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Title: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Wence on June 16, 2005, 04:14:44 AM The news about Tom Cruise tell that he has got more radical concerning his "religion". He gives no interview without giving a statement how the scientological believes helped him. How can an intelligent actor be such a fanatic. Most of all: Scientology is a group of oppressing money-makers.
L.Ron Hubbard wrote: "Make money, make more money!" !!! For several other reasons they´re dangerous. Is it because of "Hollywood decadency"? There are several other stars that are involved in groups one should regard with suspicion. Isn´t Bruce Willis member of the Krishnas? Can you tell me which star is also member of such groups? Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Mr_Vindictive on June 16, 2005, 07:25:36 AM I try not to talk about religion too much on this board, but when it comes to Scientology, I can't hold myself back. All religions have absurd things about them, but Scientology is the worst.
I think the reason why movie stars practice scientology is because it takes less effort. In the religion, everything that happens to you is caused by BT (Body Thetans). Supposedly, these thetans are basically the souls of thousands of dead space aliens which attack our bodies and cause sickness and other bad things to happen in our life. If I'm not mistaken, the story goes like this: Millions of years ago there was a planet called Xenu. The planet was overpopulated so the government called in the people for tax inspections. Instead, they were injected with a substance that paralyzed them. They were sent to our planet and were all slaughtered. Their thetans (souls) were gathered and were put in theaters to watch a movie of what life on this planet should be like. Now, these thetans are inside all of us and control everything we do. I myself don't believe in Scientology, especially not after reading and studying the religion to a degree. Then again, I don't really believe in any major religion. But, as I said, I think it's just easier for these busy actors to believe that it's not their fault when something bad happens or when they do something wrong, it's the fault of the BTs. I don't honestly know how someone in their right mind would actually believe this stuff though. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: trekgeezer on June 16, 2005, 07:25:57 AM John Travolta is also a Scientologist. Hubbard came with his scheme back in his college days.
I read an article that Cruise is trying to convert Katie Holmes and has hired someone to watch her and make sure she toes the line. Sounds like Tom found someone who would do what Nicole wouldn't, let him dominate her. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Wence on June 16, 2005, 08:26:11 AM Maybe the Scientology-leaders force Cruise to agitate more intensive for the group.
I´ve red that they have an own secret service - the "Office of Special Affairs". This "office" tries to prevent members from dissolving the membership as well as it tries to eliminate inner critics. Then they have an organisation that has the goal of attacking "anti-scientologist" groups: "IAS-International Association of Scientologists". The whole structure of this so-called church is aimed at gaining power and mind-control over people. I can´t believe that this crap is accepted in Hollywood. The same with the Krishna-Followers, they´re on the same level. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Wence on June 16, 2005, 08:40:11 AM Scientology even creates it´s own vocabulary
One example of the scientological phraseology (found on a Scientology-Site): as-is: to view anything exactly as it is, without any distortions or lies, at which moment it vanishes and ceases to exist. See also as-isness. as-isness: the condition of immediate creation without persistence, and is the condition of existence which exists at the moment of creation and the moment of destruction, and is different from other considerations in that it does not contain survival. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: BeyondTheGrave on June 16, 2005, 08:51:50 AM Wence wrote:
> Scientology even creates it´s own vocabulary > One example of the scientological phraseology (found on a > Scientology-Site): > > as-is: to view anything exactly as it is, without any > distortions or lies, at which moment it vanishes and ceases to > exist. See also as-isness. > > as-isness: the condition of immediate creation without > persistence, and is the condition of existence which exists at > the moment of creation and the moment of destruction, and is > different from other considerations in that it does not contain > survival. This reminds when your trying to write a paper for college and need to make it longer and you just put B.S. that means the same just looks better but has no substance. _____________________________ "We Greeks created democracy! You also created homos!"-Ghost World Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: onionhead on June 16, 2005, 10:23:13 AM I have difficulty with fanatically following an individual who has lied about his service record, his boyscout years(!), and who claims we are all souls of Thetans-past. Be that as it may, I care nothing for Tom Cruise either as an actor or an individual.
Yeah, Travolta is a Scientologist, so is Jenna Elfman. Personally, I am a Trafalmadoran--we believe we are all capable of becoming unstuck in time. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: raj on June 16, 2005, 12:38:59 PM Wence, the contradiction is right there in your sentence:
"How can an intelligent actor be such a fanatic" Tom Cruise does not strike me as particularly intelligent. Frankly, whenever I see him in a movie, it is just Tom Cruise, so I don't think he's a particularly good actor (say, along the lines of Dustin Hoffman). Famous does not equal good (see, e.g. Paris Hilton) does not equal intelligent. And there are intelligent people who are unwise and willing to fall for charlatans. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Wence on June 16, 2005, 01:38:54 PM If wasn´t a scientology-freak I would like him.
Don´t forget... ...Top Gun ...A Few Good Men ...The Firm ...Eyes Wide Shut ...Rain Main Movies even I as a b-fan very enjoyed. Tom Cruise is one of "great ones" there in hollywood. That´s why I get angry about all this scientology-crap. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: raj on June 16, 2005, 01:54:57 PM Wence wrote:
> If wasn´t a scientology-freak I would like him. > Don´t forget... > ...Top Gun an alright flick > ...A Few Good Men ok film > ...The Firm didn't see > ...Eyes Wide Shut didn't see > ...Rain Main ok film, though kind of idiotic to complain about a guy who's taken care of Raymond for twenty years, when you've only spent 24 hours with him. His best film? Risky Business > Movies even I as a b-fan very enjoyed. > Tom Cruise is one of "great ones" there in hollywood. > That´s why I get angry about all this scientology-crap. I just can't seem to see his roles without there being Tom Cruise in them. To each his own, I guess. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Master Blaster on June 16, 2005, 02:30:10 PM Madonna - Caballa
Prince - Jahova's witness Mel Gibson - Whacko I cant think of any others. I never really pay much attention to what celebrities advocate. If they suddenly get religeous that's great for them I suppose, but it doesnt mean their no longer the overpaid overglamourized eccentric freaks they always were. If I like their acting I'll still watch them. Tom Cruise never appealed to me, but he pulled off Minority Report and Last Samurai pretty well so I have hope for WOTW. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Wence on June 16, 2005, 02:35:59 PM "Caballa"?
"Whacko"? What kind of groups are they? >> overpaid overglamourized eccentric freaks as I said: Hollywood decadency... Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: DaveMunger on June 16, 2005, 03:45:14 PM I can't believe no one's linked to Free Katie (http://www.freekatie.net) yet!
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Master Blaster on June 16, 2005, 04:36:51 PM I may have misspelled it, like I mispell alot of things : ) Caballa as I understand it is a sort of Jewish cult that includes a bunch of new age mysticism.
Whacko, is just your general completely nuts kinda guy who says crazy stuff like "My wife is going to hell". Your general sort of nuttery. Actually he joined some radical Catholic sect that thinks the Vatican isn't traditional enough. I dont know what it's called though. I thought it was Opus Dei, but apparently he's a part of something else. I never cared enough to find out. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Wence on June 16, 2005, 05:01:43 PM Ok, then we have this gallery of Hollywood-eccentricity:
(1) Tom Cruise - Scientology (2) John Travolta - Scientology (3) Mel Gibson - Anti-NWO-freak/radical Catholic (4) Prince - Jehova´s Witnesses (5) Madonna - "new age/mysticist cult" (6) Jenna Elfman - Scientology ?Bruce Willis? Anyone heard about him? I remember smething that had to do with the "Hare-Krishna"-Sect (These guys in orange clothing, with bald heads, playing tamburine-music and singing "Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare... crap" Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Wence on June 16, 2005, 05:12:14 PM Listen the "Krishna"-song, visit:
http://www.iskcon.de just wait, it is played automatically. The Krishna-Members have to sing and prey this song over 300 times a day!!! - BRAINWASH! Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Master Blaster on June 16, 2005, 05:21:31 PM Ahh, I did misspell it, it's Kabbalah and aparently pretty big with celebrities.
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Susan on June 16, 2005, 05:25:20 PM celebrities are all into what's trendy, that goes for religion and how they workout/diet. Then the little people read the magazines and see madonna wearing a red bracelet and think that's a great way to be "different" and get attention. well whatever
i practice the belief of cinema - can that be a religion? i worship at the altar of cineplex. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Master Blaster on June 16, 2005, 05:27:39 PM I practice voodoo, but I still havent been able to raise a zombie army! What a ripoff!!!
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Susan on June 16, 2005, 05:39:31 PM master -
HOW TO MAKE A ZOMBIE (don't forget the puffer fish) Zombie Recipe To make a zombie requires: one freshly, almost dead, person (see below) some human bone and flesh several varieties of exotic plants a few reptiles one type of worm a centipede a special type of spider a puffer fish While the first two ingredients could easily be considered the most shocking, the last ingredient, the puffer fish, is one that is most likely to catch the attention of neuroscientists and toxicologists. This is because puffer fish species are known to contain a very powerful toxin called tetrodotoxin. Tetrodotoxin (TTX) is a potent sodium channel blocker that blocks synaptic transmission by halting the propagation of action potentials. At very small dosages it can be lethal. The amazing thing about this toxin, also known as fugu poison, is that millions of people intentionally consume it. You might could find some of the Haitian powder on Ebay or something. I odn't think it's a crime to make a zombie here, but in Haiti it is - so you're in luck! Haitian Penal Code: Article 249. It shall also be qualified as attempted murder the employment which may be made against any person of substances which, without causing actual death, produce a lethargic coma more or less prolonged. If, after the person had been buried, the act shall be considered murder no matter what result follows. Post Edited (06-16-05 17:40) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: odinn7 on June 17, 2005, 08:54:25 AM OH MY GOD!
I am sooooooo glad you posted that Haitian Penal Code, Susan...I was just now on my way out the door to head to Haiti to build me a zombie! Boy, would my face have been red... Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Master Blaster on June 17, 2005, 10:31:51 AM I'm just trying to figure out how to sneak into the local ER with a bag of blowfish, worms, spiders, centipedes, lizards, plants, and human flesh in order to find an almost dead person to make into a zombie. And since I want an army this is going to take awhile.
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: ulthar on June 17, 2005, 10:32:28 AM Wence wrote:
> "Caballa"? > "Whacko"? > > What kind of groups are they? > In this case, "Whacko" seems to refer to Catholic. I'm not Catholic, but I do find that a little harsh. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Master Blaster on June 17, 2005, 10:35:35 AM My pun is intended as Mel Gibson is a whacko. I have no beef with Catholics.
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Yaddo 42 on June 17, 2005, 02:27:02 PM Gibson practices a brand of Catholicism sometimes called "traditionalist" that dislikes or doesn't accept the changes made after Vatican II. There are several offshoot sects of these beliefs, and of varying degrees. Some even claim that the mainstream Catholic Church in Rome is not the "true church" and that they are the real Church now. I'm not sure which splinter group Gibson is supposed to belong to. In interviews he tends to down play this and say that he just prefers the Latin Rite Mass which was mostly done away with after Vatican II, saying Mass in the local language or languages being accepted after that. His father has been more vocal in his traditionalist beliefs, having said in interviews that no Pope from John XXIII on was legitimate and claiming that Vatican II was a conspiracy of Mason and Jews. Between stuff like this and his staements questioning the truth of the Holocaust, Mel's Dad is off in paranoid crazy conspiracy land.
Opus Dei is an entirely different kind of group within the mainstream Catholic Church, although many consider it a cult or a conspiracy group, and have become fodder for conspiracy types and thriller writers. I know much less about them so I'm not qualified to explain much about their organization without going off into rumor and speculation. Getting back to Cruise, I heard this morning about his proposal to Holmes. Jeez is he that desperate to prove something, to generate media attention for their films (He proposes just as her film is opening and just before his does and announces it to the world the same day?), or is he truly going insane. If he keeps this up and it's not just cynical attempts to get attention he may be in Klaus Kinski/Crispin Glover/Gary Busey crazy person territory in a few years. Then he'll really be fun to watch. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Wence on June 17, 2005, 02:28:28 PM ulthar,
first I thought "Whacko?" Hm... sounds like... Waco??? I remember that there was a terrible gun battle in the 80´s (86?) between the Davidans and the FBI in the city of Waco. In Waco, the Davidian sect had it´s headquarters. The FBI stormed the Headquarters of the Davidians. The building burned out. So firtst I wondered if they still exist and if Mel Gibson is one of them. That would be really freaked-out... Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: odinn7 on June 17, 2005, 03:04:02 PM Wence, it was '93.
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Susan on June 18, 2005, 09:41:06 AM (http://mclaughlincameron.com/freekatie%20t.jpg)
FREE KATIE HOLMES (http://freekatie.net/) oh and if anyone didn't see cruise acting like a psycotic on Oprah here are some shots Oprah (http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/gossip/tom-cruise/intensity-photoblogging-tom-cruise-on-oprah-104673.php) He's reminds me of a mix between richard simmons and the character he played on Magnolia Post Edited (06-18-05 09:53) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Zapranoth on June 18, 2005, 09:58:57 AM "Whacko: variant spelling of wacko: n, insane. Origin: 1970's, from 'wacky'"
(according to my dictonary widget) Maybe Tom was chanting "it puts the lotion on its skin! Or else it gets the hose again, yes it does Oprah my precioussssssss!" Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Susan on June 18, 2005, 10:12:19 AM lol zap - maybe someone should edit that video and graphically put tom and katies heads on the actors
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Vermin Boy on June 18, 2005, 05:15:43 PM Feh-- Everyone knows the Church of the Subgenius (http://www.subgenius.com) is where it's really at!
Title: Access Hollywood "interview" Post by: h.p. Love on June 20, 2005, 05:47:43 PM I was scanning channels at the right time and caught this over the weekend. Tommy called the entire psychiatry community frauds and "there is no science to back it up." Also, all drugs prescribed by them are evil and useless. Stop them at once immediately.
Huh. What? Yep. "There is no science to back it up." (tap tap on Tom's shoulder) Uh, Tom. Some guy that looked like George Kennedy came up with a whacky story about 55 years ago and you swear by it? I've got a copy of Dianetics (available in most bookstores' sci-fi section) with a great pic of Hubbard wearing his skipper hat and staring profoundly up at the sky. Anyone associated with psychiatry is a mutant Psychlo!!!! It's all right there in Battlefield Earth. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Zapranoth on June 20, 2005, 11:05:21 PM Wow. That scientology stuff is definitely funnier than bad movies, at times.
I've been enjoying reading their official FAQ. So here's (http://www.scientology.org/en_US/religion/catechism/pg022.html) a widgie called an E-Meter and what it does; And here's (http://www.scientology.org/en_US/religion/catechism/pg048.html) the part where scientology equates psychiatry with Hitler's work... Pretty freakin' cool. I mean, not just anyone can make up this kind of s**t. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Yaddo 42 on June 21, 2005, 12:57:22 PM Off-topic, but, ah, the Church of the Subgenius. "Night Flight" used to play wierd video montages of their stuff all the time, that's where I first heard of them. I remember years later a local junk store/comic shop/cult video rental place called BRAVO (was supposed to stand for Books, Records, Art, Video, and Oddities) used to include the image of "Bob", complete with pipe, in the ads the owner ran. No one I knew had ever heard of it before.
I've heard that ole L Ron's hatred of psychiatry and psychoactive drugs came from bad experiences with therapy/analysis when he was young. Combine that hatred with being a pulpy scifi writer of limited talent (or less depending on who you ask), how could he not start a religion? I read a Kim Newman short story once where an aging Philip Marlowe was trying to recover a runaway teen who had gotten swept up in a Manson Family-like vampire cult and the leader's mad oracle/head toady was supposed to be Hubbard himself. The closest I ever came to the Scientologists was when I was living in VA, I met a guy in a gamer/scifi bookstore who was passing out fliers for the local branch. He said they weren't trying to recruit him they were just offering him quick cash to hand their stuff out on the street. But he also said they were watching him to make sure he really did the work in order to earn the money. If on the level it was odd. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: trekgeezer on June 21, 2005, 01:07:58 PM I am now and shall always be a........Shatnerologist (http://www.shatnerology.com/). If you were all smart you too would bow before The Great Almighty Toupeed and Bloated One named Bill.
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Yaddo 42 on June 21, 2005, 01:34:36 PM Sorry I've seen too many reruns of "TJ Hooker" where you get to see him run and try to relate to small kids to keep them out of lives of crime. I could never bow down to the man responsible for that stuff.
Although Ben Folds has worked with him so he gets a few cool points in my book from that alone. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Master Blaster on June 21, 2005, 01:53:42 PM I am converted. May Shatner shine warmly upon you brother. Amen.
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Susan on June 22, 2005, 05:50:44 PM can anyone see this? my computer won't let me, i can only hear it
Tom cruise kills oprah (http://tcruiseko.ytmnd.com/) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Derf on June 22, 2005, 06:29:36 PM So how come no one's mentioned The Foamy Card Cult (http://www.illwillpress.com/)? Surely celebreties must fear the squirrelly wrath of Master Foamy!
Title: I'm starting to think Tom is on drugs Post by: trekgeezer on June 24, 2005, 02:50:41 PM Read this and you might too....Tom Cruise on Today (http://www.gawker.com/news/culture/today-show/today-on-today-tom-cruise-takes-on-matt-lauers-thetans-109869.php)
Title: Re: I'm starting to think Tom is on drugs Post by: h.p. Love on June 24, 2005, 03:31:24 PM But he's a scientologist, right? Isn't that also supposed to mean that he's never taken any drugs? Or is that just prescriptions regarding mental conditions? He made a point in the Access Hollywood piece that (paraphrased from memory): "If I had been put on Ritalin as a kid, I would not be where I am today."
What does that mean Tom? That you wouldn't be a scientologist? Or are you truly able to view how various choices in the past would play out in other realities? He's definitely nuts. Title: Re: I'm starting to think Tom is on drugs Post by: Master Blaster on June 24, 2005, 03:34:20 PM What really sucks about this is there's a movement of credible scientists who make arguments against the use of prozac and ritalin who are'nt scientologists. Having Tom Cruize all over TV acting like a complete freak is only going to discredit their arguments. He's not helping them at all. An actor talking about mental health is like a baker talking about architecture. Of course with celebrities it never stops them.
Post Edited (06-24-05 15:40) Title: Re: I'm starting to think Tom is on drugs Post by: h.p. Love on June 24, 2005, 03:46:02 PM Yeah, I agree that prescribing to children is scary and statements should be left to educated experts and scientists.
I'd like to see a real interview with Extremely Outspoken Tom during this interesting manic phase of his. Q: So Tom, as a scientologis, what do you recommend as an alternative for these children? Is there a facility they can go to for help? Tom: *jumping on couch* Drugs BAAAAD. Katie GOOOOOOOD. Title: Re: I'm starting to think Tom is on drugs Post by: Master Blaster on June 24, 2005, 04:11:55 PM Or perhaps, Rittalin Bad! Young Asian men Goood!
Oh yeah, I went there....... I'm a dumbass Title: Re: I'm starting to think Tom is on drugs Post by: h.p. Love on June 24, 2005, 04:17:36 PM Here's a great interview: Hypnotize Tom and make communication with the alien inside him.
Who was that actress that recreated the Tom Cruise oprah appearance when she was on Leno? And no, I DO NOT watch Leno. Post Edited (06-24-05 17:28) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Scottie on June 24, 2005, 07:46:46 PM We live in the cult of celebrities.
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Susan on June 24, 2005, 08:30:19 PM Yeah after the interview with matt Lauer i'd heard enough. He kept saying "I know these things" and called matt a glib! Now i'd like to see tom's psychiatry degree, or maybe he left it on the mothership. I heard someone note how he doesn't have much to say, his vocabulary is very basic and when asked a question he always breaks out into maniacle laughter.
Didn't katie holmes also "vanish" for like 15 days when they first met and when she returned she had stopped seeing two of her friends, began researching scientology and then fired her agent and is now using his? oh and i heard a rumor "War of the Worlds" will put you to sleep. There are pods underneath all the chairs. Tom cruise is an alien, prepare to be assimiliated...RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Ash on June 24, 2005, 09:05:42 PM The other night I also caught a clip of Tom being interviewed and the thought that he seriously may be on something occurred to me too.
Maybe he's got a serious addiction to some drug. I mean, look at his behavior. Either he's on something or he's becoming an eccentric weirdo. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Zapranoth on June 24, 2005, 09:28:48 PM THANK you, Susan. I had been wondering what the hell the Emperor had been screaming when he fried Mace Windu, and on second viewing of episode 3 I still couldn't catch it. Now I know!
"UN LIIIIIIIIIIII MI TED POWERRRRRRRRR!!!!!" Awesome. I'm happy now. =) Okay, my two cents' worth. Prescribing IS scary when it comes to kids. Or to adults, for that matter! You give someone the wrong combination of meds and you can outright kill them, much less fail to help them. But what Tom-O isn't paying attention to, because he's a stupid selfish self-absorbed zealot of a cult, is that there are quite a few people out there (who will tell you if you ask them) who derive tremendous benefits from the psych meds we have today. Yeah, we have a long way to go, and if you look back into the history of mental health, there's true barbarism there, true. But that's not the whole picture. Tom has ventured from the realm of the irritating into a wholly new realm of nutty celebrity moxie and destructive public diarrhea of the mouth. He needs lithium. Or perhaps Depakote, or Lamictal, or some other mood stabilizer... Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on June 24, 2005, 10:10:49 PM Zapranoth wrote:
> Tom has ventured from the realm of the irritating into a wholly > new realm of nutty celebrity moxie and destructive public > diarrhea of the mouth. He needs lithium. Or perhaps > Depakote, or Lamictal, or some other mood stabilizer... > He seems pretty manic to me. He's got that delusional cocaine thing going on. I wouldn't go with the lithium though. I'd start with deprogramming sessions, therapy and something if necessary. Depakote might work or zyprexa. It's nothing a good dose of seroquel can't tame. After Katie leaves him, I'd also throw in some Viagra. Seriously though, I caught some of the mtv movie awards today and the special award to Tom was way overblown. It was one of those moments in celebrity worship that are downright uncomfortable. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Zapranoth on June 24, 2005, 11:10:20 PM Olanzapine would make him blimp out and become diabetic. That'd be a sight to see.
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Wence on June 25, 2005, 07:44:32 AM I would say that it is not cocain or other drugs that influence TomC.
I think these scientological "E-Meter-Sessions" made a freak out of him. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Susan on June 25, 2005, 09:37:59 AM Ash - maybe he's not on something. but he sure is a poster boy for people who *need* self medicating ;-)
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Yaddo 42 on June 25, 2005, 11:25:30 AM He's rumored to have ADHD related to his dyslexia that the Hubbard folks supposedly cured years ago.
I caught a clip of the Lauer interview, and read a transcript on the Drudge Report. Whew. To paraphrase every impression of Johnny Carson, "That is some weird, WILD stuff." He did have the whole "Believe me, I know this, you don't" attitude and the repeating "Matt....Matt...Matt" and tsking at anything he didn't like but never stated anything clearly to refute it pattern going on. Or he alluded to the overmedicated kids, and past abuses of electroshock therapy, or tried to change the subject with lines asking if Lauer knew Ritalin was a "street drug" now. Like any drug or product that can be abused or is hard to obtain legally is automatically evil if there is a criminal market of people willing to pay to abuse it. Isn't part of the drug abuse appeal of Ritalin is that it actually has the reverse effect in adults? It makes them hyper or wired rather than calming them. Just seemed very manic, IMO. But I guess saying that makes me one of the "bad people" who are part of the whole psychiatry conspiracy. Plus how tough is it to go toe to toe with Matt Lauer and leave him stammering? He's a fluffy morning show host who has as the toughest part of his job the task of not p**sing off Katie Couric. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Zapranoth on June 25, 2005, 12:53:29 PM (really OT)
Ritalin is methylphenidate, which is a relative of methamphetamine (aka meth, crystal meth, speed, crank). No one really knows why stimulants in general help kids with ADD, in truth -- but the current thinking is that kids with ADD don't have normally functioning frontal lobes (the part of the brain that's supposed to filter out what is important vs what is not) and that the stimulants make it step up and do its job. Tom does sorta resemble a less funny version of the original Robin Williams' Mork cameo on Happy Days, doesn't he? (Do you remember that - when he comes in and talks with them, then realizes he was too early, pokes his watch, and does the whole scene in reverse again?) You could tell that Robin was burning just a li-ttle bit too bright there... Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on June 25, 2005, 04:53:13 PM Anybody see that red carpet deal where an interviewer blasted Tom in the face with a squirting microphone?
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Susan on June 25, 2005, 04:58:09 PM hp - yeah, he scolded that guy like a little schoolboy standing there calling him a jerk for 10 minutes while holding his hand
at least it wasn't a pie like what happened to bill gates (http://www.bitstorm.org/gates/gates.ram);-) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on June 25, 2005, 05:46:44 PM Susan wrote:
> hp - yeah, he scolded that guy like a little schoolboy standing > there calling him a jerk for 10 minutes while holding his hand "Why did you do that? Why would you do that?" I just wanted to hear someone say: "Because it's funny and you take yourself too seriously. You made some movies. None of this dog and pony show is real. And now you're trying to brainwash America's sweatheart Katie Holmes." *Tom gets another squirt* Post Edited (06-25-05 17:56) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Susan on June 25, 2005, 07:58:29 PM Yeah his response shoulda been "FREE KATIE! FREE KATIE" then tom probably woulda slinked away
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Zapranoth on June 25, 2005, 10:31:04 PM No.
He should have said "I'm not Clear yet. The Thetans made me do it." Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Scottie on June 25, 2005, 11:28:53 PM Bill Gates being hit with a pie, still the funniest clip on the internet. In a different version of the video, you can actually see the attackers standing around laughing for a solid 6 seconds before anyone has the initiative to restrain them. The people just keep looking around at each other, wondering what the correct course of action is. Thanks for the nostalgic post Susan
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on June 26, 2005, 12:40:07 AM Some are saying that Tom is having a mid-life crisis. I say he is having an identity crisis. He doesn't know if he is:
a race car driver teenage pimp war veteran sports agent secret agent and now scientist and health advisor Maybe making WotW was the tipping point. The aliens are coming the aliens are coming! Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Susan on June 26, 2005, 09:13:52 AM I just caught the oprah/tom cruise fiasco on tape so here's my two cents. Now that is some scary stuff...way beyond what i imagined. He jumps on the couch like 4 or 5 times, he repeatedly fell to his knees making the "YESSS" gesture with his right arm, usually out of the blue, he practically assaulted oprah about 3 times by shaking her violently (seriously you could tell she was totally shocked and kept trying to get him to focus) She kept saying "Focus tom" and "you're gone" - mostly because he was avoiding alot of questions and would begin a reply like "she's just so amazing and...." then he'd start laughing and laughing
Everytime she asked him a question he would pause and then break out into maniacle laughter and fall over. A simple question such as "how did you meet?" it took him 5 sessions of laughing hysterically and oprah prodding him to answer and he was very VAGUE about it. Of course he was laughing, he was trying to think of a good answer without lying and stalling. Because we all know tom cruise arranges meetings with future girlfriends/wives. He see's them in a movie and has someone set up a meeting, it's all carefully planned i'm sure as he's so intense and intent on getting what he wants that he just picks who his next girlfriend is going to be like thumbing through a magazine. He knows how that looks, he should be embarassed. Boy it's sad, at the beginning of that show it's like you are watching someone spiralling down to rock bottom, some people don't know exactly when they have peaked - but with him you knew the exact minute. Clearly he was gone and clearly he couldn't focus. I guess that's what unmedicated people with psychological disorders do..... Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: AndyC on June 26, 2005, 09:57:05 AM The mid-life crisis is probably not far from the mark. What happens when a young star, worshipped by fans, in a totally self-centred existance, comes to the realization that he's going to get old and die? Look at the amount of plastic surgery and weird therapies that Hollywood stars spend their money on. In the midst of all that, they want to search for some deeper meaning to their existence, and, of course, they view mainstream religions as bad, outdated, corny or perhaps just not different enough. Maybe it doesn't hold the fast and easy answers they want. In their effort to avoid something that's a little hard to accept, they wind up following something that is completely insane. That doesn't apply to all of them of course, but I think it fits Cruise pretty well.
Quite a lot can be chalked up to plain old fear of death, and not just with the current crop of stars. Jackie Gleason took an interest in the occult, for example. The greater your ego, the more your mind will be blown by the thought of a world without you. And today's stars, more than ever, can see that their work is no guarantee of immortality. Names like Cary Grant and Clark Gable still meant something even when we were growing up, but kids today don't even know the stars of 30 years ago. Deep down, Cruise must know that in his lifetime, he could well see a generation of kids who will say "Tom who?" when their grandparents talk about the movies of their generation. In a century, he'll be as dead and forgotten as any ordinary guy. Bet it bothers the hell out of him. There is quite a lot to drive stars out of their minds, actually. Just try and justify their privileged existence with the strong belief in social justice many of them hold, and you'd go crazy too. Lot of hypocrisy in Hollywood, and I'm sure it takes its toll. Just thinking of my one experience with Scientologists. Back when I was 18 or 19, a buddy and I went into the city to hang out on the main drag (see a movie, go to the arcade, watch the hot cars cruise up and down). However, there was a local office of the Church of Scientology on the upper floor of one of the old stores down there, and they had somebody out front, offering free personality and IQ tests to teenagers and other vulnerable people. Bastards. Anyway, we went up and took the test (basically a multiple-choice, yes-no sort of affair), and put down whatever answers would make us look like the meanest, most cold-hearted psychos in the world. Funny, listening to this guy tell me what a cruel individual I am, but even funnier listening to the number of personality flaws that Scientology can help. I have a feeling I would have gotten the same shpiel if I'd fudged the answers to look especially kind and generous. Post Edited (06-26-05 16:15) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: odinn7 on June 26, 2005, 10:27:27 AM There was a Church of Scientology in the town next to where I live. I moved here in '97 and every time I passed that place, I never saw anyone going in, coming out, or any activity at all. I often wanted to stop in there just to see what was going on but I figured I may not be released if I got inside. Anyway, in 8 years of passing that place that I never saw anything going on, I needed to wonder exactly what it was doing here. Did it even have any members? Did anyone around here actually believe that crap? Well, in the end, they must not have been doing all too well because the place was sold a few months ago and has now become a kitchenwares store...perhaps it's a Scientologist kitchenwares store.
Tom Cruise is a freak and I'm so sick of reading about him and seeing his antics every time I read news. I will see WotW but I'm coming close to not seeing it just because of him. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on June 26, 2005, 12:38:18 PM Good points there AndyC. I didn't think before how someone could think that they are so different that traditional religions or philosophies couldn't possibly help them make sense of their own reality.
Since people paid and often worshipped for pretending to be other people could very well and understandably start to feel confused. Their situation doesn't make sense in the reality of regular people. So sure, maybe their situation makes more sense to them by thinking in terms of other planets and aliens. A self-help organization that promises enlightenment through special knowledge aquired in part by financial reqirements would be right up the alley for a confused aging teen idol with millions to burn. It's an us vs. them philosophy as far as I can tell. Tom thinks he knows more than others simply based on the fact that he studies scientology. He dismisses any real facts as false if they don't fit well into his delusion. Anyway, I just saw that more of the Today show interview is being heavily hyped to air this week. This is all very entertaining. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Wence on June 26, 2005, 02:00:59 PM Saw this "TomCruise-kills-Oprah"-Thing... sick!!!
Can anyone tell me why the hell Cruise is wrestling this woman? I can´t find a complete video-download of this interview - ideas? Title: Save Tom from Tom Post by: h.p. Love on June 26, 2005, 02:15:40 PM Susan said:
"Clearly he was gone and clearly he couldn't focus. I guess that's what unmedicated people with psychological disorders do....." There's a theory I haven't really heard before. Even though scientology from I've heard, refuses those that have received prior medication for a mental diognosis, maybe Tom was receiving pharmaceutical care. Stopping something for prescribed for manic/depressive disorders would explain the super-hyper mania we're seeing now. What a contrast to the way Travolta comes across, slightly condescending and dumb. Tom is a madman. I sort of feel bad that he probably doesn't know what he's doing and he's doing it all in front of cameras. I'm getting a little uncomfortable watching it now. Someone needs to help this guy. I hate to say it but: Save Katie From Tom and also Save Tom From Tom. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on June 26, 2005, 02:19:55 PM It seems Tom has a good work reputation and I would assume so based on his career. But he is making himself a huge liability that at some point will outweigh his box office bankability.
If I was his publicist, I'd move to get him sympathetic press by getting him into a facility or therapy fast. Followed by a book and a fluffy little interview with katy curic. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Ash on June 26, 2005, 03:01:05 PM There is also a Church of Scientology about a mile from where I live.
There's a laundromat right behind it that I used to do laundry at. It's actual title is "Church of Christ Scientist." I'm assuming that it's a Scientology church because of the name. I remember sitting in my car waiting for my clothes to wash/dry and staring at that place. I never saw any activity around that place at all. Matter of fact I also can't recall ever seeing a single person go in or out of there. Maybe they beam in & out. It's actually a really nice looking building. The grass is always mowed and the flowers planted around it look well maintained so someone must be there. I too have always had an urge to go inside. Post Edited (06-26-05 15:09) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: peter johnson on June 26, 2005, 03:43:09 PM No, no -- "Church of Christ, Scientist" is Christian Science/Mary Baker Eddy stuff. They at least believe in Jesus of a sort, but defer to the book "Health and Science, With a Key to Scripture", by Mary Baker Eddy, as their guidebook. It makes interesting reading, in a barely-coherent/schizo-affective glossolalia sort of way. Christian Scientists try to shun doctors and believe that poor health of any kind can and should be ultimately cured by prayer alone. They have special "prayer warriors" called Christian Science Practitioners who are "authorized" to pray over the really sick ones.
They also have very nice Reading Rooms and an excellent newspaper, "The Christian Science Monitor". Just a mixed bag of regular folk & screwy philosophy -- Definitely no cult, but you have to take a pretty hefty leap of Faith to get on board. My theory is that most Christian Scientists are raised that way, and that their conversion numbers are pretty low. Scientology, on the other hand, will come after you with kidnappers and men with guns if you try to quit. They will pursue and harrass your family, your friends, and people who know you. They will try to discredit your reputation, plant false news stories about you, and try to make your life pure hell. Boulder has a number of former Scientologists, some of who live under assumed names. I've met and spoken with several, and the stories they tell are astonishing & consistent. I was present when one of my neighbors had the local Sheriff's Dept. come and forcibly take away his computer at the behest of local Scientologists because he was posting information about what Scientologists really believe -- they tried to get him on "copywright violations" infractions. The Scientology leadership is dangerous and potentially violent. L. Ron Hubbard preached against ever "turning the other cheek", and advocated going after anyone who "slandered" the Church hammer & tongs. They give a nominal nod to Jesus & mainstream Christianity in order to attract members, but once inside you find out pretty quick that they don't advocate anything resembling any sort of Chirstian belief, and have no actual respect for Christianity or any other Faith that isn't Scientology. peter johnson/denny crane Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on June 26, 2005, 04:04:39 PM Maybe these buildings of inactivity are in the comunities for tax schemes and to receive payments localy from members in the area. Maybe actual lessons take place at another location.
Are there actually scientologist "services". Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Susan on June 26, 2005, 04:25:23 PM Ash - not the same. scientologists have nothing to do with jesus, it's more of a cult than a religion.
wence - no idea where a video of that is, i'm sure you could try googling it as there might be a snippet somewhere. He was really flinging her around, toward the end of the interview her body language said it all. She was scooted as far in her chair away from him as possible and had her legs crossed away from him..everytime he got up and came toward her to shake her she cringed. All i kept thinking was he found the perfect woman. she's young, clearly impressionable and will probably take up scientology AND she said when she was a kid she wanted to marry tom cruise. What a stroke to the ego..he said he couldn't disappoint her. When i saw a publicity shot of him holding child star Dakota Fanning in his arms i kept thinking "there's his next wife" This is a great article (http://www.suntimes.com/output/entertainment/sho-sunday-war26.html) maybe he needs an exorcism! Someone should should put that in the script for the next exorcist movie ;-) Post Edited (06-26-05 16:44) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Ash on June 26, 2005, 04:42:23 PM Thanks for the info.
Because of the name I figured it was a Scientology church....apparently not. Whenever I think of the name "Christ Scientist" I picture Jesus in a white lab coat performing experiments with beakers full of unknown bubbling liquids. Post Edited (06-26-05 16:43) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on June 26, 2005, 05:31:16 PM Susan,
I remember the commercial well too even though I was relatively young. Why do I remember it so well? It's creepy to think about how well I do. *different voice-overs* "How can I improve my career?" pg. 146 "How can I take charge of my diet?" pg. 56 (exploding volcano) *deep male voice* "Dianetics...by L...Ron...Hubbard I don't trust that commercial. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: odinn7 on June 26, 2005, 08:26:11 PM Back in the 80's, someone I worked with was reading Diuretics and I couldn't help myself...I picked it up one day and skimmed through it to see what all the hype was about. From what I remember, it was written in such a way as to make it downright confusing. I liken it to almost reading a legal document or some such...that's about how confusing it came across.
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on June 26, 2005, 08:53:18 PM odinn7 wrote:
From what I > remember, it was written in such a way as to make it downright > confusing. I liken it to almost reading a legal document or > some such...that's about how confusing it came across. > This is from PAGE THREE of "How to Read This Book" (and yes, this is how it is written) And keep the first sentence in mind as you read on: "When one is delivering answers which are simple, he need not make the communication any more difficult than is necessary to convey the ideas. "Basic language" has been used, much of the nomenclature is colloqial; the pedantic has not only not been employed, it has also been ignored. This volume communicates to several strata of life and professions; the favorite nomenclature of none have been observed since such a usage would impede th understanding of others. And so bear with us, psychiatrist, when your structure is not used, for we have no need for structure here; and bear with us doctor, when we call a cold a cold and not a catarrhal disorder of the respiratory tract. For this is, essentially, engineering, and those engineers are liable to say anything. And "scholar," you would not enjoy being burdened with the summation signs and the Lorentz-Fitzgerald-Einstein equations, so we shall not burden the less puristic reader with scientifically impossible Hegelian grammar which insists that absolutes exist in fact." Wow. When was the last time your doctor told you to drink plenty of fluids because you had a "catarrhal disorder of the respiratory trach"? Page three and already the brainwashing begins. Hubbard drops the cold example, mentions the Einstein stuff, and the Hegel stuff because he understands it (of course) and you don't need to. This lets the book make up all kinds of crazy gibberish words to futher delude people from reality. Read the first sentence again. Post Edited (06-26-05 20:56) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Susan on June 26, 2005, 08:57:30 PM odin - diuretics?
no wonder it was confusing! Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Zapranoth on June 27, 2005, 12:38:54 AM Holy cow!
Btw, I'm[/i] a medical doctor. What the hell is a "catarrhal disorder of the respiratory tract?" What a crook Hubbard was. "I'm glad you're dead. HAHAHAHA! I'm glad you're dead..." Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: AndyC on June 27, 2005, 05:12:28 AM But I bet it really feels good to a stupid person to think that all of that jargon used by professionals is just nonsense, meant to confuse the ordinary folks and keep us down. They're no better than you, smart reader. Then, after that ego massage, the book pulls out some jargon of its own to do just that.
I remember reading, in Canticle for Liebowitz, a great bit of dialogue on scientific jargon that directly attacked the myth that things would be simpler if "plain English" were employed. A scientist explained that the whole point of scientific jargon is to simplify. If science were conducted in everyday terms people understood, it would take much longer, and require much more complicated verbiage to describe phenomena and communicate ideas. More specific terms are developed in order to avoid the lengthy explanations that would be required using plain English. Funny how Hubbard set engineers apart, even though they have their own professional language like any of the others. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: odinn7 on June 27, 2005, 07:15:59 AM h.p. Love wrote:
> odinn7 wrote: > > From what I > > remember, it was written in such a way as to make it > downright > > confusing. I liken it to almost reading a legal document or > > some such...that's about how confusing it came across. > > > > > This is from PAGE THREE of "How to Read This Book" (and yes, > this is how it is written) And keep the first sentence in mind > as you read on: > > "When one is delivering answers which are simple, he need not > make the communication any more difficult than is necessary to > convey the ideas. "Basic language" has been used, much of the > nomenclature is colloqial; the pedantic has not only not been > employed, it has also been ignored. This volume communicates to > several strata of life and professions; the favorite > nomenclature of none have ...Blah, Blah, Blah I rest my case. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on June 27, 2005, 01:39:37 PM odinn7 wrote:
> I rest my case. > You ain't kidding. My favorite part: "...the pedantic has not only not been > employed, it has also been ignored." AKA "is not used" Title: Re: diuretics Post by: h.p. Love on June 27, 2005, 01:46:37 PM It's a great book for what it is. Get rid of necessary scientific words and then just make up your own. People interested in this are invariably confused and so, as the last pages of the book suggests, get yourself to a scientologist auditor. They will help you understand. No wonder why Tom can't verbalize a point, he probably doesn't understand what he's being told, but he probably knows if he starts using scientology terms he's going to look even more whacko.
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: trekgeezer on June 27, 2005, 02:43:17 PM Read here and see what advice The Most Holy Bloated One has for Cruise.
http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~20954~2938086,00.html (http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~20954~2938086,00.html) Title: Shatner speaks out Post by: h.p. Love on June 27, 2005, 03:28:35 PM LMAO!
"When asked if he had any advice for the star, Shatner said it's helpful to remember that in the big scheme of things "you’re not very important."" What if he followed by "beam him up scottie" Post Edited (06-27-05 20:25) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: AndyC on June 27, 2005, 03:52:02 PM Shatner's popularity seems to have resurged and grown with his ability to laugh at himself. Cruise could learn a thing or two from the old-timer.
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: LH-C on June 27, 2005, 06:59:14 PM After all of Cruise's antics last week, I swear I will never watch a movie with him in it again. There were about four movies I liked that he was featured in anyway - the laugh riot Endless Love, The Outsiders, Risky Business, and A Few Good Men.
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on June 27, 2005, 07:18:56 PM I can't think of the last movie I went to with him in it. Probably Minority Report and we all know how great that was. The only one I rerent is Eyes Wide Shut. EDIT: 'cause kubrick rules.
I'm definitely not going to WotW in a theater. EDIT: Just not interested. I WILL go see another Battlefield earth with Travolta and Cruise though. Post Edited (06-27-05 20:01) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Susan on June 27, 2005, 09:35:33 PM more on scientology:
>>>>A Scientologist who is in the beginning stages of auditing — the stage Katie Holmes is reportedly in at this point — would be considered a "pre-clear." If she persists through these lower levels, which address career and other earthly struggles, she will reach the state of “clear.” Www.scientology.org Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Once “clear,” Scientologists work on more otherworldly concerns through a series of levels starting with "Operating Thetan 1." It is only at this point that Scientologists can begin receiving knowledge of confidential teachings of Scientology. Cruise, said to be an OT6, and Travolta — reportedly OT7 — are well into this realm. Among the secrets revealed to adherents who reach the OT3 level is the incident that led to the current evils of the Earth. In leaked documents now posted on the Internet, this incident started with a galactic shake-up 75 million years ago, when an alien ruler sent billions of subjects to this planet to solve an overpopulation problem. These "thetan" souls dispersed and invaded humans. Scientology is the means through which one's Body Thetans (BTs) are purged. Hubbard was a science-fiction writer and self-styled philosopher and scientist who died in 1986. Though he spent his later life lecturing and writing about what he called the "applied technology" of Scientology and Dianetics, he never won over the scientific community. Instead, in 1993, Scientology won status as a tax-exempt religious organization. <<< Holy crap - Level OT7! Do secret chamber doors open and men with write robes and ruby rings escort you into a room with lots of pretty colored buttons you can push and blow up small third world countries? Sounds like a sci-fi writer gone awry. Just imagine if the biggest star wars fanatic started his own religious organization... Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: dean on June 28, 2005, 12:41:06 AM >>>Just imagine if the biggest star wars fanatic started his own religious organization... In the last census here, there was alot of publicity for a group of people trying to convince others to sign their religion as 'Jedi' so that they could officially start their own church or something. A couple of my friends signed as Jedi but I don't think it really made/makes any difference... Still it would be funny seeing the Jedi's roaming the streets trying to convince people to 'move along' and such... Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: odinn7 on June 28, 2005, 06:44:20 AM "Just imagine if the biggest star wars fanatic started his own religious organization..."
Count me in. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Wence on June 28, 2005, 07:10:49 AM Yesterday I saw an incident on TV with a reporter and Tom Cruise. The reporter made a silly joke with Cruise - his mic was prepared as a spray-gun.
After Cruise got a load of water in his face he became angry (but could hold himself back), he said something like: "I am kind to you and take my time to talk with you and you!? You do THIS!!! You´re stupid! STUPID!" I don´t know who this reporter was and why he did it. Perhaps he´s a radical anti-scientologist or so. Well, this joke will be a expensive fun for the reporter - Cruise called his Lawyers in. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: AndyC on June 28, 2005, 08:06:30 AM Wence wrote:
> he said something like: "I am > kind to you and take my time to talk with you and you!? You do > THIS!!! You´re stupid! STUPID!" > Cruise called his Lawyers in. Well, now there's no question that Scientology has helped him find inner peace and made him a better person. I don't think I'll go and see WotW. Not because I wasn't looking forward to it, and not because it doesn't look interesting, but because Tom Cruise is an a***ole. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on June 28, 2005, 09:37:41 AM "Your honor, I got water in my eye while walking on a magic red carpet to see myself pretend to save the world. And, *shaking at the horror* the water almost ruined my special makeup."
*turning to The Red Carpet Squirt Pistol Terror* "Why? Why would you do this? Why would you do something like this? Why I ask you why." Judge: "I hereby rule the defendent to get squirted in the face for 5 seconds at close range with a water pistol while walking on a magic red carpet. Court adjourned." Post Edited (06-28-05 09:41) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: AndyC on June 28, 2005, 02:54:18 PM Taking a second look at Cruise's response to the prank, it's really quite revealing. It's as if stopping to talk to this guy was such a grand thing, such a great privilege, and (horrors) he played a little trick on his benefactor. Bit the hand that fed him. "Is this how you repay me?!"
How dare he not respond the way he's supposed to - with star-struck ass kissing. Just completely forgot his place. There must be something wrong with him. Forget the squirting toys. Somebody should fling a cowpie at Cruise next time. What was that Line from Star Trek: TNG? "I always thought you could use some humiliation. Or was it humility? Either would do." Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Wence on June 28, 2005, 03:46:54 PM Here some info about the "Curch of Scientology":
1950 - Lafayette Ronald Hubbard´s books "Book Nr.1" and "Dianetics" come out. In the same year a "Centre for Dianetics" is founded in California. 1954 - After problems with the US health authorities, the "Curch of Scientology California" is founded (nice trick!). 1959 - Scientology buys Castle of St. Hill (Britain) and uses it as new Headquarters. 1965 - An Australian investigating committee deems Scientology as "evil" and as a "threat to society" ! 1969 - Scientology has to leave Britain (!). A private fleet ("SEA ORG") is now Scientology´s Headquarters. 1976 - Clearwater (Florida) becomes actual Headquarters. 1978 - L. Ron Hubbard is sentenced for fraud in France ! The groups statistics: Scientology has 3.100 "Curches", "Missions" and "Celebrity Centres" in 107 Countries. All organisations and side-organisations have about 8 Million members (!). Their new leader is David Miscavige. Scientological organisations: RTC ("Religious Technology Centre") ABLE ("Association for Better Living and Education") WISE ("World Institute of Scientology Enterprises International") IAS ("International Association of Scientologists") NARCONON (drug abuse help-centre!) CRIMINON (centre for former criminals!) and more so-called "ORGS" Some of you wrote that there´s a Scientology-Centre/Curch in the near of your homes. I live near Nürnberg and we have a scientological "Mission" here, too. Next time I go by I will visit it (if it´s open) to get some info stuff about "Thetans" and all that funny crap they believe in. PS: I am watching Cruise in THE FIRM for the third time now - cool film. Title: cochran to defend squirtgun bandit Post by: h.p. Love on June 28, 2005, 05:47:37 PM yeah, I know Johnnie Cochran is dead but what if he wasn't?
And yeah I know I post compulsively on this thread. J.C.: "What did my client do to you? What was it that he did?" Tom: "He squirted me with water." J.C.: "My client squited you with water?" Tom: "Yes." J.C.: "How did my client squirt you with this water?" Tom: "It came out of a microphone." J.C. : "You say the water came out of a microphone?" Tom: "Yes." J.C.: "[I've never seen anything like that. I don't believe it!] Was this was a regular microphone? Or would you say it was a special modified microphone?" Tom:"It was modified." J.C.: "Are you accusing my client of modifying a special microphone for the purpose of squirting you with water?" Tom: "Yes." J.C.: "Where's the proof? Did you see him modify this special water squirting microphone?" Tom: "No." J.C.: "I'm sorry, my ears are bad. Could you speak up and say that again please?" Tom's lawyer: "Objection your honor!" Judge: "Overruled. Would the plaintiff please answer the question?" Tom: "No." J.C.: "No what?" Tom: "No, I did not see your client modify the microphone." J.C.:" If you didn't see my client modify the super special modified water-squirting microphone, then how do you know he did? How do you know that some else didn't secretly modify his normal microphone into a microphone modified for the special purpose of squirting water? Can you prove that?" Tom: "Uh. I guess..." J.C.: "What?" Tom: "No. I guess I can't prove that.." J.C.: "What did you do after this water allegedly splashed in your face from a specially modified microphone?" Tom: "I held your client's hand." J.C.: "You held his hand? Why would you hold his hand? Did you know this man? Was he your special lover? Did he ask you to hold his hand? [Did you think he wanted to cross the street?]" Tom: "No." J.C.: "You're sure my client didn't hold your hand? Was it his idea to hold hands?" Tom:"No." J.C. : "Oh, so you just got some water on your face and as a consequence decided to reach out and grab my client's hand without his permission?" Tom: "Yes" J.C.: "I see. Well then, special ladies and gentleman of the esteemed jury, you must find my client innocent. He did not modify the super secretly modified water-squirting microphone. He would not and could not do that. He was just as surprised and frightened as anyone else standing by the magic red carpet who was surprised and frightened by this strange and unexpected water. And the plaintif then took actions that scared my client further and unneccessarily causing him distress. My client did not commit assault. There wasn't any spit. No spit. [Not one spot of spit.] Listen to me. You must acquit. No spit you must acquit. Nothing further your honor. I rest my case." Eventually I'm going to get tired of this whole thing. I wonder what Stern has to say? Hey, at least I avoided the obvious "you can't handle the truth." edit in [ ] above Post Edited (06-28-05 19:29) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: LH-C on June 28, 2005, 05:52:59 PM LMAO......H.P. that was awesome!!!!!!!!! I've been having a bad dat, and that really cheered me up. Also, I'm getting tired of the whole thing too. Glad when it will be over and I can really begin to pretend that Tom Cruise doesn't exist.
Title: thanks Post by: h.p. Love on June 28, 2005, 06:57:25 PM Thanks. I'm glad you got a laugh. I've been slap happy all day and I made that thing up as I went. I hate to admit it, but hearing the "Seinfeld" Cochran as I read it makes me laugh myself.
I wish I had added some sort of crazy scientology outburst from Tom but oh well. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Zapranoth on June 28, 2005, 09:37:31 PM Im-pressive!
Mmmmost im-pressive! Your skillz are complete! (LMAO, h.p. That was totally insane.) Title: Lewis Black/Daily Show (6/28) Post by: h.p. Love on June 28, 2005, 10:25:21 PM Post #100
I just caught this tonight and it was great. Lewis Black is hilarious. He's the older guy who rants and raves on the daily show once a week. He also had the comedy central special where he talks about a girl he overheard in an IHOP who says she wouldn't have graduated from college if it wasn't for her hourse. Black saved it for last and used clips from the matt lauher interview. It's even more scary seeing that thing again. I've been feeling bad for Cruise. He's melting down on camera. I fully expect him to go into some kind of therapy and go back on Oprah and back on with Lauher at some point. The Oprah will be HUGE. Anyone think he's acting? Post Edited (06-28-05 22:29) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Zapranoth on June 29, 2005, 01:21:26 AM No, he's not acting.
Not ever. Not even when he tries. =) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on June 29, 2005, 01:01:44 PM His acting is almost more realistic than the way he's acting now. Watching those clips again, it didn't even look real. "Matt, Matt, Matt. You don't know psychiatry. I know psychiatry. Did you know that ritilan is a street drug?"
Matt can't handle the truth! Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: AndyC on June 29, 2005, 02:12:11 PM True enough. His fictional characters seem like everyday Tom Cruise, while his actual behaviour is a pretty fair portrayal of a nut.
Title: Tom on the View Fri. Post by: h.p. Love on June 29, 2005, 10:38:54 PM Tom scheduled to be on The View Friday the 1st. Maybe barbara walters will get something good out of him.
(downloading the oprah debacle now and making some popcorn) Title: Re: Tom on the View Fri. Post by: Lee on June 30, 2005, 02:17:07 AM he better be careful. These antics of his as of late might provide more entertainment than the movie. :)
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Wence on June 30, 2005, 03:52:16 AM >>downloading the oprah debacle now and making some popcorn
where can I get the whole video from? Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: onionhead on June 30, 2005, 10:15:44 AM trek geezer, have you forwarded the Shatnerologist site to the Scientologists? We may see a new celelbrity trend here . . . . . . . .
Post Edited (06-30-05 10:16) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Neville on June 30, 2005, 11:25:54 AM OK, this post has reached 107 responses, so please don't be too hard on me if I repeat something already written here, because I don't have the time to read through the whole thread.
Is it me or Tom Cruise is starting to look creepy? There is something in that way he moves around too fast, or on how his smile inmediately rises to something maniachal. He's starting to look like the animated Joker to me. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Fearless Freep on June 30, 2005, 12:00:54 PM OK, this post has reached 107 responses I've just been trying to figure out how a OT thread about a A list celebrity can reach 100+ posts on a B movie message board. Bruce Campbell I would at least understand...but..Tom Cruise? Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: odinn7 on June 30, 2005, 12:15:26 PM It's because Cruise is a f'in freak. If he was just an "A list celebrity", we would have no reason to talk about him but the fact that he's a freak...well, now that's quite a different story. Still, I am thoroughly sick of seeing him on tv and reading about him in the news all the time. I never liked him and now I like him even less.
Title: Re: Links Post by: h.p. Love on June 30, 2005, 01:12:08 PM I actually didn't download it yet. It's a huge 2 part file and I'm a dial up kinda guy.
It's apparently available at: TomCruisefan.com Which is an extremely disturbing site by people obsessed with tom cruise in a bad way (unlike my way which is ok). Look at the message board. Everyone has avatars of cruise and signatures with cruise and they don't really say anything except agree about how much they love tom cruise. Anything "negative' is prohibited and his potentially rantings and ravings and scientology in general is not mentioned. TVGasm.com A site with some cool montages based on the oprah, access hollywood, water squirting incident, the today show (with a comment at the end from katie couric). I can only get sound on the last one. Small files. Salon.com (arts and entertainment pages) 2 articles of a 4 part series on dianetics, celebrities, and hubbard. The series was started with the onslouth of angry/happy/manic tom. Apparently many think he has reached OT-VII level which is some sort of astral projection, delusional state that you command superpowers over reality, and so forth. Tom's been a 'tologist for about 20 years, which is the average time to reach that level of "understanding" Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Menard on June 30, 2005, 01:37:54 PM Love him or hate him, he is apparently popular enough to elicit this kind of response. He has certainly found his way into the news with some of his couch jumping antics as of late. I don't have much opinion about him one way or another. If he is in a movie I like, I do not find myself liking the movie because of him or disliking the movie because of him. Although I do recognize that some people will go to see a movie because he is in it, as there is star pulling power to many celebrities, as well there are those who will avoid a movie because he is in it. Uh...would that be star repulsion power? (:
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: trekgeezer on June 30, 2005, 01:44:29 PM This thread is really getting tiresome.
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on June 30, 2005, 03:04:33 PM trek_geezer wrote:
> This thread is really getting tiresome. > Stop reading it and take a nap. I think it's more interesting than dissecting silly top 100 lists. OT yes, but he's an "a list" celeb but has been in bad movies. Besides, now that his public life his become more interesting than most of the movies "a list" celebrities are in, I'll pay attention till i'm sick of it too. It doesn't cost 7.50 and drinks are free. His press and behavior have created a weird "b-movie reality show." Scientology tents on movie sets, katie holmes with scientologist reps in her entourage, The ape man dance, the hand holding thing, calling matt lauher "glib", saying he's helped 100s of people get off of drugs. It's crazy fun. And after all, he's in a remake of a classic sci-fi film/radio program. I'm not interested in an A-list actor, I'm interested in an A-list nut job. Post Edited (06-30-05 15:11) Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: AndyC on June 30, 2005, 09:24:39 PM Yeah, it's not every day you get to see a big star lose his mind, and do it so publicly.
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Susan on June 30, 2005, 09:46:33 PM Can we have a real celebrity cage match with tom cruise and mel gibson? Brooks shields can be the girl who walks around with the card showing the round of the match
Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Zapranoth on June 30, 2005, 09:47:19 PM That tomcruisefan forum is astonishingly creepy. Take a look at it if you like. It has some major lithium lack goin' on there. Looks like they are being trolled more heavily than I've ever seen a site trolled before. They have a very long page of rules in their registration screen, and it requires an admin email (not automated) to register.
And they delete and ban for the first hint of Tom-bashage. =) They have some cool animated smilies that I have copied, though that's the only thing of any pure value on the site I saw... but as said above, they have tons of creepy Tom avatars and everyone has an artsy Tom picture in her/his .sig. Here's a copy of the sticky in the main forum: "Recently, we have had an influx of 40 - 50 people a day joining this site to rip Tom a new one, and things are beginning to get out of hand. I would like to take some time to clairify my position on this issue. If you are here for the sole reason to tell us that you disagree with Tom, please do yourself a favor and don't even post. I will delete your post, ban your screenname, IP address, and email address from this forum without warning. I've timed it and I can do that in all of 20 seconds. On the other hand it probably take you 20 minutes to sign up and write your post. Please save both of us some time and just not post it. I am all for freedom of speech, but if I let 40+ new members a day post about how the disagree with Tom this place would be overrun, and HIS TRUE FANS (which is what this site is for) wouldn't be having any fun. So I don't care how you sugarcoat your message with this crap "Oh I like Tom, but.." or "I'm not here to bash, but.." or "He makes good movies, but..." I DON'T CARE. If your first post is how you disagree with Tom, I will delete it and ban you. It's that simple. I'm sorry to have to place such strict rules, but unfourtantly, it is what has to be done to keep this place civil at the moment. When things go back to normal, I'll probably delete this post. So if you are new here and really ARE a fan what should you do? Well if you haven't realized it, Tom's about to release a new AWSOME movie War of the Worlds. One of our best members shadowkat has been kind enough to write a review of the NY premiere. Go check it out and see what you think! " Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on June 30, 2005, 10:18:56 PM Zap, did you also notice who the admin is? It's a guy: Jon.
One post I saw had a big pic of tom and katie and it said: TOMATIE! If you look at the vid thumbs, you get a kind of timeline. Someone here said he's starting to look strange and you can see the progression. It's the smile. It has grown to enormous proportions and he keeps laughing and using it even more than ever. Plus, he's off his rocker at the moment and that can't help any. Also, he dumped his longtime manager apparently and now it's his sister. Also a 'tologist from what I've read. I don't think my demented interest in this will last too much longer, not that it'll go away completely. I'm going to see what time the view is on and probably tape it. Lewis Black the other night was pretty funny: footage from Today: Matt, psychology is a...it's a pseudoscience. cut to Black: As opposed to scientology! Which has the word "science" right in it! footage of Tom: There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance. cut to Black: Oh no? Then how do you explain what is happening to you right NOW! Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Zapranoth on June 30, 2005, 11:42:38 PM >If you look at the vid thumbs, you get a kind of timeline. Someone here said he's starting to look strange >and you can see the progression. It's the smile. It has grown to enormous proportions and he keeps >laughing and using it even more than ever. Plus, he's off his rocker at the moment and that can't help >any.
Sorta Smilex-like, wouldn't you say? (Or however you spell that stuff the Joker uses. Yeah, the Jack Nicholson Joker.) Title: The View right now Post by: h.p. Love on July 01, 2005, 10:23:55 AM It's going to be a "great" show. I just love The View and never miss it.
Tom Cruise AND Dakota Fanning. I know I am going to be entertained and learn so much! Ahem...Anyway, the butt kissing started right off the bat before Cruise even appeared (actually he hasn't appeared yet). The View is interrupted right now by Bush commenting on justice O'Conner's retirement or some other sort of less important nonsense. Think of all the angry fans at tomcruisefan.com. Is this a conspiracy to keep Tom under wraps? If it is, I guess it is only supposed to affect those of us in the Central time zone. Hmm. ;) I forget who commented on the weirdness at tomcruisefan.com but not all negative comments are NOT gone. Some are just sneaky, or at least sneaky enough to fool the geniuses over there. Title: Re: The View right now Post by: Menard on July 01, 2005, 10:37:48 AM Having seen Tim Robbins standing with Tom Cruise; is Tim Robbins that tall, or is Tom Cruise that short?
Title: Re: The View right now Post by: Neville on July 01, 2005, 10:45:36 AM Both.
Title: Re: The View right now Post by: Menard on July 01, 2005, 11:00:37 AM I noticed on this episode of The View that apparemtly couch jumping has become the in-thing.
Title: Re: The View right now Post by: h.p. Love on July 01, 2005, 11:24:05 AM LOL..."both". I was going to say the same thing. It has an exponential effect.
I watched my tape and the president's newscast ruined the best part. The part where he is introduced is gone and directly after the interruption Katie Holmes is getting up to leave so the WotW actors can come in. What I saw was one of the sickest love-fests I have ever seen on tv. Every compliment from the cast echoed by stupid applause and all the movie cast did was compliment eachother as the view cast complimented them about complimenting each other and so forth. The puffiest infomercial I have ever seen. Maybe the view reruns at a later time. The only pointless reason for even watching was to see the in love couple interact. The couch jumping was scary. It's funny when someone is making fun of it. But sort of doing it as some kind of cute thing that minimizes the original stupidity of is whole nother can of worms. Title: Re: The View right now Post by: Menard on July 01, 2005, 11:57:18 AM Not to mention that in addition to the couch jumping during the show, they felt obliged to show clips of each couch jumping moment in the wrap.
Title: Re: The View right now Post by: h.p. Love on July 01, 2005, 12:16:06 PM Menard wrote:
> Not to mention that in addition to the couch jumping during the > show, they felt obliged to show clips of each couch jumping > moment in the wrap. > I missed that. But the thing I got out of this was when the movie cast was asked if they believed in aliens. Tom said he has to see something to believe it when obviously, being a high ranking OT-VII science-fictionologist, he believes in aliens by definition. Still, any demented reason for wanting to watch this was the cruise/holmes stuff and it was completely gone. There was way too much smiling going on with cruise and fanning. Tim Robbins seemed like the most grounded of the whole whole show. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: Wence on July 01, 2005, 03:08:55 PM h.p.love wrote
>> His press and behavior have created a weird "b-movie reality show." Scientology tents on movie sets, katie holmes with scientologist reps in her entourage, The ape man dance, the hand holding thing, calling matt lauher "glib", saying he's helped 100s of people get off of drugs. It's crazy fun. And after all, he's in a remake of a classic sci-fi film/radio program. That´s the only reason I brought up this thread. If you guys like bad movies for their unwilling comedy factor - like me - this topic is a must here. Tom Cruise is the actual master of unwilling comedy and bad taste actions. Title: Re: OT: Tom Cruise Post by: h.p. Love on July 01, 2005, 04:44:33 PM I just watched a little more of The View and it is BY FAR the most disturbing piece of hollywood propaganda that I have ever seen! If you thought Oprah's audience is cultish and star-struck celebrity worshipers, then you ain't seen nothin.
Absolutely no information came out of an hour of flapping jaws. If only even barbara walters could have asked someone their favorite color or tree or something. Anything. The purpose of this show was palpable. You couldn't cut it with a knife.Tom laughing, the audience gushing, dakota fanning grinning and laughing about how great tom is, and on and on. And no one made a point, or statement of substance. The only thing worthwhile, minus the weird jumpin-on-the-couch is so cute thing, was tom answering, "Do you believe aliens exist" with "I'd have to see them." He started the scientology subject, at least he can answer truthfully by saying he's had aliens in his head that scientology has helped him exorcise. |