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The hell?  It's been out for two days and it doesn't have its own thread yet?  Geeks, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
A few thoughts:
Doc Ock is a far better villain than the Goblin.  Dafoe was brilliant as Norman, don't get me wrong, but I've just never liked the Goblin anyway, and spraypainting the old Jet Jaguar costume green doesn't add to his menace any.  Gone is Doc's green and yellow spandex, in is a long black trenchcoat.  Very cool.
We're set up for at least three  villains in part three, which will be the last of the series, at least for all the original crew.  I really don't want to get the Goblin back again, so here's hoping that was just a red herring.  Either that, or he could team up with someone so he doesn't take up all the screen time.  
Next, we have Dr. Connors, a.k.a. The Lizard for those unfamiliar.  Since the actor who played him looks like Robert Llewellyn anyway, he should have just been played by Robert, but that's neither here nor there.  
The third is JJJ's son, John, the man responsible for bringing the Venom symbiote to Earth.  Only problem is, to get Venom in the third movie, they'd have to bypass about 15-20 years worth of Black Spidey story arc in 45 minutes or so worth of movie.  I'm not going to get my hopes up for Carnage.  He's obviously the coolest of Spidey's foes (at least for those of us with tastes ranging to the more horriffic), but he would only end up being in the last 20 minutes of the movie.  Needless to say, I'm going to be very disappointed if there's no Venom.  If Sam moves on after the third film, I'm sure the studio is going to try keeping it going just because it makes so much money, but I don't want to see Venom and Carnage handled by some hack music video director in a later installment.  If there are indeed going to be more than three, and Venom and Carnage are in the stars for #4 or beyond, I suggest the most badass way of getting it done is to flip off the MPAA, kick the kiddies out of the theater, and hire David Cronenberg to direct.

Can you imagine what the FX would look like for Venom. :)

T'was a grand film. I really REALLY do not want to see Venom in the next movie. Its already set up for Harry to take his fathers place. Personally I hoep that in the next movie we get the Lizard and the green goblin back. both ideas could be made to coincide in the same movie easily.

...provided we dont get a batman returns, batman forever and batman and robin syndrome we we the audience are forced to watch 2 villains team up to take out the hero and fail miserably.

If I rememebr correctly the lizard when in lizard form was nothign but a hulk like brute that could control other lizards...well at least communitcate with them. be good to have Harry as the green goblin with a brute like that under his control.

No thread maybe because nobody wants to accidentally ready spoilers?
I'll probably read this thread more in depth this weekend. I took tomorrow off work (woohoo!) and hope to see spiderman early before all the teens wake up. I liked the first one in that, i guess it grew on me, although i think that too much cgi in any movie gets to me. I'm curious if this movie is just an extention of that movie or if it any way it might exceed my expectations. too bad dunst goes blonde, i ..as a redhead, thought it was kinda cool to see a redhead in a leading role in a movie like this for a change ;-)



Post Edited (07-01-04 20:23)

Her hair's still red as far as I could tell.  They changed it from the bright, cartooney red in the first one to a more realistic red, but it's still red.

yeah i saw the movie too her hairs still red. it was a pretty good movie but like the first one CGI was outta control(but to contradict myself most of the scenes need it).i did like this one better than the first one. just like the x-men movies the second one is better than the first. brother ragnarok is right about venom it be a b***h to have him in the next movie. also (here comes the comic nerd ) JJJ  son didnt bring  the symbiote back to earth. in the comics spiderman got in the secret wars issue 8
cause his red and blue one got torn up in a fight.(reason i know this cause i have that issue.) i hope i didnt p**s you off brother ragnarok i didnt aim to do that i had to satisfy the comic nerd in me:)

"I know I know ive been exposed permeant psychoses..
at least the colors are nice"- Aeon Flux

Are you sure about that, Rich?  The black suit was an alien being, brought back on JJJJr's shuttle.  It latched onto Spidey and it caused him to have blackouts where he committed crimes and stuff until he figured out that sound could hurt it and fought it off.  Then it latched onto Eddie Brock and made him obsessed with getting revenge on Spidey for defeating it.

yes you are correct but  that was in the cartoon. in the comics marvel secret wars series issue 8 he obtained it. i wish i knew a webstie were i link so i can show you  but i have the newest issue of WIZARD and i looked it the back where it has all of the comic prices and first appereances, deaths etc. under marvel secret wars at issue 8 it has 1&O (origin): of spider mans alien costume. also i have that issue and it is his symbiote. after the whole secret wars was done he brought back to earth were he eventually got rid of it and went to eddie brock. if anything ill look around the internet and find a link so i could show you.

"I know I know ive been exposed permeant psychoses..
at least the colors are nice"- Aeon Flux

actual i fount a link here it is
http://www.toymania.com/archives/secretwars/swc8.shtml



Post Edited (07-01-04 23:17)

Thanks for the info, Rich.  Every little piece of info that makes me look like less of a tool is a welcome addition.

no problem. i just didnt want to come off as a wiseass comic geek.

"I know I know ive been exposed permeant psychoses..
at least the colors are nice"- Aeon Flux

To late. :)

I really enjoyed the 1st Spider-Man movie.  But, I must say, Part II was much better.  The battles with Doc Ock were amazing and the Peter/Aunt May/Mary Jane/Harry character interactions were a lot more complex.  Even J.Jonah Jameson was more involved.  Plus, they continue to make us curious as to when Curt Connors will finally become The Lizard.

I enjoyed the sequel better too, suprisingly, as I thought it was a little hyped. The first spiderman movie didn't blow me away as it seemed to with others. I felt it was a light movie made for teens focusing on how cool it is to be a superhero and the characters were, not very complex. It was idealistic. this one shows more of the reality of what it is to be a hero. The villian is better too (because he is an extreme version perhaps of someone who is blinded by their own needs in life that everything else is just an obstacle in getting what they want) Though at the end you see the next sequel coming which i wonder - is toby signed for that? Here we get to see the complexity of parkers dillema in just wanting the normal things everybody else does but feeling the responsibility of his abilities. Not only do they help, but they hurt those around him and his feelings are bottled up and slowly eating away at him as he cannot share them with anybody. His character is more relatable here, his struggle is more clearly portrayed. there are those who have to accept sacrafices in order to be the kind of person that puts themselves out there to help others. Sometimes it's not so much they have to do it, but need to.

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I read someone's review where they didn't know why parker was losing his power, and that it was never explained. I thought it was pretty clear? He was doubting who he was, he was pulled between two lives that he could not be a complete person. That phrase "know thyself" came to mind, you cannot lead a full life if you do not know what you want from it. You cannot hold any power if you doubt yourself.



Post Edited (07-03-04 09:12)

I actually read some Hollywood rumors that Spider-man might tackle the Sand Man in his third movie. From reading the Marvel reprints of the Spider-man comics, I think he'd do all right for some action, although they might need more than just him to keep the story going. (In the Sandman's first appearance, I couldn't help thinking how very similar his physical behavior was to that of the second Terminator. I imagine the same computer graphics technology they used in that film could be modified to show a man "crumbling" instead of "melting" into and out of various shapes. Also, whereas the T-1000 used stabbing weapons, Sand Man tended to form himself more into blunt objects.)

I liked the trench-coated version of Doc Ock too, but I should point out that even in the comics he was never really into spandex (being rather chunky, after all) although he did wear a suit that  was something like a cross between surgical scrubs and a Star Trek uniform. Also, when not out beating on someone, he tended to wear an overcoat to hide his tentacles. As such, the movie's portrayal of him is not so much of a stretch from how he looked in the comics.

Good movie, but I thought Peter's dilemma took up too much of it. Those parts started to drag after a while. Alfred Molina gave an excellent and believable performance as Dr. Octopus, but I felt he was underused. I would have preferred Doc Ock to be the focus, and the dilemma to be secondary. I'm sure that was the intention, but it worked out to be the other way around.

I agree that there was a lot of CGI in this movie, but it looked less like a video game than it did in the first.

Overall Verdict for the sequel: I enjoyed it and thought Doc Ock was great.  Also the performances of all the characters was very well done.  The only thing that bugs me [hehe, get it? bugs?]  was the fact that he shows his identity alot.  In the first one as well.  It was just slightly unneccesary, though I'll except it.

I couldn't help thinking that Scorpion would be in the next one; Jonah gets p**sed off at Spiderman taking his sons girl [and therefore wasting his money] so he goes out for revenge by 'creating' Scorpion.  But then I realised that he doesn't know that Spiderman was Peter Parker, so that's kind of a stupid idea.


Possible Suggestions for Spiderman 3:

All possibilities for bad guy point towards the lizard, and that's ok I guess, though it is the easiest plot wise, but it's too predictable, and I don't like predictable.

As much as I love Venom and Carnage, I don't think they would work until later in the franchise:  mainly because at the moment there is some sort of plausabilty towards the creation of the nemesis [science accident etc]  having an alien lifeform is just too out there for me at the moment.  It's just not their time yet.

I think Mysterio would be fun as well, but also not any good for the move to the big screen at the moment.

The only one I can think of that would work other than the obvious Lizard/Green Goblin 2 is the Vulture.  But he's not much more than a glorified theif, so who knows what would be best?

But here's the big suggestion I'd like to make.  As some fans may have noticed, in the comic book Green Goblin is responsible for Pete's girlfriend, Gwen Stacey's, death by getting thrown off the bridge, only not getting saved.

What I would like to see that would throw the entire series into chaos, and is a bold move, but something refreshing, is that Mary Jane is killed later in the series, and is replaced by Gwen Stacey as 'the love of peter parker's life'.  A role reversal if you will.  Since Gwen was around before MJ was.

That would be something I would find incredible if it would happen, but would give the series a big shake up, and keep people on their toes.  That and Gwen Stacey's death was, I've heard, a very big event, and has quite an effect later in the series.  That is something that is lacking in the Spiderman Movies: the death of a main character.

It's controversial, I know, and probably unneccesary, but is something I'd like to see.

Any other ideas?

I HAVE TO make a point regarding the first Spider Man movie:

If you have the luxury of getting Willem Defoe for a villain, DON'T PUT A MASK ON HIM!   The man has amazing facial features- for cripes sake, put some makeup on him, but NOT A FREAKIN MASK!

The Spiderman villian that always haunted me was that rhynoceros guy. Of course, he couldn't be the main villain in a movie, he's just a hench (how does he go to the bathroom, man?), but he could maybe team up with the Kingpin, he could be played by the guy from the Daredevil movie.

My brother and I just got back from it. WOO WEE! What a blast! Doctor Octopus kicked ass! And the fights scenes were amazing. The characters had much more interaction between each other (a very VERY good plus). We could have seen a little more of Doctor Oct. but hey the movie is still really good and better than the first one. I wouldn't mind seeing Green Goblin II (rematch) but I really want to see the Lizard and I also really want to see the Scorpion (it could work), Sandman and Mysterio would be fun to. Carange and Venom are at the bottom of my list. It's not that I don't want to see them, I do, but they have a lot of story to cover and I think it needs to be done with care and over one or two movies. Spider-man 2  4/4. Oh and Bruce Campbell was great in this one.

I just saw it the other day, I liked it better than the first one.

>Though at the end you see the next sequel coming which i wonder - is toby
>signed for that?

He'd better be! I hate when they switch actors.

JohnL wrote:
> >Though at the end you see the next sequel coming which i
> wonder - is toby
> >signed for that?
>
> He'd better be! I hate when they switch actors.


He almost didn't sign for this one, rumors surfaced about other possible leads including Jake Gyllenhaal. I think because it was strenuous for him, he was having back problems or something. Or maybe he was holding out for a bigger paycheck..i think actors hate being in the sequel machine for fear it may kill their career by typecasting them unless alot of money is involved. the way this movie is making money there's no WAY hollywood is going to not make as many sequels as possible until they ruin the movie. When thinking back to geniune movie "sequels" (not trilogies and all that), it always seems like two is the magic number. Three always ended up being overkill.

But nobody cares about the integrity of a film anymore, it's always about the almighty dollar. Too bad, once a bad sequel is made it can sometimes spoil the bunch and leave you sour about the whole series.  They really should learn to end on a good note.



Post Edited (07-05-04 21:24)

just my simple two cents: i don't like comics made into movies. i just don't . they are never done well. the first couple supermans were good and so was the crow but i was disapointed by raimi in Spidey one. the second was much better. and bruce campbell's cameo was much better. and i did see stan lee for a moment. my sister, who hasn't seen any evil deads, etc. and doesn't know much about b.campbell didn't even recognize him from bubba ho-tep without his makeup.

too much love story in the spidey flicks.

Speaking of Stan Lee... I know the guy is responsible for creating some of the best comics ever, but does he HAVE to appear in EVERY marvel movie? It's getting a little tiresome, at least for me, anyway. I'm very aware of who he is, so he just sticks out like a sore tumb to me. His face almost always sucks me right back into reality and leaves me saying "Oh, right. There's Stan- again! And I'm watching a movie."

My only problem (almost) with comic book movies is that they usually follow the same formula so tightly. The main villain is the one who killed the hero's loved ones, indirectly leading to the hero getting powers, hero kills the main villain at the end. Whoa, it's like it's all come full circle, dude. Changes they make from the comics are usually in order to make it exactly the same as all other comic book movies.

mr. henry wrote:
> too much love story in the spidey flicks.

Agreed. In most of these movies, the villain is at least the main plot. The love story is extra. Spidey 2 was almost the other way around.

I've noticed that in the effort to turn superhero flicks into great filmmaking, the fact that they are comic book entertainment seems to be either forgotten or considered something the film must overcome.

Same problem with the Hulk - it could have benefitted from less human drama and more smashing.

If MJ wants to be with spiderman so much and doesnt want to loose him why dont you make it so MJ finds the same spider that Petter got bit bye and get it to bite MJ too. So she wont have to leave him, she will always be bye his side and you can make the bad guy really hard so MJ can help Petter/spiderman defete him/her.Then Petter can help MJ get use to her powers and how to use the web good. And she wont have to worrie bout him because she will always be beside him and then they could get married like they wanted. And Harry will probably pick on her to get to Petter then she could protect herself from Harry.
And if u made Harry the green goblen no one will come see it because it has already been taken and if you did make the green goblen what would be the point it will be the same as the first one with a twist .

PLEASE WRITE BACK TO TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK

THANK YOU
FROM Dave

That was very confusing, and kinda silly.  Sorry Dave!

I saw Spiderman 2 the other day and I have also read many of the comics.

Where in Spiderman 2 was this Dr. Connors?
I kept looking for him in the film and never saw him.
By the end of the movie I had forgotten about him.

Who played him in the film and what scenes was he in?

ASH:

Dr. Connors was Peter Parker's professor.  He was in a couple of scenes on campus and in the lecture hall.  I'm not sure who played him.

Ah I remember now.

He's played by Dylan Baker.
Here's a picture of him:
(http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/dreamworks_skg/head_of_state/dylan_baker/head.jpg)
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Post Edited (07-12-04 15:12)

The Lizard/Doc Connors:

Wow, looking at the picture, I see he has two arms: is that from Spiderman 2?

If it is, I could've sworn that he only had one arm earlier in the film when we first see him [sleeve of one jacket was rolled up]

Was I just imagining the loss of arm or did the continuity people just bugger up?

dean wrote:

>
> The Lizard/Doc Connors:
>
> Wow, looking at the picture, I see he has two arms: is that
> from Spiderman 2?


No, that still is from the film "Head of State".

Spiderman 2 was great, definitley better than Spiderman in my opinion. I think there are many directions that Spiderman 3 could go, good and bad. Obviously with the way the second movie ended, they are mostly likely going to set it up for the return of the Green Goblin. Not the Hob-Goblin, there's a big difference as most of you should know. I personally think since they already introduced Dr.Connors they should at least try to put the Lizard in the third movie, or at least maybe set that character up for a later movie. I agree with most of you it would be way too hard to add Carnage or Venom, because of all that happens before they are introduced. It would practically take the whole third movie just to get these characters into the storyline. Also i was thinking , JJ's son, the astronaut, also turns into the Wolf-Man if my comic history is right. Though i think it would be an insignificant character to introduce into the films, its still an option though. There are so many characters they could put in, which means so many ways they could turn this into the Batman sequels, which we all knew were horrible. Thats
all for now, give me some feedback ppl let me know what you think?

Spiderman Vs. Predator...how 'bout that?

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Villians I would love to see Spider-Man take on in future movies are Kraven The Hunter, The Lizard, The SandMan, Mysterio, Hobgoblin, and maybe even the Punisher since he got his start in Spider-Man. Another good story in the comics was when J. Jonah Jameson has a Doc Ock type of suit made and he takes on Spider-Man himself. And what the hell, how about if they'd bring back Paste Pot Pete. LOL