it's just creepy because you know there are guys like that out there.  It's one of my favorite horror films.

LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT still packs a wallop though it's pretty dated now.

FREAKS is still pretty effective too, as are the early John Waters films.

yeah I just showed Last House on the Left to some friends last weekend. we all had fun laughing at the 2-D, drive-in character villains. but when it came to the scenes of what they do to the poor girls in the woods: we were all pretty quiet.

I'd have to agree with you Trek, when I left the theatre after watching Requiem for the 1st time I felt like someone kicked me in the gut real hard, and that I also needed a cold shower!

very true eeeee5 & jmc. I think Henry reaches more disturbing levels simply for the fact that it's realistic in it's portrayel of those type of creeps, not exploitational in a natural born killers kind of way. although i did like NBK, it was obviously going more for a surreal, satire thing than Henry.

Island of Death, Last House on the Left, and I Spit On Your Grave are all pretty nasty.  Probably the worst stuff in my collection, until they finally release Cannibal Holocaust later this year on domestic DVD (I want to see it, but with a pending US release I'm not going to spend $35 on eBay for a bootleg).

Brother R

I Spit is definently not a fun one to watch with friends.  Have not done so and probably never will.

I read something about

men behind the sun

that one should be pretty disturbing

That one has a lot of real animal death in it....I've never seen it and don't really want to.  I can handle the cannibal stuff maybe because it's mostly wild animals being killed, but having a cat torn apart by rats is just too much for me.   I don't like the animal killing even in the cannibal flicks but for some reason I can deal with that.

JMC,

Actually if I'm not mistaken, the cat - rat scene is fake.  Not 100% sure on that, but I believe it was all staged.

"Funny Games" is the most disturbing movie I've seen in the last few years. It's a German flick about a couple of preppy guys who terrorize a family at a remote vacation cabin. It's a very well-done movie but it's frighteningly twisted and upsetting. I definitely recommend the movie but don't say I didn't warn you. Some say the movie is a satire but the horror of this one stuck with me for a long time.

I also echo the recommendations of "Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer." It's a classic in the genre and a must-see. And, yes, very disutrbing.

Another disturbing film I saw more recently is "Capturing the Friedmans," a documentary about a Long Island family ripped apart when the father and one of the sons are arrested for being pedophiles. This one is disturbing in a whole different way than a fictional horror movie.

Another movie I found tremendously disturbing when I was a teenager is "The Hills Have Eyes." I don't know if I'd still think that if I saw it today but I really have no desire to see it again. Same with "I Spit on Your Grave." The bathtub scene is probably the sickest scene I've ever seen in a movie.

Who knows, I may be falling for the movie's publicity, sort of the way people fell for the publicity about real corpses being used in BUIO OMEGA.  But I've always heard that just about all the stuff involving animals in MEN BEHIND THE SUN was real, similar to in the cannibal flicks.

Well, I thought "Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever" was pretty disturbing. They had the nerve to release that to the general public? I shudder when I think about it...

The two most disturbing films in my collection are I Spit on Your Grave and Fight For  Your Life.  I have also seen Make Them Die Slowly,  which has a scene where a woman is hung up by her breasts by meat hooks.  Last House's p**sing scene and the disembowling scene are pretty bad too.  I only showed I Spit to a friend so far, and he thought  I had issues.  LOL.  The only thing I won't watch is anything involving the death of animals, real or fake.  I may be disturbed, but I guess even people like me have standards.  Like I always say,  They Don't Make Em Like That Anymore.

I always bring up ERASER HEAD when this subject comes up. When I saw this film it was very disturbing.

I remember seeing parts of LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT on HBO in the 70's and would like to see it again some day. Never saw I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE, but have had it on my list for a long while now. ISLAND OF DEATH, CANIBAL HOLOCAUST, AND CANIBAL FEROX are also on my list.

I've heard that JOHNNY GOT HIS GUN is a tough film.

I once had a friend give me some pretty strange looks for renting Blodsucking Freaks and watching it with him. :)

bloodsucking freaks hahaahahahahhaha with those dart arrows
that one is pretty sick

check these out

- Mark of the devil 1+2
- Closet Land
- Flavia the heretic
- Bloodsucking freaks
- Female Market
- Cannibal Movies
- Men behind the sun

some i have seen others not but reviewers and friends say they should be
pretty disturbing

I have to agree that Last house on the left is one of the most disturbing films I've ever seen, but the truly most disturbing movies are the Faces of Death series. Only me and one other of my friends can sit through those movies and not get sick.
Also a recent movie that I saw, that I thought was pretty disturbing is May. This is an absolutely bizzare and f**ked up movie. Lots of sadism and other sick twisted s**t going on in that movie.

Hugo, I've heard a lot about Funny Games but never got around to renting it.

And I believe my video store down the street carries that Friedman's documentary, that does sound really messed up, I'll have to check it out.

THE VANISHING (1988) is pretty disturbing psychologically.  It's one that will have you thinking about the ending for a long time afterward.

FACES OF DEATH is actually pretty tame compared to some of the other "real death" documentaries out there.  FOD is mostly staged.  But it used to bug me too before I learned that most of it wasn't real, and until I started seeing the ones like DEATH SCENES.

When I think about BLOODSUCKING FREAKS I guess it's disturbing but it's just so cheaply made and I get the feeilng there's supposed to be some weird comic tone to it.  But the idea of it is disturbing, and it's got Ralphus the midget.

* NEKROMANTIC

* ERASERHEAD

* FUNNY GAMES

* AUDITION

I thought Bloodsucking Freaks was just kinda boring.  Anyone else here seen Island of Death?

Brother R

Another fellow film-nut mentioned Ereaserhead earlier and I would have to agree that that's definitely one of those films that can easily disturb people. It's wierd that it can have that effect on people because it's such a low-budget film, but i think the black & white cinematography and dark atmosphere to it that creates such a visceral experience.

I read in the psychotronic video guide that David Lynch made Eraserhead when he was living in a Philadelphia slum and stuck in a bad marriage, it really shows too!!

PS-Bruce McCullough (prior Kids in the Hall) has a solo cd with a song titled Eraserhead.

I think ERASERHEAD is the closest that anyone has ever come to filming the types of images that go through my mind when I'm having a nightmare.  Very creepy stuff.

The most disturbing movie I can think of is "The Untold Story" from Hong Kong. Supposedly a black comedy (???!!??) it's the only movie I've ever seen that actually turned my stomach. There are two scenes thatr are EXTREMELY hard to watch-very uncomfortable. If you've seen it, you probably know which two I'm referring to. If you haven't, just trust me on this one. Also, "Donnie Darko" unnerved me, but in a totally different way.

Yes, ERASERHEAD is totally disturbing. Thanks for reminding me about that one. I saw it a bunch of times in the 70s at the midnight movies at a local cinema and it probably warped me for life. How they got Eraserhead's baby to look so real is beyong me.

Yes! AUDITION is another highly disturbing movie! It's good, too. The Japanese put out some twisted s**t. I recommend it.

the Untold Story is one hell of a crazy film. it makes a  lot of american serial killer movies look like the care bears.

Haven seen Island Of Death yet, but would love to obtain a copy eventually.  Sounds like a seriously f**ked up flick.

Every time this subject comes up I mention Man Bites Dog.  That film creeped me out, more than just a little bit...

The Passion of the Christ got me, too, but from a completely different angle.

I Spit On Your Grave is not a movie to see with your girlfriend or wife (she might have ideas if she's the sneaky vindictive type).
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Bulls**t!  I still can't hear you, sound off like you had a pair

I think the most disturbing film I own is 8mm. It's brilliantly acted, but leaves you feeling very cold about the world.

Most disturbing (psychologically) films I have seen would be Tetsuo - The Iron Man, and Lost Highway. Lost highway had no plot, but was made in such a way you were compelled to watch it all the way through. The scene where one guy "hits" his head on the corner of a table is a real shocker.

Have you ever seen Tokyo Fist? It was directed by the same guy who did Tetsuo.

I can't say Tetsuo disturbs me as much as a lot of the other films mentioned, but I do respect it for being very brave, experimental, and creating it's own distinctive atmosphere.

i got a list of some s**t that will leave you twisted and asking yourself "why did i watch that" but it never fails, you'll be back for more.

BEGOTTEN
PIG
I STAND ALONE
IRREVERSIBLE
CLEAN SHAVEN
SALO
FUNNY GAMES
HAPPINESS
MEDEA
FANDO & LIS
DESECRATION
SPIDER
MEN BEHIND THE SUN
EVIL DEAD TRAP
IN A GLASS CAGE
NOWHERE
BRAZIL
THE SECRET ADVENTURES OF TOM THUMB
NIGHT & FOG
RAW MEAT
REQUIEM FOR A DREAM
MANIAC
ALICE
THE BROTHERS QUAY
CONSPIRATORS OF PLEASURE
FAUST
JUNK
SANTA SANGRE
STORY TELLING
28 DAYS LATER.....................

Faust and 28 Days Later?  Not really all that shocking, especially since 28 Days Later ripped off scenes wholesale from the original Dawn of the Dead, which was a lot more effective, I think.
Everyone keeps talking about Men Behind the Sun, and I get the feeling I really need to see this movie.  Is it widely available, or one of those super-hard to find things?

Brother R

I think it's easier to find than it once was....before DVD I think you had to settle for bootleg VHS.  Do a search and I'm sure something will come up.  

The only shocking thing about 28 DAYS LATER is that there are people out there who actually thought this dull piece of crap was a good movie.   I'd say it's probably one of the biggest letdowns I've had at the movies in the last few years.  The first half was good, but the rest of the movie turned into a boring talkathon.

Brother R,

Not all that hard to find suprisingly.  Check some mom & pop vid stores and you should find a copy.  A video store near me has a copy on VHS but I have yet to actually rent it.

not the faust your thinking of. the one i am speaking of is an obscure stop-motion film by an amazing russion filmaker named Jan Svankmajer also did Alice and a number of other surreal treats. Now......28 days later is far better than dawn of the dead. and ofcourse something would get ripped off from other zombie movies, the guy that wrote it is a big fan. 28 days is better in my opinion because it is very dark and the social commentary is much more involved. plus there was no cheesy humor. as far as ripping stuff off goes, can you sit there and claim romero didn't "rip" anything from italian zombie flicks other then argentos, cause we all know romero had argento on the set, so we'll let that slide. Now, men behind the sun is about japanese weapon experimentation......i don't know if that is the same film you keep running across, but if so, you should check it out . HOLLA

How could you go view 28 days later and miss the big picture?. wake up retard....you are the one strapped to the table during the first sequence. from the beginning of the movie, you are called a monkey.....an experiment......the film is not about a virus, it is about society and mankind, you and I, we...... aside from that, the cinematography was tremendously more stunning then any romero flick or scream movie. wake up and appreciate films for what they are before you so ignorantly dismiss them. what are you even doing on this message board if you can't appreciate a good film? hellllllooooooo in there. let me guess your favorite movie is Nightmare on Elm St.......or some other hollywood turn a dollar bulls**te. And I bet you went to see that Jason verse Freddy movie too. PATHETIC.

Whoa Ben, calm down.

Putting down someone just because they didn't like the same film you did is awfully childish.  

Chill man

I think we have this year's Johnny Blister or whatever his name was....

Sorry George, it just really irritates me when someone misses the big picture, yet sits back and criticizes. It is like writing a book review with only having read the Cliff's Notes. I know he is a good dude and all and I I realize he knows his horror pretty well, that;'s why I am giving this knucklehead a hard time. I love him dearly, as any true horror fan would.

The Faust thing definitely makes more sense now.  Unless you find silly comic book movies really disturbing, I guess.
As for 28 Days, I think Dawn's social commentary is quite a bit stronger.  Of course, I'm always in favor of putting down idiotic animal rights activists like 28 Days did.  Romero didn't rip much off from the Italians since Night of the Living Dead came before most of those were made, but yes, I know he had Argento on the set for Dawn, and Goblin did the original soundtrack.   I think there was actually a law passed that required any 70's horror film from Italy to have a soundtrack by Goblin.

Brother R

Ha ha good one about Goblin...........now, I keep hearing people speaking of 28 days and not seeming to get the point of the film. It wasn't about a virus, it wasn't about animal right activists, it wasn't about zombies. The social commentary of 28days is about us as a people. It is an artistic expression about society in the 21 century. the monkey is you and I. Does no one see any symbolism in the fact that at the beginning of the film the viewer is looking at screens filled with violence and when the camera finally pans back far enough we realize that we (the viewers) were looking at the tv screens from the monke's perspective. Does this in anyway relate to the media of our world today???? ofcourse it does. the film goes on to entertain thoughts and ideas of survival of an apocalypse, the fall of civilization as we know it, military and government roles etc, etc. Compared to Dawn which was primarily about consumerism and it's effects on society, I feel Dawn's commentary pales beside 28days.......what do you think????

Dawn's commentary seems too dated today, so yeah, 28 Days Later is a tad more relevant.  Don't get me wrong, I liked the premise and the first half of the movie was great, but it sank like a stone after they encountered the soldiers, and that's why I was so disappointed by it.  People complain about the movie ripping off Dawn of the Dead, but if that's all it did it would have been fine with me...my problem is that they picked Day of the Dead to emulate in the film's second half and it worked about as well as the original did, that is, not at all.  Too much talking, not enough Infected...and the scenes at the end just don't make up for it.

I think the Dawn remake blows 28 Days Later out of the water....it's the movie 28 Days Later attempted to be.  Commentary-wise, it's much better too....what can be more relavant today than the idea of a national disaster that takes out our society overnight, with the government being either unable or unwilling to do anything about it?  

In 1978 when shopping malls were still a relatively new phenomenon I guess making comparisons between shoppers and zombies seemed pretty fresh, but today there are bigger problems.

I think that if you look at just Dawn vs. 28 Days, 28 Days has a broader commentary, which in the end works well but is spread a little thinner.  Dawn only tackled the topic of consumerism, true, but as an overarching whole, Romero's Dead trilogy eventually covered most of the topics 28 Days did, (excepting the TV turning us into monkeys thing, because it hadn't really started to until Day of the Dead or a little after, and that film focused primarily on surviving an apocalypse and military roles in such an instance, so TV was of little concern) and since Romero had 3 films to cover his material in, his statements as a whole seem stronger because they didn't all have to be spread out over a single 120 minute run time.
So don't sweat it, brother.  You're not the only one who "got" 28 Days Later.  I just think that as far as social commentary goes, Romero did an overall better job than Danny Boyle did because he had the opportunity to tackle the material with 3 movies over the span of two decades so it seems more complete, if a bit dated.  Wherein lies 28 Days Later's biggest advantage; its commentary is up to date, making it seem more poignant, although Romero's must have seemed just as with the times when his films were originally released.
Both are excellent films, however, and I think in the end it just comes down to which one you liked better, which one entertained you better.  To put it in perspective, whose class are you going to like better and take more away from, a hip new professor fresh out of grad school with radical ideas who wants to change the world, or an older, wiser one who seems to pedantically repeat his point over and over again in hopes that someone will learn from the history he is trying to impart.  Myself, I would choose the older, wiser prof, and I imagine you would choose the younger, more radical one.
EDIT:  Last line removed, decided it sounded too gay :P



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I'll pick the older wise prof but only if he has an eyepatch.

I don't see how he could be without one!

Brother R

Perfect example Brother R!  Bravo!

I myself would choose the wiser professor as well.  Hell, how cool would it be to have Romero as a prof?

Speaking of having cool people as profs, the sister of one of my roommates had John Cleese and Kurt Vonnegut as writing profs, but I can't remember which college she was at.  Some big fancy one.

Brother R

Cleese as a teacher!?  Holy hell!  That would be awesome!

"Lancelot: We were in the nick of time. You were in great peril.
Sir Galahad: I don't think I was.
Lancelot: Yes, you were. You were in terrible peril.
Sir Galahad: Look, let me go back in there and face the peril.
Lancelot: No, it's too perilous.
Sir Galahad: Look, it's my duty as a knight to sample as much peril as I can.
Lancelot: No, we've got to find the Holy Grail. Come on.
Sir Galahad: Oh, let me have just a little bit of peril?
Lancelot: No. It's unhealthy.
Sir Galahad: I bet you're gay.
Lancelot: No, I'm not. "


Cleese is great.

three films.
"necromantik" first part or second, if u show this to your friends for sure they will thimk u are a complete pervert, then u can show them an spanish  short film that its call " aftermath" directed by nacho cerda, its just a dr f**king a corpse in the morgue., then, your friends wont dubt it, but if u really want to lose their friendship u can show them "guinea pig", they woudlt want to b friends of a complete freak :).
sorry for the english, i know its bad, and hello from spain.
xxx

i  think that its a really impressive film, im sure u can get it from  amazon, its a quite popular film, unless here in europe.

>

oh, i forgot some more.
cannibal holocaust, i have seen this one, its really disturbing,  and theres the legend of this film, in the esighties it was said that this film was for real, now i u watch it u will realize that its not true,canival ferox, this one its horrid.

Cannibal Holocaust is a little more disturbing....it makes you feel like life is worthless!  Cannibal Ferox is mainly about gruesome effects--it's gross, but you don't really get the scummy feeling after watching it.

i did :)

Cannibal Holocaust was jusr plain nasty. Left you feeling ashamed to be part of the human race. Shame The Blair Witch Project ripped off the idea of "People go off, dissapear, leaving behind only some film...here's what happened on that film.", and got "critical acclaim" for originality.

8mm, although more mainstream, had the same affect. Left me feeling that if folks into that stuff existed then I'd feel REALLY scummy for having to share a planet with them.

I'm late to this thread and don't have any new films to add, so I'm just going to attack ben rosson's list.

CLEAN SHAVEN - Now this was a pretty disturbing movie, and one of the better ones I've seen regarding schizophrenics, who are usually portrayed as suffering from something of a "glamorously crazy" madness.  No, regular schizophrenia is sad and dirty, and somebody suffering from it is usually none to pleasant to be around.  It probably went too far tying in the murders (made it seem a bit sensational), but of course a movie needs a plot.  Anyway, I forget the lead actor's name, but who knew he could do something like this?  I don't think you'll look at cleaning your fingernails the same way after seeing this.

FUNNY GAMES - This film usually comes up in "disturbing" lists, but I found it a muddled, preachy mess.  The director made a movie about people being tortured and then tried to make the audience complicit in the torture.  "Look at you people.  You like this, these people being tortured.  You make me sick."  The problem is that these are not people being tortured.  They're movie characters.  Movie characters in the movie the director made.  He tries to salvage the movie from this criticism near the end where the two torturers have a conversation that all characters may be real in some alternate universe.  Bulls**t.  To take this movie seriously you would have to agree with the statement that the only reason people watch "disturbing" movies is for the voyeuristic thrill of seeing people tortured.  I'm sure there are people like that, but this movie isn't going to touch them.  My guess would be that more people who watch movies like this empathize with the victims, rather than the victimizers.  Take another film in this list, REQUIEM FOR A DREAM.  We the audience empathize with the characters, which is what makes their eventual destruction horrifying and "disturbing".  Sorry, the director of FUNNY GAMES wants to make his dirty movie, indict the audience and feel above it all.  Well f**k you too.

DESECRATION - While this film did have several effective images, I found the rest of it hilariously bad.  Dante Tomaselli seems to have some talent, and maybe his other pictures might be good, but I don't share the man's hang-ups at all, and actually find them quite humorous.

NOWHERE - Presume you mean Gregg Araki's film.  Can't stand the man's body of work.  Found a niche in the pseudo-nihilism of early 90's cinema and figured nihilism was the point.  What can I say, I find nihilism lazy, not disturbing.

Sorry, if this post ended up being me criticizing other people's choices.  I mostly find specific moments in films more disturbing than the overall film.  Also I like the sound of my own voice, even if it's in print.

hey Mofo it's all good. Clean Chaven was one hell of a film. very short, but i liked it, especially some of the "nail" scenes, talk about gross!

and yeah ben rosson's list was pretty tame.

anyway, for me bloodsuking freaks it was really disturbing, firts time i saw it i was 12, by mistake i picked up this film, while i was watching it i was feeling really bad of watching that, i thought, "i shouldnt be watching that"  with that dentist suking some brain.

yeah i'd say that's a BAD film to watch at the age of 12!

I Stand Alone was disturbingly s**tty.

As far as comments, take Nathan Shumate's review at coldfusionvideo.com and up the hate by a factor of 15. It was a real piece of s**t of a film.



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what was is that you didn't like about it? care to atleast offer some insight?

Well its been years since I have seen it, but "Bad boy Bubby", its an Australian film about some guy thats lived his whole life locked in an appartment, raised by his mother, she tells him that he cant go outside because of poison gas or something like that, so whenever she leaves she wears a gas mask. Bubby is really messed in the head, he has the mind of a child. he has sex with his mum, and he has a mummified cat at one point, he eventually gets out and gets to explor the real world.

I cant say I found this disturbing, (except for the incest) but it is certainly an odd film

i read the book long time ago, yes, it was quite odd.

The movie set out to be 'shocking' and failed. Miserably. You can't be shocked by something that you can't give a frog's fat dick about, quite bluntly.

Hey man, how's it going. I noticed you claimed my list to be "tame". Could you drop me a list of trulty disturbing films, since all the ones i listed might as well be put out by Disney. I spend a good deal of time scoping out such films, so if you could help me out man, i would appreciate it. Take care and hook a brotha up.

i do agree that all the films u listed before are quite disturbing.

it's going alright, only 30 minutes of work left. here's some i would recommend:

 -In A Glass Cage (Spain)
 -I Stand Alone (one poster on here didn't like it, but i thought it was a cool film)
 -Salo: 120 Days of Sodom (talk about disgusting!)
 -Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer
 
That's about all I can think of for now, off the top of my head. good luck.

.  .  .  .  It's been a while since I could find any of their films (only found 3-4 "Rated" versions back when I used to rent from Blockbusters), but what of the films Asia Pulp Cinema/Media Blasters distributes?  The little I've seen (not counting Zero Woman, and I can't remeber the other titles) is very depressing, not really disturbing, but it may parlay to your discussion.
.  .  .  .  Film that "disturbed" me, but not others, Kolobos.  And for "TV disturbing" that "Bucquet Head" (?) short on "Exposure," got past censors.

I hear Scrapbook was pretty disturbing. It;'s about soem serial killer that forces his victims to keep a scrapbook. I haven't seen it for myself yet though.

I found Requiem for a Dream more depressing than distrubing.

This looks really creepy! (But crap)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AWiOy2D9RQ&feature=related

Anyone seen this? It's on DVD...

It ain't out just yet and it is bloody expensive.

http://www.severin-films.com/perl/search.pl?CO=SEV1149 (http://www.severin-films.com/perl/search.pl?CO=SEV1149)

I had Urotsukidoji (think it's spelt wrong..)

But I got rid of it.

 :thumbup: They have a shot for that now?

Ladies and Gentlemen, he's here all week :wink:

 GUMMO-reminds me of a lotta people I know in Lawton.I KNOW these people. This could be my world a few years back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IsyaSAeOaQ

Holy canolies! Did I really start this topic 13 years ago?

Good God was I stupid in my 20s.

Anywho I refuse to watch A Serbian Film. My brother has seen it.

Martyrs, the French version, was a little too messed up for me.

My brother was asking me about Salo, I told him to avoid it at all cost.

Chopper!!! Hey man! Welcome back!  :cheers:

I won't see SALO or A SERBIAN FILM. Ugh. I watch movies to have fun, not be revolted. I've seen parts of both, and-nope. Not for me.
Same with I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE (1978), which I have seen; I owned a clamshell. I gave it away. Or any of it's remakes, any SAW movie- just not fun.
I did watch the French version of MARTYRS- scared the s**t out of me. I loved it.

That was 19 years ago, my friend!  :cheers:

Everybody is stupid in their 20s.

Chopper, it is great to see you around! 

Although I may eventually look at SALO, because of the director, I've been afraid.  I have no interest in A SERBIAN FILM and I already loathe I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE (hateful).  GERMANIA ANNO ZERO is very disturbing, but not like the hateful ones cited.  I must recommend it, but not for the lily livered. 

Thanks for the welcome back bud! Yes! My math sucks haha!  :tongueout:

@Chainsaw Midget, so true.

When we were teenagers my friend Rob tried hard to get me to watch a badly dubbed VHS bootleg of a film called Shocking Asia, telling me how disturbing it was. I declined.

^I seen it. Not so disturbing. Except for the surgery footage. Ugh.