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I remember back in the '60s and early '70s;  if you were a TV character and you wanted to knock somebody out, you snuck up behind them and gave them a karate chop to the side of the neck.  This would result in their instantly falling unconscious.  Nobody does that anymore.

Also, back then, if a person was tied up with rope, it was incumbent upon them to struggle against the rope for the entire time they were tied up.  Nowadays, if a TV character is tied up, they just sit there helpless.

Any other stuff?

I can't think of anything at this moment, but..............................

About that chop. Actually the chop to the side of the neck wouldn't work. It might stagger them from the force, but won't knock them out. The location of the "knock out" strike is more to the back of the neck just upon the muscle that is on either side of the vertibrae of the neck. This will drop them for a little while. Their legs will buckle and they will fall to the floor.



Post Edited (09-28-05 10:27)

Scott, you cold blooded killer, you.



Post Edited (09-28-05 10:45)

Ummm....The Vulcan Neck Pinch?

That hasn't been done in years...except in reruns.

I always liked the way cowboys (or cops, or bad guys) would crack someone in the back of the head with a pistol. This would knock them out and they would wake up a little later, rub the sore spot and be on their merry way.

Now I know most folks here have handled a few weapons and realize this could give someone a major concussion if not downright kill them.

About that karate chop thing. Captain Kirk did that a few times.

To be honest the whole fist fight thing has always been a load of crap. I 've seen grown men fight and guess what they pull hair, gouge eyes, bite, kick, hang on to each other, and roll  around a lot.

I always liked the single punch to the jaw putting someone out too

I have seen the single punch to the jaw take someone down but it's not a common occurance as it is on TV.
I also like the fighting in movies and TV and agree with you Trek, in real life not only do the fights get more dirty than you see but they also usually don't last nearly as long.
As far as things that they used to do but don't anymore...I'm kind of at a loss but I will put some time into it and see if I can come up with anything other than that they used to dress much nicer on cop shows than they do now...they also seemed to generally carry smaller guns.

I got a good one that they used to do. The bloodless bullet hole. When people would get shot  (especially on tv) most of them time they didn't even get a hole in their clothes much less any blood. .

You don't see really extended fight scenes that realistically portray the totality of a fight between two men. I'm thinking They Live! here. The fight between Roddy Piper and Keith David has got to be the longest fight scene ever filmed for a movie. I timed it at eight minutes! Compare that to the one punch knockout fights mentioned previously. It ain't no comparison.

The Keith David/Roddy Piper fight goes on for so long it get almost to the point of being boring.

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Fights generally end up on the ground after the first or second punch. (unless for some reason your following rules) Depending on the intent of those involved is what determines the rest. There are no rules.................................

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Roddy Piper was always a favorite. A bit annoying, but great.



Post Edited (09-28-05 15:54)

Mr. Hockstatter wrote:

> I remember back in the '60s and early '70s;  if you were a TV
> character and you wanted to knock somebody out, you snuck up
> behind them and gave them a karate chop to the side of the
> neck.  This would result in their instantly falling
> unconscious.  Nobody does that anymore.
>

I don't know about movies, but I do this all the time.

Nobody ever carries around a big boombox blasting tunes anymore.  Hey kids!  Your IPods are lame!  Ghetto blasters are where it's at!

How long was that fight scene at the end of The Quiet Man?

Another thing you don't see anymore is the two-handed Starfleet maneuver.

You know.  You join your hands, and swing upwards with your elbows LOCKED, hitting your opponent in the jaw.  OR you can swing downwards and hit him on the back of the neck, instantly KO'ing him.

You don't see the good old Judo throw either.  Grab opponent's lapels, roll onto your back, one foot into his midsection, and toss!

Don't see Dukes of Hazzard style sliding across the hood of the car anymore.

Don't see drivers doing a Rockford much anymore.

Don't have the wacka-bom-a-wacka-bom-a-wacka background music anymore.  :)

In general, less falling through walls is seen.

Overall, fewer instances of hypnosis, for any purpose.

trek_geezer wrote:

>
> I always liked the single punch to the jaw putting someone out
> too

If you like that then:
WATCH THIS! (http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/detail.asp?ID=49097&type=1&page=2)

(Note: the site this video is on contains Adult Material)



Post Edited (09-29-05 05:15)

Well, they might not have ghetto blasters (a pity), but the kids around here do find ways to make their ipods extra showy. Anybody else see teenagers walking around listening to mp3s on big honking huge home stereo headphones? They're all doing it here.

Probably gives them a nice sound, but I wonder if it kills the batteries faster. Also makes it a lot harder to hear traffic, especially when they cross the street wherever and whenever the mood strikes them.

AndyC wrote:

> Well, they might not have ghetto blasters (a pity), but the
> kids around here do find ways to make their ipods extra showy.
> Anybody else see teenagers walking around listening to mp3s on
> big honking huge home stereo headphones? They're all doing it
> here.
>
> Probably gives them a nice sound, but I wonder if it kills the
> batteries faster. Also makes it a lot harder to hear traffic,
> especially when they cross the street wherever and whenever the
> mood strikes them.
>

Hey, don't talk bad about those headphones, I own a pair, though don't use them that much anymore [with my Ipod as well mind you] since they aren't suitable for portability [a really big cord which is taller than me, kinda not good to carry in your pocket, plus they are broken slightly] but they do pump out some really good sound quality, and it's good for when I take public transport to Uni, so I don't have to listen to all the people on the trains and trams, and besides, what do you need to hear traffic for anyways...

Not too sure about the battery sapping ability of them, but they were a really good pair of headphones.  I use them now with my computer so I can watch DVDs in bed as loud as I want without annoying the rest of the household.  God I'm lazy; I can use a remote on it to play dvds.  That's so lazy...

ASHTHECAT wrote:

> trek_geezer wrote:
>
> >
> > I always liked the single punch to the jaw putting someone
> out
> > too
>
> If you like that then:
> WATCH
> THIS! (http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/detail.asp?ID=49097&type=1&page=2)
>
> (Note: the site this video is on contains Adult Material)
>

Oh man, that guy would be waking up with one hell of a headache...

trek_geezer wrote:

> To be honest the whole fist fight thing has always been a load
> of crap. I 've seen grown men fight and guess what they pull
> hair, gouge eyes, bite, kick, hang on to each other, and roll
> around a lot.
>
> I always liked the single punch to the jaw putting someone out
> too
>

The thing I liked about the Roddy Piper/ Keith David fight was that it was more realistic than most fights... people are trying to see who can dominate who, not provide a bit of entertainment for the audience. In real life, you get in long, drawn out fights until one of the combatants is too tired to go on, someone gets seriously injured, or an outside group arrives to break it up.

And nobody, NOBODY gets knocked out with one punch. Mike Tyson is the only person I would even remotely hold out the possibility of knocking someone out with just one punch... but I seriously doubt that would be his method of choice... especially if he's hungry...

"And nobody, NOBODY gets knocked out with one punch. "

You must never watch kick boxing or any of the pay-per-view combat events. I don't watch them anymore but I will say that I sure did see numerous times where people were flattened with a well placed hit.

From the videos I've seen of live (real street) fights, most don't last that long.  If one of the fighters has any training in MA, then it's usually pretty short

Ah, the Quiet Man.  I'm not sure as to the length but I'd certainly say it covers more terrain than any fight short of the Arnie vs Predator fight in Predator.

I'd have to say it us one of my favourite John Wayne movies

odinn7 wrote:

> "And nobody, NOBODY gets knocked out with one punch. "
>
> You must never watch kick boxing or any of the pay-per-view
> combat events. I don't watch them anymore but I will say that I
> sure did see numerous times where people were flattened with a
> well placed hit.
>

Perhaps I spoke too soon, but in all fairness, a kick isn't a punch. Both are striking blows, but kicks are much more powerful for a variety of reasons. And, if you're sure someone was knocked out with one punch, tell me who, when and where you saw it. I'm not afraid to be wrong, even "you look stupid" wrong.

once I tried on a pair of boxing gloves to see if they actually hurt when the made contact and punched my self in the face and almost knocked myself out, and it wasn't even a big punch.

I'm pretty sure Bruce Lee could have knocked someone out with a single punch. Damn was that guy tough!

I havn't seen it but that doesn't mean that some one else didn't see it happen. He was in a lot of fights.

What this? The hero ,plus sidekick or heroine, is surrounded by his enemies. Behind him is a cliff or raging river. Since the hero knows there is not much of a chance at him defeating all the bad guys he dives into the river/jumps into the waterfall.

I think that was quite common back then but is it still today?

A lot of western people really did pistol whip people.  They didn't want to kill people if they could help it - death just meant more trouble for the town when his friends wanted revenge.  Of course, this certainly could cause serious injury - but likely not as serious as shooting them.

"To be honest the whole fist fight thing has always been a load of crap. I 've seen grown men fight and guess what they pull hair, gouge eyes, bite, kick, hang on to each other, and roll around a lot. "

Depends on why they're fighting from what I've seen, but yeah.  You might like the fights in A History of Violence...  Generally believable ways of very quickly winning fights (and, of course, finesse and grace are not involved).  I always like in movies how they let people stand up again in the middle of fights, even when they're trying to flat out kill each other.  If you want to see the opposite...  Violence is the film.  Having someone stomp your throat while you're on the ground SUCKS.

One thing I've noticed people don't do much in films anymore is hold their revolvers right next to their body (think Rick in Casablanca at the end).  They hold them out much more, in a generally more believable stance, in most movies coming out now.

Ok, in all fairness, I can't name names or dates. I know I've seen it as I used to be heavy into the UFC events, K1, Muay Thai Kickboxing, ISKA Kickboxing and all the other martial arts type events that were out there back in the early to mid 90's. Granted, many one hit knock outs were with a well placed kick but I swear I saw quite a few where a guy just came in and walked into a punch and went down.  As a matter of fact, I recall one of the first UFC events I watched, there was this huge guy that used grappling style. He was matched up against this tiny guy that had some kind of martial arts style. We all figured the little guy would be done in no time...well, he was but not the way we expected. They circled each other a little bit, the big guy came in and tried to grab the little guy and he caught a swinging backfist in the face that knocked him down. Whether or not he was actually out at that point is debateable but he didn't move and the little guy jumped on him and pounded his face until they stopped it. Obviously he was used to practicing with gloves on because he broke his hand on the big guys face and was unable to continue further in the event. As I said, I swear I've seen it but I can't give you names or specific examples. I used to watch all those shows until the UFC started looking like WWE wrestling with all it's ridiculous hype and the prices for these events started becoming outrageous. ESPN used to carry some ISKA events but now they only seem to carry the display type events once in a while and those are a year or more old. Anyway, I will concede here since I have no real proof other than what my often faulty mind can recall.

You'll see one punch or kick knocking out people numerous times in fighting like ufc, pride etc. I don't even watch that stuff often but I've seen it enough to have witnessed it a couple of times.

I know this is an old thread but the idea of the 'karate chop' to theneck is technically known as a "brachial plexus origin stun" and you can see a video of it being used in action as well as a discussion of how to perform it and how/why it works in this discussion on MartialTalk

brachial plexus origin stun (http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=448757)

Yes, with the right shot and a little luck and a lot of skill you can take someone down with one shot



Post Edited (10-30-05 10:13)

Somebody mentioned the two handed 'Star Trek chop' that Kirk was so famous for.  Kurt Russell uses it in the final fight scene in 'Soldier'.