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Does anyone here watch HBO's "Carnivale"?
This news about the show was taken from scifi wire:

"The Jan. 9 season premiere of Carnivale drew only 1.8 million viewers, compared with 5.3 million for the September 2003 first-season premiere, Zap2it.com reported."

I'm a huge fan of "Carnivale" but I've got mixed feelings about this "bad" news. It makes me happy in a way... assuming that the ratings drop was brought about by viewer protest.

First, it took HBO forever to deliver a second season. The first season ended in November 2003. We're just now getting new episodes in January 2005? That extra long hiatus is completely uncalled for. I know a lot of people would be quick to say, "But you want the show to be good, right? Let the writers take their time." Only I'm not buying that defense- seeing as how the first season of "Carnivale" was only 12 episodes long to begin with... I've never heard of a TV show having such a short season before. Having to write another 12 episodes for season 2 shouldn't have taken so long. And HBO should've asked for 24 episodes (an actual FULL season's worth of episodes) to begin with.

And that leads into my second (and final) complaint- for a show with only 12 one-hour long episodes, how on earth do they justify selling the DVD box set for $89? Hell, in some places it costs a lot more. I saw it in Borders bookstore for $99.99!

I really hope that the drop in ratings sends the clear message to HBO that viewers can only take so much jerking around. Perhaps this second season of "Carnivale" will be it's last...
...my wallet (and patience) can only hope "the end" is truly near.

Go Brother Justin!

>I really hope that the drop in ratings sends the clear message to HBO that
>viewers can only take so much jerking around.

No, the execs will just think that people lost interest in the premise of the show. That's the only thing they can understand.

That's a shame. Carnivale was the only thing on TV worth watching after Farscape was canned. Here's hoping the ratings pick up enough to at least merit a proper ending. I had been waiting so long for the first season to come out on DVD I'd forgotten about it. Needless to say, I was surprised to see it in the store today.

I actually never really liked Carnivale.  I watched all of the first season, but only because my wife loved it.  I could never really get into the "feel" of the show.

But then again, I'm not very fond of most series on premium channels.  About the only ones I made a point to watch were Curb Your Enthusiasm and Dead Like Me which has now been canned.

"...and Dead Like Me which has now been canned."

Say again? Dead Like Me was canceled? I love that show and I've been keeping my subscription to Showtime in anticipation of the new season. Tell me I read this wrong or you made a mistake. Why the Hell didn't they say something about this on their website last month when I checked...oh, I'm so p**sed.

Odinn7,

Nope, afraid not.  Seems that the ratings for season 2 were less than satisfactory.  The last that I heard, they were not doing a 3rd season......... :(

Here's the original article from Cnn.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/12/21/television.showtime.reut/

Those sons o' b***hes...Guess I'll be dropping Showtime and getting one of the other packages.

Taking this thread WAY far away from it's original point... hey, Max, it's always nice to meet another Farscape fan :)

...only 4 more days until the Farscape miniseries comes out on DVD!

I'm with you Nobody.  Never can find enough Farscape fans.

My wife has yet to see an episode.......

I could never get into Carnivale either.  I guess I'm more used to the more traditional story-oriented shows like Oz or the Sopranos where they always had something going that kept you tuning in week after week.  Carnivale had a lot of style but I just couldn't get into the story.  I quit watching after a few weeks.  

Showtime is probably the worst of all the premium channels.  For some reason we get it for free, and it is literally the same seven or eight movies played repeatedly for weeks.  And most of the time they aren't even good movies--a lot of them are direct to video.  Occasionally they'll play something cool like THE BEAST WITHIN or BLUE SUNSHINE....that's the only thing that keeps me tuning in.  

But we don't pay for our cable so I can't complain too much.

They need to show more Henry Skutter flash backs

This show looks llike somthing out of Ray Bradberry's Head

>Dead Like Me which has now been canned.

What is it with Showtime cancelling shows??? They made fans wait a year to see the rest of the episodes of Jeremiah and Odyssey 5, then they cancelled both. Now they're cancelling Dead Like Me?

Even worse, the page at TV Tome, Dead Like Me (http://www.tvtome.com/DeadLikeMe/) claims the cancellation has less to do with ratings than it does with the president of Showtime's opinion of the show! It says that other sources are looking at continuing the show, including the WB, however unless they also produced an uncensored version for DVD, I don't think the show would have the same spirit on a commercial-based network. Part of the show's humor, at least for me, is George's foul mouth.

This really sucks!

"Part of the show's humor, at least for me, is George's foul mouth."
I hear you on that one. I don't think the show would be nearly the same if they had to clean the language up. I was so anoyed by this cancelling that I changed my Directv subscription to drop Showtime and I took Cinemax instead. Showtime doesn't have much to offer so good riddance to 'em.

>I was so anoyed by this cancelling that I changed my Directv subscription to
>drop Showtime and I took Cinemax instead.

Make sure you write them and tell why you dropped Showtime.

JohnL, I thought about that but decided I would be better off letting Showtime know instead so I did that. The automated response I got was a real nice, personal touch though...

Sorry about hijacking this thread, nobody.

It is good to see others p**sed off about the cancellation of Dead Like Me.  I didn't know that we had so many fans on the board.

I have missed much of season 2 being as I don't have Showtime at the moment.  I will be picking up the DVD though.

Hey USA is doing the same thing with The Dead Zone. It's supposed to come back this summer for 22 episodes, but it will  start a year after the last new episode.

By the way Farscape fans, you know you will now get Ben Browder and Claudia Black on Stargate SG-1.  Claudia is in one episode this season and will be featured in a five episode arc next season.  Ben joins the cast as a team member next season.

Carnivale I think is the best show on tv right now...I dont care how long I had to wait, it just makes it that much better.  As for the delay, every episode is like a mini movie so it takes time...This season has been even better than last.

You know I love Carnivale but you know what I think the problem is?  As disgusting as it is and sounds (incest-yuck), the only people on the show that actually have chemistry together are Brother Justin and Iris. That's a problem I guess.

I kind of hope that maybe they aren't really related somehow because while the tension simmers when they're togther (like when he's watching her sleep), it's still yuck incest.

Oh well. LOL

Trust me, 1.8 million viewers in Ausralia is A LOT. If it wwas here, the ABC would probably order episodes.

Carnivale sucks. It is so damn boring and has pretty poor acting in it. That kid who plays "ben" is so over dramatic with his acting. He always plays a sissy boy in almost everything he is in because he lacks diversity as an actor. I couldn't ever stand him in anything he was in. I think the show should be cancelled. I don't know if it will be unfortunetly. Because someone had said that HBO doesn't go by ratings...and that if they were set to do 3 seasons they will do it regardless of how well it does. That is a load of crap. Why would HBO NOT go by ratings? Isn't the whole purpose of a show to attract an audience? Something carnivale lacks.  The show had 1.8 million viewers on the first episode of the second season, and every episode since then has been even lower. Those aren't just bad ratings they are humliatingly bad ratings. The show is also very unknown. And almost all HBO shows are SO popular. "Sopranos" "Sex and the city" are HUGE shows that everyone knows even if they haven't seen it. Nobody I know has even heard of carnivale. And on top of that they re air carnivale literally every day, sometimes twice a day every week and they STILL have horrible ratings. I think HBO is incredibly dumb and not concious of knowing how to run a business. Carnivale is a disaster and they still are putting millions towards this crap show. Instead we could be seeing great new shows.

Yes but its 1.8 million viewers in america. The TOWN that I live in has 500,000 people in it. Double that and its about the same amount of people who are watching Carnivale in the entire United States Of America. That is really really bad. I have never liked the show, i find it rather boring. I think HBO tried to make a new 'unique' show that would catch on and be a big hit ...and failed. It is so un interesting to me I could never get into it. Apparently neither can the rest of america judging by the ratings. I think the second episode of the 2nd season was even lower ratings with 1.5 million views, and the 3rd was something of 1.3 million views. So you see, its obvious people lost interest in this show...or maybe never had it.

hbo is a smaller network than nbc, abc, fox and cbs,  where they lack in quantity they make it up in quality in programming. not just shows like the sopranos, sexand the city, oz, the wire, six feetunder, deadwood and so on.  hbo has had only 12 episodes per season always. every series has had only 12.  also about taking too long. dont tell you're not gonna watch the sopranos when it comes back  in 2006.  yeah it ended in 2004 but loyalty to a shoe depends on the quality of writing. this is where hbo has not failed me yet.  hbo has the best written shows on television.

On cable, a show can have much smaller numbers than a network program and it's considered to be very good.  The show may not be pulling in the numbers that the Sopranos and Sex and the City pull, but it may still be doing well enough to be considered a success in the cable universe.  They may be willing to give the show more of a chance since it seems to have a cult following.  HBO has killed shows that didn't catch fire with the audience...remember Mind of the Married Man, or K Street?  

Like I said above, I could never get into Carnivale, but it might be one of those things that will work better on DVD.  I'm finding that to be the case more and more.

One thing is for sure, when I want good comedy and drama, I go to the cable channels first and the networks last.

Carnivale is a great show you should try watching the first season and then start to follow the show in season 2 I suggest getting HBO in Demand and you can get season one without paying for the DVD's

Nah, I'm not interested enough to shell any money additional money out to see it, especially since I couldn't get into the show when it was first broadcast....I'll just Netflix it one of these days.

Season 2 has been amazing!  There's just so much going on in every episode that I'm just glad there isn't anything else on television to watch that would get in my way of rewatching each episode at least twice (heck some episodes I've rewatched four, five times) just to make sure that I didn't MISS any of the pieces to the "puzzle".

As for the price of the DVD's for the first season.  That's HBO for you.  So it's only 12 episodes.  Each episode is almost an entire hour, which is longer than most of the episodes of SITC (which I don't believe had a "normal" full season order until year three).  Also, there are a ton of extras (which HBO is pretty good about including in the box sets) which I was happy to see included in the set.  

I was begining to wonder about the ratings myself when I saw HBO re-airing episodes in blocks of three on Friday nights.  At first I thought it was because there is just SO MUCH going on in every episode, but after this weeks episode concluded and they previewed another re-airing of the last three episodes....I had to start looking at what might be going on.  If the numbers are down, it's not because of the writing, or the delivery of the such strong characters...

Since you're watching the second season right now, tell me, without spoilers- are questions getting answered, or are the writers just piling on more and more confusion?

I bought the first season box set. I just finished re-watching those last weekend. My brother is taping all of season 2 for me. I plan on diving into those tapes when the entire season has aired.

I never ever got what the deal is with this show. I tried to watch it and fell asleep every time, hehe, literally.. The show really isn't appealing to most  of america obviously judging by the terrible ratings that are even bad for hbo. Plus the acting in that show is so...blah. Nobody stands out at all to me as a star, or seems to have a good amount of talent.  I personally want to see this show end soon. I am a HUGE fan of Sopranos, and as soon as carnivale is off the air...the sooner we have a chance at seeing good shows. But carnivale has been taking up so much time on hbo and hbo2. I guess they are really trying to pull in ratings and it isn't working.  From the start I knew this show wasn't a hit. The plot too dragged out, confusing and dull, the acting mediocre at best (that ben kid is annoying and very over dramatic I agree with that statement made earlier for sure...definetly the worst actor on that show to me)I never saw it as being a hit and I guess I was right.  Hopefully HBO will have sense to do something about this show, and but "do something" I mean cancel it.

Doubtful. the ratings aren't just bad for tv, they are bad for HBO. They pulled in the worst ratings in hbo history this season. I don't think its the networks fault for the terrible ratings, its the show. The Sopranos, Sex and the city are legendary shows almost, and Oz has been on for quite some time as well. Tons of HBO shows to well...the reason this one tanked is obviously because the show is not interesting to people.

It does seem like they're giving the show numerous chances, chances that they haven't given a lot of their other programs.   Maybe the show does well critically and they want to give it a while longer.   I don't think HBO is necessarily ratings-driven anyway...I really don't see how they can be, since they have no advertisers.
A cult following might be enough to keep it going.  I don't know how it does critically.

Oz aired its final episode a couple of years ago, but they still air the reruns.

Well actually, critically I believe it has been poor reviews as well. The critics call it slow paced and dragged out.  The only thing critics seem to compliment the show on is art direction and their costumes. Even if the reviews were good, critics really don't matter that much. The whole point of any show is to gather a fan base, the more people watch the longer its on, the longer its on the more money hbo makes. Critcs can love the show but it people don't, they got nothing. But especially the second season, critics that I have seen have not liked the show that much. The most common statement is the slow pace of the show, and the hard plot to follow.

This show is like having sex with someone and NEVER EVER ,....... CUMING ........... ever .................. ever ......... actually sex hasnt even happened yet, its like BEGGING for sex that never ......... ever ........... ever ............ happens.......

HOW MANY TIMES DO WE NEED A NEW "WEIRD VISION" from someone ........ THAT BASICALLY MEANS NOTHING ???? OR DOES IT ........... IS THERE A POINT  ???????????? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH .....

WHAT PREMISE ????? YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THERE IS ONE ?????

Y'know, I think I may just not even bother ever Netflixing this.  It sounds like it hasn't gotten any better from the first few episodes I saw.

TOO FUNNY "AW"!! LOL!!!!!

This show is so bad. Dull, poor acting, hard to follow. The show is trying too hard to be original and it comes off as confusing and stupid. I hope it gets cancelled this show is a disgrace. I can't even side track myself of this boring show by watching hot actors they are all so freaking ugly. Such a shame. Not even a superficial reason to watch this show. Two thumbs down.

Carnivale is lip smacking delicious! I have never been so emotionally invested since I heard the Moody Blues and Led Zeppelin on the radio. There have been fantastic saga's before such as Gone with the Wind, Dallas and Lord of the Rings but Carnivale' takes the prize for its mysterious, multi-layered, suspenseful race for power and world salvation. This series has everyone feeling mentally challenged, as one can't resist entertaining themselves with dissecting and analyzing the symbolisms and characterizations of each scene. This is what I call Adult Entertainment.  

Anyone who has honestly watched the series with sincere attention and not be captivated by the plots; well.....they must be living in a plastic bubble and only eat fast food.

I honestly really enjoy this show .  I think most of the bad comments posted on this site are a result of  not taking the series at face value.  I find this show much like Twin Peaks was in the 80s -- it is a show based more on characters than plots.  I think the writers keep open ends by running the characters around in multiple different directions and letting the plot take a back seat to character development.  I think it takes a fan of David Lynch style movies which are all  simialar  to this type of show  -- wierd, unexplained, no real point at all -- I like shows like that -- and I dont believe I am the only one.

VeraAgnes,

I can't help but think that most modern audiences have trouble appreciating quality fiction of any sort. It's like, unless everything is completely spelled out for you and explained, it must suck. Never mind that the origins of things such as 'good' fantasy or SciFi came from things that made you THINK and not elaborate special effects or a really scarry looking bad guy...

I can't imagine any of the great classic works being hits today. Heart of Darkness would have flopped as a book and the idea to adapt it to something like Apocalypse Now  would never even be considered...

Funny how most of the people who seem to not care for it, have an almost putrid hatred for it. Instead of just saying they don't like it and not watching, they are begging for it to be canceled. If you don't understand it, mock it and kill it. That is the way of the thinking man, isn't it?

Thanks for playing...next.

I don't think peoples dislike of "Carnivale" has to do with not understanding it....it just doesn't appeal to most people. I actually did watch the first 3 episodes of the first season and just could not get into it. It was very boring, long and dragged out. I might as well of read war and peace.  People want the show cancelled for the sheer fact that they are constantly playing repeats of this show, wasting good time slots for good shows/movies to be on. I am excited to see if hbo has a new show coming on and they are less likely tomake a new series if "Carnivale" is still on the air. I don't know of anybody who even watches it at all. For ever 10 people that hate it, their is one die hard fan out there...and that shouldn't be enough to keep this show on the air. Their is just nothing moving about this show. Its uninteresting to keep anyones attention span. I am a teacher of school children so as you might as well of guessed, I do have an attenion span...but when that show comes on I feel like one of my 4th graders day dreaming out the window waiting for it to be over. Thats my opinion.

i am contributing for this show to get off the air....i turn the chanel whenever its on so the ratings will go down and it will be over. i may not make a big difference in ratings but  i am doing my part to get this horrible show outta here.....if all the carnivale haters just turn the channel when its on (not that it had good ratings anyway) than this show will be history. if you find carnivale on in your living room one night  and youre not watching it or even paying attention to it, just turn it off....keeping the channel on and not watching it, is still making the ratings higher.....so yall, if we really want this show to be put to an end start a revolution....TURN OFF THE CHANNEL WHEN CARNIVALE IT ON!

I was a Peaks fan back when it was going on, and don't see much similarity between it and Carnivale.  With Peaks although there were a lot of odd twists and turns everything still was working toward the main story, the mystery of Laura Palmer.  There was never much question what the show was about, until the last few episodes, which of course was the point where people stopped watching it.

Carnivale just seemed like weirdness for weirdness' sake--it probably would have worked if it were only a two-hour movie, but not a good idea for series television.

I have to admit the 1st season of Carnivale was slow and even this season was slow to start but now it's AMAZING!! The plot has started to really draw people in.
My brothers made fun of Carnivale during the 1st season and swore they wouldn't watch it anymore, however I made them watch it with me and now they love it. They look forward to Sunday nights BECAUSE of Carnivale. I think you nay-sayers are just to simple minded to grasp the vision of the story, it has depth and a very involved story!!!

So to those of you who say Carnivale "sucks"  maybe you might want to turn the channel and watch some reruns of Friends, that might be simple enough to hold your attention and keep you "tuned in"!!!!!

Man, Carnival has a great story, after the directors established the characters and the plot they REALLY did a top notch job on moving everything to this point. It's the best t.v. series on the air right now. I am glad I gave the show a chance because I am not the least bit disappointed!!!!!!

I LOVE CARNIVALE!!!!!!!!!

You are in for a hell of a ride!!

nobody wrote:

> Since you're watching the second season right now, tell me,
> without spoilers- are questions getting answered, or are the
> writers just piling on more and more confusion?
>
> I bought the first season box set. I just finished re-watching
> those last weekend. My brother is taping all of season 2 for
> me. I plan on diving into those tapes when the entire season
> has aired.

I am not in any way "simple minded" this show is blatenly bad. Hence the fact nobody is watching it. Hbo tried too hard to come up with something original and it backfired. It was boring, too slow paced and not interesting enough to capture an audience attention. Nobody wants to sit down and have to watch 5 episodes just to FINALLY START getting what the hell is going on.  It isn't a good show to me whatsoever.

I  never liked this show always found it bad. they try and up the ratings by having some nudity in it, but it didnt do the show justice. The people who were getting nude were ugly and fat. Their are these strippers on the show called the 'cootch dancers' and they are all ugly, and all fat. one of them is really fat, one of them is chubby with small boobs(I think her name is libby). they even have ugly nakesd people on the show with bad bodies. so i turned it off for good. hehe.

Yeah draggon355...that chubby girl with small boobs is named libby, her real name is carla gallo. She is such a sell out. I used to watch a show called "Undeclared" and she was in it a few years back.. she did an audio interview about the show. The reporter asked her if she ever appeared nude in the show and she said "No I was only in a bra I wasn't nude, because my family is watching and I don't really believe in getting nude on camera." I guess when unemployment hit and her show got cancelled her so called morals changed. Now she is playing a stripper and is nude in ever single episode. She doesn't even have the body to be nude all the time like you put it. She has a blubbery belly, she is a bit over weight and could stand to shake a few pounds and tone up. Not to mention she doesn't have big breasts either at all. I was just so p**sed at how she totally went back on her word and morals. She didn't believe in nudity and then literally 2 years later she is nude all the time. What a piece of trash...a bad actress to boot.

I really enjoy this show. It was slightly slow on the plot movement in the first season. The second season has really delivered a deep story line with characters that actually have backgrounds, to me this is one of the only good shows out there at the moment. I can't seem to understand all the posts against this show on this forum though. Guess any plot to a show or movie past "Ernest Goes To Camp" eludes most of you. Maybe if HBO aired the movie "Roadhouse" or (insert any Steven Segal Movie Here) you guys would be satisfied. To address the issue of the women doing the nudity being overweight, that was the attractive body style for that era. It is only in our aneroxic society that was have started to worship women that have the body of a prepubesent 13 year old boy. Its odd to me that reality shows and things like nascar do so well. I mean 3 hours of guys driving around a track in a circle grabs peoples attention but a well written/directed show can't? At my workplace everyone that I have shown the dvds to has started watching the show but hey we all have opinions. (And yours is likely wrong)

Actually I find NASCAR about as dull as I did "Carnivale."   Maybe some people don't have better things to do and can spend the six or seven hours it took for Carnival to get its story started, but I don't.  There are much better shows out there, like Deadwood for example that have more respect for the audience's time.  I guess  the show's fans think it's profound, I just think Carnivale was poor storytelling.  

The defensive reaction just goes to show that people know how poor the show is, they just refuse to admit it.

I just started watching Carnivale this season and I am a HUGE FAN! I find it similar to Stephen King's The Stand.  It is the classic Good -v- Evil! If the charactors aren't all pumped and alived, consider the role the are playing.  It is the deprssion, in the dust bowl, I don't exactly see Cadillac's , Corona's and some nice Greenday playing in the back ground.  Of course they are not going to be all bright eyed-and-bushy-tailed!  I will even go so far as to say I have a little crush on Nick Stahl. Iris is fantastic! and poor Sofie how finds herself pulled to the dark side.  What a GREAT SHOW!  I for one, even if I am the Only One applaude Carnival.  I am grieved to see it go.

I just started watching Carnivale this season and I am a HUGE FAN! I find it similar to Stephen King's The Stand.  It is the classic Good -v- Evil! If the charactors aren't all pumped and alived, consider the role the are playing.  It is the deprssion, in the dust bowl, I don't exactly see Cadillac's , Corona's and some nice Greenday playing in the back ground.  Of course they are not going to be all bright eyed-and-bushy-tailed!  I will even go so far as to say I have a little crush on Nick Stahl. Iris is fantastic! and poor Sofie who finds herself pulled to the dark side.  What a GREAT SHOW!  I for one, even if I am the Only One applaude Carnival.  I am grieved to see it go.

I just started watching Carnivale this season and I am a HUGE FAN! I find it similar to Stephen King's The Stand.  It is the classic Good -v- Evil! If the charactors aren't all pumped and alived, consider the role the are playing.  It is the deprssion, in the dust bowl, I don't exactly see Cadillac's , Corona's and some nice Greenday playing in the back ground.  Of course they are not going to be all bright eyed-and-bushy-tailed!  I will even go so far as to say I have a little crush on Nick Stahl. Iris is fantastic! and poor Sofie who finds herself pulled to the dark side.  What a GREAT SHOW!  I for one, even if I am the Only One applaude Carnival.  I am grieved to see it go.

Why is it most of the non-registered AOLers posting in this thread and agreeing with each other seem like the same not-so-intelligent person? Anyone else who bothered to read through this getting that same feeling?

And yes, I use AOL, I am fully aware. I am also not much for paying for a dialup internet connection.

/tangent

What do you mean "the same not so intelligent person"? First of all I am a very intelligent person don't insult what you don't know. Second of all, their are TONS of unregistered aol users all over this site on every board. It was personally easier for me to not worry about registering and simply reply faster. I am not going to sit here and sign up to use a site when I can use it without the hassel. No one is dumb enough to be the 'same person' under different names. That makes so sense at all. I hate canivale and I have no problem telling you that point blank period. I may be more passionate about my hate for this show that others but hey thats just me. Trust me, it ain't just this board that hates carnivale. Want proof that tons of people hate this show. Look at the ratings babe. I think its just and excuse to avoid the fact that carnivale has no audience. But ratings don't lie. It's quite obvious that people dislike the show, so I'm not the only one.

....................yeah, it's pretty much the same 5th grade educated person. LOL!  The same style of writing, the same writing errors and, well, the same simple mindedness in trying to be different "people". -(plus, for those who have an "ISP-Checker" checker program, it's the same I.P. address over and over and over.)
         This person obviously has a lot of time on his/her hands and cannot think of anything better to do, but hey, whatever floats this person's boat, i guess. -(I hear "The Dukes of Hazzard" is now out on DVD; maybe that would do the trick?)

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My husband and I love the show Carnivale.  We want a third Season.  This show is different from other shows and we look forward to seeing more.  Thank you to all the writers you are doing a great job.  All the actors are on the show are real good actors , you couldn't ask for any better than them.  Love the show.  Thank you HBO.  Gail

How dumb are you? People are simple minded because they don't like Carnivale? Stop making excuses for the fact that nobody watches this garbage show. If thats the case than all of america is simple minded. I am one of the unregistered people on this board and I still don't understand what you mean by  me and the others being the same person simply because we are unregisterd. I think thats another excuse for the fact that nobody watches the show. I put my name on this board I have nothing to hide I use the same name every time.  For the record I bet I have a better education than you without question. Thats what I hate about Carnivale fans, they think that because they watch this boring show that it makes them intelligent. That is the funniest damn thing I have ever heard. You're intelligent for watching a fictional show on hbo. Ok LOL. Doesn't matter what this board says. Look at the RATINGS of the show. It is obvious their are millions of people NOT watching the show. This message board aside, the ratings are horrific. But I guess it's just the same person not watching it as well huh? LOL. Excuses excuses.

hey all. i have only seen this show a few times but from what i saw i didn't liike. i am a deadwood fan however. anybody else out there a deadwood fan!?!?! i like that show a lot. from what i heard carnivale is getting the axe.  my friend was obsessed with the show and wrote letters to hbo and they actually replied. they never said it was offically going of the air for sure but they sounded like it,. they said something like they appreciated the letter but letters aren't going to change the outcome of the show because its up to the ceo of hbo...and the ceo of hbo goes by ratings not fan letters. a letter can't change anything because they arent going to pay millions to make a show based on some fan letters. they only pay millions if the feed back is grand. i am not a fan of this show but i am scared because i like deadwood and i am afraid that it will go off the air too. lets hope not *fingers crossed*

ps~ if youre a deadwood fan and you wanna chat feel free to email me!!!

.........LOL! Thank for proving my point, err, "Shane". (Love that I.P. address of yours; it's all over this forum! lol! ..........my work is done here. )


                                                              Sampson-(REALLY!)

                  Carnivale Renewed for a THIRD SEASON!!!!!!  Three cheers to HBO for continuing to offer profitable "niche" shows like "Carnivale" and "The Wire"-(which has also been renewed . . . for a 4th season!), to discriminating audiences who are tired of "L&O" and  "CSI" clones as well as the slew of mostly s**t Reality TV.

                                                             WELL DONE "HBO"!!!

                                                                                       -MANAGEMENT

No thats not true carnivale has not been renewed yet. Although I have absolutely no idea if it will be or not, HBO would be So f*cking stupid to keep a show with horrible ratings on the air. They spend SO much money on their shows and  probably make nothing back. They are the dumbest a*sholes in the world if they renew a show that nobody even watches. The ratings are humiliating and a disgrace to hbo.

I just want to say how much I LOVE "Carnivale"!  I've been searching for any information on a season 3- but haven't found any so far... haven't really tried too hard either but, if anyone knows tell me.  please.  love it.
-heather

              Ahhh, the sweet smell of Carnivale...................SEASON 3, 2006!


                                                                            HBO RULES THE UNIVERSE!

                                                                                                -Management

A spokes person for HBO said that Carnivale will go on the self.  
Coco

is the  show off the air for good? if so what will replace it,,       jim schwicke

My question is not about Season 2, but Season 3.  I have been reading recently that Carnivale will not be coming back.  Is this true?  You had us to the point where we realize that Sophie is Brother Justin's daughter due to a rape of her mother.  So, when Ben kills Brother Justin, what I noticed was Sophie was bringing him back to life using the life of the corn fields.  No one seems to mention the meaning of the last episode.  Am I mistaken?

Please tell me there will be another season to explain all the loose ends of the story, also the life of Bro. Justin is given back to him.  Surely, there is much more writing to do...it could be almost endless.  

Wanted to let you know that I love Carnivale and Deadwood, The Wire, etc.  But please don't leave us in the lurch of things....like the show "American Gothic", excellent, but ended way too soon.  

Sincerely,

Karen

Anyone know when the new season of carnivale will be on or when season two dvd's will be for sale?

             Good things come to those who wait . . . 2006.

I don't know when it is exactly coming out for sale, but I have gotten the store I got the first season from to read their inventory list all the way to the end of May.  By the end of May it will still not be available, at least not in Gaffney, SC.  I'm thinking it should probably be out in June of July though.  Or maybe if there is a third season, which I actually hope for, it will come out a couple weeks before the premiere or something  like that.

Carnivale is OFFICALLY cancelled!! I won't get my hopes up just yet, but on the hbo.com message boards they all said it's offically cancelled and that hbo is going to offically make the announcement within the next 2 week! THEIR IS A GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VV

BOB wrote:

> VV

What insight! What a way with words! Hey, thanks for playing and you can collect your parting gift on the way out.

LOL sorry about that. I didn't know I posted anything until I saw my name on here! LOL. Well I do watch Carnivale from time to time it's an okay show. Not my fav not the worst. However I was reading on the hbo.com message boards and EVERYONE on there is goin bananas because apparently it is officially cancelled. Hbo is supposed to be making its "official" announcement of it's cancellation within the next 2 weeks or so. I am a little upset by that but at least we still got deadwood and the hopes that an even better show will come along.